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[12:20] <dolson> if there is a bug in a package, and the latest version in Debian unstable fixes it without any changes needing to be made, then what is the process to request to get that into Dapper? The bug in question is #28560, package is freewheeling. it currently segfaults with the Dapper version
[12:23] <ajmitch_> as it doesn't break UVF, it should be no problem for someone to request a sync or merge the ubuntu changes in
[12:24] <dolson> the ubuntu changes are not needed, from what I can tell
[12:24] <dolson> Loic changed the build deps and that's all, and this is changed in Debian now from what I can see
[12:25] <dolson> so can I request a sync? or does someone else higher up have to do it?
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[12:27] <ajmitch_> a MOTU needs to
[12:27] <LaserJock> if you want a sync you can use our new wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SyncRequests
[12:29] <dolson> done.
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[12:33] <dolson> dholbach: hey, I just read your MOTU report. :)
[12:38] <dholbach> good night guys
[12:38] <LaserJock> cya dholbach
[12:38] <dholbach> bye LaserJock
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[12:41] <dolson> cya later
[12:43] <dsas> dolson = dana olsen?
[12:43] <dolson> olson, yeah
[12:44] <dsas> Are you the person who wrote mandrake tutorials years ago?
[12:44] <dolson> I deny everything!
[12:44] <dolson> I am innocent!
[12:44] <dolson> http://pgshopping.com/mdkxp is not my old site!
[12:44] <dsas> :D, You were a great help back when I was starting with Linux, thanks a lot.
[12:44] <dolson> Thanks! that means a lot to me.. and I'm glad to see you're on Ubuntu now :)
[12:45] <ajmitch_> how long ago was this?
[12:45] <dsas> Uhm five years ago, roughly.
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[12:45] <dolson> I started it in 2001 I think.. ended in 2003
[12:45] <ajmitch_> ah
[12:45] <dsas> I think it was when I was using mdk 7.2 or 8.0
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[12:45] <ajmitch_> hard to believe I've been on debian & now ubuntu for that long
[12:46] <dolson> I used to spend all my spare time helping people on MSN and AIM, and some people sent me free stuff like Mandrake manuals, Linux video games, one guy took me out for lunch, and one guy even sent me a free MP3 player
[12:46] <dolson> I had to sell the MP3 player because I wanted to get one that actually worked in Linux instead, heh
[12:47] <dsas> ha :D, oh well.
[12:47] <dsas> I posted on some forums occasionaly that you frequented too, mandrake-users.org or something.
[12:47] <dolson> dsas: so who are you? maybe I would recognize the name
[12:47] <dolson> yeah, I remember the good ol' MUB
[12:48] <fbond> dolson: pong
[12:48] <dolson> fbond: hey man.. do you have packages for linuxsampler?
[12:48] <fbond> ah... no ...
[12:48] <dsas> yeah the mub that was it. I was probably dean, sas or dsas back then too. (I've never been very creative with names)
[12:48] <fbond> i was thinking that would be a good idea, though
[12:48] <fbond> although i'll admit, i fell in love with NI Kontakt (non-free) a few years ago
[12:48] <fbond> and that runs using dssi-vst
[12:49] <dolson> fbond: do you wanna tackle it? I am slow
[12:49] <fbond> i'll see if i can get to it
[12:49] <dolson> it uses libs and stuff, and I'm not at that level yet
[12:49] <fbond> ok
[12:49] <fbond> what's the deadline for dapper again?
[12:49] <dolson> soon
[12:50] <dolson> :)
[12:50] <ajmitch_> for new packages? in about a week
[12:50] <fbond> yup ...
[12:50] <fbond> ok, thanks
[12:50] <fbond> anybody want to help me with a copyright file?
[12:51] <fbond> i have a package with three different licenses
[12:51] <dolson> ouch
[12:51] <fbond> (for different components)
[12:51] <fbond> yeah ... that's actually dssi
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[12:52] <fbond> is it okay to basically say "program xyz license\nlicense\n\nprogram abc license\nlicense text\n
[12:53] <fbond> takers?
