[12:01] <tiris> Great sources, thanks all. This will keep me going for a while.
[12:01] <Pygi> that docs is one of the best tech docs ever written, so if you wanna read :)
[02:42] <ealden> MarioMeyer: ping
[02:44] <MarioMeyer> pong
[02:46] <MarioMeyer> ealden,
[02:46] <Psi-Jack> saslpasswd2: generic failure <-- Why do I get this error, trying to create a password for a new user, using saslpasswd2 -c -a slapd <username> ?
[02:51] <Psi-Jack> Anyone here? ;)
[05:22] <fabbione> morning
[05:22] <MarioMeyer> morning
[05:23] <MarioMeyer> still night here though :P
[05:23] <nictuku> fabbione, hi
[05:24] <nictuku> fabbione, when you find some time could you please take a look at https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/nwu/trac.cgi ?
[05:26] <fabbione> nictuku: will try, but i am really busy
[05:26] <nictuku> ok. It's related to Network Wide Updates
[05:40] <spike> 'morning?
[05:41] <spike> fabbione: arent u on .dk timeframe?
[05:43] <fabbione> spike: yes
[05:49] <spike> eeer, 10 to 6am then, no?
[05:49] <spike> hey ubijtsa, getting ready for work? :)
[05:50] <ubijtsa> spike: just got up yeah :)
[05:50] <spike> how's you besides sleepy? :)
[05:51] <ubijtsa> breakfast now, and then a bath before driving 55 miles up to Aylesbury
[05:51] <ubijtsa> I'm alright.. raised my first ubuntu defect yesterday
[05:51] <ubijtsa> how's things with you then spike?
[05:53] <spike> ubijtsa: fine tnx, got back to .it to setup a new site for a customer, and now I'm kinda tripping around visiting friends before coming back home
[05:53] <spike> had 2 interviews yesterday for new jobs, wish me luck
[05:54] <ubijtsa> good luck (or should I say break a leg) :)
[05:56] <spike> ehehe, break a leg, first time I hear it
[05:56] <spike> any special way you reply to that?
[05:57] <ubijtsa> well, here in .uk they think it unlucky to wish someone luck for some things, so they tell them to break a leg instead, so they really will get the luck they wanted them to get
[05:57] <spike> yeah, same here
[05:57] <nictuku> lol
[05:58] <nictuku> only to some things?
[05:58] <ubijtsa> things get very complicated when you take superstition into account :)
[05:58] <spike> here they say something I'd roughly translate to "in wolf's mouth"
[05:58] <ubijtsa> nictuku: I'm not native so I am not entirely sure :)
[05:58] <spike> and u're supposed to reply "die"
[05:59] <spike> replying "tnx" will bring u *very* bad luck
[05:59] <nictuku> LOL
[05:59] <ubijtsa> spike: oookay, I'll try and remember that one :)
[06:00] <spike> there are "funny" variations, tho, like "in whale's ass", to which u reply "hope it wont fart" :)
[06:00] <spike> dont ask me where it comes from because I've no idea :)
[06:00] <ubijtsa> *loooool*
[06:01] <ubijtsa> pinochio story maybe :)
[06:02] <ubijtsa> that man is *SO* irritating at times
[06:16] <oliver_savage> Is there any reason that I wouldn't want to add "deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main" to sources.list? This is for an internet facing production server, I'm wanting to make sure mod_python, etc is patched.
[06:17] <LordHunter317> i cant' think of any reason you wouldn't want to have it.
[06:17] <fabbione> if your machine was properly connected to the internet at install time, that line would be automatically on
[06:17] <fabbione> otherwise it is commented
[06:17] <fabbione> and clearly you want it on
[06:21] <oliver_savage> it doesn't even appear, this was an install on a vps, so the host set it up, sources list only has "deb http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu breezy main
[06:21] <oliver_savage> " in sources.list. Thank you fabbione!
[08:05] <ruaok> hey ho. anyone awake?
[08:05] <ruaok> I'm trying to install breezy onto system with an i2o controller and I get a kernel panic when the installer loads.
[08:06] <ruaok> anyone know of a workaround?
