[12:11] *grumble* [12:11] why can't launchpad just send its mails from malone-deamon@launchpad.net === HiddenWolf messes with mail filters some more [12:12] HiddenWolf, rather than as the person? [12:12] Subject: xserver-xgl_7.0.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW [12:13] Burgwork: now I have to do a filter like "IF not from $list-of-bugzilla-emails AND subject is [Bug $something" [12:13] HiddenWolf, I filed a bug on the stupid email behaviour [12:13] HiddenWolf, filter on headers.... [12:13] Every malone mail has malone headers... [12:13] Seveas: got a point there. [12:13] mjg59: you rock [12:13] which is quite useful [12:14] mjg59: murphy's law that you upload them when I probably won't have time to test for a week, but you rock still. :) [12:14] mjg59, you're insane too by the way for doing it this quick :) [12:14] thanks! [12:14] This will make quite a few people switch to dapper for testing... === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] Seveas: shush, if it helps shut up the noobs, that's cool. [12:15] Seveas: switch to dapper, rather than gentoo. Looks good to me. :) [12:15] :D [12:15] mjg59, once it gets through new and is test installed, you should send something out via -devel-announce === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Loevborg [n=loevborg@d7-122.dip.axsp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@p54897FA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === salim [n=salim@ANantes-154-1-90-135.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-66-246.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-34-184.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@C1480153.wl148.flinders.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] ajmitch_ bug 6509 [12:32] malone bug 6509 in avahi "Daemon fails to refresh network services after connecting to wlan" [Normal,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/6509 [12:36] ok === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bj_ [n=bj@ool-4352a839.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] what was the default postfix config for breezy - does anyone know? [12:51] elmo: Other than "not installed", you mean? [12:51] really? ok, so this must be a hoary box [12:51] what was the default postfix config for hoary - does anyone know? [12:51] :P [12:52] Listening only on localhost, local and remote delivery... [12:52] hmm, ok, so this box being in 'noconfig' state is unusal [12:53] and I suppose bombing out when even 'lo' is not configured/present isn't entirely unreasonable [12:55] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [12:55] ps auxfw no longer works in dapper?! [12:55] Works here... [12:56] elmo: If you can shove xserver-xgl through NEW, billions of forum users are going to shut up and leave me alone === stratus [n=stratus@201008041158.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] mjg59: COO's laptop trumps xgl [12:56] elmo: Damnit. [12:57] haha [12:57] elmo: I bet Mark would disagree :p [12:57] infinity: cough, don't mind me [12:58] so, hum, at refuses to configure if at is already running - is that reasonable? [12:59] elmo, how did you create a system where postfix is unconfigured, at is running but not configured and ps auxfw does not work? :) [12:59] elmo: ... Really? I see no such evil in the postinst... === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] infinity: it runs /etc/init.d/atd start, that breaks if atd is running [01:00] Oh, yes, it does do invoke-rc.d atd start [01:00] Which it should. [01:00] So the real problem is that the init script should exit 0 when starting if it's started already... === infinity fixes that right now. [01:01] yikes dapper is very mouse-overy [01:02] Somehow I think Ubuntu is going in the completely wrong direction... [01:02] Accepted twisted-words 0.3.0-2ubuntu1 (source) [01:02] and very dark [01:02] why is the screen so dark [01:02] Seveas: why is that bad? [01:02] ajmitch_, How is accepting twisted words good? [01:03] (sorry if the 1am humor does not come out right? [01:03] s/\?/)/ [01:03] have you not met some of the developers? very twisted indeed [01:03] elmo: On battery? The defaults for backlight scaling seem a bit off. [01:03] nah, it's plugged in === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] Well, could still be the same thing. :) [01:04] the brightness controls work, so it's trivial to fix, just seems a bad default [01:04] Yeah. [01:06] ok, the magic appearing cog wheels thing is teh ugly [01:06] "Appearing cog wheels thing"? [01:07] at the gdm login screen, Options in the bottom left is strangely indented to the right [01:07] 'cos when you mouse over, a red set of cog wheels appearsnext to it === stu1 [n=stub@gb.ja.98.105.