[12:56] <bob> hmm, i just tried to update to dapper to sort evreything out... and it's got worse. :(
[12:57] <bob> and the ltsp clients still display 'breezy badger'.. hmm.
[01:00] <bob> any ideas on what i could be missing? someone said something about installing _heldback_, but it doesnt seem to be there...
[05:40] <mhz> jsgotangco: ping
[06:11] <jsgotangco> mhz, hi
[06:14] <mhz> jsgotangco: are we having today's meeting?
[06:14] <jsgotangco> i guess so, its already automatic right?
[06:14] <jsgotangco> its not an issue for me because the meeting times here is only 8pm on my side
[06:15] <mhz> jsgotangco: well, yeah, every week
[06:15] <mhz> but I heard JaneW was sick yesterday
[06:16] <mhz> at least that's what ogra told me
[06:16] <jsgotangco> we'll just see
[06:16] <mhz> for me it is important because that means I have to set the alamr clock :D
[07:53] <JaneW> hi all
[07:53] <JaneW> we will have the meeting today
[07:53] <JaneW> at 12:00 UTC as usual
[08:48] <TOZTWO> =)
[08:51] <jsgotangco> ok i'll try to think of an excuse 
[10:31] <alejandro> ogra, have you tested LTSP in environments with a Solaris dhcp server?
[10:32] <ogra> alejandro, nope
[10:32] <ogra> i dont have any solaris machines around to test it ...
[10:32] <ogra> whats wrong ? 
[10:33] <alejandro>  it loads the kernel image but it doesnt mount the NFS partition (saying not root path specified, and the root path is configured as /opt/ltsp/i386 in the solaris dhcp server)
[10:53] <ogra> alejandro, which version of dhcpd does solaris use ? 
[10:54] <ogra> and is this dapper or breezy ? 
[11:09] <alejandro> ogra, they use their own dhcp server
[11:09] <alejandro> ogra, and I'm testing with breezy
[11:10] <alejandro> it's not a problem in the distribution because working with a dhcp server in linux, works fine.
[11:10] <ogra> i cant help you much if i dont know to which version their dhcpd is compatible ... 
[11:11] <ogra> do you get an ip for rootserver in the bootprocess ? 
[11:11] <ogra> or is this field zeroed out ?
[11:12] <alejandro> no, it doesnt get an ip
[11:12] <alejandro> when it asks dhcp again and mount NFS with the rootpath
[11:13] <alejandro> just says, no root-path
[11:13] <alejandro> in Solaris dhcp server you have to use SrootPTH, so I dont understand why its not working
[11:14] <ogra> above that message there is a list of data ... one says "rootserver: "
[11:14] <ogra> its either 0.0.0.0 or a correct ip
[11:15] <alejandro> yes, rootserver: server address, but it doesnt take the root path from dhcp server, so i dont see such message using the solaris dhcp server
[11:16] <alejandro> with Ubuntu works fine
[11:18] <ogra> ok, probably the root-path directive is named differently in solaris ...
[11:18] <ogra> another option would be to set it like: ip-address:/path/...
[11:19] <mhz> ogra: morning
[11:19] <ogra> hi
[11:19] <mhz> ogra: are we having meeting today?
[11:19] <ogra> i guess so ...
[11:19] <mhz> cool
[11:19] <ogra> JaneW, ?? ^^^^
[11:20] <JaneW> yes we are
[11:20] <mhz> JaneW: !! feeling better???
[11:20] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Dev Update meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in +- 1h40mins
[11:20] <JaneW> mhz: yes getting there thanks
[11:20] <mhz> NOTICE: Nor ogra NOR JaneW can get sick
[11:20] <mhz> :D
[11:21] <JaneW> mhz: you got a response from mark yet?
[11:21] <mhz> none
[11:21] <JaneW> hmmm
[11:21] <mhz> I dont even know if he reads my emails
[11:21] <JaneW> he is still travelling
[11:22] <mhz> It's a real torture every time I read "From" column.. Mark Shuttleworth, "Subject" ...(oh not for me)
[11:22] <mhz> :D
[11:24] <JaneW> the thing is though the number of 'please come to our event - we'll pay your expenses' he gets are quite high...
[11:24] <jsgotangco> see you guys later
[11:25] <JaneW> but the amount of 'please come to and/or pay for xyz' it truly astounding...
