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| LaserJock | anybody around? | 02:09 |
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| crimsun | about 2% around | 02:12 |
| LaserJock | hmm, you again ;-) | 02:13 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to figure out how to put a comment in a wiki page | 02:13 |
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| hyperactivecrond | im here | 02:19 |
| hyperactivecrond | laserjock: login w/ ur launchpad acct. | 02:19 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 02:20 |
| jsgotangco | cheerrss | 02:21 |
| LaserJock | I know how to edit a wiki page, I just want to be able to comment out a part of a wiki page | 02:21 |
| jsgotangco | ## | 02:22 |
| LaserJock | ahh, I was trying just # | 02:23 |
| crimsun | just found that myself (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnProcessingInstructions) | 02:23 |
| LaserJock | doh, and I was on that page. I saw that # followed by a keyword was for processing so I thought it wasn't it. I didn't see the first bullet :( | 02:25 |
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| Madpilot | anyone here with ops on #ubuntu? | 04:00 |
| robotgeek | nope. | 04:00 |
| LaserJock | nope, I don't go over there much. I get a headache | 04:00 |
| LaserJock | Madpilot: is there a problem over there? ;-) | 04:02 |
| Madpilot | LaserJock: flooding | 04:02 |
| LaserJock | I see | 04:02 |
| robotgeek | i only have ops in #kubuntu | 04:03 |
| === LaserJock doesn't have ops in anything :( | ||
| Kyral | I'm kinda disappointed that I couldn't use a GPL Comptable license for my blog... | 04:21 |
| Kyral | I put it under CC-ShareAlike | 04:22 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: why can't you? | 04:26 |
| Kyral | CC-ShareAlike isn't GPL Compat | 04:26 |
| Kyral | Whats the Wiki under again? | 04:27 |
| Madpilot | Kyral: nobody's quite sure... :P | 04:28 |
| Kyral | lol | 04:28 |
| Madpilot | CC:PD is the current plan for "later" | 04:28 |
| Kyral | Well, for the time being, consider my stuff under the same license as my blog :P | 04:29 |
| Kyral | until a license is decided | 04:29 |
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| LaserJock | Kyral: what do you mean? you have no choice as to the license of your blog? | 04:47 |
| Kyral | No I meant that no GPL Compatible License really fits blogs | 04:47 |
| LaserJock | oh | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | I see. I really don't understand these licenses very well. All I know is that I'm pretty much forced to use GPL for the Packaging Guide | 04:49 |
| Kyral | GFDL? | 04:49 |
| LaserJock | no GPL | 04:50 |
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| LaserJock | basically all of the Debian packaging docs are GPL'd so for me to use material from DNMG or Debian Policy I sorta need to keep that. Also the Ubuntu Packaging Guide and the Ubuntu Developer's Reference need to be compatible and the UDR is going to be GPL | 04:52 |
| Kyral | ah | 04:52 |
| Kyral | Yah I would put my Blog under GPL...but for some reason the GPL doesn't seem to work for stuff like Blogs, at least IMO | 04:53 |
| LaserJock | well, I'm not sure why the Debian docs are GPL'd but I'm not sure that GFDL is DFSG compatible | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | we need one license to rule them all ;-) | 04:55 |
| Kyral | but it seems like the CC-by-Sa is like the GFDL | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 04:55 |
| Kyral | Which is what my blog is under | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | well, the doc team does a GFDL/CC-SA dual license | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | except for me | 04:56 |
| Kyral | I guess you could technically call the words "Source Code" for the English Language | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | well, it really doesn't make much sense for documentation, but I do wish that the GFDL was compatible with the GPL | 04:58 |
| Kyral | Personally I don't see why it isn't | 04:58 |
| Kyral | Frankly I think that its good that the DRM clause is in the GFDL | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | hmm, on the gnu site they say the Cc Attribution-Sharealike 2.0 license is not GFDL compatible | 05:03 |
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| Kyral | I am using the 2.5 ;P | 05:03 |
| LaserJock | i see, 2.0 and 2.5 are much different | 05:05 |
| Kyral | What does it say for the 2.5 (writing a new entry, can't be bothered to look :P) | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | doh, no, I was just looking at the dummary of 2.5 | 05:05 |
