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dolsonif there is a bug in a package, and the latest version in Debian unstable fixes it without any changes needing to be made, then what is the process to request to get that into Dapper? The bug in question is #28560, package is freewheeling. it currently segfaults with the Dapper version12:20
ajmitch_as it doesn't break UVF, it should be no problem for someone to request a sync or merge the ubuntu changes in12:23
dolsonthe ubuntu changes are not needed, from what I can tell12:24
dolsonLoic changed the build deps and that's all, and this is changed in Debian now from what I can see12:24
dolsonso can I request a sync? or does someone else higher up have to do it?12:25
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ajmitch_a MOTU needs to12:27
LaserJockif you want a sync you can use our new wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SyncRequests12:27
dolsondone.12:29
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dolsondholbach: hey, I just read your MOTU report. :)12:33
dholbachgood night guys12:38
LaserJockcya dholbach12:38
dholbachbye LaserJock12:38
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dolsoncya later12:41
dsasdolson = dana olsen?12:43
dolsonolson, yeah12:43
dsasAre you the person who wrote mandrake tutorials years ago?12:44
dolsonI deny everything!12:44
dolsonI am innocent!12:44
dolsonhttp://pgshopping.com/mdkxp is not my old site!12:44
dsas:D, You were a great help back when I was starting with Linux, thanks a lot.12:44
dolsonThanks! that means a lot to me.. and I'm glad to see you're on Ubuntu now :)12:44
ajmitch_how long ago was this?12:45
dsasUhm five years ago, roughly.12:45
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dolsonI started it in 2001 I think.. ended in 200312:45
ajmitch_ah12:45
dsasI think it was when I was using mdk 7.2 or 8.012:45
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ajmitch_hard to believe I've been on debian & now ubuntu for that long12:45
dolsonI used to spend all my spare time helping people on MSN and AIM, and some people sent me free stuff like Mandrake manuals, Linux video games, one guy took me out for lunch, and one guy even sent me a free MP3 player12:46
dolsonI had to sell the MP3 player because I wanted to get one that actually worked in Linux instead, heh12:46
dsasha :D, oh well.12:47
dsasI posted on some forums occasionaly that you frequented too, mandrake-users.org or something.12:47
dolsondsas: so who are you? maybe I would recognize the name12:47
dolsonyeah, I remember the good ol' MUB12:47
fbonddolson: pong12:48
dolsonfbond: hey man.. do you have packages for linuxsampler?12:48
fbondah... no ...12:48
dsasyeah the mub that was it. I was probably dean, sas or dsas back then too. (I've never been very creative with names)12:48
fbondi was thinking that would be a good idea, though12:48
fbondalthough i'll admit, i fell in love with NI Kontakt (non-free) a few years ago12:48
fbondand that runs using dssi-vst12:48
dolsonfbond: do you wanna tackle it? I am slow12:49
fbondi'll see if i can get to it12:49
dolsonit uses libs and stuff, and I'm not at that level yet12:49
fbondok12:49
fbondwhat's the deadline for dapper again?12:49
dolsonsoon12:49
dolson:)12:50
ajmitch_for new packages? in about a week12:50
fbondyup ...12:50
fbondok, thanks12:50
fbondanybody want to help me with a copyright file?12:50
fbondi have a package with three different licenses12:51
dolsonouch12:51
fbond(for different components)12:51
fbondyeah ... that's actually dssi12:51
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fbondis it okay to basically say "program xyz license\nlicense\n\nprogram abc license\nlicense text\n12:52
fbondtakers?12:53
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dolsonsorry man, I don't know.. is there anything about license stuff in the debian maintainer guide?12:57
fbonda bit, nothing complex, though12:58
fbondi'll check the debian policy manual12:59
fbondyeah, policy manual is not much help ... throwing all the copyrights in there makes sense to me01:01
dolsonI guess I'd just do it and get it up to REVU and someone will correct you if it's wrong01:02
fbondyup01:03
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Mezogra: ping01:16
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dolsonahahahahah http://www.flurl.com/featured/Scare_Your_Kid_1082.html01:29
dsasdoes anyone know the difference between eric and eric3 in the repos?01:38
