[08:49] <jsgotangco> clear
[08:49] <jsgotangco> ls
[08:49] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:57] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[08:41] <atie> hello
[08:44] <raphink> hi atie 
[08:44] <atie> raphink, hi
[08:45] <LaserJock> hi raphink
[08:45] <raphink> hi LaserJock <><
[08:46] <raphink> how are you today LaserJock ?
[08:47] <LaserJock> oh, I'm alright. I thought I would miss the TB meeting because of a real life meeting but the real life meeting didn't happen so I'm here
[08:47] <raphink> I thought you were applying for dev tonight LaserJock ?
[08:48] <raphink> yet I don't see you in the list LaserJock 
[08:59] <mjg59> mdz: I believe Kinnison may have gone out for the evening
[09:00] <mdz> mjg59: that would be a very unfortunate choice
[09:01] <ogra> he wanted to celebrate valentine ...
[09:01] <mdz> good morning everyone
[09:01] <jpatrick> good evening
[09:01] <sivang> morning mdz 
[09:01] <raphink> hi mdz 
[09:01] <mdz> tech board meeting starts now, agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[09:01] <raphink> mdz: Tonio (Anthony Mercatante) might be a bit late
[09:01] <ogra> evening
[09:02] <raphink> yop ogra 
[09:02] <mdz> I don't think we have any core developer candidates to process; the pending memberships in launchpad (apart from Kinnison, who isn't present) are invalid
[09:03] <mjg59> mdz: Is it possible to process kinnison in his absence?
[09:04] <mdz> mjg59: I suppose so, if we both agree
[09:04] <ogra> i sponsored an upload for him today if thats worth something 
[09:04] <raphink> that would be a great surprise for him :)
[09:04] <ogra> and he wants to grab gnome-powermanager, its would be helpful if he could upload
[09:04] <mjg59> He's been an active Debian developer, and we're now entirely dependent on infrastructure he helped implement
[09:05] <mdz> we're fairly well acquainted at this point
[09:05] <mjg59> I'm inclined to say that he'd be a valuable and competent member of the team
[09:05] <mdz> I spent the better part of a week working with him on soyuz
[09:06] <mdz> mjg59: what did you sponsor?
[09:06] <mjg59> mdz: I haven't sponsored any of his uploads as yet, but I've been working with him on g-p-m
[09:06] <ogra> mdz, i did ... 
[09:06] <mdz> I am somewhat concerned by the fact that he seems to like lua
[09:06] <ogra> mdz, g-p-m
[09:06] <sivang> mdz: ?? :)
[09:07] <mdz> the humour-impaired may disregard my last statement
[09:07] <sivang> hehe
[09:07] <mjg59> mdz: Oh, christ, yes.
[09:07] <sivang> I doublechecked :)
[09:07] <mjg59> But anyway, +1 from me.
[09:07] <elmo> he doesn't just like it, he packages it
[09:07] <ogra> mdz, he fixed a sabdfl bug :) #29881 ... so the lid -> lock screen stuff is done as well ;)
[09:07] <mjg59> (Unless anyone has any objections)
[09:07] <mdz> mjg59: has he maintained non-lua packages in the past?
[09:07] <elmo> I object on the basis that perpuating lua is a crime against humanity
[09:08] <sivang> and what about Arannah?
[09:08] <sivang> elmo: LOL
[09:08] <mdz> I don't nkow who Arannah is
[09:08] <mdz> know
[09:08] <sivang> not who, 
[09:08] <sivang> what
[09:08] <sivang> ah ops
[09:09] <sivang> disregard that. 
[09:09] <dholbach> i think he was in the uploaders list of dbus
[09:09] <mjg59> Yes, he used to work on dbus (with Daniels)
[09:09] <mdz> oh how confusing
[09:10] <mjg59> Having lost a Daniel, I feel we need to compensate by adding another
[09:10] <mdz> anyway, there is precedent for both considering someone in absence if we have sufficient first-hand experience with them, and for 50% quorum
[09:10] <mdz> so I think we can vote
[09:10] <ogra> yay
[09:10] <mdz> s/I think //
[09:10] <sivang> yay 
[09:11] <mjg59> +1 from me
[09:11] <mdz> +1 with intentions to have a serious talk with him about this lua business
[09:11] <mjg59> And the beard
[09:12] <ogra> haha
[09:12] <sivang> mdz: given you just said that, note http://www.digital-scurf.org/software/aranha
[09:12] <mdz> mjg59: will you communicate the decision to him?
