[12:04] <thompa> UFO: http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/ it will run on kubuntu i think
[12:05] <thompa> !dvd
[12:05] <ubotu> I guess dvd is DVDs may require libdvdcss2, which is available at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:05] <UFO> thompa: the site is down... have to see later... i thin i know what you are meaning... abit more eye candy :)
[12:06] <thompa> UFO: its at freedesktop.org, link is not down just busy
[12:07] <thompa> its the movie cube thingy http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/img/movie-cube.jpg
[12:07] <wasp_ems> how can i access the network i am in so i can access other peoples files?
[12:08] <thompa> !mplayer
[12:08] <ubotu> rumour has it, mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[12:08] <blarion> How do you install flash for Konqueror?
[12:09] <thompa> !flash
[12:09] <ubotu> I heard restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[12:09] <wasp_ems> how can i make a shortcut on my desktop of my network?
[12:10] <UFO> thompa: looks very interesting, but i got ati which they report to have problem with :(
[12:11] <Red_Herring> heh, im very immature
[12:11] <Red_Herring> i made a command called woman
[12:11] <Red_Herring> so man woman says:
[12:11] <Red_Herring> No manual entry for woman
[12:11] <Red_Herring> See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available.
[12:12] <Red_Herring> :-P
[12:12] <UFO> :)
[12:12] <Red_Herring> making commands is so fun :-D
[12:12] <UFO> If you find a manual for woman so could you send it to me?
[12:13] <Red_Herring> sure thing ;-)
[12:13] <thompa> is anyone using automatix?
[12:13] <Red_Herring> thompa, nooooooooooo, dont use it!
[12:13] <Red_Herring> its bad!
[12:13] <thompa> thanks
[12:13] <wasp_ems> can anyone help me on how i can access my network??????
[12:13] <thompa> i tried it
[12:13] <hyperactivecrond> wasp_ems: dhcp?
[12:13] <thompa> it did some weird shit
[12:13] <kkathman> thompa try EasyUbuntu instead
[12:13] <Red_Herring> UFO, i was thinking we should make a package called therapy, that has commands like "Crap" and "DAMN KUBUNTU" so that they respond to it
[12:13] <wasp_ems> hyperactivecrond: whas is that?
[12:14] <thompa> last i checked easyubuntu was gone
[12:14] <hyperactivecrond> wasp_ems: type sudo dhclient eth0 @ a shell prompt
[12:14] <Red_Herring> just link it to fortune
[12:14] <thompa> ill just do it all by hand (restricted formats)
[12:14] <Red_Herring> !seveas
[12:14] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:14] <Red_Herring> thompa, use that ^
[12:15] <thompa> !dvd
[12:15] <ubotu> hmm... dvd is DVDs may require libdvdcss2, which is available at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:15] <Red_Herring> see, seveas
[12:15] <hyperactivecrond> !tell thompa about msgthebot
[12:15] <thompa> i got it, thanks
[12:15] <hyperactivecrond> !msgthebot
[12:15] <hyperactivecrond> ah
[12:15] <ubotu> Please message the bot (me) in private, more info about the bot: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[12:15] <dcwckd> has anyone  used helix-player on kubuntu
[12:15] <dcwckd> !dvd
[12:15] <ubotu> well, dvd is DVDs may require libdvdcss2, which is available at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:16] <thompa> i gotta go, thanks guys!
[12:16] <hyperactivecrond> !tell dcwckd about msgthebot
[12:16] <wasp_ems> hyperactivecrond: No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. this comes up
[12:16] <hyperactivecrond> :\
[12:17] <Red_Herring> ooo, oo, kubuntu should have a command called "basic-human-interaction" because that would be a very handy tool for the people who use it
[12:17] <Red_Herring> :-P
[12:17] <Red_Herring> dcwckd, why are you using helix-player?
[12:18] <dcwckd> I want to for DVDs
[12:18] <Red_Herring> !ogle
[12:18] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:18] <dcwckd> kaffeine nor VLC, play menus right for me
[12:18] <Red_Herring> try ogle or okle
[12:18] <Red_Herring> okle
[12:18] <Red_Herring> !okle
[12:18] <ubotu> Red_Herring: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:18] <Red_Herring> if you have dvd-css installed, okle works great
[12:19] <arrinmurr> vlc and kaffeine should work just fine too. works here anyway
[12:19] <dcwckd> wait
[12:19] <dcwckd> kaffeine with xine works nice
[12:19] <dcwckd> gstreamer
[12:19] <dcwckd> no go
[12:19] <Red_Herring> well
[12:19] <Red_Herring> gstreamer is still very developmental
[12:19] <Red_Herring> i dont like it
[12:19] <Red_Herring> but apparently .10 is great
[12:19] <Red_Herring> so we will see...
[12:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hola
[12:19] <Red_Herring> hi Tallia1Kubuntu
[12:20] <dcwckd> whats okle?
[12:20] <Red_Herring> did you catch my suggestions for extra terminal commands with dapper?
[12:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> which program is the best in linux for sound analisys/manipulation?
[12:20] <Red_Herring> dcwckd, it is a kde dvd player
[12:20] <Red_Herring> Tallia1Kubuntu, audacity
[12:20] <dcwckd> apt-get install okle?
[12:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i am using audacity  but it seems its analisys part is not very well done
[12:20] <Red_Herring> !audacity
[12:20] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[12:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[12:20] <Red_Herring> dcwckd, sure, go ahead
[12:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i mean, the analisys consider only a spectrum and a spectrogram
[12:21] <Red_Herring> dcwckd, you *do* have libdvdcss installed.. right?
[12:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i'd like to see the things i saw in AMADEUS
[12:21] <Red_Herring> awe man
[12:21] <Red_Herring> amadeus?
[12:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes
[12:21] <Red_Herring> dcwckd, what happened?
[12:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it is for MAC and i think for windows
[12:21] <Red_Herring> dcwckd, you *do* have libdvdcss installed.. right?
[12:21] <Red_Herring> try it with wine?
[12:21] <dcwckd> yup
[12:21] <dcwckd> trying okle now
[12:21] <Red_Herring> nice
[12:22] <dcwckd> brb
[12:22] <arrinmurr> Tallia1Kubuntu: what version of audacity did you use?
[12:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the last in reps
[12:23] <wasp_ems> can someone help me with wine?
[12:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i tried to install the 1.3
[12:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but i had VERY hard time in installing GTK and glib
[12:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> expecially the last
[12:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :(
[12:24] <Red_Herring> wasp_ems, that is a very delicate thing
[12:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> latter*
[12:24] <wasp_ems> Red_Herring: i want to run an application from windows..i installed it but i dont know how to open the file i want
[12:25] <Red_Herring> wasp_ems, well
[12:25] <arrinmurr> Tallia1Kubuntu: hmm.. 1.3 works fine here
[12:25] <Red_Herring> usially double clicking will work
[12:25] <dcwckd> red
[12:25] <Red_Herring> but you can just open the terminal
[12:25] <subdiv> trying to install Breezy  on an iMac and getting strange errors
[12:25] <dcwckd> what kind of machien do I need to run a DVD
[12:25] <Red_Herring> cd to the folder
[12:25] <dcwckd> cause its playback is all choppy
[12:25] <subdiv> using the ppc iso
[12:25] <Red_Herring> !dma
[12:25] <dcwckd> !dma
[12:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> arrinmurr: are you in kubuntu?
[12:25] <Red_Herring> yeah
[12:25] <wasp_ems> Red_Herring: thanx allot!
[12:25] <dcwckd> i thought I enabled DMA
[12:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> arrinmurr: did you compied audacity?
[12:26] <dcwckd> how can I check
[12:26] <arrinmurr> Tallia1Kubuntu: yes and no
[12:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> arrinmurr: ?
[12:26] <Red_Herring> wasp_ems, it worked?
[12:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oooo
[12:26] <dcwckd> !dma
[12:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> arrinmurr: how is it possible that you didn't compiled??
[12:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> arrinmurr: the last version is not in reps
[12:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> arrinmurr: where did you get the deb package?
[12:26] <subdiv> error is elf/e_ident/e_type/e_machineinfo
[12:27] <subdiv> absolute nOOb
[12:27] <subdiv> I am
[12:27] <arrinmurr> Tallia1Kubuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=108298
[12:27] <dcwckd> red
[12:27] <dcwckd> how do I check which dev is my dvd drive
[12:28] <Red_Herring> well
[12:28] <Red_Herring> it usually is just /dev/dvd
[12:28] <Red_Herring> try hdparm /dev/dvd
[12:28] <wasp_ems> Red_Herring: no nothing happened:(
[12:28] <Red_Herring> and see if dma is 0 or 1
[12:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> arrinmurr: TNX!!
[12:28] <Red_Herring> wasp_ems, open up the terminal
[12:28] <Red_Herring> cd into that directory
[12:28] <Red_Herring> and type in wine <filename>,exe
[12:28] <Red_Herring> thats a . not a ,
[12:29] <UFO> ib downloading the 32bit version of kubuntu and hoping resolvs my problems
[12:30] <Red_Herring> dcwckd, any luck?
[12:30] <wasp_ems> Red_Herring: it says no such file or directory
[12:30] <Red_Herring> wasp_ems, well cd to the folder is where the exe file is
[12:31] <dcwckd> red
[12:31] <dcwckd> got it going
[12:31] <dcwckd> thanks
[12:31] <Red_Herring> no problem
[12:31] <dcwckd> i though hdparm was permanent
[12:31] <dcwckd> !dma
[12:32] <wasp_ems> Red_Herring: this is what came up:
[12:32] <wasp_ems> err:module:import_dll Library pdh.dll (which is needed by L"Z:\\media\\hda3\\Program Files\\VoipBuster.com\\VoipBuster\\VoipBuster.exe") not found
[12:32] <wasp_ems> err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"Z:\\media\\hda3\\Program Files\\VoipBuster.com\\VoipBuster\\VoipBuster.exe" failed, status c0000135
[12:33] <Red_Herring> wasp_ems, have you tried "winecfg"
[12:33] <Red_Herring> and gone through that?
[12:33] <wasp_ems> no
[12:33] <Red_Herring> try it
[12:33] <Nomad411> If I want to remove all packages that were installed from repos cipherfunk, can I?
[12:34] <Nomad411> I mean, can I tell them apart
[12:34] <wasp_ems> Red_Herring: i dont see what i have to do in there
[12:34] <Red_Herring> wasp_ems, decide which verison of windows it will emulate
[12:34] <wasp_ems> Red_Herring: ok then?
[12:34] <Red_Herring> well...
[12:34] <Red_Herring> then hit ok
[12:35] <wasp_ems> thanx
[12:35] <monteiro> i've a logitech webcam, the driver loads but when i open xawtv the system crashes , anyone has knows how to solve this problem ?
[12:35] <Red_Herring> anything change?
[12:35] <Red_Herring> if not, then i would suggest adding the official wine repos
[12:35] <Red_Herring> !wine
[12:36] <wasp_ems> Red_Herring: the same thing happened
[12:37] <Red_Herring> wasp_ems, type in !wine
[12:37] <Red_Herring> then add that deb line to to sources.list
[12:37] <Red_Herring> then update it
[12:37] <subdiv> can anyone help me?
[12:37] <Red_Herring> that solved many problems for me
[12:37] <Red_Herring> subdiv, that depends
[12:37] <subdiv> it's this wierd error on my iMac
[12:37] <subdiv> elf/e_ident/e_type/e_machineinfo
[12:37] <Red_Herring> huh
[12:38] <Red_Herring> i just put it on my imac
[12:38] <Red_Herring> g3?
[12:38] <Red_Herring> or g4
[12:38] <subdiv> g3
[12:38] <Red_Herring> the error was elf/e_ident...
[12:38] <Red_Herring> ?
[12:38] <wasp_ems> Red_Herring: when i  type !wine is tells me wine voipBuster.exe cannot find it
[12:38] <subdiv> when the kernel loads
[12:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> anyone here know where i can find the last version of KINO?
[12:38] <dcwckd> red
[12:39] <dcwckd> can I ask you something
[12:39] <Red_Herring> wasp_ems, in this chatroom, type in "!wine"
[12:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i have the same problem that i had with audacity.. i can't compile last gtk
[12:39] <wasp_ems> aaa ok
[12:39] <Red_Herring> ubotu will tell you about wine
[12:39] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[12:39] <wasp_ems> :)
[12:39] <wasp_ems> !wine
[12:39] <dcwckd> red, is there anyway to remove gstreamer
[12:39] <Red_Herring> :-)
[12:39] <Red_Herring> dcwckd, why remove it?
[12:39] <dcwckd> and all of its plugins
[12:39] <dcwckd> I dont want it
[12:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> anyone here know where i can find the last version of KINO?
[12:39] <Red_Herring> just change all the engines to xine
[12:39] <dcwckd> cause I installed like 50 gstreamer plugins
[12:39] <Red_Herring> dcwckd, the thing is, they do no harm being installed
[12:39] <Nomad411> same here
[12:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> anyone here know where i can find the last version of KINO in a deb package outside of repositories?
[12:39] <dcwckd> I dont need them to update when I run a dist-upgrade
[12:40] <Red_Herring> and even if you dont want them
[12:40] <Red_Herring> its worth keeping them
[12:40] <subdiv> elf/e_ident/e_type/e_machineinfo. Anyone knows what this means?
[12:40] <Nomad411> I find that once I setup teh cipher repo and update from there my machine gets flaky
[12:40] <Nomad411> I'm removing them all now and sticking to official
[12:40] <dcwckd> red, they do no harm
[12:40] <Red_Herring> subdiv, what was going on when this error occured?
[12:40] <dcwckd> and they dont tie up resources?
[12:40] <Red_Herring> nah
[12:40] <Red_Herring> only if you have a media player running it
[12:41] <Red_Herring> but kaffiene and all of those already have xine versions of them
[12:41] <Red_Herring> so that shouldn be an issue
[12:41] <subdiv> trying to install kubuntu on my iMac. Type install at yaboot, it says "Loading the kernel", then it happens.
[12:41] <arrinmurr> Tallia1Kubuntu: kino 0.8 is in backports, isn't it?
[12:41] <dcwckd> red
[12:41] <Red_Herring> listening
[12:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> arrinmurr: :D how can i get it?
[12:41] <subdiv> this iMac is the only computer I care to install Kubuntu on.
[12:42] <dcwckd> how can I view current system processes?
[12:42] <Red_Herring> but if you hit tab after red, it auto fills in my name
[12:42] <arrinmurr> !backports
[12:42] <ubotu> backports is, like, Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main universe multiverse restricted" (without the ") to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[12:42] <Red_Herring> subdiv, sorry, never had something like that go on
[12:43] <dcwckd> red, is there a way to view current system resources
[12:43] <subdiv> iMac G3, 233 MHZ
[12:43] <Red_Herring> wow
[12:43] <Red_Herring> and you want kubunu on it?
[12:43] <subdiv> maybe
[12:43] <Red_Herring> dcwckd, cat /proc/meminfo
[12:43] <Red_Herring> will tell you how much ram is used
[12:43] <dcwckd> i want more along the lines
[12:44] <dcwckd> of whats running
[12:44] <Red_Herring> and ps -el will tel you all the processes
[12:44] <subdiv> i don't care to install it on my brand new iBook G4
[12:44] <subdiv> because I could frag the OSX to eternity
[12:44] <Red_Herring> subdiv, good luck getting kde on something with 233mhz
[12:44] <subdiv> is there a dual booting manual
[12:44] <Red_Herring> i would stick to something lighter
[12:44] <Red_Herring> !mac
[12:44] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[12:44] <Red_Herring> !imac
[12:44] <ubotu> Red_Herring: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:45] <Red_Herring> useless ubotu
[12:45] <subdiv> I could use my iBook, if I didn't destroy everything.
[12:45] <subdiv> 1.3 GHZ
[12:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Red_Herring: Once i insert backports inside sources.list is it safe to do upgrade all?
[12:48] <Red_Herring> Tallia1Kubuntu, sure
[12:48] <wasp_ems> Red_Herring: i messed it up...how can i remove it from the source list??
[12:48] <wasp_ems> Red_Herring: i added it in the reprosities but something went wrong
[12:48] <Tallia1Kubuntu> with safe i mean, i will not have BIG troubles
[12:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> wasp_ems: sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> wasp_ems: and then remove by hand the line
[12:49] <Red_Herring> just add a # in front of it
[12:49] <wasp_ems> thanx
[12:49] <bimberi> Tallia1Kubuntu: um, i don't reckon so.  I only use backports for installs and disable them for (dist-)upgrades
[12:49] <Red_Herring> well
[12:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> reckon?
[12:50] <bimberi> think
[12:50] <arrinmurr> i haven't had any problems with backports. and it doesn't include anything that critical anyway
[12:50] <bimberi> ...that it is safe
[12:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> bimberi: so i can do (normal)-upgrades without problems?
[12:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what does it change between normal and DIST upgrade?
[12:52] <bimberi> Tallia1Kubuntu: i couldn't guarantee that - even with the official non-backport repos :)
[12:52] <ClayG> anything like winzip for ubuntu?
[12:52] <bimberi> Tallia1Kubuntu: dist-upgrade will install new packages and remove others if the dependencies of existing packages change
[12:52] <Snake__> ClayG uhhh ark isnt it?
[12:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> arrinmurr: wasn't kino 0.8 able to import avi and mpeg? it keep saying me FAIL IMPORT..
[12:53] <_lengau> Ark for Kubuntu, file-roller for Ubuntu
[12:53] <ClayG> hm says zip isnot in my path
[12:53] <Snake__> ah
[12:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ClayG: ark
[12:53] <ClayG> but i just installed it
[12:53] <ClayG> weird
[12:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ClayG: zip package too :)
[12:53] <ClayG> i have it
[12:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh..... boh
[12:54] <bimberi> Tallia1Kubuntu: btw i meant any type of upgrade earlier
[12:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?
[12:55] <arrinmurr> Tallia1Kubuntu: hmm.. don't know really. i've never used it myself. however, there's some discussion about the backport http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=624599
[12:55] <bimberi> Tallia1Kubuntu: ok, I only use backports for installs and disable them for upgrades and dist-upgrades :)
[12:57] <arrinmurr> Tallia1Kubuntu: and there https://launchpad.net/products/breezy-backports/+bug/6231
[01:02] <mauricio> hello
[01:03] <mauricio> new to kubuntu... just to say hello
[01:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hello ^__^
[01:03] <mauricio> new to irc too, so hello again, tallia1
[01:05] <lengau_> Hi Mauricio
[01:05] <mauricio> don't embarass me, please :P
[01:05] <coolio10> hi everyone
[01:06] <wasp_ems> one last question before i go..as i cannot make wine work and there is plenty to read can someone tell me how to access my network??because for some reason i cannot
[01:06] <wasp_ems> fuck it
[01:06] <wasp_ems> its ok i fixed it
[01:06] <lengau_> Do any of you guys know the exact process of a package into Kubuntu? It it just after enough requests/after someone submits it or is there moer than that?
[01:07] <lengau_> Hi coolio
[01:07] <kkathman> lengau_: best thing to do is to query a dev to see if you package is in the respos or in Debian... if so, then request to Riddell or Hobbsee or robotgeek
[01:08] <Hobbsee> hmmm?  lol
[01:08] <Hobbsee> there's a whole list of places it can be in - see wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide i think
[01:08] <lengau_> Okay. So if I'm considering submitting a package, how exactly do I go about it?
[01:08] <lengau_> ahh. thanks. THat's what i was looking for.
[01:09] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:09] <Hobbsee> what package, by the way?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> and i think you have a grand total of 8 days before feature freeze
[01:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> if two application with the same name are in the path, how can i know which is executed?
[01:11] <bimberi> Tallia1Kubuntu: which <command>
[01:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> furthermore, is there a way to understand the location of the binary, given the name?
[01:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> bimberi: TNX :)
[01:11] <bimberi> Tallia1Kubuntu: dpkg -L <package> | grep bin     (is sometimes useful too) :)
[01:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ehhe i know that!
[01:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> to know the content of a package :P
[01:12] <bimberi> :)
[01:12] <lengau_> Hobbsee - Just a couple of things that I miss from Gentoo -- Actually I'm probably just going to grab the source from a Gentoo mirror.
[01:12] <Hobbsee> lengau_: yeah, but what are they?
[01:13] <Red_Herring> i dont like gentoo
[01:13] <Red_Herring> personally
[01:13] <Red_Herring> just way too much work just to get it to be functional
[01:13] <Hobbsee|away> yeah, but any good bits from there we may well want to implement
[01:14] <brydenn> Hobbsee... you ever do anything else?
[01:14] <Hobbsee|away> what do they have in the way of wireless management hehe?
[01:14] <brydenn> haha i see you on here ALL the time lol
[01:14] <lengau_> Y-windows (although I probably won't submit, pre-alpha yada yada, but I'll want to post it somewhere) etc. I'm jsut going thru portage to see what else (bad memory)
[01:14] <Hobbsee|away> brydenn: in regards to what?  oh, being here?  yeah, sometimes you know...
[01:14] <coolio10> anyone know if there has been a fix for storage media?(missing icons)
[01:14] <Hobbsee|away> i'm going out later today, i think
[01:14] <lengau_> Red_Herring: I agree. And you have to maintain it about every day. That;s why I switched over.
[01:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how much speed do i gain compiling the kernel instead of using an image?
[01:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a memory gain too?
[01:15] <Red_Herring> some
[01:15] <Red_Herring> not much
[01:15] <lengau_> None to me.
[01:15] <bimberi> Hobbsee|away: to collect your mail? :P
[01:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> lengau_: :)
[01:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Red_Herring: is a complicate operation to do?
[01:15] <lengau_> not really
[01:16] <Red_Herring> no
[01:16] <Red_Herring> !kernel-compilation
[01:16] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[01:16] <Red_Herring> !kernel
[01:16] <Hobbsee|away> bimberi: no, to pick up some textbooks - no one ever sends me anything by snail mail...
[01:16] <bimberi> Hobbsee|away: kk :)
[01:16] <Hobbsee|away> hehe
[01:16] <lengau_> I personally think that Kubuntu boots faster than my Gentoo install ever did, but that might be just the way I compiled *NOT A KERNEL DEVELOPER RIGHT HERE!*
[01:17] <Red_Herring> well
[01:17] <Red_Herring> gentoo booted much faster
[01:17] <Red_Herring> but then again
[01:17] <coolio10> guess knowone knows my question
[01:17] <mauricio> oh, welll ... going to sleep now
[01:17] <Red_Herring> i disabled many things i dont need
[01:17] <visik7> lengau_: gentoo with init-ng boot in 10 seconds
[01:17] <mauricio> nice dreams to everybody
[01:17] <visik7> bios included
[01:17] <charwood> I'm getting an error installd libgtk2.0-bin:  http://pastebin.com/555231
[01:17] <lengau_> cool - didn't know that.
[01:18] <charwood> Seems like a the package has missing dependencies?
[01:18] <lengau_> What's the rule on submitting shell scripts?
[01:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !kernel
[01:18] <Red_Herring> charwood, build-essential?
[01:18] <Hobbsee|away> shell scripts?
[01:18] <visik7> charwood: install the package that has that file
[01:18] <coolio10> fo you have adept or any package manager open?
[01:18] <lengau_> I really miss Superadduser.
[01:19] <coolio10> if u have any open close them
[01:19] <charwood> Red_Herring: It would seem that it is not part of build-essential
[01:19] <charwood> visik7: I have installed the package that has that file.  It's part of scratchbox.
[01:19] <Red_Herring> oh well...
[01:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> lengau_: what do i have to set in the kernel?
[01:19] <visik7> charwood: but are u using dapper ?
[01:19] <lengau_> for what?
[01:19] <lengau_> In Gentoo, you mean?
[01:19] <visik7> 'couse here is libxfixes3
[01:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> lengau_: how much time does it take to set up all i need?
[01:20] <charwood> visik7: Yes.  Dapper.  Test Flight 2.
[01:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> lengau_: no in kubunut
[01:20] <visik7> so don't complain about errors :)
[01:20] <Red_Herring> !kernel
[01:20] <Red_Herring> stupid ubotu, answer me!
[01:20] <visik7> file a bug or patch it
[01:20] <lengau_> Oh, I think it's just better to use the precompiled kernel in Kubuntu
[01:20] <__mikem> !stupid
[01:20] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, __mikem
[01:21] <dcwckd> hot damn I hate when KDE.org is down
[01:21] <dcwckd> whoops
[01:21] <dcwckd> kde-look
[01:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Red_Herring: :d
[01:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> lengau_: OK
[01:21] <Red_Herring> i never compiled a kernel in kubuntu
[01:21] <Red_Herring> just gentoo
[01:21] <lengau_> Hey look everybody! Tallia can touch his tongue!
[01:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> lengau_: i will follow your suggestion
[01:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> why do you need to use gentoo?
[01:22] <Red_Herring> i dont
[01:22] <lengau_> Who here uses Klamav?
[01:22] <charwood> I added deb http://scratchbox.org/debian to my sources.list.  libgtk2.0-bin is a required package for scratchbox.  Scratchbox installed mostly find but libgtk2.0 breaks.
[01:22] <visik7> what news client I have to use in kubuntu ?
[01:22] <Red_Herring> i just never bothered to compile one for kubuntu
[01:22] <Red_Herring> whereas it is mandatory for gentoo
[01:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see
[01:22] <dcwckd> red
[01:22] <dcwckd> okle rocks
[01:22] <Red_Herring> yeah
[01:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but in general, why do you have gentoo installed?
[01:23] <Red_Herring> i watched all 4 seasons of Futurama on it
[01:23] <Red_Herring> Tallia1Kubuntu, the speed!
[01:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> really?
[01:23] <Red_Herring> its incredebly fast
[01:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is it so good?
[01:23] <Red_Herring> no
[01:23] <Red_Herring> its nice
[01:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ahah :)
[01:23] <Red_Herring> but in terms of time/performance
[01:23] <Red_Herring> it fails badly
[01:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ??
[01:23] <Red_Herring> because it takes soooooooo long to get working
[01:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oooo ahha
[01:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see
[01:23] <Red_Herring> and it took me 15 minutes toninstall Firefox
[01:24] <B1zz> never could get Gentoo to install :-p
[01:24] <Red_Herring> B1zz, dont worry, it doesnt make you any less of a nerd if you cant install it
[01:24] <Red_Herring> :-)
[01:24] <blt> I am currently using Kubuntu, dapper release. I upgraded from Breezy, using Ubuntu. I have been unable to get sound working, though my sound modules are loaded, arts is configured to use alsa, and nothing is muted. I am surely missing something and would appreciate if someone could walk me through the steps of getting sound so that I can see where I've messed up. Baring that, could someone ask me common gottcha questions that relate to sound. I use an ibook G4.
[01:25] <B1zz> hehe, but thats what im going for :-p
[01:25] <B1zz> super nerd
[01:25] <Red_Herring> hey
[01:25] <Red_Herring> well you got some competition
[01:25] <B1zz> heheh
[01:25] <coolio10> #Red_Herring what systems do you have?
[01:25] <Red_Herring> blt, do you have the modules loaded?
[01:25] <Red_Herring> coolio10, what do you mean?
[01:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a place where to see if firefox plugins work?
[01:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i should have gstreamer acrobat and shockwave by now
[01:26] <coolio10> #Red_Herring do you dualboot?
[01:26] <Red_Herring> i have 1 debian, 1gentoo/kubuntu/winblows, 1 kubuntu
[01:26] <visik7> Tallia1Kubuntu: what plugin ?
[01:26] <blt> Red_Herring, yes I do. snd-powermac
[01:26] <Red_Herring> server desktop laptop
[01:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> all three of them :)
[01:26] <B1zz> wow nice systems
[01:26] <Red_Herring> not really
[01:26] <Red_Herring> a celeron 1.5ghz on the laptop
[01:26] <Red_Herring> a 700mhz server
[01:26] <coolio10> #Red_Herring whats gentoo like? was thinking of trying it
[01:26] <mastermindless> gentoo is nice...i f*cking learned mch about linux with it
[01:27] <Red_Herring> coolio10, unless you got a 10 day break... dont bother
[01:27] <UFO> redisdead: but those are enough for the use
[01:27] <B1zz> i got 2 ubuntu and 1 Kubuntu, and 2 windowz 1 for gamin the other for sis's work
[01:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> visik7: all of them
[01:27] <Red_Herring> blt, have you tried to see if it works under gnome?
[01:27] <Red_Herring> well... i also have a dsl laptop for my brother
[01:27] <coolio10> 2 ubuntu?
[01:28] <blt> coolio10, a good bash book and a bunch of HOWTOs will give you the same learning experience.
[01:28] <visik7> mastermindless: u learned much about gentoo
[01:28] <dcwckd> gentoo is hard to isntall
[01:28] <dcwckd> lol
[01:28] <visik7> not about linux
[01:28] <Red_Herring> but by installing gentoo you actually get an OS to show off
[01:28] <Red_Herring> instead of just plain old knowlage
[01:28] <hyperactivecrond> Ubuntu is an ancient african word that means "i'm sick of compiling Gentoo"
[01:28] <Red_Herring> no
[01:28] <visik7> ahahahaha
[01:28] <B1zz> hehehe
[01:28] <visik7> hyperactivecrond: I'll reuse it ahahaha
[01:28] <hyperactivecrond> i can't remember whom said that
[01:28] <Red_Herring> ubuntu is an african word meaning "I Cant configure debian"
[01:28] <blt> Red_Herring: Yes. Upon removing Gnome, however, the sound stopped working.
[01:29] <hyperactivecrond> Red_Herring: then use debian.
[01:29] <Red_Herring> blt, removed it?!?!?
[01:29] <Red_Herring> hyperactivecrond, its a saying
[01:29] <Red_Herring> and a joke
[01:29] <hyperactivecrond> ah
[01:29] <hyperactivecrond> mo
[01:29] <hyperactivecrond> mk
[01:29] <blt> Red_Herring: Yes. I didn't want Gnome. I prefer KDE.
[01:29] <Red_Herring> blt, well then the only logical thing to do is to install gnome again
[01:29] <mastermindless> visik7: thats true. but on the way to a stable gentoo i also learned much about linux. but myy debian installation were also very helpfull
[01:29] <mastermindless> :)
[01:29] <hyperactivecrond> _1 blt
[01:29] <hyperactivecrond> +1
[01:29] <Red_Herring> did the sound work under kde when you had gnome installed?
[01:30] <lengau_> Doesn't it go "Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure slackware'"?
[01:30] <Red_Herring> ok
[01:30] <Red_Herring> lets settle this
[01:30] <blt> Red_Herring: Yes, hence "Upon removing Gnome, however, the sound stopped working."
[01:30] <hyperactivecrond> heh... add this to the CC agenda
[01:30] <hyperactivecrond> lo
[01:30] <hyperactivecrond> l
[01:30] <hyperactivecrond> jk
[01:30] <Red_Herring> Ubuntu is an african word meaning "I cant configure any other distro so i installed this because they shipped it to me free"
[01:30] <visik7> lengau_: I can't resolve deps by hand
[01:30] <Red_Herring> blt, backtrack
[01:30] <Red_Herring> reinstall gnome
[01:31] <hyperactivecrond> Red_Herring: sounds negative 2 ubuntu
[01:31] <ClayG> anyone here use mambo or joomla?
[01:31] <Red_Herring> and just leave it, i mean, it only takes like 30mb
[01:31] <UFO> so all people are fighting now days of distros... before was only between linux and windows... huh
[01:31] <Red_Herring> hyperactivecrond, i know
[01:31] <lengau_> #visik7 You mean you should have to?
[01:31] <Red_Herring> dont get me wrong
[01:31] <hyperactivecrond> if this is true, there are supposed to be a lotta dummasses in #ubunt-  wait, nvm
[01:31] <Red_Herring> i happen to have 2kubuntu computers
[01:31] <blt> Red_Herring: No. That's a terrible hack.
