[12:03] <LaserJock> so would REVU be a good place to put a merge?
[12:04] <ajmitch_> not really
[12:04] <LaserJock> should I just ping a MOTU?
[12:04] <ajmitch_> putting a debdiff up & assigning it to motu-reviewers was the intended process
[12:04] <ajmitch_> though I don't know how often people review those at the moment
[12:05] <LaserJock> hmmm, should I open a bug for every merge?
[12:06] <Kyral> hmm
[12:07] <Kyral> if I wanna install .desktop files...with CDBS, do I call gnome.mk?
[12:07] <sistpoty> LaserJock: why would you do merges now actually?
[12:07] <LaserJock> sistpoty: because there are packages that need it
[12:08] <Kyral> Do we really need to merge EasyChem?
[12:08] <LaserJock> sistpoty: and why not?
[12:08] <sistpoty> LaserJock: oh, you mean merges to fix bugs/resolve unmet dependencies?
[12:08] <Kyral> I mean aside from the version number, its the same pack
[12:08] <LaserJock> Kyral: what do you mean? I asked for a sync I think since that is one less ubuntuX we have
[12:08] <sistpoty> LaserJock: because we are in UVF now, and thus cannot easily merge newer versions...
[12:08] <Kyral> sync, merge, wahtever ;P
[12:09] <LaserJock> sistpoty: I'm only looking at new Debian versions. no UVF exceptions at the moment
[12:09] <sistpoty> LaserJock: ah, k
[12:10] <sistpoty> Kyral: I'm no expert with desktop files, but gnome.mk seems to at least contain dh_desktop calls
[12:10] <Kyral> yah thats what I think
[12:10] <Kyral> but it also calls dh_gconf...
[12:11] <tseng> yeah good luck with that
[12:16] <sistpoty> ha, if all goes well, I will finally have a ghc6 that doesn't FTBFS due to new make tomorrow :)
[12:20] <LaserJock> is it good to bump Standards-Version if I'm merging a package anyway. The one I'm working on is 3.5.9
[12:21] <sistpoty> LaserJock: no... change as few things as possible
[12:21] <LaserJock> sistpoty: ok
[12:22] <LaserJock> sistpoty: that is what I thought but I've heard both from MOTUs so I wasn't sure
[12:22] <sistpoty> LaserJock: always keep in mind that we need to (re)do changes you do now during the next merge time (unless they've made it into debian)
[12:23] <LaserJock> sure
[12:39] <Kyral> gah
[12:40] <Kyral> I can't call gnome.mk
[12:40] <Kyral> because then it includes the Autotools things and causes the build to fail because of no ./configure
[12:48] <Kyral> Should I just manually do it in Postinst...
[12:49] <sistpoty> Kyral: i guess using dh_desktop would be better... can't you add an dh_desktop call somehow?
[12:49] <Kyral> sistpoty: not that I can find...
[12:50] <Kyral> I'll just C&P the stuff that dh_desktop adds :D
[12:50] <sistpoty> Kyral: I'm no cdbs expert either... but if you can't do it with cdbs (though I think there must be a way), why not using plain debhelper?
[12:51] <Kyral> sistpoty: because I wanted to gain experiance with CDBS?
[12:51] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:51] <Kyral> man alive...you know you have improved when you look back at another package and go "Why the hell did I do it that way?"
[12:54] <sistpoty> Kyral: maybe you could take a look at buildcore.mk and see if there are rules you can use to call dh_desktop?
[12:55] <Kyral> I wish I could just take the dh_desktop code from gnome.mk and put it in debhelper.mk
[01:03] <sistpoty> Kyral: maybe "common-binary-post-install-arch::" will do the trick?
[01:04] <Kyral> you mean like putting "common-binary-post-install-arch:: dh_desktop"?
[01:05] <sistpoty> Kyral: yes... (with dh_desktop in the next line...)
[01:05] <Kyral> hmm
[01:05] <Kyral> I'll look at the syntax :D
[01:06] <sistpoty> but this is just a guess... no promise that it'll work ;)
[01:06] <Kyral> yah
[01:06] <Kyral> I was about to ask in #debian-mentors
[01:19] <LaserJock> sistpoty: so if I have a merge debdiff should I open a bug or should I just get a MOTU to look at my debdiff
[01:19] <sistpoty> LaserJock: you can do it either way...
[01:20] <LaserJock> sistpoty: do you have a minute to look at my debdiff?
[01:20] <sistpoty> LaserJock: but if you open a bug, it's better to also ping a motu about it (at least /me usually misses these)
[01:20] <sistpoty> LaserJock: sure
[01:20] <LaserJock> sistpoty: http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/bugsx_1.08-8ubuntu1.debdiff
[01:21] <sistpoty> LaserJock: is it against the latest ubuntu or debian version?
[01:21] <LaserJock> ubuntu
[01:22] <LaserJock> all the debian version did was change a build-dep, that made it FTBFS for me
[01:22] <Kyral> ..*red*
[01:22] <Kyral> I forgot the diff command to make a patch
[01:23] <LaserJock> I use diff -Naur for patches
[01:24] <Kyral> ...why did that spit out gibberish?
[01:24] <Kyral> oh because I was an idiot and had the tarballs in there...
[01:29] <sistpoty> LaserJock: looks good... I'll testbuild and upload if nothing goes wrong ;)
[01:30] <LaserJock> sistpoty: ok, thanks.
[01:32] <Kyral> Oh where do I mail UVFs to?
[01:32] <LaserJock> -motu
[01:32] <Kyral> not -devel?
[01:33] <LaserJock> no, then the MOTUs discuss them and if they are agreed upon then dholbach will submit them
[01:37] <sistpoty> LaserJock: I dislike uploading bugs to ubuntu, though I just did ;)
[01:38] <Kyral> Do I attach the diff for the new package?
[01:39] <sistpoty> Kyral: no, just the diffstat between old and new (and the relevant changelog)
[01:39] <LaserJock> sistpoty: what?
[01:39] <Kyral> thats what I meant, the diff between 0.1 and 0.2
[01:40] <LaserJock> diffstat not diff
[01:40] <sistpoty> LaserJock: just wanted to say that bugsx is uploaded...
[01:40] <LaserJock> sistpoty: ah, lol. I see
[01:40] <sistpoty> Kyral: diff -Nur oldsource newsource | diffstat is what you mean
[01:41] <LaserJock> sistpoty: no it was good. I kept seeing bug sex when I was working on it ;-)
[01:41] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:42] <LaserJock> sweet, now I can go close a bug
[01:42] <Kyral> uhh
[01:42] <Kyral> the output from Diffstat makes no sense to me
[01:42] <sistpoty> LaserJock: please wait until it was build on all release arches, until you set it to "fix released"
[01:43] <LaserJock> sistpoty: sure
[01:43] <sistpoty> :)
[01:43] <Kyral> its a histogram...
[01:43] <Kyral> am I supposed to attach that?
[01:44] <sistpoty> Kyral: yes
[01:44] <LaserJock> yeah, it describes how big the change is and in what files without giving the nasty details :-)
[01:44] <Kyral> okay...
[01:44] <Kyral> this is new to me lol
[01:45] <LaserJock> well, I haven't done one yet. I've just been watching them go by on -motu
[01:46] <crimsun> trust me, you'll get to know histos intimately.
[01:46] <crimsun> particularly if you're getting a science degree.
[01:47] <Kyral> BTW someone in #debian_mentors pointed me to a VERY good CDBS Documentation
[01:48] <Kyral> https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml
[01:48] <crimsun> that's pretty much the de facto Web documentation
[01:48] <Kyral> oh
[01:49] <ajmitch_> and it's linked from the wiki, iirc
[01:56] <Kyral> UVF sent
[01:59] <Kyral> Anyone? Does it look good?
[01:59] <LaserJock> Kyral: no bug fixes? I don't know
[01:59] <Kyral> yah but not having to hand edit the config file from hand :P
[02:00] <Kyral> I think thats a nice addition no?
[02:03] <LaserJock> sure, but I don't know if it rises to the level that they are looking for for UVF exceptions. But then I'm no MOTU even ;-)
[02:04] <Kyral> Hey it doesn't hurt to try ;P
[02:04] <LaserJock> certainly not
[02:47] <lifeless> ajmitch_: I've just done a cdbs package, and I feel dirty. I'd also like someone to eyeball it
[02:48] <lifeless> ajmitch_: do you have a suggested way to achieve that ?
