=== dsaa [n=dsaa@210.213.95.36] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dsaa [n=dsaa@210.213.95.36] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.103] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lucasd [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucasd] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === smurf [n=smurf@debian/developer/smurf] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === theball [n=shane@71-34-85-75.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === theball [n=shane@71-34-85-75.ptld.qwest.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:robitaille] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 14 Feb 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 15 Feb 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 15 Feb 19:00 UTC: Accessibility Team | 15 Feb 20:00 UTC: MOTU | 16 Feb 14:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 16 Feb 20:00 UTC: Kubuntu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === earobinson111 [n=earobins@HSE-Toronto-ppp304052.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === earobinson111 [n=earobins@HSE-Toronto-ppp304980.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-146-136-159.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === FLeiXiuS [n=fleixius@c-69-143-75-17.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:jsgotangco] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 14 Feb 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 15 Feb 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 15 Feb 19:00 UTC: Accessibility Team | 15 Feb 20:00 UTC: MOTU | 16 Feb 14:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 16 Feb 20:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 17 Feb 14:00 UTC: Documentation Team | === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:jsgotangco] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 14 Feb 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 15 Feb 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 15 Feb 19:00 UTC: Accessibility Team | 15 Feb 20:00 UTC: MOTU | 16 Feb 14:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 16 Feb 20:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 17 Feb 14:00 UTC: Documentation Team | [08:49] clear [08:49] ls [08:49] lol === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B3027.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@pD951DEA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.6] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jmont [n=jmont@200.215.89.146] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-13-13.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === licio [n=licio@licio.estaminas.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === simira [n=simira@194.24.252.250] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dsaa [n=dsaa@210.213.86.7] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jeang [n=jeang@dsl-145-44-55.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@pD951DEA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-077-041.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B3027.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.11] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lfittl [n=lfittl@85-125-145-79.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B30B6.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jpatrick [n=patrick@125.Red-81-38-208.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cmvo [n=cmvo@62.225.11.174] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === miL [n=Fever@26.Red-83-58-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === miL [n=Fever@26.Red-83-58-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Lord_Athur [n=Alejandr@pc-170-38-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:57] hi all === Lord_Athur [n=Alejandr@pc-170-38-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Abandonando"] === jeang [n=jeang@dsl-145-44-55.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === atie [n=atie@12.163.162.2] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:41] hello [08:44] hi atie [08:44] raphink, hi [08:45] hi raphink [08:45] hi LaserJock <>< [08:46] how are you today LaserJock ? [08:47] oh, I'm alright. I thought I would miss the TB meeting because of a real life meeting but the real life meeting didn't happen so I'm here [08:47] I thought you were applying for dev tonight LaserJock ? [08:48] yet I don't see you in the list LaserJock === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:59] mdz: I believe Kinnison may have gone out for the evening [09:00] mjg59: that would be a very unfortunate choice [09:01] he wanted to celebrate valentine ... === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #UBUNTU-MEETING [09:01] good morning