[01:31] <Red_Herring> i love it
[01:31] <Red_Herring> blt, seriously
[01:31] <Red_Herring> i have gnome installed now
[01:31] <Red_Herring> i NEVER use it
[01:32] <troy> hey, the amarok1.4-beta packages claim to be dapper packages - but, has anyone tried to use them on breezy? is it just a matter of installation of new taglib from dapper?
[01:32] <Red_Herring> and its not a hack
[01:32] <Red_Herring> if doing X breaks something, why bother doing Y if undoing X works?
[01:32] <Red_Herring> hyperactivecrond, wow, sorry just read that, nice
[01:32] <hyperactivecrond> troy: klik it maybe?
[01:32] <blt> Red_Herring: Kubuntu shouldn't rely on having Gnome installed for basic things as sound.
[01:32] <hyperactivecrond> mean really... shouldn't have said that
[01:32] <B1zz> how do i get Dapper Repos?
[01:33] <B1zz> i would like amarok 1.4
[01:33] <troy> hyperactivecrond: doesn't work, amd64 - don't have the x86 libs required for the klik to work
[01:33] <Red_Herring> blt, well
[01:33] <Red_Herring> thats the thing
[01:33] <Red_Herring> it doesnt rely on it
[01:33] <hyperactivecrond> :\
[01:33] <UFO> can i update easy way to dapper with apt-get
[01:33] <hyperactivecrond> UFO: don't.
[01:33] <Red_Herring> but per chance, lets say a gnome package does something a kde package does
[01:33] <Red_Herring> for sound
[01:33] <lengau_> Speaking about dapper - what's the easiest way to upgrade (yes, I realise that it won't be released for two months, but I want to test it on my dev machine)
[01:33] <Red_Herring> and you install it
[01:33] <Red_Herring> it takes over kde's job
[01:34] <Red_Herring> but when you remove it, it doesnt do what its supposed to
[01:34] <blt> Red_Herring: Right, I understand that. In fact, that seems to be the problem entirely.
[01:34] <Red_Herring> and change the config files around so that the  kubuntu package contrils it now
[01:34] <Red_Herring> blt, i know sound arch has been a main issue with much of dapper
[01:35] <Red_Herring> so i suggest just "hacking" it for now until dapper comes out
[01:35] <blt> Red_Herring: The trick is finding that config file. I'd prefer not to hack it, actually. I'm trying to fix the bug, so it's a bit of a backslide you see to reinstall gnome.
[01:35] <Red_Herring> oh
[01:35] <UFO> !seveas
[01:35] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[01:36] <Red_Herring> well... it sounds like you know a lot about it
[01:36] <Red_Herring> so that makes any of my advice obsolete
[01:36] <hyperactivecrond> !tell ufo about msgthebot
[01:36] <Red_Herring> !msgthebot
[01:36] <ubotu> Please message the bot (me) in private, more info about the bot: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[01:37] <blt> Red_Herring: Alright. Well, thanks for your time.
[01:37] <Red_Herring> no problem
[01:37] <hyperactivecrond> !tell Red_Herring about msgthebot
[01:37] <hyperactivecrond> and follow that
[01:37] <Red_Herring> hyperactivecrond, i know
[01:38] <Hobbsee|away> anything i missed?
[01:38] <hyperactivecrond> that's kind of redundant doing !msgthebot
[01:38] <Red_Herring> so why tell me about it?
[01:38] <hyperactivecrond> an oxymoron
[01:38] <Red_Herring> isnt *that* redundant
[01:38] <hyperactivecrond> b/c. msg the bot
[01:38] <hyperactivecrond> not w/ my demented logic
[01:38] <Red_Herring> oh
[01:38] <LjL> where do i file bugs about 3kde .5.1?
[01:38] <Red_Herring> ok
[01:38] <LjL> that's kde 3.5.1
[01:39] <blt> Red_Herring: As a sort of a tangent, when attempting to help someone it is helpful to ascertain what it is that the person whom you are try to help is attempting to do.
[01:39] <Hobbsee> LjL: malone
[01:39] <Hobbsee> you can mark it as fix upstream from there
[01:39] <Red_Herring> blt, i have the vocab of a second grader
[01:39] <Red_Herring> jk
[01:39] <LjL> Hobbsee: thanks. don't think i should mark it as such, it's a bug with the Depends: in a package
[01:39] <Hobbsee> LjL: and mark the bug towards the kubuntu team
[01:39] <Red_Herring> ok
[01:40] <Hobbsee> LjL: paste the error to pastebin?
[01:40] <LjL> yes, hold on
[01:40] <Red_Herring> blt, the thing is, most of the people here are n00bs who dont know how to edit config files, so i just go by "if it works, dont mess with it"
[01:42] <Hobbsee> Red_Herring: which is why you teach them how to do it, so they learn something
[01:42] <LjL> Hobbsee: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/555262
[01:43] <Red_Herring> Hobbsee, it just seems logical that if by removing a package, somethign breaks, to reistall it, sure it works well just to tell them how to edit the config file to get it to work again
[01:43] <Red_Herring> but that just takes up time
[01:43] <Hobbsee> which config file?
[01:43] <Red_Herring> well that depends on the problem
[01:43] <Red_Herring> if no sound is working after you uninstalled gnome
[01:43] <Red_Herring> i wouldnt have the slightest clue where to look
[01:44] <Hobbsee> true
[01:44] <blt> Red_Herring: I agree with Hobbsee. It's harder to teach someone something, but since we're using open source software here it's important that people understand what's going on; otherwise nobody will understand the code, or indeed even be able to use it.
[01:44] <Hobbsee> then you ask someone who does
[01:44] <Hobbsee> you dont have to solve everything
[01:44] <Hobbsee> there are plenty of bits and pieces that i dont understand
[01:44] <Red_Herring> blt, my mom doesnt use thunderbird because the paperclip is in a different spot than in outlook express
[01:44] <Red_Herring> when something breaks
[01:44] <prospero2006> I recently read an article about how online poker was now supported by linux --bye bye windows!~
[01:44] <Red_Herring> i would much rather just have it working again
[01:44] <Red_Herring> than be given a lecture on how to fix it
[01:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> guys
[01:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i need a fast help
[01:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> andrea@taglia:~$ firefox
[01:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> *** Failed to load overlay chrome://dta/content/browserOverlay.xul
[01:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> andrea@taglia:~$ firefox
[01:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> *** Failed to load overlay chrome://dta/content/browserOverlay.xul
[01:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> sorry for the double... :)
[01:45] <Hobbsee> LjL: file a bug for it, attach a debdiff, then ping one of the motu's
[01:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and after that firefox is started i can't click anything ....... :(
[01:46] <blt> Red_Herring: Okay, fine. But not everyone wants that. In addition, most so called "noobs" actually do want to learn. It doesn't help them to say "Meh, just reinstall it".
[01:46] <Hobbsee> LjL: ie, it should be easy enough to fix that
[01:46] <Red_Herring> blt, ok ok
[01:46] <Red_Herring> but in your case i really didnt know wtf was going on
[01:47] <LjL> Hobbsee: i lost you after part 1 ;) i didn't even know a debdiff command existed. should i use it to compare the old avahi-daemon with the current one?
[01:47] <Red_Herring> it just seemed much more times easyer just to backtrack until it worked again
[01:47] <Snake__> blt: whats going on
[01:47] <Hobbsee> LjL: i'll have to look up my logs to see - brb
[01:47] <Red_Herring> in addition, is sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg not good for me to say?
[01:48] <Red_Herring> should i tell them "just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[01:49] <blt> Snake__: I updated to Kubuntu, Dapper from Ubuntu, Breezy and sound my sound went kaput. The volumes aren't muted, the sound card is find, and I get no error messages from artsd. Sound works perfectly with Gnome installed, but not without. I'm currently trying to fix the problem.
[01:49] <Snake__> blt: Heres your problem: "Dapper"
[01:50] <crimsun> blt: do you have multiple sound devices?
[01:50] <hyperactivecrond> Snake__: ++
[01:50] <Snake__> hyperactivecrond: ?
[01:50] <hyperactivecrond> you scored
[01:50] <blt> Red_Herring: Right, I don't know either. The point is you didn't ask questions.
[01:50] <hyperactivecrond> good answer
[01:51] <blt> Snake__: Hehe, yeah. Well, someone has to fix bugs.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> LjL: pm?
[01:51] <Snake__> hyperactivecrond: I know, dapper is so screwed atm....everytime I turn around I hear of more crap breaking (but its dev...so I guess should happen) :)
[01:51] <_vge> blt: yes, #kubuntu can fix em all
[01:51] <hyperactivecrond> heh
[01:51] <blt> crimsun: No. My box is an iBook G4, only one sound card.
[01:52] <hyperactivecrond> _vge: speak for thyself
[01:52] <crimsun> blt: pastebin amixer output, please
[01:52] <blt> _vge: What?
[01:52] <blt> crimsun: Sure, hold on please.
[01:52] <LjL> Hobbsee: ?
[01:52] <_vge> nothing, tryed to be sarcastic, but i see i failed pretty bad
[01:53] <Hobbsee> LjL: private message?
[01:53] <hyperactivecrond> this elkbuntu guy in #ubuntu says dapper's 'comfortablly stable'
[01:53] <LjL> Hobbsee: err, private message what? you mean if you can pm me? then sure
[01:53] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:53] <Red_Herring> who here has registered their nick?
[01:54] <_vge> _o_
[01:55] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Red_Herring: have you any clue on my problem with firefoxx?
[01:55] <blt> crimsun: Here you go: http://pastebin.com/555267
[01:55] <blt> Redd_Herring: I have.
[01:55] <Snake__> Tallia1Kubuntu: when do you get that error
[01:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> as soon as i start it
[01:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but i can see it only if i start firefox in the terminal
[01:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it is printed out on the standard output
[01:56] <Snake__> Tallia1Kubuntu: does it say that in firefox, or in the terminal
[01:56] <Snake__> i seee
[01:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> terminal
[01:57] <Snake__> Tallia1Kubuntu: hmm im sorry, I really have no idea :(
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Red_Herring: i've registered about 4 of my nicks...
[01:58] <blt> Tallia1Kubuntu: You cannont click anything within the firefox window or anywhere?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> and my dapper seems pretty stable
[01:59] <Snake__> Hobbsee: *cough wireless rulez!! cough*
[01:59] <blt> Yeah, this is the only problem I've had with dapper in the last month. It's coming along nicely.
[01:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> blt: exactly
[01:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:59] <Hobbsee> yeah, good point.  apart from that
[01:59] <kwewu14> is athlon-xp a k7?
[01:59] <kwewu14> or 686?
[02:00] <crimsun> blt: sec, in discussion for another topic
[02:01] <blt> Tallia1Kubuntu: I've not had this problem before, but I'll look around and see what I can come up with. If nothing else I can email you my browserOverlay.xul and we'll see what happens.
[02:01] <blt> crimsun: Oh, sure. Take your time. I'm in no hurry at all.
[02:02] <Snake__> hyperactivecrond: ty
[02:02] <hyperactivecrond> np
[02:02] <blt> Tallia1Kubuntu: You seemed to be really rushed earlier, though. You are aware that in the mean time you could install and use another browser?
[02:03] <crimsun> blt: try unmuting 'Headphone' and muting 'Auto Mute'
[02:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> konqueror doesn't work very well
[02:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> when i click on a link he asks me to open the file with kwrite
[02:03] <snooze> hi everyone
[02:03] <erhan_R> Tallia1Kubuntu:  opera?
[02:03] <snooze> did anyone experience problems with the current nvidia driver with a customized 2.6.15.4 kernel?
[02:03] <blt> Tallia1Kubuntu: I don't mind it, and that's strange behavior as well. HTML link, or text file?
[02:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> html link
[02:04] <blt> crimsun: Alright, hold on please.
[02:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> like if i click on the ok button in google
[02:04] <erhan_R> on konquer ?
[02:04] <snooze> hm
[02:04] <snooze> anyone here using a customized 2.6.15.4?
[02:05] <blt> crimsun: Nope, no luck. I've tried most of the muted, unmuted permutations.
[02:05] <erhan_R> no snooze .i dont use. what happened ?
[02:05] <Tallia1Kubuntu> erhan_R: yes
[02:06] <snooze> erhan_R, everything seems to work fine after installing the nvidia driver, x starts up, i can use everything quite normal - until i reboot...
[02:06] <erhan_R> and it opens kwrite hmm
[02:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> erhan_R: ok i just fixed the conqueror one
[02:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it was because html was associated in kcontrol with kwrite
[02:06] <snooze> erhan_R, then, reinstalling nvidia driver does the job, but i don't feel motivated to do it after every boot
[02:06] <blt> Tallia1Kubuntu: You might want to poke around in the file associations for konqueror. Something has likely been set incorrectly there (Settings->File Associations)
[02:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but firefox broken still remanins :(
[02:06] <blt> Tallia1Kubuntu: Oh, nevermind then.
[02:06] <snooze> erhan_R, hi :)(
[02:07] <snooze> erhan_R, i'm using normal ubuntu here with kde packages installed but i think that wont make any difference, right?
[02:07] <erhan_R> hmm
[02:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what about firefox?
[02:07] <snooze> the new file dialogs in gtk2 suck
[02:07] <snooze> like hell
[02:07] <blt> Tallia1Kubuntu: Still working on it.
[02:07] <snooze> (!)
[02:08] <crimsun> blt: but you say [Dapper] GNOME works?
[02:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i will try to reinstall it by now
[02:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and uninstall the plugins from the reps
[02:08] <blt> snooze: Did they ever give a good justification for that?
[02:08] <erhan_R>  well actually i dot use kubuntu well i used
[02:08] <snooze> blt, not sure. don't think so.
[02:08] <blt> crimsun: Yes I did.
[02:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> where are the plugin saved when you install both firefox and plugins from repos?
[02:08] <snooze> blt, maybe just using the ubuntu standard kernel for now does it.
[02:09] <crimsun> blt: can you try GNOME and pastebin the amixer output from it?
[02:09] <snooze> blt, the question is, if i should consider this as a bad workaround or just be happy with that as a solution for now.
[02:09] <snooze> blt, dunno
[02:10] <erhan_R> Tallia1Kubuntu:  did u install fx with source ? or package?
[02:10] <snooze> blt, i come from debian to ubuntu because it's making some things just easier for me :)
[02:10] <blt> snooze: I'm confused. What are you talking about?
[02:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> package
[02:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> package only
[02:10] <snooze> blt, still that nvidia stuff
[02:10] <snooze> blt, the thing is, that i need twinview with hardware acceleration on my system.
[02:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oh my god.... w3m is amazing :)
[02:11] <blt> crimsun: I don't have GNOME installed any longer, but I saved an amixer output from a working sound configuration and there is no change.
[02:11] <snooze> blt, and somehow i feel motivated to have my own 2.6.15.4
[02:11] <rich0rd> snooze: i have that (but actually with debian on my workstation)
[02:11] <blt> snooze: Oh, okay. I got confused. I understand what you're saying now.
[02:11] <snooze> gnome are bad interface nazis for real. they suck and their way to make things easier is a disease for thinking people.
[02:11] <erhan_R> yea well vanilia compile is better
[02:12] <snooze> rich0rd, with the newest nvidia driver?
[02:12] <snooze> blt, cool.
[02:12] <crimsun> blt: ok, then I'd need to see the actual register dump from /proc/asound/
[02:12] <snooze> *drinking good beer*
[02:12] <rich0rd> snooze: should be the newest version
[02:12] <snooze> all that alsa shit got me fucked up thru, too.
[02:12] <rich0rd> ha i am a real man
[02:12] <blt> crimsun: Okay, just a moment please.
[02:13] <snooze> i got a cool soundcard, m-audio 2496 and my left and right DAC channel are seperated in all mixers and i can't combine them so i have to use the software mixer in xmms.
[02:13] <snooze> it's really hurting.
[02:13] <blt> crimsun: Wait, what do you want dumped from /proc/asound/ ?
[02:14] <snooze> all that stuff really makes me go mad sometimes.
[02:14] <blt> crimsun: I don't understand what you mean when you say register dump.
[02:15] <Snake__> Hey guys, is there a QT enviroment like there is for GTK for windows
[02:16] <blt> snooze: Has xmms switched to gtk2? I haven't used it in years.
[02:16] <crimsun> blt: normally there's a listing of register values from ac97, but you don't have that, so the contents of every file in /proc/asound/
[02:16] <__mikem> Hey crimsun remember me
[02:16] <blt> Snake__: http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/windows.html
[02:16] <__mikem> the guy that ranted here 2 days ago
[02:17] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, hi again __mikem
[02:17] <erhan_R> i gtg . its strange well Tallia1Kubuntu : i just recommend u install fx with source .  cya
[02:17] <blt> crimsun: Alright. Is there any special way you want to go about doing this? There are 24 files. Or, would you prefer I pastebin you a tree dump so that you can choose the file you'd like to see.
[02:18] <Knowerrors> To anybody using FF 1.5, have you updated it, if so how?  (Im reading the wiki now and there are several methods listed.)
[02:18] <__mikem> HEy, is this qtWindows free
[02:18] <__mikem> I could use it
[02:18] <blt> Tallia1Kubuntu: I've not found anything concerning your Firefox problem. Sorry.
[02:19] <Snake__> blt: im looking for something that that can be used like GTK+ for windows to run the gimp, etc. I would like to run kopete on windows
[02:19] <erhan_R> mine is 1.5.0.1
[02:19] <crimsun> blt: ``cat $(find /proc/asound)'' will suffice
[02:19] <blt> Snake__: Ah, that I'm not sure about.
[02:19] <erhan_R> sometimes with flash player makes me mad too :) anyhow bye
[02:19] <ccc_> Knowerrors: yup. i followed the first section
[02:19] <blt> __mikem: If I remember correctly QT is free for all GPL projects, or something along those lines.
[02:20] <Snake__> __mikem: http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/pricing.html?cid=18
[02:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> blt: tnx
[02:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> if i want to delete all the preferences of firefox, maybe the error is in there
[02:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what do i need to keep and where i can find it?
[02:21] <UFO> is the i386 dvd only 2GB big?
[02:21] <__mikem> blt, I just came accross that, I am going to do a bit more research on it then probably download it, thanks
[02:21] <blt> __mikem: Sure.
[02:21] <__mikem> snake__ same thing
[02:21] <blt> crimsun: Alright. I'll have that up in a moment.
[02:22] <__mikem> I am a seasoned win32 programmer and this seems like a great way to start developing linux apps
[02:23] <blt> crimsun: Here you are. http://pastebin.com/555279 If I might ask, what are you looking for?
[02:23] <__mikem> do they ever empty out the oldest posts to pastebin
[02:24] <blt> __mikem: Oh really? Neato. I wish you much success then and hope things go smoothly.
[02:24] <__mikem> thanks
[02:24] <blt> __mikem: What languages do you code in?
[02:24] <__mikem> c++ and asm
[02:25] <Red_Herring> asm?
[02:25] <__mikem> assemply language
[02:25] <Red_Herring> i know
[02:25] <Red_Herring> how do you run apps in it?
[02:25] <Red_Herring> i mean, is there an IDE for it?
[02:25] <__mikem> o no. I just use a text editor and the commandline
[02:26] <Red_Herring> wow
[02:26] <Red_Herring> nice
[02:26] <__mikem> WEll, I will admit, I I do occasionally use an ide called WinASM
[02:26] <__mikem> but this ide doesn't really do muc
[02:26] <__mikem> much
[02:26] <__mikem> no intelisence or anything
[02:27] <__mikem> but it does have a function list for when I make api calls
[02:27] <blt> Why asm, other than for the hell of it?
[02:27] <__mikem> I am a masocist
[02:27] <blt> Yes, so you are.
[02:28] <UFO> how do i see my current resolution from console
[02:28] <__mikem> DOn't worry, I only toy with assembly, all my serious stuff I do in C
[02:28] <Red_Herring> i like c++
[02:28] <Red_Herring> it just makes sense to me
[02:28] <blt> __mikem: I had no doubts.
[02:28] <crimsun> blt: any incongruities between /proc/asound/card{}/pcm0p/info and other information
[02:28] <Red_Herring> i like what java has, but i really hate the vm
[02:29] <crimsun> blt: perhaps if you could test a daily of Ubuntu live
[02:29] <blt> crimsun: I thought so. I didn't notice any, but then sound cards aren't really my area of expertise. Thank you for attempting to help.
[02:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> blt: just resolved
[02:29] <__mikem> At my highschool, one of the clubs participates in this state wide competition for various business fields, one of which is c++ programming. I got first place in it at the county level and am going to compete at the state level in april
[02:30] <Red_Herring> really?
[02:30] <Red_Herring> wow
[02:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i copied my bookmarks and then i deleted all the firefox subdirectory from home/.mozilla
[02:30] <Red_Herring> i wanna get in a contest
[02:30] <Red_Herring> but i dont know where they are
[02:30] <blt> Tallia1Kubuntu: Neat. Congratulations.
[02:30] <Knowerrors> Anybody using kde 3.5.1 and Gwenview plug, when I click on the image view button, to switch to Gwenview mode, konq crashes, anybody else get this?
[02:30] <Red_Herring> but i did move on in the AMC
[02:30] <__mikem> AMC?
[02:30] <Red_Herring> to my surprize
[02:30] <Red_Herring> American Math Contest
[02:30] <__mikem> COngrats
[02:31] <Red_Herring> :-D
[02:31] <__mikem> what kind of stuff do you do in that
[02:31] <Red_Herring> just problem solving
[02:31] <blt> __mikem: Since it sounds like you're using Linux now, at least part time, are you attempting to learn new languages?
[02:31] <Red_Herring> i just halfassed it
[02:31] <Red_Herring> and managed to get the BARE MINIMUM TO PASS!
[02:31] <__mikem> Well, one of these days I am going to need to learn sql so I can start writing db driven apps
[02:31] <blt> crimsun: I'll try that and compare the results. I take it you didn't notice anything either?
[02:32] <__mikem> Red_Herring sounds like it was a real sweat
[02:32] <Red_Herring> yeah
[02:32] <crimsun> blt: well I have no comparison (since I don't have such hardware myself)
[02:32] <blt> __mikem: Do you mind if I give you a bit of advice?
[02:32] <__mikem> go ahead
[02:32] <blt> crimsun: Right.
[02:33] <crimsun> blt: but the /info pretty much confirms what I thought: Your subdevices_count and subdevices_avail clash
[02:33] <t3nd0> trying to get open gl to work on my machine ::  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=732718&postcount=997
[02:33] <__mikem> blt what advice
[02:33] <Knowerrors> Red_Herring: thats a rerun episode... Daily show was new though
[02:33] <Red_Herring> i know
[02:33] <blt> __mikem: Learn more languages. Flexiblity of thought is important when coding. Linux is a great platform for playing with new languages.
[02:34] <Red_Herring> i missed the daily show
[02:34] <Red_Herring> this girl called
[02:34] <Red_Herring> and i had to listen
[02:34] <Red_Herring> ya know how that is
[02:34] <blt> crimsun: Oh, I hadn't noticed that at all. Thanks for pointing that out.
[02:34] <__mikem> blt: oh definitely, I thought you were going to call me for bragging, which I will admit I sometimes do from time to time without realizing it
[02:34] <Knowerrors> hehe, ya got to get VDR or MythTV Red_Herring
[02:34] <blt> __mikem: Also, stop bragging. :)
[02:34] <__mikem> lol
[02:34] <__mikem> ok
[02:34] <Red_Herring> tvtime!
[02:35] <Red_Herring> i cant get ubuntu to set up mysql
[02:35] <Red_Herring> !mysql
[02:35] <ubotu> lamp is, like, totally, Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[02:35] <Knowerrors> Im watching TV on my linux box now, with TVtime, use VDR to record stuff
[02:35] <Red_Herring> oh, nice
[02:35] <Red_Herring> vdr?
[02:35] <Knowerrors> yeah, its in the repos...
[02:35] <blt> crimsun: Do you have any idea about what might be causing that?
[02:36] <__mikem> linux always has the right tool for the job
[02:36] <__mikem> built for it
[02:36] <crimsun> blt: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[02:36] <Knowerrors> VDR is like having TiVo for linux, same with MythTV
[02:36] <Red_Herring> nice
[02:36] <t3nd0> can someone tell me which one of these package i get for a pentium 4 (3.0ghz)?  http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
[02:37] <crimsun> t3nd0: ia32
[02:37] <__mikem> I like playing dvds on my laptop, but this video card is so old that it can't keep up with the high fps rate
[02:37] <Red_Herring> uhhh
[02:37] <Red_Herring> it says i need to turn off utf-8
[02:37] <t3nd0> what the heck my tab thing doesnt work
[02:38] <Red_Herring> how do i turn off utf-8?
[02:38] <t3nd0> thanks crimsun
[02:38] <t3nd0> :)
[02:38] <Red_Herring> how many of you know that hitting <tab> autofills in the name of what you are typing?
[02:38] <blt> crimsun: No /dev/sdn/. I'm quickly stepping out of my range of understanding here, by the way. For instance, I didn't know to check for /dev/snd/. Is there documentation describing how the sound sytem is supposed to work? I've been flying by the seat of my pants.
[02:38] <Red_Herring> as in Red_Herring
[02:38] <t3nd0> mine isnt working for some reason
[02:38] <t3nd0> Red_Herring, err now it is
[02:38] <t3nd0> that was strange
[02:39] <Red_Herring> yeah
[02:39] <Red_Herring> anyone have any idea on how to turn off utf-8?
[02:39] <__mikem> Wow, I hope I never incounter these problems, they sound complicated, and my knowlege of windows doesn't help here
[02:40] <t3nd0> __mikem, i wish i could transfer my XP knowledge to linux somehow :)
[02:40] <Red_Herring> __mikem, no it doesnt  :-)
[02:40] <crimsun> blt: are you looking for a high-level (broad) or a low-level overview?
[02:40] <blt> __mikem: Low-level.
[02:40] <Red_Herring> arg, this is very aggrivating
[02:40] <__mikem> yes
[02:40] <Red_Herring> just like how bad mythtv is
[02:40] <__mikem> definitely low level
[02:41] <UFO> hey, is the kubuntu dvd really only 2gb big...
[02:41] <Knowerrors> Red_Herring: is this an error youre getting from what, VDR?
[02:41] <__mikem> what is mythtv, sounds fun
[02:41] <Red_Herring> Knowerrors, yeah
[02:41] <Red_Herring> and mythtv complains about mysql
[02:41] <__mikem> oh, as I said, I still need to learn sql one of these days
[02:41] <Red_Herring> __mikem, mythtv is a tivo like program
[02:42] <UFO> have you seen the drambox sat reciever? it got linux inside...
[02:42] <Red_Herring> really?
[02:42] <Red_Herring> neat
[02:42] <__mikem> oh, I literally thought you were saying that people complain about mysql on mythtv
[02:42] <Knowerrors> Red_Herring: I had that utf-8 problem with ubuntu and vdr... finding you answer now
[02:42] <UFO> sorry dreambox
[02:42] <blt> __mikem: Why learn sql when you could use a language that has bindings to it? (Meaning you learn a more general language, plus enough sql to get by.)
[02:42] <__mikem> lol
[02:42] <blt> I'll be back shortly. I've laundry to do.
[02:42] <__mikem> blt my dad would never hear of it
[02:42] <__mikem> hb
[02:44] <__mikem> silent in here
[02:44] <Red_Herring> yeah
[02:45] <Red_Herring> "what if they called it the 'if you vote against this bill you are unpatriotic' bill, then would you vote for it"?
[02:45] <__mikem> Um, depends on what it is
[02:45] <__mikem> ?
[02:45] <Red_Herring> the patriot act
[02:45] <Red_Herring> i was quoting the colbert report
[02:46] <__mikem> Oh, you should probably know, I am republican
[02:46] <Red_Herring> ok
[02:46] <Red_Herring> good
[02:46] <prospero2006> I've definitely got to get a t.v tuner card
[02:46] <Red_Herring> yeah
[02:46] <Red_Herring> its really nice
[02:46] <__mikem> Oh they are great
[02:46] <__mikem> you can't beat them
[02:46] <__mikem> except maybe with hd tv
[02:46] <prospero2006> How much do they run?
[02:46] <Red_Herring> i really like my compro pvr
[02:46] <Knowerrors> you can get tuner cards that do HDTV
[02:47] <__mikem> tv tuners, I never realy priced them, my dad bought one for the computer in the guestroom
[02:47] <Red_Herring> prospero2006, my compro pvr was 30 bucks
[02:47] <__mikem> Knowerrors Nice, when we get an hd tv we will look in to that
[02:47] <Knowerrors> Red_Herring: I compiled VDR manually, hence, I had edited a startup script to turn off utf-8
[02:47] <Red_Herring> well, how do i turn it off at all?
[02:47] <Knowerrors> __mikem: most computer monitors are HD..
[02:48] <__mikem> YEh, not as big though
[02:48] <Red_Herring> alla re
[02:48] <Red_Herring> * all are
[02:48] <__mikem> I want one of those wall mounts
[02:48] <Knowerrors> Red_Herring: find the vdr startup script...
[02:48] <__mikem> but good point
[02:48] <Red_Herring> Knowerrors, i can just turn it off at startup
[02:48] <Red_Herring> i just dont know how
[02:49] <blt> __mikem: Your Dad would never hear of it? Coding in straight sql isn't easy, nor is it particularly instructive.
[02:49] <__mikem> Open the script and delete a few lines, (or add a few depending on how its setup)
[02:49] <Knowerrors> What I did- export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.19 export LANG="en_US.iso8859-1" export LC_TYPE="ISO-8859-1"
[02:49] <Red_Herring> kernel 2.4.19?
[02:49] <Knowerrors> at the begining of the vdrstart script
[02:49] <Red_Herring> oh
[02:49] <Red_Herring> ok
[02:49] <Knowerrors> that line may not be needed, the other two are though
[02:50] <Red_Herring> ok
[02:50] <__mikem> blt I know, but dad comes from a business programming background (eg vb & ado.net) and is a heavy advocate of doing things a certain way
[02:51] <__mikem> totally different game than the low level programming I typically spend my time doing, but he still has more experience than I do
[02:51] <troy> amarok 1.4 beta is a pain to build manually for breezy-amd64 - but it works so nicely once it's built! yay!
[02:52] <Knowerrors> Red_Herring: do you have a digital tuner card, or just a video in card?
[02:52] <__mikem> Binary packages are best
[02:52] <__mikem> no messy scripts to run,
[02:52] <__mikem> just execute the package and it does the rest
[02:52] <UFO> __mikem: the sql is quite aesy to learn
[02:52] <blt> __mikem: Right, I gathered that. But why trap yourself doing a certain sort of programming? Unless, of course, all you want to do is business programming. But even then it's the ideas, and not the languages, that are the important bits. The more arcane the language the less ideas come through with ease.
[02:53] <Red_Herring> Knowerrors, a tv tuner card
[02:53] <Red_Herring> i *think* it may be digital
[02:53] <Red_Herring> but i use it for cable
[02:53] <__mikem> I want design/maintain opperating systems when I am older, perhaps work on the linux kernel, I don't know. But even I think its probably a good idea to know it anyway just incase
[02:54] <Knowerrors> Red_Herring: really, there is a place in the pack for a sub card then?
[02:54] <Knowerrors> the back
[02:55] <UFO> __mikem: yes its probably your first job if start as programmer... you do an interface to database...
[02:55] <blt> __mikem: Okay, Well, you can start playing with operating systems now. UFO is right, sql isn't hard to pick up. If you need to it can be done in a flash. Operating Systems are damn hard (and more fun), so why spend time training to become a business programmer?
[02:55] <snooze_> is there a way to tell X, which display it should take as my primary one?
[02:55] <Red_Herring> Knowerrors, sub card? sure
[02:55] <__mikem> A few months ago I built a PE Disassembler
[02:55] <snooze_> i had the same problem with my last install, but i don't remember how i got it fixed.