[08:06] <ruaok> this is for a production system, otherwise I'd try dapper
[10:58] <ubijtsa2> ruaok: this is a dpt_i2o controller?
[10:59] <ubijtsa2> ruaok: like an Adaptec 2100S ?
[11:00] <ubijtsa2> ruaok: if that is the case, you'll either have to use Hoary or Dapper. Breezy is (completely broken|not working) for dpt_i2o.
[11:04] <spike> who was using openqrm in here?
[11:04] <spike> I remember someone asking for it to being included into ubuntu-server, but cant remember the nickname
[11:04] <spike> I'm looking at it, but it's not very clear how it operates and I was wondering if anybody could offer some quick overview
[11:34] <spike> ubijtsa: you there?
[11:34] <spike> ubijtsa2: 2 maybe :)
[11:35] <ubijtsa2> aye
[11:35] <spike> can I query you?
[11:35] <ubijtsa2> schure
[11:35] <ubijtsa2> go ahead :)
[11:35] <spike> tnx
[11:38] <ubijtsa2> spike: query as in 'nmap' or?
[11:38] <spike> no, query as private message
[11:39] <spike> ubijtsa2: cant you read what I wrote? u should have some text from me somewhere
[11:39] <spike> either a new window or server message buffer (iirc u were using irssi,no?)
[11:42] <ubijtsa2> I use kontact
[11:42] <spike> uhm, well, whatever, u should have my stuff somewhere
[11:42] <ubijtsa2> and I seem not to be allowed to send private messages by freenode :(
[11:43] <spike> oh, ubijtsa2 is probably not registered, that's why
[11:43] <ubijtsa2> I can read it.. just can't answer
[11:43] <ubijtsa2> spike: you have jabber?
[11:43] <spike> since they switched to hyperion an anti-spam filter has been introduced so only identified users can send pvt msgs
[11:44] <ubijtsa2> ah
[11:44] <spike> ubijtsa2: /j #spikelab
[04:55] <Pygi> fabbione: ping
[05:43] <Psi-Jack> What is a very lightweight httpd that I could install to temporarily direct /every/ hit to one single .html file, regardless of the URI?
[05:44] <spike> Psi-Jack: thttpd?
[05:44] <Psi-Jack> Can thttpd actually rewrite, or at least redirect all URI's to one file?
[05:46] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, thttpd has it's own mod_rewrite?
[05:46] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm,. No, I was apparently thinking lighthttpd==thttpd, which it's not.
[05:46] <spike> Psi-Jack: yes, it's called redirect, a small cgi
[05:47] <spike> nope, those are different things. lighthttpd is indeed light too and very fast for static page serving
[05:48] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, and no package for ubuntu for lighthttpd, either. ;)
[05:48] <Psi-Jack> So, thttpd might just do the trick.
[05:48] <Psi-Jack> Oh wait.
[05:48] <Psi-Jack> Does thttpd let you define errorpages?
[05:49] <spike> Psi-Jack: yes
[05:49] <Psi-Jack> Basically, I'm making a temporary non-apache server to handle temporarilly unavailable service.
[05:50] <spike> Psi-Jack: consider that http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/thttpd_man.html has on its main bar the following topics: url rewriting, error codes
[05:52] <Psi-Jack> Hmm. How about possibly making it also send the errorcode for temporary unavailable?
[05:53] <Psi-Jack> Basically, sending a 503
[06:06] <Psi-Jack> Urgh.
[06:06] <Psi-Jack> Just to change GENERATE_INDEXES, it requires changing the config.h and re-compiling thttpd? :/
[06:29] <anto9us> does dovecot dictate whether to use maildir/mbox formats or should it be set to match the configuration as dictated elsewhere?
[06:29] <Psi-Jack> Doesn't dovecot only use Maildir?
[06:29] <anto9us> it supports both
[06:29] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[06:30] <anto9us> I'd like to set my system to use Maildir, where is that normailly done, should dovecot do that?
[06:30] <Psi-Jack> Well, that's up to your MTA, or MDA actually.
[06:30] <anto9us> what's the default mda in breezy?
[06:30] <Psi-Jack> But, yes, Dovecot will obviously need to be configured accordingly.
[06:31] <Psi-Jack> There is none.