ajmitch_one of them should have been removed01:39
ajmitch_I can't remember which :)01:39
dsaspresumably eric3 it has an older revision number.01:40
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dsasI'll change the docs to reccomend eric then :)01:41
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psusiman that Joerg Schilling is a jackass03:12
psusiI wish that thread would die finally03:12
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ajmitch_and I don't know if I want to know :)03:15
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odlaman xfce is messed up right now on dapper ;)03:24
psusithe completely massive thread on lkml over the last week or two where Joerg has basically been shooting his mouth off about how linux is broken because it does not conform to his world view of all scsi type devices being addressed with bus:device:lun numbers03:30
ajmitch_ah right03:31
ajmitch_I think everyone knows to ignore him anyway, or at least I could hope so :)03:31
psusihe has been soundly smacked down on everything he has had to say but he keeps dodging and repeating himself because he refuses to accept that /dev/cdrom is just as good if not better than scsi:1:2:0 and the kernel isn't going to change03:31
psusiwell there's something like 1000 posts in the thread ;)03:31
whiprushpsusi: it's been like that for like ... at least 5 years.03:32
psusimakes me wish they'd just ban the asshat03:32
whiprushhi aj03:32
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whiprushand hi jsgotangco03:32
jsgotangcojorge!!!!03:33
jsgotangcowow my fonts in dapper are crap03:33
psusi0xDEADBEEF03:33
whiprushjsgotangco: try removing ttf-arphic-uming (worked for me)03:34
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jsgotangcohmm my connection drops03:41
jsgotangcorace?03:41
psusithat's nice... a trusted CA, 'geotrust' issued an SSL certificate to a phisher for a credit union's web site.... it seems they don't perform any kind of verification when issuing certs beyond an automated script that checks if the domain name is similar to known banks, and a WHOIS04:05
ajmitch_psusi: and that's a fairly ftal problem with those 'trusted' CAs04:06
psusiftal?04:06
ajmitch_s/ftal/fatal/04:06
ajmitch_sorry, lagged ssh :)04:06
psusiyea... when you trust someone to perform due dilligence, and they don't.. that's a problem04:06
psusitime to remove them from the list of trusted CAs04:06
jsgotangcoyeah04:07
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crimsunheh, nice "Rent" quote in udev 079-0ubuntu11.06:06
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LaserJockok, so what happens after Feature Freeze? only new ubuntuX versions?06:56
crimsunonly new package revisions; no new versions06:59
crimsunonly exceptions are kernel and gnome desktop06:59
crimsun(and of course anything meeting an uvf/ff exception)07:00
LaserJockso no new Debian versions? I'm not sure what the difference betwen revisions an version would be07:00
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crimsunrevisions == packaging, or A.B.C-Y or A.B.C-YubuntuZ07:04
crimsunversions == A.B.C07:04
LaserJockbut isn't that UVF07:05
crimsunyes. What isn't clear?07:05
ajmitch_feature freeze for us means no new packages07:06
LaserJockI'm talking about Feature Freeze07:06
crimsunwe can NEW anything up until FF07:06
ajmitch_for main, it means no new features07:06
LaserJockso only new ubuntuX version not 0ubuntuX or upstream versons, correct?07:07
ajmitch_for us, it's generally the same as before07:08
ajmitch_with the exception that for dapper we're stopping accepting new packages off revu07:08
LaserJockok07:09
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dolsongeez, why doesn't debuild -S -sa see the .orig file?08:06
minghuadolson: it should08:07
dolsonhmm, that time it did... that is weird08:07
dolsonthe first time it didn't and I haven't changed anything08:07
dolsonvery strange.. oh well, dput time08:08
minghuaMez: ping08:17
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dholbachgood morning08:53
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dolsonmorning dholbach09:23
dholbachhey dolson09:24
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dolsonI whipped up a script to check the breezy, dapper, and sid package lists against the list of apps that we think we need, and there are only 15 packages left that I or forest have not done yet09:25
dolsononly one of the missing apps is in sid09:28
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Gloubiboulgamorning09:30