[02:56] <Knowerrors> Red_Herring: youre in the US?  Thats cool your cable company supports using a coputer tuner card
[02:56] <__mikem> a little later this year I am going to dig up the source code, do a rewrite (It wasn't the neatest code ever writen) and make it available for downlaod somewhere
[02:56] <UFO> operating systems and kernels uses lot of data for bus and adress for memory and such things
[02:56] <Red_Herring> Knowerrors, yeah, i have cable internet too ;-)
[02:57] <UFO> Red_Herring: what do you have up bitrate on cable?
[02:57] <Red_Herring> downstream
[02:57] <Red_Herring> 1/2 MB
[02:57] <Red_Herring> upstream
[02:57] <Red_Herring> 50KB
[02:57] <Red_Herring> i can make a nice server with that bandwidth
[02:57] <Red_Herring> :-)
[02:58] <blt> __mikem: If you want to play with operating systems, you are aware of the toy ones that have been built for learning purposes, correct?
[02:58] <__mikem> Better than the IIS we have running here
[02:58] <__mikem> No I havn't actually, but I could look in to that
[02:58] <snooze_> allright
[02:59] <snooze_> now i've made myself 2 bash scripts that i can execute directly after setting up the main system and it sets me up all the hard-to-setup crap that would take hours :)
[02:59] <UFO> __mikem: try to look in some small driver like serialport or something... you can get the idea of style of programming...
[02:59] <blt> __mikem: It would be worth it. Any good University library will have books on the subject and source code. Or, you could just google and dick around.
[02:59] <snooze_> very nice.
[02:59] <__mikem> UFO, Ive done low level programming  before, I know what its like
[02:59] <UFO> __mikem: ok... assembly ;)
[03:00] <__mikem> but writing a driver first and working my way up does sound like a good idea
[03:01] <__mikem> Perhaps something to interface with my dads new measurement systems instruments he bought
[03:01] <__mikem> Hes been grappling with the ones they provided him last I heard
[03:01] <blt> The trick is getting the specs for the device.
[03:02] <__mikem> Good point, do you think they will be handing those out
[03:02] <__mikem> its a simple device that measures the room temperature and things like that
[03:02] <blt> It depends on the company, really.
[03:02] <__mikem> The product was designed for developers who use Visual Studio, so what do you think?
[03:02] <UFO> __mikem: mostly they use serial type thing but you have to parse the data its coming in from device
[03:03] <Knowerrors> Red_Herring: linuxtv.org - dvbn.happysat.org - mythtv.org
[03:04] <__mikem> I have to know what physical address is for the device, then its childs play, there are two x86 instructions specifically for doing this, namely "in" and "out"
[03:04] <UFO> __mikem: is it connected to serialport?
[03:04] <Red_Herring> Knowerrors, thanks
[03:05] <__mikem> Actually, I think its usb, but I am not sure, I never actually looked at the thing
[03:05] <Knowerrors> theres a section on dvbn for linux only, and one also for cable
[03:06] <UFO> Red_Herring: http://www.dream-multimedia-tv.de/english/products_dm7025_technical.php
[03:07] <blt> crimsun: Thanks for your help, by the way.
[03:07] <UFO> __mikem: usb is allmost like com universal serial bus... the idea is in the serial you have to read some receive or transmit address
[03:09] <blt> __mikem: You Dad is from a business background and, as you said, is an advocate of doing things "a certain way". I'm from an academic background, and so I find it interesting that my immediate thought upon reading that was "Oh no. *slaps forehead* There is no certain way to anything!"
[03:09] <UFO> __mikem: and look in kernel config there is a lot of usb things allready.
[03:09] <__mikem> YOu can imagine what he said when I told him I wanted to learn c++. Being a vb programmer, the first thing he said was that it was a waste of time
[03:10] <__mikem> this device is for windows
[03:10] <__mikem> designed for windows I mean
[03:10] <__mikem> as far as I know
[03:11] <blt> Heh, I would put forth the assertion that learning VB is a waste of time, relativley speaking. Unless you're planning on only being a business programmer (which I hope you're not, you sound like a smart kid) having a C type language in your toolkit is helpful.
[03:11] <blt> Of course, C type languages are still used all the time in business.
[03:11] <__mikem> blt thanks
[03:11] <UFO> http://liw.iki.fi/liw/texts/linux-anecdotes how torvald got the idea to create linux it came allmost from driver programming :)
[03:12] <__mikem> The other thing was, he is still saying that I am wasting my time with assembly
[03:12] <__mikem> thanks UFO
[03:13] <__mikem> LOL, by the way blt, are you infering that business programmers are NOT smart
[03:14] <blt> Heh. Knowing assmebly is important. Not because you're going to spend a lot of time coding in it (god help you if you are) but because it drives into you an understanding of what the computer is actually doing. Any CS course worth it's salt will make you learn assembly. (Yeah. That's a certain bias that runs strong in academic circles. Hehe.)
[03:14] <robotgeek> it doesn't hurt at all to learn C though
[03:14] <Red_Herring> well
[03:15] <robotgeek> blt: i'm a mechanical engg, and i've coded in assembly.
[03:15] <Red_Herring> c++ is the foundation of 90% of the other languages outthere
[03:15] <Red_Herring> its a GREAT language to start on
[03:15] <__mikem> robotgeek Thats cool, hardware is not really my thing
[03:15] <_vge> Assembly is the mother of all headaches
[03:15] <__mikem> lol
[03:15] <__mikem> true
[03:16] <Red_Herring> why do all of you have a _ before your nicK?
[03:16] <robotgeek> Red_Herring: +1
[03:16] <UFO> assembly is most for chip programming... you can do same things with c++
[03:16] <Red_Herring> what?
[03:16] <_vge> cos my nick is so leet that everyone wants to use it
[03:16] <Red_Herring> +1
[03:16] <__mikem> because someone has already been using mikem
[03:16] <Red_Herring> oh
[03:16] <robotgeek> Red_Herring: i did not want to type the same thing :)
[03:16] <__mikem> Assembly programming is also good if you need to write fast code
[03:16] <__mikem> which granted you can do in c
[03:16] <robotgeek> Vge_: that tab completes more easily :)
[03:17] <__mikem> but sometimes even C is not enough
[03:17] <ewaldo> hallo
[03:17] <__mikem> hello
[03:17] <Vge_> true
[03:17] <robotgeek> lets all just get faster processors :)
[03:17] <coolio10> vv
[03:17] <__mikem> thats your department, your the engineer
[03:17] <coolio10>  ?
[03:17] <blt> robotgeek has a point. Programmer time is expensive, hardware isn't.
[03:18] <__mikem> So, that means more money for me
[03:18] <robotgeek> coolio10: is that a annoying away script ?
[03:19] <coolio10> yes
[03:19] <robotgeek> unless I really need to, i wouldn't step down to C. Like I had to for my robotics class
[03:19] <blt> Perhaps it means more money, but it's ideas that are important, not 10 milliseconds on a loop you spent six days on.
[03:19] <robotgeek> coolio10: please turn that off, it's pretty irritating. no one is interested, really
[03:20] <__mikem> I consider C and C++ to be on the same level, because when I use classes, I don't use them liberally like the "geniuses" who designed MFC did
[03:20] <blt> s/on a loop/from a loop/
[03:20] <coolio10>  ok :)
[03:20] <Nirvana> Anybody here know what is taught in grade 10 Computer Tech?
[03:20] <__mikem> I will through in a SMALL (emphasis on small) class representing a data structure
[03:20] <__mikem> I never go beyond 1 or 2 levels of inheritance
[03:20] <blt> Nirvana: That differs wildly from school to school.
[03:21] <__mikem> Id like to learn one of those AI programming languages like Fourth
[03:21] <__mikem> or Smalltalk
[03:21] <blt> robotgeek: ML is nice and lispy.
[03:21] <robotgeek> __mikem: forth is ugly!
[03:21] <robotgeek> blt: ML?
[03:21] <__mikem> I tried caml and Ocaml once
[03:21] <blt> Yeah, forth is dieing for a reason.
[03:21] <__mikem> I will never use any ML based languages again
[03:22] <blt> Heh, it was a joke. The University of Chicago is stuck on ML. The guy that wrote the compiler controls the CS department, so yeah. I still have nightmares.
[03:22] <robotgeek> pray, what is ML. I am a mechanical engineer, mind you :)
[03:22] <__mikem> blt that sounds horible
[03:22] <Nirvana> crap... wildly differences :( -- I really wanna break into C or something to (maybe python)
[03:22] <__mikem> I mean if you have even seen an ml source, you just can't help it scream WHY!!???
[03:22] <robotgeek> Nirvana: python is an excellent first programming language to learn
[03:23] <t3nd0> wow i tried to update to kernel 2.6.12-10-386 and the loader gets to *Checking Battery State and then hangs
[03:23] <blt> robotgeek: You can read about it in the wikipedia.
[03:23] <blt> Nirvana: I agree with robotgeek. Python is a lovely first language.
[03:23] <__mikem> I think people should get the hang of the basics with something like javascript, and then jump in to the language of their choice when they are ready to get their feat wet writing apps
[03:24] <__mikem> Thats actually how I learned
[03:24] <Nirvana> yeah I know... my cousin knows python.. and can teach me... but I don't wanna learn it if I can't use it in High School courses, because I'll just forget it
[03:24] <t3nd0> what about perl isnt that a good one to start with also?
[03:24] <__mikem> Ive seen python code, the syntax is very nice
[03:25] <Nirvana> ^same
[03:25] <blt> t3nd0: It depends. Do you like write only code? (Sort of joke.)
[03:25] <robotgeek> :)
[03:25] <__mikem> lol @ blt
[03:25] <t3nd0> yeah nice english hehe
[03:25] <Nomad411> I'm listening to radio streaming in vlc, is it normal that top shows artsd at 95% most of the time?
[03:25] <blt> Python is a lovely language. You can bang it out, have it not turn to swiss cheese, and then replace bits with C if speed is absolutely necissary.
[03:26] <robotgeek> Nirvana: no
[03:26] <Nirvana> yes?
[03:26] <Nirvana> no to what?
[03:26] <__mikem> so blt, when you said you hope I wasn't going to be a business programmer because "I sound like a smart kid" were you implying that business programmers were dumb
[03:26] <robotgeek> Nirvana: oops, tabcomplete error
[03:26] <dev_nu11> is there a file that is run when a machine boots up?
[03:26] <robotgeek> Nomad411: no, it;s not normal
[03:26] <Nirvana> there's an extension that fills out peoples names for you?? Do tell!
[03:27] <Nomad411> robotgeek: I would think not.. :(  What could I do to figure this out?
[03:27] <zblach> hey, quick question. how to kill running processes in kde?
[03:27] <__mikem> lol
[03:27] <robotgeek> Nirvana: just type "robot <tab>"
[03:27] <t3nd0> ON TOPIC: i tried to update to kernel 2.6.12-10-386 and the loader gets to *Checking Battery State and then hangs
[03:27] <t3nd0> :)
[03:27] <robotgeek> t3nd0: :)
[03:28] <Nirvana> OMG! I love you! that is so helpful!
[03:28] <blt> No, it just kind of seems like wasted talent. I'm a person that values innovation and research, not VB and TPS reports.
[03:28] <robotgeek> acpi=off stuff
[03:28] <t3nd0> TPS FTW
[03:28] <__mikem> VB and TPS reports  I don't even know what TPS reports are
[03:28] <robotgeek> __mikem: TPS reports are from "Office Space"
[03:28] <__mikem> I love that movie
[03:28] <blt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TPS_report
[03:28] <Nomad411> !artsd
[03:28] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Nomad411
[03:28] <zblach> xmms has locked, and it must be terminated. how?
[03:29] <__mikem> um, yeh, I am going to need you to come in saturday
[03:29] <__mikem> lol
[03:29] <robotgeek> zblach: open a konsole, and do a "killall xmms"
[03:29] <robotgeek> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TPS_report
[03:29] <blt> Actually TPS reports are used in QA in software houses. They're real, they're tedious, and they're evil.
[03:29] <__mikem> I will give one thing to the vb comunity, VB.net is loads better than vb6, (I tried vb.net out of morbid curiousity a few times)
[03:29] <robotgeek> Nomad411: can you try it with a different player, like xmms
[03:30] <robotgeek> Nomad411: or kaffeine
[03:30] <__mikem> lol, you seem to have some deap routed issues here blt
[03:30] <Nomad411> I just turned off vlc, it's still hovering at around 50%
[03:30] <zblach> robotgeek, is there a graphical client?
[03:31] <Nomad411> spikes up to 95%,
[03:31] <lordjoe> zblach: you can use KSysGuard (found in k menu -> system)
[03:31] <blt> __mikem: Mostly it stems from major authority problem; which is to say that I can't stand any of it.
[03:31] <blt> s/problem/problems/
[03:31] <robotgeek> zblach: right click on the panel, add applet to panel -> run away process catcher
[03:31] <zblach> lordjoe, thanks
[03:31] <__mikem> My dad has that problem with his boss, but the problem is in the sails department
[03:31] <__mikem> sales*
[03:32] <__mikem> He is vp of sales for CGI, but he writes software for them from time to time also
[03:32] <__mikem> I even wrote some code that monitors their press
[03:32] <Nomad411> weird, I turn off the mic in mixer and it,s still on
[03:32] <zblach> robotgeek, also thanks
[03:32] <robotgeek> http://www.chrisglass.com/journal/downloads/TPSreport.pdf
[03:32] <Nomad411> Anybody want an Audigy soundcard?  sucks!
[03:33] <zblach> Nomad411, they're not so bad
[03:33] <__mikem> I am using the XFI
[03:33] <Nomad411> I know..
[03:33] <__mikem> nomad
[03:33] <Nomad411> :)
[03:33] <Nomad411> But I have weird sound issues since updating to KDE 3.5
[03:34] <Nomad411> __mikem: __mikem?
[03:34] <__mikem> um?
[03:34] <__mikem> what?
[03:34] <Nomad411> you said nomad
[03:34] <__mikem> Yes
[03:34] <__mikem> I was talking to you
[03:34] <Red_Herring> its not a bug, its a feature!
[03:34] <__mikem> yup
[03:34] <robotgeek> Firefox 1.5 huh
[03:34] <Red_Herring> yeah
[03:34] <__mikem> a feature, thats what us software developers say to avoid the grill
[03:34] <blt> Meh, but whatever. I have this gut feeling that technology shouldn't enslave us, so things that don't press forward, as it were, tend to irk me.
[03:34] <robotgeek> Good PR :)
[03:35] <__mikem> I dread the day when all these RAD tools put people like me out of business
[03:35] <blt> RAD?
[03:35] <__mikem> Rapid APplication Development
[03:35] <Nomad411> !sound
[03:35] <ubotu> methinks sound is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[03:36] <robotgeek> Nomad411: does it also occur while using Kaffeine?
[03:36] <__mikem> good idea robotgeek, just don't hold me at ransome
[03:36] <robotgeek> </evil Dr. evil laughter>
[03:36] <blt> Oh. No, those won't put anyone out of business. Compilers are pretty much the same thing, assuming you spend all of your time writing assembler. People will just end up doing neater things, not wasting their time writing tedious code.
[03:37] <blt> Programmer time is expensive and precious.
[03:37] <__mikem> I know, but I hear these stories about these technologies where people created FULLY FUNCTIONAL apps with this tool where all they did was drag and drop a few things
[03:38] <__mikem> I can't stand the thought of these no tallent guys with a WYSIWYG taking credit for apps they didn't really write
[03:39] <blt> Right, but those tend to be rather bland applications anyway that do pretty much the same thing everyone else is doing, at least the drag and drop stuff.
[03:39] <__mikem> Yeh, but its tools like those that are truely EVIL, even more so than TPS reports
[03:39] <Nomad411> robotgeek: Installing kafeine
[03:40] <__mikem> People drag and drop, maybe write a few "event handlers" and think they are all that
[03:40] <__mikem> when the code they bearly even looked at compiles
[03:41] <Red_Herring> hey
[03:41] <blt> I wouldn't say they're evil. Automation is a splendid thing that tends to free creative people up, allowing them to make newer, neater things. People who think they're all that and a bag of chips for dragging and dropping are always going to exist, in one form or another.
[03:41] <Red_Herring> i write a nice ttt java prog
[03:41] <Red_Herring> anyone care to look?
[03:42] <__mikem> yeh, true, but it just makes me so mad, especially after all the hard work I did learning C++, Assembly, and other languages where a WYSIWYG and anything of the sort has no place
[03:42] <Nomad411> robotgeek: seems kafeine will not play any of the video formats I have
[03:42] <Nomad411> and it complains of missing alsa-sink when starting?
[03:43] <LjL> RAD tools are useful __mikem. they're just not the same thing as a plain text editor and compiler, which still have their very important place in my opinion
[03:43] <dev_nu11> I'm trying to find the file that runs when a machine boots up, is /etc/mkinitrd the right file?
[03:44] <robotgeek> Nomad411: better install kaffeine-xine
[03:44] <Nomad411> ok
[03:44] <LjL> everything has its place, there are cases where you need a RAD tool, and cases where you just sit down and write code.  the only sad thing is that these cases often get mixed up by people who know no better
[03:44] <robotgeek> dev_nu11: why are you doing that?
[03:44] <__mikem> thanks, I have no problem with rad tools, but when some vb programmer thinks they can presume to claim to tell me how to do my job, I just can't stand it
[03:44] <blt> I understand that, but you're probably a better coder for the hard work. The trick is, though, if they end up doing neater things who ends up coming out on top, add more. Sure, slashcode could have been written as an assembler language application, but there was no reason to do so. In the same vein, sometimes it's nice to have tedious code plunked down for you.
[03:45] <dev_nu11> __mikem: i want to run a program when i boot my machine
[03:45] <dev_nu11> i mean robotgeek
[03:45] <blt> dev_null: Do you want to add it to the bootup, or would a cron job suffice?
[03:45] <__mikem> find the startup script for your account, and add a line that starts the program you want to run dev_null
[03:45] <LjL> dev_nu11: i think you should write a script in /etc/init.d
[03:45] <dev_nu11> on bootup
[03:45] <blt> What program?
[03:46] <robotgeek> dev_nu11: "man update-rc.d"
[03:46] <__mikem> you may need to run as root to modify any startup scripts
[03:46] <dev_nu11> so everything in init.d gets run
[03:46] <dev_nu11> that sounds like what I need
[03:46] <blt> Why do you want everything in init.d to run?
[03:46] <LjL> dev_nu11: no, not until you use update-rc.d to tell it how and when to run
[03:46] <dev_nu11> ok, i'll read up on that, thanks
[03:46] <LjL> dev_nu11: also, scripts in /etc/init.d should have a specific format, namely they should accept "start", "stop" and "restart" as arguments
[03:47] <Nomad411> robotgeek: Nope, alsa-sink is still an issue.. I installed kaffeine-xine
[03:47] <blt> __mikem: Arrogant people are usually those that shouldn't be. It's a sad fact of life. VB/RoR/$FOO jerks will happen, but that doesn't mean their tools are bad.
[03:47] <Nomad411> I'm going to follow the recommendation sfrom the wiki and see where that leads
[03:47] <blt> Laundry time.
[03:48] <robotgeek> Nomad411: cool
[03:48] <LjL> dev_nu11: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/555362  this *should* be a decent template for an init.d script
[03:48] <Nomad411> robotgeek: thanks though :)
[03:49] <dev_nu11> LjL: thanks
[03:49] <__mikem> I have nothing against vb, .NET (which I use from time to time), and things like that, but people need to stop saying that things like .NET and managed code are the "future of application development"
[03:49] <robotgeek> Nomad411: SURE
[03:49] <dev_nu11> and everyone else
[03:49] <robotgeek> my bad, accidental caps locking
[03:49] <prospero2006> I
[03:49] <prospero2006> I'm an amatuer programmer, but it seems like Sun Java has about everything you need
[03:49] <LjL> __mikem: they might even be right, who knows
[03:50] <__mikem> I honestly hope not, I love low level stuff, as hard as it is, the chalange makes it fun
[03:51] <__mikem> what dns was that
[03:51] <prospero2006> Do you have any experience with sk_buff and how that works?
[03:51] <__mikem> RobotGeek, what dns was that
[03:51] <LjL> __mikem: yeah but APIs become more and more complicated, to the point where programming in C now is probably becoming as difficuly as was programming in assembler 20 years ago
[03:51] <robotgeek> __mikem: no clue, his ban time expired :)
[03:51] <__mikem> oh,
[03:52] <LjL> __mikem: i mean of course programming applications that have GUIs or some other complex interface to some toolkit, of course, a plain ANSI C console application will stay the same as it was 20 years ago
[03:52] <__mikem> LjL, my response to that is simple, BUILD A NEW API
[03:52] <robotgeek> like the amazing screen :)
[03:52] <LjL> __mikem: i would tend to say that too. but, perhaps i'm mistaken, but that approach seems to either be unfeasible or to be ignored...
[03:53] <__mikem> You don't see many console apps that are meant to run stand alone
[03:53] <LjL> __mikem: for some reason, APIs still keep getting more complicated, and instead of building new ones, people make tools to get around them
[03:54] <__mikem> yeh, no problem with that, but the code those tools generate should still be just as fast, otherwise its really like going one step forwards and two steps back
[03:54] <LjL> __mikem: i agree that it's mostly going backwards, but that doesn't surprise me, when today, in 2006, in need ten times more RAM than i needed 10 years ago, to do the same things
[03:55] <LjL> in=i
[03:55] <__mikem> We don't need more ram than we did then, back then we could only have up to 64 megs
[03:55] <__mikem> so we were kind of stuck writing software wthat was more conservative or resources
[03:55] <LjL> but apparently, we do need it, otherwise our programs grind to a halt
[03:55] <__mikem> yup
[03:56] <LjL> well i think it's only partially a problem of resource sparing
[03:56] <LjL> that's part of the problem, but another part of it is layering... today, we basically use the same operating systems, interfaces and stuff that we used 10 years ago. except they are now version 3294
[03:57] <__mikem> THe problem is, microsoft is trying to keep the newer versions of windows compatible with older versions of windows
[03:57] <LjL> which means layers over layers of compatibility, ugly patches around bugs, and so on have accumulated
[03:57] <__mikem> the win32 api is litered with examples of this
[03:57] <__mikem> for example "hinstance"
[03:58] <LjL> i don't think that's just a problem with MS, though i'll grant they're particularly "good" at it
[03:58] <__mikem> which is usually 0x00400000 for executable images
[03:58] <__mikem> good point
[03:58] <LjL> i'm sure it's a problem with gnu/linux as well
[03:58] <kosh> hmm I know that I need vastly more ram then I needed 10 years ago but I am in no way doing the same things
[03:58] <__mikem> Probably not as bad though
[03:58] <LjL> especially with desktop environments (no names please ;)
[03:58] <kosh> I am working with databases that are larger in size then the hard drives where 10 years ago and I have more ram then the hard drives where then also
[03:58] <blt> __mikem: Though what do you consider to be "fast" code. You can make all sorts of tradeoffs for speed at the sake of maintainability of resource usage, but where do you stop? What counts as fast?
[03:58] <__mikem> linux is just a better opperating
[03:58] <__mikem> system
[03:59] <kosh> LjL: the systems are in no way comparable
[03:59] <LjL> kosh: didn't say they were
[03:59] <__mikem> About the speed of a well writen Win32 App in C would be what I would like to aim for
[03:59] <kosh> LjL: 10 years ago you could not run many programs at the same time and they can't do even a tiny fraction of what modern software can
[03:59] <__mikem> maybe a bit slower but not much
[03:59] <blt> __mikem: Linux has kept backwards compatablity by having good APIs, and ignoring when having backwards compatability is a bad thing. And yes, we are doing vasly different thigns now which require more of everything..
[03:59] <__mikem> kosh, please don't go there, its just to ugly
[04:00] <blt> __mikem: Why?
[04:00] <LjL> blt: perhaps at "optimize the algorithm, not the code" ;) though i guess this makes little sense when one's talking about APIs and such...
[04:00] <__mikem> the way win95 handled multiple processes was horendous
[04:01] <blt> LjL: Exactly! A good algorithm in python is going to beat the crap out of a bad one in C. Languages don't really matter all that much. It's ideas that are the important bit.
[04:01] <kosh> __mikem: I know that for doing development I have 4 monitors and I have about 30 or so programs open right now, things like the ioslaves in kde save me a few hours per week in time
[04:01] <__mikem> yes, thats true, but try doing that on an old windows machine
[04:01] <kosh> __mikem: I could have a computer 10x more powerful and I could still use more
[04:01] <LjL> kosh: except that i said and meant doing the *same* things as 10 years ago... can i 1) load linux 2) let KDE or Gnome start 3) load KWord or Abiword or OOo or whatever and edit a document   ..... with 16 megs or RAM?
[04:01] <LjL> kosh: i could do this with *1* meg of RAM. and yes, it did multitask fairly nicely
[04:02] <kosh> LjL: run the versions from 10 years ago with the same size datasets then
[04:02] <__mikem> that would be interesting if we could get that legacy code to run
[04:02] <kosh> LjL: kword, abiword, gnome, kde etc are in no way comparable to the software of 10 years ago
[04:03] <blt> __mikem: Why that metric, a well written w32 C app? It seems rather arbitrary.
[04:03] <LjL> kosh: except that most of the things they did are the same things that i do now. perhaps we can call that features bloat?
[04:03] <kosh> fine you can call the features bloat
[04:03] <kosh> since I use the features I won't call them bloat
[04:04] <__mikem> Yes, but I am not to teribly specific with the speed of an app, but I don't want to see more tools with the poor performance of vb6
[04:04] <kosh> no software from 10 years ago that I ever found did url transparency, kde does and it saves me a massive ammount of time
[04:04] <LjL> kosh: with that metric, software will get infinitely bloated. for *any* given possible feature, you will find at least one user who'll make use of it
[04:04] <kosh> the language has very little to do with how fast the actual software runs
[04:04] <LjL> kosh: url transparency?
[04:05] <__mikem> no, but the design of the compiler will kosh
[04:05] <kosh> I have written stuff in bash that ran faster then a c++ program
[04:05] <kosh> most of the speed of the program is in the design of the program
[04:05] <__mikem> will, for trivial tasks, thats to be expected
[04:05] <kosh> not in the speed that it compiles to
[04:05] <__mikem> especially from the overhead of initialization
[04:05] <blt> I agree with kosh. Human time is expensive, hardware is not. Let features come in if it saves time. Also, he's entirely correct, again, about design being the most important aspect toward speed.
[04:05] <LjL> kosh: that's correct of course. and i claim that current software design basically stinks compared to N years ago
[04:05] <__mikem> which is where most of the lag comes form
[04:05] <kosh> for almost every task I have run into I have been able to write software in python that was written faster, ran faster and had far fewer bugs then the equiv c++ version
[04:06] <__mikem> well, python (I have never used it) from what I hear is a good language
[04:06] <__mikem> I will probably learn it when I get a chance
[04:06] <kosh> LjL: url transparency in kde means from any file open/save dialog box I have use sftp, ftp, http, https, webdav, webdavs etc etc to load and save
[04:06] <LjL> kosh: that's good. but then why doesn't that happen normally? *that*'s the whole point
[04:06] <bimberi> noirequus: ping! (need help in #ubuntu)
[04:06] <robotgeek> bimberi: here is at work
[04:06] <__mikem> brb
[04:06] <kosh> LjL: most c++ apps run darn slow, most c ones do also
[04:06] <LjL> kosh: oh, yes, i could definitely do that 10 years ago. though i just had FTP and HTTP among the ones you mentioned
[04:06] <robotgeek> he, err
[04:07] <blt> Python is a great language, but it runs much more "slowly" that a C app. But the language allows for more clear design, with fewer bugs.
[04:07] <kosh> LjL: so from any application you used you could open and save to those resources transparently?
[04:07] <LjL> kosh: yes
[04:07] <bimberi> robotgeek: yeah i know - just trying anything i can think of :/
[04:07] <robotgeek> he fixed it, i guess
[04:07] <LjL> kosh: i just needed a handler for the specific device, HTTP, FTP, disk or whatever
[04:07] <kosh> LjL: and what os would that be?
[04:07] <bimberi> :)
[04:08] <LjL> kosh: AmigaOS
[04:08] <kosh> blt: the speed of a language has very little to do with the speed of the program in most cases that I have run into
[04:08] <LjL> kosh: also, that wasn't specific to the "desktop environment" like it is now in KDE. it was part of the filing system
[04:09] <kosh> blt: for example while python may be a slower language if you are dealingwith images then the odds are most of the running time of the software will be in the image code which you will offload to a nice optimized library that lots of other software uses
[04:09] <__mikem> the language has nothing to do with it, its the assembly the compiler generates, and the quality of the code
[04:09] <LjL> kosh: i could type in the shell "copy HTTP:www.google.com/index.html Work:Documents/GoogleHome.html" for example
[04:09] <kosh> bit about 90% of the performance ends up being in 10% of the code
[04:09] <__mikem> did you know that 96% of the code in an mfc app is NEVER EVER ONCE executed
[04:10] <kosh> LjL: not the same thing, from the file dialog in any kde app I can just type sftp://username@server and hit enter and I can log in, autocomplete to where I am going and select a file for load and save
[04:10] <kosh> the problem is that most people that do things programming, cooking, driving cars etc suck badly at it and don't really want to learn
[04:11] <kosh> I have seen some horribly slow software written in python
[04:11] <LjL> kosh: but i could do that as well, i mentioned the shell because it does *not* work like that in KDE, but i could also use HTTP in a file dialog in any application. no auto-completion, though
[04:11] <_bill> hi yall
[04:11] <kosh> I have even helped some people speed up the software by a factor of a thousand with a few simple changes
[04:11] <LjL> __mikem: doesn't surprise me at all, especially when i see huge PocketPC apps that do basically nothing, and the equivalent Symbian apps taking like 20KB
[04:12] <__mikem> The thing that I would like to know is why does that code exist though?
[04:12] <_bill> I have kubuntu 5.10 64bit version...any one know why the JVM won't work?
[04:14] <blt> Goodnight all. It's been interesting. Thank you to those who tried to help.
[04:14] <robotgeek> blt: night
[04:14] <__mikem> good night blt
[04:14] <LjL> kosh: really, this brings to my mind another point concerting excessive layering... though not API layering this time, but filesystem layering. why do i have a filesystem in my OS, and then my KDE (or Gnome for that matter) superimposes *another* thing which looks and smells like a filesystem, but isn't quite a filesystem, and is different from the real filesystem? (and only works with KDE apps)
[04:15] <LjL> kosh: i even read people *advocating* filesystem hiding. that's just crazy, why not just make a good-looking filesystem hierarchy in the first place?
[04:15] <LjL> kosh: the answer is easy of course: tradition and backwards compatibility
[04:15] <LjL> kosh: precisely the same thing that, i think, ruins APIs
[04:16] <kosh> LjL: kde does it becaues not all operating systems provide the resources necessary
[04:16] <kosh> LjL: kde runs on a heck of a lot of things and the odds are good that kde4 will even be ported to windows
[04:17] <__mikem> http://liw.iki.fl/liw/texts/programming-truths.html some of these are really funny
[04:17] <kosh> LjL: the ioslaves though means I can open/save files to my rackspace server and many other transparently, I can just use sftp and don't end up spending my time with an sftp app to copy locally, edit, remember to copy back etc
[04:18] <thompa> !amarok
[04:18] <LjL> kosh: fine, but this way KDE takes up some (or many) of the functions of an operating system as well, which wasn't was KDE was intended to be. it all becomes a mess, with duplication of roles, duplication of features, and inconsistencies that are very apparent to the user
[04:18] <ubotu> amarok is, like, a music player for Linux and Unix with an intuitive interface. See http://amarok.kde.org ; amaroK's features: http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/51/1/
[04:18] <LjL> kosh: yes, but again, AmigaOS could very easily do that *inside* the "real" filesystem, no need for any additional layer mixed up with the GUI
[04:18] <__mikem> http://liw.iki.fl/liw/texts/programming-truths.html some of these are really funny
[04:18] <kosh> LjL: I can't think of many os that provide support for things like that
[04:19] <__mikem> what the
[04:19] <LjL> kosh: Linux does, in its weird ugly way
[04:19] <kosh> LjL: actually plan9 and linux just recently got the ability to do it
[04:19] <__mikem> I didnt type that
[04:19] <LjL> kosh: just mount your server somewhere, and it will
[04:19] <kosh> LjL: only very recently and bsd, solaris, aix, hpux, etc can't
[04:19] <LjL> kosh: i can even type "/ftp/ftp.something.com/blah" in linux, just like i did on AmigaOS, except with uglier syntax
[04:20] <__mikem> night
[04:20] <thompa> if you dont want all the options of kde there is always gnome
[04:20] <__mikem> when in gnome do as the ...
