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| jsgotangco | clear | 08:49 |
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| jsgotangco | ls | 08:49 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 08:49 |
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| Lord_Athur | hi all | 07:57 |
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| atie | hello | 08:41 |
| raphink | hi atie | 08:44 |
| atie | raphink, hi | 08:44 |
| LaserJock | hi raphink | 08:45 |
| raphink | hi LaserJock <>< | 08:45 |
| raphink | how are you today LaserJock ? | 08:46 |
| LaserJock | oh, I'm alright. I thought I would miss the TB meeting because of a real life meeting but the real life meeting didn't happen so I'm here | 08:47 |
| raphink | I thought you were applying for dev tonight LaserJock ? | 08:47 |
| raphink | yet I don't see you in the list LaserJock | 08:48 |
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| mjg59 | mdz: I believe Kinnison may have gone out for the evening | 08:59 |
| mdz | mjg59: that would be a very unfortunate choice | 09:00 |
| ogra | he wanted to celebrate valentine ... | 09:01 |
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| mdz | good morning everyone | 09:01 |
| jpatrick | good evening | 09:01 |
| sivang | morning mdz | 09:01 |
| raphink | hi mdz | 09:01 |
| mdz | tech board meeting starts now, agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda | 09:01 |
| raphink | mdz: Tonio (Anthony Mercatante) might be a bit late | 09:01 |
| ogra | evening | 09:01 |
| raphink | yop ogra | 09:02 |
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| mdz | I don't think we have any core developer candidates to process; the pending memberships in launchpad (apart from Kinnison, who isn't present) are invalid | 09:02 |
| mjg59 | mdz: Is it possible to process kinnison in his absence? | 09:03 |
| mdz | mjg59: I suppose so, if we both agree | 09:04 |
| ogra | i sponsored an upload for him today if thats worth something | 09:04 |
| raphink | that would be a great surprise for him :) | 09:04 |
| ogra | and he wants to grab gnome-powermanager, its would be helpful if he could upload | 09:04 |
| mjg59 | He's been an active Debian developer, and we're now entirely dependent on infrastructure he helped implement | 09:04 |
| mdz | we're fairly well acquainted at this point | 09:05 |
| mjg59 | I'm inclined to say that he'd be a valuable and competent member of the team | 09:05 |
| mdz | I spent the better part of a week working with him on soyuz | 09:05 |
| mdz | mjg59: what did you sponsor? | 09:06 |
| mjg59 | mdz: I haven't sponsored any of his uploads as yet, but I've been working with him on g-p-m | 09:06 |
| ogra | mdz, i did ... | 09:06 |
| mdz | I am somewhat concerned by the fact that he seems to like lua | 09:06 |
| ogra | mdz, g-p-m | 09:06 |
| sivang | mdz: ?? :) | 09:06 |
| mdz | the humour-impaired may disregard my last statement | 09:07 |
| sivang | hehe | 09:07 |
| mjg59 | mdz: Oh, christ, yes. | 09:07 |
| sivang | I doublechecked :) | 09:07 |
| mjg59 | But anyway, +1 from me. | 09:07 |
| elmo | he doesn't just like it, he packages it | 09:07 |
| ogra | mdz, he fixed a sabdfl bug :) #29881 ... so the lid -> lock screen stuff is done as well ;) | 09:07 |
| mjg59 | (Unless anyone has any objections) | 09:07 |
| mdz | mjg59: has he maintained non-lua packages in the past? | 09:07 |
| === sivang cheers for Kinnison in his absence. | ||
| elmo | I object on the basis that perpuating lua is a crime against humanity | 09:07 |
| sivang | and what about Arannah? | 09:08 |
| sivang | elmo: LOL | 09:08 |
| mdz | I don't nkow who Arannah is | 09:08 |
| mdz | know | 09:08 |
| sivang | not who, | 09:08 |
| sivang | what | 09:08 |
| sivang | ah ops | 09:08 |
| sivang | disregard that. | 09:09 |
| dholbach | i think he was in the uploaders list of dbus | 09:09 |
| mjg59 | Yes, he used to work on dbus (with Daniels) | 09:09 |
| mdz | oh how confusing | 09:09 |