[06:31] <Psi-Jack> An MDA would be something like procmail, lmtpd, cyrus-imapd, or what-not. What actually handles the DELIVERY from MTA to the final mailbox storage.
[06:32] <anto9us> I see, the jigsaw is making a picture now, thanks
[06:32] <Psi-Jack> MTA == Mail Transfer Agent.. Essentially, the SMTP server. MDA is the Mail Delivery Agent. Often not used, but can be used to setup a medium of how to handle actual delivery.
[06:32] <LordHunter317> if you're using postfix, which is the default MTA when you install one, you configure it there.
[06:32] <LordHunter317> as for davecot, I believe it can use both ,but I could be wrong.
[06:32] <LordHunter317> I know courier only uses maildir.
[06:33] <anto9us> I'm going with postfix
[06:33] <LordHunter317> fwiw though, if you use procmail as well, you need to, as Psi-Jack said, configure procmail to do maildir delivery.
[06:33] <Psi-Jack> I personally recommend the use of LMTP MDA transport. ;)
[06:34] <anto9us> Psi-Jack, why?
[06:34] <Psi-Jack> But, that's because I setup small-to-huge scale mailservers. And LMTP is an excelent protocol for handling such things.
[06:35] <LordHunter317> hwy would you use LMTP unless your MDA only understands LMTP or SMTP?
[06:35] <anto9us> Psi-Jack, well this is my desktop/server at home which will be a failover for work so scalability is important
[06:35] <LordHunter317> if your mailserver has direct disk access to the mailboxes, use procmail or something else that delivers the message directly.
[06:37] <anto9us> all the services will be local to the machine
[06:37] <Psi-Jack> And I stronly advice against procmail, myself. It's outlived it's usefulness. ;)
[06:37] <LordHunter317> compared to?
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> Compared to sieve, actually.
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> I believe sieve will become the new standard of mail filtering.
[06:40] <anto9us> Psi-Jack, the one in mailutils package?
[06:41] <Psi-Jack> eh?
[06:42] <Psi-Jack> Oh, lemme check.
[06:42] <anto9us> This package contains the GNU mailutils versions of dotlock, frm, from
[06:42] <anto9us> guimb, mail, messages, movemail, readmsg and sieve. They are capable
[06:42] <anto9us> of speaking POP3, IMAP, mbox, MH and Maildir.
[06:42] <Psi-Jack> Oh, could be. ;)
[06:43] <anto9us> it's also in cyrus mail system
[06:43] <Psi-Jack> I'm not honestly familiar with mailutils yet. But I will be.
[06:43] <Psi-Jack> anto9us: Correct. Which is what I personally use.
[06:43] <Psi-Jack> Cyrus made sieve.
[06:44] <Psi-Jack> I'm writing, practically, a book about small to large scale, clusterable servers, which will involve how to setup, mysql, postgresql, or ldap-backed clustered servers, using various MTAs and MDAs to handle everything. :)
[06:46] <Psi-Jack> And actually, I should say, cyrus made the sieve library, and definition of it.
[06:46] <anto9us> Psi-Jack, is cyrus complicated to set up? what I want is an email server setup to support several domains with local delivery, imap support and external access
[06:47] <Psi-Jack> anto9us: Postfix and Cyrus-IMAPD actually work rather quite well with each other. Especially since both postfix and cyrus-imapd share the same cyrus-sasl authentication library. But, cyrus-imapd itself, is a bit complicated to setup, initially. It does not store mail in Maildir, mbox, or MH format, it uses it's own berkely-db-capable indexed mailbox storage,.
[06:48] <anto9us> well, I suppose maildir is not critical I just read it was a better option than mbox
[06:48] <Psi-Jack> But, mind you, it does provide IMAP and POP3 retrieval protocols, and LMTP to insert mail. :)_
[06:49] <Psi-Jack> Maildir is definately a MUCH better method than mbox, but it's with it's own problems. There no "standard" means to handle quotas.
[06:50] <anto9us> I'll definitely be running postgresql, if that's a factor anywhere
[06:50] <Psi-Jack> And in fact. The worst thing about Maildir and the implemented sum of methods to handle quotas, revolves around the Maildir message filenames to set the filenames to include each message's content size, in ocets, and to bulk them all up adding that filename-based value together to get the total storage amount used.