[04:20] <LjL> thompa: that's not the point, gnome has its "virtual file system" (VFS) as well
[04:20] <__mikem> lol
[04:21] <__mikem> I can't finish that pun, two painful
[04:21] <LjL> guess so
[04:21] <kosh> LjL: both of them developed a vfs layer since the systems they ran on did not have a common vfs layer, it makes portability far easier, the plan now is to work on merging the vfs layers they use into a common library
[04:21] <kosh> LjL: once that is finished then it can be merged down
[04:21] <thompa> where is latest amarok?
[04:21] <kosh> LjL: it really does make more sense to solve the problem at hand rather then try to design a perfect solution the first time
[04:21] <LjL> kosh: and it will still not really be "merged", because it won't work, for example, in a console
[04:22] <LjL> kosh: oh, that's an understandable point of view as well, for sure
[04:22] <kosh> LjL: the idea is that long term it will be put into a library that just about very program will use
[04:22] <kosh> LjL: even in the console
[04:23] <kosh> LjL: however since it was the kde and gnome developers that really wanted this feature since it saves such a large ammount of time in a gui they are the ones that did it first
[04:23] <julian> hey everybody
[04:23] <LjL> kosh: but, really, i don't think it has been done all that well (but then again, perhaps i was too used to amigaos ;) -- for example, in Amarok, i cannot use a Samba share as my collection directory. why? any user will try, fail, and wonder why all his life
[04:23] <kosh> __mikem: some problems are fixed by hardware, if you need to work with a large db no ammount of optimization will make it run on a machine without enough ram :)
[04:24] <julian> just running kubuntu for the first time. having some questions already
[04:24] <kosh> LjL: no idea on that, I have not used samba
[04:24] <__mikem> Well, thats granted, but there needs to be balance
[04:24] <LjL> kosh: also, files from samba or ftp or whatever get copied to the local disk first. that's unintuitive, and people wonder why it doesn't work the same way when they actually *mount* their samba share
[04:25] <julian> alright, nevermind
[04:25] <LjL> kosh: i guess it will do the same thing with any ioslave except "file://" (which, i guess, isn't really treated as such)
[04:25] <kosh> LjL: I mostly work with remote systems where the connection is encrypted like sftp and it does what I need for that
[04:25] <kosh> __mikem: yup there are lots of things to balance, you have to profile, see how much you can speed it up trivially, and then find out what the cost of the speed you need is vs the cost of the hardware at least for writing custom applications
[04:26] <LjL> kosh: yeah, in those applications that happen to support it correctly... which, seeing the Amarok case, aren't even just the KDE applications, but a *subset* of them
[04:26] <kosh> __mikem: if it iwll take 30K in time but only 5K in hardware then the hardware is cheaper
[04:26] <__mikem> Yeh, but hardware aint my problem, leave it to the hardware guys
[04:27] <kosh> LjL: I don't think the media layer in general handles remote resources since it tries to do stuff to files that those remote resources don't support
[04:27] <kosh> LjL: that is why there is not a common library yet that is pushed down, it still needs work
[04:27] <LjL> kosh: but, really, i think the problem with this "virtual file systems" thing lies with Linux and its monolithic architecture. if filesystem drivers didn't have to be part of the kernel, it would very easy to *download new filesystems on the fly*, and mount Samba, NFS, SFTP or whatever without any troubles at all
[04:28] <kosh> LjL: it is not amarok that is broken or the ioslaves that are broken
[04:28] <kosh> LjL: this has squat to do with linux, this has to do with working on any unix
[04:28] <__mikem> we have had a lot of people in here complaining about amarok
[04:28] <kosh> I like amarok, I use the xine output on it so I can get 7.1 audio
[04:28] <__mikem> I like Kaffine
[04:29] <kosh> LjL: why do you keep going after the idea that kde is somehow tied to linux?
[04:29] <LjL> kosh: if linux gave us an easy way to do that, KDE and Gnome could make use of it when running on Linux, and revert to "virtual" when running on system that don't have such features
[04:30] <thompa> ok so amarok 1.4 is only for dapper it seems
[04:30] <LjL> thompa: www.kubuntu.org
[04:30] <__mikem> LjL, sounds like how dirrectx works
[04:30] <kosh> LjL: wel linux only added an easy way to do it a few months ago, however writing software like that is harder
[04:30] <kosh> __mikem: must be why the old directx apps I have tried no longer work ;)
[04:31] <__mikem> lol yeh I can imagine
[04:31] <__mikem> DirectX code is Horendous to look at
[04:31] <__mikem> I tried learning it once, but It got so painful, after a while I said screw this
[04:31] <LjL> kosh: so, we're back to the quality of software, aren't we. anyway, i'm interested in this new stuff in linux, do you have a pointer?
[04:32] <kosh> software in general is hard to write, hard to debug
[04:32] <kosh> LjL: it is call fuse
[04:32] <kosh> LjL: let me find a link
[04:32] <thompa> LjL: thanks I found it, i had read the intro to this irc about amarok 1.4 beta
[04:32] <thompa> but im not going to run dapper
[04:32] <LjL> kosh: oh, fuse... it's a bit older than a few months i think, though perhaps it's only been added to the mainstream kernel recently
[04:33] <LjL> thompa: but 1.4 beta runs on *breezy*
[04:33] <kosh> http://kerneltrap.org/node/4517
[04:33] <kosh> LjL: yup only recently added to the maintstream kernel
[04:33] <kosh> LjL: fuse also has a fuse-kio module so you can mount any ioslave using fuse so it can be usable from the console
[04:34] <LjL> kosh: and make things even more convoluted than they already are... =) well i admit that will be useful, though convoluted
[04:34] <__mikem> brb got to pop my contact lenses
[04:34] <kosh> __mikem: and customers won't pay the time it takes to do stuff, they keep demanding more features in less time at less cost etc, something has got to give in that situation and it is almost always speed and quality
[04:35] <kosh> LjL: why is that more convoluted, the kio items are userspace filesystem drivers they are just normally only used by kde
[04:35] <kosh> LjL: now that the kernel has a way of doing userspace drivers someone made it so it could use ones that are already written
[04:36] <kosh> LjL: remember with modern software unless a feature is used you don't pay a memory cost for it since it won't be loaded off the disk
[04:36] <LjL> kosh: yes, it makes sense at the end of the day. though, i wonder, how tied to KDE are those drivers?
[04:36] <LjL> kosh: when i try to use, say, the SFTP kioslave from the console, will a KDE window pop up saying "copying file..."?
[04:37] <kosh> LjL: they are not tied to kde
[04:37] <__mikem> ok I am back
[04:37] <kosh> LjL: they where just written as part of the kde project
[04:37] <kosh> LjL: kde is pretty clean and modular
[04:37] <thompa> LjL: the web site says dapper for amarok, is there some other way to install it?
[04:38] <LjL> kosh: you know, i was just receintly thinking about using FUSE to get a versioning file system, there is one around
[04:38] <LjL> thompa: you're correct, my fault. i was sure i had read "breezy" earlier on today
[04:39] <thompa> needs a newer version of taglib.
[04:39] <thompa> you would think if they announce it here it would be for breezy
[04:40] <kosh> writing good software is very very hard which is why most of it does not even approach good
[04:41] <thompa> and what i like about kubuntu is that it presents kde in a nice way menus and all
[04:41] <LjL> thompa: if taglib is the only problem, then i would probably try compiling dapper's taglib into breezy. taglib doesn't depend on anything except the C libraries
[04:42] <thompa> im going to see if current amarok is sufficent first
[04:43] <robotgeek> thompa: yeah, it works well :)
[04:46] <LjL> night
[04:49] <zblach> the k panel died. how to resurrect?
[04:49] <robotgeek> zblach: alt + f2 , kicker
[04:49] <kosh> alt-f2 kicker
[04:50] <zblach> robotgeek,thanks
[04:53] <brydenn> bbl guys
[04:53] <brydenn> gotta make a windows xp HD ;)
[04:53] <brydenn> hold up.. question
[04:53] <brydenn> can i have a dual boot with 2 different HDs?
[04:54] <brydenn> like this one is Kubuntu... my slave will be Windows XP Pro
[04:54] <brydenn> can i have Grub ask me which one i want to boot to?
[04:56] <brydenn> oh come on... not all of you are idling
[04:57] <kosh> hmm
[04:57] <kosh> you can do it but I don't think you can do it with windows as the secondary drive
[04:57] <robotgeek> brydenn: i have no clue about grub
[04:57] <_aaron> hey... I'm having problems with su   and my apt-repository list
[04:57] <brydenn> damn
[04:58] <brydenn> i want Kubuntu to be the master
[04:58] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[04:58] <kosh> linux does not care what drive it boots off of
[04:58] <Snake__> brydenn: google around
[04:58] <kosh> however windows does care
[04:58] <_aaron> I added the nokia 770 repository using aptititude, and I think it pulled some incompatible stuff from it
[04:58] <Psi-Jack> That was the most annoying installation of Kubuntu I've had to deal with yet.
[04:58] <kosh> there are ways of working around it in grub but they are a pain
[04:58] <kosh> why was it annoying?
[04:59] <_aaron> and I can't remove the repository.. because my "su" doesn't seem to be working to get into aptitude
[04:59] <kwewu14> anyone know how to fix a failed to load nvidia kernel module when i startx?
[04:59] <_aaron> and I can't find the /etc/apt/apt.conf
[04:59] <Psi-Jack> For some reason, my new Kubuntu installation's startup, does /not/ bring up eth0. How do I fix that?
[05:00] <robotgeek> _aaron: dapper
[05:00] <kosh> brydenn: do you already have windows installed on the second drive?
[05:00] <brydenn> not yet kosh
[05:00] <brydenn> i'm gonna do it now though
[05:00] <brydenn> thats why i was gonna ask before i left
[05:00] <_aaron> Psi-Jack: in the control panel!
[05:00] <_aaron> Psi-Jack: it works!
[05:01] <brydenn> i'll figure it out Kosh
[05:01] <brydenn> :) ttyl
[05:01] <_aaron> Psi-Jack: .. I mean... youdon't have to do funky ifconfig stuff
[05:01] <Psi-Jack> _aaron: There is no X on that server box. X will not be involved either.
[05:01] <_aaron> Psi-Jack: or edit ... ok.. I thought you were running kubuntu
[05:01] <Psi-Jack> ifup eth0 works, to bring it up MANUALLY.
[05:01] <Psi-Jack> _aaron: I am. Installed using server-expert mode.
[05:01] <_aaron> Psi-Jack: etc/init.d/
[05:02] <kwewu14> anyone know how to fix a failed to load nvidia kernel module when i startx?
[05:02] <sniff> is anyone able to give me a little advice please?
[05:02] <_aaron> or rc-update something like that if it's similar to debian
[05:02] <kwewu14> i already reinstalled nvidia-glx
[05:02] <sniff> I'd really like to know what "configure: error: --enable-application=APP is required" means and how to fix it?
[05:02] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: sudo <edit> /etc/network/interfaces and add auto eth0
[05:02] <Psi-Jack> update-rc.d?
[05:02] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: Hmm, auto eth0?
[05:03] <wC> hi
[05:03] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: that will bring it up at boot
[05:03] <thompa> how do you reload packages with adept?
[05:03] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: I see. No real particular place I need to put it, is there? heh
[05:03] <_aaron> Psi-Jack: yes,
[05:03] <thompa> just curious, usually i do apt-get update
[05:03] <sniff> thompa: click on FETCH PACKAGES
[05:03] <wC> awhile back someone told me a string to create my own .deb file from source..... but i had made an alias to make it easier and i forgot the command(s)
[05:03] <wC> anybody know them?
[05:04] <Ashex> hey
[05:04] <thompa> sniff: fetch updates?  ok
[05:04] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell wC about checkinstall
[05:04] <Ashex> I got a question
[05:04] <kwewu14> Psi-Jack: was that to me?
[05:04] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: Hmmm. Looking on my own system, and my other server, there is no auto eth0...
[05:04] <wC> thanks robotgeek
[05:04] <Ashex> How would I go about installing Kubuntu to a usb sotrage device?
[05:04] <wC> sounds familiar, i think that was it :-d
[05:04] <sniff> thompa: yeah, click this after your change the sources.list for example
[05:04] <robotgeek> Ashex: it's pretty complicated with breezy
[05:04] <_aaron> YaY... I got aptitude running in a console... but I can't find the way to edit the apt config file, as in the X mode
[05:04] <Psi-Jack> kwewu14: Did I say your nick, at all, in any of my recent conversation? :-/
[05:05] <wC> yep that was it, thanks so much man
[05:05] <sniff>  I'd really like to know what "configure: error: --enable-application=APP is required" means and how to fix it?
[05:05] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: Why do neither of the other two systems I have, running Kubuntu, have auto eth0?
[05:06] <Ashex> robotgeek: how complicated?
[05:06] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: weird
[05:06] <Psi-Jack> And, eth0 is brought up, on both.
[05:06] <robotgeek> Ashex: does you computer support booting from a USB drive?
[05:06] <Ashex> robotgeek: yup, I've used syslinux to boot feather linux off a thumbdrive
[05:06] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: i am lost, i thought that it was required. <sigh>
[05:07] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: BTW, that system has a flakey CD-ROM drive, so I barely got Kubuntu installed. LOL. It finally did, but it did not get to properly post-install, so I did apt-get install ubuntu-base after I got the network up. ;)
[05:07] <thompa> !dvd
[05:07] <ubotu> somebody said dvd was DVDs may require libdvdcss2, which is available at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:07] <robotgeek> Ashex: this syslinux is a CD?
[05:08] <Ashex> robotgeek: nope, just a bootstrap
[05:08] <robotgeek> Ashex: yeah, but a bootstrap cd
[05:08] <Ashex> robotgeek: I don't believe so
[05:08] <sniff> thompa: did it work ok>?
[05:09] <thompa> no sources dont work
[05:09] <robotgeek> Ashex: does it allow you to make changes to where you can boot off ?
[05:09] <Ashex> robotgeek: I didn't use a cd, when I set it all up I just ran syslinux against my thumbdrive
[05:09] <thompa> got to find some new ones on there
[05:09] <sniff> your souces are wrong?
[05:09] <thompa> well it says some are slow or may not work
[05:09] <sniff> do you want to do a pastebin of your sources file?
[05:09] <robotgeek> Ashex: hmm, i am lost. how does this bootstrap thing work?
[05:10] <sniff> thompa: paste here one of the internet sources
[05:10] <_aaron> So folks, where is my apt.config
[05:10] <sniff> thompa: that is slow
[05:10] <thompa> deb http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl/ breezy-seveas all
[05:10] <Ashex> robotgeek: syslinux is just a MBR that I installed on the thumbdrive
[05:10] <sniff> mm
[05:10] <sniff> is there another mirror available for that one?
[05:10] <robotgeek> Ashex: well, if your system can boot from a external USB device, it should be pretty easy
[05:10] <sniff> personally i don't use it
[05:11] <thompa> yes there are like a dozen mirrors
[05:11] <Ashex> robotgeek: that's what I'm hoping, I just burned the kubuntu dvd and don't have much space on my laptop
[05:11] <Ashex> the DVD image has ATI video drivers, correct?
[05:11] <robotgeek> Ashex: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80811
[05:12] <robotgeek> Ashex: i have no idea, i dont' use ATI/Nvdia
[05:12] <Ashex> >.<
[05:12] <Ashex> robotgeek: I think it does, I was told Ubuntu DVD has both ati and nvidia.
[05:12] <robotgeek> Ashex: cool, i'll keep that in mind
[05:14] <sniff> hey guys, how do i change the default webbrowser in kubuntu to firefox
[05:15] <robotgeek> kcontrol -> Components -> Web Browser
[05:15] <sniff> ha!
[05:15] <sniff> ok!!!
[05:16] <thompa> oh! i did not add sources correctly
[05:16] <sniff> oh yes!! thank robotgeek
[05:17] <sniff> robotgeek: byt the way i don't have kcontrol
[05:17] <zblach> hey, what's good for ripping cds?
[05:17] <sniff> but got the SYTEM SETTINGS -> USER ACCOUNTS
[05:17] <robotgeek> sniff: yes you do, alt + f2, kcontrol :)
[05:18] <thompa> now its working, i forgot to add "all" to list of sections
[05:18] <sniff> robotgeek: ah thanksin bittornado i
[05:19] <zblach> i thought KsCD was for ripping
[05:19] <sniff> robotgeek: bittornado keeps giving me an error, "problem connecting to tracker - timeout exceeded" any idea about this please?
[05:19] <robotgeek> sniff: nope
[05:19] <sniff> mmm, anyone know about this?
[05:20] <sniff> i have like 0 experience with bittornado
[05:20] <robotgeek> sniff: do you have port forwarding setup correctly?
[05:20] <sniff> mmmm
[05:20] <sniff> i'm not on nat or using firewall
[05:20] <sniff> do i still need to worry about this?
[05:21] <robotgeek> nope
[05:24] <sniff> i got one other thing bugging me
[05:25] <robotgeek> go ahead sniff
[05:25] <luisito> hello
[05:25] <robotgeek> hey luisito
[05:25] <sniff> robotgeek: everytime i restart my computer I must open a terminal and type "pon dsl-provider" to enable my internet connection. When I ran pppoeconf I told it to connect automatically/
[05:25] <Ashex> oh man
[05:25] <Ashex> this is going to be fun
[05:25] <robotgeek> sniff: sorry, i have no clue about that!
[05:26] <sniff> mmmm :(
[05:26] <Ashex> I've got 2 partitions right now on my external
[05:26] <luisito> how can I use the 1280x1024 resolution? I don't have it as an option, just at 1024x768. And my monitor can handle it.
[05:26] <Ashex> I'm going to resize one
[05:26] <Ashex> so I'll have 3
[05:26] <Ashex> :)
[05:26] <sniff> is there a startup file in kde, which you can add things like this to?
[05:27] <robotgeek> luisito, 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' in a terminal
[05:28] <furntree> anyonek know how to get a radeon x850 driver to work
[05:32] <Ashex> anyone happen to have a preference on windows partitioners?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> sure, the installer disk seems to work pretty well - kubuntu installer
[05:33] <Ashex> I need to resize a partition first
[05:33] <prospero2006> whenever I click on an mp3, it always opens with audacity. Any help?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> kubuntu installer resizes
[05:34] <Ashex> hookay, despite my paranoia on uses kubuntu to resize, I'll try it :P
[05:34] <Snake__> prospero2006: give me a moment, ill write out directions
[05:34] <prospero2006> Thanks snake, Not sure how to pm you
[05:35] <ownerx> i managed to fix it so all the media show up in media://
[05:35] <Ashex> . /msg username message
[05:35] <Ashex> or use /query to open a window
[05:36] <Snake__> prospero2006: Open konqueror --> Click settings --> click Configure konqueror --> click "File Associations" on the side --> in the search field type "MP3" --> Open MP3, and then move the application you want to use to the top of the list
[05:36] <prospero2006> thanks snake
[05:36] <Snake__> Yep
[05:38] <Ashex> defragging takes forever :/
[05:40] <thompa> !mplayer
[05:40] <ubotu> mplayer is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[05:40] <ownerx> !klik
[05:40] <ubotu> hmm... klik is at  http://dot.kde.org/1126867980/
[05:41] <thompa> hmm where is mplayer?
[05:42] <thompa> universe seems to be enabled
[05:43] <thompa> is there something that supports widescreen format?
[05:54] <Snake__> hry Kamping_Kaiser
[05:55] <Snake__> hey* too :)
[05:56] <Red_Herring> http://rj.selfip.com/myprograms.php
[05:56] <Red_Herring> ^suggestions?
[05:57] <dev_nu11> do you have to defrag an ext3 filesystem?
[05:57] <dev_nu11> or perforam any kind of maintenance
[05:58] <thompa> !xine
[05:58] <ubotu> thompa: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:58] <Snake__> dev_nu11: good question
[05:59] <thompa> i cant seem to get kaffeine to play movies, cant find mplayer, vlc wont play widescreen
[05:59] <Snake__> Firetech: This question gets asked a lot. Linux filesystems defragment themselves automatically - human intervention isn't needed. But to make it work properly, you do need to be sure that you keep some empty space (about 20%) on your partitions.
[05:59] <Snake__> Ah crap
[05:59] <Snake__> dev_nu11: This question gets asked a lot. Linux filesystems defragment themselves automatically - human intervention isn't needed. But to make it work properly, you do need to be sure that you keep some empty space (about 20%) on your partitions.
[06:00] <thompa> how do you enable universe repos in kubuntu?
[06:00] <Snake__> !sources
[06:00] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:00] <Snake__> robotgeek_away: there ya go
[06:00] <Snake__> ARGHHH
[06:00] <thompa> thats for ubuntu
[06:00] <Snake__> thompa:
[06:00] <Snake__> thats for you
[06:01] <thompa> adept shows universe enabled
[06:01] <Snake__> thompa: then update and it should work
[06:01] <thompa> but i cant find mplayer
[06:02] <Snake__> thompa: I would help, but I got to get some rest, sorry :(
[06:02] <thompa> thats ok
[06:02] <Snake__> Its midnight here, got to be up at 5 :)
[06:03] <bimberi> thompa: mplayer is in multiverse
[06:04] <thompa> bimberi: hi, so do i just add mutiverse to some of these repos
[06:04] <bimberi> thompa: yes, wherever you see universe basically
[06:05] <thompa> ok thanks, thats simple
[06:05] <bimberi> thompa: hi btw :)
[06:06] <thompa> bimberi: what i want to do is watch something in widescreen
[06:06] <thompa> or something that has that option
[06:06] <bimberi> thompa: yes, i've seen that, i know nothing of it though :|
[06:06] <bimberi> mplayer is probably a good thing to try though
[06:07] <dev_nu11> Snake|Sleep:  thanks
[06:08] <thompa> ok thanks.
[06:17] <paulproteus> Riddell: Bug with your Amarok packages - they don't list libakode-dev as a build-dependency.
[06:17] <paulproteus> Use pbuilder! (-;
[06:17] <paulproteus> But more seriously, do fix the build-depends.  That'd rock. (-:
[06:24] <bur[n] er_> anyone know how to get a USB device to show up in media:/ ?
[06:24] <robotgeek> bur[n] er_: hey
[06:24] <bur[n] er_> hi robotgeek :)
[06:30] <rich0rd> bur[n] er_: does dmsg or /var/log/messages show anything?
[06:30] <bur[n] er_> says stuff about sda1
[06:30] <bur[n] er_> but /media/sda1 is non-existant
[06:30] <rich0rd> #define stuff
[06:31] <rich0rd> is not claimed by any driver?
[06:31] <bur[n] er_> [4485677.729000]  SCSI device sda: 251008 512-byte hdwr sectors (129 MB)
[06:31] <bur[n] er_> [4485677.732000]  sda: Write Protect is off
[06:31] <bur[n] er_> [4485677.732000]  sda: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
[06:31] <bur[n] er_> [4485677.733000]  sda: assuming drive cache: write through
[06:31] <bur[n] er_> [4485677.733000]   sda: sda1
[06:31] <bur[n] er_> [4485677.740000]  sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sda
[06:31] <bur[n] er_> [4485677.766000]  sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0
[06:32] <bur[n] er_> usb-storage driver
[06:32] <bur[n] er_> it's like it's not automounted
[06:33] <robotgeek> bur[n] er_: yeah, that happens i think. i dunno why
[06:33] <robotgeek> bur[n] er_: kdedmediamanager or something like that
[06:33] <bur[n] er_> it works if i mount it by hand
[06:34] <rich0rd> oh i thought it was not recognized by the driversystem at all
[06:34] <robotgeek> bur[n] er_: i think it's a known bug, look on malone
[06:34] <robotgeek> rich0rd: it will show up in /media, but not in media:// in konq
[06:34] <bur[n] er_> no no, just the automagical mount stuff for KDE isn't working
[06:34] <bur[n] er_> it doesn't show up in /media for me either
[06:34] <bur[n] er_> i had to mkdir /media/usb && mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb
[07:04] <supernix> well I got screwed on my update
[07:04] <supernix> I updated to breezy from hoary but something went wrong and when I rebooted poof no more KDE
[07:05] <Ashex> Geez, Defragging an external takes forever
[07:05] <bur[n] er_> supernix: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg maybe?
[07:06] <supernix> that would have been nice to no as I could only think of doing a reinstall regretably and lost all my old information
[07:06] <supernix> err *know
[07:07] <ownerx> upgrades are often messy
[07:07] <ownerx> between major releases
[07:07] <ownerx> the dapper one will be messy i bet
[07:08] <bur[n] er_> ownerx: i don't think so
[07:08] <bur[n] er_> ownerx: so far, nothing "drastic"
[07:09] <ownerx> i think ill do a fresh install when it comes out
[07:09] <ownerx> because its 800+ mb to upgrade anyway
[07:10] <ownerx> with 1400+ packages upgraded
[07:14] <bur[n] er_> anyway, bed time... night
[07:16] <sniff> bur[n] er_: my usb was like this too, but after a SAFE UPDATE in adept and retart my computer it works perfectly!!
[07:17] <sniff> make sure you do this and delte your manual entries in fstab
[07:23] <_tac> alguien habka espaol?
[07:25] <Hobbsee> !es
[07:25] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:26] <kosh> I speak english, bad english, python, a little c++ and a few others ;)
[07:29] <johan> hello
[07:29] <johan> any indonesian here?
[07:32] <johan> hellooo..
[07:32] <ownerx> are you indonesian?
[07:32] <johan> yup
[07:32] <johan> u?
[07:35] <johan> i need help from ubuntu expert...
[07:36] <ownerx> !in
[07:36] <ubotu> ownerx: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:38] <sniff> mmmm
[07:38] <rich0rd> nnnn
[07:38] <sniff> any ideas on why all my movies appeared washed out and lack colour and definition?
[07:38] <rich0rd> monitor?
[07:39] <darth_chatri> is oo2 a dependency of kubuntu-desktop?
[07:39] <robotgeek> darth_chatri: kubuntu-desktop is a meta package, to get all the stuff your system needs
[07:39] <kosh> sniff: movies you made or movies you got some other way?
[07:40] <darth_chatri> but if i want to remove oo2, its removing kubuntu-desktop as well
[07:40] <sniff> like my downloads
[07:40] <sniff> i know how they should look like cos they work fine in wind**s
[07:40] <robotgeek> darth_chatri: sure, no problems
[07:41] <darth_chatri> robotgeek: so its ok if kubuntu-desktop gets removed? will it removed other packages that are part of the meta package?
[07:42] <kosh> hmm I have never seen a visual quality difference between windows and linux for videos
[07:42] <robotgeek> darth_chatri: it's a meta package, it doesn't really do anything but install stuff
[07:42] <kosh> sniff: I recommend exorcism
[07:43] <darth_chatri> robotgeek: ok, thanks. but will removing the metapackage orphan the others?
[07:44] <robotgeek> darth_chatri: they will be "orphaned" anyways if you did not install with aptitude
[07:44] <darth_chatri> robotgeek: i installed with apt-get, and removing with apt-get
[07:44] <robotgeek> darth_chatri: nope, you need "debfoster"
[07:45] <supernix> what do you have to have installed for Kaffience to play mpg files ?
[07:45] <robotgeek> supernix, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:45] <robotgeek> mpg's should play out of the box, though
[07:45] <quinn> mpeg ain't restricted dude
[07:45] <quinn> my guess?  you have a bad movie file
[07:46] -RobLevin:#kubuntu- We are doing some upgrades you might want to type /server irc.freenode.net to the newer servers. Thanks.
[07:46] <rich0rd> supernix: maybe the colorsettings for this resolution are not good?
[07:47] <rich0rd> i never had any problems with movies (except the wmf "format")
[07:47] <kosh> what kind of monitor are you using sniff?
[07:48] <crimsun> now why did z@tor/session/x-59ecf073efcfd2e9 just notice "We are doing some upgrades you might want to type /server irc.freenode.net to the newer servers. Thanks."?
[07:48] <sniff> kosh: what is exorcism?
[07:49] <kosh> sniff: a joke :)
[07:49] <robotgeek> crimsun: i have no idea, isn't he the guy with freenode
[07:49] <sniff> ah
[07:49] <sniff> :(
[07:49] <sniff> hmmm
[07:49] <sniff> they look very low definition and the colour is really bland
[07:50] <sniff> i'm using the 1280x800 lcd built onto my sony laptop
[07:50] <sniff> could it be graphics drivers?
[07:50] <sniff> i got some intel linux drivers for the graphics but i dunno how to install them
[07:51] <kosh> sniff: what resolution is the lcd's native res and what res are you running it at?
[07:52] <crimsun> robotgeek: no, the real Rob's grammar is much more precise, and he has his own cloak.
[07:52] <sniff> 1280x800 is the native and that's what i'm running
[07:52] <sniff> kosh:
[07:53] <kosh> ok
[07:53] <sniff> even some of the movies look like they have interlacing problems, that are not apparent in win**ws
[07:54] <rich0rd> got w32codecs?  i am not sure if this will help
[07:54] <sniff> yes
[07:54] <sniff> done all that
[07:54] <sniff> even used automatix to help just incase i did it wrong
[07:56] <furntree> i have a question
[07:56] <robotgeek> !automatix
[07:56] <ubotu> automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'ynYn'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[07:58] <sniff> mmm to be quite honest i don't really like automatix, because I can't see what it's doing. I like to try to do things myself, but it didhelp me out with getting codec installed
[07:58] <kosh> I don't even know what automatix is :)
[07:59] <robotgeek> kosh: good for you :)
[07:59] <robotgeek> sniff: good for you, but be warned
[07:59] <kosh> I don't even see it in apt-cache search
[08:00] <robotgeek> kosh: it's not in the repositories for a reason
[08:01] <sniff> well
[08:01] <sniff> has it done irrepairable damage?
[08:01] <robotgeek> sniff: nope
[08:02] <sniff> so after it's finished my system should be "safe"?
[08:02] <sniff> i don't like it has changed my sources.list
[08:02] <sniff> that pisses me off
[08:03] <robotgeek> sniff: make sure you read what you do, always.
[08:04] <sniff> bad landuage?
[08:05] <robotgeek> sniff: i meant "don't run scripts etc etc, especially when you don't know what they do
[08:08] <sniff> yes i know..... it's just that so many people said it was worth while
[08:08] <sniff> i'm a complete n00b so i welcome anything that will help make my  life a little easier
[08:08] <sniff> even using it not everything works
[08:09] <sniff> i got video playback problems, internet that won't connect, and an OSD that won't display
[08:10] <robotgeek> sniff: hmm, i understand
[08:10] <robotgeek> sniff: you only learn if it doesn't work and you get it to work :)
[08:11] <sniff> yeah that's totally right and that's the reason why i can do *anything* in windows
[08:11] <UFO> wow... was just looking the xgl system... its amazing... but works full only with gnome
[08:11] <sniff> now i see how much linux has come along i feel my time with windows is up
[08:11] <robotgeek> more eyecandy to eat my CPU cycles, lol
[08:11] <sniff> it's just that my laptop is a little awkward for linux to handle
[08:12] <sniff> i got problems to solve the last thing i wanna do is spend hours manually installing stuff just so i can hear mp3s etc. So i used automatix as a break. DOn't like it but i don't have the time
[08:13] <robotgeek> sniff, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:13] <robotgeek> it has all the things, in one page
[08:13] <sniff> yeah  i followed that already
[08:13] <sniff> didn't quite get everything working
[08:13] <robotgeek> sniff: hmm, okay
[08:14] <sniff> hey i really wanna know, instead of installing packages using apt-get install is it possible to save them, so then i can use them in an offline install?