| mjg59 | Having lost a Daniel, I feel we need to compensate by adding another | 09:10 |
| mdz | anyway, there is precedent for both considering someone in absence if we have sufficient first-hand experience with them, and for 50% quorum | 09:10 |
| mdz | so I think we can vote | 09:10 |
| ogra | yay | 09:10 |
| mdz | s/I think // | 09:10 |
| sivang | yay | 09:10 |
| mjg59 | +1 from me | 09:11 |
| mdz | +1 with intentions to have a serious talk with him about this lua business | 09:11 |
| mjg59 | And the beard | 09:11 |
| ogra | haha | 09:12 |
| sivang | mdz: given you just said that, note http://www.digital-scurf.org/software/aranha | 09:12 |
| mdz | mjg59: will you communicate the decision to him? | 09:12 |
| mjg59 | mdz: Yup | 09:12 |
| mdz | thanks | 09:12 |
| mdz | I've twiddled the launchpad bits | 09:12 |
| mdz | so in theory he should have upload privileges effective immediately | 09:13 |
| ogra | note that he's on ubuntu-dev as well ... | 09:13 |
| mjg59 | Ok. Next set of people? | 09:13 |
| mdz | yes, that is obsolete | 09:13 |
| mdz | the motu applicant list is sort of a mess | 09:13 |
| ogra | yup | 09:13 |
| dholbach | mdz: Sorry, I'll mail the guys and report back ASAP. | 09:14 |
| mdz | dholbach: thanks | 09:14 |
| dholbach | (note the capital letters) | 09:14 |
| mdz | dholbach: would you be sure to do that before each meeting? | 09:14 |
| mdz | I can process any improper applications which should be declined for you | 09:14 |
| dholbach | Yes. | 09:15 |
| mdz | quickly, is there anyone here in regard to a MOTU application? | 09:15 |
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| Tonio_ | hi everyone | 09:15 |
| LaserJock | mdz: I'm Jordan Mantha | 09:15 |
| dholbach | hi Tonio_ | 09:15 |
| mdz | ok, that's two | 09:15 |
| === jpatrick is Jonathan Patrick Davies | ||
| mdz | 3 | 09:16 |
| raphink | hi Tonio_ | 09:16 |
| raphink | :) | 09:16 |
| === Tonio_ is Anthony Mercatante | ||
| mdz | Ivailo Ivanov? | 09:16 |
| mdz | freeflying? | 09:16 |
| mdz | ok | 09:16 |
| jpatrick | not here | 09:16 |
| mdz | Tonio_ is first up, then | 09:17 |
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| mdz | Tonio_: so it looks like you're interested in KDE? | 09:17 |
| Tonio_ | mdz: absolutly ;) | 09:18 |
| mdz | who has been sponsoring your uploads? Riddell? | 09:18 |
| Tonio_ | mostly Riddell, but since he is MOTU, raphink uploaded many too | 09:18 |
| raphink | quite a bit recently yes | 09:18 |
| mdz | is Riddell here? | 09:18 |
| jpatrick | was a minute ago | 09:18 |
| Riddell | I am | 09:19 |
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| mdz | Riddell: any comments? | 09:19 |
| raphink | mdz: Tonio_ has been a very active Kubuntu developer for a long time | 09:19 |
| Riddell | was politely waiting for Tonio_'s 3 line introduction.. | 09:19 |
| dholbach | me too | 09:19 |
| Riddell | but I fully support Tonio_'s membership of ubuntu-dev | 09:19 |
| raphink | mdz: I have to confess he was the one introducing me to Ubuntu packages :) | 09:19 |
| mdz | I am satisfied with his wiki page intro | 09:19 |
| Tonio_ | I'm really sorry, but I didn't have the time to prepare a little text instroducing me... | 09:19 |
| mjg59 | Tonio_: No problem | 09:19 |
| Riddell | he's a good packager and fixed some bugs too like the bluez pin issue we found recently | 09:20 |
| mdz | Riddell: can you provide any specific feedback on his packaging work, especially that done under your sponsorship? | 09:20 |
| mdz | Riddell: you reviewed his uploads carefully? | 09:20 |
| raphink | Tonio_ has been working on kubuntu default settings lately | 09:20 |
| Riddell | mdz: yes, I've sponsored a number of his uploads, there's usually minimal problems with them | 09:20 |
| mdz | Riddell: can you give us an example of a problem and how it was resolved? | 09:21 |
| dholbach | I reviewed a huge bunch of Tonio_ and he's been there for months, improving them on my requests and adding even more packages. He follows up quickly and I'm happy with this packaging skills. | 09:21 |