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] elmo: at init script bug(s) fixed. Thanks for the heads up. [01:14] infinity: cheers === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] doko: btw, why is it C+R? if it's just file-overwrite it should only be R? === infinity really thinks --oknodo should be the default to start-stop-daemon, since almost everyone wants it, but no one knows they do... [01:17] I've given up on expecting maintainers to read the s-s-d manpage, I think. :/ [01:17] elmo: hmm, correct. will change it for the next upload [01:23] ARGH I HATE THIS SOFTWARE [01:25] mjg59: care to vent your frustration? === floam guesses it might have something to do with xgl [01:27] Cocking thing has suddenly decided to build a different library [02:01] this one is really nasty ( bug 31429 ) [02:01] malone bug 31429 in udev "ethernet device name has been changed." [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/31429 === Alinux [n=Ubuntu@d83-176-16-100.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@ppp-69-215-0-178.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:14] if i want to test out kubuntu is the daily release or the 3rd flight cd better off testing? [02:14] o' dapper [02:15] Testing dailies is always appreciated. [02:16] alrite. will do === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chninkel1away [n=yann@alcyone.pleiades.fr.eu.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Alinux [n=Ubuntu@d83-176-16-100.cust.tele2.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pietrus [n=pietrus@c92583d3.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] Do the Daily builds of the LiveCDs have the new installer on them? === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel === honkzilla [n=honkman@svwr1-253.svtv.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:32] Bug, feature, or user bone-headedness: An SMC2632W (not V2 or 3) 802.11b wireless card does not work correctly with the orinoco_cs driver that is loaded by default. I have tried with and without the hermes module. eth1 is present, and iwconfig can read some information about the card, but cannot set anything other than essid, and the card never associates. [03:32] If anyone has some experience with such a card, I'd appreciate some guidance. [03:46] One of these days I need to go read wtf malone is === shaya [n=spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:01] wasabi: is the Ubuntu bug tracker. http://launchpad.net/malone/ === jvw [i=jeroen@220pc220.sshunet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sebest_ [n=sebest@86.71.122.17] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:40] rofl :) [04:40] (closes: Matthew Garrett's mouth). [04:40] haha [04:40] whats that in [04:40] mesa (6.4.1-0ubuntu3) changelog entry [04:40] haha [04:41] wobbly windows are fun. [04:42] I'm laughing at anyone, just at that entry :) [04:43] errr [04:43] +not [04:43] :P [04:48] lol at udev (079-0ubuntu12) changelog entry too :) [04:48] reading changelogs can be amusing sometimes ;) [04:48] right. so it's becoming important to me again [04:49] how do i draw alpha using gtk? [04:49] like if i want to make a gtkwindow with a background colour of (255,255,255,0.0) === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-159-91.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shaya [n=spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-156-94.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phlaegel [n=phlaegel@atdot.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Alinux [n=Ubuntu@d83-176-16-100.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-137-182.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vir [n=vir@ACC91766.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-208.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theball [n=shane@perseus.mpcu.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:39] hi [06:42] is anyone available for a few questions on dapper? === neuralis_ [n=krstic@hagen.kdb.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theball [n=shane@perseus.mpcu.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [06:48] Kamion, ping === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-146-136-159.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d58-104-19-27.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home3 [n=Christia@mut38-4-82-233-119-151.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dzonni [n=dzonni@ordi.ee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-136-159.