[09:12] <mjg59> mdz: Yup
[09:12] <mdz> thanks
[09:12] <mdz> I've twiddled the launchpad bits
[09:13] <mdz> so in theory he should have upload privileges effective immediately
[09:13] <ogra> note that he's on ubuntu-dev as well ...
[09:13] <mjg59> Ok. Next set of people?
[09:13] <mdz> yes, that is obsolete
[09:13] <mdz> the motu applicant list is sort of a mess
[09:13] <ogra> yup
[09:14] <dholbach> mdz: Sorry, I'll mail the guys and report back ASAP.
[09:14] <mdz> dholbach: thanks
[09:14] <dholbach> (note the capital letters)
[09:14] <mdz> dholbach: would you be sure to do that before each meeting?
[09:14] <mdz> I can process any improper applications which should be declined for you
[09:15] <dholbach> Yes.
[09:15] <mdz> quickly, is there anyone here in regard to a MOTU application?
[09:15] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[09:15] <LaserJock> mdz: I'm Jordan Mantha
[09:15] <dholbach> hi Tonio_
[09:15] <mdz> ok, that's two
[09:16] <mdz> 3
[09:16] <raphink> hi Tonio_ 
[09:16] <raphink> :)
[09:16] <mdz> Ivailo Ivanov?
[09:16] <mdz> freeflying?
[09:16] <mdz> ok
[09:16] <jpatrick> not here
[09:17] <mdz> Tonio_ is first up, then
[09:17] <mdz> Tonio_: so it looks like you're interested in KDE?
[09:18] <Tonio_> mdz: absolutly ;)
[09:18] <mdz> who has been sponsoring your uploads?  Riddell?
[09:18] <Tonio_> mostly Riddell, but since he is MOTU, raphink uploaded many too
[09:18] <raphink> quite a bit recently yes
[09:18] <mdz> is Riddell here?
[09:18] <jpatrick> was a minute ago
[09:19] <Riddell> I am
[09:19] <mdz> Riddell: any comments?
[09:19] <raphink> mdz: Tonio_ has been a very active Kubuntu developer for a long time
[09:19] <Riddell> was politely waiting for Tonio_'s 3 line introduction..
[09:19] <dholbach> me too
[09:19] <Riddell> but I fully support Tonio_'s membership of ubuntu-dev
[09:19] <raphink> mdz: I have to confess he was the one introducing me to Ubuntu packages :)
[09:19] <mdz> I am satisfied with his wiki page intro
[09:19] <Tonio_> I'm really sorry, but I didn't have the time to prepare a little text instroducing me...
[09:19] <mjg59> Tonio_: No problem
[09:20] <Riddell> he's a good packager and fixed some bugs too like the bluez pin issue we found recently
[09:20] <mdz> Riddell: can you provide any specific feedback on his packaging work, especially that done under your sponsorship?
[09:20] <mdz> Riddell: you reviewed his uploads carefully?
[09:20] <raphink> Tonio_ has been working on kubuntu default settings lately
[09:20] <Riddell> mdz: yes, I've sponsored a number of his uploads, there's usually minimal problems with them
[09:21] <mdz> Riddell: can you give us an example of a problem and how it was resolved?
[09:21] <dholbach> I reviewed a huge bunch of Tonio_ and he's been there for months, improving them on my requests and adding even more packages. He follows up quickly and I'm happy with this packaging skills.
[09:21] <raphink> dholbach: + :)
[09:21] <ogra> additionally he seems to be a good guy to help newcomers in #ubuntu-motu
[09:22] <ogra> i saw him often help out on questions ...
[09:22] <Riddell> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1145  random example, mateedit, needed to tidy upstream tar file and I'm usually quite strict in asking for patch names to be in changelogs
[09:23] <mdz> Riddell: so you suggested those corrections and he made them?
[09:23] <raphink> mdz: Tonio_ considers all corrections to packages on REVU
[09:23] <Riddell> mdz: yes
[09:23] <raphink> mdz: and is eager to defend his technical choices when a MOTU is wrong on a comment, too
[09:25] <mdz> Tonio_: you mention the laptop team on your web page; have you worked with mjg59 on any projects there?