[11:25] <jsgotangco> wow
[11:25] <jsgotangco> pay for xyz
[11:25] <jsgotangco> dear mark
[11:25] <jsgotangco> please pay for the completion of edubuntu cookbook
[11:25] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:25] <jsgotangco> joke
[11:25] <JaneW> LOL
[11:25] <jsgotangco> i gotta go get dinner
[11:25] <JaneW> good one
[11:25] <jsgotangco> see you later
[11:26] <JaneW> k, enjoy
[11:28] <mhz> JaneW: yeah, I understand, I hope he sees how serious we are on this project and that we dont want to keep his money in our pockets.
[11:28] <jsgotangco> JaneW, seriously though, i think i can pull off a 5 page quickguide for edubuntu before april
[11:28] <jsgotangco> if the cookbook doesn't happen
[11:28] <ogra> that'd be really cool ...
[11:29] <jsgotangco> just a small guide to make it work
[11:29] <mhz> jsgotangco: and I can help you
[11:29] <JaneW> jsgotangco: \0/
[11:29] <JaneW> mhz: |o|
[11:29] <jsgotangco> mhz, let's create a simple TOC in the wiki later
[11:29] <mhz> ;)
[11:29] <JaneW> ogra: \o|
[11:30] <mhz> jsgotangco: but wouln't be stepping on others work
[11:30] <mhz> +we
[11:31] <ogra> heh, seems we have windows support in ltsp now http://www.suares.an/Kubuntu_LTSP_Win4Lin
[11:31] <mhz> .oO(edubuntu quickie?)
[11:33] <jsgotangco> mhz, sure but i want something in the distro after dapper 4
[11:33] <jsgotangco> i mean flight 4
[11:33] <jsgotangco> we just finished the makefile for the edubuntu doc in svn
[11:33] <mhz> jsgotangco: ok, I see your point
[11:33] <jsgotangco> doc.ubuntu.com will have edubuntu previews in a few hours
[11:34] <jsgotangco> which will then be transferred to help.ubuntu.com
[11:34] <mhz> jsgotangco: ok, go have dinner and ping me once you get back so we can chat a few minutes b4 meeting, please
[11:34] <jsgotangco> ok
[11:34] <jsgotangco> cheers
[11:34] <jsgotangco> later
[11:34] <mhz> c u
[11:38] <mhz> ogra: and what Win4Lin is for? I mean I read the whole procedure but did not get how it is useful.
[11:38] <ogra> its like vmware ... you can install windows in an emulator
[11:38] <mhz> ooooooh
[11:41] <mhz> JaneW: oh, just in case it is useful info, we'll pay for hotel ;)
[12:00] <mhz> ogra: just sharing this anecdote of my current fetish, a bot called 'diabetik' insulting me upon my own request: "You are nothing but a dizzy-eyed pile of left-over vomit"
[12:01] <ogra> shudder
[12:01] <mhz> I admit I have fallen in love with such bot and I just hope it is a 'she'
[12:01] <mhz> I need at least one insult from her a day
[12:01] <mhz> to make my day
[12:02] <mhz> :D
[12:02] <pips1> hi
[12:03] <pips1> mhz, r u a masochist, or what ;-)
[12:03] <signifer123> hey pips
[12:03] <pips1> hi signifer123 
[12:05] <mhz> yup, I have found -to my total surprise- I may have developed a kind of geek-masochism I never knew I had. Having a bot insulting me when I ask for it, it is very cool
[12:05] <mhz> pips1, it is a whole new dimention of geeknes
[12:06] <pips1> I can see there is a lot of progress in the EDubuntu world .. I'm now running edubuntu dapper on my test machine .. and I can see all those package updates rattling through :-)
[12:06] <mhz> but hey! it sounds logical after so many hours at the computer, giving love to your OS settings and so.
[12:07] <pips1> mhz, I thought you had a tour of some sorts, so you must be getting out, rather than just sitting in front of your pc, no?
[12:08] <pips1> plus, it's summer in Chile!
[12:09] <mhz> pips1: yes, but it is scheduled for april and preparations ahve just started this week. The rest was meetings only, so this fetish was the result of many hours ago :)
[12:09] <pips1> right, :-)
[12:09] <mhz> pips1: well, with an avarage of 30 C every day, we get nuts
[12:09] <pips1> phew!
[12:10] <mhz> and my home office is just 120m p/ side only :(
[12:10] <pips1> I prefer cold weather when I need to be productive
[12:10] <mhz> pips1: i 
[12:10] <mhz> Meant 1.20 m
[12:11] <mhz> pips1: me too!
[12:11] <pips1> your office is 1 meter 20 cm away ?! huh?