dolsonmorning Gloubiboulga09:31
Gloubiboulgahey dolson09:31
Gloubiboulgadholbach, hello!09:35
dholbachhey Gloubiboulga09:35
Gloubiboulgadholbach, do you have some news about the Texmaker UVF exception ?09:35
dholbachit's all on the mailing list09:35
Gloubiboulgaoh ok09:35
dholbachi requested it yesterday09:35
dholbachafaik09:35
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dolsondholbach: I've uploaded a couple more, and fixed the one you said to fix. working on another one now. this is fun. :)09:48
dholbachCool.09:48
dholbachI'm currently quite busy with GNOME updates09:48
dholbachas soon as i get a break, i'll take a look09:49
dolsonyeah, I noticed a whole whack of updates today09:49
dolsonaww, thanks! will you be my valentine?!09:49
dholbachSure. :-)09:49
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dolsonhah, hope my wife doesn't mind09:49
dolsonmeh, she's visiting her mom right now anyhow, who cares09:50
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dolsonanother one bites the dust10:48
viviersfgyts10:59
viviersf* guys10:59
viviersfany1 have an idea why i cant setup a localle in a chroot ?10:59
viviersfok nm11:02
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dolsonaw crap, it's 6am :( bed time.12:00
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sebest_anyone using vmware-server on ubuntu breezy, i'm looking for libssl.so.412:17
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Yagisansebest_: have openssl installed ?12:21
sebest_Yagisan, yes12:23
sebest_i had to do a link :s12:23
sebest_to libssl.so.0.9.712:24
sebest_the httpd from vmware-server webui needs libssl.so.412:24
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Yagisansebest_ I've never actually tried vmware sever, so I just took a guess. Hope it turns out well for you12:27
sebest_it's working12:27
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tepsipakkihey, I'd like to be able to comment on REVU, but the damn login still doesn't work for me (or, recovering the password)... I've had gtkpod-aac there for a while now12:56
siretarttepsipakki: what is your email?12:58
tepsipakkitja@iki.fi12:58
tepsipakkiI can see the gpg-message, but there's nothing in it12:59
siretartnot even a 'None'?01:00
tepsipakkiwell yes, but that apparently doesn't work01:02
tepsipakkiare there any MOTUs who use VDR, or are in the debian vdr-team?01:03
siretartok01:03
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tepsipakkithe current version of VDR doesn't start when an UTF8-locale is in use.. the init-script needs to be hacked ;)01:05
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siretarttepsipakki: you're right, there went something really strange with your account01:07
siretarttepsipakki: what package did you upload?01:07
tepsipakkigtkpod-aac01:08
tepsipakkiit's just that the freeze is upon us =)01:09
tepsipakkithat package is for multiverse, I believe..01:09
siretartgnarf, you didn't use tja@iki.fi in your changelog, thats the problem01:10
tepsipakkioh? isn't that e-mail taken from the gpg-key?01:10
siretartwell, you have several uids on your key, and I made some bad assumption which I wanted to fix in revu201:11
siretartwenn I find time to code it, that is :/01:11
siretartI just mailed your pass to you, btw01:11
siretartcheck your email01:11
tepsipakkiyes, thanks!01:12
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siretartcrimsun: around?01:42
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zakameevening MOTUs02:42
jpatrickhello zakame02:44
zakamehello jpatrick :) how's everything?02:44
jpatrickfine :)02:44
jpatrickjust trying to get kubuntu-es.org back up02:45
jpatrickyou?02:45
zakameprepping up for a couple of talks this thursday, about FOSS and Linux, general stuff02:46
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fbondhello all06:10
fbonddoes anyone have time to build/review package dssi:06:10
fbondhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=178306:10
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jpatrickfbond: wow, looks good to me06:17
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fbondjpatrick: thanks!06:36
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fbonddoes anyone have REVU admin access, and wants to build dssi?  sorry to pester, just got some other packages that i need to finish up and build-depend on dssi-dev06:38
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LaserJockman, it's quiet this morning07:43