[08:14] <sniff> i wanna change my mums system to kubuntu but she don't have internet
[08:14] <sniff> well dialup
[08:15] <robotgeek> sniff: yeah, take a look at the apt-zip/apt-move howto on the wiki, search for it
[08:16] <sniff> ok
[08:16] <sniff> !apt-zip
[08:16] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, sniff
[08:17] <sniff> i followed the wiki for install ff 1.5 - it's so good!
[08:17] <robotgeek> yup. i got mine installed that way too
[08:18] <kosh> I prefer to just use konqueror
[08:18] <sniff> i read that's it's to difficult for them to backport into breezy, i don't understand why when i installed so easy
[08:18] <kosh> I find it works better most of the time
[08:18] <kosh> sniff: you are not running gnome
[08:18] <sniff> i tried to compile my own ff 1,5 by hand but it got some error :(
[08:18] <sniff> no kde
[08:18] <kosh> however it causes some problems with gnome
[08:18] <sniff> kosh: why?
[08:18] <kosh> that is why it can't just be stuck in
[08:19] <sniff> well i needed to compile it myself so that it didn't conflict with SCIM but it didn't compile :(
[08:19] <sniff> Title Search: "apt-zip"
[08:19] <sniff> 0 results of about 8037 pages. (0.23 seconds)
[08:19] <sniff> robotgeek: where is this info in the wiki?
[08:21] <robotgeek> sniff: text search please
[08:22] <kosh> sniff: if you compiled it yourself and stuck it in /usr/bin then it still conflicts it is just that the system does not know it conflicts anymore so it can't warn
[08:22] <brydenn> hey kosh: does WINE support Adobe Photoshop CS2?
[08:23] <kosh> brydenn: not even a slight idea on that one
[08:23] <sniff> robotgeek: doesn't appear in text search either
[08:23] <robotgeek> sniff: okay, give me a moment here
[08:23] <brydenn> eh ok thanks kosh
[08:24] <kosh> brydenn: wine is not something I use sorry
[08:25] <brydenn> yah i know
[08:25] <brydenn> but i love Adobe
[08:25] <brydenn> and Gimp just aint gonna take its place... ever
[08:25] <sniff> adobe is totally gay man
[08:26] <brydenn> stfu sniff
[08:26] <brydenn> lol
[08:26] <sniff> although gimp can't take it's place
[08:26] <sniff> use fireworks or something
[08:26] <brydenn> all i see is support for Photoshop 7
[08:26] <brydenn> nothing higher :(
[08:26] <brydenn> actually
[08:26] <brydenn> i'd much rather use a vector program like Illustrator
[08:26] <brydenn> much better :)
[08:26] <sniff> although now adobe has taken over macromedia so i guess studi is going to turn into a piece of bloated shit
[08:27] <brydenn> hehe yah well windows is known for its bloat-ware
[08:27] <brydenn> bbl guys :)
[08:27] <kosh> I write software, I don't do graphics, word processors etc
[08:27] <sniff> so what can u do?
[08:27] <kosh> I care about coding editors, debugging etc
[08:27] <sniff> adobe only works on mac or windows
[08:28] <sniff> i won't argue the point that adobe apps are fantastic but they are incredibly bloated
[08:28] <kosh> actually for many tasks the gimp can replace photoshop
[08:28] <kosh> heck for some of the things I watch people do in photoshop it would be easier to use imagmagick
[08:28] <sniff> and now they've got all this update crap going on and secretly loading daemons and services in your windows installation/. I takes me half a day to clean up the computer after an adobe install
[08:29] <kosh> I have watched people crop and scale hundreds of images one by one and they all where cropped and scaled the exact same way
[08:29] <echox> yo
[08:29] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptMoveHowto << sniff
[08:30] <sniff> kosh: they should have used ImageViewer, it let me crop resize,and recompress 300+ photos in less than 10 mins
[08:30] <sniff> robotgeek:  thanks man
[08:31] <kosh> sniff: imagemagick is designed for that kind of automation
[08:32] <echox> anyone tell me what motif is and why opera keeps telling me to install it to make the plugins work??
[08:32] <robotgeek> !opera
[08:32] <ubotu> somebody said opera was not in the Ubuntu repositories, but you can always download the latest Opera .deb package from http://www.opera.com/download/ and then see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser
[08:32] <echox> !opera
[08:32] <robotgeek> echox: the bot would have abused you :)
[08:33] <echox> what bot?
[08:33] <echox> lol
[08:33] <echox> man irc is confusing
[08:33] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell echox about yourself
[08:33] <echox> errrr
[08:33] <echox> man im scared
[08:33] <echox> this is the first time ive used irc
[08:33] <echox> it had a premade channel and all, had no idea how to connect
[08:34] <robotgeek> echox: nothing to worry
[08:35] <robotgeek> echox: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[08:35] <sniff> hey is it dangerous to use irc when logged in as admin?
[08:36] <robotgeek> sniff: yes
[08:37] <B1zz> how does one copy a whole directory in the CLI?
[08:38] <robotgeek> B1zz: cp -R
[08:38] <rich0rd> cp -r <dirname>
[08:38] <kosh> man cp and look at the -R switch
[08:38] <robotgeek> !cli
[08:38] <B1zz> ahh ty :)
[08:38] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[08:39] <sniff> robotgeek: how should i configure kubuntu to be safer, but still let me sudo things for easy install etc.
[08:39] <sniff> ?
[08:40] <varsendagger> hey i have a paste comming
[08:40] <varsendagger>  kdelibs4-dev: Depends: kdelibs4c2 (= 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1) but 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[08:40] <varsendagger>   kdelibs4c2: Depends: kdelibs-bin (= 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu2) but 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[08:40] <varsendagger> where can i find the right ones?
[08:40] <robotgeek> sniff: avoid doing stuff as root
[08:41] <rich0rd> sniff: what do you understand by "safer"
[08:41] <robotgeek> varsendagger: sudo apt-get -f install
[08:41] <varsendagger> ok
[08:42] <varsendagger> how do i install variCAD then?
[08:42] <varsendagger> it only has two dependencies
[08:42] <robotgeek> varsendagger: are you on breezy?
[08:42] <rich0rd> which kind of bot is ubotu? software package?
[08:42] <varsendagger> but i don't know where to get them
[08:42] <varsendagger> yeah
[08:42] <varsendagger> breezy badget
[08:42] <varsendagger> ubuntu with kde installed as well
[08:42] <varsendagger> badger
[08:43] <robotgeek> varsendagger: can you paste your sources.list to the pastebin
[08:43] <rich0rd> ah found it - blootbot
[08:43] <varsendagger> yeah
[08:43] <varsendagger> could i mesage them to you?
[08:44] <robotgeek> varsendagger: no, pastebin them please.
[08:45] <sniff> rich0rd: i understand safer as doing thing with minimum provelages
[08:45] <sniff> privelages
[08:46] <sniff> how can i get "Print to File PDF" to show up when i slect PRINT in Firefox?
[08:47] <robotgeek> sniff: i don't think Firefox can print to pdf, it can print a ps file, which you can convert to pdf later
[08:48] <sniff> robotgeek:  i installed cups-pdf   so i should be able to select that as my printer... no?
[08:49] <robotgeek> sniff: hmm, i dunno. the pdf thing works for me from konqueror
[08:49] <varsendagger> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/555589
[08:49] <varsendagger> robotgeek,
[08:50] <robotgeek> varsendagger: i see that you have backports enabled
[08:50] <varsendagger> waht does that matter?
[08:50] <varsendagger> is that a bad thing?
[08:50] <robotgeek> varsendagger: try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[08:50] <robotgeek> if you could read from lines 10-16 :)
[08:52] <varsendagger> how often should i do dist upgrade?
[08:52] <ubijtsa2> varsendagger: as often as you like?
[08:53] <sniff> robotgeek:  did u install cups-pdf too?
[08:53] <robotgeek> sniff: not that i know of , lemme check
[08:53] <ubijtsa2> varsendagger: makes little sense to do it other than when a new release has happened tho
[08:53] <robotgeek> nope
[08:55] <sniff> oh hmm
[08:56] <sniff> robotgeek: the user that you are currently logged in with has what provelages?
[08:56] <sniff> prib
[08:56] <sniff> priv
[08:57] <sniff> kosh: you said you prefer konqueror right?
[08:57] <robotgeek> sniff: open konqueror
[08:58] <kosh> sniff: yup I prefer konqueror
[08:58] <robotgeek> Location -> Print -> Printer Name (select) -> Print to Pdf
[08:58] <kosh> sniff: it is more memory efficent then firefox is
[08:59] <robotgeek> kosh: memory leaks in Firefox are a feature, lol
[08:59] <sniff> kosh:  i find konqueror deadly slow at loading web pages, is there something i CAN do to optimize it
[08:59] <sniff> robotgeek: i see it
[09:00] <sniff> robotgeek: let me try!
[09:00] <kosh> sniff: I have never seen that problem
[09:03] <sniff> i just thought it was perhaps because ff has better http connection handling or something
[09:05] <sniff> should i set my default user (me) to not have admin privelages?
[09:05] <t3nd0> i successfully installed superkaramba
[09:05] <t3nd0> how do i like... run it
[09:06] <t3nd0> do i have to restart x ?
[09:06] <robotgeek> sniff: just don't sudo anything , you'll be fine
[09:07] <robotgeek> t3nd0: no, alt + f2, superkaramba
[09:08] <t3nd0> wheeee
[09:08] <t3nd0> thank you lol
[09:08] <t3nd0> im such a pathetic noobie
[09:11] <robotgeek> t3nd0: we all learn
[09:11] <t3nd0> yeah word
[09:12] <t3nd0> im just trying to get the cool osx style menu bar going
[09:12] <t3nd0> can you tell me how to do that
[09:12] <t3nd0> doesnt it come with any themes??
[09:12] <robotgeek> t3nd0: kxdocker/ksmoothdock. themeing doesn't go well with me :)
[09:13] <sniff> robotgeek: that sounds reassuring. but why is it insecure for me to sudo something? Sometimes i must
[09:13] <t3nd0> sweet i found kxdocker in the adept console
[09:14] <robotgeek> sniff: i meant don't go about deleting stuff as root, and don't get on the net as root. that's about it
[09:14] <sniff> ok sorted
[09:14] <sniff> that's great news
[09:14] <t3nd0> whoa thats rad how do i turn the standard one off
[09:14] <t3nd0> thx robotgeek !!
[09:15] <divansantana> Hi, has anyone here got Kontact to auto move the spam to a spam or wastebin folder?
[09:15] <divansantana> I have tried but it says its spam but does nothing...
[09:15] <sniff> ah shit
[09:15] <sniff> i forgot my gpg passphrase
[09:16] <nimatar> ca anybody tell me what command i should use to restart the sound system?
[09:16] <nimatar> *can
[09:17] <robotgeek> nimatar: i dunno if this works, "sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart"
[09:17] <nimatar> no, tried already
[09:17] <nimatar> that file don't even exist :\
[09:18] <robotgeek> nimatar: i dunno if this works, "sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart"
[09:18] <t3nd0> wow this is sweet
[09:18] <sniff> robotgeek: do you know how to add programs to kde startup?
[09:18] <t3nd0> there is so much more control over everything
[09:19] <sniff> t3nd0: compared to what?
[09:19] <robotgeek> sniff: i think you have an option to save to session on exit
[09:19] <t3nd0> XP
[09:19] <sniff> no i don't like
[09:19] <sniff> that
[09:19] <sniff> i just want it to load fresh each time
[09:19] <sniff> i jsut nees a start menu entry ;)
[09:20] <robotgeek> sniff: i am too tired to think of it right now, sorry
[09:20] <robotgeek> i think i'll go to bed
[09:21] <robotgeek> nimatar: also try System Settings -> Sound -> Test Sound (that restarts the sound system)
[09:21] <t3nd0> how come when i try to set a background from a file off of one of my NTFS media:/ drives it says "you can only select local files" :(
[09:22] <t3nd0> heh i still have no sound.  fortunately i have a laptop and a y-cable
[09:22] <Hobbsee> t3nd0: isnt that kinda obvious?
[09:22] <sniff> t3nd0: i had this problem too
[09:22] <Hobbsee> copy it to your home dir...
[09:22] <nimatar> robotgeek, alsa-utils restart apparently worked but it' wasn't what i deeded because it don't reloads my ~/.asoundrc
[09:22] <Hobbsee> then use the home dir link to set as the background
[09:22] <sniff> t3nd0: i try to use k3b to burn something from a usb device and it wouldn't allow me to do it
[09:22] <t3nd0> i dont want to copy each file i want as a background to home
[09:23] <t3nd0> i just want to change permissions
[09:23] <nimatar> robotgeek_zzz, ass for the system settings yes that works but i've to use the command in a script so that isn't really usefull
[09:24] <t3nd0> *_*
[09:26] <_evil_h_> how do you check to see if you have java installed and what version if it is?
[09:31] <sniff> where are the users public_html folders kept please?
[09:31] <_mindspin> hi can anybody help me stopping kaffeine running in background after closing (breezy, kde 3.5)?
[09:32] <_mindspin> "/var/www/ "?
[09:39] <sniff> _mindspin: no idea mate. I got a problem with kaffeine not even being able to show me the pictures for a movie
[09:40] <rich0rd> i don't like kaffeine - i like xine best
[09:40] <_mindspin> I changed and rechanged my apt-sources.list and its running fine now, but its annoying that kaffeine doesnt close correctly, cause for every clip an new kaffeine is started and that eats up my performance..
[09:40] <_evil_h_> xine rules
[09:41] <rich0rd> aaxine rules ;-)
[09:41] <_mindspin> sniff: wanna my sorces.list?
[09:42] <_mindspin> sniff: wanna my sources.list?
[09:43] <T3hWiz0rd> i am having a huge problem... i am converting from suse after a bad kernel problem... only now, kubutnu will not install over a kernel panic during the install
[09:44] <rich0rd> uo
[09:44] <T3hWiz0rd> no distro will install.... none, its always something about a kernel panic
[09:44] <rich0rd> T3hWiz0rd: have you assured that the image you burned is alright
[09:44] <T3hWiz0rd> rich0rd: its a fresh image right now just burned it
[09:44] <rich0rd> md5 checksum
[09:44] <T3hWiz0rd> rich0rd: remember though, suse is still on this HDD
[09:44] <T3hWiz0rd> and it is totally freaked up
[09:45] <T3hWiz0rd> suse started the kernel panic, now all of them are doing it.
[09:45] <rich0rd> i once had a bad case of md5 mismatch - hmn than propably something is not alright with your hardware
[09:45] <T3hWiz0rd> rich0rd: it was working fine until suse autoupdated, had a kernal failure from a poor update source, and then crashed complete.
[09:46] <_mindspin> no old image saved?
[09:46] <sniff> _mindspin: ok i would apprecite taking a look at it please
[09:46] <_mindspin> mom..
[09:50] <_mindspin> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8695
[09:50] <_mindspin> the czessy packages are those for multimedia (mp3, win32 codecs)
[09:50] <rich0rd> T3hWiz0rd: hmn, what kernelversion did you use befor the update
[09:50] <rich0rd> T3hWiz0rd: and have you tried some live CDs?
[09:51] <_mindspin> no way to boot in failsafe mode?
[09:51] <_mindspin> live cd would be my choice if nothing else works...
[09:52] <rich0rd> i am no expert, but maybe your system has a problem with some features of a newer kernel
[09:53] <_mindspin> what hardware are you running T3hWiz0rd ?
[09:55] <T3hWiz0rd> hmm, i may of resolved the problem.
[09:55] <T3hWiz0rd> rich0rd: i found out the problem
[09:56] <rich0rd> T3hWiz0r: what was it?
[09:56] <ownerx> the new kde 3.51 is so much more responsive than the original ubuntu kde
[09:56] <T3hWiz0rd> rich0rd: someone tampered with my BIOS settings, and in the process, changed my memory clocking too high
[09:56] <T3hWiz0rd> the memory was hanging, thus causing the kernel to lock, and as it turns out, suse has fully reloaded to the desktop without a problem :-O
[09:56] <ownerx> T3hWiz0rd, that can cook your memory
[09:57] <ownerx> better set a bios password
[09:57] <T3hWiz0rd> ownerx: thankfully we got to it in time.
[09:57] <T3hWiz0rd> when rich0rd said "hardware problem" i knew right away what it was....
[09:57] <kosh> lots of stuff can be screwed up if you overclock
[09:57] <ownerx> yes
[09:58] <T3hWiz0rd> well fortunate for me, i wasn't on windows
[09:58] <T3hWiz0rd> since it hung on the kernel, it seems it was okay, and the system recognizes all the memory.
[09:59] <kosh> I just don't overclock anything
[09:59] <rich0rd> i overclock my palm
[09:59] <_mindspin> I even don't know how to do it ;-)
[09:59] <rich0rd> to play zelda with an gamboy emulator
[10:00] <_evil_h_> how do i upgrade to kde 3.5.1
[10:00] <T3hWiz0rd> i do have some things overclocked, within reason
[10:00] <ownerx> evil you need to add the repos
[10:00] <ownerx> from kubuntu.org
[10:01] <_mindspin> !kaffeine
[10:01] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _mindspin
[10:01] <T3hWiz0rd> the correct thing to say, kosh is don't over clock if you don't know the limits of the hardware.
[10:02] <kosh> don't overclock production hardware for any reason since it costs too much if it fails
[10:02] <ownerx> overclocking is a fad
[10:02] <kosh> if you are getting 10K in computer hadware, don't overclock it
[10:02] <ownerx> i use to overclock video cards a little
[10:02] <ownerx> in windows
[10:03] <T3hWiz0rd> ownerx: i just tinkered with my CPU speed and front bus
[10:03] <T3hWiz0rd> thats it, memory is left at default
[10:03] <_mindspin> I always thought overclocking is just a  gamekiddies thing
[10:03] <ownerx> it is mind
[10:03] <T3hWiz0rd> i set my cpu in bios to "aggressive" and set the fb to 166
[10:03] <ownerx> mind, basically gaming is the only reason to overlock, correct
[10:04] <B1zz> how do you give a normal user permision to  mount and iso image in his directory?
[10:04] <B1zz> home directory*
[10:04] <_mindspin> mount an iso image?
[10:04] <nimatar> ownerx, well, actually also mental illness :P
[10:04] <nimatar> jk
[10:04] <T3hWiz0rd> ownerx: depends on what type of overclocking we are talking about.
[10:04] <B1zz> yes sir but w/o sudo su
[10:05] <T3hWiz0rd> ownerx: setting the system to run optimal preformance isn't really overclocking... but trying to stupidly force the hardware beyond its limits is.
[10:05] <B1zz> if possiable
[10:05] <T3hWiz0rd> ownerx: and my guess is whoever tweeked that memory setting in bios knew exaclty what they were donig...
[10:05] <_mindspin> what permisions does the image have?
[10:06] <T3hWiz0rd> ownerx: someone wanted to keep me up tonight, knowing i have a meeting right in the morning.
[10:06] <B1zz> uhhh
[10:06] <ownerx> lol t3h
[10:06] <B1zz> -rw-rw-rw-
[10:06] <ownerx> how many ppl have physical access to your computer
[10:06] <T3hWiz0rd> ownerx: it was probably the fiancee, whose had enough of my "linux galovanting"
[10:06] <_mindspin> ls -l  path/nameofthefile
[10:06] <T3hWiz0rd> ownerx: fiancee, friends, family.
[10:06] <ownerx> lol
[10:07] <_mindspin> friends?
[10:07] <ownerx> i dont let anyone use my comp
[10:07] <T3hWiz0rd> ownerx: my bet is on the woman, shes the only one evil enough to try and kill linux.
[10:07] <ownerx> well i do occasionally
[10:07] <T3hWiz0rd> ownerx: its not so much i let them use, i work all the time
[10:07] <ownerx> yes
[10:07] <T3hWiz0rd> ownerx: someone simply hit the reset button, went into bios, changed it, and pwoered it off
[10:07] <kosh> why would someone want to kill your computer?
[10:07] <kosh> that just seems strange as heck
[10:07] <T3hWiz0rd> kosh: cos i pay more attention to it than her... and with good reasons
[10:08] <kosh> especially if you have work tomorrow morning
[10:08] <T3hWiz0rd> kosh: linux treats me the way i treat it... she just treats me like a moron
[10:08] <kosh> so if you don't want to pay attention to her why don't you leave her?
[10:08] <_mindspin> does she belong to the church of evil bill?
[10:08] <B1zz> lol
[10:08] <T3hWiz0rd> _mindspin: shes mormon... close enough eh? lol
[10:08] <_mindspin> sure
[10:08] <ownerx> oh no mormons
[10:08] <ownerx> lol
[10:08] <T3hWiz0rd> kosh: i love her... i really do... but she has this thing about the computer
[10:08] <T3hWiz0rd> kosh: she thinks i like it more than her...
[10:08] <B1zz> 0_o
[10:09] <T3hWiz0rd> so since day 1 shes been doing stuff to the poor old guy... and this computer has been a gaming box for 5 years
[10:09] <_mindspin> how many time do you spend with her vs. the computer?
[10:09] <T3hWiz0rd> its holding onto dear life now as a radio station on linux, it can't take this.
[10:09] <sniff> my ex-girlfriend dumped me because i did so much work on the computer
[10:09] <T3hWiz0rd> _mindspin: as much time as we can, shes in phramacy school... so if you can imagine her own tensions.
[10:10] <T3hWiz0rd> but im not going to point at her
[10:10] <T3hWiz0rd> it could of been one of my numbnut friends trying to pull a lame and possibly-fatal prank.
[10:10] <kosh> if someone screwed with my computer like that they would find I was no longer their friend
[10:10] <ownerx> you can set a bios password
[10:11] <T3hWiz0rd> the good news is: today, linux lives on! and microsoft CD is still my bullseye in the toilet.
[10:11] <_mindspin> i would suggest stting a bios pwd would be the easiest way to get rid of such trouble
[10:11] <ownerx> so people need a password to access the bios
[10:11] <B1zz> lol
[10:11] <kosh> it is really no different then if someone went into your car and screwed with the engine
[10:11] <T3hWiz0rd> kosh: i know
[10:11] <T3hWiz0rd> im happy now though
[10:11] <T3hWiz0rd> long live my radio statio
[10:11] <T3hWiz0rd> station
[10:11] <T3hWiz0rd> YOU CAN'T TEAR ME DOWN! BUAHAHAHAHA!
[10:11] <ownerx> people always use to use my computer behind my back until i passworded all my accounts
[10:11] <ownerx> that was in windows
[10:11] <T3hWiz0rd> ownerx: my problem is this computer generally just sits here for the radio station
[10:12] <sniff> ah windows...
[10:12] <kosh> nobody touches my computer
[10:12] <T3hWiz0rd> so i never put much thought into it or anything around it.
[10:12] <T3hWiz0rd> kosh: i also am not so protective over it
[10:12] <kosh> actually I have had a few people look at my computer and decide not to touch it just because it has 4 monitors
[10:12] <T3hWiz0rd> honestly, if it was to of broken down completely
[10:12] <T3hWiz0rd> i would of just bought a new one
[10:12] <T3hWiz0rd> its past due anyway.
[10:12] <kosh> T3hWiz0rd: if mine was broken down I would replace it but it would represent a fair bit of money loss
[10:13] <T3hWiz0rd> meh,. money
[10:13] <T3hWiz0rd> what am i supposed to spend it on? BILLS?
[10:13] <T3hWiz0rd> pfft... give me a break
[10:13] <T3hWiz0rd> :-P
[10:13] <B1zz> hehe
[10:13] <B1zz> i like your attitude
[10:14] <kosh> I am a programmer
[10:14] <_mindspin> I changed and rechanged my apt-sources.list and its running fine now, but its annoying that kaffeine doesnt close correctly, cause for every clip an new kaffeine is started and that eats up my performance..
[10:15] <_mindspin> oops
[10:15] <_mindspin> Btw.:hi can anybody help me stopping kaffeine running in background after closing (breezy, kde 3.5)?
[10:15] <T3hWiz0rd> kosh: im just an oddball... i worked for my families car dealerships since i was 16, so i had a nice bank account when it came time to buy a house
[10:15] <T3hWiz0rd> kosh: put down close to 16,000 on the down payment, got a practically non-existant payment
[10:15] <_mindspin> while other lazy spent their youth partying on university.....
[10:16] <T3hWiz0rd> _mindspin: i worked since i was about 10 heh...
[10:16] <T3hWiz0rd> _mindspin: i was always money hungry.... i grew out of it now but... it benefited me when my family owned 5 lots
[10:17] <_mindspin> I worked also, but gave all my money to bars, concert agencies and other sinister ppl
[10:17] <T3hWiz0rd> haha...
[10:17] <_mindspin> ;-)
[10:18] <T3hWiz0rd> _mindspin: well i was lucky enough to get into car sales at 16... so a 16 year old making 2-8 thousand dollars a month, all of it being banked.
[10:18] <T3hWiz0rd> _mindspin: well, you do the math
[10:18] <T3hWiz0rd> _mindspin: when all added together, i made about 4,600 a month... for 36 months.
[10:18] <_mindspin> cool
[10:19] <T3hWiz0rd> all of that going into the bank... 165600 dollars, plus whatever interest i collected over the years.
[10:19] <_mindspin> but you had good conditions wizth that family background
[10:19] <T3hWiz0rd> yeah, thats the only way it worked
[10:19] <_mindspin> I never cared much about money
[10:20] <rich0rd> the fun thing about being a programmer is that during shool and university you can actually work and do what you are learning.
[10:20] <_mindspin> that's true
[10:20] <T3hWiz0rd> rich0rd: one of the few fields too
[10:20] <T3hWiz0rd> im actually going into police work
[10:20] <_mindspin> and you can see it everyday when poor coded proggies were used ;-)
[10:20] <T3hWiz0rd> funny, going from 4600 a month to 2500
[10:20] <T3hWiz0rd> all cos im sick of cops having a bad name :-)
[10:20] <ownerx> lol
[10:20] <_mindspin> haha
[10:21] <_mindspin> where do you live? oregon?
[10:21] <T3hWiz0rd> arizona
[10:22] <kosh> my plan is to keep building apps for larger and large companies for more money :)
[10:22] <_mindspin> I'm driving a hyundai tucson ;-)
[10:22] <T3hWiz0rd> _mindspin: i sold hyundai's for 3 yearS :-)
[10:22] <T3hWiz0rd> GREAT cars, especially now
[10:22] <_mindspin> yep I'm very happy with that car
[10:23] <T3hWiz0rd> i drive a 06 Hyundai Sonota
[10:24] <T3hWiz0rd> i'd never give it up for another company either... no one else can offer the features and quality for a better price :-P
[10:24] <_mindspin> I'm no expert, its the first "new" car we bought..
[10:24] <T3hWiz0rd> bet you were shocked wit hhow much came in such a small price tag though
[10:24] <_mindspin> maybe I would be even happy with a new ford ;-)
[10:25] <T3hWiz0rd> the only sad point of hyundai's is they lose over a 3rd their value the second you turn it on and drive it off the lot.
[10:25] <_mindspin> same with fords here in germany
[10:25] <T3hWiz0rd> well fords suck
[10:25] <T3hWiz0rd> built in Mexico now.
[10:26] <kosh> ah well I want to get my punisher from eve
[10:26] <T3hWiz0rd> american companies are really taking some major hits here... both GM and ford are laying off employees
[10:26] <kosh> that would gain value from turning it on :)
[10:26] <T3hWiz0rd> kosh: haha
[10:26] <_mindspin> don't mention american companies...
[10:26] <kosh> a punisher is a frigate class space ship in the eve mmo game :)
[10:27] <T3hWiz0rd> its still holding up... i've dropped it, kicked it, slapped it, and its still holding up
[10:27] <T3hWiz0rd> honestly i think if it was still on windows that would of put the icing on the cake and it would of fallen over and choaked by now.
[10:28] <T3hWiz0rd> linux tends to keep the resource bloat to a minimum, so it doesn't ever really struggle to keep up
[10:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:29] <_mindspin> T3hWiz0rd: not if you use kaffeine ;-)
[10:29] <T3hWiz0rd> _mindspin: im an amarok boy
[10:29] <T3hWiz0rd> Hobbsee: !!!!!!!!
[10:29] <Hobbsee> hey T3hWiz0rd
[10:29] <T3hWiz0rd> Hobbsee: i just had a near-death experience, i thought linux died on me forever
[10:30] <Hobbsee> eep!
[10:30] <T3hWiz0rd> Hobbsee: i know! i was already tying the noose around my neck.
[10:30] <T3hWiz0rd> luckily rich0rd pointed out the problem haha
[10:30] <T3hWiz0rd> kosh: i said near death, not death
[10:31] <kosh> I hear that the experience lasts forever though
[10:31] <Hobbsee> lol
[10:31] <T3hWiz0rd> if i want that experience... i'll get married
[10:31] <kosh> like the old addage of give a man fire and keep him warm for a day but set him on fire and keep him warm for the rest of the life :)
[10:32] <T3hWiz0rd> lameee
[10:32] <T3hWiz0rd> you ripped that from the fish saying
[10:32] <T3hWiz0rd> what are you? microsoft now? stealing ideas but buffing them to make them seem your own? :-P
[10:32] <kosh> I did not make that one up
[10:32] <_mindspin> T3hWiz0rd: can amarok play videos?
[10:32] <kosh> I got that at least 10 years ago online
[10:33] <T3hWiz0rd> _mindspin: iunno, i only use it for music, and for music its the best thing since sliced bread, dutch cheese, and mexican medication.
[10:33] <_mindspin> I don't think so..
[10:33] <T3hWiz0rd> welll you think wrong.
[10:34] <_mindspin> I never card about watching video on pc, but last sunday I wanted to see an educational clip about snowboarding which was a wma file
[10:35] <_mindspin> T3hWiz0rd: i dont think it plays videos... as soundplayer I have no experience and therefore no opinion on amarok
[10:35] <T3hWiz0rd> i gotta fly everyone.
[10:35] <T3hWiz0rd> its time for bed, my heart is still racing lol
[10:35] <T3hWiz0rd> have a good night
[10:35] <_mindspin> sleep well
[10:35] <rich0rd> bye
[10:49] <sniff> what is better gzip or bz2?
[10:52] <Hobbsee> sniff: IIRC bz2, but look up the compression rates
[10:53] <_sandro> shakkalakka
[10:53] <_sandro> im a proud kubuntu 5.10 user npw
[10:53] <_sandro> *now
[10:53] <_mindspin> boom boom
[10:54] <_sandro> anyone here doing evolution -> exchange connector kung foo ?
[10:54] <_sandro> i cant get on the exchange server, the exchange plugin just asks for global catalog server and username
[10:54] <_sandro> i cant enter any owa path or exchange server ip
[10:55] <ita> it worked well with evolution 1.3 on fedora .. but now with evo 2.4 on kub i cant find it out
[10:58] <Hobbsee> sankarshan: yay!
[11:01] <sankarshan> Hobbsee: yo
[11:12] <hatake_kakashi> anyone tried installing kubuntu-desktop over ubuntu? (Hoary)
[11:13] <ita> i quit the evo prob for now :/ ... im trying to get the printers to work and it says "Administrative commands are disabled in the web interface for security reasons. Please use the GNOME CUPS manager (System > Administration > Printing)."
[11:13] <ita> point is i have no gnome cups manager
[11:13] <ita> ?!