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RobLevin [n=z@tor/session/x-59ecf073efcfd2e9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:45] -RobLevin:#ubuntu-devel- We are doing some upgrades you might want to type /server irc.freenode.net to the newer servers. Thanks. === tepsipakki [n=tjaalton@replicant.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@210.213.82.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.253.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] morning all [08:43] good morning === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:46] hey HiddenWolf , are you running xgl already? :) [08:46] sivang: waiting for mjg59's crack to get past new. :) [08:47] sivang: I should really be writing a business plan and preparing a statistics examination, but well... :) === carlos [n=carlos@84.76.255.40] has joined #ubuntu-devel === [gijoework] [n=[gijoe] @cacher6.ericsson.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xof [n=mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === winkle [i=winkle@kleopatra.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Traxer|off [i=traxer@shell6.powershells.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === torkel [i=torkel@69-188.umenet.t3.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@pD951DCD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] HiddenWolf: who wants to that that , anyways ? :) [09:09] HiddenWolf: ah, so it's already fixed and uploadeD? [09:09] sivang: mjg pasted the subject of his acceptance mail in the channel yesterday about 1am [09:10] sivang: and well, there are about three parties I could attend today and tomorrow, and a band playing. :) === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] sivang: murphy's. When the cool thing happens, you're otherwise occupied. :) [09:11] Hi [09:11] Good morning pitti === lemsto [n=salim@ANantes-154-1-90-135.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang hugs pitti [09:21] HiddenWolf: indeed :) [09:21] hi sivang [09:22] pitti: did you get my email regarding volume.disc.capacity namespace ? [09:23] infinity: yay new enigmail :) === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-137-140.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] pitti: there's an upstream fix in CVS, that adds this property. It would be very helpful to have ti fro HOmeUserBackup, seb128 also mentioned you might want to ask UVF excemption for the new hal when it hits debian? [09:26] sivang: uh, no, I didn't get it - where did you send it to? [09:26] pitti: martin.pitt@ubuntu.com [09:27] has anyone else been experiencing 9 floppy drivers when running breezy? === _mvo_ [n=egon@pD951DCD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] morning mvo [09:27] morning === cain_ [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] hey sivang [09:28] how is HUB coming along? [09:28] sivang: hm, odd, which subject? [09:28] pitti: can't recall :-/ [09:30] pitti:them email was asking if we could create a patch from the upstream CVS for it. [09:31] sivang: hm, I didn't get any mail [09:32] pitti: okay. nevermind. mind if I explain ? === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Alinux [n=Ubuntu@d83-176-16-100.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-182-181.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [n=chmj@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] sivang: ah, got it now [09:39] pitti: upstream fixed fd.o bug #2233, which is about adding disc capacity probing in the linux2 backend, if we could pull this update and incorporate it in our hal it would be great for HomeUserBackup, will allow me to do automatic slicing based on the inserted CD's capacity. Could we have this as a patch if you're not syncing the next hal from debian? [09:39] sivang: it was hanging around in the postfix queue [09:39] malone bug 2233 in gnomebaker "Gnomebaker blanking fail under breezy" [Normal,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/2233 [09:39] pitti: ah, cool :) [09:39] sivang: ah, I remember that bug [09:39] sivang: I had a similar problem with n-c-b [09:39] sivang: I hope that we can upgrade to 0.5.7 [09:39] sivang, try "freedesktop bug 2233" if you want to keep ubutu happy ;) [09:39] freedesktop bug 2233 in hald "Add capacity property for CD/DVD volumes" [Normal,New] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2233 [09:40] sivang: but if not, pulling that patch is easy [09:40] pitti: cool, even I could od it :) [09:40] pitti: when will we know if mdz approves it? [09:41] Seveas: fd.o is shorter to type :) [09:41] sivang: hal upstream is imported into bazaar.ubuntu.com, that's where I usually grab patches from :) [09:41] pitti: even cooler, that makes it even easier :) === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-137-140.