[06:51] <anto9us> I'll also possibly run ldap, if I can get my head around it
[06:51] <Psi-Jack> Hehe.
[06:52] <Psi-Jack> Choose one. I don't recommend mixing them, in the overall scheme of things. :)
[06:52] <anto9us> postgresql in place of ldap?
[06:53] <Psi-Jack> postgresql is a very good rdbm, and can in fact, handle quite a serious load if it has to, but depending on the load it'll have, there are times you will absolutely have to run it on a dedicated machine JUST for postgresql.
[06:53] <LordHunter317> what are you intended for using postgres for?
[06:53] <Psi-Jack> Course, this is common for /any/ SQL server. :)
[06:54] <anto9us> postgresql for multiple database applications including the entire UK eroll which is seperated into distinct tables for each postcode
[06:54] <LordHunter317> what?
[06:55] <anto9us> postgresql to store data for web applications run on zope
[06:56] <anto9us> as well as allowing odbc access from gui clients
[06:56] <LordHunter317> as a rule, web and mail shouldn't be mixed where possibile, and if your sites are busy for either, you'll want a dedicated DB server.
[06:56] <Psi-Jack> Right, Which is where LDAP holds a strong-point. ;)
[06:57] <anto9us> it's unlikely to exceed more than 20 concurrent users
[06:57] <LordHunter317> Psi-Jack: for authentication and such, sure ;)
[06:57] <anto9us> both machines are raid setups with 2 gigs of ram
[06:57] <Psi-Jack> LordHunter317: Authentications, mailRouting, Accounts, and much more.
[06:57] <anto9us> ie. server in work and at home
[06:58] <LordHunter317> Psi-Jack: i meant in the most generic sense.
[06:58] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
[06:58] <Psi-Jack> Like I said, I do small to HUGE scale servers. :)
[06:59] <LordHunter317> you still won't be storing the actual mail in LDAP, which is sorta what I was alluding to.
[06:59] <anto9us> LordHunter317, I do plan to balance the load with dedicated servers later, yes
[06:59] <Psi-Jack> True. :)
[06:59] <Psi-Jack> Then there's dbmail, if you want to actually physically store the mail inside an SQL server. :)
[06:59] <LordHunter317> Thouse Exchange manages to get by with JET, so i suppose it's not impossible.
[06:59] <LordHunter317> i mean, if it can do JET, I bet Ican do OpenLDAP.
[07:00] <anto9us> I think storing as much as I can in postgresql makes backups easier
[07:00] <LordHunter317> yes and no.
[07:00] <LordHunter317> mailservers are still tricky to get a reliable backup of.
[07:00] <LordHunter317> meaning, fully consistent.
[07:00] <anto9us> daily full backup, not going to bother with incremental
[07:01] <Psi-Jack> LordHunter317: Another thing my docs I'm writing will address. ;)
[07:01] <Psi-Jack> Combining DNS, replicating SQL/LDAP servers, and mailbox storage containers.
[07:02] <LordHunter317> sad how immature postgres' replication is.
[07:03] <Psi-Jack> Unlike IBM's "Self-Healing Technology", my own implementation will just plain work from redundancy and duplication, and providing that accross a wide scale. :)
[07:03] <anto9us> LordHunter317, that's something else I was looking at, although, all I need is to back up to the failover
[07:03] <LordHunter317> well, slony-1 can push data to a backup.
[07:03] <LordHunter317> it's the rest of the solution that's immature.
[07:05] <anto9us> I was just going to write a cron scipt to run pg_dump, connecting to both servers
[07:07] <Psi-Jack> anto9us: Let me give you some pointers:
[07:07] <anto9us> so, postgresql mail storage and authentication is possible?
[07:07] <Psi-Jack> First of all, use PostgreSQL only for user information: This means, usernames, passwords, and such. Depending on your choices, this will also include the mailbox location.
[07:08] <anto9us> ok
[07:08] <Psi-Jack> Unless you are going to use dbmail, storing mail itself into SQL is not gonna happen. :)
[07:08] <anto9us> dbmail is in the repos
[07:08] <LordHunter317> and if you're going to do LDAP down the road, skip postgres for auth now and just setup LDAP.