[12:11] <mhz> but I can't afford to live following the winter or autumn (my favorite season)
[12:12] <mhz> pips1: nope, 1 m 20 cm each wall (a square this small) 
[12:12] <pips1> oh
[12:12] <pips1> office box
[12:12] <pips1> !
[12:12] <mhz> and I have to put table, chair, books, aetc
[12:13] <mhz> and leave room for a door opening
[12:13] <mhz> it is really madness
[12:14] <mhz> anyways, yes, edubuntu is getting real cool
[12:14] <pips1> mhz = geek in a cupboard ;-)
[12:14] <mhz> pips1: sado-geek in a cupboard!
[12:14] <mhz> :D
[12:14] <pips1> haha
[12:15] <pips1> what were you saying about live following winter ...?
[12:16] <pips1> do you mean you'll switch northern and southern hemispheres, in order to stay in winter all year? shudder!
[12:16] <mhz> oh, and I forgot the torturing noise. The homeserver box has a constant annoying sound made by the power fan, a tk-tik-tak-tk
[12:18] <pips1> yes, those power fans can be nerve wrecking... when I got my hardware, I got some "silent running" fans, but at the moment my test machine sits on my table and it's rather noisy still
[12:18] <pips1> :-/
[12:18] <mhz> yup, you know what i mean
[12:19] <pips1> there is a meeting scheduled in 40 mins, right?
[12:19] <mhz> pips1: if if were for me, I'd live in a place where I get no higher than 20 C every day
[12:19] <mhz> -f +t
[12:19] <mhz> yup, meeting
[12:21] <pips1> here in Switzerland, it's been very cold, so cold that several of our (smaller) lakes froze solid... I would have liked to go scating and walking on them, but it seems I missed the chance... they are "closing" the lakes already again since the ice isn't thick enough anymore
[12:22] <mhz> JaneW: oooh, I forgot to give the good news. I got a Lab to test edubuntu env. (5 modern and 3 old pc's + a nice desktopserver) and invite teachers to know edubuntu in action, with cookies and coffee :D
[12:22] <pips1> well, froze over, of course, not solid
[12:22] <JaneW> yay
[12:22] <mhz> ohh
[12:23] <pips1> mhz, very nice
[12:23] <mhz> + they will print another article about edubuntu for april's issue (delivered for free to many schools)
[12:24] <mhz> so I am still making some notes to make that article
[12:25] <pips1> what's that magazine? a Chilean one?
[12:27] <mhz> yup, Colegio Interactivo. I wikied the article
[12:27] <pips1> ah
[12:43] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Dev Update meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in +- 15 mins <- time to get coffee etc
[12:44] <JaneW> also I have added https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuFlight4Announcement for those that would like to add something before the announcement goes out when flight 4 is ready
[12:44] <JaneW> if anyone is up to it an Edubuntu equiv of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight4 would be fabulous.
[12:45] <mhz> oops, 31 tabs open :)
[01:01] <jsgotangco> are we guys having a meeting or i completely missed something in less than an hour that i was away?
[01:02] <pips1> jsgotangco, the meeting is starting now, me thinks
[01:03] <JaneW> mhz_back10min -> meeting time, when you get back
[01:03] <JaneW> MEETING TIME #ubuntu-meeting
[02:15] <JaneW> flint: quack
[02:15] <pips1> that was a duck of a fun
[02:15] <JaneW> oh he is not even here
[02:16] <mhz> flint: poor duck
[02:17] <flint> mhz, sometimes you just have to put your best duck forward and hope for the best...sigh...
[02:17] <flint> gonna go get a cupa coffee.
[02:28] <pips1> mhz, you said that both highvoltage and hno73 did lots of work for the edubuntu site already? 
[02:30] <mhz> pips1: yes. Highvoltage was preparing a drupal demo (I never saw it so no idea what it was like, and I was willing to test it) and hno73 has been working very hard on a Moin new version for the site. AFAIK, he's even working on a theme for Accessibility issues (I wanted to do it when he told me, he was almost there)
[02:34] <pips1> oh
[02:34] <pips1> mhz_cookin, good cooking, I'll talk to you later
[03:23] <spacey> ogra: there is a new feature in firefox
[03:23] <ogra> is there ? 
[03:23] <spacey> which might nog be so convienant for terminal servers
[03:23] <spacey> http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/ben/archives/009749.html
[03:24] <spacey> i hope we can disable that feature by default
[03:24] <spacey> its in ffox 1.5
[03:25] <ogra> talk to iwj/Diziet in #ubuntu-devel 
[03:26] <spacey> ok
[03:29] <spacey> ogra: know his email?