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] pitti: even better when it builds everywhere. :) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:47] infinity: oh, if you need to upload another version, could you add the CVE number to the changelog? [09:47] pitti: It's in there. [09:47] pitti: The changelog includes the changelog entry from the breezy-security upload. [09:47] infinity: oh, ok, I didn't see it on d-changes [09:48] ok, I must have been blind then :) [09:48] Nah, I didn't get it in the .changes, you're not blind. :) [09:48] The .changes included everything > breezy-security [09:48] ok *phew* [09:49] maswan: care to take a look at ravel? Seems not to be ponging [09:51] guteb morgen pitti , guten morgen all! :) === pitti waves to Alinux === Alinux Alinux don't understands the meaning of the word :) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] looolz [09:53] 2 mal :) [09:56] Kyral: yes, but not widely advertised yet - that'll change over the next couple of days [09:56] mpt_: yes? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B30B6.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] hey dholbach [09:58] mjg59: it's kinda weird how much crap is in the xserver-xgl .diff.gz (like Makefile.in files) [09:58] hey pitti [09:58] hey dholbach [09:59] hey fabbione === dholbach hugs fabbione [09:59] Dear Desktop Team, please make gconf2 sucks less on amd64 [09:59] dholbach: :) [09:59] s/on amd64// [09:59] (but accepted anyway, looks fine) [10:00] so is novell actually shipping this? [10:01] Kamion, how's the Espresso GUI going? I'm wondering if it would be ok to change one of the mockups to help answer the oft-asked question "why wasn't I asked for the root password?" === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] mpt_: "in progress" [10:09] mpt_: feel free to change that mockup, yes; I haven't turned the Guadalinex UI into that screen yet [10:09] ok [10:09] although I do reserve the right not to copy the text verbatim :) [10:10] (if we get user-setup improvements upstream that deal with the root password thing, as we should do soon, then I'll prefer that text because we'll have translations of it [10:10] ) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:11] fair enough [10:14] mvo: oh just now saw your lines, I've almost finished the backend stuff (now working on the BackupEngine class which is the last one) I have cool progress indication propogation using generators, and now waiting for our hal to report volume.disc.capacity, workarounding the fact dar would backup only from one source path at a time, writing the cd burning support and see how I translate to the GUI the incermental backup and restore features of dar === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] Lathiat: looks like they're shipping it. === spacey [n=herman@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:31] ? [10:31] morning [10:31] hi! [10:31] hi siretart === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-150-174.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] hi pitti [10:37] elmo: could you please sync dssi_0.9.1-2 from unstable? thanks === neuralis [n=krstic@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:44] seb128: you're aware that serpentine is uninstallable due to python-gst0.10 being in universe? [10:44] Mithrandir: yep, nothing I can do [10:45] I don't have promotion foo [10:45] seb128: is a main inclusion report needed or can we just promote? [10:45] just promote [10:45] source's not in main, though. Newer version? [10:45] which we cant apparently [10:45] Mithrandir, namechange due to version name in binary ... [10:46] ogra: we can't what? promote packages? [10:46] yes [10:46] apparently . [10:46] why's that? [10:46] dunno ... [10:47] ogra: What problem are you specifically referring to? [10:47] we can, but it maight be in elmos hands or in soyuz teams hands and teakes time ... inputattach *was* promoted ... [10:47] dholbach, read above [10:47] dholbach, all CDs breake due to python-gst0.10 being not in main ... [10:47] grr, so we can't just prod Kamion for it? === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-12-23.