[02:48] <ajmitch_> I can take a look if you wish
[02:48] <Kyral> lol
[02:48] <Kyral> why do you feel dirty?
[02:48] <lifeless> Kyral: because its cdbs
[02:49] <lifeless> ajmitch_: please. let me put it somewhere
[02:49] <Kyral> Obviously I am missing the point
[02:50] <lifeless> ajmitch_: p.u.c/~robertc/testresources
[02:50] <Kyral> why is CDBS dirty?
[02:51] <ajmitch_> because it's a black box that requires black magic
[02:51] <Kyral> and debhelper isn't?
[02:51] <ajmitch_> debhelper is a set of small utilities that each do a defined task
[02:52] <Kyral> I see no difference between a DH_script and a cdbs.mk file
[02:52] <lifeless> thats unfortunate
[02:53] <Kyral> Its object oriented design
[02:53] <ajmitch_> lifeless: looks fine, though you may want to bump the debhelper dep to >= 4.2.28 for python2.4 support
[02:54] <ajmitch_> I can't recall if recent cdbsversions have support for cleaning up .pyc files as well
[02:54] <Kyral> I think its good to know all the methods
[02:55] <lifeless> ajmitch_: thanks
[04:16] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[04:16] <ajmitch_> night sistpoty
[05:44] <dolson> to use dh_link in the rules file, do I make a debian/pkgname.links file, or do I just do like in the man page and do a dh_link src/file dst/file ?
[05:44] <dolson> dang, nevermind
[05:44] <dolson> I missed part of the man page
[05:44] <Kyral> lol
[05:44] <dolson> :o
[06:31] <zakame> hi MOTUs
[06:34] <floam> it really should be MsOTU
[06:34] <floam> masters of the universe, not master of the universes
[06:35] <zakame> heh
[06:35] <zakame> well doesn't multiverse count as another universe?
[06:35] <zakame> (speaking of which, multiverse is `many universes')
[06:40] <dolson> so... MsOTUs then
[06:43] <floam> Misses Otus
[06:43] <floam> or Miss
[06:44] <ajmitch_> afternoon
[06:45] <dolson> hi
[06:47] <ajmitch_> nope, ah well
[06:47] <Hobbsee> cant we run multiple universes at once?
[06:48] <zakame> lol
[06:48] <floam> ajmitch_: doesn't look like it
[06:48] <zakame> hi dolson ajmitch_ floam
[06:48] <floam> ajmitch_: I would be, but that binary was i386
[06:48] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: nope, you get conflicts in packages
[06:48] <floam> poor /me is amd64
[06:48] <dolson> how's it going, zakame
[06:48] <ajmitch_> your sanity just can't take it
[06:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:48] <Hobbsee> since when was i sane anyway?  shouldn tmake much difference
[06:49] <floam> if it's ever possible to run multiple universes
[06:49] <floam> people had better call them parallel universes
[06:55] <zakame> dolson: here waiting for my clothes to dry before I push for Legazpi
[06:57] <zakame> dolson: I've a couple of talks to do tomorrow
[07:04] <dolson> hmm, I don't know what Legazpi is
[07:06] <zakame> its a city in the Bicol region here in the Philippines, at the south of Luzon island
[07:10] <floam> dolson: you bot
[07:10] <floam> hmm, I don't know what <noun> is
[07:10] <dolson> I AM NOT A BOT
[07:10] <floam> I think I've seen that identical sentence a few times
[07:10] <floam> yes you are
[07:10] <zakame> hehe
[07:11] <floam> have a botsnack
[07:11] <dolson> and how did you feel after you are?
[07:11] <dolson> THANKS FLOAM!
[07:11] <floam> dolson++
[07:11] <dolson> hmm, I don't know how to ++
[07:12] <floam> guess we didn't install the karma plugin
[07:12] <dolson> hmm, I don't know what karma is
[07:15] <ajmitch_> that's ok, you don't need to know :)
[07:15] <ajmitch_> it's just point-scoring
[07:15] <dolson> and how did you feel ater you don't need to know :)?
[07:16] <ajmitch_> :P
[07:17] <floam> ajmitch_: he knows what karma is
[07:17] <floam> he got plus-plused often in a channel he used to frequent a lot before he decided he's too good for us
[07:17] <floam> back when it had a bot
[07:18] <ajmitch_> floam: we have launchpad karma as well, not just boring old irc karama
[07:18] <ajmitch_> s/karama/karma/
[07:19] <zakame> lol
[07:19] <floam> guess youre going to say other exciting IRC features are boring too
[07:19] <floam> there's this action thing, you won't beleive this
[07:20] <floam> "/action is running" did that. it really puts you in the action and makes IRC exhilarating
[07:21] <ajmitch_> 'karma' on irc is hardly a feature
[07:21] <ajmitch_> karma on launchpad is earned by hard work
[07:21] <floam> karma on irc is earned by good one-liners
[07:22] <floam> when it comes down to it, the guy with good one-liners gets laid more
[07:22] <ajmitch_> arbitrarily granted
[07:22] <floam> ajmitch_: pfft
[07:22] <dolson> I think launchpad has actions
[07:22] <dolson> like "assign bug to"
[07:22] <ajmitch_> compared to https://launchpad.net/people/dholbach/+karma
[07:22] <floam> that's just a verb
[07:23] <ajmitch_> which shows an active developer hard at work
[07:23] <floam> are prizes awarded?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> hey how should i go fix a bug in mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail?  https://launchpad.net/products/enigmail shows it's not filed in malone - do i just submit a debdiff there, and file a bug, or what?
[07:23] <floam> exchange tokens for colorful plastic prizes?
[07:23] <dolson> floam: yes
[07:23] <dolson> floam: I got like 6 karma
[07:23] <dolson> floam: and for that, I won a night with your mamma
[07:23] <dolson> ahahah
[07:24] <floam> she said she had a quick customer
[07:24] <floam> https://launchpad.net/people/floam/+karma
[07:24] <floam> check it out, 55
[07:24] <floam> I want my spinny top
[07:24] <dolson> well 6 karma didn't buy me a lot of time
[07:25] <floam> I'm surprised you get karma for filing bugs
[07:25] <floam> I figured you got points for fixing things, not whining
[07:25] <dolson> holy crap
[07:25] <dolson> I'm up to 21 now
[07:25] <dolson> weird
[07:29] <zakame> floam: is this you? http://www.timedoctor.org/
[07:29] <floam> zakame: yes
[07:29] <floam> I just post there, a weirdo named zakk runs it
[07:29] <zakame> heh cool crack
[07:30] <dolson> I used to post there
[07:30] <zakame> I was looking if anyone on either debian or ubuntu has packaged orbital eunuchs sniper :P
[07:30] <dolson> well, I think I posted there like twice
[07:30] <floam> dolson: you still have a news account
[07:30] <dolson> I mostly worked on gimps
[07:30] <floam> zenrox: my friend zakk did the game
[07:31] <dolson> zakk is cool
[07:31] <dolson> and tall
[07:31] <floam> o rl
[07:31] <dolson> I could make a package for OES sometime
[07:31] <floam> I played halo 2 against him the other day on my evil xbox machine
[07:31] <dolson> if you don't want to, zakame
[07:31] <dolson> wha
[07:31] <dolson> he's gone
[07:31] <floam> oh
[07:31] <floam> and I addressed zenrox on accident
[07:32] <dolson> good IRC feature!
[07:33] <dolson> lol Jon Stewart rules
[07:33] <floam> he is not on here yet
[07:33] <floam> 37 minutes until my daily show crack
[07:34] <dolson> I am not sure if this is from today or what, but it's awesome... he's drinking tea right now
[07:34] <floam> dolson: if you're watching it at 11 I'm sure it's today
[07:34] <floam> oh wait, it's not 11:00 anywhere
[07:34] <zenrox> floam:  i ant zenwhen
[07:34] <dolson> oh yeah, it is. he just said Happy Valentine's Day
[07:35] <ajmitch_> wonderful, power failure
[07:35] <floam> you must live in canada
[07:35] <floam> zenrox: yeah, I know
[07:35] <floam> dolson: do you get the colbert report?
