[02:09] <LaserJock> anybody around?
[02:12] <crimsun> about 2% around
[02:13] <LaserJock> hmm, you again ;-)
[02:13] <LaserJock> I'm trying to figure out how to put a comment in a wiki page
[02:19] <hyperactivecrond> im here
[02:19] <hyperactivecrond> laserjock: login w/ ur launchpad acct.
[02:20] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:21] <jsgotangco> cheerrss
[02:21] <LaserJock> I know how to edit a wiki page, I just want to be able to comment out a part of a wiki page
[02:22] <jsgotangco> ##
[02:23] <LaserJock> ahh, I was trying just #
[02:23] <crimsun> just found that myself (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnProcessingInstructions)
[02:25] <LaserJock> doh, and I was on that page. I saw that # followed by a keyword was for processing so I thought it wasn't it. I didn't see the first bullet :(
[04:00] <Madpilot> anyone here with ops on #ubuntu?
[04:00] <robotgeek> nope. 
[04:00] <LaserJock> nope, I don't go over there much. I get a headache
[04:02] <LaserJock> Madpilot: is there a problem over there? ;-)
[04:02] <Madpilot> LaserJock: flooding
[04:02] <LaserJock> I see
[04:03] <robotgeek> i only have ops in #kubuntu 
[04:21] <Kyral> I'm kinda disappointed that I couldn't use a GPL Comptable license for my blog...
[04:22] <Kyral> I put it under CC-ShareAlike
[04:26] <LaserJock> Kyral: why can't you?
[04:26] <Kyral> CC-ShareAlike isn't GPL Compat
[04:27] <Kyral> Whats the Wiki under again?
[04:28] <Madpilot> Kyral: nobody's quite sure... :P
[04:28] <Kyral> lol
[04:28] <Madpilot> CC:PD is the current plan for "later"
[04:29] <Kyral> Well, for the time being, consider my stuff under the same license as my blog :P
[04:29] <Kyral> until a license is decided
[04:47] <LaserJock> Kyral: what do you mean? you have no choice as to the license of your blog?
[04:47] <Kyral> No I meant that no GPL Compatible License really fits blogs
[04:48] <LaserJock> oh
[04:49] <LaserJock> I see. I really don't understand these licenses very well. All I know is that I'm pretty much forced to use GPL for the Packaging Guide
[04:49] <Kyral> GFDL?
[04:50] <LaserJock> no GPL
[04:52] <LaserJock> basically all of the Debian packaging docs are GPL'd so for me to use material from DNMG or Debian Policy I sorta need to keep that. Also the Ubuntu Packaging Guide and the Ubuntu Developer's Reference need to be compatible and the UDR is going to be GPL
[04:52] <Kyral> ah
[04:53] <Kyral> Yah I would put my Blog under GPL...but for some reason the GPL doesn't seem to work for stuff like Blogs, at least IMO
[04:55] <LaserJock> well, I'm not sure why the Debian docs are GPL'd but I'm not sure that GFDL is DFSG compatible
[04:55] <LaserJock> we need one license to rule them all ;-)
[04:55] <Kyral> but it seems like the CC-by-Sa is like the GFDL
[04:55] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:55] <Kyral> Which is what my blog is under
[04:56] <LaserJock> well, the doc team does a GFDL/CC-SA dual license
[04:56] <LaserJock> except for me
[04:56] <Kyral> I guess you could technically call the words "Source Code" for the English Language
[04:58] <LaserJock> well, it really doesn't make much sense for documentation, but I do wish that the GFDL was compatible with the GPL
[04:58] <Kyral> Personally I don't see why it isn't
[05:01] <Kyral> Frankly I think that its good that the DRM clause is in the GFDL
[05:03] <LaserJock> hmm, on the gnu site they say the Cc Attribution-Sharealike 2.0 license is not GFDL compatible
[05:03] <Kyral> I am using the 2.5 ;P
[05:05] <LaserJock> i see, 2.0 and 2.5 are much different
[05:05] <Kyral> What does it say for the 2.5 (writing a new entry, can't be bothered to look :P)
[05:05] <LaserJock> doh, no, I was just looking at the dummary of 2.5
[05:05] <Kyral> ah
[05:05] <LaserJock> *summary
[05:07] <LaserJock> there is a big issue with scientific software licenses, a lot of times we use some sort of academic license where it is free for non-commercial uses
[05:09] <crimsun> even that's not DFSG-free.