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[12:57] <dolson> sorry man, I don't know.. is there anything about license stuff in the debian maintainer guide?
[12:58] <fbond> a bit, nothing complex, though
[12:59] <fbond> i'll check the debian policy manual
[01:01] <fbond> yeah, policy manual is not much help ... throwing all the copyrights in there makes sense to me
[01:02] <dolson> I guess I'd just do it and get it up to REVU and someone will correct you if it's wrong
[01:03] <fbond> yup
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[01:16] <Mez> ogra: ping
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[01:29] <dolson> ahahahahah http://www.flurl.com/featured/Scare_Your_Kid_1082.html
[01:38] <dsas> does anyone know the difference between eric and eric3 in the repos?
[01:39] <ajmitch_> one of them should have been removed
[01:39] <ajmitch_> I can't remember which :)
[01:40] <dsas> presumably eric3 it has an older revision number.
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[01:41] <dsas> I'll change the docs to reccomend eric then :)
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[03:12] <psusi> man that Joerg Schilling is a jackass
[03:12] <psusi> I wish that thread would die finally
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[03:15] <ajmitch_> and I don't know if I want to know :)
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[03:24] <odla> man xfce is messed up right now on dapper ;)
[03:30] <psusi> the completely massive thread on lkml over the last week or two where Joerg has basically been shooting his mouth off about how linux is broken because it does not conform to his world view of all scsi type devices being addressed with bus:device:lun numbers
[03:31] <ajmitch_> ah right
[03:31] <ajmitch_> I think everyone knows to ignore him anyway, or at least I could hope so :)
[03:31] <psusi> he has been soundly smacked down on everything he has had to say but he keeps dodging and repeating himself because he refuses to accept that /dev/cdrom is just as good if not better than scsi:1:2:0 and the kernel isn't going to change
[03:31] <psusi> well there's something like 1000 posts in the thread ;)
[03:32] <whiprush> psusi: it's been like that for like ... at least 5 years.
[03:32] <psusi> makes me wish they'd just ban the asshat
[03:32] <whiprush> hi aj
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[03:32] <whiprush> and hi jsgotangco
[03:33] <jsgotangco> jorge!!!!
[03:33] <jsgotangco> wow my fonts in dapper are crap
[03:33] <psusi> 0xDEADBEEF
[03:34] <whiprush> jsgotangco: try removing ttf-arphic-uming (worked for me)
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[03:41] <jsgotangco> hmm my connection drops
[03:41] <jsgotangco> race?
[04:05] <psusi> that's nice... a trusted CA, 'geotrust' issued an SSL certificate to a phisher for a credit union's web site.... it seems they don't perform any kind of verification when issuing certs beyond an automated script that checks if the domain name is similar to known banks, and a WHOIS
[04:06] <ajmitch_> psusi: and that's a fairly ftal problem with those 'trusted' CAs
[04:06] <psusi> ftal?
[04:06] <ajmitch_> s/ftal/fatal/
[04:06] <ajmitch_> sorry, lagged ssh :)
[04:06] <psusi> yea... when you trust someone to perform due dilligence, and they don't.. that's a problem
[04:06] <psusi> time to remove them from the list of trusted CAs
[04:07] <jsgotangco> yeah
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[06:06] <crimsun> heh, nice "Rent" quote in udev 079-0ubuntu11.
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[06:56] <LaserJock> ok, so what happens after Feature Freeze? only new ubuntuX versions?
[06:59] <crimsun> only new package revisions; no new versions
[06:59] <crimsun> only exceptions are kernel and gnome desktop
[07:00] <crimsun> (and of course anything meeting an uvf/ff exception)
[07:00] <LaserJock> so no new Debian versions? I'm not sure what the difference betwen revisions an version would be
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[07:04] <crimsun> revisions == packaging, or A.B.C-Y or A.B.C-YubuntuZ
[07:04] <crimsun> versions == A.B.C
[07:05] <LaserJock> but isn't that UVF
[07:05] <crimsun> yes. What isn't clear?