[07:35] <dolson> yes, Stephen is hillarious
[07:35] <floam> it's pretty good
[07:36] <floam> the daily show is becoming more of a humerious commentary
[07:36] <floam> so it's nice to have something else to watch after that
[07:36] <floam> which is more fake and satirical
[07:36] <floam> s/ious/ous/
[07:37] <dolson> I tend to sleep on the couch and leave the volume on so I usually hear both shows several times throughout the night.. and somehow, I do remember things I hear in the morning/afternoon/evening when I wake up
[07:38] <floam> I can listen to tv in my sleep, for real
[07:38] <floam> I occasionally have dreams where I realize I'm dreaming and can do whatever I want
[07:38] <floam> if I concentrate hard, I can hear my tv
[07:38] <floam> but am completely asleep, etc
[07:39] <dolson> lucid dreaming.. cool
[07:39] <floam> the problem is it's always like 2:00, and all that's on is stupid infomericals
[07:40] <floam> so it's not very interesting most of the time, and I can't really change the channel
[07:40] <dolson> but you could fly
[07:40] <floam> yes
[07:40] <dolson> you could fly to a different tv
[07:40] <floam> I went to the white house once
[07:41] <floam> I got inside and beat up some janitor
[07:41] <floam> not my planned target
[07:41] <floam> he was going to tell and I pretended I was in splinter cell
[07:43] <dolson> there are techniques to achieve lucidity.. I haven't tried them. I occasionally realize I am dreaming, but I usually wake up shortly after. Sometimes I will wake up, but I force myself to go back to sleep if it's a good dream that I don't want to end. and sometimes even if it's a bad dream, and I try and change it. but full lucidity I haven't had, at least not in the past few years
[07:51] <dolson> argh. I hate that slow keys crap in gnome.. I wish I could disable it permanently
[07:55] <fabbione> hello
[07:55] <fabbione> guys what is the status for universe UVF?
[07:56] <crimsun> we're in UVF, just like main, but we queue exception requests to dholbach, who sends them once per week to mdz
[07:56] <zakame> hello fabbione
[07:57] <fabbione> crimsun: ok thanks
[07:57] <crimsun> fabbione: np
[07:57] <ajmitch_> hi fabbione
[08:00] <Mez> fabbione, but i believe NEW packages are slightly more lenient
[08:02] <fabbione> no i only might need a new version of a package
[08:02] <fabbione> it's already there
[08:05] <crimsun> Mez: right, FF isn't for a couple more weeks (give or take a day)
[08:05] <Mez> lol - yeah - so hopefully I can get iFolder in before then
[08:05] <crimsun> sorry, make that one week (give or take a day)
[08:09] <Mez> hey
[08:09] <Mez> anyone around fancy reviewing some packages?
[08:10] <crimsun> isn't today REVU day?
[08:10] <Mez> exactly
[08:10] <Mez> so a prelim review would be good :D so I can like - fix problems before going sleep
[08:10] <Mez> and then having to get up for work
[08:11] <Mez> aka - well - REVU day is good and all - but when there are problems - not many people look back
[08:11] <Toadstool> hi MOTUs
[08:11] <Mez> hola Toadstool
[08:11] <crimsun> Mez: I can look, but I can't post comments due to my acct's passwd recovery being ... odd.
[08:11] <sealne> dcfldd could do with another review if anyone has time
[08:12] <sealne> morning btw
[08:12] <Mez> crimsun: odd?
[08:12] <crimsun> Mez: sign-only gpg keys apparently have issues with recovery.
[08:12] <Mez> lol :D
[08:12] <sealne> ah yeah i could see how decrypting might not work?
[08:13] <sealne> out of interest what is the point of a signing only key?
[08:16] <crimsun> sealne: (1) nothing I send via e-mail can be considered "secure" in any fashion, and (2) it indicates that I did actually write that (non-repudiation)
[08:17] <Toadstool> and (3) you can't use your REVU account ^^
[08:18] <sealne> yeah i mean not using a full key?
[08:18] <crimsun> sealne: the portion of my key that enciphers was revoked
[08:19] <crimsun> Mez: url?
[08:20] <Mez> crimsun what email are you using for REVU?
[08:21] <Mez> or keyid
[08:23] <crimsun> 0xC88ABDA3
[08:26] <Mez> crimsun, /query
[08:27] <Gloubiboulga> morning
[08:28] <Toadstool> hi Gloubiboulga
[08:28] <Gloubiboulga> salut Toadstool :)
[08:30] <Mez> crimsun: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1782, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1777 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1781
[08:30] <Mez> plus one more to come
[08:31] <crimsun> yeesh, I'd better get some coffee
[08:32] <Mez> hehe :D
[08:32] <Mez> iFolder wub
[08:43] <crimsun> for simias, is there any reason libstdc++5-3.3-dev is listed in debian/control:Build-Depends?
[09:25] <Gloubiboulga> someone could look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1652 ?
[09:50] <Gloubiboulga> morning raphink
[09:53] <siretart> morning
[09:54] <raphink> hi siretart
[09:56] <raphink> hmmpf
[09:59] <dholbach> good morning
[09:59] <dholbach> HAPPY REVU DAY!
[09:59] <dolson> hi dholbach
[09:59] <dolson> so... is this the deadline?
[10:00] <dolson> I haven't gotten a lot done :(
[10:00] <dholbach> no, it's not a deadline
[10:00] <dholbach> feb 23rd
[10:00] <dholbach> is
[10:00] <dholbach> today is just a day where we bundle all efforts and review a hell lot of packages
[10:00] <dholbach> and hopefully get a good bunch of them in
[10:01] <dolson> ok, question.. should I focus efforts right now on NEW packages, or should I go through the bugs that persia is watching, and get them fixed? they are just missing desktop files, and I want to see as many of those fixed as possible before dapper... they should be quick and easy though.. making new app packages, for me, takes longer
[10:02] <dholbach> we can always add desktop files after feature freeze
[10:02] <dolson> ok and that's the 23rd, right
[10:02] <dholbach> but it'd be nice, if upstream would get supplied with them too
[10:02] <dholbach> yes
[10:02] <dolson> well, I can send the .desktop files upstream too
[10:02] <dholbach> yeah
[10:03] <dholbach> that's great!
[10:03] <dolson> I sent the mx44 patch upstream.. no reply yet. I was talking with him before, and he said he had to look into why it wouldn't build in gcc4, so I think he might like that patch
[10:04] <dholbach> :-)
[10:04] <raphink> I've got a HORRIBLE LAG
[10:06] <raphink> hi dholbach
[10:06] <dolson> I really need to get a mouse or a trackball.. it will really speed things up I think
[10:18] <dolson> man, I am so lazy. I am eating cereal out of a glass without a spoon
[10:26] <Seveas> there is no spoon...
[10:27] <dolson> I use a fork!
[10:45] <dholbach> I'll just look into a python-gnome fix and then get started with the REVU DAY
[10:45] <dholbach> it'd be nice, if we could get comments posted live in here
[10:45] <dholbach> what do you think?
[10:46] <dholbach> so we know who is looking into what
[10:46] <dholbach> and what got a new comment, and so on
[10:47] <dolson> I'll be up for a while longer, so if you do mine soon, I can fix them asap
[10:50] <raphink> ping dholbach
[10:50] <dholbach> raphink: pong
[10:52] <dolson> lol
[10:53] <Seveas> Mez, yes it's bad
[11:15] <Tonio__> hello all
[11:15] <dolson> hi Tonio__
[11:16] <Tonio_> ogra: ping ?
[11:17] <ogra> Tonio_, ?
[11:17] <Tonio_> ogra: first I'd like to thank you for your support yesterday on the TB ;)
[11:18] <Tonio_> ogra: is it possible to be included into the MOTU launchpad group ? or is there something special to perform ?
[11:18] <zakame> heya Tonio_
[11:18] <Tonio_> hi zakame ;)
[11:18] <zakame> Tonio_ : you're now a MOTU?
[11:18] <ogra> Tonio_, apply for it, i'll include you then ...