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] Mithrandir, he'll point you to elmo, or soyuz or whomever ... [10:48] re [10:48] that's python-gst new version [10:48] that has been discussed yesterday, but I think Kamion doesn't have the runes for it neither [10:48] we need to ask elmo [10:49] yay, xserver-xgl built successfully :) [10:51] now we wait for mjg59 to gather more bugs than daniels ever did. ;) [10:54] xgl is go? === sivang can't wait to break his office station [10:55] how bad can it break? :) [10:55] that's not a such good idea to ship new cracks like that :p [10:55] seb128_: don't be a party breaker /me hugs seb128_ [10:55] people will flood the lists and launchpad of questions and bugs about them [10:55] :) [10:55] no, no hug [10:55] I'm not joking .... [10:55] seb128, it's a worse idea to let the random noob get it from some apt-get.org archive [10:56] seb128, at least this way you can have some influence on how they fuck up their systems. [10:56] when they get apt-get.org we can reject the bugs and say the list is not right place [10:56] ie: if you install broken stuff by yourself you take your responsability :) [10:56] seb128_, +++++++ from me [10:56] seb128_: maybe we can setup special lists and channels for that :) but seriously, you're probably right, it will cause some overhead, but then how otherwise the new crack will get stable and old ? [10:56] i agree its a really bad idea [10:57] dapper is not meant for new crack [10:57] we should focus on stabilize [10:57] oh right! "stable and boring" [10:57] stable is not really boring [10:57] it was just mark's words :) [10:57] I'm happy to have a stable box [10:57] in a joke, ofcourse [10:57] rather than a fun box crashing every 5 min [10:57] and 3 years of bugreports for broken crack we cant fix are no fun either [10:58] seb128_: right , that is a good point. [10:58] it's in universe, relax [10:58] obviously [10:58] dholbach: I'm somewhat happy we ship it, some crack addict will want to try it :) [10:58] dholbach, as the 2.6.11 kernel snapshot was ... (yes i know it appeared like an update there... but still) [10:58] but people start abusing ubuntu-devel list about it [10:58] so maybe we can tell people that u-d ML is not right place for universe stuff, but u-m is possibly better, will that solve that? [10:59] sivang, does it matter which ML you spam with it ? [10:59] people don't listen when you say that [10:59] the u-d mailing list is not the right place for bugs [10:59] it produces noise *anywhere* [10:59] it's a madhouse at the moment [11:00] anyway that's the same issue than backport === ogra slaps his fingers that he couldnt resist to reply to the totem thread ... [11:00] we have a class of users which just want to try everything new and who complains 2 days after the stuff are here if it's not packaged === ogra thinks gaim 2.0 ... [11:00] on what list? [11:01] totem? [11:01] yes... u-d [11:01] yesterday ... [11:01] seb128_: what would you think would be a better approach? not provide even through universE? wait for it to stabilize? [11:01] sivang: ship stuff when they are ready to be used [11:01] Kamion, dapper yesterday build. I choose Portuguese via F2 in the first splash screen and I proceed with installation. At a certain point I'm forced to choose I guess Brazilian Cities, in timezone configuration. [11:01] sivang, not for a 3 year frozen release [11:01] doko: you broke gnome-python!! [11:02] Kamion, and that does not happen pressing enter and then choosing the language. Is this expected ? [11:02] yoou can do that with a normal release ... and make a VERY BIG POINTER TO USE AT YOU OWN RISK === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] WaterSevenUb: file a bug report on debian-installer with full directions on how to reproduce the bug please [11:02] kamion, ok [11:02] Portuguese is an awkward case === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] arf, the ia64 build of xgl is still pending [11:05] is floe so much slower? === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] maybe a question for #launchpad [11:06] if you have a buildd issue === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] but I would suggest to have a bit of patience [11:07] seb128: no issue, just impatient ;) === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] tepsipakki: please express your impatience somewhere else so :p [11:08] that's not the place [11:09] ok, sorry :) === Huahua [n=hua@222.50.182.120] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === towolf [n=opera@N0b3a.n.pppool.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === towolf [n=opera@N0b3a.n.pppool.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === sd-tux [n=sd@2001:4ca0:0:fe00:0:0:a96:3f18] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:25] Kamion: The orig.tar.gz is the CVS [11:25] Kamion: It needed some heavy re-autotooling [11:27] Kamion, #31477, hope it's clear. [11:31] Kamion: wiki updated. === sjoerd [i=sjoerd@tunnel3460.