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seth|awayfbond, set up a local apt repository08:03
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sistpotyhi folks09:19
jpatrickhello09:19
ompaulthere was a little note on the wiki about turning up in #motu if you thought you had an idea for improving ubuntu - so here goes - imagine a situation where the machine could be turned back to the way it was when it started, killing off all gnome configuration, all additional packages, and then it provides a list of packages that were removed to get to this state of post install- this would include removing all patches all packag09:26
ompaules other than the base and reverting the .gnome2 for users to its original state09:26
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ompaulgo back a kernel version or two interesting?09:27
dholbachhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/IdeaPool might be more appropriate or even better https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+addspec09:29
dholbach#ubuntu-motu is about maintaining the Universe component of Ubuntu09:29
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Riddellraphink: motu-reviewers mailing list?09:55
raphinkyes Riddell09:55
Riddellwhere's that?09:55
Riddellhmm, the super secret tauware.de domain09:55
raphinkhaha09:56
raphinkno its no secret09:56
Riddellis that advertised anywhere?09:56
raphinkit's even advertised on the main page of REVU09:56
LaserJockyes, super secret, only sabdfl knows where it truely is ;-)09:56
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dholbachtauware.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/motu-reviewers09:57
raphinkRiddell: on revu it says :09:57
raphinkraphink@raphink.net      Pass: okioyouk     Login09:57
raphink BREAKING NEWS:09:57
KyralIs the issue about the boot sequence broken known?09:58
Riddellahem09:58
raphink The system now works and sends the notifications to motu-reviewers@tauware.de.09:58
raphinkooops09:58
raphinkbad konqui09:58
jpatrick:/09:58
raphinkhuhu09:58
Riddellhow the heck did konqi put a password in the clipboard?09:58
raphinkajmitch_: could you please change my REVU password :s ?09:58
raphinkRiddell: good question ...09:58
Riddellthat's quite a significant security issue09:59
raphinkRiddell: indeed09:59
raphinkRiddell: they were starts on the page though09:59
Riddellwow, it does it for me too10:00
Riddellthat's insane10:00
raphinkvery insane Riddell10:01
raphinkand I guess it works on all websites10:01
raphinkthis must be reported10:01
raphinkall the more as konqui remembers passwords10:01
Riddellyes, checked on random other website, happens there too10:01
Riddellcan't non MOTUs get commenting rights if they ask now?10:03
LaserJockwell, I think they can but it would take a really good non-MOTU that has shown that they know what they are doing10:04
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Riddellallee would be a good example10:05
Riddellbeing a debian packager who likes to comment on revu packages10:06
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sistpotyRiddell: revu1 is just too messy to hack in comments from non-motu's... but if comments go to motu-reviewers, i usually post them on revu10:09
dolsondholbach: thanks for the reviews,  I will look up debian/install now and fix the packages asap10:09
Riddellright10:09
dholbachdolson: rock! :)10:12
sistpotyraphink: password updated10:12
raphinksistpoty: thanks10:12
sistpotynp10:12
raphinksistpoty: maybe I could learn to change passwords, since I'm a REVU admin :s10:12
raphinkcould be useful10:12
LaserJocklol, I guess I won't be putting any passwords in konqi for a while10:13
sistpotyraphink: in /srv/revu1/scripts see alter_user.py ;)10:13
raphinkLaserJock: hehe10:13
raphinkthanks sistpoty :=)10:13
RiddellI've never noticed this konq password clipboard issue, I wonder if it's a new problem10:13
raphinkI'll havea look10:13
sistpoty(so I still do it directly in the database *g*)10:14
sistpotys/so/though/10:14
KyralLJ is going for MOTU?10:22
LaserJockKyral: we will see10:23
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KyralI feel so outta touch now10:23
LaserJockKyral: don't worry I just decided to make a try10:24
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LaserJockhmm, that didn't go too bad, I guess10:34
jpatrickLaserJock: it's going quicker than mine10:35
LaserJockjpatrick: yeah, but you got +1s in the end ;-)10:36