[11:19] <Tonio_> zakame: yep, since yesterday.... more baby/learning MOTU in fact :)
[11:19] <Tonio_> ogra: thanks a lot
[11:19] <ogra> :)
[11:22] <Tonio_> ogra: can't "join the team", I receive that message :  "MOTU is a restricted team. Only a team administrator can add new members."
[11:22] <Tonio_> ogra: that's the reason I was asking you directly
[11:23] <ogra> yes, but you should be able to apply for membership .... strange ...
[11:23] <ogra> whats your LP account ?
[11:24] <Tonio_> hum, logically yes, since I am in ubuntu-dev and motureviewer groups....
[11:24] <Tonio_> ogra: https://launchpad.net/people/tonio
[11:25] <zakame> Tonio_ : congrats! rock on dude! :D
[11:26] <Tonio_> zakame: hehe, thanks ;)
[11:26] <siretart> Tonio_: congrats to MOTUness! :)
[11:27] <Tonio_> siretart: thanks ;) I hope not to deceive ;)
[11:28] <siretart> there is an awefull lot of kde applications on revu, and I suspect that there are quite some other motus who are not that comfortable revieweing them, because lack of knowledge of kde
[11:28] <Tonio_> jpatrick has also been approved, which sounds very good for kubuntu :)
[11:28] <ogra> Tonio_, done
[11:28] <siretart> anyone already playing with xgl?
[11:29] <tepsipakki> siretart: it just hit a.u.c
[11:29] <Tonio_> siretart: unfortunately, I will not have time to revu today, since I am on a massy groupware migration at work, but before 23, I'll spend all the time Ican on revuing kde apps
[11:29] <Tonio_> ogra: thanks ;)
[11:29] <siretart> Tonio_: what groupware do you use?
[11:29] <Tonio_> we are migrating from externalised services (imap + ....) to msexchange 2003
[11:29] <tepsipakki> siretart: I'll test it in a minute
[11:29] <Tonio_> not the best, but comfortable for our use
[11:30] <Tonio_> siretart: and I also included 2 ubuntu servers for the mailforwarding + antispam + antivirus process
[11:30] <Tonio_> I also use ubuntu for the web publication of the OWA service
[11:31] <Tonio_> but even though I had a look at openXchange or opengroupware, it cannot compete with exchange + active directory actually........ that still needs more integration with openldap + samba
[11:31] <siretart> tepsipakki: I notice that there is no documentation at all in the package, so I'll wait for the first howtos ;)
[11:32] <tepsipakki> siretart: I believe google will help..
[11:32] <tepsipakki> or the forums
[11:32] <siretart> Tonio_: yeah. I have a friend who has experimented with some free solutions, and it is quite hard to find one that does not suck too hard :/
[11:33] <Tonio_> siretart: it will be okay one day, but really, microsoft did something impressive with active directory
[11:35] <siretart> Tonio_: well, samba4 aims to be a full and free replacement for AD. lets hope the best
[11:35] <zakame> siretart : it does? that'll be good :)
[11:36] <zakame> siretart : btw I was about to ping you, re: NetworkAuthentication
[11:36] <siretart> zakame: yes. including a own ldap server implementation and bindings to dhcpd and bind.
[11:36] <siretart> zakame: NetworkAuthentication was deffered to dapper+1, iirc. :(
[11:37] <zakame> siretart : I notice that this is a client spec, is there an analogue for a NetworkAuthenticationServer spec?
[11:38] <siretart> zakame: hm, I'm not sure, but I had discussions with Mithrandir about this.
[11:39] <siretart> zakame: basically, it would be possible to craft something out, even today, but it would have been way to much work for dapper, and out of scope. I suspect it to be happen in dapper+1 or dapper+2
[11:39] <Mithrandir> zakame: it's actually both a client and server spec, but geared more towards the client part since we need that first.
[11:40] <dolson> tepsipakki: if you get it to work, would you be willing to summarize how to do it? I'm interested in checking that out too
[11:40] <zakame> siretart: ah... well I'm interested too; a company here has asked me to investigate implementing such a system, and they also expressed interest in doing such; trouble is they want it for Breezy :/
[11:41] <tepsipakki> dolson: there's a new version of xserver-xgl coming, the -0ubuntu1 doesn't work :/
[11:41] <dolson> oh :(
[11:41] <tepsipakki> and I have a lecture in 1,5h, damnit
[11:43] <ogra> siretart, i fixed the bug that prevented gnome settings daemon to work in ltsp if you are logged in multiple times with the same user btw ... seb128 has the patch for inspection ...
[11:44] <zakame> bbl
[11:46] <siretart> zakame: I don't see much problems in that requirement. you can backport all you need
[11:47] <siretart> ogra: sounds promising :)
[11:47] <siretart> hm, new upstream of g-p-m and g-s-s. perhaps they fix my problems?
[11:47] <ogra> heh... at least we can make internet cafes happy now ...
[11:47] <siretart> :)
[11:47] <siretart> oh, new u++ version.
[11:52] <Tonio_> siretart: concerning samba4, I really hope so :) My company is really interested in removing AD, but we all have to wait for a mature possible replacement, which samba isn't in it's actual statement....
[11:57] <dolson> uh, wtf!?!
[11:57] <dolson> I had a file in debian called mx44. then when I tried to build it, that file was deleted and replaced with a directory called mx44
[11:59] <tepsipakki> yes, isn't that what the build process does?
[11:59] <dolson> well that file was needed...
[11:59] <tepsipakki> rename it =)
[11:59] <dolson> well, I can't now that it's gone
[11:59] <Gloubiboulga> siretart, thanks for your message on the MOTU ML (about ocaml transition) :)
[12:02] <siretart> :)
[12:05] <Gloubiboulga> I have a very big musical work to do for the moment...
[12:05] <Gloubiboulga> cu
[12:10] <mammadori> hi all, I would like to help ('cause of master thesis in IT engineering) in development of the LiveCD, where I could start watching devel tools, sources and coordination?
[12:13] <mammadori>  I would like to help LiveCD development, any advices?
[01:48] <Kyral> Morning MOTU
[02:02] <Toadstool> heya MOTUs
[02:02] <jpatrick> afternoon everyone
[02:03] <Toadstool> does any MOTU here have time to adocate and upload a package ? :)
[02:03] <jpatrick> Toadstool: which one?
[02:04] <Toadstool> wide-dhcpv6
[02:04] <Toadstool> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1764
[02:06] <raphink> jpatrick: I'll run revu-report on it so you can review it
[02:06] <jpatrick> raphink: merci
[02:06] <raphink> ;)
[02:08] <Toadstool> raphink: revu-report does a uscan to check the orig.tar.gz tarball ?
[02:08] <raphink> yes
[02:08] <jpatrick> Toadstool: yes
[02:08] <raphink> when it's available
[02:09] <Toadstool> then it won't work, because upstream has released a new tarball yesterday, but it's too buggy to be packaged
[02:09] <Toadstool> i've already filed bug reports about this
[02:10] <Toadstool> ouch I should go to my english lessons, sorry for slaughtering the language...
[02:13] <jpatrick> What? I can't advocate.
[02:15] <dolson> Toadstool: looks good to me.. your language, that is
[02:17] <Toadstool> my old english teacher would have killed me if she had seen  has released  and  yesterday in the same sentence :)
[02:18] <mammadori> hi all, I would like to help in the development of the LiveCD, where I could start watching devel tools, sources and coordination?
[02:18] <dolson> who is daemonATpoleboyDOTde?
[02:19] <Toadstool> it's sistpoty, I think
[02:19] <dolson> ah, he isn't in here right now.. hmm, ok. thanks :)
[02:21] <jpatrick> raphink: seems I can't make comments
[02:28] <raphink> jpatrick: what your email add for REVU?
[02:28] <raphink> jpatrick: I'll make you a reviewer
[02:29] <jpatrick> jpatrickdavies@gmail.com
[02:29] <tepsipakki> dolson: http://pastebin.com/555795
[02:29] <raphink> jpatrick: there
[02:29] <raphink> jpatrick: now you can post comments
[02:29] <tepsipakki> dolson: you need to stop gdm before running it
[02:30] <dolson> tepsipakki: thanks! I will try it out soon
[02:30] <dolson> wb dholbach
[02:30] <dholbach> re
[02:31] <dolson> and another one's gone
[02:32] <dolson> hey, should I care about GPL v3?