[09:25] <mjg59> Not as yet
[09:25] <mdz> oh, I see, that's a future interest
[09:25] <mjg59> Though it would be good - KDE's lacking some love compared to Gnome
[09:26] <Tonio_> mdz: I must say not at the moment, cause I never found any problems with my laptop right now, but it is something I would like to find the to do
[09:26] <mdz> Tonio_: can you tell us about your plans for laptop team participation?
[09:26] <ogra> someone needs to rewrite g-p-m for kde :)
[09:26] <ogra> (probably a bit late for dapper )
[09:26] <sivang> ogra: wait until it's better in dapper for gnome :)
[09:26] <Riddell> ogra: (I'm in contact with the kpowersave developers about improvements I'd like to have matched funcationality)
[09:26] <ogra> sivang, it already is
[09:27] <ogra> Riddell, ++
[09:27] <Tonio_> mdz: my plans are limited I must say
[09:27] <mdz> Tonio_: what do you think could be done to improve laptop/power management integration in KDE?
[09:27] <ogra> sivang, now that Kinnison cares actively for it :)
[09:27] <sivang> ogra: rock :)
[09:27] <Tonio_> I don't have many laptops, just one, so unsuring that the compatibility with that specific model is okay, and certainly adding an entry on the wiki
[09:28] <Tonio_> but that is quite limited, indeed
[09:28] <mjg59> Tonio_: Would you be interested in working on more general support, even if you can't test it all?
[09:28] <raphink> I think Tonio_ 's main interest in really Kubuntu right now 
[09:29] <raphink> s/in/is/
[09:29] <mdz> raphink: he can speak to his own interests, surely
[09:29] <Tonio_> mjg59: that could be interesting, although there are software dedicated to laptops that could/should be integrated
[09:29] <raphink> sure mdz :)
[09:29] <ogra> raphink, kubuntu needs powermanagement help and i guess Riddell would be happy if someone can help out
[09:29] <Tonio_> I discussed on powersave with riddell recently about that
[09:29] <mjg59> Tonio_: Ok, cool
[09:30] <mjg59> Tonio_: Unrelatedly, have any of the tools you've packaged been uploaded to Debian since you first packaged them?
[09:30] <Tonio_> but has raphink was saying, my main priority is more kubuntu than anything else, and if specific things can be done for kubuntu on the laptop part, I would take pleasure wokirng on it
[09:31] <Tonio_> mjd59, I didn't personally performed the debian submission, but I know certain packages have been included to debian by the utnubu team
[09:32] <mjg59> Tonio_: Once that happens, do you continue packaging new upstream releases or do you start syncing from Debian?
[09:32] <Tonio_> generally, when a package gets into debian, and that I am not the maintainer, I don't continue the packaging stuff
[09:33] <Tonio_> ubutu's main purpose is to be synched to debian, I think
[09:33] <Tonio_> but if the debian package is the one I did for ubuntu, I continue maintaining it, of course
[09:33] <Tonio_> packaging an application isn't a "one time" stuff
[09:34] <mjg59> Tonio_: Ok, cool
[09:35] <mdz> Tonio_: Ubuntu's _main_ purpose is to be a high-quality free operating system, though coordinating with our upstreams is also important ;-)
[09:35] <mdz> mjg59: I'm finished, you?
[09:35] <Tonio_> mdz: sure ;)
[09:36] <mjg59> mdz: I think so
[09:36] <mdz> ok, votes
[09:37] <mdz> +1, based on positive feedback from existing motu and core developers and a substantial history of packaging contributions
[09:38] <sivang> phew, /me thought MOTU applications just got alot harder :)
[09:38] <mjg59> +1 for me
[09:38] <raphink> sivang: indeed ;)
[09:38] <mdz> Tonio_: congratulations and welcome
[09:38] <sivang> raphink: this is for main right?
[09:38] <ogra> sivang, we're still waiting for you :)
[09:38] <raphink> welcome aboard Tonio_ :)
[09:38] <raphink> sivang: not even ;)
[09:38] <ogra> welcome Tonio_ !
[09:38] <Tonio_> thanks very much !
[09:39] <ogra> next ? 
[09:39] <dholbach> congratulations Tonio_!
[09:39] <allee> Tonio_: congrats
[09:39] <Tonio_> I hope not to deceive you
[09:39] <mdz> jpatrick: you're next; would you like to introduce yourself?