| raphink | dholbach: + :) | 09:21 |
| ogra | additionally he seems to be a good guy to help newcomers in #ubuntu-motu | 09:21 |
| ogra | i saw him often help out on questions ... | 09:22 |
| Riddell | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1145 random example, mateedit, needed to tidy upstream tar file and I'm usually quite strict in asking for patch names to be in changelogs | 09:22 |
| mdz | Riddell: so you suggested those corrections and he made them? | 09:23 |
| raphink | mdz: Tonio_ considers all corrections to packages on REVU | 09:23 |
| Riddell | mdz: yes | 09:23 |
| raphink | mdz: and is eager to defend his technical choices when a MOTU is wrong on a comment, too | 09:23 |
| mdz | Tonio_: you mention the laptop team on your web page; have you worked with mjg59 on any projects there? | 09:25 |
| mjg59 | Not as yet | 09:25 |
| mdz | oh, I see, that's a future interest | 09:25 |
| mjg59 | Though it would be good - KDE's lacking some love compared to Gnome | 09:25 |
| Tonio_ | mdz: I must say not at the moment, cause I never found any problems with my laptop right now, but it is something I would like to find the to do | 09:26 |
| mdz | Tonio_: can you tell us about your plans for laptop team participation? | 09:26 |
| ogra | someone needs to rewrite g-p-m for kde :) | 09:26 |
| ogra | (probably a bit late for dapper ) | 09:26 |
| sivang | ogra: wait until it's better in dapper for gnome :) | 09:26 |
| Riddell | ogra: (I'm in contact with the kpowersave developers about improvements I'd like to have matched funcationality) | 09:26 |
| ogra | sivang, it already is | 09:26 |
| ogra | Riddell, ++ | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | mdz: my plans are limited I must say | 09:27 |
| mdz | Tonio_: what do you think could be done to improve laptop/power management integration in KDE? | 09:27 |
| ogra | sivang, now that Kinnison cares actively for it :) | 09:27 |
| sivang | ogra: rock :) | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | I don't have many laptops, just one, so unsuring that the compatibility with that specific model is okay, and certainly adding an entry on the wiki | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | but that is quite limited, indeed | 09:28 |
| mjg59 | Tonio_: Would you be interested in working on more general support, even if you can't test it all? | 09:28 |
| raphink | I think Tonio_ 's main interest in really Kubuntu right now | 09:28 |
| raphink | s/in/is/ | 09:29 |
| mdz | raphink: he can speak to his own interests, surely | 09:29 |
| Tonio_ | mjg59: that could be interesting, although there are software dedicated to laptops that could/should be integrated | 09:29 |
| raphink | sure mdz :) | 09:29 |
| ogra | raphink, kubuntu needs powermanagement help and i guess Riddell would be happy if someone can help out | 09:29 |
| Tonio_ | I discussed on powersave with riddell recently about that | 09:29 |
| mjg59 | Tonio_: Ok, cool | 09:29 |
| mjg59 | Tonio_: Unrelatedly, have any of the tools you've packaged been uploaded to Debian since you first packaged them? | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | but has raphink was saying, my main priority is more kubuntu than anything else, and if specific things can be done for kubuntu on the laptop part, I would take pleasure wokirng on it | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | mjd59, I didn't personally performed the debian submission, but I know certain packages have been included to debian by the utnubu team | 09:31 |
| mjg59 | Tonio_: Once that happens, do you continue packaging new upstream releases or do you start syncing from Debian? | 09:32 |
| Tonio_ | generally, when a package gets into debian, and that I am not the maintainer, I don't continue the packaging stuff | 09:32 |
| Tonio_ | ubutu's main purpose is to be synched to debian, I think | 09:33 |
| Tonio_ | but if the debian package is the one I did for ubuntu, I continue maintaining it, of course | 09:33 |