[11:16] <Tonio_> hi
[11:19] <_mindspin> ita: try it via kcontrol
[11:21] <farous> mangae cups the old way in the webbrowser type localhost:631
[11:24] <ita> i removed security via cupsdconf (x-tool) and now i was able to add printers via webbrowser thanks
[11:24] <farous> welcomed
[11:25] <farous> hmm though i remember doing it as regular user
[11:27] <ita> i got this administration is disabled message all the time .. nevermind .. i have to ask again sorry, i find nothing on google .. i "adept"ed evolution and evolution-exchange .. i started, defined new account .. only exchange specific data im asked is "username" .. after filling in all fields it doesnt work (as expected) .. i cant find where to enter owa path and or exchange server ip?! do i need more packages maybe `?
[11:30] <farous> hmm ita never used evolution exchange but evoluton is a gtk program so you will have more luck in #ubuntu room
[11:31] <farous> it is part of the gnome desktop
[11:31] <ita> on fedora core 3 and evolution 1.3 it worked ok .. i had to enter that data i was talking about .. (exchange server, url of outlookwebaccess, asf) .. this is not asked this time
[11:31] <ita> i had kde on fc3 but thank you i will try my luck right away
[11:32] <farous> good luck
[11:35] <sniff> hey guys
[11:35] <sniff> anyone know where skim is to be found
[11:36] <farous> !find skim
[11:36] <sniff> i.e. it's not in my repositories even though the multiverse is enabled
[11:36] <sniff> !skim
[11:36] <ubotu> sniff: I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:36] <sniff> !find
[11:36] <sniff> what?
[11:36] <farous> sniff it is eithre info of find
[11:36] <farous> !info skim
[11:37] <farous> !+find skim
[11:37] <ubotu> already running (debian, dict) => exceeded allowed forked processes count (1?).
[11:37] <sniff> what does this do?
[11:37] <farous>  Ubuntu Search of 'skim' (4 shown; 6 total):
[11:37] <farous>               (/usr/share/apache2/icons/{diskimg.gif|diskimg.png}) in net/apache2-common
[11:37] <farous>               ;; (/usr/share/enlightenment/E-docs/E_deskimg.png) in
[11:38] <farous>               universe/x11/enlightenment-data ;;
[11:38] <farous>               (/usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/icons/{diskimg.gif|diskimg.png}) in
[11:38] <farous>               doc/apache2-doc ;; (/usr/share/apache/icons/{diskimg.gif|diskimg.png}) in
[11:38] <farous>               universe/web/apache-common.
[11:39] <farous> ita: look at this forum http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=129118&highlight=evolution+exchange
[11:43] <ita> thank you and "ugh!" .. i was hoping to get it to work as it worked on my prev rh install
[11:44] <farous> yw:)
[11:45] <sniff> i say....
[11:45] <sniff> i don't suppose anyone would be able to suggest to me why kate crashes when launched from the terminal?
[11:45] <Hobbsee> sniff: because kate likes to crash.  use kwrite instead, unless you have to use kate
[11:46] <sniff> i see
[11:48] <sniff> sorry, but i still cannot find skim in adept
[11:48] <sniff> this is dreadfully embarassing...
[11:48] <farous> sniff do you have the right repos for it
[11:49] <sniff> to be quite honest, i don't know
[11:49] <farous> if you are using a mirror change the mirror for there might be a prob with it
[11:49] <sniff> i have all the stanard repos enabled + multiverse
[11:49] <farous> !+find skim
[11:49] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'skim' (4 shown; 6 total): (/usr/share/apache2/icons/{diskimg.gif|diskimg.png}) in net/apache2-common ;; (/usr/share/enlightenment/E-docs/E_deskimg.png) in universe/x11/enlightenment-data ;; (/usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/icons/{diskimg.gif|diskimg.png}) in doc/apache2-doc ;; (/usr/share/apache/icons/{diskimg.gif|diskimg.png}) in universe/web/apache-common.
[11:50] <Hobbsee> !+info skim
[11:50] <ubotu> Package 'skim' does not exist.
[11:50] <sniff> what can i do with this information?
[11:50] <farous> it is in universe
[11:50] <sniff> skim does not exist?
[11:50] <farous> sniff use a diff mirror
[11:51] <farous> let me check it for you
[11:51] <sniff> look, i'm really dumb at this knd of thing, if it wouldn't be too much trouble would you mind finding what I need in my source.list?
[11:51] <Hobbsee> !info libskim0
[11:51] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[11:51] <Hysty> have you enabled the universe repositories?
[11:51] <Hobbsee> !repos
[11:51] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[11:51] <_evil_h_> !kde 3.5.1
[11:51] <ubotu> it has been said that kde 3.5.1 is at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[11:51] <Hobbsee> sniff: use the appropriate list of repos from there from there
[11:52] <farous> it is in apache-common package
[11:52] <Hobbsee> !info skim dapper
[11:52] <ubotu> skim: (smart common input method platform for KDE), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 1.4.4-0ubuntu2 (dapper), Packaged size: 1255 kB, Installed size: 2648 kB
[11:52] <Hobbsee> it's in dapper...
[11:53] <sniff> also there is no Kwrite
[11:53] <sniff> what is going on here
[11:53] <farous> Hobbsee: i think it is in appache-common package to that is what the find query returned
[11:53] <Hobbsee> no kwrite?
[11:53] <sniff> i already followed the wiki entry on enabling all sources
[11:53] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[11:53] <Hobbsee> that's odd
[11:53] <sniff> no kwrite in adept or skim
[11:53] <farous> Hobbsee: try !find skim will tell you where it is
[11:53] <sniff> no kwrite or skim in adept
[11:53] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[11:54] <Hobbsee> no, kwrite should be part of something else - or already installed
[11:54] <Hobbsee> it should be installed by default - just not in the menus
[11:54] <farous> it is part of kde let me check
[11:54] <farous> !find kwrite
[11:55] <Hobbsee> alt+f2, kwrite should start it
[11:55] <farous> it is in kdebase-bin already installed
[11:55] <Hobbsee> yep
[11:57] <farous> sniff would you prefer to use the pastebin and paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file to have a look at it
[11:57] <sniff> ok i will do that
[11:57] <farous> for skim install the appache-common package
[11:57] <sniff> i see you're right, kwrite is integrated
[11:58] <sniff> is that right??
[11:58] <sniff> farous: how come it is hidden so well?
[11:58] <farous> it is already installed ya part of the kdebase-bin package
[11:58] <farous> and it is not hidden, always typed kwrite in a terminal and it just popup :)
[11:58] <sniff> farous: so i already have it?
[11:59] <sniff> farous: i already have skim?:
[11:59] <farous> if you have the  apache-common package
[11:59] <farous> to check type dpkg -L apache-common |grep skim
[11:59] <sniff> where is the pastbin?
[12:00] <farous> !tell sniff about the pastebin
[12:00] <sniff> farous: not installed
[12:00] <sniff> if i install apache-common is it going to enable a web-server on my machine?
[12:01] <farous> have no experience with that
[12:01] <sniff> bum-gay
[12:01] <farous> but i am sure you have to configure it first
[12:01] <sniff> as if i know how to do that
[12:02] <vge> if your trying to install apache, just follow the wiki?
[12:03] <sniff> i really dont want to be running a webserver just to get skim
[12:03] <sniff> oh yes, nearly forgot, where might i find the pastebin
[12:03] <bimberi> !pastebin
[12:03] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar :)
[12:04] <sniff> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/555734
[12:04] <sniff> this is my sources.list
[12:05] <simone_> Hi everybody!
[12:06] <farous> sniff do you wan the multiverse repos or not?
[12:06] <farous> for you have it in security but not in the main
[12:06] <sniff> ah?
[12:07] <farous> !tell sniff about easysource
[12:07] <sniff> oh shit
[12:07] <sniff> you're right
[12:07] <sniff> let me edit this blunder
[12:07] <farous> sniff look at ubotu link it will give you an easy way to configure your sourcelist
[12:07] <tijn> mmh
[12:07] <tijn> how does tell work?
[12:08] <tijn> cant i do it like !tell tijn about libdvdcss ?
[12:08] <sniff> it doesn't seem to work
[12:09] <farous> tijn: first you need to be registered
[12:09] <farous> then you can type /msg ubotu help
[12:09] <tijn> aha
[12:09] <tijn> ic
[12:09] <tijn> how do i reg?
[12:09] <farous> sniff what is not working?
[12:09] <farous> tijn: and you are looking for libdvdcss2 :)
[12:09] <tijn> yes
[12:09] <tijn> ah
[12:09] <tijn> ic
[12:09] <tijn> is it in the sources?
[12:10] <farous> depend what repos you have
[12:10] <farous> !+libdvdcss2
[12:10] <ubotu> methinks libdvdcss2 is to enable DVD playback, read and use this local file for libdvdcss2 /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh   Don't have this file? Install "libdvdread3"
[12:12] <bimberi> farous: :)
[12:13] <farous> :)
[12:13] <bimberi> !botdrink
[12:13] <ubotu> Chug... burp! :)
[12:13] <sniff> hmm
[12:14] <sniff> i have those extra repos enabled, still no sign of skim
[12:14] <_evil_h_> what do i need to type into Konsole to get the KDE 3.5.1 repositories and install?
[12:14] <bimberi> !kde3.5.1
[12:14] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[12:14] <farous> sniff: did you install the apache-common package
[12:15] <tijn> farous, thnx
[12:15] <tijn> wait, i can play dvd's already, but is shocky and wierd
[12:16] <farous> tijn: check the forums
[12:16] <_evil_h_> is DMA enabed?
[12:16] <farous> i think it is in the dma
[12:16] <bimberi> !dma
[12:16] <_evil_h_> sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[12:17] <bimberi> ubotu tell tijn about dma
[12:17] <sniff> yeah file must you edit to change the dma values?
[12:17] <sniff> i just found: Skim is not available in Ubuntu repositories, and the scim version is outdated.
[12:19] <farous> tijn: you might need to change it if you have a cdrom/dvd combined player on the device directly
[12:19] <tijn> Dma! of course how could i forget that!
[12:19] <farous> to now which device in a term typ ls -l /dev/dvd
[12:22] <tijn> ok will do that
[12:22] <tijn> never thought of dma :/
[12:22] <_evil_h_> i thought it would be enabled by default like in Windows
[12:22] <tijn> and this should remove the fuzzy lines sometimes on the screen to?
[12:22] <_evil_h_> but its not
[12:23] <tijn> aha ic
[12:25] <_evil_h_> you also need to do something to keep DMA on. Just turning it on wont keep it on and it will turn off if you reboot
[12:26] <apokryphos> !dma
[12:26] <apokryphos> !+dma
[12:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. A method of transferring data from one memory area to another without having to go through the central processing unit. It makes your hard disks run faster :-).  DMA from the ubuntu wiki guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[12:34] <tijn> thats wierd it doesnt stay on?
[12:35] <_evil_h_> nope. i think there is either a switch or some lines of text to add to a file for it to turn on at boot
[12:35] <tijn> ok
[12:35] <tijn>  at least i know what the problem is :D
[12:35] <tijn> thnx
[12:35] <tijn> all
[12:35] <_evil_h_> the wiki that apokryphos pointed you too explains how to d it
[12:38] <Rambler> hello
[12:38] <tijn> yes, was just curious, on my debian machine, if u turn on dma, it stay's on
[12:38] <jpatrick> hello
[12:39] <Rambler> i wonder if anyone can help me with a fschk problem
[12:39] <Hysty> Rambler: whats your problem?
[12:39] <_evil_h_> tijn: yeah i don't know why it doesn't stay on but everytime i reboot i have to turn it back on
[12:40] <Rambler> i just booted up my kubuntu, and got lots of popups saying the filesystem is read only..
[12:40] <tijn> _evil_h_, and you have set it in hdparm.conf?
[12:40] <Rambler> so i rebooted it, and now i'm stuck with fschk saying something about inodes are orphaned and it can't continue
[12:40] <_evil_h_> nope. not yet. been fiddling with other things
[12:41] <Hysty> Rambler: ick doesnt sound very nice
[12:42] <Rambler> Hysty: nope it doesn't. and because how kubuntu is built, i can't fix it either as there is no root (it asks for root passw to manually fix it)
[12:42] <jpatrick> Rambler: boot into recovery kernel
[12:42] <Hysty> Rambler: have you tried booting from the install cd into recovery?
[12:42] <Rambler> jpatrick: tried that, same problem
[12:42] <Rambler> Hysty: not yet, that's what i'll attempt next, as soon as i find the cd :)
[12:43] <Rambler> but the odd thing is, i have no idea how this happened.. also, a while ago my bootloader suddenly disappeared, and i had to use the cd to fix that too...
[12:43] <Hysty> *installs win98 in Qemu*
[12:45] <Hysty> Rambler: how old is your hard disk?
[12:45] <Rambler> Hysty: three years only
[12:45] <Hysty> do you have a Windows partition?
[12:46] <Rambler> yep, running from it right now
[12:46] <Rambler> actually, i have three fat32 partitions and one ntfs, where windoze is
[12:46] <Hysty> just a thought, do you have any 'utilities' that maybe doing things to the hard disk?
[12:47] <Rambler> nope, i havent used xp in over a month..
[12:47] <Hysty> did it shutdown cleanly last time?
[12:47] <Rambler> yep, no problem
[12:47] <Hysty> ubuntu gremlins
[12:48] <Rambler> why would kubuntu start in read only mode, and then complain about some errors?
[12:49] <Hysty> how did you fix grub?
[12:50] <Rambler> there was some guide or something on the net..
[12:50] <Hysty> the 'grub-install' one?
[12:50] <Rambler> it could have been from the unofficial guide..
[12:50] <Rambler> probably yes
[12:50] <Hysty> boot from cd, run grub-install etc
[12:51] <Rambler> but will that really fix the fs problem?
[12:51] <Hysty> i was wondering whether grub is passing some incorrect kernel options?
[12:51] <Rambler> i don't think so.. everything boots up nicely until "checking root partition" comes up on the checklist on bootup
[12:51] <ita> hi again all - im still trying to get my evolution to work ..    i configured exchange-connector but im not sure if im right .. by now evo says "cannot authenticate with exchange some.inter.nal.ip" ..
[12:52] <_mindspin> have a look at /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:52] <_mindspin> that was for Rambler
[12:52] <ita> owa: i did a https://some.inter.nal.ip/exchange/myUserName - username is set to domain_name\myUserName
[12:52] <Rambler> _mindpsin: thanks, i will, as soon as i get to the system :)
[12:53] <ita> im asked for pw, but it does not auth right .. any suggestions welcome
[12:53] <Rambler> gotta find that cd...
[12:54] <Hysty> Rambler: look under coffee mugs where Windows cd's are usually located
[12:55] <Rambler> Hysty: hahaha, no coffee mugs here.. all my cds are in holders, and there are LOTS of cds :)
[12:56] <Rambler> Hysty: but it's okay, i had a iso on my harddrive so i'll just burn away 30 cents for a new copy :)
[12:56] <Droopy> Hi guys, finally installed my first distro 'kubuntu' and I really like it, but as usual there are few problems. Last night password worked fine and today this isn't the case. When I go to my network settings it prompts me for password, I type it in and nothing happens. Im 100% it was working fine and its the correct one.
[12:57] <Hysty> Rambler: always handy to have an extra
[12:57] <Droopy> So I can't change my ip or select any other option.
[12:58] <Hysty> Droopy: I assume you have checked caps lock isnt on etc
[12:58] <Droopy> yes I have
[12:58] <Hysty> just checking
[12:59] <Rambler> Hysty: so true. so i'll just use the cd to boot to a command line, and then run fschk?
[12:59] <Hysty> yeah
[12:59] <Droopy> it dosent give me error. It accepts the password but dosent get me into admin mode
[12:59] <Droopy> like typing the password for nothing
[01:00] <_mindspin> Droopy: try sudo kcontrol maybe it works
[01:00] <Rambler> I've got the same thing when i tried to get the "personal fileserver" up and running.. as you said, like typing the password for nothing
[01:00] <Hysty> Droopy: just found this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75114.html
[01:01] <Droopy> Hmm, I will check the link
[01:01] <ita> btw is this faq still up2date : http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s ?
[01:02] <Rambler> Hysty and others: my cd is ready so i'll test what you suggested. thanks a lot :)
[01:05] <sniff> hmm
[01:06] <sniff> i'm attempting to install skim from sources, but all my attempts are being perverted by something that i don't quite understand: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/555783
[01:06] <sniff> much obliged for a suggestion for correcting this issue
[01:07] <JohnFlux> sniff: I tried for a day to install skim
[01:07] <Hysty> sniff: umm you need QT
[01:08] <JohnFlux> sniff: I gave up and decided to just wait for the next kubuntu release
[01:08] <farous> sniff do you have the liqt-dev installed
[01:08] <sniff> JohnFlux: really? what prob did you have?
[01:08] <JohnFlux> sniff: stupid configure check wants an int to be 32 bits :(
[01:09] <sniff> farous: no i have libqt3-mt-dev installed though
[01:09] <sniff> JohnFlux: not quite sure what that means
[01:10] <Hysty> what is skim anyway?
[01:10] <JohnFlux> sniff: in that case, good luck :P
[01:10] <sniff> i don't have liqt-dev or  libqt-dev
[01:10] <JohnFlux> when is dapper out?
[01:10] <sniff> they aren't in repos
[01:10] <JohnFlux> !find libqt
[01:10] <sniff> Hysty: it lets you type other languages like chinese
[01:10] <farous> that is the right one sniff
[01:10] <Hysty> ah fair enough
[01:11] <JohnFlux> sniff: libqt3-mt-dev   is what you want
[01:11] <snif> JohnFlux: then maybe it is asking for the qt3 install to be in path?
[01:11] <JohnFlux> snif: what does echo $QTDIR    give?
[01:12] <snif> JohnFlux: how can i let configure find it?
[01:12] <snif> 1 mo
[01:12] <snif> nothing at all
[01:13] <JohnFlux> snif: post the contents of config.log to the pastebin
[01:13] <snif> ok..
[01:13] <Hysty> bloody slow win98 setup
[01:14] <snif> JohnFlux: where do i find this file please?
[01:14] <JohnFlux> snif: in the directory you ran make from
[01:15] <snif> JohnFlux:  i haven't run make yet
[01:15] <snif> JohnFlux: ./configure won't work
[01:15] <JohnFlux> right
[01:15] <JohnFlux> in that directory
[01:15] <JohnFlux> there should be a file  config.log
[01:15] <snif> JohnFlux: i'm pretty sure there is no such file there
[01:16] <JohnFlux> configure.log
[01:16] <snif> no
[01:16] <JohnFlux> or .config.log
[01:16] <snif> no nothing apart from   ChangeLog     configure               COPYING
[01:17] <snif> only 3 files with "C"
[01:17] <JohnFlux> what about .c
[01:17] <snif> no hidden files
[01:18] <JohnFlux> strange
[01:18] <JohnFlux> snif: wait until the next release :P
[01:18] <_evil_h_> i am going to add the following lines to my sources.list:
[01:18] <_evil_h_> ##KDE 3.5.1 sources and mirrors
[01:18] <_evil_h_>      deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main
[01:18] <_evil_h_> ^^that should enable me to get the repositories for KDE 3.5.1 right?
[01:19] <JohnFlux> _evil_h_: should be good
[01:19] <snif> my /usr/lib/qt3   is empty apart from a folder called "plugins"
[01:19] <_evil_h_> ok. just wanted to make sure before i saved it and tried it out
[01:19] <snif> _evil_h_: would that let me get skim?
[01:20] <_evil_h_> snif: what is skim?
[01:20] <vge> ./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3 --with-qt-libraries=/usr/lib/qt3
[01:20] <snif> i really want to know why there is no skim for ubuntu, and why scim is version 1.0 when i can get the source for 1.44
[01:20] <vge> ./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3 --with-qt-libraries=/usr/lib/qt3
[01:20] <vge> ./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3 --with-qt-libraries=/usr/lib/qt3
[01:20] <vge> ./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3 --with-qt-libraries=/usr/lib/qt3
[01:20] <vge> ./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3 --with-qt-libraries=/usr/lib/qt3
[01:20] <_evil_h_> snif: if you can get the source then why not just compile it on your own and install it
[01:20] <vge> lol, sry :)
[01:21] <JohnFlux> snif: skim will be in the next ubuntu release like I said ;)
 Droopy: just found this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75114.html     -  Thanks a lot, I solved the problem by reinstalling the 'kcontrol' as it might be buggy.
[01:21] <snif> bollocks
[01:21] <JohnFlux> snif: as will 1.4 scim
[01:21] <snif> why are the repos so old
[01:21] <vge> but basically thats what i need to run when i confiqure
[01:21] <Droopy> This is great
[01:21] <snif> SCons error: no such option: --with-qt-dir
[01:21] <snif> vge: i get error:
[01:22] <Droopy> brb
[01:22] <vge> buildessentials,kdelibs4-dev and kde-devel installed?
[01:23] <vge> for whats it worth
[01:24] <Hobbsee> vge: what the heck was that for?
[01:25] <snif> vge: using "./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3 --with-qt-libraries=/usr/lib/qt3"      gives me the error  "SCons error: no such option: --with-qt-dir"
[01:26] <farous> snif you might need to look at the configure file be opening it. check also if the lib you are using are supported
[01:26] <snif> vge: i don't have kdelibs4-dev
[01:26] <snif> etc
[01:26] <snif> i install them now
[01:27] <farous> snif install kdevelop will install all you need for building pacakges + excellent dev env
[01:27] <snif> i cannot install kde-devel
[01:28] <Hobbsee> why not?
[01:28] <snif> it says "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."
[01:29] <Hobbsee> full error to !pastebin?
[01:29] <snif> that was it
[01:29] <snif> in adept
[01:30] <snif> farous: i can only choose to install kdevlop3,do i choose kdevelop3 or kdevelop3-dev?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> snif: the latter
[01:31] <farous> kdevelop3 is the right one
[01:31] <Hobbsee> oh is it?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> depends what you want it for, i guess
[01:31] <farous> kdevelop3 is the integrated dev env
[01:32] <farous> kdevelop3-dev if you want to modifiy the program itself
[01:32] <snif> ok i will try!!
[01:36] <ita> sigh
[01:37] <ita> i give up on evolution :/ is there a homepage/forum of some kind where i could maybe post my problem ?!
[01:37] <jpatrick> Kontact's nicer (KDE) in my opionion
[01:37] <ita> about "only" tells me its a novell product
[01:37] <ita> i know ./ but i need to connect to a exchange server
[01:41] <jpatrick> ita: microsoft exchanges?
[01:41] <ita> yes
[01:41] <jpatrick> I think Kontact support that
[01:42] <ita> huh .. if so im misinformed .. ill google for that right away
[01:42] <jpatrick> maybe it's in it's Handbook
[01:44] <ita> yes thank you im already reading kontact homepage
[01:44] <snif> why if i install   kde-devel   will it break something?
[01:50] <Nomad411> !kicker
[01:50] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Nomad411
[01:51] <Nomad411> Hi all..  When I have Skype running, my kicker bar is on constant jiggling and wiggling, it seems to refresh every half second or something.  Does anyone know how to get this flickering to stop?
[01:52] <Nomad411> !skype
[01:52] <ubotu> skype is, like, totally, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[01:52] <_evil_h_> !vnc
[01:52] <ubotu> it has been said that vnc is http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-36715.html http://www.tightvnc.com/docs.html
[01:58] <_evil_h_> !alien
[01:58] <ubotu> hmm... alien is a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[01:59] <snif> oh no guys
[01:59] <_evil_h_> anyone have any recommendations for a vnc server that is in the repos
[01:59] <snif> adept is removing all of my kde components
[01:59] <snif> unbelievable
[01:59] <Nomad411> I did that before..
[02:00] <Nomad411> snif: don't close the window
[02:00] <snif> Nomad411: what have i gotta do???????????????????????
[02:00] <vge> _evil_h_: kde has one build in?
[02:00] <Nomad411> I just copied theoutput afterwards, made a script to reinstall it all and ran that
[02:00] <Nomad411> don't quit the window
[02:00] <snif> well that's good for you, but what about me
[02:00] <Nomad411> It,s not hard, I'll tell you what to do
[02:00] <snif> yeah but it;s in adetp, it will close the windows
[02:00] <snif> oh sht
[02:01] <snif> the window's gone
[02:01] <Nomad411> mind you, if someone has a simpler solution, great :0
[02:01] <_evil_h_> vge: it does? i know it has a viewer (KrDc) but not a server as far as I know
[02:01] <snif> holy crap
[02:01] <Nomad411> snif; are you not on that machine?
[02:01] <snif> nothing is installed
[02:01] <snif> oh no!!!
[02:01] <snif> everything had stopped working
[02:01] <Nomad411> At teh very worst, you can probably re-install over it and lose nothing..
[02:01] <snif> oh shit
[02:02] <Nomad411> snif: all your configs are still thee in your home folder
[02:02] <snif> shit shit shit shit shit shit
[02:02] <Nomad411> just take a breather, it's all fixeable
[02:02] <snif> yeah but i've recompiled the kernel etc, it took a lot of work
[02:02] <Nomad411> ahhh
[02:02] <snif> oh no
[02:02] <Nomad411> the kernel is still thee
[02:02] <Nomad411> you said only KDE packages were gone right?
[02:02] <snif> what was it that i uninstalled?
[02:02] <vge> _evil_h_: well i use it as a server, have you checked the kcontrol and the options?
[02:02] <snif> yeah i think so
[02:03] <Nomad411> What command did you do to start this?
[02:03] <snif> did i uninstall kde or something?
[02:03] <Nomad411> looks like it..
[02:03] <_evil_h_> vge: nope. poking in it now
[02:03] <snif> i was using adept
[02:03] <Nomad411> removed what package?
[02:04] <snif> a lot of different ones, i was trying to compile skim source and i installed a lot of dev modules, but none worked. So I thought that i just uninstalled them
[02:04] <Nomad411> Anyone here smarter than me have a solution for snif,s removal of all packages KDE?
[02:04] <snif> well i think i did uninstall them and the whole system
[02:04] <Nomad411> You were doing this from a remote machine?  Why did your window go away?  Ohh Adept-GUI... ok
[02:04] <snif> no on my machine
[02:05] <snif> what is the name of the kde base?
[02:05] <Nomad411> ok, you're where now, still in GUI?
[02:05] <snif> yeah
[02:05] <snif> i know if i close anything i won't get it back
[02:06] <Nomad411> looks like it yes
[02:06] <Nomad411> is adept still open?
[02:06] <snif> i thin i must install    kde   kde-core
[02:06] <snif> yeah still open
[02:06] <Nomad411> I'm looking up the packags
[02:06] <Nomad411> brb
[02:06] <snif> Nomad411: please look at your system, which of the kde-??? packages are there?
[02:06] <snif> Nomad411: thank you!
[02:07] <farous_away> snif to install everything again install kubuntu-desktop
[02:07] <farous_away> this will take care of installing everything again
[02:07] <snif> farous_away: thank you, what about kde-core?
[02:07] <ita> im not that much of a successfull guy today .. im trying to follow the faq on kubuntu homepage to get mp3 support .. but i cant either find the gstream-mad nor the akode-mpeg package .. somethings wrong here
[02:07] <Nomad411> Once you find a main package, the rest will follow
[02:07] <farous_away> snif you need more than the kde-core
[02:07] <snif> i can't belive it let me do this
[02:07] <vge> kde-desktop
[02:07] <vge> hups
[02:07] <Nomad411> It did ask you to confirm :)
[02:08] <snif> it could say i'm about to trash my system, am I sure???
[02:08] <vge> ita: you have all the repositories?
[02:08] <snif> i'm sure not
[02:08] <ita> if have the standard repos yes .. i enabled for testing the 2 "universe" repos .. but i cant find anything
[02:08] <farous_away> snif kubuntu-desktop will take care of everything od not worry it is like installing from the cd overthenet
[02:08] <snif> oh
[02:09] <vge> snif: for future reference, you have /home in different partition than the rest of filesystem?
[02:09] <snif> it won't let me do kde-desktop   says it will break something!!
[02:09] <farous_away> just that it will not install what you already have
[02:09] <snif> vge:  yes i do thankfully
[02:09] <Nomad411> kubuntu-desktop
[02:09] <snif> Nomad411: ok
[02:10] <Nomad411> do it from command-line maybe, farous_away will hi swindow system stay up, it must be unstable?   When I did it I was in konsole mode
[02:10] <Nomad411> you know how to use the command-line version of apt-get?
[02:10] <farous_away> Nomad411: normally he will have problems when he log out right now adept is in the mem so i think will work
[02:11] <Nomad411> good
[02:11] <Nomad411> good luck snif, I'm pretty sure you'll be just fine
[02:11] <snif> Nomad411: won't work
[02:11] <Nomad411> what won't?
[02:11] <snif> says something will break if it's installed
[02:11] <farous_away> snif did you close adept
[02:11] <snif> farous_away: not yet
[02:11] <farous_away> ok what will break give us the message
[02:11] <snif> can i do a force install from terminal
[02:12] <Nomad411> trying to install "kubuntu-desktop" it tells you this?
[02:12] <snif> i'm using adept, it doesn't say exaclty what
[02:12] <snif> Nomad411: yes
[02:12] <Nomad411> otry from a terminal
[02:12] <farous_away> hmm try it Nomad411 wy do it in a terminal
[02:12] <farous_away> i just wish you did not remove apt
[02:12] <Nomad411> I dunno, if adept is weird after having just removed it..
[02:12] <snif> if i use terminal then i will close adept..... am i sure i want to do this?
[02:13] <Nomad411> ok, maybe nt
[02:13] <snif> well what can i do with adept open?
[02:13] <snif> not much methinks
[02:13] <vge> ita: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/555842 here is my sources list, feel free to use, replace fi with your natinality
[02:13] <snif> is there a command from console to force it to install?
[02:13] <Nomad411> It just seems to me that at the very worst, you can reinstall it from CD
[02:13] <farous_away> snif take a deep breath now open a terminal
[02:13] <Nomad411> -f maybe
[02:14] <Nomad411> force it against having adept open you mean?
[02:14] <snif> farous_away: i can't open anything, but fortunately i already have a terminal open
[02:14] <farous_away> and do not make rush decsision think clearly first
[02:14] <Nomad411> exactly
[02:14] <snif> no force the install even thoug something may break
[02:14] <farous_away> hmm in it type which apt-get
[02:15] <farous_away> or better ls /usr/bin/apt-get
[02:15] <Nomad411> His path and binaries should all be ok though
[02:15] <snif> sniff@kubuntu:~/skim$ which apt-get
[02:15] <snif> /usr/bin/apt-get
[02:15] <Nomad411> regular binaries that is
[02:15] <farous_away> great
[02:15] <ita> vge: thank you
[02:15] <snif> what now guys?
[02:15] <farous_away> Nomad411: i do nto know exactly what he removed and what he left
[02:16] <Nomad411> I would first try   sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:16] <snif> i don't think it will let me
[02:16] <farous_away> me too seems adept has a problem
[02:16] <snif> so i will close Adept......?
[02:16] <Nomad411> I think that the dependencies will all catch up, AND hopefully there is a log of what adept removed, to b elooked at afterwards
[02:16] <farous_away> snif if the worst happen you can try ctrl alt F1
[02:16] <farous_away> login to a terminal
[02:16] <farous_away> and type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:16] <snif> i'm closing adept...... ok?
[02:17] <Nomad411> it's your call
[02:17] <Nomad411> but seems to be going nowhere with adept anyway
[02:17] <snif> it's gone
[02:17] <Nomad411> we'll miss it
[02:17] <Nomad411> :)
[02:18] <snif> ok...
[02:18] <snif> terminal is doeing it's thing
[02:19] <snif> but it's getting off the net so will take a long time
[02:19] <farous_away> ya so it is working now good
[02:19] <farous_away> will download everything than install it for you
[02:19] <farous_away> you will need to log out and in again after it do
[02:19] <snif> farous_away: true, but will it work afterwards... i guess time will tell.... :)
[02:20] <farous_away> snif it will work fine
[02:20] <Nomad411> It should, it did for me, except I did re-install each package individually
[02:20] <farous_away> :)
[02:20] <snif> just wondering, when apt-get downloads and installs stuff, does it delete it afterwards?