[09:39] <Tonio_> allee: thanks :)
[09:39] <jpatrick> Yes, thank you I wrote sometime up
[09:39] <mdz> your wiki page is informative, but feel free to summarize here
[09:39] <jpatrick> I started MOTU and packaging things when people started asking for packages at the Kubuntu Forums about five months ago, that's when I decided to give it a try. My work can be found at my wikipage ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PatrickDavies ). While doing my first packages, I discovered REVU and started helping out, I've placed some notes on the KubuntuPackagingGuide at the wiki. I only did a few merges (kmymoney2 and kxdock
[09:39] <jpatrick> lp people on #ubuntu-motu by reviewing their packages on IRC (with no power to upload or advocate on REVU (kblogger for example)). I plan to help out with MOTU KDE/Kubuntu (most of my packages begin with the letter K).
[09:40] <mdz> jpatrick: it looks like your message was truncated
[09:40] <mdz> I received:
[09:40] <mdz> I only did a few merges (kmymoney2 and kxdoc
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[09:40] <ogra> yeah, the mid part ...
[09:40] <mdz> (nothing between)
[09:41] <jpatrick> sorry, one second
[09:41] <jpatrick> I started MOTU and packaging things when people started asking for packages at the Kubuntu Forums about five months ago, that's when I decided to give it a try. My work can be found at my wikipage ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PatrickDavies ).
[09:41] <jpatrick> While doing my first packages, I discovered REVU and started helping out, I've placed some notes on the KubuntuPackagingGuide at the wiki. I only did a few merges (kmymoney2 and kxdocker, I think). I helped fix a YaKuake bug sometime ago.
[09:41] <jpatrick>  I help people on #ubuntu-motu by reviewing their packages on IRC (with no power to upload or advocate on REVU (kblogger for example)). I plan to help out with MOTU KDE/Kubuntu (most of my packages begin with the letter K).
[09:42] <dholbach> jpatrick: are you an Ubuntu member already?
[09:42] <jpatrick> dholbach: yes
[09:42] <mdz> jpatrick: who has been sponsoring your work so far?
[09:42] <dholbach> Ok.
[09:42] <jpatrick> mdz: Riddell's done all my uploads
[09:42] <mjg59> Riddell: How do you feel about the quality of the packages?
[09:43] <Riddell> mjg59: his packages often need some work, but he's very responsive to fixing any problems
[09:44] <mdz> Riddell,jpatrick: I wasn't aware of KubuntuPackagingGuide until now; how did it originate?
[09:44] <raphink> jpatrick is quite active in Ubuntu, and learns fast
[09:45] <jpatrick> mdz: was created some time ago to help get people packaging
[09:45] <mdz> jpatrick: by whom?
[09:45] <raphink> mdz: I think JRE created it
[09:45] <allee> JRe
[09:45] <jpatrick> mdz: Riddell, JRe
[09:45] <Riddell> it was JRe I think
[09:45] <raphink> :)
[09:46] <ogra> is JRe still active ? havent seen him for a while
[09:46] <raphink> and JRe is not even here ;)
[09:46] <mjg59> Well, consistency is good :)
[09:46] <jpatrick> ogra: he's mostly doing KDE work
[09:46] <raphink> ogra: yes he's active
[09:46] <ogra> ah
[09:46] <Riddell> ogra: he's very active, e.g. just wrote Keep as a new backup tool for Kubuntu
[09:46] <raphink> ogra: JRe is busy on keep and katapult lately ;)
[09:46] <mdz> jpatrick: which of the packages on your page did you create based on upstream software, and which are packages you contributed changes to?
[09:46] <ogra> oh, cool
[09:48] <jpatrick> mdz: only packages I've done from scracth is ksplash-engine-moodin
[09:48] <jpatrick> and kcontrol-kdetheme
[09:48] <raphink> jpatrick: where did others come from?
[09:49] <jpatrick> raphink: they were built up from Debian/Ubuntu files with new upstream releases
[09:52] <mdz> is there anyone else present who has first-hand experience working with jpatrick who would like to speak?
[09:52] <raphink> well if I might add something to that
[09:52] <jpatrick> allee has been helping me with kmplayer
[09:52] <raphink> I'd say I've seen the quality of his packages improve on REVU
[09:52] <raphink> although sometimes more checks would be nicer
[09:53] <raphink> but overall it ends up in pretty good stuff :)
[09:53] <mdz> is there any way to get a history of all REVU activity for a particular user?