| Tonio_ | packaging an application isn't a "one time" stuff | 09:33 |
| mjg59 | Tonio_: Ok, cool | 09:34 |
| mdz | Tonio_: Ubuntu's _main_ purpose is to be a high-quality free operating system, though coordinating with our upstreams is also important ;-) | 09:35 |
| mdz | mjg59: I'm finished, you? | 09:35 |
| Tonio_ | mdz: sure ;) | 09:35 |
| mjg59 | mdz: I think so | 09:36 |
| mdz | ok, votes | 09:36 |
| mdz | +1, based on positive feedback from existing motu and core developers and a substantial history of packaging contributions | 09:37 |
| sivang | phew, /me thought MOTU applications just got alot harder :) | 09:38 |
| mjg59 | +1 for me | 09:38 |
| raphink | sivang: indeed ;) | 09:38 |
| mdz | Tonio_: congratulations and welcome | 09:38 |
| sivang | raphink: this is for main right? | 09:38 |
| ogra | sivang, we're still waiting for you :) | 09:38 |
| raphink | welcome aboard Tonio_ :) | 09:38 |
| raphink | sivang: not even ;) | 09:38 |
| ogra | welcome Tonio_ ! | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | thanks very much ! | 09:38 |
| ogra | next ? | 09:39 |
| dholbach | congratulations Tonio_! | 09:39 |
| allee | Tonio_: congrats | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | I hope not to deceive you | 09:39 |
| mdz | jpatrick: you're next; would you like to introduce yourself? | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | allee: thanks :) | 09:39 |
| jpatrick | Yes, thank you I wrote sometime up | 09:39 |
| mdz | your wiki page is informative, but feel free to summarize here | 09:39 |
| jpatrick | I started MOTU and packaging things when people started asking for packages at the Kubuntu Forums about five months ago, that's when I decided to give it a try. My work can be found at my wikipage ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PatrickDavies ). While doing my first packages, I discovered REVU and started helping out, I've placed some notes on the KubuntuPackagingGuide at the wiki. I only did a few merges (kmymoney2 and kxdock | 09:39 |
| jpatrick | lp people on #ubuntu-motu by reviewing their packages on IRC (with no power to upload or advocate on REVU (kblogger for example)). I plan to help out with MOTU KDE/Kubuntu (most of my packages begin with the letter K). | 09:39 |
| mdz | jpatrick: it looks like your message was truncated | 09:40 |
| mdz | I received: | 09:40 |
| mdz | I only did a few merges (kmymoney2 and kxdoc | 09:40 |
| mdz | <jpatrick> lp people on #ubuntu-motu | 09:40 |
| ogra | yeah, the mid part ... | 09:40 |
| mdz | (nothing between) | 09:40 |
| jpatrick | sorry, one second | 09:41 |
| jpatrick | I started MOTU and packaging things when people started asking for packages at the Kubuntu Forums about five months ago, that's when I decided to give it a try. My work can be found at my wikipage ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PatrickDavies ). | 09:41 |
| jpatrick | While doing my first packages, I discovered REVU and started helping out, I've placed some notes on the KubuntuPackagingGuide at the wiki. I only did a few merges (kmymoney2 and kxdocker, I think). I helped fix a YaKuake bug sometime ago. | 09:41 |
| jpatrick | I help people on #ubuntu-motu by reviewing their packages on IRC (with no power to upload or advocate on REVU (kblogger for example)). I plan to help out with MOTU KDE/Kubuntu (most of my packages begin with the letter K). | 09:41 |
| dholbach | jpatrick: are you an Ubuntu member already? | 09:42 |
| jpatrick | dholbach: yes | 09:42 |
| mdz | jpatrick: who has been sponsoring your work so far? | 09:42 |
| dholbach | Ok. | 09:42 |
| jpatrick | mdz: Riddell's done all my uploads | 09:42 |
| mjg59 | Riddell: How do you feel about the quality of the packages? | 09:42 |
| Riddell | mjg59: his packages often need some work, but he's very responsive to fixing any problems | 09:43 |
| mdz | Riddell,jpatrick: I wasn't aware of KubuntuPackagingGuide until now; how did it originate? | 09:44 |