[02:20] <farous_away> snif no
[02:20] <Nomad411> There will be a log from adept, I hope, that will show you lal packages missing, you can alway speck at that and re-install anythign that is now missing
[02:20] <farous_away> it is stored under /var/apt/cache
[02:21] <Nomad411> Not until you do a clean command
[02:21] <farous_away> yap
[02:21] <Nomad411> I think teh slogan should be "Relax, you're using Linux now.. "   ;)
[02:22] <Nomad411> Except don't relax to the point of deleting everything  ;)
[02:22] <farous_away> :)
[02:22] <snif> what is the clean command?
[02:22] <farous_away> ok off to my work again take care all
[02:22] <Nomad411> sudo apt-get clean removes teh saved packages
[02:22] <Nomad411> have a good day farous_away
[02:23] <Nomad411> snif: let us know how it goes afterwards :)
[02:24] <snif> Nomad411: i will man!
[02:30] <_evil_h_> there any virtual cd-rom programs to mount .iso files on?
[02:31] <jpatrick> 'mount'
[02:31] <farous_away> _evil_h_: you just mount it no need for program with linux
[02:31] <_evil_h_> really?! sweet. im so loving linux
[02:31] <Nomad411> mount -o loop /dev/cdrom   shoudl do it I think
[02:31] <farous_away> you will need the loop dev so google it
[02:32] <farous_away> oh Nomad411 got it
[02:32] <farous_away> Nomad411: but you point to where the iso is
[02:32] <Nomad411> yes, of cousre
[02:32] <Nomad411> I got confused with my qemu commands lately..
[02:33] <Nomad411> where an ISO is used as the CDrom
[02:33] <Nomad411> well breakfast time, then work..
[02:33] <Nomad411> astalavista!
[02:33] <farous_away> cheers Nomad411
[02:33] <farous_away> :)
[02:40] <_evil_h_> !loop-dev
[02:40] <ubotu> _evil_h_: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:41] <hatake_kakashi> loop module comes part of linux kernel
[02:41] <hatake_kakashi> or should I say more under the mount
[02:47] <ita> omg hit me cause im stupid
[02:48] <ita> lesson learned: upgrade all packages, add repositories AND HIT "Fetch Updates" to get the new feel
[02:48] <robotgeek> :)
[02:48] <ita> installing mp3 support now, i think this will work out now
[02:49] <prueba2> hello
[02:49] <robotgeek> hi prueba2
[02:50] <prueba2> Sorry for my ignorance, but do you know a good tutorial of the bash of linux?
[02:50] <robotgeek> !cli
[02:50] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[02:50] <ita> silence is over - mp3 works
[02:50] <ita> :) woohoo
[02:51] <prueba2> Oh...
[02:51] <prueba2> thanks.
[02:56] <vge> arrgh, finally got external links working with firefox, darn those pissed me off
[02:58] <ita> i know this question comes a bit late - but its ok to use adept for installing packages, right ?
[02:58] <robotgeek> ita: yes :)
[02:59] <ita> thanks :>
[02:59] <robotgeek> it's preferred infact, if you are new to linux
[03:01] <joseph> hi.
[03:01] <joseph> how do i upgrade kubuntu 5.04 to 5.11
[03:02] <robotgeek> joseph: you been 5.10 :)
[03:02] <robotgeek> !breezy
[03:02] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[03:03] <joseph> Yes, but are the repositories correct?
[03:03] <robotgeek> joseph: if you follow the guide, it has to be correct
[03:04] <joseph> alright, thanks.
[03:25] <puckman> Anyone here know how I can use Japanese input on ubuntu?
[03:25] <jpatrick> skim
[03:25] <jpatrick> (dapper)
[03:25] <puckman> I installed a few methods via apt but I cant figure out how to work it
[03:28] <apokryphos> woot, [K] ubuntu on TV! http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/lca2006_tvclip.xvid.avi
[03:30] <_evil_h_> NINJA!!!
[03:33] <thompa> !automake
[03:33] <ubotu> thompa: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:33] <thompa> !gcc
[03:33] <ubotu> somebody said gcc was the GNU project C and C++ compiler.  From the command-line, type "man gcc" for a complete manual on gcc.  You can install gcc with 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[03:33] <thompa> well thats what i was looking for you cryptic smartass
[03:35] <ccc__> apokryphos: nice :)
[03:41] <thompa> !firefox
[03:42] <thompa> !firefox1.5
[03:42] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[03:43] <T3hWiz0rd> firwfox is overrated
[03:43] <thompa> what do you use?
[03:44] <_evil_h_> opera
[03:44] <T3hWiz0rd> little bit of konq and firefox, depends on what im doing.
[03:44] <jpatrick> Konqueror
[03:44] <thompa> i like konqueror, but on kubuntu it seems real slow
[03:44] <vge> arrgh, i hate whan i dont have anything to fix on kubuntu atm :/
[03:44] <T3hWiz0rd> thompa: kubuntu seems real slow in a lot of aspects lol
[03:45] <NRG88> hi, why can't i read dvd's with my lg combo? it can only read cd's, but under win, it reads dvds to. this is my slave drive, i have a dvd writer on master, and that is reading dvd's
[03:45] <thompa> i wonder if a newer kernel  will help
[03:46] <T3hWiz0rd> thompa: iunno... I noticed that it always ran my cpu higher than it should, so i had to do a suse box for some of my stuff
[03:47] <thompa> T3hWiz0rd: how are you checking cpu usage?
[03:47] <NRG88> can i set anywhere what can a device read?
[03:47] <NRG88> i mean an optical drive
[03:47] <thompa> !dvd
[03:47] <ubotu> well, dvd is DVDs may require libdvdcss2, which is available at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:47] <NRG88> thanks
[03:48] <_evil_h_> thats for playing css encrypted movies. a normal dvd should still work
[03:48] <T3hWiz0rd> thompa: using the ps a system
[03:48] <tijn> aha
[03:48] <oc> Hello, can anyone provide me with some help installing The Apache Tomcat?
[03:52] <thompa> T3hWiz0rd: system load gives me between 60-80 cpu load when usinf konqueror, i think thats ok
[03:53] <T3hWiz0rd> thompa: i had abot 7 sthings using that much at all time
[03:53] <T3hWiz0rd> it just wasn't working for my radiostation
[03:54] <thompa> its just web browsing on cable is like dialup
[03:55] <_mindspin> k
[03:55] <Kryczek> Hi everybody! I know this is a stupid question, but I really can't remember and I've already tried searching on Google and Kubuntu's website, but: what's the package name for the (K)ubuntu kernel image?
[03:56] <Kryczek> I also tried apt-cache search'ing and grep'ing, etc
[03:57] <thompa> linux-image i think
[03:59] <thompa> Kryczek: if you browse with adept "linux-image" or just type kernel
[03:59] <thompa> i would not install with adept though
[03:59] <Kryczek> i typed kernel, but it returns many many packages ;)
[04:00] <Kryczek> it seems to be linux-image indeed
[04:00] <Kryczek> thanks
[04:00] <NRG88> thompa, i've installed that libdvdcss2, and now i can't read dvds in even in the one in wich worked before
[04:00] <thompa> linux-image-386
[04:00] <Kryczek> yeah i rarely use it myself
[04:00] <NRG88> mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only
[04:00] <NRG88> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[04:00] <Kryczek> 686 i suppose, since this is a P4
[04:00] <yeonhoo> hi
[04:00] <yeonhoo> i just installed my kubuntu yesterday ...
[04:01] <yeonhoo> who can help me with umcompressing files?
[04:01] <thompa> Kryczek: yes well, read the description on the right
[04:01] <Kryczek> thompa: there are too many :p
[04:01] <Kryczek> thompa: nevermind, the package is named linux-image, so you already answered my question, thanks :)
[04:01] <yeonhoo> i have .gz file. what can i do to extract file?
[04:02] <Kryczek> yeonhoo: gunzip file.gz
[04:02] <yeonhoo> thank you Lryczec
[04:02] <Kryczek> or in Konqueror you could click on it and it will open it using Ark
[04:02] <yeonhoo> thank you Lryczek
[04:02] <Kryczek> ;)
[04:02] <yeonhoo> :D
[04:03] <yeonhoo> ...there is other problem..
[04:03] <yeonhoo> .tar...
[04:03] <yeonhoo> how can i extract this file.. what command should i use?
[04:03] <_evil_h_> just click on it
[04:03] <Kryczek> yeonhoo: why don't you open it in Konqueror?
[04:03] <_evil_h_> ark will unpack it too
[04:03] <yeonhoo> im on konsole
[04:04] <yeonhoo> im trying to unpack on konsole using command :D
[04:04] <_evil_h_> why dont you use Konqueror?
[04:04] <Kryczek> the command is "tar zxvf file.tar.gz", but you should use Konqueror, it's easier for you
[04:04] <yeonhoo> does konqueror extract?
[04:04] <Kryczek> yes
[04:04] <Kryczek> with Ark
[04:05] <yeonhoo> ok thank you !
[04:07] <_evil_h_> what do i need to type into Konsole to mount an .iso file? I've tried reading the manual but its confusing. too many switchs
[04:07] <yeonhoo> hmm...
[04:07] <tijn> mount /dir/bla.iso /where/you/want/it -t iso9660 -o loop
[04:07] <tijn> i think
[04:08] <_evil_h_> just a sec let me try
[04:08] <tijn> k
[04:08] <yeonhoo> i was trying to install flash player..
[04:08] <yeonhoo> ERROR: Your home directory does not have a Mozilla, Netscape, or Opera
[04:08] <yeonhoo>        browser user directory. Run one of these browsers at least once.
[04:09] <yeonhoo> there was error that i have not one of these browsers
[04:09] <yeonhoo> how can i install flash player on konqueror?
[04:10] <_evil_h_> says that iso9660 an unknown file system
[04:11] <yeonhoo> _evil_h_ can you help me plz!
[04:11] <yeonhoo> what should i do to install flash player~~?
[04:11] <_evil_h_> yeonhoo: i don't know how to install flash on konqueror. i use opera or firefox
[04:12] <_evil_h_> yeonhoo: and they have automated installers. sorry
[04:12] <thompa> !dapper
[04:12] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be the "Dapper Drake" release, due April 20, 2006. Be warned that it's not yet stable but you are encouraged to help out with testing - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing.
[04:12] <yeonhoo> ok..
[04:12] <_evil_h_> !flash
[04:12] <ubotu> restricted is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[04:16] <thompa> does anyone know what kernel dapper has?
[04:18] <_evil_h_> thompa: i believe it is still using Monolithic
[04:20] <vvatsa> hey any one got mplayer working in dapper
[04:21] <ita> im trying to get my network mounts back but mount tells me "wrong fs type, bad option or other error" .. im trying via "mount -t cifs..." .. could it be i need some cifs support first ?
[04:21] <vvatsa> I have tried to compile it, but the bin. just segfaults
[04:24] <ita> does "apt-get install smbfs" really help me getting cifs mounts to work ?
[04:27] <yeonhoo> what's the command to see the actual kubunto's version?
[04:28] <thompa> !java
[04:28] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[04:28] <yeonhoo> !kubuntu
[04:28] <ubotu> kubuntu is, like, totally, Ubuntu+KDE, (not a fork) ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[04:29] <Flexo> w00t, my windows disk is in SFS format! WTH?
[04:29] <thompa> yeonhoo: you can see kernel version by typing "uname -r"
[04:30] <Roey> hi
[04:30] <Roey> who does the Kubuntu web site?
[04:30] <Roey> It uses MoinMoin, and I want to know which Blog macro they used for it
[04:32] <Flexo> anyone know what to do when the win disk is SFS ?
[04:33] <yeonhoo> thank you thompa :D
[04:34] <Terracina_LUG> hi
[04:34] <ita> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20156 - could someone please check and tell me if we still have that issue ?
[04:34] <Terracina_LUG> do u know a full package autoinstall with audio/video codecs  ?
[04:34] <tijn> w32codecs
[04:34] <_evil_h_> !w32codecs
[04:34] <ubotu> methinks w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[04:35] <Terracina_LUG> thanks
[04:35] <_evil_h_> np
[04:35] <Terracina_LUG> im newbie :P
[04:35] <_evil_h_> so am i
[04:45] <ita> the question is .. do we still have that bug ? i need to connect like 10 network mounts and if i cant do that via fstab im in "trouble"
[04:46] <bur[n] er_> ita: try it out
[04:47] <ita> i did .. via command line "mount -t cifs ..." and via entry in /etc/fstab followed by mount -a i get the very same error
[04:47] <ita> whereby via konqueror : smb://theBox/theMount all works fine
[04:48] <ita> i often work on remote machines / dev servers .. and i definately CANT do all file transfer via drag/drop/scp/ftp i definately need mounts
[04:50] <_evil_h_> sudo mount /home/evilh/ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso -t iso9660 -o loop
[04:50] <_evil_h_> ^^what am i missing for this to not work?
[04:53] <JasonF> _evil_h_: a mountpoint
[04:53] <JasonF> _evil_h_: mount --help or man mount
[04:55] <farous> you can not install to a partition that is already mounted _evil_h_
[04:55] <farous> if that is what you are trying to do
[04:55] <_mindspin> ita: try this:
[04:55] <_evil_h_>  im trying to mount the .iso
[04:55] <_mindspin> mount -t smbfs //hostnameorIP/sharename /path /to/mountpoint -o rw,gid=500,uid=500,username=username,password=
[04:55] <farous> ok let me check the command i was using
[04:56] <_mindspin> dont forget to create the mountpoint
[04:56] <JasonF> _evil_h_: sudo mount /home/evilh/ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso /some/folder -t iso9660 -o loop
[04:56] <farous> give me a min i am firing up my other pc
[04:57] <_evil_h_> see thats the thing thats confusing me.what does the directory i want to mount to have to be. do i have to create it first or if i specify one that doesnt exist will it create it?
[04:57] <JasonF> _evil_h_: you have to create an empty dir
[04:57] <_evil_h_> im totally new to how this works. too used to M$
[04:57] <JasonF> like in your case, I'd mkdir /media/ubuntu
[04:57] <JasonF> and use that as the mountpoint
[04:58] <_evil_h_> ok let me try that
[04:58] <JasonF> _evil_h_: sudo mount /home/evilh/ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso /media/ubuntu -t iso9660 -o loop
[04:59] <weedar> Anyone notice that KDE 3.5.1 breaks alot of dependencies?
[04:59] <_evil_h_> i did. though a reboot restored most of them
[05:03] <_evil_h_> how do i know if it mounted?
[05:03] <minitareck> hi
[05:03] <_evil_h_> hi
[05:04] <tijn> mount
[05:04] <_evil_h_> ok it says that its mounted
[05:05] <_evil_h_> so now all i should have to do is cd -P to where i mounted it and be able to browse files?
[05:12] <vge> arrgh, i have passed the past page in internet and im bored :|
[05:13] <ita> sigh this is definately not my day today .. no evolution <-> exchange .. no mount -t cifs .. now i wanted to register with kubuntu forums and i get "mail() [function.mail] : SMTP server response: 501 Syntax error in parameters or arguments" ... i think its time to go home soon
[05:14] <tijn> the last u mean
[05:18] <MetaMorfoziS> !firewall
[05:18] <ubotu> Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter, which can be installed via synaptic.
[05:21] <sniff> gals + guys
[05:21] <bert_> How do you set it up? I've just installed it and it's just sitting idle with no events now
[05:22] <sniff> can any1 remember the web address of that site that can create a new sources.list file for you?
[05:23] <_martin_> hi, could somebody send me his nvata.sys-file from C:\WINDOWS\System32\drivers ?
[05:23] <bert_> Go to ubuntu forums, the page is shown there
[05:24] <sniff> !sources.list
[05:24] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[05:24] <sniff> !easysource
[05:24] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:24] <sniff> aha!
[05:24] <sniff> gotcha!
[05:26] <pdoran> ok newb question, what is easiest way to install kde 3.5.1?
[05:27] <weedar> pdoran, read http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[05:27] <weedar> Add the sources, do an apt-get update and then an apt-get upgrade
[05:27] <weedar> and there you are :)
[05:29] <pdoran> ok that url has no instructions other than importing a pgp key
[05:29] <sniff> !kde
[05:29] <ubotu> I heard kde is A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[05:29] <sniff> !kde-351
[05:29] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, sniff
[05:29] <pdoran> do I need to change the repository to point to a a 3.5.1 repository?
[05:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> why sometimes when kopete play a notification audacity tells me that the sound device is not free anymore?
[05:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> this is something i don't understand, it seems that only one program can use a device at time........right?
[05:30] <vge> how do i link a shell script that i need to run ./nameofthefile with systemlink to /usr/bin? somthing like ln -s /home/user/programs/./nameofthefile /usr/bin/nameofthefile?
[05:30] <poningru> !sound
[05:30] <ubotu> [sound]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[05:31] <crimsun> Tallia1Kubuntu: audacity uses alsa's oss emulation, which is exclusive
[05:32] <pdoran> ok I just did the apt-upgrade / apt-update and then the apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, but it still pulls down 3.4.3
[05:32] <crimsun> Tallia1Kubuntu: you can only dmix (share playback) native alsa apps
[05:32] <pdoran> what am I  missing?
[05:32] <keitsi> vge: you must mean a symbolic link, right? :) ln -s /path/to/binary /dir/to/link/to/
[05:32] <_mindspin> update the repositories
[05:32] <vge> ill try that one
[05:33] <_evil_h_> pdoran: did you add the kde 3.5.1 repos to your sources.list?
[05:33] <_fred> jjjkj
[05:33] <pdoran> oops ;-(
[05:33] <_fred> kkk
[05:34] <_evil_h_> pdoran: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:34] <pdoran> anyone have any issues w/ 3.5.1? is it solid?
[05:35] <_evil_h_> im using it now
[05:35] <_evil_h_> kinda slow but i think thats cause my laptop kinda sucks and kde is just slow to begin with
[05:35] <pdoran> u like? much different from 3.4.3?
[05:35] <pdoran> I hear superkurumba is built in
[05:35] <_evil_h_> its a little cleaner, moved some things around
[05:36] <_evil_h_> i dont know what superkurumba is so i couldnt say
[05:36] <_evil_h_> still new to this. only been using for a month
[05:36] <_mindspin> i upgraded for stability reasons
[05:37] <_mindspin> beside kaffeine always running in the background when started and eating up resources its ok for me
[05:37] <_mindspin> but kaffeine acted the same in 3.4.3
[05:38] <_evil_h_> kaffeine is aggravating
[05:38] <_mindspin> btw what is superkaramba?
[05:38] <pdoran> its like OSX widgets
[05:38] <_evil_h_> !superkaramba
[05:38] <ubotu> SuperKaramba is a KDE application that allows you to create interactive eye-candy on your desktop. Official site: http://netdragon.sourceforge.net SK Themes: http://kdelook.org
[05:38] <_mindspin> ah those styles I think nobody never needs
[05:39] <pdoran> hmmmm candy
[05:39] <_evil_h_> i put everything in black and white
[05:39] <pdoran> yummy
[05:39] <_evil_h_> my laptop sucks too much for eyecandy
[05:39] <_mindspin> when I wanna that smooth female style I would get me a mac
[05:39] <_mindspin> mine too
[05:39] <_evil_h_> though bet my athlon fx-53 system would have no prob : D
[05:39] <pdoran> well my macbook pro delivery got pushed back, and I need to compensate
[05:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> crimsun: so i have only to accept an error from audacity every time that i have kopete on........
[05:40] <crimsun> Tallia1Kubuntu: is arts configured to use alsa or oss?
[05:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> in kconfig is autodetect
[05:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i check?
[05:42] <vge> hmm, i created the symbolic link with command "sudo ln -s /home/vge/programs/azureus/azureus /usr/bin/azureus", and i is created, but when i try to run it, the program crashes in boot?
[05:42] <_mindspin> how do you handle the password?
[05:43] <_mindspin> oops talking rubbish
[05:44] <vge> so basically the program cant use resources from the orginal folder and i would need to link em as well?
[05:44] <keitsi> I wouldn't link to global directories if the program is installed in home dir anyway...
[05:45] <vge> how would you suggest that i do it?
[05:45] <keitsi> try if you can find an ubuntu deb package for it, that should solve the problem
[05:47] <vge> kk, i think i found one
[05:48] <_evil_h_> ok how do i unmount something. i tried typing sudo unmount and it said that the command didnt exist
[05:49] <keitsi> umount
[05:49] <keitsi> use the TAB, luke :)
[05:49] <_evil_h_> that explains it
[05:49] <_evil_h_> thx
[05:52] <xxenon> is amarok 1.4 installable on breezy ?
[05:53] <nlindblad> hi
[05:54] <kosh> hi nlindblad
[05:54] <nlindblad> :D
[05:55] <sniff> guys
[05:55] <sniff> how do you do a "safe update" from the terminal?
[05:56] <kosh> safe update?
[05:56] <sniff> yeah like in the adept menu
[05:56] <sniff> not a full upgrade
[05:56] <sniff> just updates essential security fixes
[05:57] <_fred> 687
[05:57] <kosh> ah never noticed that
[05:57] <kosh> I don't know what it is doing when you do that
[05:58] <_evil_h_> !42
[05:58] <sniff> !upgrade
[05:58] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[06:06] <_evil_h_> vge: where did you find that azureus .deb file?
[06:11] <vge> http://debian.spark.net.gr/debian/pool/contrib/a/azureus/
[06:12] <_evil_h_> vge: thanks. been looking for one of those for a while
[06:12] <vge> well i cant use it cos it messes up the eclipse and counterwize
[06:16] <vge> how do i that when i type azureus whereever i want, it will start the shellscript  thats located in my homefolder?
[06:17] <vge> i need to use the tarball cos eclipse+azureus dont match that well
[06:17] <_evil_h_> whats eclipse?/
[06:17] <_evil_h_> !eclipse
[06:17] <ubotu> to install eclipse please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipseIDE
[06:17] <_mindspin> a developement environment
[06:20] <_mindspin> did anyone ever compiled john the ripper on breezy?
[06:21] <kosh> sudo apt-get install john
[06:22] <_mindspin> ic i noticed john in kynaptic, but thought it was an editer (like joe)
[06:23] <kosh> apt-cache show john
[06:23] <kosh> if you clicked on it then it should say what it is
[06:23] <_mindspin> no prob
[06:26] <_evil_h_> gggrrr i dont wanna mess with installing java but everything i have tried doing it today wants it
[06:27] <kosh> java is a pain in the neck on any unix system
[06:27] <kosh> because of sun actually
[06:27] <_evil_h_> yeah i know thats why i have been trying to avoid installing it
[06:28] <_evil_h_> the install process is a bit above my level
[06:28] <kosh> enable multiverse in breezy java is in there
[06:30] <kosh> then you can just do sudo apt-get install j2re1.4
[06:30] <kosh> and any other java parts you want
[06:31] <kosh> however since I came from debian I never learned the ubuntu way of maxing those changes and I have editing and changed my sources.list file a fair bit
[06:53] <cmvo> Hi! Dumb question: How can I keep KDE 3.51 (breezy) from creating the "Remote Share" icons on the desktop?
[06:55] <pdoran> ok so I added the kde 3.5.1 repositiory and did a apt-get upgrade / update
[06:55] <pdoran> and then a apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, but I still dont have 3.5.1??
[06:56] <_evil_h_> how can that be?
[06:57] <jenowin> s.a.
[06:57] <jenowin> :)
[06:58] <pdoran> when I so a  apt-get upgrade, it lists many kde poackages as being "kept back"
[06:58] <pdoran> how do I tell apt to not "keep back" these packages?
[06:59] <_evil_h_> i dunno
[07:00] <jpatrick> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:01] <pdoran> thanks
[07:03] <_evil_h_> im trying to install java but for some reason the java-package isnt in my repos. multiverse and universe are both active so wtf?
[07:03] <farous> !jaba
[07:03] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, farous
[07:03] <farous> !java
[07:03] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[07:06] <m0ns00n> _evil_h_: It's a license problem.....
[07:08] <_evil_h_> i know
[07:13] <cion> hey all I just installed Kubuntu
[07:13] <cion> Im kinda disappointed
[07:13] <cion> many bugs
[07:13] <cion> how do i upgrade to kde 3.5
[07:13] <cion> ?
[07:15] <_evil_h_> cion: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[07:16] <Vge> arrgh, i messed up my .bash_profile and could not edit it anymore after reboot, now im in rescue console and trying to fiqure out how to mount my separate /home drive to somewhere?
[07:18] <cion> how do i add Kde 3.5 sources to etc/apt/sources.list ?
[07:18] <_evil_h_> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:18] <cion> do i have to use text editor?
[07:19] <cion> can't i use kate?
[07:19] <_evil_h_> you can use any text editor
[07:19] <_evil_h_> gedit is just the one i use
[07:20] <cion> kate is fully buggy
[07:20] <cion> it crashes everytime
[07:20] <cion> how can i solve this and update to kde 3.5
[07:20] <_evil_h_> what about gedit?
[07:20] <cion> i'll install gedit
[07:20] <Vge> how do i know what is the mountpoint for my second partition?
[07:21] <_evil_h_> vge: i dont know. thats way above my level. i think hdparm might have a thing that tells you
[07:21] <_evil_h_> but i aint sure at all
[07:22] <_evil_h_> cion: once you got your sources.list open add the following lines at the bottom
[07:22] <_evil_h_> ##KDE 3.5.1 packages
[07:22] <_evil_h_>      deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main
[07:23] <_evil_h_> cion: also if you haven't done it yet enable the multiverse and universe repos by uncommenting them
[07:23] <Vge> gg, found it from fstab :)
[07:24] <cion> with apet?
[07:24] <cion> adept?
[07:24] <_evil_h_> cion: yes i think you can enable them in adept too
[07:24] <_evil_h_> just a sec
[07:24] <_evil_h_> gotta check
[07:25] <cion> ok
[07:25] <Vge> arrgh, VI my nemesis
[07:26] <_evil_h_> cion: yes you can enable them in adept and also should be able to add the KDE 3.5.1 repos without using a text editor.
[07:27] <_evil_h_> cion: sorry. i try to do things via CLI to get myself aquainted with it. just open Adept --> Adept--> manage repositories
[07:27] <cion> ok thx man
[07:28] <_evil_h_> cion: what we are here for
[07:29] <Vge> note to self "dont edit .bash_profile if you dont know what your doing" :)
[07:30] <_evil_h_> you can edit just make sure you can easily restore it to a saved copy when you do
[07:30] <_evil_h_> ;)
[07:31] <cion> whats the command to update kde once sources list is done?
[07:31] <_evil_h_> sudo apt-get update
[07:31] <_evil_h_> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:32] <cion> with those i update to kde 3.5.1?
[07:32] <_evil_h_> think so
[07:33] <Annukai> any of you know the link to the 5.10 faq?
[07:34] <_evil_h_> java+linux = raymond >:O
[07:35] <Grim76_Work> I would like to install vmware and run winxp in a vmware session for a couple of apps that I have to work with.  Is there a good howto out there that someone is aware of?
[07:35] <cion> evil how do i check whats my kde version?
[07:36] <_evil_h_> one moment
[07:36] <_evil_h_> puters being slow
[07:36] <tsdgeos> $ konqueror -v
[07:37] <cjnodell> hello all. I have a few question I was hoping you guys could help me with...
[07:38] <tsdgeos> cjnodell: just ask, don't ask to ask
[07:38] <cion> lol
[07:39] <cion> whats the graphic tool for iptables in kubuntu?
[07:39] <Grim76_Work> Firestarter is a pretty common one
[07:39] <cion> ok
[07:39] <cion> i installe synaptic but i think i don't need it
[07:40] <cjnodell> I am trying kubuntu, and want to change the way kde shows gtk apps (i think kde really uglifies gtk apps by default). I keep going to system-settings-apearance and themes-gtk styles and fonts. But whenever i click on it i get the launching gtk styles and fonts box on the taskbar, and then nothing. what is going on?
[07:40] <Grim76_Work> Synaptic is a front end for Apt-get
[07:40] <cjnodell> I am trying kubuntu, and want to change the way kde shows gtk apps (i think kde
[07:40] <cjnodell> really uglifies gtk apps by default). I keep going to system-settings-apearance and themes-gtk styles and fonts. But whenever i click on it i get the launching gtk styles and fonts box on the taskbar, and then nothing. what is going on?
[07:41] <cjnodell> sorry, i am not sue if my question came through right the first time, i hope i didnt ask twice...
[07:41] <cion> u did
[07:42] <cjnodell> sorry
[07:43] <cion> ;)
[07:44] <cjnodell> I tried logging out and rebooting, but it simply won't open
[07:45] <_evil_h_> !@^$#@%@* java
[07:45] <ubotu> _evil_h_: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:46] <_evil_h_> any one know where i can get the java-packages repo that is supposed to be in multiverse but for some reason isnt?/
[07:47] <cjnodell> anyone?
[07:48] <_evil_h_> cjnodell: i dunno. im a n00b
[07:48] <_evil_h_> !gtk
[07:48] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _evil_h_
[07:49] <vge> now that i got azureus working as i wanted, im again bored :)
[07:52] <cion> evil it says here that I need a public key to updgrade to kde 3.5
[07:54] <_evil_h_> cion: one moment
[07:55] <_evil_h_> cion: following lines will fix that
[07:55] <_evil_h_> wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[07:55] <_evil_h_>  sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[07:55] <_evil_h_> cion: i forgot about the key
[07:55] <_evil_h_> cion:soory
[07:56] <cion> evil: no probs
[07:56] <cion> do i only have to type what it says in webpage u sent me to?
[07:57] <_evil_h_> yup
[07:57] <cion> the dist-upgrade right?
[07:57] <_evil_h_> believe so. someone correct e if i am wrong
[07:58] <_evil_h_> you already downloaded the updates right?
[07:58] <cion> listen i got antoher question: i installed synaptic but im going to uninstall it; does any package or lib of some kind stay in the system?
[07:58] <cion> i think so...
[07:59] <cion> o yeah I did lol ;)
[07:59] <_evil_h_> lol
[07:59] <_evil_h_> im not sure about the synaptic thing
[08:00] <blackflag> hello all
[08:00] <thegladiator> hwo to tun the kde panel ?
[08:00] <blackflag> where stores fetchmail mails when no smtp server is available?
[08:00] <cion> does deborphan work on kde too? along with gtkorphan
[08:00] <blackflag> can someone help?
[08:00] <thegladiator> i am using gnome just to see if it wors from here!
[08:01] <_evil_h_> cion:never heard of either of those. like i said im still new to this
[08:01] <thegladiator> hwo to tun the kde panel ?
[08:02] <thegladiator> whats the command line to start kde panel soemone please ?
[08:02] <cion> oh ok
[08:03] <_evil_h_> kde panel? wazzat?
[08:03] <vge> kdesktop
[08:04] <thegladiator> yeah kde panel only
[08:04] <_evil_h_> alt f2 panel?
[08:05] <thegladiator> not sure
[08:05] <thegladiator> i a using gnome
[08:05] <thegladiator> trying to see if I can have the kde panel here
[08:05] <robotgeek> thegladiator: alt + f2 , kicker
[08:05] <_evil_h_> oh i dunno. never used gnome
[08:06] <thegladiator> thats it kicker cool thank you
[08:11] <sniff> i don't suppose any of you has heard of something called "tgetent" have you?
[08:12] <sniff> well it has me rather vexed also
[08:12] <sniff> i'm wondering if I'm being led on something of a wild goose chase
[08:14] <blackflag> where stores fetchmail mails when no smtp server is available?
[08:21] <_evil_h_> ***_evil_h_ gives up on Java and goes to play Halo
[08:23] <Psi-Jack> What groups are used by Ubuntu administration, for allowing particular users access to different things? Such groups like, admin, adm, lpadmin, plugdev, floppy, etc.. Is there a list anywhere documented?