everyone [09:01] good evening [09:01] morning mdz [09:01] hi mdz [09:01] tech board meeting starts now, agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda [09:01] mdz: Tonio (Anthony Mercatante) might be a bit late [09:01] evening [09:02] yop ogra === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:02] I don't think we have any core developer candidates to process; the pending memberships in launchpad (apart from Kinnison, who isn't present) are invalid [09:03] mdz: Is it possible to process kinnison in his absence? [09:04] mjg59: I suppose so, if we both agree [09:04] i sponsored an upload for him today if thats worth something [09:04] that would be a great surprise for him :) [09:04] and he wants to grab gnome-powermanager, its would be helpful if he could upload [09:04] He's been an active Debian developer, and we're now entirely dependent on infrastructure he helped implement [09:05] we're fairly well acquainted at this point [09:05] I'm inclined to say that he'd be a valuable and competent member of the team [09:05] I spent the better part of a week working with him on soyuz [09:06] mjg59: what did you sponsor? [09:06] mdz: I haven't sponsored any of his uploads as yet, but I've been working with him on g-p-m [09:06] mdz, i did ... [09:06] I am somewhat concerned by the fact that he seems to like lua [09:06] mdz, g-p-m [09:06] mdz: ?? :) [09:07] the humour-impaired may disregard my last statement [09:07] hehe [09:07] mdz: Oh, christ, yes. [09:07] I doublechecked :) [09:07] But anyway, +1 from me. [09:07] he doesn't just like it, he packages it [09:07] mdz, he fixed a sabdfl bug :) #29881 ... so the lid -> lock screen stuff is done as well ;) [09:07] (Unless anyone has any objections) [09:07] mjg59: has he maintained non-lua packages in the past? === sivang cheers for Kinnison in his absence. [09:07] I object on the basis that perpuating lua is a crime against humanity [09:08] and what about Arannah? [09:08] elmo: LOL [09:08] I don't nkow who Arannah is [09:08] know [09:08] not who, [09:08] what [09:08] ah ops [09:09] disregard that. [09:09] i think he was in the uploaders list of dbus [09:09] Yes, he used to work on dbus (with Daniels) [09:09] oh how confusing [09:10] Having lost a Daniel, I feel we need to compensate by adding another [09:10] anyway, there is precedent for both considering someone in absence if we have sufficient first-hand experience with them, and for 50% quorum [09:10] so I think we can vote [09:10] yay [09:10] s/I think // [09:10] yay [09:11] +1 from me [09:11] +1 with intentions to have a serious talk with him about this lua business [09:11] And the beard [09:12] haha [09:12] mdz: given you just said that, note http://www.digital-scurf.org/software/aranha [09:12] mjg59: will you communicate the decision to him? [09:12] mdz: Yup [09:12] thanks [09:12] I've twiddled the launchpad bits [09:13] so in theory he should have upload privileges effective immediately [09:13] note that he's on ubuntu-dev as well ... [09:13] Ok. Next set of people? [09:13] yes, that is obsolete [09:13] the motu applicant list is sort of a mess [09:13] yup [09:14] mdz: Sorry, I'll mail the guys and report back ASAP. [09:14] dholbach: thanks [09:14] (note the capital letters) [09:14] dholbach: would you be sure to do that before each meeting? [09:14] I can process any improper applications which should be declined for you [09:15] Yes. [09:15] quickly, is there anyone here in regard to a MOTU application? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:15] hi everyone [09:15] mdz: I'm Jordan Mantha [09:15] hi Tonio_ [09:15] ok, that's two === jpatrick is Jonathan Patrick Davies [09:16] 3 [09:16] hi Tonio_ [09:16] :) === Tonio_ is Anthony Mercatante [09:16] Ivailo Ivanov? [09:16] freeflying? [09:16] ok [09:16] not here [09:17] Tonio_ is first up, then === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:17] Tonio_: so it looks like you're interested in KDE? [09:18] mdz: absolutly ;) [09:18] who has been sponsoring your uploads? Riddell? [09:18] mostly Riddell, but since he is MOTU, raphink uploaded many too [09:18] quite a bit recently yes [09:18] is Riddell here? [09:18] was a minute ago [09:19] I am === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:19] Riddell: any comments? [09:19] mdz: Tonio_ has been a very active Kubuntu developer for a long time [09:19] was politely waiting for Tonio_'s 3 line introduction.. [09:19] me too [09:19] but I fully support Tonio_'s membership of ubuntu-dev [09:19] mdz: I have to confess he was the one introducing me to Ubuntu packages :) [09:19] I am satisfied with his wiki page intro [09:19] I'm really sorry, but I didn't have the time to prepare a little text instroducing me... [09:19] Tonio_: No problem [09:20] he's a good packager and fixed some bugs too like the