sistpotyLaserJock: actually I thought you were a motu already :/... if I knew it earlier, I could have taken a look at some of your packages10:36
sistpoty:(10:36
Specapt-cache showpkg <package> should show the package maintainer, right?10:36
LaserJockno problem, it was somewhat of a spur of the moment thing10:36
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thesaltydogwho is in charge of synch-ing from debian?10:37
jpatrickLaserJock: I got the spanish inquisition10:37
sistpotythesaltydog: elmo does the syncs... what package are you referring to?10:37
ograand note we are in UVF ...10:37
thesaltydogfew weeks ago I have fixed a bug on BUM, but maybe it came out on debian when dapper was already frozen10:38
thesaltydogmalone bug 2983110:38
Ubugtumalone bug 29831 in bum "BUM leaves lock file around after failing to start" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2983110:38
thesaltydogif synching could be  a big problem, don't care.10:42
sistpotythesaltydog: it's a new upstream release... I'll take a closer look (and will call for UVF-exception)10:44
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thesaltydogsorry but my line went down and I haven't got any answer.10:50
sistpotythesaltydog: it's a new upstream version, so I'll need to request and UVF-exception... but I'm just taking a look at bum ;)10:51
thesaltydogsistpoty: thanks. As I said, if it is too much work, don't care. Users could download deb from my site...10:52
thesaltydogor from debian.10:52
sistpotythesaltydog: if it's bugfixing, than it's just work that needs to be done anyway ;)10:53
thesaltydogok. thanks!10:53
sistpotythx for informing us ;)10:53
thesaltydogsistpoty: np.10:55
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sistpotythesaltydog: lintian complains: "W: bum: menu-command-not-in-package /usr/share/menu/bum:4 /usr/bin/gksudo"... is this an issue? (I don't know anything about sudo menu entries actually...)10:57
thesaltydogsistpoty: no. bum starts with gksudo. This warning just came out now, and I don't know why. For sure I cannot include gksu in the package!10:58
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phanatichi people10:58
Kyralhmm10:59
KyralCDBS worked...10:59
sistpotythesaltydog: yes, that for sure... but the menu entry changed from the last version: "command="/usr/sbin/su-to-root -X -c /usr/bin/bum"... (and I just don't know what should be there, that's what i mean)10:59
thesaltydogsistpoty: I have also tested with su-to-root, and the warning is still there. Putting gksudo in the menu is more standard then su-to-root, so I have changed.11:01
KyralWhy did I half expect CDBS to fail...11:01
sistpotythesaltydog: ah, thanks11:01
Kyral..gak...11:03
KyralIts alright for me to modify the Orig tarball so that the dir inside is all lowercase right...11:03
thesaltydoggoddnight sistpoty, and thanks again!11:03
sistpotygoodnight thesaltydog11:04
sistpotyKyral: no11:04
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sistpotyKyral: why would you need to change the .orig for that reason?11:04
Kyraldh_make complains if its not in lowercase, yet I cannot modify it11:04
Kyralbecause the build is expecting it in lowercase11:05
Kyralbut it comes out of the orig in "normal"11:05
sistpotyKyral: do you mean the root-dir of the orig-tarball?11:05
Kyralso the build fails11:05
Kyralyah11:05
sistpotyKyral: that usually shouldn't be a problem... you can rename it, call dh_make and still have the orig.tar.gz unchanged... dpkg-source will usually take care to rename the root-dir correctly if the sourcepackage is extracted11:06
Kyralhmm11:06
KyralI wonder why its failing then...11:06
sistpotyKyral: do you have the package publicly available? then I might take a look11:07
Kyralyah I'll put it on my server11:08
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KyralKeep in mind its no where near clean11:08
KyralI make sure it builds first, then I clean it :D11:08
sistpotyKyral: sure, I'll just take a look at it to get it building in the first place ;)11:09
ajmitch_hi11:09
sistpotyhi ajmitch_11:10
LaserJockhi ajmitch_11:10
Kyralhttp://azuredream.homelinux.org/aptwork/11:11
Kyralits in a subdir11:11
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LaserJocksistpoty: wow, elmo spam ;-)11:13
LaserJockwould replacing a b-d on xlibs-dev with the explicit packages be worth a merge?11:14
sistpotyLaserJock: sure11:14
sistpotyLaserJock: and for your question: sure... if we can have a package back autosynced, it's less work during next merges11:15