| raphink | jpatrick is quite active in Ubuntu, and learns fast | 09:44 |
| jpatrick | mdz: was created some time ago to help get people packaging | 09:45 |
| mdz | jpatrick: by whom? | 09:45 |
| raphink | mdz: I think JRE created it | 09:45 |
| allee | JRe | 09:45 |
| jpatrick | mdz: Riddell, JRe | 09:45 |
| Riddell | it was JRe I think | 09:45 |
| raphink | :) | 09:45 |
| ogra | is JRe still active ? havent seen him for a while | 09:46 |
| raphink | and JRe is not even here ;) | 09:46 |
| mjg59 | Well, consistency is good :) | 09:46 |
| jpatrick | ogra: he's mostly doing KDE work | 09:46 |
| raphink | ogra: yes he's active | 09:46 |
| ogra | ah | 09:46 |
| Riddell | ogra: he's very active, e.g. just wrote Keep as a new backup tool for Kubuntu | 09:46 |
| raphink | ogra: JRe is busy on keep and katapult lately ;) | 09:46 |
| mdz | jpatrick: which of the packages on your page did you create based on upstream software, and which are packages you contributed changes to? | 09:46 |
| ogra | oh, cool | 09:46 |
| jpatrick | mdz: only packages I've done from scracth is ksplash-engine-moodin | 09:48 |
| jpatrick | and kcontrol-kdetheme | 09:48 |
| raphink | jpatrick: where did others come from? | 09:48 |
| jpatrick | raphink: they were built up from Debian/Ubuntu files with new upstream releases | 09:49 |
| mdz | is there anyone else present who has first-hand experience working with jpatrick who would like to speak? | 09:52 |
| raphink | well if I might add something to that | 09:52 |
| jpatrick | allee has been helping me with kmplayer | 09:52 |
| raphink | I'd say I've seen the quality of his packages improve on REVU | 09:52 |
| raphink | although sometimes more checks would be nicer | 09:52 |
| raphink | but overall it ends up in pretty good stuff :) | 09:53 |
| mdz | is there any way to get a history of all REVU activity for a particular user? | 09:53 |
| mdz | that would be useful | 09:53 |
| raphink | indeed | 09:53 |
| raphink | mdz: grepping the motu-reviewers mailing list might help | 09:53 |
| ogra | mdz, afaik thats planned for revu2 ... it was in the spec at ubz iirc | 09:54 |
| mdz | I see | 09:54 |
| mdz | jpatrick: what do you like most about working with the MOTU team? | 09:55 |
| atie | I'd hope to see what mdz saying from launchpad | 09:55 |
| dholbach | http://tauware.de/pipermail/motu-reviewers (unfortunately it doesn't have people in the message subjects) | 09:56 |
| mdz | dholbach: any particular reason why that list isn't on lists.ubuntu.com? | 09:56 |
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| dholbach | mdz: siretart and sistpoty set it up as a quick solution (until revu2 was there) | 09:56 |
| jpatrick | mdz: to be honest I'm not too sure | 09:56 |
| mdz | jpatrick: well, why do you do it? ;-) | 09:57 |
| jpatrick | mdz: I like the feeling of helping out and developing | 09:57 |
| mdz | jpatrick: based on your experience, do you have any ideas about how the team could work more effectively? | 09:58 |
| jpatrick | mdz: more revu-ing on KDE packages | 09:59 |
| mjg59 | Heh | 09:59 |
| mjg59 | jpatrick: Do you feel that KDE packages are held to the same standards as Gnome ones right now? | 09:59 |
| mdz | jpatrick: meaning what? there aren't enough reviewers to keep up with packages needing review? | 09:59 |
| jpatrick | mdz: only Riddell and raphink really do KDE revu | 10:00 |
| jpatrick | mjg59: yes | 10:00 |
| mdz | I think the best solution to that is to recruit more KDE contributors, who will gain experience and participate in review | 10:00 |
| mdz | fortunately there seems to be strong interest in this area recently ;-) | 10:01 |
| jpatrick | :) | 10:01 |
| atie | mdz, yes users love kubuntu too. | 10:01 |
| allee | jpatrick: if non motu could comment on revu, it would be better ;) | 10:02 |
| raphink | allee: you can send your comments to MOTUs, they will sponsor them | 10:02 |
| ogra | allee, that could quickly get messy ... | 10:02 |