bluez pin issue we found recently [09:20] Riddell: can you provide any specific feedback on his packaging work, especially that done under your sponsorship? [09:20] Riddell: you reviewed his uploads carefully? [09:20] Tonio_ has been working on kubuntu default settings lately [09:20] mdz: yes, I've sponsored a number of his uploads, there's usually minimal problems with them [09:21] Riddell: can you give us an example of a problem and how it was resolved? [09:21] I reviewed a huge bunch of Tonio_ and he's been there for months, improving them on my requests and adding even more packages. He follows up quickly and I'm happy with this packaging skills. [09:21] dholbach: + :) [09:21] additionally he seems to be a good guy to help newcomers in #ubuntu-motu [09:22] i saw him often help out on questions ... [09:22] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1145 random example, mateedit, needed to tidy upstream tar file and I'm usually quite strict in asking for patch names to be in changelogs [09:23] Riddell: so you suggested those corrections and he made them? [09:23] mdz: Tonio_ considers all corrections to packages on REVU [09:23] mdz: yes [09:23] mdz: and is eager to defend his technical choices when a MOTU is wrong on a comment, too [09:25] Tonio_: you mention the laptop team on your web page; have you worked with mjg59 on any projects there? [09:25] Not as yet [09:25] oh, I see, that's a future interest [09:25] Though it would be good - KDE's lacking some love compared to Gnome [09:26] mdz: I must say not at the moment, cause I never found any problems with my laptop right now, but it is something I would like to find the to do [09:26] Tonio_: can you tell us about your plans for laptop team participation? [09:26] someone needs to rewrite g-p-m for kde :) [09:26] (probably a bit late for dapper ) [09:26] ogra: wait until it's better in dapper for gnome :) [09:26] ogra: (I'm in contact with the kpowersave developers about improvements I'd like to have matched funcationality) [09:26] sivang, it already is [09:27] Riddell, ++ [09:27] mdz: my plans are limited I must say [09:27] Tonio_: what do you think could be done to improve laptop/power management integration in KDE? [09:27] sivang, now that Kinnison cares actively for it :) [09:27] ogra: rock :) [09:27] I don't have many laptops, just one, so unsuring that the compatibility with that specific model is okay, and certainly adding an entry on the wiki [09:28] but that is quite limited, indeed [09:28] Tonio_: Would you be interested in working on more general support, even if you can't test it all? [09:28] I think Tonio_ 's main interest in really Kubuntu right now [09:29] s/in/is/ [09:29] raphink: he can speak to his own interests, surely [09:29] mjg59: that could be interesting, although there are software dedicated to laptops that could/should be integrated [09:29] sure mdz :) [09:29] raphink, kubuntu needs powermanagement help and i guess Riddell would be happy if someone can help out [09:29] I discussed on powersave with riddell recently about that [09:29] Tonio_: Ok, cool [09:30] Tonio_: Unrelatedly, have any of the tools you've packaged been uploaded to Debian since you first packaged them? [09:30] but has raphink was saying, my main priority is more kubuntu than anything else, and if specific things can be done for kubuntu on the laptop part, I would take pleasure wokirng on it [09:31] mjd59, I didn't personally performed the debian submission, but I know certain packages have been included to debian by the utnubu team [09:32] Tonio_: Once that happens, do you continue packaging new upstream releases or do you start syncing from Debian? [09:32] generally, when a package gets into debian, and that I am not the maintainer, I don't continue the packaging stuff [09:33] ubutu's main purpose is to be synched to debian, I think [09:33] but if the debian package is the one I did for ubuntu, I continue maintaining it, of course [09:33] packaging an application isn't a "one time" stuff [09:34] Tonio_: Ok, cool [09:35] Tonio_: Ubuntu's _main_ purpose is to be a high-quality free operating system, though coordinating with our upstreams is also important ;-) [09:35] mjg59: I'm finished, you? [09:35] mdz: sure ;) [09:36] mdz: I think so [09:36] ok, votes [09:37] +1, based on positive feedback from existing motu and core developers and a substantial history of packaging contributions [09:38] phew, /me thought MOTU applications just got alot harder :) [09:38] +1 for me [09:38] sivang: indeed ;) [09:38] Tonio_: congratulations and welcome [09:38] raphink: this is for main right? [09:38] sivang, we're still waiting for you :) [09:38] welcome aboard Tonio_ :) [09:38] sivang: not even ;) [09:38] welcome Tonio_ ! [09:38] thanks very much ! [09:39] next ? [09:39] congratulations