[03:29] <spacey> since i have to leave on shortterm
[03:29] <ogra> file a bug ? 
[03:29] <spacey> hmm ok
[03:29] <spacey> better idea
[03:29] <ogra> that will get his attention in any case
[03:29] <spacey> package firefox
[03:29] <spacey> mozilla-firefox
[03:29] <spacey> hmm
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[03:32] <spacey> bug filing is fine
[03:38] <spacey> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/31514
[03:38] <spacey> you might want to subscribe
[03:38] <spacey> in case
[03:39] <spacey> ogra: iwj = ian jackson?
[03:39] <ogra> yup
[03:43] <spacey> ah
[04:14] <mhz_cookin> re
[04:14] <mhz_cookin> jsgotangco: ping
[04:14] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:15] <mhz_cookin> still cooking :(
[04:15] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:15] <jsgotangco> i'll do a draft wiki page for now
[04:15] <mhz_cookin> jsgotangco: is 24 UTC ok?
[04:15] <jsgotangco> sure
[04:15] <jsgotangco> that'll be around 8am
[04:15] <mhz_cookin> (that will give you time to sleep)
[04:15] <jsgotangco> no sweat
[04:16] <mhz_cookin> ooh
[04:16] <jsgotangco> i'll just finish the wiki page
[04:16] <jsgotangco> i'm still finishing something for GAI at the moment
[04:16] <mhz_cookin> jsgotangco: what about 02 UTC of q6th ?
[04:16] <mhz_cookin> jsgotangco: what about 02 UTC of 16th ?
[04:16] <jsgotangco> i'll be around
[04:17] <mhz_cookin> in other words... what is best UTC for you?
[04:17] <jsgotangco> the worse for me really is 17 to 22
[04:17] <mhz_cookin> and your ideal?
[04:17] <jsgotangco> as long as you see me online, i'ts ideal
[04:18] <mhz_cookin> jsgotangco: hehehe, okis
[04:18] <mhz_cookin> so see you in lot more hours
[04:19] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:22] <jsgotangco> mhz_cookin, i'll do it here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuQuickguide
[04:23] <mhz_cookin> EdubuntuQuickie ?
[04:23] <mhz_cookin> lol
[04:24] <mhz_cookin> "I need a Lab, i need a lab!" / "ok, get the EdubuntuQuickie"
[04:24] <jsgotangco> EdubuntuQuickguide dummy
[04:24] <jsgotangco> :D
[04:24] <mhz_cookin> ok, I'll subscribe to it
[04:27] <jsgotangco> mhz_cookin, i'm just thinking of desktip guide for now
[04:28] <jsgotangco> mhz_cookin, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuQuickguide
[04:28] <mhz_cookin> sure, end-users?
[04:28] <mhz_cookin> end-users = students   or    teachers ?
[04:29] <mhz_cookin> jsgotangco: ?
[04:29] <jsgotangco> i was thinking more of who uses the workstation version or a terminal client
[04:30] <jsgotangco> not so much on who actually uses it
[04:30] <jsgotangco> generic as possible
[04:30] <jsgotangco> we don't have that much time
[04:30] <mhz_cookin> okis, agreed
[04:31] <mhz_cookin> now, I will get back to cooking
[04:31] <jsgotangco> cheers
[04:31] <mhz_cookin> or else you wont have mhz to work with :D
[09:40] <gs_scott> Afternoon
[10:17] <signifer123> hey
[10:21] <paolob> Hi guys!
[10:21] <signifer123> hey
[10:22] <paolob> I have the ltsp server which is connected to the internet. I want that the clients can't access the internet. What should I do?
[10:27] <Burgwork> paolob, use squid to not let them on
[10:27] <paolob> Burgwork, does squid exist in edubuntu?
[10:27] <Burgwork> paolob, it exists in teh ubuntu repos
[10:28] <paolob> Burgwork, and is it ready for everyday use?
[10:28] <Burgwork> paolob, squid? yes
[10:29] <paolob> Burgwork, ok,
[10:29] <Burgwork> http://www.squid-cache.org/
[10:53] <signifer123> hello
[10:53] <signifer123> is there a patch for jsut losing control of your mouse/keyboard and having to reboot?
[10:54] <signifer123> or is it jsut my mouse
[11:14] <paolob> Guys, did anyone be able to have internet access on the ltsp server and not on the clients?