[07:06] <ajmitch_> feature freeze for us means no new packages
[07:06] <LaserJock> I'm talking about Feature Freeze
[07:06] <crimsun> we can NEW anything up until FF
[07:06] <ajmitch_> for main, it means no new features
[07:07] <LaserJock> so only new ubuntuX version not 0ubuntuX or upstream versons, correct?
[07:08] <ajmitch_> for us, it's generally the same as before
[07:08] <ajmitch_> with the exception that for dapper we're stopping accepting new packages off revu
[07:09] <LaserJock> ok
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[08:06] <dolson> geez, why doesn't debuild -S -sa see the .orig file?
[08:07] <minghua> dolson: it should
[08:07] <dolson> hmm, that time it did... that is weird
[08:07] <dolson> the first time it didn't and I haven't changed anything
[08:08] <dolson> very strange.. oh well, dput time
[08:17] <minghua> Mez: ping
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[08:53] <dholbach> good morning
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[09:23] <dolson> morning dholbach
[09:24] <dholbach> hey dolson
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[09:25] <dolson> I whipped up a script to check the breezy, dapper, and sid package lists against the list of apps that we think we need, and there are only 15 packages left that I or forest have not done yet
[09:28] <dolson> only one of the missing apps is in sid
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[09:30] <Gloubiboulga> morning
[09:31] <dolson> morning Gloubiboulga
[09:31] <Gloubiboulga> hey dolson
[09:35] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, hello!
[09:35] <dholbach> hey Gloubiboulga
[09:35] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, do you have some news about the Texmaker UVF exception ?
[09:35] <dholbach> it's all on the mailing list
[09:35] <Gloubiboulga> oh ok
[09:35] <dholbach> i requested it yesterday
[09:35] <dholbach> afaik
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[09:48] <dolson> dholbach: I've uploaded a couple more, and fixed the one you said to fix. working on another one now. this is fun. :)
[09:48] <dholbach> Cool.
[09:48] <dholbach> I'm currently quite busy with GNOME updates
[09:49] <dholbach> as soon as i get a break, i'll take a look
[09:49] <dolson> yeah, I noticed a whole whack of updates today
[09:49] <dolson> aww, thanks! will you be my valentine?!
[09:49] <dholbach> Sure. :-)
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[09:49] <dolson> hah, hope my wife doesn't mind
[09:50] <dolson> meh, she's visiting her mom right now anyhow, who cares
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[10:48] <dolson> another one bites the dust
[10:59] <viviersf> gyts
[10:59] <viviersf> * guys
[10:59] <viviersf> any1 have an idea why i cant setup a localle in a chroot ?
[11:02] <viviersf> ok nm
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[12:00] <dolson> aw crap, it's 6am :( bed time.
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[12:17] <sebest_> anyone using vmware-server on ubuntu breezy, i'm looking for libssl.so.4
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[12:21] <Yagisan> sebest_: have openssl installed ?
[12:23] <sebest_> Yagisan, yes
[12:23] <sebest_> i had to do a link :s
[12:24] <sebest_> to libssl.so.0.9.7
[12:24] <sebest_> the httpd from vmware-server webui needs libssl.so.4
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[12:27] <Yagisan> sebest_ I've never actually tried vmware sever, so I just took a guess. Hope it turns out well for you
[12:27] <sebest_> it's working
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[12:56] <tepsipakki> hey, I'd like to be able to comment on REVU, but the damn login still doesn't work for me (or, recovering the password)... I've had gtkpod-aac there for a while now
[12:58] <siretart> tepsipakki: what is your email?
[12:58] <tepsipakki> tja@iki.fi
[12:59] <tepsipakki> I can see the gpg-message, but there's nothing in it
[01:00] <siretart> not even a 'None'?
[01:02] <tepsipakki> well yes, but that apparently doesn't work
[01:03] <tepsipakki> are there any MOTUs who use VDR, or are in the debian vdr-team?
[01:03] <siretart> ok
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[01:05] <tepsipakki> the current version of VDR doesn't start when an UTF8-locale is in use.. the init-script needs to be hacked ;)
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[01:07] <siretart> tepsipakki: you're right, there went something really strange with your account
[01:07] <siretart> tepsipakki: what package did you upload?