[07:09] <LordHunter317> you're saving yourself a migration and probably a second trip to the ER for alcohol poisioning.
[07:09] <Psi-Jack> hehehehe
[07:09] <anto9us> :)
[07:09] <Psi-Jack> anto9us: dbmail is indeed, a very nice IMAP/POP3 server, which is being commercially developed, and made opensource.
[07:09] <Psi-Jack> BUT.
[07:09] <Psi-Jack> It's still not quite mature enough for 100% reliable use, depending on how you use it.
[07:10] <Psi-Jack> They're still working on getting some things working, such as libsieve mail filtering, and lmtp.
[07:10] <anto9us> imap is the most important thing to me, people will be accessing email from several machines/locations
[07:11] <Psi-Jack> anto9us: Do you need/want shared mailbox capabilities?
[07:11] <anto9us> some email addresses will need to go to several people
[07:11] <Psi-Jack> That wasn't what I meant. :)
[07:12] <anto9us> what's a shared mailbox?
[07:12] <Psi-Jack> That's another thing, though, you can use SQL/LDAP to handle mailbox/domain aliasing.
[07:12] <anto9us> I'm not going to get this set up tonight am I?
[07:12] <anto9us> :)
[07:12] <Psi-Jack> But, I mean, actual Mailbox sharing. Multiple users being able to read from the same shared mailbox. Wether it's the user's own setting to allow it, or a global shared mailbox.
[07:13] <Psi-Jack> anto9us: Probably not, not if you want to do it right. ;)
[07:13] <Psi-Jack> The first time.
[07:13] <anto9us> Psi-Jack, shared mailboxes won't be required
[07:15] <Psi-Jack> Okay, then you just opened yourself up to pretty much any mailstorage system. Dovecot, Courier-IMAP, Cyrus-IMAPD, dbmail, etc.
[07:15] <Psi-Jack> How about user-definable mail-filtering rules?
[07:16] <anto9us> that can be configured in the client can't it? thunderbird/evolution
[07:16] <Psi-Jack> I meant server-side.
[07:17] <anto9us> that's extra work for me, I'll leave it to the user
[07:17] <Psi-Jack> If you're going for IMAP, and you want filtering rules, you /want/ it server-side.
[07:17] <anto9us> how would the user configure the server side filtering?
[07:18] <Psi-Jack> If you used Cyrus-IMAPD, there's actually a SquirrelMail plugin to work with making SIEVE scripts, very easily to the user. :)
[07:18] <anto9us> I think the client can do it
[07:19] <anto9us> ok, a bit more traffic but I'm not worried about that
[07:19] <Psi-Jack> Heh, your choice. :)
[07:20] <anto9us> I want to limit the number of components as much as possible for both me and the user
[07:20] <Psi-Jack> Heh. Postfix + Cyrus-IMAPD + PostgreSQL + SquirrelMail is too many components? :)
[07:21] <anto9us> let me look at squirrelmail, brb
[07:23] <Psi-Jack> Quite possibly the best webmail engine out there. Course that's my own opinion. :)
[07:26] <anto9us> I wasn't planning on running a web server other than zope but I think ssl might be a good thing to have so that will probably be apache rewrites, ok, squirrelmail it is
[07:27] <Psi-Jack> Zope is one beast I will never understand. heh
[07:27] <anto9us> yeah, I'm barely guessing my way through it :)
[07:28] <anto9us> fact is, I know how to put up web forms and integrate postgresql with it
[07:28] <Psi-Jack> Well, if you want an easy-to-setup quick escape for postfix+cyrus-imapd, look into WebCyradm.
[07:29] <Psi-Jack> It does handle virtual domains and virtual users. And automatically creates mailboxes within cyrus-imapd when working with it.
[07:30] <anto9us> it's a front-end configuration tool, yes?
[07:30] <Psi-Jack> Web-based front-end configuration tool, yes.
[07:31] <Psi-Jack> Made, I think, in PHP, just like SquirrelMail.
[07:31] <anto9us> what about webmin interfaces, any good?