[05:10] <crimsun> [clause 1 of DFSG] 
[05:18] <LaserJock> crimsun: that's what I'm saying. academic licensing is common for scientific apps but it is not DFSG compatible
[05:28] <LaserJock> man, I really don't see any documentation licenses that are DFSG free
[06:18] <jsgotangco> legalese can be frustrating
[06:19] <robotgeek> yeah
[06:19] <Madpilot> licenses are fun :P
[06:19] <robotgeek> too much reading
[06:20] <Madpilot> that's why I like the CC licenses - the 'human readable' versions really are
[06:51] <LaserJock> hi theCore 
[06:52] <theCore> hello LaserJock 
[06:52] <LaserJock> did you have something to send me?
[06:52] <theCore> not yet, I do some polishing
[06:53] <theCore> I'm trying to find good references
[06:53] <LaserJock> have you done anything for patch and diff?
[06:53] <theCore> just a quick overview
[06:56] <theCore> I think I will remove the `make' examples
[06:56] <LaserJock> theCore: np, I worked a little on the bugs section
[06:56] <LaserJock> theCore: I think that is a good idea, I thought you did a good job but we just don't have a lot of run to explain everything
[06:57] <theCore> yah, I think we should concentrate more on the `packaging' stuff
[06:58] <LaserJock> right, but at least giving the reader a place to go read more on important subjects is really a help
[06:59] <theCore> that why I'm searching for good references ;)
[07:01] <LaserJock> I've got to go, it's bed time. but if you find particularly good packaging references stick them on the Resources wiki page
[07:01] <LaserJock> good night
[07:01] <theCore> ciao
[07:07] <jsgotangco> robotgeek_away, i got your patch i'll apply it now
[07:18] <jsgotangco> robotgeek_away, done
[07:35] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: thanks
[08:23] <mdke> jsgotangco, gah
[08:24] <mdke> i've just noticed that I forgot to add the edubuntu Makefile yesterday
[08:24] <jsgotangco> :D
[08:24] <mdke> crap, it's in my working copy but I didn't svn add it
[08:24] <jsgotangco> i didnt notice it either i was busy on something else
[08:24] <jsgotangco> well we can trigger a build now so i can show something in the meeting later
[08:25] <mdke> i don't have the laptop that my W/C is on
[08:25] <mdke> i'll try and get to it in a few hours
[08:25] <mdke> if i do, i'll commit and do a build
[08:25] <jsgotangco> thanks
[08:25] <mdke> sorry bout that
[08:25] <mdke> when is the meeting?
[08:26] <jsgotangco> 12UTC
[08:27] <mdke> oh, i can't do it before then :(
[08:27] <robotgeek> that's like in another 5 hours
[08:27] <mdke> stupid
[08:27] <jsgotangco> robotgeek, yes, if JaneW is willing heh
[08:27] <jsgotangco> mdke, its ok dude i'll just churn out something later
[08:27] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: is this a different meeting?
[08:27] <jsgotangco> im just dumping text at the moment
[08:27] <jsgotangco> robotgeek, edubuntu
[08:28] <robotgeek> ah okay. i'll be in bed then :)
[08:28] <jsgotangco> i was waiting for the server to build, when i saw it didn't build i though you werent able to commit heh
[08:28] <robotgeek> ah, the doc team meeting is on 17th
[08:29] <jsgotangco> robotgeek, where are you located anyway?
[08:29] <robotgeek> right now in TX - UTC - 6.00
[08:29] <jsgotangco> ouch
[08:30] <robotgeek> i'm actually moving up north-east , so i'll be UTC - 5.00 from 18th onwards
[08:31] <jsgotangco> i thought you were somewhere nearer...hehehe
[08:31] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: i am from India, however
[08:32] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:34] <jsgotangco> jeff is right though
[08:34] <mdke> do we really want things displaying as "Procedure 1: blah"
[08:34] <mdke> ?