[01:08] <tepsipakki> gtkpod-aac
[01:09] <tepsipakki> it's just that the freeze is upon us =)
[01:09] <tepsipakki> that package is for multiverse, I believe..
[01:10] <siretart> gnarf, you didn't use tja@iki.fi in your changelog, thats the problem
[01:10] <tepsipakki> oh? isn't that e-mail taken from the gpg-key?
[01:11] <siretart> well, you have several uids on your key, and I made some bad assumption which I wanted to fix in revu2
[01:11] <siretart> wenn I find time to code it, that is :/
[01:11] <siretart> I just mailed your pass to you, btw
[01:11] <siretart> check your email
[01:12] <tepsipakki> yes, thanks!
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[01:42] <siretart> crimsun: around?
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[02:42] <zakame> evening MOTUs
[02:44] <jpatrick> hello zakame
[02:44] <zakame> hello jpatrick :) how's everything?
[02:44] <jpatrick> fine :)
[02:45] <jpatrick> just trying to get kubuntu-es.org back up
[02:45] <jpatrick> you?
[02:46] <zakame> prepping up for a couple of talks this thursday, about FOSS and Linux, general stuff
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[06:10] <fbond> hello all
[06:10] <fbond> does anyone have time to build/review package dssi:
[06:10] <fbond> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1783
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[06:17] <jpatrick> fbond: wow, looks good to me
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[06:36] <fbond> jpatrick: thanks!
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[06:38] <fbond> does anyone have REVU admin access, and wants to build dssi?  sorry to pester, just got some other packages that i need to finish up and build-depend on dssi-dev
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[07:43] <LaserJock> man, it's quiet this morning
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[08:03] <seth|away> fbond, set up a local apt repository
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[09:19] <sistpoty> hi folks
[09:19] <jpatrick> hello
[09:26] <ompaul> there was a little note on the wiki about turning up in #motu if you thought you had an idea for improving ubuntu - so here goes - imagine a situation where the machine could be turned back to the way it was when it started, killing off all gnome configuration, all additional packages, and then it provides a list of packages that were removed to get to this state of post install- this would include removing all patches all packag
[09:26] <ompaul> es other than the base and reverting the .gnome2 for users to its original state
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[09:27] <ompaul> go back a kernel version or two interesting?
[09:29] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IdeaPool might be more appropriate or even better https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+addspec
[09:29] <dholbach> #ubuntu-motu is about maintaining the Universe component of Ubuntu
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[09:55] <Riddell> raphink: motu-reviewers mailing list?
[09:55] <raphink> yes Riddell
[09:55] <Riddell> where's that?
[09:55] <Riddell> hmm, the super secret tauware.de domain
[09:56] <raphink> haha
[09:56] <raphink> no its no secret
[09:56] <Riddell> is that advertised anywhere?
[09:56] <raphink> it's even advertised on the main page of REVU
[09:56] <LaserJock> yes, super secret, only sabdfl knows where it truely is ;-)
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[09:57] <dholbach> tauware.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/motu-reviewers
[09:57] <raphink> Riddell: on revu it says :
[09:57] <raphink> raphink@raphink.net      Pass: okioyouk     Login
[09:57] <raphink>  BREAKING NEWS:
[09:58] <Kyral> Is the issue about the boot sequence broken known?
[09:58] <Riddell> ahem
[09:58] <raphink>  The system now works and sends the notifications to motu-reviewers@tauware.de.
[09:58] <raphink> ooops
[09:58] <raphink> bad konqui
[09:58] <jpatrick> :/
[09:58] <raphink> huhu
[09:58] <Riddell> how the heck did konqi put a password in the clipboard?
[09:58] <raphink> ajmitch_: could you please change my REVU password :s ?
[09:58] <raphink> Riddell: good question ...
[09:59] <Riddell> that's quite a significant security issue
[09:59] <raphink> Riddell: indeed
[09:59] <raphink> Riddell: they were starts on the page though
[10:00] <Riddell> wow, it does it for me too
[10:00] <Riddell> that's insane
[10:01] <raphink> very insane Riddell
[10:01] <raphink> and I guess it works on all websites
[10:01] <raphink> this must be reported
[10:01] <raphink> all the more as konqui remembers passwords
[10:01] <Riddell> yes, checked on random other website, happens there too
[10:03] <Riddell> can't non MOTUs get commenting rights if they ask now?