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:34] mjg59: it's known that the just-built xserver-xorg tries to access a non-existing dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/xgl/libxglx.so ? [11:34] xserver-xorg? === lixus [n=lixuss@lixus.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:34] mjg59: uh.. xserver-xgl [11:34] Treenaks: The wacom-tools build is nasty and I don't understand it. I'll look again later on. [11:34] Treenaks: What version? [11:35] mjg59: 7.0.0-0ubuntu1 [11:35] hello, is this the correct channel to ask questions about http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/dapper-install-powerpc.OVERSIZED ? [11:35] when I built it myself it sort-of worked (though compiz broke with "GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing"); autobuild of the same package seems broken [11:36] lixus, its to big for the iso size ... thus the OVERZIZED file ... [11:36] Treenaks: Now that's odd. I uploaded 7.0.0-0ubuntu2 (and have the .uploaded file to prove it), but it seems to have vanished [11:36] ogra, thanks. that explains why i got read errors during install [11:37] lixus, for the install isos its helpful to have a look at report.html ... if thats empty for powerpc, its more likely to work ... [11:37] eaten by the launchpad [11:37] mjg59, is it NEW ? [11:38] btw the "current" link in the URL makes not much sense as it got re-linked while i was downloading overnight and therefore i ended up in broken iso [11:38] ogra: it was [11:38] ogra: I uploaded a version that went into NEW. I then uploaded another version. [11:38] mjg59, did it get processed in the NEW queue ? [11:39] note that we have some other stuff sitting there as well [11:39] ogra, will it work to burn that oversized iso to a DVD ? or are there differences between DVD ISOs and cdrom ISOs ? [11:39] ogra: There wouldn't be any versions built otherwise [11:39] mjg59, binary NEW :) [11:39] mjg59: did you upload the second version before NEW was processed? [11:39] Treenaks: Yes [11:39] I believe [11:39] maybe that's the bug === Jozo [i=jozo@nelli.ikonia.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:40] lixus, thats really a matter of luck ... i saw some that worked from DVD ... i guess it depends on the amount of oversizedness ... === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:45] mjg59: fair enough [11:46] lixus: burning to DVD should be just fine [11:46] I don't think it's a matter of luck unless we manage to oversize things by about 4GB [11:47] Kamion & ogra thanks, i'll try with a DVD. === sd-tux [n=sd@2001:4ca0:0:fe00:0:0:a96:3f18] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [11:47] yeah it might be additional breakage i was hit by ... [11:48] mjg59: so you're re-uploading 0ubuntu2? or are you fixing more stuff and skipping to 0ubuntu3? [11:48] Treenaks: I've just re-uploaded 0ubuntu2, because Launchpad dropped it on the floor [11:48] go launchpad! [11:48] Treenaks: hey, even NASA can't get them up all the time. [11:49] HiddenWolf: that's because NASA is populated with old men :P === r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mammadori [n=marco@host176-107.pool879.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jpatrick [n=patrick@33.Red-81-44-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] Kinnison, mjg59, do you also think that we should set the defaults for "on battery" and "on ac" to "never" in g-p-m ? on battery is currently set to 20min and causes some surprises for user that arent aware of the switch to g-p-m [12:07] what defaults would you suggest? [12:07] never [12:07] if a user wants to tweak it, he can ... [12:07] ogra++ [12:07] mvo: ping [12:07] hi all, I would like to help ('cause of master thesis in IT engineering) in development of the LiveCD, where I could start watching devel tools, sources and coordination? [12:07] you mean 'never' for the autosuspend? [12:07] mvo: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/gnome-app-install.diff [12:07] but if you get switched over silently it doesnt just suspend [12:07] ogra: or for some other config? [12:07] mvo: quite a broken clean rule that package has [12:08] Kinnison, look at the power preferences === Kinnison is mid dist-upgrade or he would [12:08] I got upstream to accept our use-case for lock-only btw [12:08] there are sliders for "on ac power" (thats "never" by default) and for "on battery" thats "20 min" by default [12:08] cool :) [12:09] ogra: right, so you're talking about the autosuspend on inactivity [12:09] ogra: yeah, i think the default for on-battery should be 'never' [12:09] yup [12:09] oki ... setting that ... [12:09] You're preparing another g-p-m upload? [12:10] you can do it if you want ... the settings are in data/gnome-power-manager.schemas.in [12:10] also what do we do about notifications ? [12:10] I was thinking about that one [12:10] I think having a "show notifications" option which defaults to 'on' would be nice === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-150-174.