[07:31] <Psi-Jack> I can't comment on webmin interfaces. I haven't researched webmin enough, yet, for my book. :)
[07:32] <anto9us> is your book ubuntu oriented?
[07:32] <Psi-Jack> Specifically, no. It will cover generalizations, nothing Linux or Distribution specific.
[07:33] <Psi-Jack> Basically, it'll cover BSD, Linux, Solaris, etc. Whatever OS's have the capabilities. Which is pretty much anything Non-Windows. :)
[07:34] <anto9us> is it part of an academic project?
[07:34] <Psi-Jack> Nope. Personal project.
[07:35] <anto9us> how are you going to publish it?
[07:35] <Psi-Jack> I have helped people on IRC for a great many years. And throughout those many years, I have learned some of the most useful knowledges, which is basically part of this book. ;)
[07:35] <Psi-Jack> How? Hmmm. Open Document? :}
[07:36] <anto9us> Psi-Jack, yes, I've learned a lot by advisinig people, in my limited capacity, in #ubuntu
[07:36] <Psi-Jack> It's something that'll be free, open, and publically available. With only one wish: If you like it, and you use it, donate. :)
[07:37] <anto9us> nice philosophy, I think people do like to be honourable
[07:37] <Psi-Jack> I just need to figure out what kind of license to "market" it as, so that it can't be used by publishers or authors writing their own books, to use my own material.
[07:38] <anto9us> creative-commons
[07:38] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, good idea!
[07:38] <anto9us> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_commons
[07:41] <Psi-Jack> Hrmm, the CCL NonCommercial is probably the best fitting.
[07:45] <anto9us> you can reserve more rights than with other licenses, it's actually been criticised for that
[07:46] <Psi-Jack> SOLD on Creative-Commons NonCommercial, especially since it's exactly what I want, plus Google even has a specific search engine for it. :)
[07:46] <anto9us> yeah, there's a number tools for searching creative commons content
[07:46] <anto9us> yahoo has one too
[07:47] <Psi-Jack> Seems to be one of the most flexible, multi-tier licensing arrangements.
[07:54] <anto9us> when are you likely to publish?
[07:55] <Psi-Jack> Heh. It may be a couple months, yet.
[07:55] <Psi-Jack> Writing a book is not exactly one of my strongest fortes. ;}
[07:55] <anto9us> you could feasibly publish before it's complete and welcome some feedback
[07:55] <Psi-Jack> That is one thing I'd planned on doing, is progressively publishing it.
[07:56] <anto9us> get an outline up for the incomplete parts
[07:58] <anto9us> what do you think to this setup? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MailServer
[07:59] <Psi-Jack> Looks like a good wiki, actually, at first glance.
[08:00] <anto9us> apparenly we make our decisions as to what is a good/bad website in just a few milliseconds, a scientific study has shown that
[08:01] <anto9us> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4616700.stm
[08:01] <Psi-Jack> Heh yep.
[08:01] <Psi-Jack> I've seen that over the many years. :)
[08:02] <anto9us> social engineering is just as important as any other kind
[08:03] <Psi-Jack> Hey, can I get a quick favor from ya? :)
[08:03] <anto9us> what's that?
[08:04] <Psi-Jack> I need you to hit www.furreville.net and tell me if it's giving you "Service Currently Down" or not.
[08:04] <anto9us> service currently down
[08:04] <Psi-Jack> Perfect.
[08:05] <Psi-Jack> And you get a thttpd footer, yes?
[08:05] <anto9us> yes
[08:06] <Psi-Jack> Okay. Good. Wanted to make sure, and didn't wanna have to get JAP to test it myself real quick. ;}
[08:06] <Psi-Jack> Bout to move that frackin server to Kubuntu, instead of continuing to do it using Gentoo. heh
[08:07] <Psi-Jack> I got tired of rebuilding cyrus-sasl and openldap to try to get it all to properly do a full SASL LDAPv3 bind, when it wouldn't even use an ldap DN to authenticate too. Something's seriously broken in Gentoo's ebuilds for openldap or cyrus-sasl causing it to just plain not work.
[08:08] <anto9us> it's quite easy to sync 2 ldap servers, yes?