[02:33] <jpatrick> Toadstool: will be there in one second :)
[02:33] <Toadstool> ok thanks :)
[02:44] <raphink> jpatrick: does it work?
[02:45] <jpatrick> raphink: yes, just waiting for my pbuilder to finish
[02:46] <raphink> jpatrick: if you need, I can launch reports
[02:46] <raphink> just ask
[02:47] <jpatrick> ok
[02:48] <zakame> evening MOTUs
[02:48] <dholbach> hey zakame
[02:49] <raphink> hi zakame
[02:49] <raphink> hi dholbach
[02:49] <dolson> hi zakame
[02:49] <zakame> hi dholbach and raphink ! :D
[02:49] <dolson> :(
[02:50] <zakame> ey dolson ! :D why the :( ?
[02:50] <dholbach> who is rmarkie@fi.uba.ar?
[02:50] <dolson> zakame: you left me out at frist :)
[02:50] <zakame> dolson: frist?
[02:51] <dolson> lol
[02:51] <dolson> shutup. it's 8:52am here, and I have been working on debs all night
[02:51] <dholbach> raphink: did you test roundcube-webmail?
[02:52] <jpatrick> raphink: should I do * Sponsered upload ... in changelog?
[02:52] <zakame> dolson: w00t :D I myself am supposed to sleep early for my talks
[02:52] <dholbach> jpatrick: not necessary
[02:52] <dholbach> jpatrick: run    debuild -S (-sa if needed) -k<mailaddressonyourgpgkey>
[02:53] <dholbach> jpatrick: if i'd like to upload a new version of something, i'd run   debuild -S -sa -kdaniel.holbach@ubuntu.com
[02:53] <dholbach> So I'd sign it with my key.
[02:53] <dolson> zakame: I am currently unemployed, so I can do things like this.. just as long as I am not called for an interview, then I should be fine.. but I really should start sleeping at normal hours.. I can hardly see right now
[02:53] <jpatrick> dholbach: ok
[02:53] <dholbach> jpatrick: like this, his/her name will turn up on dapper-changes@
[02:53] <dholbach> jpatrick: which makes it easier to track back who uploaded what
[02:53] <dholbach> jpatrick: for TB/CC meetings and the like
[02:54] <Toadstool> dholbach: this roundcube is really promising, I have installed it on my mailserver and it rocks to my mind, even if there is a lot of bugs for the moment
[02:54] <dholbach> Toadstool: bugs like what?
[02:55] <Toadstool> like it shows that there are a few mails in the Trash, even if I've removed them
[02:55] <dholbach> imap purging problem?
[02:55] <dholbach> the packaging looks smooth
[02:56] <dholbach> so i'm inclined to approve it
[02:56] <dholbach> segfault: looks good
[02:56] <Toadstool> oh, i've installed it by hand
[02:56] <zakame> dolson: lol, same here, though I'm being contacted to do some projects involving Ubuntu
[02:56] <jpatrick> Toadstool: uploaded
[02:56] <dolson> zakame: that would be so sweet, but our city is very small... not sure anyone here uses Linux but me and one other guy
[02:56] <Toadstool> thank you very much jpatrick :)
[02:57] <zakame> dolson: where's that?
[02:57] <jpatrick> Toadstool: first upload I've done
[02:57] <dolson> zakame: north bay, ON
[02:57] <dholbach> jpatrick: was it accepted?
[02:57] <Toadstool> jpatrick: first package for me :)
[02:57] <jpatrick> dholbach: time to see if it was
[02:58] <dholbach> jpatrick: you uploaded to ubuntu? :)
[02:58] <jpatrick> yes
[02:58] <jpatrick> "dput ubuntu wide-dhcpv6_20060114-1ubuntu1_source.changes"
[02:58] <zakame> dolson: ooh
[02:59] <dholbach> looks good :)
[02:59] <StevenK> jpatrick: ubuntu isn't needed if you're on an Ubuntu machine.
[02:59] <Toadstool> dholbach: it's already been uploaded to debian anyway ;)
[02:59] <jpatrick> StevenK: I default to revu still (must change)
[03:02] <siretart> slomo_: around?
[03:02] <siretart> StevenK: oh, thats easy *grin*
[03:04] <zakame> dolson: you should sleep now then :D
[03:05] <dolson> zakame: I have another package I am working on :P
[03:05] <zakame> oh? what's that?
[03:06] <dolson> zakame: this is called kaconnect
[03:06] <dholbach> segfault: roundcube-webmail uploaded
[03:07] <zakame> dolson: ok, if you upload to REVU I'll check it tomorrow :)
[03:07] <dolson> zakame: it'll be there shortly..
[03:08] <dholbach> dolson: gave my ok on ubuntustudiolauncher
[03:08] <dolson> dholbach: thanks again!
[03:08] <dholbach> dolson: now you just need one more ok
[03:09] <dolson> dholbach: someone okd the previous version... I just changed the copyright notice per his comments
[03:09] <dholbach> i'm sure somebody will just step up in a few min and give his ok too
[03:09] <dholbach> :-)
[03:10] <dolson> I do
[03:10] <zakame> one more before I go to /sleep
[03:10] <dholbach> dolson: so you get the nice  icon
[03:10] <dholbach> :-)
[03:11] <dolson> zakame:  I keep telling myself that.. :) but then I dput qarecord, and then I said it again..
[03:11] <dolson> I like the <3 icon. but it came a day late
[03:11] <zakame> dolson: packaging lurve ;)
[03:12] <dholbach> if somebody OK'd it, just tell me, and I'll upload it
[03:12] <dholbach> looking at qamix
[03:14] <dolson> I tried to take my wife out for a valentine's day dinner, but our car wouldn't start... got a buddy to bring his booster box over, still wouldn't start. went and bought three 12' booster cables, linked them together, didn't work.. pushed the car to reposition it, then drove his car in to my small driveway, and it still didn't work... man, what a crappy day. I have learned my lesson.
[03:14] <dolson> don't go out for valentine's day, just stay home and package software.
[03:14] <dholbach> or have a nice cuddly evening at home :)
[03:14] <dholbach> qamix looks GOOD
[03:14] <dolson> yeah, we did.. but she had to go to work an hour later
[03:14] <zakame> dolson: ubuntustudio: since you're upstream, could you please include the copyright notice in the ubuntustudio script itself, then quote that in debian/copyright?
[03:15] <dolson> zakame: yes. in version 2.0.1 I will
[03:15] <jsgotangco>     M O T U    
[03:15] <zakame> lol
[03:16] <dholbach> dolson: as you set yourself as maintainer of mx44 - could you use dpatch (or something else) there as well?
[03:16] <dholbach> dolson: I think that'd do much for the package's appeal (especially if you're about to package a new upstream version of it (at some point))
[03:16] <dolson> dholbach: yeah... I didn't know about dpatch when I initally worked on that
[03:17] <dholbach> yeah, i understand.
[03:17] <dolson> dholbach: I will do that in a sec.. just about done with kaconnect
[03:17] <dholbach> right
[03:17] <siretart> ubuntustudio now has 2 advocates
[03:17] <dholbach> ROCK!
[03:17] <siretart> :)
[03:18] <dholbach> siretart: you? I? :)
[03:18] <dholbach> ok
[03:18] <dholbach> (i meant uploading) :)
[03:18] <zakame> cool
[03:18] <zakame> make that 3
[03:20] <dolson> woo woo, my first ever real package in ubuntu. I feel so special
[03:20] <dholbach> :-)
[03:20] <zakame> rock on
[03:20] <dolson> ok, now back to kaconnect..
[03:21] <siretart> uploaded
[03:23] <dholbach> vbaexpress looks good
[03:23] <dholbach> testbuilding
[03:24] <dholbach> jpatrick: no mail to dapper-changes yet
[03:24] <dholbach> jpatrick: i suppose something went wrong
[03:24] <jpatrick> dholbach: neither did my kcontrol-kdmtheme package Riddell sent
[03:24] <sistpoty> hi folks
[03:25] <siretart> hi sistpoty
[03:25] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[03:25] <dolson> hi sistpoty
[03:25] <sistpoty> hi dolson
[03:25] <dholbach> vbaexpress is GO
[03:25] <jpatrick> dholbach: I think it has to do with the manual processing....