[09:53] <mdz> that would be useful
[09:53] <raphink> indeed
[09:53] <raphink> mdz: grepping the motu-reviewers mailing list might help
[09:54] <ogra> mdz, afaik thats planned for revu2  ... it was in the spec at ubz iirc
[09:54] <mdz> I see
[09:55] <mdz> jpatrick: what do you like most about working with the MOTU team?
[09:55] <atie> I'd hope to see what mdz saying from launchpad
[09:56] <dholbach> http://tauware.de/pipermail/motu-reviewers (unfortunately it doesn't have people in the message subjects)
[09:56] <mdz> dholbach: any particular reason why that list isn't on lists.ubuntu.com?
[09:56] <dholbach> mdz: siretart and sistpoty set it up as a quick solution (until revu2 was there)
[09:56] <jpatrick> mdz: to be honest I'm not too sure
[09:57] <mdz> jpatrick: well, why do you do it? ;-)
[09:57] <jpatrick> mdz: I like the feeling of helping out and developing
[09:58] <mdz> jpatrick: based on your experience, do you have any ideas about how the team could work more effectively?
[09:59] <jpatrick> mdz: more revu-ing on KDE packages
[09:59] <mjg59> Heh
[09:59] <mjg59> jpatrick: Do you feel that KDE packages are held to the same standards as Gnome ones right now?
[09:59] <mdz> jpatrick: meaning what?  there aren't enough reviewers to keep up with packages needing review?
[10:00] <jpatrick> mdz: only Riddell and raphink really do KDE revu
[10:00] <jpatrick> mjg59: yes
[10:00] <mdz> I think the best solution to that is to recruit more KDE contributors, who will gain experience and participate in review
[10:01] <mdz> fortunately there seems to be strong interest in this area recently ;-)
[10:01] <jpatrick> :)
[10:01] <atie> mdz, yes users love kubuntu too.
[10:02] <allee> jpatrick: if non motu could comment on revu, it would be better ;)
[10:02] <raphink> allee: you can send your comments to MOTUs, they will sponsor them
[10:02] <ogra> allee, that could quickly get messy ...
[10:02] <ogra> the way raphink describes leaves at least some control
[10:03] <mdz> I don't see any reason why non-motu shouldn't be able to comment, so long as it was clear from the comment whether the person is a registered developer or not
[10:03] <allee> ogra: sending e-mails or irc is not better (btw. siretart said it on revu2 list)
[10:04] <Tonio_> raphink, although it is an exception, was commenting on REVU before beeing MOTU
[10:04] <ogra> allee, afaik revu2 is planned to be included into launchpad ... there we have account management etc ...
[10:04] <mdz> ok, we're getting a bit sidetracked into REVU discussion
[10:04] <ogra> yup...
[10:05] <ogra> and we already met the 1h mark
[10:05] <mdz> jpatrick: can you tell us a bit about kubuntu-es.org and your goals there?
[10:06] <jpatrick> mdz: first thing is get the site back and try to encourage the kubuntu spanish community to do some contributions :)
[10:08] <mjg59> jpatrick: Is there a strong Spanish KDE community?
[10:08] <jpatrick> mjg59: yes
[10:08] <mdz> jpatrick: how can we encourage more developer interest in that community?
[10:08] <jpatrick> might be going to aKademy-es
[10:09] <jpatrick> I could translate the MOTU guides for packagers, etc
[10:10] <mjg59> jpatrick: What distributions are currently popular in Spain?
[10:10] <mjg59> (Especially KDE based ones)
[10:11] <jpatrick> I know some OpenSuse users and there's a crowd that's always in #kubuntu-es
[10:11] <mjg59> jpatrick: So, how do you think we can get hold of all the OpenSuse users? :)
[10:11] <jpatrick> mjg59: the one i know used Kubuntu
[10:11] <mjg59> jpatrick: Heh
[10:12] <mdz> jpatrick: does opensuse offer particular advantages to the Spanish community?
[10:12] <jpatrick> not that I know of :)
[10:13] <mjg59> jpatrick: What sort of community contributions do you envisage?
[10:14] <jpatrick> envisage?