[08:08] <Psi-Jack> Actually, yes. Using slurp
[08:09] <Psi-Jack> You setup one master, and you slurp it to any number of clients.
[08:09] <anto9us> I'm still in 2 minds about whether to use postgresql for auth or storage
[08:09] <anto9us> or is that 4 minds?
[08:09] <Psi-Jack> Hehehe
[08:10] <Psi-Jack> I like my own personal setup. It's a bit heavy on the CPU of all the machines it works with, but it does sooo much. ;)
[08:10] <anto9us> each of the servers is 2Ghz
[08:11] <Psi-Jack> server-side mail filtering, shared mailboxes with user-definately ACLs for each within their own domain, SpamAssassin detection with a bayesian learning, anti-virus checking, and SPL.
[08:12] <anto9us> how long does it take you to set something like that up?
[08:13] <Psi-Jack> With the know-how, roughly a couple hours at most. ;)
[08:13] <Psi-Jack> With my book, and seperating out specific catagories of interest, it'll be about the same, I'd imagine.
[08:13] <anto9us> user-defined ACL, they can log in and change username/passwords?
[08:14] <Psi-Jack> anto9us: ACL == Access Control List. (but yes, they can login and change their username/password from SquirrelMail, too). The ACLs allow them, within SquirrelMail, to make specific mailboxes of their own, allow other users within their domain to access it. Wether read-only, or even write/delete access. Their choice.
[08:15] <anto9us> squirrelmail is intuitive for users?
[08:16] <Psi-Jack> It itself is, yes. With the plugins, makes it versatile. ;)
[08:17] <Psi-Jack> Aww man.. :/
[08:17] <Psi-Jack> Thjere's no mysql 5 packages in ubuntu. :(
[08:21] <anto9us> it's in dapper
[08:22] <Psi-Jack> Damnit. :/
[08:22] <anto9us> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/misc/mysql-server
[08:22] <Psi-Jack> Guess I could always... Use the deb-src. heh
[08:27] <anto9us> so, If I go postfix/maildir/dovecot, other than authintication stuff all I need to do is tell postfix to where to push them and dovecot where to pull them, right?
[08:32] <Psi-Jack> Correct.
[08:33] <Psi-Jack> Anyway. I've gotta run, and start building my new server back up. \
[08:35] <anto9us> thanks for the tips :)
[10:58] <Pygi> fabbione: ping
[11:00] <nictuku> fabbione, hi. Did you find some time to take a look at nwu?
[11:03] <nictuku> it's in https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/nwu/trac.cgi/ =)
[11:05] <Pygi> nictuku: seems he is not around currently
[11:06] <nictuku> indeed 3 hours idle
[11:07] <MarioMeyer> heya chara :P
[11:07] <Pygi> hello chara :P what's up?
[11:08] <nictuku> hehe xar!
[11:08] <MarioMeyer> trying to package a dependency of NWU :P
[11:09] <Pygi> chara: AH :)
[11:09] <Pygi> trying to think of a slogan currently :p
[11:09] <nictuku> slogan for what?
[11:10] <MarioMeyer> heya.. ajmitch_ back :P
[11:10] <ajmitch_> yes?
[11:10] <MarioMeyer> i made the setup.py for that app i wanted to create :P
[11:10] <ajmitch_> ok
[11:11] <MarioMeyer> how should i procede?
[11:11] <nictuku> are you paying for these packaging classes with ajmitch_ ?
[11:11] <nictuku> hehe
[11:11] <MarioMeyer> lol
[11:11] <Pygi> nictuku: my IM application :)
[11:13] <nictuku> I have a great idea. "Instant message, now!". Genious, isn't it?
[11:13] <MarioMeyer> lol
[11:13] <MarioMeyer> superb, nictuku
[11:14] <Pygi> bah, no comment :P
[11:14] <nictuku> MarioMeyer, you lack common sense. You don't count.
[11:14] <Pygi> lol :)
[11:14] <nictuku> I mean, you're not sensible enough
[11:14] <nictuku> hehe
[11:15] <MarioMeyer> lol
[11:15] <nictuku> also called "most unwanted collaboration"
[11:20] <MarioMeyer> https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial/CDBS#line-791
[11:20] <MarioMeyer> is this a good example?