[08:25] <zzaza> hi all
[08:26] <varsendagger> hey where can i apt-get the most bleeding edge kdelibs4 and libqt3c102-mt ?
[08:26] <Psi-Jack> kdelibs4?
[08:27] <Psi-Jack> You can get the latest KDE 3.5.1 by looking at kubuntu.org, but KDE 4.0 is still literally only deep development stages.
[08:27] <robotgeek> they have gotten only kate working
[08:32] <trappist> kdelibs4 is not for kde4
[08:32] <varsendagger> varicad2005-en depends on kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.3.2-6.4); however:
[08:32] <varsendagger>   Package kdelibs4 is not installed.
[08:32] <varsendagger>  varicad2005-en depends on libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4); however:
[08:32] <varsendagger>   Package libqt3c102-mt is not installed.
[08:36] <varsendagger> trappist, where can i get those
[08:36] <varsendagger> ?
[08:37] <jarlath> My wireless connection has gone "wierd" on me. kwifimanager sees the network (along with two others), but when I click "connect" I get the message "Aborting network switching due to invalid WEP key specification".
[08:39] <jarlath> Some of my icons have also gone missing eg. the forward and backward buttons in konqueror.
[08:39] <jarlath> I should probably just reinstall, but I would like to know how to sort out the networking side becase I'm crippled without it.
[08:48] <JohnFlux> Hey
[08:49] <JohnFlux> usermod -G cdrom audio video kdedev
[08:49] <JohnFlux> it doesn't like that
[08:49] <JohnFlux> what am I doing wrong?
[08:49] <JohnFlux> I want to put the user kdedev into those groups
[08:49] <JohnFlux> oh, i need to seperate with commas
[08:49] <JohnFlux> :)
[08:54] <thegladiator> is knoqueror a ftp client as well ?
[08:54] <Snake|School> thegladiator: yes
[08:54] <thegladiator> can I upload to a web hosting server using konq ?
[08:54] <thegladiator> i am thinkig of uploading yabb , to a server
[08:55] <Snake|School> thegladiator: you should be able to
[08:55] <thegladiator> thanks
[08:55] <Snake|School> thegladiator: it works just like IE would, drag and drop
[08:55] <thegladiator> ah thank you
[08:55] <Snake|School> thegladiator: you can also edit files with kate directly from the browser, when you save it will automatically be uploaded
[08:55] <Snake|School> No need to download, edit, change, upload. Just open, change, save
[08:55] <Snake|School> :)
[08:55] <thegladiator> yepp
[09:04] <Psi-Jack> I hate people sometimes.
[09:04] <Snake__> Psi-Jack: I always do.
[09:04] <Snake__> lol
[09:05] <Psi-Jack> I especially  hate it when people wrap you around and around and around, all for no purpose whatsoever.
[09:05] <Psi-Jack> Completely dodging the whole topic and point.
[09:05] <Snake__> Psi-Jack: yep
[09:06] <Psi-Jack> Especially over something that's so basic and simple it's not even funny!
[09:07] <Snake__> Heh
[09:13] <Psi-Jack> Basically, there's /etc/group, and I wanted to know, what Ubuntu specifically uses to allow/restrict users from preset things. K/Ubuntu, for example, is the ONLY one I've ever seen add a user to the adm group.
[09:14] <Psi-Jack> And by using a find / -group adm, I see it's generally used for /dev/xconsole access, and /var/log/* access.
[09:15] <Snake__> Psi-Jack: you lost me :)
[09:15] <Psi-Jack> Hehe.
[09:15] <Psi-Jack> It's actually, to me, a very basic subject. But then, that is me. I've been using Linux a great many many MANY years now.
[09:16] <Snake__> Psi-Jack: I beenn onnnnn sinnncee...uhhh
[09:16] <Snake__> Psi-Jack: 12 weeks ago :)
[09:17] <Psi-Jack> I've been using Linux since roughly linux 0.12. Wasn't much then, though. heh
[09:19] <Snake__> Psi-Jack: amazing how technology progresses
[09:19] <Psi-Jack> Yep. Heh
[09:22] <Psi-Jack> And, now, for my ultimate question: Does anyone know what groups in /etc/group are used for access allowance/restrictions to various things in Ubuntu? I'm trying to migrate most non-system-related gid's to LDAP, and would like to know which can be safely moved over. So far, by default install, the first user it added to these groups: adm, dialout, cdrom, floppy, audio, dip, video, plugdev, lpadmin, scanner, and admin. Are there an
[09:22] <Psi-Jack> ermissions?
[09:22] <kkathman> Any significantly advanced technology is indistiguishable from magic.
[09:23] <Psi-Jack> Hey, kkathman.
[09:23] <kkathman> howdy :)
[09:23] <Snake__> To kkathman
[09:23] <Snake__> Yo**
[09:23] <Snake__> :)
[09:23] <Psi-Jack> kkathman: Do you hopefully have any idea to my question? :)
[09:24] <kkathman> hmmm didnt see the questions
[09:24] <kkathman> aohh
[09:24] <Psi-Jack> kkathman: It's still visible just a few lines up.
[09:24] <kkathman> hmm nope no clue
[09:24] <Psi-Jack> D'oh. heh
[09:24] <kkathman> sorry bout that
[09:24] <Psi-Jack> Guess I'll just have to find -group everything and see what's used.
[09:24] <Psi-Jack> it's no prob. It's just... NOT documented anywhere where I can find..
[09:25] <Snake__> kkathman: does suse auto-parition NTFS, or will my friend still need to partion magic it first
[09:25] <kkathman> autopartitions
[09:25] <supernix> hi
[09:25] <supernix> I was curious about finding an FTP program
[09:25] <kkathman> Snake__:  well
[09:25] <Snake__> kkathman: awesome, im going to give him that as his first linux OS, I would give him kubuntu...but I dont want him to screw up his ntfs
[09:25] <kkathman> Snake__: take that back...if you dont have the space...you'll need to
[09:25] <Snake__> Ehhh crap......
[09:26] <Psi-Jack> Partition Magic is dangerous.
[09:26] <kkathman> yah...cuz you'll have to release the space for it can be reformatted
[09:26] <kkathman> I like PM personally, never had a problem with it
[09:26] <kkathman> but others have
[09:26] <Snake__> Psi-Jack: always worked fine for me
[09:26] <kkathman> dunno why
[09:26] <supernix> I need one that will auto select the transfer mode like ASCII or binary
[09:26] <trappist> never had a problem with pm myself
[09:27] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. I've had it destroy the partition table to the point, it was /usable/ still, but you couldn't do anything to change the structure anymore, unless you scratched it completely.\
[09:27] <Psi-Jack> If you just create partitions with it, it's fine, but if you do /any/ resizing, it starts getting iffy.
[09:28] <Psi-Jack> I'd guestimate, if you resized one time, it's about a 90% success, second time, 75%, third time, 45%, and anything after that about 20% reliable.
[09:29] <trappist> Psi-Jack: either I'm hella lucky or you need to stay away from casinos
[09:29] <Snake__> LOL
[09:29] <Psi-Jack> trappist: I'm an analyzer. I analyze things, sometimes way too detailedly. :p
[09:30] <Psi-Jack> Although, I have done quite well in the casinos, when I was in Las Vegas on a contract job a couple years back. :)
[09:30] <trappist> Psi-Jack: what I mean is, I've done a *lot* of resizing, moving etc. in partition magic and never had a single problem
[09:31] <Snake__> Same here trappist
[09:31] <Psi-Jack> trappist: All in a row, or seperately over a period of time?
[09:31] <trappist> well I don't just mess with partitions for the sake of doing it, so it gets spaced out some
[09:32] <Snake__> lol
[09:36] <ufo> anyone know howto compile from cvc sources
[09:37] <supernix> Hi anyone know of a good ftp program for kde that will auto sense the transfer mode by file type ?
[09:38] <Snake__> supernix: no, sorry :(
[09:38] <ufo> supernix, try gftp
[09:38] <stian> try gftpgrabber
[09:39] <luisito> anyone have kooldock or ksmoothdock installed?
[09:39] <stian> much nicer gui than gftp, and alot more functionality
[09:40] <ufo> anyone familiar with cvs
[09:40] <supernix> hmmm I would but isn't gftp text mode only ?
[09:41] <stian> nope
[09:41] <stian> gui as well
[09:41] <stian> but try gftpgrabber
[09:41] <stian> much better
[09:41] <stian> get it at www.kde-apps.org
[09:41] <supernix> ok ty stian
[09:46] <angasule> what's the best place to get help for kubuntu? the email list? the forum seems rather inactive
[09:46] <Snake__> angasule: usually right here..
[09:46] <Snake__> :)
[09:46] <angasule> Snake__: tried here, didn't work :P
[09:47] <supernix> are you talking about http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=15343 stian?
[09:47] <Snake__> angasule: why whats up
[09:47] <stian> that would be the one
[09:47] <angasule> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3515.0
[09:47] <supernix> ah k
[09:49] <angasule> Snake__: read it?
[09:49] <Snake__> angasule: reading now...hmm
[09:50] <Snake__> angasule: well the forums certainly arn't dead....it may be that no ones knows....to bad noirequus isn't around, he would probly know
[09:50] <angasule> noirequus? he's a regular in this chat channel?
[09:51] <Snake__> angasule: He goes by the name Nalioth when hes around, hes pretty intelligent. If I see him ill forward your question to him
[09:51] <supernix> crap kftpgrabber is source only
[09:51] <Snake__> supernix: then complie it
[09:51] <Roey> who does the Kubuntu web site?
[09:51] <Roey> It uses MoinMoin, and I want to know which Blog macro they used for it
[09:51] <supernix> i dont know how
[09:51] <angasule> thanks
[09:52] <Snake__> supernix: well I could teach you, or I could make the deb for you, your choice (you may run into a lot of problems complieing from KDE-Apps)
[09:53] <supernix> hmm the less trouble the better
[09:53] <supernix> looks like this is one of the best apps for ftp from what I read
[09:53] <Snake__> supernix: then link me to it, ill build a deb and give that to you, your on i386 right?
[09:53] <nalioth> Snake__: talkin about me?
[09:53] <Snake__> Haha theres nalioth
[09:53] <supernix> yep p4 2.8 ghz
[09:54] <Snake__> nalioth: angasule got a question, you may have the answer :)
[09:54] <supernix> http://kftpgrabber.sourceforge.net/downloads.php
[09:54] <stian> snake, how do one go about building a deb?
[09:54] <supernix> and thanks so very much for your help
[09:54] <nalioth> stian: use checkinstall
[09:54] <nalioth> !checkinstall
[09:54] <ubotu> I heard checkinstall is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[09:54] <angasule> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3515.0   <-- oh, great, nalioth, help us! helps us! :)
[09:54] <Snake__> stian: I use checkinstall, but thats the ghetto way of doing it
[09:54] <stian> will get right on that, thanks
[09:55] <kkathman> checkinstall doesnt really build a debian-qualified deb tho...but if its just for personal use checkinstall is fine :)
[09:55] <Snake__> kkathman: thats why I said the ghetto way :)
[09:55] <kkathman> right
[09:55] <Snake__> supernix: which release do you want
[09:55] <stian> ill try checkinstall and see if i understand it:)
[09:55] <Snake__> supernix: the beta or 0.6.0
[09:55] <supernix> the .07 one
[09:55] <Snake__> ok
[09:55] <supernix> ah the beta
[09:55] <stian> but first of all, gotta go get some food
[09:55] <stian> peace out
[09:56] <supernix> shouldn't that be ok ?
[09:56] <Snake__> supernix: should be, but remeber, its a beta.
[09:56] <supernix> yup
[09:56] <Snake__> So you may have some issues, may not.
[09:56] <nalioth> stian: it's easy. use checkinstall in place of "make install"
[09:57] <stian> fasctinating...
[09:57] <stian> gonna try it now..
[09:57] <stian> just gottaa download something to try it on though
[09:57] <nalioth> angasule: you have all the fonts installed?
[09:58] <Snake__> supernix: got a while?
[09:58] <supernix> yep
[09:58] <Snake__> Okay, this make might take a while :)
[09:58] <angasule> nalioth: yeah
[09:58] <supernix> sure would be nice if we could make a deb for the kubuntu repository and share it
[09:59] <Snake__> supernix: We could, ill talk to someone like Hobbsee and see what she says
[09:59] <Snake__> Might make it into dapper
[09:59] <supernix> kewl
[09:59] <angasule> nalioth: but apparently the fonts are installed for gtk apps (considering mozilla web browser a gtk app)
[09:59] <supernix> so dapper will be the newest version to come out later ?
[09:59] <kkathman> april
[09:59] <Snake__> supernix: dapper will be out in april
[10:00] <nalioth> angasule: i'm not really up on the intricasies of kde vs gnome font management
[10:00] <supernix> wow and i just got breezy working
[10:00] <Snake__> lol
[10:00] <Snake__> supernix: its okay, you can upgrade to dapper
[10:00] <supernix> I sure hope it goes better than my upgrade to breezy from hoary
[10:00] <Snake__> lol
[10:00] <angasule> nalioth: me neither
[10:00] <Snake__> It should be
[10:00] <supernix> that made my kde unbootable
[10:01] <supernix> well kde would not start I should say
[10:01] <Snake__> nalioth: when I checkinstall this, and send it to supernix, will his apt find all the dependencys?
[10:02] <nalioth> Snake__: don't do that.
[10:02] <stian> hard to say... only been using linux for a matter of months myself, so i got a lot to learn
[10:02] <nalioth> Snake__: let supernix do it on their own
[10:02] <stian> he should prolly learn to compile from source, it's pretty easy
[10:02] <supernix> :(
[10:02] <Snake__> nalioth: ehh he said he just wanted to get it done ASAP, and i'm not sure how clean this complie will be
[10:02] <robotgeek> !compile
[10:02] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware
[10:03] <Snake__> alrighty then supernix, get complieing, I dont have time atm to walk you through it, but if you got any ??s feel free to ask lol
[10:04] <supernix> ok ty
[10:04] <stian> its seems to be done making the deb, but where did it go, is there some default location its placed in?
[10:04] <Snake__> stian: its in whatever folder you did the complie in
[10:04] <stian> hmm, then somehting must have gone wrong, cause its not there
[10:04] <stian> well, gonna have to figure it out later...
[10:04] <stian> food now
[10:04] <Snake__> lol
[10:04] <stian> hehe
[10:04] <stian> peace out folks
[10:05] <Psi-Jack> Now I can't load up adept, or kuser, because kdesu is saying my password is wrong. :/
[10:05] <Snake__> Psi-Jack: OWNED.
[10:05] <Snake__> Jp
[10:05] <stian> speaking of which, this  one time i booted up, and tried to log in, it would not accept my passwd, no way in hell
[10:05] <Psi-Jack> heh. It's related to me moving everything to LDAP, I'm quite sure. :p
[10:05] <stian> so i ended up going in as root and resetting it
[10:06] <stian> but for real, and this time I mean it: food now.
[10:07] <Psi-Jack> Hmm. but when I add myself to the LOCAL /etc/group:admin list, I can kdesu fine again.
[10:11] <[aghod] > nas
[10:12] <[aghod] > alguien sabe k ha pasado con kubuntu-es.org?
[10:12] <Snake__> English please
[10:12] <[aghod] > srry
[10:15] <theball> hello
[10:15] <Snake__> hi
[10:16] <supernix> hmm hmmm got an error about no C compiler found
[10:16] <theball> how is it with you today?
[10:17] <Snake__> supernix: Did you install build-essntials?
[10:17] <Snake__> theball: not bad, yourself?
[10:17] <supernix> hmmm I guess not
[10:17] <theball> pretty good for a wednesday
[10:18] <Snake__> supernix: I cant spell for crap
[10:18] <theball> rem to install build-ess is always forgoten by me
[10:18] <supernix> nah build-essentials is not installed
[10:18] <theball> makes 2 of us Snake__
[10:18] <Snake__> supernix: yea, get that :)
[10:19] <supernix> wow I think that installed gcc and a host of other apps
[10:20] <Snake__> supernix: thats what it should do
[10:20] <Snake__> :)
[10:20] <theball> Snake__ do you know of  doc or wiki that can explain how to setup a commande (script) to run before gdm starts?
[10:20] <Snake__> theball: hmmm no not off hand
[10:20] <supernix> hmm this is what I got
[10:20] <supernix> http://kftpgrabber.sourceforge.net/downloads.php
[10:21] <theball> i have to do a res change for this 855 chipset prior to x starting
[10:21] <supernix> crap that aint it
[10:21] <supernix> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[10:21] <Snake__> !xincludes
[10:21] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[10:21] <Snake__> supernix: follow that
[10:21] <kkathman> theball:  put it in inittab maybe?
[10:21] <supernix> ah kewl thanks
[10:21] <theball> brb customer
[10:22] <kkathman> theball: or stage your script in the rc.3 bootup
[10:22] <Psi-Jack> kdesu, it uses PAM to authenticate a user, does it not?
[10:23] <theball> i dont know how to do that
[10:24] <kkathman> theball:  you know how to write the script yes?
[10:24] <theball> no
[10:24] <theball> this is what has to be run from command line: sudo 855resolution 5a 1280 768
[10:25] <theball> were can i learn this task
[10:26] <bam_> anyone know if gimp can take a screenshot?
[10:26] <kkathman> well create your task, then put it either in /etc/inittab  or in the boot thread in the /etc/rc3.d directory
[10:26] <kkathman> bam_: dont know why it cant
[10:26] <bam_> how?
[10:26] <bam_> where is the "tool"
[10:27] <Snake__> supernix: my complie wasn't sucessful. I hope you have more luck
[10:27] <theball> kkathman: looking at inittab now, thanks for the starting point!
[10:28] <bam_> or even better where is the kde themes files located...:)
[10:29] <Snake__> bam_: gimp can take screenshots
[10:29] <kkathman> theball np
[10:29] <zyn> theball: you should install the 855resolution package from universe
[10:29] <supernix> ok now I got this
[10:29] <Snake__> bam_: go to file, then go to aquire, then screenshot
[10:29] <supernix> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[10:29] <supernix> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[10:29] <Snake__> !qt
[10:29] <ubotu> Qt is the Q-toolkit. Qt is to KDE what GTK is to GNOME. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package
[10:29] <bam_> cool
[10:29] <theball> kkathaman: if i drop the command into inittab save and reboot is should run this on boot?
[10:29] <bam_> thanks
[10:29] <Snake__> supernix: thats to you
[10:29] <supernix> Not sure what that means though
[10:29] <Snake__> !qt
[10:30] <zyn> theball: all you have to do is put the mode # and resolutions in /etc/default/855resolution, and it'll happen everytime you boot
[10:30] <supernix> me what ?
[10:30] <Snake__> one sec
[10:30] <Snake__> supernix: here
[10:30] <Snake__> !qt
[10:30] <ubotu> Qt is the Q-toolkit. Qt is to KDE what GTK is to GNOME. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package
[10:30] <supernix> ah I know what qt is
[10:30] <theball> it is installed, for some reson i have to run the command after exiting from gdm, then restart gdm and viola.
[10:30] <supernix> does this mean that I have to download QT and install ?
[10:30] <Snake__> supernix: repos have it
[10:30] <supernix> I was just under the impression that it was automatically installed with KDE
[10:31] <Snake__> supernix: not the dev files
[10:31] <Snake__> (the ones for complieing)
[10:31] <theball> zyn: i had not heard that one, ill look at it. thank you.
[10:31] <supernix> hmm ok so what dev files should I get ?
[10:31] <Snake__> supernix: it just told you
[10:32] <Snake__> libqt3-mt-dev
[10:32] <zyn> theball: not a problem... i do it on my laptop to automatically set the 1280x800 resolution... works like a charm :)
[10:32] <supernix> ok sorry missed that
[10:32] <Snake__> yep :)
[10:32] <bam_> bbt
[10:32] <bam_> :)
[10:32] <theball> do i have to set anything special in xorg?
[10:33] <zyn> theball: no, just configure it to use 1280x768 (or whatever resolution it is that you want)
[10:34] <Snake__> supernix: did that do it?
[10:35] <vvatsa> hey all, any one using dapper ?
[10:37] <supernix> Snake__: sadly to say no
[10:37] <supernix> now it gives some error about checking my prefix whatever that meant
[10:37] <supernix> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[10:37] <supernix> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[10:37] <supernix> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[10:38] <supernix> er grr seems like I can't do anything right with this thing
[10:38] <Snake__> supernix: arghhh I hate complieing
[10:38] <Snake__> supernix: its not you, its that kubuntu doesnt come withany crap to complie
[10:38] <supernix> Snake__:  that makes two of us
[10:38] <Snake__> !kdeheaders
[10:38] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Snake__
[10:38] <Snake__> Hmmmm
[10:38] <raingrove> is Kubuntu 6.10 gonna use "human" theme & color scheme?
[10:38] <robotgeek> supernix: what are you trying to compile
[10:38] <robotgeek> raingrove: nope
[10:38] <Snake__> raingrove: I hope not.
[10:38] <raingrove> why not
[10:38] <supernix> I am trying to compile kftpgrabber
[10:38] <Snake__> raingrove: its going to use plasma I believe
[10:39] <raingrove> kubuntu looks the same as other kde distros
[10:39] <kkathman> raingrove: thats kinda the point :)
[10:39] <kkathman> its KDE :)
[10:39] <raingrove> plasma is kde4 right? we wont see it even before windows vista
[10:39] <robotgeek> supernix: konqueror works fine for me, you might want kde-devel
[10:39] <netsurf3> i have a really strange problem: i have just installed the system. configuring the printer when i have noticed that the test print is still going on it has literaly taken 1 hour to do 1/3 of a side with 53% cpu idel and 512mb of ram
[10:39] <raingrove> hi kkathman.
[10:39] <kkathman> raingrove: betcha my wallet we do
[10:39] <Snake__> Hehe
[10:40] <raingrove> but
[10:40] <supernix> hmmm robotgeek does it auto change the mode for ASCII and binary during transfers ?
[10:40] <raingrove> kubuntu kinda doesnt have the "ubuntu"-ish feeling
[10:40] <Snake__> raingrove: just because its based on ubuntu doesnt mean it has to
[10:40] <robotgeek> supernix: i think so, i havent had any problems with it
[10:40] <Snake__> raingrove: KDE is versital enough to set up your own theme.
[10:41] <Snake__> raingrove: I personally HATE the human color skeem, brown is so ugly......
[10:41] <raingrove> kubuntu 5.10's default theme was awful
[10:41] <aeon17x> You're free to choose.
[10:41] <Snake__> raingrove: then edit it. my KDE is beautiful
[10:41] <Snake__> raingrove: would you like a screenshot?
[10:41] <robotgeek> supernix: it's very readable :)
[10:41] <raingrove> nah
[10:42] <raingrove> it's nothing different from kde's default theme, where as SUSE's or Mandrake's default kde themes are unique
[10:42] <Snake__> raingrove: KDE has enought customizablity that you could set the task bar to be gray, add a bar on top, make it so that you can open files from the upper bar, and make it a gnome look-a-like if you want to...
[10:42] <Snake__> not gray...brown
[10:42] <Snake__> oops
[10:42] <robotgeek> Snake__: i would have shown you a screenshot, but right now my icons suck
[10:44] <raingrove> this is mine:
[10:44] <raingrove> http://www.comp.nus.edu.sg/~kimjihoo/screenshot3.png
[10:44] <raingrove> :P
[10:44] <raingrove> not kubuntu though
[10:44] <netsurf3> i have a really strange problem: i have just installed the system (kubuntu latest). configuring the printer when i have noticed that the test print is still going on it has literaly taken 1 hour to do 1/3 of a side with 53% cpu idel and 512mb of ram
[10:44] <robotgeek> netsurf3: latest, as in breezy/dapper?
[10:44] <raingrove> seriously i am not talking about customizability, everyone knows about it. i am talking about the default theme.
[10:44] <netsurf3> breezy
[10:45] <robotgeek> http://robotgeek.no-ip.info/screenshot-2.png is my showoff
[10:46] <Snake__> robotgeek: what res do u run at?
[10:46] <robotgeek> Snake__: umm, lemme check
[10:46] <Snake__> It seems high
[10:46] <raingrove> 1280
[10:46] <raingrove> NO
[10:46] <raingrove> 1024
[10:46] <raingrove> only 1024
[10:47] <robotgeek> 1024x768 pixels 92x92 dpi
[10:47] <Snake__> Hmm weird
[10:47] <Snake__> Seems bigger than 1024
[10:48] <ryanakca> hmmm... how do you change the resolution of the login manager and the splash screen?
[10:48] <Snake__> raingrove: heres mine
[10:48] <Snake__> http://www.hardcoreware.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16443&stc=1&d=1134381722
[10:48] <Snake__> Oh whoops! LOL
[10:49] <raingrove> what the
[10:49] <Snake__> raingrove: try this
[10:49] <Snake__> :)
[10:49] <Snake__> http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6357/sweet23dr.jpg
[10:49] <raingrove> windows 3.1 was good
[10:49] <raingrove> really
[10:50] <Snake__> raingrove: well thats my old one anyway, I dont have a SS of my most recent set up
[10:50] <raingrove> Snake__, oh man what's wrong with ur colour scheme
[10:51] <robotgeek> uggh, hurts my eyes!
[10:51] <robotgeek> http://robotgeek.no-ip.info/screenshot-3.png is what i have right now
[10:52] <robotgeek> maybe we should go to -offtopic with this convo
[10:52] <Snake__> Yea
[10:52] <Snake__> robotgeek: mine rocks.
[10:52] <robotgeek> netsurf3: hmm, with breezy
[10:52] <robotgeek> netsurf3: i am not really good (or have any idea ) with printers, sorry
[10:52] <raingrove> http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6357/sweet23dr.jpg
[10:52] <raingrove> oops
[10:53] <Snake__> lol
[10:53] <raingrove> no
[10:53] <raingrove> not that
[10:53] <raingrove> http://youtube.com/watch?v=0aFoAC-GTQg&search=steve%20ballmer
[10:53] <raingrove> watch this
[10:53] <Snake__> Seen it 100 times
[10:54] <netsurf3> robotgeek bugger :(
[10:54] <robotgeek> netsurf3: sorry mate, got distracted with all this "show off my desktop talk"
[10:54] <Snake__> Hehe
[10:54] <netsurf3> hwhwh
[10:55] <netsurf3> *hehe
[10:55] <netsurf3> i normaly use suse but thought i would try kubuntu
[10:55] <netsurf3> doesnt feel anywhere near as easy to use as suse
[10:55] <netsurf3> :(
[10:55] <Snake__> I g2g raingrove stick around, when i come back ill show you my most recent pic
[10:56] <raingrove> seeya
[10:59] <netsurf3> robotgeek: it just finished printing lol
[11:00] <ryanakca> hmmm... how do you change the resolution of the login manager and the splash screen in kubuntu breezy?
[11:03] <malte> anyone here running dapper?
[11:03] <robotgeek> yes malte
[11:05] <Ashex> correct me if I'm mistaken
[11:05] <Ashex> but the process for installing ubuntu is the same for kubuntu?
[11:06] <robotgeek> Ashex: yes
[11:06] <Ashex> ok
[11:07] <thompa> Im not usre why accessing the web is slow, both firefox and konqueror take about 30 seconds to load a site
[11:07] <luisito> why I get this error when compiling?: compiler cannot create executables
[11:08] <thompa> my dsl report says my connection is 800k download, xfce is a liittle faster
[11:08] <Psi-Jack> Grrr.
[11:08] <Psi-Jack> Dangit. I'm really annoyed with that.
[11:08] <zblach> hi. my keyboard is setup in utf-8 mode. how can i revert it?
[11:09] <Psi-Jack> I set my fonts up, and X crashes, and I have to bring it down safely using the SysRq method, and reboot. NOW fontconfig seems to PROPERLY kick in, and all my fonts are /huge/. LOL
[11:09] <malte> robotgeek: how's that working out for ya? :)
[11:09] <luisito> please help
[11:10] <luisito> why I get this error when compiling?: compiler cannot create executables
[11:10] <robotgeek> malte: just great!
[11:10] <supernix> I think compiling sucks
[11:10] <robotgeek> luisito: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:11] <ryanakca> how do you change the resolution of the login manager and the splash screen in kubuntu breezy?
[11:12] <luisito> robotgeek: thank you
[11:13] <Psi-Jack> ryanakca: Hmmm. To do that you would need to adjust X's resolution itself. The default, at least.
[11:13] <Psi-Jack> ryanakca: And then, if you WANTED a different resolution as a particular user, you'd use the Control Center to set the desired resolution for that user.
[11:14] <ryanakca> ok.. X's resolution... XF86Config.something methinks... right?
[11:14] <luisito> robotgeek: now I get: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[11:14] <Psi-Jack> It's /etc/X11/xorg.conf actually. Kubuntu uses Xorg.
[11:14] <robotgeek> !xincludes
[11:14] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[11:15] <luisito> ok thans again
[11:15] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell luisito about compile
[11:15] <Psi-Jack> ryanakca: Remember, set the default resolution, if you want resolution switching capabilities that KDE can make use of.
[11:15] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[11:16] <Psi-Jack> WHat the hell is wrong with kdesu? :/
[11:16] <Psi-Jack> I try to load up something that uses kdesu, and it gives me: Conversation with su failed.
[11:17] <luisito> robotgeek: Thank you. I really need that info. :)
[11:17] <zZz_Yeah> is the kubuntu.org breezy/main packages site down
[11:17] <Psi-Jack> I can sudo just fine, but nooooo, not kdesu.. Heh
[11:17] <Psi-Jack> Umm, hmm, maybe.. Not.. :/
[11:19] <ryanakca> can I use this command to change X server's default resolution?: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[11:20] <Psi-Jack> That, I don't know. heh
[11:23] <ufo> does someone know howto compile sources from cvs
[11:24] <jarlath> Is there a benefit in upgrading from the 386 kernel to the 686? I did it on my last install and didnt really notice a performance boost.
[11:49] <ace> for the rest i think it's not such a big deal
[11:51] <Psi-Jack> Okay. I'm successfully annoyed.
[11:52] <zblach> why?
[11:52] <Psi-Jack> I installed ONE font package, and now my whole font stuff is wierded out.
[11:54] <zblach> lol
[11:55] <zblach> ever played that game? with the cups, the barbequeue sticks and the marbles?
[11:55] <zblach> every time you pull or tweak a stick, there's a chance you'll lose all your marbles?
[11:55] <zblach> thats linux
[11:56] <luka74> Psi-Jack: on Dapper or Breezy? There is a known bug with bold fonts in recent dapper....
[11:56] <Psi-Jack> heh
[11:56] <Psi-Jack> Breezy
[11:56] <luka74> kde 3.5.1?
[11:56] <Psi-Jack> http://www.furreville.net/~psi-jack/kde-bigfont.png
[11:56] <Psi-Jack> Yes
[11:56] <trappist> oh
[11:56] <luka74> (maybe is not dapper, but kde 3.5.1 specific)
[11:56] <trappist> that maybe explains my problem
[11:56] <Psi-Jack> luka74: It happened before on KDE 3.4.x too, last time I installed Kubuntu. :p
[11:57] <trappist> I thought is was just because I installed a zillion fonts and did a poor job of choosing which to use
[11:58] <Psi-Jack> I manually re-adjusted the fonts in KDE itself, but it's the OTHER programs, like Adept, that's still being screwed. :/
[11:58] <Psi-Jack> As that screenshot demonstrates.
[11:59] <Psi-Jack> trappist: I think it's actually kubuntu's proper use of fontconfig, really..
[11:59] <Psi-Jack> Err.
[11:59] <Psi-Jack> IMProper.
[12:02] <trappist> Psi-Jack: there does seem to be a lot of activity going on in that area, according to the blogs.  supposed to be great for performance, but apparently not so great for appearance.
[12:02] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[12:03] <Psi-Jack> fontconfig is great, when utilized /correctly/, actually.