[10:14] <mjg59> Imagine in the future
[10:15] <jpatrick> Translations, more packages and maybe more support at the forums
[10:15] <mjg59> Ok
[10:15] <jpatrick> and some coding for Kubuntu express maybe
[10:15] <Riddell> and want to help with kubuntu express
[10:16] <mjg59> Riddell: Good news
[10:16] <mjg59> jpatrick: So do you feel happy with your packages being used by (potentially) millions of people?
[10:16] <jpatrick> mjg59: I feel happy that they're happy :)
[10:17] <mdz> we need to move on, any further questions?
[10:17] <mjg59> I think I'm ok.
[10:17] <jpatrick> without having to compile the programs (which sometimes problems.)
[10:18] <mdz> ok, votes
[10:19] <mdz> +1 based on positive feedback on contributions to packages and developer resources
[10:20] <mjg59> +1 for me, though with faint concern over package quality in the past
[10:20] <mjg59> But it sounds like you're dealing with that, so no problem
[10:20] <mdz> jpatrick: it wouldn't hurt to continue to participate in package reviews
[10:20] <jpatrick> yes, I plan to help the kde packages :)
[10:20] <mdz> extra eyes are always a good idea even for experienced developers
[10:20] <mdz> jpatrick: anyway, congratulations
[10:21] <jpatrick> thanks
[10:21] <Riddell> I hope he'll revu lots more in future, Tonio_  too :)
[10:21] <Tonio_> jpatrick: congrats ;)
[10:21] <ogra> congrats jpatrick 
[10:21] <allee> congrats jpatrick 
[10:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's on my plans ;)
[10:21] <sivang> congrets jpatrick 
[10:21] <dholbach> congratulations jpatrick
[10:21] <raphink> congratulations jpatrick :)
[10:21] <dholbach> !!!REVU DAY TOMORROW!!!
[10:21] <raphink> welcome aboard :)
[10:21] <jpatrick> thanks everyone :)
[10:21] <dholbach> :-)
[10:21] <raphink> dholbach: yeah :)
[10:21] <Tonio_> dholbach: I'll be there ;)
[10:22] <jpatrick> count me in!
[10:22] <dholbach> ROCK! :)
[10:22] <Kyral> hmm REVU Day tomorrow..I should get a package uploaded soon then...
[10:22] <mdz> LaserJock: you're up
[10:22] <LaserJock> mdz: thanks
[10:22] <LaserJock> I'm a PhD physical chemistry student that has been hanging out with the MOTU since about August. I am very interested in both good documentation for MOTUs and wannabes and also looking after science related packages in Universe.
[10:22] <LaserJock> I am a member of the documentation team and am the lead writer of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide (very alpha at this point, but should be ready for Dapper).
[10:23] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide
[10:23] <LaserJock> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[10:23] <LaserJock> I also started the MOTU Science team to try focus some effort on science related packages in Universe. I broadly define science related as packages in the math, science, and tex sections. About 450 source packages in all.
[10:23] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Science
[10:23] <LaserJock> sorry if that is a little too much
[10:24] <LaserJock> also, dholbach did an interview of me for the MOTU report at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-February/015279.html
[10:24] <mjg59> LaserJock: So what have you been packaging so far?
[10:25] <LaserJock> mjg59: I package plotdrop (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1344) from scratch and it is now in Debian and I also took over a Debian ITP for gausssum and it is now in unstable
[10:25] <LaserJock> I did ~ 10 merges for dapper and a few for Breezy
[10:25] <mjg59> LaserJock: Excellent
[10:25] <mjg59> Who's sponsored your uploads?
[10:25] <LaserJock> I'm starting a run through the science related packages
[10:26] <LaserJock> crismun, \sh, and bddebian (for breezy) are my main sponsors but they don't seem to be available
[10:26] <LaserJock> azeem is my debian sponsor
[10:26] <LaserJock> I haven't had any complaints so far about my packaging. All of my merges were accepted without changes
[10:26] <ogra_ibook> grmbl
[10:27] <Riddell> LaserJock: have you looked at the KubuntuPackagingGuide page mentioned earlier?  can it be merged into the Ubuntu Packaging Guide?
[10:27] <LaserJock> Riddell: yes, I have a section outlined for it
[10:27] <mjg59> LaserJock: Scientific programs are often licensed under bizarre non-free licenses. How's your legalese?