| ogra | the way raphink describes leaves at least some control | 10:02 |
| mdz | I don't see any reason why non-motu shouldn't be able to comment, so long as it was clear from the comment whether the person is a registered developer or not | 10:03 |
| allee | ogra: sending e-mails or irc is not better (btw. siretart said it on revu2 list) | 10:03 |
| Tonio_ | raphink, although it is an exception, was commenting on REVU before beeing MOTU | 10:04 |
| ogra | allee, afaik revu2 is planned to be included into launchpad ... there we have account management etc ... | 10:04 |
| mdz | ok, we're getting a bit sidetracked into REVU discussion | 10:04 |
| ogra | yup... | 10:04 |
| ogra | and we already met the 1h mark | 10:05 |
| mdz | jpatrick: can you tell us a bit about kubuntu-es.org and your goals there? | 10:05 |
| jpatrick | mdz: first thing is get the site back and try to encourage the kubuntu spanish community to do some contributions :) | 10:06 |
| mjg59 | jpatrick: Is there a strong Spanish KDE community? | 10:08 |
| jpatrick | mjg59: yes | 10:08 |
| mdz | jpatrick: how can we encourage more developer interest in that community? | 10:08 |
| jpatrick | might be going to aKademy-es | 10:08 |
| jpatrick | I could translate the MOTU guides for packagers, etc | 10:09 |
| mjg59 | jpatrick: What distributions are currently popular in Spain? | 10:10 |
| mjg59 | (Especially KDE based ones) | 10:10 |
| jpatrick | I know some OpenSuse users and there's a crowd that's always in #kubuntu-es | 10:11 |
| mjg59 | jpatrick: So, how do you think we can get hold of all the OpenSuse users? :) | 10:11 |
| jpatrick | mjg59: the one i know used Kubuntu | 10:11 |
| mjg59 | jpatrick: Heh | 10:11 |
| mdz | jpatrick: does opensuse offer particular advantages to the Spanish community? | 10:12 |
| jpatrick | not that I know of :) | 10:12 |
| mjg59 | jpatrick: What sort of community contributions do you envisage? | 10:13 |
| jpatrick | envisage? | 10:14 |
| mjg59 | Imagine in the future | 10:14 |
| jpatrick | Translations, more packages and maybe more support at the forums | 10:15 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 10:15 |
| jpatrick | and some coding for Kubuntu express maybe | 10:15 |
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| Riddell | and want to help with kubuntu express | 10:15 |
| mjg59 | Riddell: Good news | 10:16 |
| mjg59 | jpatrick: So do you feel happy with your packages being used by (potentially) millions of people? | 10:16 |
| jpatrick | mjg59: I feel happy that they're happy :) | 10:16 |
| mdz | we need to move on, any further questions? | 10:17 |
| mjg59 | I think I'm ok. | 10:17 |
| jpatrick | without having to compile the programs (which sometimes problems.) | 10:17 |
| mdz | ok, votes | 10:18 |
| mdz | +1 based on positive feedback on contributions to packages and developer resources | 10:19 |
| mjg59 | +1 for me, though with faint concern over package quality in the past | 10:20 |
| mjg59 | But it sounds like you're dealing with that, so no problem | 10:20 |
| mdz | jpatrick: it wouldn't hurt to continue to participate in package reviews | 10:20 |
| jpatrick | yes, I plan to help the kde packages :) | 10:20 |
| mdz | extra eyes are always a good idea even for experienced developers | 10:20 |
| mdz | jpatrick: anyway, congratulations | 10:20 |
| jpatrick | thanks | 10:21 |
| Riddell | I hope he'll revu lots more in future, Tonio_ too :) | 10:21 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: congrats ;) | 10:21 |
| ogra | congrats jpatrick | 10:21 |
| allee | congrats jpatrick | 10:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's on my plans ;) | 10:21 |
| sivang | congrets jpatrick | 10:21 |
| dholbach | congratulations jpatrick | 10:21 |
| raphink | congratulations jpatrick :) | 10:21 |
| dholbach | !!!REVU DAY TOMORROW!!! | 10:21 |
| raphink | welcome aboard :) | 10:21 |
| jpatrick | thanks everyone :) | 10:21 |
| dholbach | :-) | 10:21 |
| raphink | dholbach: yeah :) | 10:21 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: I'll be there ;) | 10:21 |