Tonio_! [09:39] Tonio_: congrats [09:39] I hope not to deceive you [09:39] jpatrick: you're next; would you like to introduce yourself? [09:39] allee: thanks :) [09:39] Yes, thank you I wrote sometime up [09:39] your wiki page is informative, but feel free to summarize here [09:39] I started MOTU and packaging things when people started asking for packages at the Kubuntu Forums about five months ago, that's when I decided to give it a try. My work can be found at my wikipage ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PatrickDavies ). While doing my first packages, I discovered REVU and started helping out, I've placed some notes on the KubuntuPackagingGuide at the wiki. I only did a few merges (kmymoney2 and kxdock [09:39] lp people on #ubuntu-motu by reviewing their packages on IRC (with no power to upload or advocate on REVU (kblogger for example)). I plan to help out with MOTU KDE/Kubuntu (most of my packages begin with the letter K). [09:40] jpatrick: it looks like your message was truncated [09:40] I received: [09:40] I only did a few merges (kmymoney2 and kxdoc [09:40] lp people on #ubuntu-motu [09:40] yeah, the mid part ... [09:40] (nothing between) [09:41] sorry, one second [09:41] I started MOTU and packaging things when people started asking for packages at the Kubuntu Forums about five months ago, that's when I decided to give it a try. My work can be found at my wikipage ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PatrickDavies ). [09:41] While doing my first packages, I discovered REVU and started helping out, I've placed some notes on the KubuntuPackagingGuide at the wiki. I only did a few merges (kmymoney2 and kxdocker, I think). I helped fix a YaKuake bug sometime ago. [09:41] I help people on #ubuntu-motu by reviewing their packages on IRC (with no power to upload or advocate on REVU (kblogger for example)). I plan to help out with MOTU KDE/Kubuntu (most of my packages begin with the letter K). [09:42] jpatrick: are you an Ubuntu member already? [09:42] dholbach: yes [09:42] jpatrick: who has been sponsoring your work so far? [09:42] Ok. [09:42] mdz: Riddell's done all my uploads [09:42] Riddell: How do you feel about the quality of the packages? [09:43] mjg59: his packages often need some work, but he's very responsive to fixing any problems [09:44] Riddell,jpatrick: I wasn't aware of KubuntuPackagingGuide until now; how did it originate? [09:44] jpatrick is quite active in Ubuntu, and learns fast [09:45] mdz: was created some time ago to help get people packaging [09:45] jpatrick: by whom? [09:45] mdz: I think JRE created it [09:45] JRe [09:45] mdz: Riddell, JRe [09:45] it was JRe I think [09:45] :) [09:46] is JRe still active ? havent seen him for a while [09:46] and JRe is not even here ;) [09:46] Well, consistency is good :) [09:46] ogra: he's mostly doing KDE work [09:46] ogra: yes he's active [09:46] ah [09:46] ogra: he's very active, e.g. just wrote Keep as a new backup tool for Kubuntu [09:46] ogra: JRe is busy on keep and katapult lately ;) [09:46] jpatrick: which of the packages on your page did you create based on upstream software, and which are packages you contributed changes to? [09:46] oh, cool [09:48] mdz: only packages I've done from scracth is ksplash-engine-moodin [09:48] and kcontrol-kdetheme [09:48] jpatrick: where did others come from? [09:49] raphink: they were built up from Debian/Ubuntu files with new upstream releases [09:52] is there anyone else present who has first-hand experience working with jpatrick who would like to speak? [09:52] well if I might add something to that [09:52] allee has been helping me with kmplayer [09:52] I'd say I've seen the quality of his packages improve on REVU [09:52] although sometimes more checks would be nicer [09:53] but overall it ends up in pretty good stuff :) [09:53] is there any way to get a history of all REVU activity for a particular user? [09:53] that would be useful [09:53] indeed [09:53] mdz: grepping the motu-reviewers mailing list might help [09:54] mdz, afaik thats planned for revu2 ... it was in the spec at ubz iirc [09:54] I see [09:55] jpatrick: what do you like most about working with the MOTU team? [09:55] I'd hope to see what mdz saying from launchpad [09:56] http://tauware.de/pipermail/motu-reviewers (unfortunately it doesn't have people in the message subjects) [09:56] dholbach: any particular reason why that list isn't on lists.ubuntu.com? === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:56] mdz: siretart and sistpoty set it up as a quick solution (until revu2 was there) [09:56] mdz: to be honest I'm not too sure [09:57] jpatrick: well, why do you do it? ;-) [09:57] mdz: I like the feeling of helping out and developing [09:58] jpatrick: based on your experience, do you have any ideas about how the team