| Kyral | ah | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | *summary | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | there is a big issue with scientific software licenses, a lot of times we use some sort of academic license where it is free for non-commercial uses | 05:07 |
| crimsun | even that's not DFSG-free. | 05:09 |
| crimsun | [clause 1 of DFSG] | 05:10 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: that's what I'm saying. academic licensing is common for scientific apps but it is not DFSG compatible | 05:18 |
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| LaserJock | man, I really don't see any documentation licenses that are DFSG free | 05:28 |
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| jsgotangco | legalese can be frustrating | 06:18 |
| robotgeek | yeah | 06:19 |
| Madpilot | licenses are fun :P | 06:19 |
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| robotgeek | too much reading | 06:19 |
| Madpilot | that's why I like the CC licenses - the 'human readable' versions really are | 06:20 |
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| LaserJock | hi theCore | 06:51 |
| theCore | hello LaserJock | 06:52 |
| LaserJock | did you have something to send me? | 06:52 |
| theCore | not yet, I do some polishing | 06:52 |
| theCore | I'm trying to find good references | 06:53 |
| LaserJock | have you done anything for patch and diff? | 06:53 |
| theCore | just a quick overview | 06:53 |
| theCore | I think I will remove the `make' examples | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | theCore: np, I worked a little on the bugs section | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | theCore: I think that is a good idea, I thought you did a good job but we just don't have a lot of run to explain everything | 06:56 |
| theCore | yah, I think we should concentrate more on the `packaging' stuff | 06:57 |
| LaserJock | right, but at least giving the reader a place to go read more on important subjects is really a help | 06:58 |
| theCore | that why I'm searching for good references ;) | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | I've got to go, it's bed time. but if you find particularly good packaging references stick them on the Resources wiki page | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | good night | 07:01 |
| theCore | ciao | 07:01 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek_away, i got your patch i'll apply it now | 07:07 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek_away, done | 07:18 |
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| robotgeek | jsgotangco: thanks | 07:35 |
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| mdke | jsgotangco, gah | 08:23 |
| mdke | i've just noticed that I forgot to add the edubuntu Makefile yesterday | 08:24 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 08:24 |
| mdke | crap, it's in my working copy but I didn't svn add it | 08:24 |
| jsgotangco | i didnt notice it either i was busy on something else | 08:24 |
| jsgotangco | well we can trigger a build now so i can show something in the meeting later | 08:24 |
| mdke | i don't have the laptop that my W/C is on | 08:25 |
| mdke | i'll try and get to it in a few hours | 08:25 |
| mdke | if i do, i'll commit and do a build | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | thanks | 08:25 |
| mdke | sorry bout that | 08:25 |
| mdke | when is the meeting? | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | 12UTC | 08:26 |
| mdke | oh, i can't do it before then :( | 08:27 |
| robotgeek | that's like in another 5 hours | 08:27 |
| mdke | stupid | 08:27 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek, yes, if JaneW is willing heh | 08:27 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, its ok dude i'll just churn out something later | 08:27 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: is this a different meeting? | 08:27 |
| jsgotangco | im just dumping text at the moment | 08:27 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek, edubuntu | 08:27 |
| robotgeek | ah okay. i'll be in bed then :) | 08:28 |
| jsgotangco | i was waiting for the server to build, when i saw it didn't build i though you werent able to commit heh | 08:28 |
| robotgeek | ah, the doc team meeting is on 17th | 08:28 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek, where are you located anyway? | 08:29 |
| robotgeek | right now in TX - UTC - 6.00 | 08:29 |
| jsgotangco | ouch | 08:29 |
| robotgeek | i'm actually moving up north-east , so i'll be UTC - 5.00 from 18th onwards | 08:30 |