[10:04] <LaserJock> well, I think they can but it would take a really good non-MOTU that has shown that they know what they are doing
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[10:05] <Riddell> allee would be a good example
[10:06] <Riddell> being a debian packager who likes to comment on revu packages
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[10:09] <sistpoty> Riddell: revu1 is just too messy to hack in comments from non-motu's... but if comments go to motu-reviewers, i usually post them on revu
[10:09] <dolson> dholbach: thanks for the reviews,  I will look up debian/install now and fix the packages asap
[10:09] <Riddell> right
[10:12] <dholbach> dolson: rock! :)
[10:12] <sistpoty> raphink: password updated
[10:12] <raphink> sistpoty: thanks
[10:12] <sistpoty> np
[10:12] <raphink> sistpoty: maybe I could learn to change passwords, since I'm a REVU admin :s
[10:12] <raphink> could be useful
[10:13] <LaserJock> lol, I guess I won't be putting any passwords in konqi for a while
[10:13] <sistpoty> raphink: in /srv/revu1/scripts see alter_user.py ;)
[10:13] <raphink> LaserJock: hehe
[10:13] <raphink> thanks sistpoty :=)
[10:13] <Riddell> I've never noticed this konq password clipboard issue, I wonder if it's a new problem
[10:13] <raphink> I'll havea look
[10:14] <sistpoty> (so I still do it directly in the database *g*)
[10:14] <sistpoty> s/so/though/
[10:22] <Kyral> LJ is going for MOTU?
[10:23] <LaserJock> Kyral: we will see
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[10:23] <Kyral> I feel so outta touch now
[10:24] <LaserJock> Kyral: don't worry I just decided to make a try
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[10:34] <LaserJock> hmm, that didn't go too bad, I guess
[10:35] <jpatrick> LaserJock: it's going quicker than mine
[10:36] <LaserJock> jpatrick: yeah, but you got +1s in the end ;-)
[10:36] <sistpoty> LaserJock: actually I thought you were a motu already :/... if I knew it earlier, I could have taken a look at some of your packages
[10:36] <sistpoty> :(
[10:36] <Spec> apt-cache showpkg <package> should show the package maintainer, right?
[10:36] <LaserJock> no problem, it was somewhat of a spur of the moment thing
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[10:37] <thesaltydog> who is in charge of synch-ing from debian?
[10:37] <jpatrick> LaserJock: I got the spanish inquisition
[10:37] <sistpoty> thesaltydog: elmo does the syncs... what package are you referring to?
[10:37] <ogra> and note we are in UVF ...
[10:38] <thesaltydog> few weeks ago I have fixed a bug on BUM, but maybe it came out on debian when dapper was already frozen
[10:38] <thesaltydog> malone bug 29831
[10:38] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29831 in bum "BUM leaves lock file around after failing to start" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29831
[10:42] <thesaltydog> if synching could be  a big problem, don't care.
[10:44] <sistpoty> thesaltydog: it's a new upstream release... I'll take a closer look (and will call for UVF-exception)
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[10:50] <thesaltydog> sorry but my line went down and I haven't got any answer.
[10:51] <sistpoty> thesaltydog: it's a new upstream version, so I'll need to request and UVF-exception... but I'm just taking a look at bum ;)
[10:52] <thesaltydog> sistpoty: thanks. As I said, if it is too much work, don't care. Users could download deb from my site...
[10:52] <thesaltydog> or from debian.
[10:53] <sistpoty> thesaltydog: if it's bugfixing, than it's just work that needs to be done anyway ;)
[10:53] <thesaltydog> ok. thanks!
[10:53] <sistpoty> thx for informing us ;)
[10:55] <thesaltydog> sistpoty: np.
