=== hyperactivecrond [n=chris@ppp-69-215-0-178.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-34-184.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@ppp-69-215-0-178.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@ppp-69-215-0-178.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:09] anybody around? [02:12] about 2% around [02:13] hmm, you again ;-) [02:13] I'm trying to figure out how to put a comment in a wiki page === bur[n] er_ [n=burner@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:19] im here [02:19] laserjock: login w/ ur launchpad acct. [02:20] yeah [02:21] cheerrss [02:21] I know how to edit a wiki page, I just want to be able to comment out a part of a wiki page [02:22] ## [02:23] ahh, I was trying just # [02:23] just found that myself (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnProcessingInstructions) [02:25] doh, and I was on that page. I saw that # followed by a keyword was for processing so I thought it wasn't it. I didn't see the first bullet :( === lambert [n=todd@c-24-125-47-253.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:00] anyone here with ops on #ubuntu? [04:00] nope. [04:00] nope, I don't go over there much. I get a headache [04:02] Madpilot: is there a problem over there? ;-) [04:02] LaserJock: flooding [04:02] I see [04:03] i only have ops in #kubuntu === LaserJock doesn't have ops in anything :( [04:21] I'm kinda disappointed that I couldn't use a GPL Comptable license for my blog... [04:22] I put it under CC-ShareAlike [04:26] Kyral: why can't you? [04:26] CC-ShareAlike isn't GPL Compat [04:27] Whats the Wiki under again? [04:28] Kyral: nobody's quite sure... :P [04:28] lol [04:28] CC:PD is the current plan for "later" [04:29] Well, for the time being, consider my stuff under the same license as my blog :P [04:29] until a license is decided === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:47] Kyral: what do you mean? you have no choice as to the license of your blog? [04:47] No I meant that no GPL Compatible License really fits blogs [04:48] oh [04:49] I see. I really don't understand these licenses very well. All I know is that I'm pretty much forced to use GPL for the Packaging Guide [04:49] GFDL? [04:50] no GPL === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-159-91.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:52] basically all of the Debian packaging docs are GPL'd so for me to use material from DNMG or Debian Policy I sorta need to keep that. Also the Ubuntu Packaging Guide and the Ubuntu Developer's Reference need to be compatible and the UDR is going to be GPL [04:52] ah [04:53] Yah I would put my Blog under GPL...but for some reason the GPL doesn't seem to work for stuff like Blogs, at least IMO [04:55] well, I'm not sure why the Debian docs are GPL'd but I'm not sure that GFDL is DFSG compatible [04:55] we need one license to rule them all ;-) [04:55] but it seems like the CC-by-Sa is like the GFDL [04:55] yeah [04:55] Which is what my blog is under [04:56] well, the doc team does a GFDL/CC-SA dual license [04:56] except for me [04:56] I guess you could technically call the words "Source Code" for the English Language [04:58] well, it really doesn't make much sense for documentation, but I do wish that the GFDL was compatible with the GPL [04:58] Personally I don't see why it isn't [05:01] Frankly I think that its good that the DRM clause is in the GFDL [05:03] hmm, on the gnu site they say the Cc Attribution-Sharealike 2.0 license is not GFDL compatible === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:03] I am using the 2.5 ;P [05:05] i see, 2.0 and 2.5 are much different [05:05] What does it say for the 2.5 (writing a new entry, can't be bothered to look :P) [05:05] doh, no, I was just looking at the dummary of 2.5 [05:05] ah [05:05] *summary [05:07] there is a big issue with scientific software licenses, a lot of times we use some sort of academic license where it is free for non-commercial uses [05:09] even that's not DFSG-free. [05:10] [clause 1 of DFSG] [05:18] crimsun: that's what I'm saying. academic licensing is common for scientific apps but it is not DFSG compatible === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-156-94.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:28] man, I really don't see any documentation licenses that are DFSG free === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp134-160.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alexandr@Toronto-HSE-ppp3778150.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp134-160.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:18] legalese can be frustrating [06:19] yeah [06:19] licenses are fun :P === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-137-182.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:19] too much reading [06:20] that's why I like the CC licenses - the 'human readable' versions really are === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:51] hi theCore [06:52] hello LaserJock [06:52] did you have something to send me? [06:52] not yet, I do some polishing [06:53] I'm trying to find good references [06:53] have you done anything for patch and diff? [06:53] just a quick overview [06:56] I think I will remove the `make' examples [06:56] theCore: np, I worked a little on the bugs section [06:56] theCore: I think that is a good idea, I thought you did a good job but we just don't have a lot of run to explain everything [06:57] yah, I think we should concentrate more on the `packaging' stuff [06:58] right, but at least giving the reader a place to go read more on important subjects is really a help [06:59] that why I'm searching for good references ;) [07:01] I've got to go, it's bed time. but if you find particularly good packaging references stick them on the Resources wiki page [07:01] good night [07:01] ciao [07:07] robotgeek_away, i got your patch i'll apply it now [07:18] robotgeek_away, done === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Liz [n=Liz@static-203-87-81-158.