could work more effectively? [09:59] mdz: more revu-ing on KDE packages [09:59] Heh [09:59] jpatrick: Do you feel that KDE packages are held to the same standards as Gnome ones right now? [09:59] jpatrick: meaning what? there aren't enough reviewers to keep up with packages needing review? [10:00] mdz: only Riddell and raphink really do KDE revu [10:00] mjg59: yes [10:00] I think the best solution to that is to recruit more KDE contributors, who will gain experience and participate in review [10:01] fortunately there seems to be strong interest in this area recently ;-) [10:01] :) [10:01] mdz, yes users love kubuntu too. [10:02] jpatrick: if non motu could comment on revu, it would be better ;) [10:02] allee: you can send your comments to MOTUs, they will sponsor them [10:02] allee, that could quickly get messy ... [10:02] the way raphink describes leaves at least some control [10:03] I don't see any reason why non-motu shouldn't be able to comment, so long as it was clear from the comment whether the person is a registered developer or not [10:03] ogra: sending e-mails or irc is not better (btw. siretart said it on revu2 list) [10:04] raphink, although it is an exception, was commenting on REVU before beeing MOTU [10:04] allee, afaik revu2 is planned to be included into launchpad ... there we have account management etc ... [10:04] ok, we're getting a bit sidetracked into REVU discussion [10:04] yup... [10:05] and we already met the 1h mark [10:05] jpatrick: can you tell us a bit about kubuntu-es.org and your goals there? [10:06] mdz: first thing is get the site back and try to encourage the kubuntu spanish community to do some contributions :) [10:08] jpatrick: Is there a strong Spanish KDE community? [10:08] mjg59: yes [10:08] jpatrick: how can we encourage more developer interest in that community? [10:08] might be going to aKademy-es [10:09] I could translate the MOTU guides for packagers, etc [10:10] jpatrick: What distributions are currently popular in Spain? [10:10] (Especially KDE based ones) [10:11] I know some OpenSuse users and there's a crowd that's always in #kubuntu-es [10:11] jpatrick: So, how do you think we can get hold of all the OpenSuse users? :) [10:11] mjg59: the one i know used Kubuntu [10:11] jpatrick: Heh [10:12] jpatrick: does opensuse offer particular advantages to the Spanish community? [10:12] not that I know of :) [10:13] jpatrick: What sort of community contributions do you envisage? [10:14] envisage? [10:14] Imagine in the future [10:15] Translations, more packages and maybe more support at the forums [10:15] Ok [10:15] and some coding for Kubuntu express maybe === Riddell notes that the University of La Laguna are making a kubuntu derivative distribution [10:15] and want to help with kubuntu express [10:16] Riddell: Good news [10:16] jpatrick: So do you feel happy with your packages being used by (potentially) millions of people? [10:16] mjg59: I feel happy that they're happy :) [10:17] we need to move on, any further questions? [10:17] I think I'm ok. [10:17] without having to compile the programs (which sometimes problems.) [10:18] ok, votes [10:19] +1 based on positive feedback on contributions to packages and developer resources [10:20] +1 for me, though with faint concern over package quality in the past [10:20] But it sounds like you're dealing with that, so no problem [10:20] jpatrick: it wouldn't hurt to continue to participate in package reviews [10:20] yes, I plan to help the kde packages :) [10:20] extra eyes are always a good idea even for experienced developers [10:20] jpatrick: anyway, congratulations [10:21] thanks [10:21] I hope he'll revu lots more in future, Tonio_ too :) [10:21] jpatrick: congrats ;) [10:21] congrats jpatrick [10:21] congrats jpatrick [10:21] Riddell: that's on my plans ;) [10:21] congrets jpatrick [10:21] congratulations jpatrick [10:21] congratulations jpatrick :) [10:21] !!!REVU DAY TOMORROW!!! [10:21] welcome aboard :) [10:21] thanks everyone :) [10:21] :-) [10:21] dholbach: yeah :) [10:21] dholbach: I'll be there ;) [10:22] count me in! [10:22] ROCK! :) [10:22] hmm REVU Day tomorrow..I should get a package uploaded soon then... [10:22] LaserJock: you're up [10:22] mdz: thanks [10:22] I'm a PhD physical chemistry student that has been hanging out with the MOTU since about August. I am very interested in both good documentation for MOTUs and wannabes and also looking after science related packages in Universe. [10:22] I am a member of the documentation team and am the lead writer of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide (very alpha at this point, but should be ready for Dapper). [10:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide [10:23] http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html [10:23] I also started the