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[10:57] <sistpoty> thesaltydog: lintian complains: "W: bum: menu-command-not-in-package /usr/share/menu/bum:4 /usr/bin/gksudo"... is this an issue? (I don't know anything about sudo menu entries actually...)
[10:58] <thesaltydog> sistpoty: no. bum starts with gksudo. This warning just came out now, and I don't know why. For sure I cannot include gksu in the package!
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[10:58] <phanatic> hi people
[10:59] <Kyral> hmm
[10:59] <Kyral> CDBS worked...
[10:59] <sistpoty> thesaltydog: yes, that for sure... but the menu entry changed from the last version: "command="/usr/sbin/su-to-root -X -c /usr/bin/bum"... (and I just don't know what should be there, that's what i mean)
[11:01] <thesaltydog> sistpoty: I have also tested with su-to-root, and the warning is still there. Putting gksudo in the menu is more standard then su-to-root, so I have changed.
[11:01] <Kyral> Why did I half expect CDBS to fail...
[11:01] <sistpoty> thesaltydog: ah, thanks
[11:03] <Kyral> ..gak...
[11:03] <Kyral> Its alright for me to modify the Orig tarball so that the dir inside is all lowercase right...
[11:03] <thesaltydog> goddnight sistpoty, and thanks again!
[11:04] <sistpoty> goodnight thesaltydog
[11:04] <sistpoty> Kyral: no
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[11:04] <sistpoty> Kyral: why would you need to change the .orig for that reason?
[11:04] <Kyral> dh_make complains if its not in lowercase, yet I cannot modify it
[11:05] <Kyral> because the build is expecting it in lowercase
[11:05] <Kyral> but it comes out of the orig in "normal"
[11:05] <sistpoty> Kyral: do you mean the root-dir of the orig-tarball?
[11:05] <Kyral> so the build fails
[11:05] <Kyral> yah
[11:06] <sistpoty> Kyral: that usually shouldn't be a problem... you can rename it, call dh_make and still have the orig.tar.gz unchanged... dpkg-source will usually take care to rename the root-dir correctly if the sourcepackage is extracted
[11:06] <Kyral> hmm
[11:06] <Kyral> I wonder why its failing then...
[11:07] <sistpoty> Kyral: do you have the package publicly available? then I might take a look
[11:08] <Kyral> yah I'll put it on my server
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[11:08] <Kyral> Keep in mind its no where near clean
[11:08] <Kyral> I make sure it builds first, then I clean it :D
[11:09] <sistpoty> Kyral: sure, I'll just take a look at it to get it building in the first place ;)
[11:09] <ajmitch_> hi
[11:10] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch_
[11:10] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch_
[11:11] <Kyral> http://azuredream.homelinux.org/aptwork/
[11:11] <Kyral> its in a subdir
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[11:13] <LaserJock> sistpoty: wow, elmo spam ;-)
[11:14] <LaserJock> would replacing a b-d on xlibs-dev with the explicit packages be worth a merge?
[11:14] <sistpoty> LaserJock: sure
[11:15] <sistpoty> LaserJock: and for your question: sure... if we can have a package back autosynced, it's less work during next merges
[11:16] <Kyral> sistpoty: the sourcepack was made fine, and there was minimal lintian warnings
[11:17] <sistpoty> Kyral: just taking a look at it...
[11:17] <Kyral> ty
[11:17] <Kyral> Its my first time using CDBS so I wasn't expecting it to go smoothly
[11:17] <sistpoty> Kyral: but dpkg-source does it's job well... the mixed case dir from .orig.tar.gz is gpixpod-0.2.3/ after I do dpkg-source -x *dsc
[11:17] <Kyral> okay...then why didn't it find setup.py?
[11:17] <LaserJock> Kyral: why wouldn't you expect CDBS to work?
[11:18] <Kyral> LaserJock: I don't expect my first time doing anything to go smoothly ;P
[11:19] <LaserJock> oh, well that makes sense
[11:20] <dolson> can someone think of a simple example off the top of their heads that uses a .install file and dh_desktop?
[11:20] <Kyral> EasyChem?
[11:20] <Kyral> GTKEdit?