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:35] jsgotangco: thanks === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-137-182.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp134-160.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:23] jsgotangco, gah [08:24] i've just noticed that I forgot to add the edubuntu Makefile yesterday [08:24] :D [08:24] crap, it's in my working copy but I didn't svn add it [08:24] i didnt notice it either i was busy on something else [08:24] well we can trigger a build now so i can show something in the meeting later [08:25] i don't have the laptop that my W/C is on [08:25] i'll try and get to it in a few hours [08:25] if i do, i'll commit and do a build [08:25] thanks [08:25] sorry bout that [08:25] when is the meeting? [08:26] 12UTC [08:27] oh, i can't do it before then :( [08:27] that's like in another 5 hours [08:27] stupid [08:27] robotgeek, yes, if JaneW is willing heh [08:27] mdke, its ok dude i'll just churn out something later [08:27] jsgotangco: is this a different meeting? [08:27] im just dumping text at the moment [08:27] robotgeek, edubuntu [08:28] ah okay. i'll be in bed then :) [08:28] i was waiting for the server to build, when i saw it didn't build i though you werent able to commit heh [08:28] ah, the doc team meeting is on 17th [08:29] robotgeek, where are you located anyway? [08:29] right now in TX - UTC - 6.00 [08:29] ouch [08:30] i'm actually moving up north-east , so i'll be UTC - 5.00 from 18th onwards [08:31] i thought you were somewhere nearer...hehehe [08:31] jsgotangco: i am from India, however [08:32] yeah === mdke is not sure about these procedure tags [08:34] jeff is right though [08:34] do we really want things displaying as "Procedure 1: blah" [08:34] ? [08:34] I think that having the word "Procedure #" in every small title is going to look bad [08:34] well if its a step by step thing, i guess so [08:35] Procedure 57: Opening the Location Bar [08:35] Procedure 58: Shutting down GNOME [08:35] Procedure 59: Changing the Desktop Background [08:35] i think that would look terrible [08:36] well [08:36] i tht that applied only to kde? [08:36] that's where docbook fails [08:36] robotgeek, no, it applies if you use the tag [08:37] i meant, it was a kde guideline? [08:37] no that === robotgeek shuts up and reads [08:37] no that's docbook [08:41] we don't _have_ to use certain tags if we think they look bad [08:42] there is nothing wrong with numbered or bulleted lists, I think [08:44] unless we convert them to something else [08:44] what do you mean? [08:44] like convert it to html or pdf [08:44] can't procedure be hacked to not display the number? [08:45] robotgeek, i don't know, i doubt it [08:45] probably not with walsh scripts [08:45] in any case, we ship xml, so we're tied to the gnome stylesheets too [08:45] i think i'll spend my time on the flight reading about docbook [08:46] it's not the number that bothers me though [08:47] it's the word "procedure" everywhere [08:47] i'd rather the user know what the section is about [08:48] actually I suppose what will happen is that you'll get two titles, like this: [08:48] 1.3.4 World Wide Web [08:48] Procedure 1: Using Firefox [08:48] Procedure 2: Installing flash [08:48] etc [08:49] yeah, the word procedure sucks :) [08:50] hardcore due [08:50] dude [08:50] heh === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-152-47.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-152-47.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [08:56] -> work === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-137-140.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-137-140.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-182-181.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-137-140.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-150-174.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan is unable to validate current desktop guide [10:41] the Ubuntu DG? [10:42] we've got two 'desktop guides' now, remember :P [10:42] Madpilot, ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktopguide.xml [10:43] hmm... the whole thing works in Yelp Breezy for me - current svn [10:44] yep, yelp renders fine. but they are not valid xml files! [10:46] hmm... I just rely on Yelp to catch errors, TBH, I haven't ever bothered with the validation script thing [10:48] dude the validation script should come first [10:48] or else the html won't build [10:51] " ./validate.sh ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktopguide.xml" returns no complaints here [10:51] revision 2430 [10:52] yep, ./validate.sh ubuntu/desktopguide/C/preface.xml does not [10:52] seems it's not an issue.. [10:52] it was complaining about xref linkend [10:53] it gets solved when we run 'yelp desktopguide.xml' [10:53] does the validate script just work on the one file you feed it, or does it assemble the whole DocBook structure like Yelp does? 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