MOTU Science team to try focus some effort on science related packages in Universe. I broadly define science related as packages in the math, science, and tex sections. About 450 source packages in all. [10:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Science [10:23] sorry if that is a little too much [10:24] also, dholbach did an interview of me for the MOTU report at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-February/015279.html [10:24] LaserJock: So what have you been packaging so far? [10:25] mjg59: I package plotdrop (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1344) from scratch and it is now in Debian and I also took over a Debian ITP for gausssum and it is now in unstable [10:25] I did ~ 10 merges for dapper and a few for Breezy [10:25] LaserJock: Excellent [10:25] Who's sponsored your uploads? [10:25] I'm starting a run through the science related packages [10:26] crismun, \sh, and bddebian (for breezy) are my main sponsors but they don't seem to be available [10:26] azeem is my debian sponsor === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:26] I haven't had any complaints so far about my packaging. All of my merges were accepted without changes [10:26] grmbl [10:27] LaserJock: have you looked at the KubuntuPackagingGuide page mentioned earlier? can it be merged into the Ubuntu Packaging Guide? [10:27] Riddell: yes, I have a section outlined for it [10:27] LaserJock: Scientific programs are often licensed under bizarre non-free licenses. How's your legalese? [10:27] LaserJock: it helps us a lot to hear from people who have reviewed your packages first-hand === ogra is eager to grab some of the packages from LaserJock for dapper+1 edubuntu ;) [10:27] since we don't have time to do such a comprehensive review during the meeting [10:27] the package I sponsored was well done, albeit not extremely difficult either. [10:27] mdz: I understand [10:28] LaserJock: do you think you could arrange for them to attend the next meeting, or perhaps send us some email with their thoughts? [10:28] I am very impressed by LJ's pursuit for MOTUScience and working together with Debian [10:28] LaserJock has been around for a long time, and often hangs around in -motu... his packaging skills (to what I've seen) are good [10:28] :) [10:28] mjg59: my leagalese isn't great but I've had to deal with some over in the doc team. Science packages are tought that way. debian-science is working on form emails for asking upstream for better licenses [10:28] and he is doing a great job on the packagin guide along with contrib to other doc team stuff [10:29] LaserJock is often around, he's helpful and makes good packages :) === sivang notes he was pleases to see the packaging guide taking form, something he wisehd for since no-name-yet.com days. [10:29] LaserJock: That sounds extremely worthwhile [10:29] s/pleases/pleased/ [10:29] I'm working on good relations with debian-science [10:30] I somewhat naively sent an email about MOTU Science. [10:30] I got a lot of good feedback with some not-so-welcom feedback as well [10:30] sistpoty,raphink: have either of you sponsored his uploads? [10:30] but I was able to show the DDs what I was up to and satisfied most [10:31] mdz: no, I've reviewed some of his packages iirc, but never sponsored any [10:31] I can't remember, if I looked at any. [10:31] mdz: no, I didn't sponsor any packages either, at least not that I could remember [10:32] I really wish crimsun could have made it [10:32] LaserJock: would you mind deferring to the next meeting? we've run a bit long, and it would be beneficial for your sponsors to attend [10:32] mdz: I don't mind [10:33] LaserJock: I appreciate it [10:33] is freeflying here? [10:33] he proposed a discussion item [10:33] but I don't think he's here [10:33] mdz, he isn't here [10:34] mdz, but I can speak up for the item. [10:34] mdz: he is sleeping [10:34] and ok with next meeting too [10:34] atie: if we could defer, so that freeflying can participate and we have more time, that would be good [10:34] atie: if it's urgent, feel free to send me mail and we can discuss that way as well [10:34] mdz, no problem [10:35] atie: thanks, will you communicate that to freeflying as well? [10:35] mdz, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterCJKSupportSpecification/FontConfig [10:35] atie: It would probably be helpful if it could be written up in a little more detail - I didn't get a good idea what the issue was from the thread [10:35] mjg59, I agree. [10:35] but can we make a channel with someone in core dev? [10:36] to discuss detail before meeting [10:36] freeflying said huahua would speak for it, I've just pinged him [10:36] atie: sure [10:36] atie: feel free to ping me anytime before the next meeting [10:36] mdz, could you let me know whom? [10:36]