[03:25] <dholbach> manual?
[03:25] <sistpoty> siretart, dholbach: anyone of you uploading ubuntustudiolauncher?
[03:26] <dholbach> sistpoty: siretart did
[03:26] <sistpoty> dholbach: ah, k... then I won't reupload ;)
[03:26] <dholbach> :-)
[03:26] <dholbach> vbaexpress uploaded!
[03:26] <zakame> I think it is already uploaded
[03:27] <siretart> sistpoty: yes, I mentioned that 2 mins before you joined this channel :)
[03:27] <sistpoty> hehe
[03:28] <jpatrick> dholbach: it's probably still in NEW
[03:28] <zakame> bye all, gn8!
[03:28] <zakame> dolson: see my note for qamix
[03:28] <dholbach> bye zakame
[03:28] <dholbach> jpatrick: ah sure, yes
[03:28] <dholbach> jpatrick: did you get a mail back though?
[03:28] <dholbach> *wave zakame*
[03:29] <jpatrick> No :/
[03:29] <dolson> zakame: I see it, but I don't know what the chances of that happening are... the source hasn't been touched since 2004
[03:29] <siretart> zakame: it has a LICENSE file
[03:29] <siretart> I suspect thats okay for ftpmaster in ubunut, but in general, your right
[03:29] <siretart> uploading qamix now
[03:29] <zakame> siretart: gaah I grepped for COPYING
[03:29] <jpatrick> dholbach: aha! it appears at Toadstool's launchpad page so it uploaded okay https://launchpad.net/people/jeremie-corbier/+packages
[03:30] <dholbach> congratulations!
[03:30] <siretart> zakame: no problem, sleep well ;)
[03:30] <dolson> it's like that for almost all of these apps I've worked on... the source hasn't been touched since 2003 or 2004 for a lot of them
[03:30] <dholbach> looking at keyboardcast
[03:30] <Toadstool> yeah !
[03:30] <Toadstool> thanks :)
[03:30] <zakame> dolson, siretart : if that's the case, is upstream willing to support this, even if code has been untouched for a year now?
[03:31] <zakame> bah /ignore me, I trust siretart :D
[03:31] <dolson> they are rather simple programs.. I'm pretty sure that any bugs have been found by now
[03:32] <zakame> dolson++
[03:32] <zakame> gn8!
[03:32] <dolson> cya za
[03:32] <dolson> lol
[03:32] <dholbach> Seveas: I just OK'd keyboardcast.
[03:33] <Seveas> woohoo 
[03:34] <sistpoty> jpatrick: hehe, I also had that idea... if we would, i could sell some karma on ebay now :)
[03:34] <Kyral> Hey guys
[03:34] <Kyral> Anyone with upload rights mind uploading the new GTKEdit?
[03:34] <siretart> slomo_: around?
[03:35] <Kyral> the files are at azuredream.homelinux.org/ubuntu
[03:35] <fbond> hello all
[03:35] <fbond> revu report has been generated for dssi
[03:35] <fbond> anyone want to review it?
[03:35] <fbond> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1783
[03:35] <Kyral> dholbach: thanks for okaying my UVF Request
[03:35] <dholbach> Kyral: i will give it Matt and Colin soon.
[03:35] <dholbach> Kyral: no problem.
[03:35] <dolson> hey fbond
[03:35] <fbond> hi dolson
[03:35] <dholbach> grrrr, why did raphink go? :)
[03:36] <dolson> fbond: I appreciate your efforts man.. I really do.
[03:36] <siretart> fbond: err, dssi is on my 'to be synced' list from debian
[03:36] <dholbach> does somebody have an idea what the first part of his last comment on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1607 is supposed to mean?
[03:36] <dholbach> (lives)
[03:36] <dolson> dssi is in debian?
[03:36] <siretart> yes, it is
[03:36] <Kyral> okay back to class :D
[03:37] <siretart> but given that syncs didn't happen for some time now, i'm quite tempted to upload the debian package as 0ubuntu1 :/
[03:38] <sistpoty> dholbach: only guessing... try make -f debian/rules build && make -f debian/rules clean and see if the files are there
[03:38] <siretart> dolson: http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dssi.html
[03:39] <siretart> dholbach: how do you think about that?
[03:39] <dholbach> sistpoty: i just didnt understand why to remove .po files :)
[03:39] <dolson> I think fbond was packaging it before it was showing up in debian..
[03:39] <dholbach> siretart: i'll go through our NEW then
[03:39] <sistpoty> dholbach: ah... yes, do files should be there... but not the pot one, right?
[03:39] <sistpoty> s/do/po/
[03:39] <siretart> dholbach: it has to go through our NEW this or the other way, thats no difference
[03:40] <dholbach> sistpoty: the .pot too (it's nice to ship, especially since rosetta wants it) - .mo files are stuff to remove
[03:40] <siretart> fbond: did you know about dssi in debian?
[03:40] <dholbach> siretart: it goes through NEW, if we sync it?
[03:40] <siretart> dholbach: sure. syncing is 'just' faking a changes file and uploading it
[03:40] <dholbach> not really sure about it
[03:41] <fbond> siretart: no, this must be fairly recent?
[03:41] <jpatrick> wb raphink
[03:41] <dolson> fbond: from the 10th..
[03:41] <dolson> fbond: I checked several times and never saw it before..
[03:41] <fbond> my package was first uploaded to REVU on the 9th
[03:42] <dolson> exactly
[03:42] <siretart> fbond: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=280165
[03:42] <Ubugtu> debian bug 280165 in ITP "dssi -- an API designed for software synthesis plugins with native user interfaces" [Wishlist,Fixed] 
[03:42] <dholbach> is alexis sattler here?
[03:43] <sistpoty> grr... why do I always add a comment to the wrong package, if I have multiple revu-pages open? *g*
[03:44] <Yagisan> we have a size limit on ubuntu-motu ?
[03:45] <Yagisan> my UVF email seems to have bounced
[03:45] <sistpoty> Yagisan: yes we have... but afaik it didn't bounce but needs moderator approval
[03:45] <dholbach> ushare is nearly good
[03:45] <raphink> ty jpatrick
[03:47] <Yagisan> sistpoty: thanks. I just got my needs to be check by a mod message
[03:47] <dolson> fbond, siretart: that ITP went nowhere for months, and then right when forrest does it, now it's in debian... figures. what about hexter?
[03:47] <dolson> ok, kaconnect is up.. I will sleep now.. I must. it is almost 10am. :\
[03:48] <siretart> dolson: yes, thats a pitty for sure
[03:49] <siretart> fbond: what do you think. shall ubuntu go with your dssi package or do you want to work together with Mark Hymers?
[03:49] <Yagisan> siretart: UVF for xvid was emailed. Needs mod approval
[03:49] <siretart> Yagisan: dholbach is the mailing list moderator ;)
[03:50] <dholbach> Fuddl: i had a look at nexuiz-data
[03:50] <fbond> well, i suppose it doesn't matter all that much, in the long run
[03:50] <dholbach> Yagisan: looking
[03:50] <fbond> it's probably safe to assume that mine is better :)
[03:51] <fbond> but i think syncability with Debian is important
[03:51] <fbond> and that has more long term value than going with the currently better package :)
[03:51] <dholbach> Yagisan: mail approved
[03:51] <Yagisan> dholbach: thank you
[03:52] <siretart> fbond: well, it depends how much commitment you want to give to the package
[03:52] <siretart> fbond: if you want to care for it in the long run, and don't care about debian at all, I think we should take your package
[03:53] <siretart> fbond: if you care about both ubuntu and debian, I think you should offer Mark your help and work in a common svn or something on the package
[03:53] <dholbach> raphink: dunno how relevant rosetta is wrt universe packages (kboggle)
[03:54] <raphink> what do you mean dholbach ?
[03:54] <dholbach> KDE pot file for inclusion in Rosetta
[03:55] <sistpoty> is Kenny Duffus here?