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] there is one for "fully_charged" (which makes sense imho) and one for "ac_unplugged" (which doesnt imho) [12:11] I found the ac_unplugged one useful just yesterday [12:11] since i *know* i just umplugged the power [12:11] rob tripped over my power cable and unplugged it from the power brick [12:11] it helps on power outeages indeed :P [12:11] and since I have the brightness set the same on both, I noticed [12:11] only because I had the notification [12:12] Kinnison, did you note silbs problem with brightness ? [12:12] The problem with putting a default for sleep on battery is that it won't work on all machines [12:12] ogra: which bug number is that? [12:12] mjg59: aye, so defaulting to never seems sane [12:12] Also: [12:12] ot was set to 7% or something after the upgarde .... being on ac [12:12] Kinnison, no idea if there is a bug number [12:12] Doing anything that enables sleep should pop up a dialog saying that it's experimental and may not work [12:13] (Possibly with a "Go away and don't tell me again" box) [12:13] I think we need to indicate that it's potentially dangerous [12:13] I would like to help LiveCD development, any advices? [12:14] the live CD is built automatically from normal Ubuntu packages; there aren't many pieces that are specific to the live CCD [12:14] er, CD [12:15] this channel and the ubuntu-devel mailing list are good places to start out watching development === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] ogra: I certainly believe we should default the brightness to 100% in all cases too [12:16] Kamion: I would like to help on automatic tools, not on packaging or similar, initramfs, unionfs, squashfs, casper-cow and so on [12:16] Kinnison, hmm, it saves a lot of battery if you turn it lower on battery ... [12:17] i'd suggest 60% on battery and 100% on ac [12:17] (bad comma I wrote); so I would like to help in the many specific LiveCD areas [12:17] or 70% on battery [12:17] ogra: if that's easy to express in the default schema then cool [12:17] ogra: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331164 btw [12:17] gnome2 bug 331164 in gnome-power-manager "No facility to lock the screen on lid closure" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] [12:18] the schema has defaults for both ... [12:18] Kinnison, oh thats a duplicate [12:18] on the same topic, the screensaver still gets active right after resuming, which is a big annoyance === infinity rejoices at the "Lock Screen" option. [12:19] Kinnison, Bug 29881 [12:19] thats the older and original one ... [12:19] pitti: Due to clock skew, I assume, though some may see it as a feature anyway. [12:19] ogra: heh, ubugtu minds capitalization :) [12:19] Kinnison, silly Ubugtu bug 29881 [12:19] malone bug 29881 in gnome-screensaver "Closing the lid should lock the screen if locking is activated in gnome-screensaver" [Normal,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/29881 [12:20] infinity: well, real time indeed progressed half a day when I resume my laptop [12:20] pitti: Exactly. [12:20] Kinnison, ah, oh, yours is upstream :) [12:20] infinity: well, it should either lock the screen before going to sleep, or not get active at all [12:20] right now, it's just silly [12:20] ogra: aye :-) [12:20] haha [12:21] pitti: I'd be fine with activating/locking before sleeping. [12:21] Kinnison, look at the schemas file and dig for "LCD" [12:21] infinity: as a default, agreed, if it can be turned off easily [12:21] mammadori: generally the best approach is just to dive in on stuff that interests you; sending patches for existing bug reports is often a good place to start [12:21] s/place/way/ [12:21] pitti: And yeah, I see the point. If you don't want it to lock, we should have a way to tell the screensaver on resume "hey, I just came back from resume, ignore that 5 day clock skew"... [12:21] Kinnison, on ac: 7, on battery 3 [12:21] Kinnison, thats percent .... [12:22] infinity: right; I don't need my screen locked if I just keep my laptop in my room === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _mvo_ [n=egon@pD951DCD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] Kinnison, ah, see bug 31490, silbs just filed it [12:25]