| jpatrick | count me in! | 10:22 |
| dholbach | ROCK! :) | 10:22 |
| Kyral | hmm REVU Day tomorrow..I should get a package uploaded soon then... | 10:22 |
| mdz | LaserJock: you're up | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | mdz: thanks | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | I'm a PhD physical chemistry student that has been hanging out with the MOTU since about August. I am very interested in both good documentation for MOTUs and wannabes and also looking after science related packages in Universe. | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | I am a member of the documentation team and am the lead writer of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide (very alpha at this point, but should be ready for Dapper). | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | I also started the MOTU Science team to try focus some effort on science related packages in Universe. I broadly define science related as packages in the math, science, and tex sections. About 450 source packages in all. | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Science | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | sorry if that is a little too much | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | also, dholbach did an interview of me for the MOTU report at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-February/015279.html | 10:24 |
| mjg59 | LaserJock: So what have you been packaging so far? | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | mjg59: I package plotdrop (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1344) from scratch and it is now in Debian and I also took over a Debian ITP for gausssum and it is now in unstable | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | I did ~ 10 merges for dapper and a few for Breezy | 10:25 |
| mjg59 | LaserJock: Excellent | 10:25 |
| mjg59 | Who's sponsored your uploads? | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | I'm starting a run through the science related packages | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | crismun, \sh, and bddebian (for breezy) are my main sponsors but they don't seem to be available | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | azeem is my debian sponsor | 10:26 |
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| LaserJock | I haven't had any complaints so far about my packaging. All of my merges were accepted without changes | 10:26 |
| ogra_ibook | grmbl | 10:26 |
| Riddell | LaserJock: have you looked at the KubuntuPackagingGuide page mentioned earlier? can it be merged into the Ubuntu Packaging Guide? | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | Riddell: yes, I have a section outlined for it | 10:27 |
| mjg59 | LaserJock: Scientific programs are often licensed under bizarre non-free licenses. How's your legalese? | 10:27 |
| mdz | LaserJock: it helps us a lot to hear from people who have reviewed your packages first-hand | 10:27 |
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| mdz | since we don't have time to do such a comprehensive review during the meeting | 10:27 |
| azeem | the package I sponsored was well done, albeit not extremely difficult either. | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | mdz: I understand | 10:27 |
| mdz | LaserJock: do you think you could arrange for them to attend the next meeting, or perhaps send us some email with their thoughts? | 10:28 |
| azeem | I am very impressed by LJ's pursuit for MOTUScience and working together with Debian | 10:28 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock has been around for a long time, and often hangs around in -motu... his packaging skills (to what I've seen) are good | 10:28 |
| raphink | :) | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | mjg59: my leagalese isn't great but I've had to deal with some over in the doc team. Science packages are tought that way. debian-science is working on form emails for asking upstream for better licenses | 10:28 |