[03:55] <fbond> siretart: well, I wouldn't personally need the Debian package, but I think it would be better to maximize total gain, and also maximize shared efforts
[03:56] <fbond> i'll get intouch with Mark
[03:56] <raphink> dholbach: this is the policy we chose for KDE packages on REVU
[03:56] <siretart> great :)
[03:56] <sealne> sistpoty: yep
[03:56] <fbond> it's not a terribly complicated package; my guess is he will not need too much assistance with it
[03:56] <sistpoty> sealne: I just looked at dcfldd...
[03:56] <sealne> sistpoty: the .orig was simply a mv
[03:56] <sealne> sistpoty: yep thanks
[03:56] <raphink> dholbach: universe packages are not imported to rosetta?
[03:56] <sistpoty> sealne: don't touch the upstream tarball... ;)
[03:57] <sealne> sistpoty: ?
[03:57] <dholbach> raphink: at least the translations don't get in the language-packs
[03:57] <sistpoty> sealne: just take the upstream tarball as is... there is no need to mv anything around
[03:57] <sealne> its supposed to be named .orig ??
[03:57] <raphink> dholbach: ah ok
[03:57] <siretart> dholbach: what do you think about dssi?
[03:57] <sistpoty> sealne: yes it is, but md5sum differed
[03:57] <raphink> dholbach: but they can be sent upstream for inclusion in the pot file, can't they?
[03:58] <siretart> dholbach: given that it got through debian/NEW
[03:58] <dholbach> raphink: they can
[03:58] <dholbach> raphink: i agree that it's very nice to have, but we shouldnt make that a requirement for package inclusion
[03:58] <dholbach> siretart: erm
[03:58] <sistpoty> sealne: and you'll really need to take a look at copyright notices in the sourcecode files... there is at least one different license (sha1.c) than you mention in debian/copyright
[03:59] <dholbach> siretart: syncing? is the revu package better?
[03:59] <sealne> sistpoty: md5s are the same for me
[03:59] <sealne> sistpoty: thanks i hadn't noticed the license thing
[03:59] <raphink> dholbach: I don't think I made it a requirement
[03:59] <raphink> dholbach: it was listed among a list of other things
[04:00] <sealne> sistpoty: i get them both as 33df7c8be205117295899840fe89b0d5
[04:00] <raphink> dholbach: and I think I'd have accepted the package without it, had there not been other things to say
[04:00] <dholbach> raphink: Sure.
[04:00] <dholbach> raphink: Just wanted to ask back.
[04:00] <siretart> dholbach: the difference isn't big, but I doubt that elmo will do ANY syncs soon :(
[04:00] <raphink> sure dholbach :)
[04:00] <sistpoty> sealne: strange... I'll recheck this... maybe I got a flawed SF-mirror
[04:01] <dholbach> siretart: add it to our Sync page
[04:01] <raphink> if any pbuilder-allowed reviewer is interested, since it's review day
[04:01] <raphink> I've completed revu-tools with a small script that find the latest version of a package through all the uploads
[04:01] <raphink> I'm very lazy ;)
[04:01] <raphink> so this is something that is run like : `revu-review kboggle'
[04:02] <raphink> and runs revu-report on the last version of kboggle
[04:02] <raphink> if any of you want it :)
[04:02] <dholbach> raphink: put it up for review :)
[04:02] <raphink> dholbach: well I've uploaded revu-tools 0.4 on NEW a week ago and have no news about it
[04:02] <raphink> dholbach: so it seems all I can do is wait for far
[04:02] <dholbach> ah ok
[04:02] <raphink> unless I put it in the svn again
[04:03] <sistpoty> sealne: yes, you are right... I really got a flawed mirror *g*
[04:03] <raphink> :s
[04:03] <sealne> heh
[04:03] <dholbach> hmmmmmm, cairomm
[04:03] <dholbach> juicy
[04:03] <raphink> dholbach: but if you want it, it's in /home/raphink/revu-review
[04:03] <sealne> what do you do for multiple licenses?
[04:04] <dholbach> I OK'd nexuiz
[04:05] <sistpoty> sealne: see if they go along together... if they don't you can't package it... if they do, you should include all the different licenses in debian/copyright
[04:07] <Yagisan> sealne: well you could package it if the licenses don't get along, but Ubuntu can't take it. Which licenses ?
[04:07] <sealne> not a "proper" license
[04:08] <sealne> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/dcfldd-0602121425/dcfldd-1.3.4/sha1.c
[04:08] <dholbach> dolzzzon: nice work on qmidiroute
[04:09] <sistpoty> sealne: IANAL, but imo that is compatible to the gpl... just make sure to include that part (as requested)
[04:10] <Yagisan> sealne: it looks like a modofied bsd. should be fine
[04:10] <sealne> just add verbatim? ie except for sha1.c which is released uner the following license?
[04:10] <Yagisan> sealne: verbatim - yes
[04:11] <Yagisan> sealne: for non-standard verbatim is always a good idea
[04:11] <sealne> with something similar to what i said above?
[04:12] <sistpoty> sealne: yes
[04:12] <sistpoty> sealne: but there seem some more different licenses involved: sha2.c and md5.c at least... (just take a look at all source files)
[04:12] <sealne> yep was going to
[04:13] <sistpoty> sealne: (imo all *should* be compatible to gpl, but IANAL *g*)
[04:13] <sealne> heh, i'd never even thought that some might be under a different license
[04:14] <sistpoty> hehe, that's why I always grep for copyright when I review a package :)
[04:14] <Yagisan> sealne: if you want an example of really bad license combining, look up deng on revu
[04:14] <sistpoty> oh... /me needs to go now... will be back later this evening
[04:14] <sistpoty> cya
[04:14] <dholbach> sebest: I made some comments to nautilus-share
[04:15] <Yagisan> sealne: two different licenses - and fully 1/3 of the source lacks copyright notices stating *which* license applies
[04:16] <Yagisan> sealne: thankfully upstream is fixing it, so it will have another chance with the ubuntu license gods^W^W revu team
[04:23] <dholbach> qmidiarp and qarecord look good
[04:25] <fbond> siretart: I also see in Debian ITPs for dssi0.9-plugin-vst, dssi0.9-plugin-hexter, dssi0.9-plugin-fluidsynth, dssi0.9-plugin-xsynth, ...
[04:25] <fbond> these itps are from august 2005...
[04:29] <siretart> fbond: you could reply to those bugs askind the submitter if he is still interested in packaging them
[04:30] <dholbach> QUITE some packages with one vote :-)
[04:30] <siretart> fbond: if he doesn't respond (or if you think the bug is ridiculusly long open) retitle the bug from ITP to RFP, and link to prepared packages if you have some
[04:32] <LaserJock> dholbach: do you have an idea of how long it is currently taking elmo to process non-UVF breaking syncs?
[04:32] <dholbach> LaserJock: normally he's quite quick
[04:32] <dholbach> atm he's not
[04:33] <siretart> LaserJock: it doesn't care if the sync is related to uvf or not. he processes sync if he has time
[04:33] <dholbach> I archived gperfection2 upload, needs uvf approval
[04:33] <LaserJock> ok, I just wondered if I had missed some I had crimsun request for me. Must still be in the queue
[04:34] <Yagisan> siretart. x264 patch for mplayer/mencoder is in malone bug #31519
[04:34] <Ubugtu> malone bug 31519 in mplayer "Patch to add x264 support." [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31519
[04:46] <sealne> how would this be for copyright file for dcfldd? : http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/copyright
[04:47] <dholbach> keytouch-editor looks good too
[04:50] <Yagisan> sealne: looks good to me
[04:59] <sebest_> Lathiat, i uploaded version 0ubuntu2 for mod_dnssd on revu
[05:01] <jpatrick> raphink: can you run revu-report on lastest kmplayer?
[05:03] <sealne> new dcfldd with sistpoty recomendations fixed http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1804
[05:06] <raphink> jpatrick: yep
[05:06] <jpatrick> thanks
[05:06] <raphink> jpatrick: running now
[05:09] <raphink> siretart: do you think revu-report could be run automatically for each upload?
[05:11] <siretart> raphink: if you think it is save to do so, we can install it in hook.d
[05:11] <raphink> siretart: do you have stats on how many uploads we have per hour?