[08:34] <mdke> I think that having the word "Procedure #" in every small title is going to look bad
[08:34] <jsgotangco> well if its a step by step thing, i guess so
[08:35] <mdke> Procedure 57: Opening the Location Bar
[08:35] <mdke> Procedure 58: Shutting down GNOME
[08:35] <mdke> Procedure 59: Changing the Desktop Background
[08:35] <mdke> i think that would look terrible
[08:36] <jsgotangco> well
[08:36] <robotgeek> i tht that applied only to kde?
[08:36] <jsgotangco> that's where docbook fails
[08:36] <mdke> robotgeek, no, it applies if you use the <procedure> tag
[08:37] <robotgeek> i meant, it was a kde guideline?
[08:37] <jsgotangco> no that
[08:37] <jsgotangco> no that's docbook
[08:41] <mdke> we don't _have_ to use certain tags if we think they look bad
[08:42] <mdke> there is nothing wrong with numbered or bulleted lists, I think
[08:44] <jsgotangco> unless we convert them to something else
[08:44] <mdke> what do you mean?
[08:44] <jsgotangco> like convert it to html or pdf
[08:44] <robotgeek> can't procedure be hacked to not display the number? 
[08:45] <mdke> robotgeek, i don't know, i doubt it
[08:45] <jsgotangco> probably not with walsh scripts
[08:45] <mdke> in any case, we ship xml, so we're tied to the gnome stylesheets too
[08:45] <robotgeek> i think i'll spend my time on the flight reading about docbook
[08:46] <mdke> it's not the number that bothers me though
[08:47] <mdke> it's the word "procedure" everywhere
[08:47] <mdke> i'd rather the user know what the section is about
[08:48] <mdke> actually I suppose what will happen is that you'll get two titles, like this:
[08:48] <mdke> 1.3.4 World Wide Web
[08:48] <mdke> Procedure 1: Using Firefox
[08:48] <mdke> Procedure 2: Installing flash
[08:48] <mdke> etc
[08:49] <robotgeek> yeah, the word procedure sucks :)
[08:50] <jsgotangco> hardcore due
[08:50] <jsgotangco> dude
[08:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:56] <mdke> -> work
[10:41] <Madpilot> the Ubuntu DG?
[10:42] <Madpilot> we've got two 'desktop guides' now, remember :P
[10:42] <bhuvan> Madpilot, ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktopguide.xml
[10:43] <Madpilot> hmm... the whole thing works in Yelp Breezy for me - current svn
[10:44] <bhuvan> yep, yelp renders fine. but they are not valid xml files!
[10:46] <Madpilot> hmm... I just rely on Yelp to catch errors, TBH, I haven't ever bothered with the validation script thing
[10:48] <jsgotangco> dude the validation script should come first
[10:48] <jsgotangco> or else the html won't build
[10:51] <Madpilot> " ./validate.sh ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktopguide.xml" returns no complaints here
[10:51] <Madpilot> revision 2430
[10:52] <bhuvan> yep, ./validate.sh ubuntu/desktopguide/C/preface.xml does not
[10:52] <bhuvan> seems it's not an issue..
[10:52] <bhuvan> it was complaining about xref linkend
[10:53] <bhuvan> it gets solved when we run 'yelp desktopguide.xml'
[10:53] <Madpilot> does the validate script just work on the one file you feed it, or does it assemble the whole DocBook structure like Yelp does?
[10:53] <bhuvan> it assemble whole docbook structure
[10:53] <Madpilot> good to know
[10:53] <bhuvan> i was wrong assuming dg = sg
[10:54] <bhuvan> in sg, we would be able to validate individual files and master file (serverguide.xml)
[10:54] <bhuvan> but in dg, it is not so.. anyway everything works fine, forget it
[10:34] <jjesse> mdke: ping
[10:35] <jjesse> mdke: working on getting the stylesheets updated on quickguide, etc on d.u.c
[10:35] <jjesse> mdke: this is what Riddell says   16:34]  Riddell: jjesse: it needs mdke to put the kde bits in /stable on the server