Kyralsistpoty: the sourcepack was made fine, and there was minimal lintian warnings11:16
sistpotyKyral: just taking a look at it...11:17
Kyralty11:17
KyralIts my first time using CDBS so I wasn't expecting it to go smoothly11:17
sistpotyKyral: but dpkg-source does it's job well... the mixed case dir from .orig.tar.gz is gpixpod-0.2.3/ after I do dpkg-source -x *dsc11:17
Kyralokay...then why didn't it find setup.py?11:17
LaserJockKyral: why wouldn't you expect CDBS to work?11:17
KyralLaserJock: I don't expect my first time doing anything to go smoothly ;P11:18
LaserJockoh, well that makes sense11:19
dolsoncan someone think of a simple example off the top of their heads that uses a .install file and dh_desktop?11:20
KyralEasyChem?11:20
KyralGTKEdit?11:20
dolsonthanks11:20
KyralI had to write those files from scratch for both ;P11:20
KyralActually I have to file a UVF Exception for GTKEdit...11:21
dolsonI just don't see anything about them in the DNMG and the man pages don't tell me what I need to know11:21
LaserJockdolson: as far as what?11:21
dolsonusing a .install file or dh_desktop11:21
Kyral.install is easy11:21
Kyralas is dh_desktop11:21
dolsonfor instance, the man page for dh_desktop says it doesn't install the .desktop files11:22
dolsonso I don't understand why to use it11:22
KyralYah you use dh_install11:22
Kyralbecause it registers them11:22
dolsonbut I don't know what that means... because my .desktop files show up in my menu when I install the package, even without using dh_desktop11:22
LaserJockdolson: it runs update-desktop-databse11:23
sistpotyKyral: if you just use debhelper.mk and python-distutils.mk in your makefile, it builds fine... might be either the variables you define or tarball.mk11:24
Kyralsistpoty: okay11:24
sistpotys/makefile/debian\/rules/11:24
KyralI'll try that after dinner11:24
Kyraland also simplepatchsys has to go11:24
Kyralsince I don't use it11:24
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KyralBut I found it odd that although I left all the .ex files in the package...lintian didn't pick up on them11:25
sistpotyKyral: lintian must leave some work for manual inspection :)11:26
Kyralsistpoty: I'm used to it complaing about that :P11:26
sistpoty*g*11:27
KyralI mean I knew they were there ;P11:27
sistpotyKyral: don't forget to run lintian on the generated debs as well... (and fix the issues there) ;)11:27
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Kyralsistpoty: I know my stuff. EasyChem wouldn't have wound up in Sid otherwise11:29
sistpoty:)11:29
KyralThat did it11:29
KyralBuilt fine in my PBuilder11:29
Kyralty sistpoty11:29
sistpotynp11:29
Kyral...gah I need to clean out my PBuilder Result dirs...11:30
KyralLintian is completely ignoring those .ex files, even with the built deb11:30
KyralDid cdbs remove them or something?11:31
sistpotythey aren't in the built deb ;)11:31
Kyralanyway I'll polish it later...I'm hungry11:31
sistpotycdbs didn't install them... (and neither debhelper), because they are called .ex and not anything else11:31
sistpotygood appetite11:31
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dholbachgood night guys - we'll have a ROCKING REVU DAY tomorrow!11:39
ajmitch_oh right, revu11:42
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LaserJockhmm, I was kinda hoping to help. I'll have to work on syncs/merges instead. :-)11:44
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sistpotyLaserJock: you can just post reviews to motu-reviewers list ;)11:48
ajmitch_eek, doko on the warpatj, dropping many python 2.3 packages11:48
ajmitch_s/patj/path/11:48
ajmitch_I wonder how many zope products might break now11:49
LaserJockajmitch_: zope uses a lot of 2.3?11:51
sistpotyajmitch_: btw.: what should packages, that used to depend on zope3 depend now? (and might there be issues?)11:51
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ajmitch_LaserJock: zope <= 2.8 only uses 2.311:52
ajmitch_sistpoty: huh?11:52
sistpotyajmitch_: oh, it's zope3 that has an unmet dependency... I just noticed zope3 being unmet in (at least one package)11:52
ajmitch_sistpoty: yes, it depends on python2.4-mechanize, which needs dragged in from sid11:53
sistpotyajmitch_: do you care about that? ;)11:53
sistpotys/care/take care/11:53
ajmitch_it's in main, so I could, I suppose11:54
ajmitch_though doko has been handling that side of things11:54
sistpotyah, k11:54
ajmitch_I think it's a sync for elmo to handle, after clearing it with mdz/kamion11:55
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