[11:20] <dolson> thanks
[11:20] <Kyral> I had to write those files from scratch for both ;P
[11:21] <Kyral> Actually I have to file a UVF Exception for GTKEdit...
[11:21] <dolson> I just don't see anything about them in the DNMG and the man pages don't tell me what I need to know
[11:21] <LaserJock> dolson: as far as what?
[11:21] <dolson> using a .install file or dh_desktop
[11:21] <Kyral> .install is easy
[11:21] <Kyral> as is dh_desktop
[11:22] <dolson> for instance, the man page for dh_desktop says it doesn't install the .desktop files
[11:22] <dolson> so I don't understand why to use it
[11:22] <Kyral> Yah you use dh_install
[11:22] <Kyral> because it registers them
[11:22] <dolson> but I don't know what that means... because my .desktop files show up in my menu when I install the package, even without using dh_desktop
[11:23] <LaserJock> dolson: it runs update-desktop-databse
[11:24] <sistpoty> Kyral: if you just use debhelper.mk and python-distutils.mk in your makefile, it builds fine... might be either the variables you define or tarball.mk
[11:24] <Kyral> sistpoty: okay
[11:24] <sistpoty> s/makefile/debian\/rules/
[11:24] <Kyral> I'll try that after dinner
[11:24] <Kyral> and also simplepatchsys has to go
[11:24] <Kyral> since I don't use it
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[11:25] <Kyral> But I found it odd that although I left all the .ex files in the package...lintian didn't pick up on them
[11:26] <sistpoty> Kyral: lintian must leave some work for manual inspection :)
[11:26] <Kyral> sistpoty: I'm used to it complaing about that :P
[11:27] <sistpoty> *g*
[11:27] <Kyral> I mean I knew they were there ;P
[11:27] <sistpoty> Kyral: don't forget to run lintian on the generated debs as well... (and fix the issues there) ;)
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[11:29] <Kyral> sistpoty: I know my stuff. EasyChem wouldn't have wound up in Sid otherwise
[11:29] <sistpoty> :)
[11:29] <Kyral> That did it
[11:29] <Kyral> Built fine in my PBuilder
[11:29] <Kyral> ty sistpoty
[11:29] <sistpoty> np
[11:30] <Kyral> ...gah I need to clean out my PBuilder Result dirs...
[11:30] <Kyral> Lintian is completely ignoring those .ex files, even with the built deb
[11:31] <Kyral> Did cdbs remove them or something?
[11:31] <sistpoty> they aren't in the built deb ;)
[11:31] <Kyral> anyway I'll polish it later...I'm hungry
[11:31] <sistpoty> cdbs didn't install them... (and neither debhelper), because they are called .ex and not anything else
[11:31] <sistpoty> good appetite
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[11:39] <dholbach> good night guys - we'll have a ROCKING REVU DAY tomorrow!
[11:42] <ajmitch_> oh right, revu
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[11:44] <LaserJock> hmm, I was kinda hoping to help. I'll have to work on syncs/merges instead. :-)
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[11:48] <sistpoty> LaserJock: you can just post reviews to motu-reviewers list ;)
[11:48] <ajmitch_> eek, doko on the warpatj, dropping many python 2.3 packages
[11:48] <ajmitch_> s/patj/path/
[11:49] <ajmitch_> I wonder how many zope products might break now
[11:51] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: zope uses a lot of 2.3?
[11:51] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: btw.: what should packages, that used to depend on zope3 depend now? (and might there be issues?)
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[11:52] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: zope <= 2.8 only uses 2.3
[11:52] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: huh?
[11:52] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: oh, it's zope3 that has an unmet dependency... I just noticed zope3 being unmet in (at least one package)
[11:53] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: yes, it depends on python2.4-mechanize, which needs dragged in from sid
[11:53] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: do you care about that? ;)
[11:53] <sistpoty> s/care/take care/
[11:54] <ajmitch_> it's in main, so I could, I suppose
[11:54] <ajmitch_> though doko has been handling that side of things
[11:54] <sistpoty> ah, k
[11:55] <ajmitch_> I think it's a sync for elmo to handle, after clearing it with mdz/kamion
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