[10:27] <mdz> LaserJock: it helps us a lot to hear from people who have reviewed your packages first-hand
[10:27] <mdz> since we don't have time to do such a comprehensive review during the meeting
[10:27] <azeem> the package I sponsored was well done, albeit not extremely difficult either.  
[10:27] <LaserJock> mdz: I understand
[10:28] <mdz> LaserJock: do you think you could arrange for them to attend the next meeting, or perhaps send us some email with their thoughts?
[10:28] <azeem> I am very impressed by LJ's pursuit for MOTUScience and working together with Debian
[10:28] <sistpoty> LaserJock has been around for a long time, and often hangs around in -motu... his packaging skills (to what I've seen) are good
[10:28] <raphink> :)
[10:28] <LaserJock> mjg59: my leagalese isn't great but I've had to deal with some over in the doc team. Science packages are tought that way. debian-science is working on form emails for asking upstream for better licenses
[10:28] <jjesse> and he is doing a great job on the packagin guide along with contrib to other doc team stuff
[10:29] <raphink> LaserJock is often around, he's helpful and makes good packages :)
[10:29] <mjg59> LaserJock: That sounds extremely worthwhile
[10:29] <sivang> s/pleases/pleased/
[10:29] <LaserJock> I'm working on good relations with debian-science
[10:30] <LaserJock> I somewhat naively sent an email about MOTU Science. 
[10:30] <LaserJock> I got a lot of good feedback with some not-so-welcom feedback as well
[10:30] <mdz> sistpoty,raphink: have either of you sponsored his uploads?
[10:30] <LaserJock> but I was able to show the DDs what I was up to and satisfied most
[10:31] <raphink> mdz: no, I've reviewed some of his packages iirc, but never sponsored any
[10:31] <dholbach> I can't remember, if I looked at any.
[10:31] <sistpoty> mdz: no, I didn't sponsor any packages either, at least not that I could remember
[10:32] <LaserJock> I really wish crimsun could have made it
[10:32] <mdz> LaserJock: would you mind deferring to the next meeting?  we've run a bit long, and it would be beneficial for your sponsors to attend
[10:32] <LaserJock> mdz: I don't mind
[10:33] <mdz> LaserJock: I appreciate it
[10:33] <mdz> is freeflying here?
[10:33] <mdz> he proposed a discussion item
[10:33] <mdz> but I don't think he's here
[10:33] <atie> mdz, he isn't here
[10:34] <atie> mdz, but I can speak up for the item.
[10:34] <jpatrick> mdz: he is sleeping
[10:34] <atie> and ok with next meeting too
[10:34] <mdz> atie: if we could defer, so that freeflying can participate and we have more time, that would be good
[10:34] <mdz> atie: if it's urgent, feel free to send me mail and we can discuss that way as well
[10:34] <atie> mdz, no problem
[10:35] <mdz> atie: thanks, will you communicate that to freeflying as well?
[10:35] <atie> mdz, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterCJKSupportSpecification/FontConfig
[10:35] <mjg59> atie: It would probably be helpful if it could be written up in a little more detail - I didn't get a good idea what the issue was from the thread
[10:35] <atie> mjg59, I agree.
[10:35] <atie> but can we make a channel with someone in core dev?
[10:36] <atie> to discuss detail before meeting
[10:36] <Riddell> freeflying said huahua would speak for it, I've just pinged him
[10:36] <mdz> atie: sure
[10:36] <mdz> atie: feel free to ping me anytime before the next meeting
[10:36] <atie> mdz, could you let me know whom?
[10:36] <atie> mdz, sure
[10:37] <mdz> atie: ok, thanks
[10:37] <mdz> I think we need to adjourn
[10:37] <mdz> please mail me about anything which can't wait until the next meeting
[10:37] <mdz> thanks, everyone
[10:38] <sistpoty> just a quick question (in case anyone knows right here): is it possible to have all packages in universe test-rebuilt like we had it for breezy?
[10:39] <atie> bye everyone. Congrate you Tonio_  and jpatrick !
[10:39] <jpatrick> atie: bye and thanks :)
[10:41] <Tonio_> too late....
[10:42] <jpatrick> Tonio_: another temps
[10:42] <Tonio_> jpatrick: ;)
[10:43] <Tonio_> thanks everyone, bye
[10:55] <jpatrick> Good night everyone and thanks