| jsgotangco | i thought you were somewhere nearer...hehehe | 08:31 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: i am from India, however | 08:31 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 08:32 |
| === mdke is not sure about these procedure tags | ||
| jsgotangco | jeff is right though | 08:34 |
| mdke | do we really want things displaying as "Procedure 1: blah" | 08:34 |
| mdke | ? | 08:34 |
| mdke | I think that having the word "Procedure #" in every small title is going to look bad | 08:34 |
| jsgotangco | well if its a step by step thing, i guess so | 08:34 |
| mdke | Procedure 57: Opening the Location Bar | 08:35 |
| mdke | Procedure 58: Shutting down GNOME | 08:35 |
| mdke | Procedure 59: Changing the Desktop Background | 08:35 |
| mdke | i think that would look terrible | 08:35 |
| jsgotangco | well | 08:36 |
| robotgeek | i tht that applied only to kde? | 08:36 |
| jsgotangco | that's where docbook fails | 08:36 |
| mdke | robotgeek, no, it applies if you use the <procedure> tag | 08:36 |
| robotgeek | i meant, it was a kde guideline? | 08:37 |
| jsgotangco | no that | 08:37 |
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| jsgotangco | no that's docbook | 08:37 |
| mdke | we don't _have_ to use certain tags if we think they look bad | 08:41 |
| mdke | there is nothing wrong with numbered or bulleted lists, I think | 08:42 |
| jsgotangco | unless we convert them to something else | 08:44 |
| mdke | what do you mean? | 08:44 |
| jsgotangco | like convert it to html or pdf | 08:44 |
| robotgeek | can't procedure be hacked to not display the number? | 08:44 |
| mdke | robotgeek, i don't know, i doubt it | 08:45 |
| jsgotangco | probably not with walsh scripts | 08:45 |
| mdke | in any case, we ship xml, so we're tied to the gnome stylesheets too | 08:45 |
| robotgeek | i think i'll spend my time on the flight reading about docbook | 08:45 |
| mdke | it's not the number that bothers me though | 08:46 |
| mdke | it's the word "procedure" everywhere | 08:47 |
| mdke | i'd rather the user know what the section is about | 08:47 |
| mdke | actually I suppose what will happen is that you'll get two titles, like this: | 08:48 |
| mdke | 1.3.4 World Wide Web | 08:48 |
| mdke | Procedure 1: Using Firefox | 08:48 |
| mdke | Procedure 2: Installing flash | 08:48 |
| mdke | etc | 08:48 |
| robotgeek | yeah, the word procedure sucks :) | 08:49 |
| jsgotangco | hardcore due | 08:50 |
| jsgotangco | dude | 08:50 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 08:50 |
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| mdke | -> work | 08:56 |
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| Madpilot | the Ubuntu DG? | 10:41 |
| Madpilot | we've got two 'desktop guides' now, remember :P | 10:42 |
| bhuvan | Madpilot, ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktopguide.xml | 10:42 |
| Madpilot | hmm... the whole thing works in Yelp Breezy for me - current svn | 10:43 |
| bhuvan | yep, yelp renders fine. but they are not valid xml files! | 10:44 |
| Madpilot | hmm... I just rely on Yelp to catch errors, TBH, I haven't ever bothered with the validation script thing | 10:46 |
| jsgotangco | dude the validation script should come first | 10:48 |
| jsgotangco | or else the html won't build | 10:48 |
| Madpilot | " ./validate.sh ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktopguide.xml" returns no complaints here | 10:51 |
| Madpilot | revision 2430 | 10:51 |
| bhuvan | yep, ./validate.sh ubuntu/desktopguide/C/preface.xml does not | 10:52 |
| bhuvan | seems it's not an issue.. | 10:52 |
| bhuvan | it was complaining about xref linkend | 10:52 |
| bhuvan | it gets solved when we run 'yelp desktopguide.xml' | 10:53 |
| Madpilot | does the validate script just work on the one file you feed it, or does it assemble the whole DocBook structure like Yelp does? | 10:53 |
| bhuvan | it assemble whole docbook structure | 10:53 |
| Madpilot | good to know | 10:53 |
| bhuvan | i was wrong assuming dg = sg | 10:53 |
| bhuvan | in sg, we would be able to validate individual files and master file (serverguide.xml) | 10:54 |
| bhuvan | but in dg, it is not so.. anyway everything works fine, forget it | 10:54 |
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| jjesse | mdke: ping | 10:34 |
| jjesse | mdke: working on getting the stylesheets updated on quickguide, etc on d.u.c | 10:35 |
| jjesse | mdke: this is what Riddell says 16:34] Riddell: jjesse: it needs mdke to put the kde bits in /stable on the server | 10:35 |
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