| jjesse | and he is doing a great job on the packagin guide along with contrib to other doc team stuff | 10:28 |
| raphink | LaserJock is often around, he's helpful and makes good packages :) | 10:29 |
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| mjg59 | LaserJock: That sounds extremely worthwhile | 10:29 |
| sivang | s/pleases/pleased/ | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | I'm working on good relations with debian-science | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | I somewhat naively sent an email about MOTU Science. | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | I got a lot of good feedback with some not-so-welcom feedback as well | 10:30 |
| mdz | sistpoty,raphink: have either of you sponsored his uploads? | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | but I was able to show the DDs what I was up to and satisfied most | 10:30 |
| raphink | mdz: no, I've reviewed some of his packages iirc, but never sponsored any | 10:31 |
| dholbach | I can't remember, if I looked at any. | 10:31 |
| sistpoty | mdz: no, I didn't sponsor any packages either, at least not that I could remember | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | I really wish crimsun could have made it | 10:32 |
| mdz | LaserJock: would you mind deferring to the next meeting? we've run a bit long, and it would be beneficial for your sponsors to attend | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | mdz: I don't mind | 10:32 |
| mdz | LaserJock: I appreciate it | 10:33 |
| mdz | is freeflying here? | 10:33 |
| mdz | he proposed a discussion item | 10:33 |
| mdz | but I don't think he's here | 10:33 |
| atie | mdz, he isn't here | 10:33 |
| atie | mdz, but I can speak up for the item. | 10:34 |
| jpatrick | mdz: he is sleeping | 10:34 |
| atie | and ok with next meeting too | 10:34 |
| mdz | atie: if we could defer, so that freeflying can participate and we have more time, that would be good | 10:34 |
| mdz | atie: if it's urgent, feel free to send me mail and we can discuss that way as well | 10:34 |
| atie | mdz, no problem | 10:34 |
| mdz | atie: thanks, will you communicate that to freeflying as well? | 10:35 |
| atie | mdz, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterCJKSupportSpecification/FontConfig | 10:35 |
| mjg59 | atie: It would probably be helpful if it could be written up in a little more detail - I didn't get a good idea what the issue was from the thread | 10:35 |
| atie | mjg59, I agree. | 10:35 |
| atie | but can we make a channel with someone in core dev? | 10:35 |
| atie | to discuss detail before meeting | 10:36 |
| Riddell | freeflying said huahua would speak for it, I've just pinged him | 10:36 |
| mdz | atie: sure | 10:36 |
| mdz | atie: feel free to ping me anytime before the next meeting | 10:36 |
| atie | mdz, could you let me know whom? | 10:36 |
| atie | mdz, sure | 10:36 |
| mdz | atie: ok, thanks | 10:37 |
| mdz | I think we need to adjourn | 10:37 |
| mdz | please mail me about anything which can't wait until the next meeting | 10:37 |
| mdz | thanks, everyone | 10:37 |
| sistpoty | just a quick question (in case anyone knows right here): is it possible to have all packages in universe test-rebuilt like we had it for breezy? | 10:38 |
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| atie | bye everyone. Congrate you Tonio_ and jpatrick ! | 10:39 |
| jpatrick | atie: bye and thanks :) | 10:39 |
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| Tonio_ | too late.... | 10:41 |
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| jpatrick | Tonio_: another temps | 10:42 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: ;) | 10:42 |
| Tonio_ | thanks everyone, bye | 10:43 |
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| jpatrick | Good night everyone and thanks | 10:55 |
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