[05:11] <crimsun> siretart: pong
[05:11] <Yagisan> night all
[05:11] <crimsun> 'night Yagisan
[05:11] <siretart> crimsun: I think wpasupplicant is ready for upload, care to look at the svn and add yourself to uploaders?
[05:12] <siretart> raphink: I get an email for every upload, and every upload gets reported to the mailing list
[05:12] <raphink> yes that's right
[05:12] <crimsun> siretart: terribly busy lately, but I'll try to look after lectures today
[05:12] <raphink> :)
[05:13] <siretart> crimsun: no problem. Just wanted to keep you updated
[05:13] <siretart> crimsun: you don't have changes to the package pending, do you?
[05:13] <raphink> siretart: I think there is about 1 update per hour, which is quite ok to run a build on each
[05:14] <siretart> raphink: I don't want to build every unchecked package unconditionally
[05:14] <raphink> siretart: ok
[05:14] <crimsun> siretart: not really. I've got a couple TLS issues that were fixed in 0.4.8, so I'm considering backporting them, but they're not mission-critical for the vast majority of users
[05:14] <siretart> raphink: you know, building a package is effectively running untrusted commands as root, and we don't really do require 'trusted' keys in the keyring
[05:14] <raphink> good point
[05:15] <siretart> crimsun: I see. After this upload (to happen today or tomorrow), I intended to upgrade it to 0.4.8 anyway
[05:15] <raphink> siretart: how about having (for REVU2) a button on REVU to allow reviewers to run it ?
[05:15] <siretart> but I wanted 0.4.7 in etch/testing first
[05:15] <siretart> raphink: good idea, and already planned
[05:15] <raphink> siretart: oh great :)
[05:15] <crimsun> siretart: sure, that sounds like a plan since 0_4 is the stable branch
[05:15] <raphink> siretart: my idea then it to have a button with a field
[05:16] <raphink> siretart: the field could be used to give an (optional) url to the upstream tarball
[05:18] <siretart> raphink: perhaps we can do even pre acceptance test. if package fails basic sanity checks, reject it with explanation to the submitter before showing it to reviewers
[05:18] <raphink> siretart: that seems like a good idea
[05:19] <raphink> I guess I should get more involved in REVU2 maybe
[05:19] <siretart> sure, the svn is open for all
[05:19] <siretart> I don't find time hacking on it :(
[05:19] <raphink> :s
[05:27] <lucas> hey, any news regarding sync requests ? I still have a lot of them submitted but not processed
[05:30] <dholbach> lucas: I'm sure elmo would notify you.
[05:31] <lucas> yeah, but I'm just concerned that it's taking so long (more than 2 weeks in my case)
[05:32] <raphink> lucas: I've uploaded revu-tools more than a week ago, let elmo know that it was _urgent_
[05:32] <raphink> and it hasn't been built yet
[05:32] <raphink> although I've pinged him about this several times since
[05:33] <lucas> ok
[05:33] <lucas> so let's just wait
[05:33] <lucas> and not discuss ubuntu's infrastructure problems again :-)
[05:33] <raphink> hehe
[05:36] <raphink> ok
[05:37] <raphink> siretart: revu-tools 0.4 is still not in universe
[05:37] <raphink> siretart: but it fixes a few minor bugs, so maybe I should get it in the svn
[05:37] <raphink> what do you think?
[05:40] <raphink> siretart: or would you rather install the package?
[05:46] <dholbach> So how's the REVU party going? Any other packages with one vote waiting for a 2nd look?
[05:50] <sealne> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1806 dosen't have any
[05:53] <siretart> raphink: I think better directly edit/update the binaries, and lets don't install the package at all for now
[05:53] <raphink> ok
[05:53] <raphink> siretart: then I'll adapt 0.4 for revu
[05:53] <raphink> and I'll put them in the svn
[05:53] <siretart> ok
[05:53] <raphink> if that's fine
[05:54] <siretart> yes, sure
[05:54] <dholbach> libgtk2-sourcview-perl looks good
[06:01] <raphink> siretart: commiting now
[06:01] <raphink> :)
[06:01] <raphink> oops
[06:02] <dholbach> sealne: looks good
[06:05] <siretart> raphink: really annoying that revu is checked out under my uid :/
[06:05] <raphink> :s
[06:06] <raphink> siretart: how do you mean?
[06:07] <sealne> dholbach: thanks for looking
[06:07] <dholbach> de rien
[06:08] <siretart> raphink: well, currently I'm the only one who can do a 'svn update'
[06:08] <sealne> dholbach: i think you commented on the wrong one?
[06:08] <dholbach> uhm
[06:08] <dholbach> sealne: which one was it? which source package?
[06:08] <sealne> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1806
[06:08] <raphink> dholbach: meaning you commented an old upload
[06:08] <raphink> not the current one ;)
[06:08] <sealne> you commented on 1804
[06:09] <raphink> it's taking hours to commit the svn :s
[06:09] <dholbach> right
[06:09] <jpatrick> sealne: looks good to me too :)
[06:10] <raphink> jpatrick: is your key allowed on ubuntu already?
[06:10] <jpatrick> raphink: looks like it
[06:10] <raphink> seeing how busy elmo is lately, I doubt so :(
[06:10] <raphink> really?
[06:10] <sealne> dholbach: you commented again on the previous one
[06:10] <raphink> hehe
[06:12] <jpatrick> raphink: https://launchpad.net/people/jeremie-corbier/+packages <- I uploaded that for him
[06:12] <jpatrick> hello freeflying
[06:12] <raphink> great :)
[06:13] <jpatrick> just doesn't appear in dapper-changes
[06:14] <raphink> jpatrick: it has to go through NEW
[06:14] <jpatrick> that's what I thought
[06:14] <raphink> so elmo still has to review it
[06:14] <raphink> before it goes to dapper-changes
[06:14] <raphink> that''s were revu-tools has been stuck for a week :(
[06:14] <jpatrick> raphink: so has my kcontrol-kdmtheme
[06:14] <raphink> siretart: svn seems to be stuck somehow
[06:14] <raphink> jpatrick: :s
[06:14] <jpatrick> dholbach: are you uploading?
[06:15] <dholbach> jpatrick: which one?
[06:15] <raphink> or revu is just too crowded
[06:15] <siretart> raphink: I didn't get any mail yet
[06:15] <jpatrick> dholbach: dcfldd
[06:15] <raphink> I know siretart , I can't get to commit
[06:15] <dholbach> jpatrick: i'll let you the pleasure
[06:15] <siretart> strange
[06:16] <freeflying> jpatrick: hi
[06:16] <raphink> how uploaded a .deb to revu ?
[06:16] <raphink> s/how/who/
[06:16] <jpatrick> dholbach: ok, sir
[06:16] <dholbach> :-)
[06:16] <siretart> raphink: scp
[06:17] <raphink> siretart: I managed to run a svn update half an hour ago
[06:17] <raphink> but now I can't commit or update
[06:17] <raphink> siretart: how do you mean?
[06:17] <raphink> scp what do what?
[06:17] <jpatrick> dholbach: wait don't 2 MOTUs have to accept?
[06:17] <siretart> 18:16:22 < raphink> how uploaded a .deb to revu ?
[06:18] <dholbach> jpatrick: hm?
[06:18] <raphink> siretart: I mean there's a .deb in /home/ftp/incoming ;)
[06:18] <raphink> which seems rather strange
[06:18] <siretart> raphink: ah, yes, people do strange things sometimes ;)
[06:18] <raphink> hehe
[06:19] <raphink> still not committing :(
[06:19] <siretart> in this case, the uploader didn't read the instructions. at least not the part about uploading with full source (-S -sa)
[06:19] <raphink> yep
[06:20] <raphink> siretart: this for example should be a reject case
[06:20] <raphink> or it is actually
[06:20] <raphink> hehe
[06:20] <siretart> yes. as well as a wrong upload target, or a version number lower than already in archive, or some other cornercases
[06:21] <raphink> ok
[06:23] <jpatrick> sealne: uploaded
[06:23] <sealne> cool
[06:24] <sealne> what happens to it after this?
[06:24] <jpatrick> elmo will look at it and move it to universe
[06:24] <sealne> k
[06:24] <jpatrick> ...sometime ;)
[06:25] <sealne> ...maybe.. :)
[06:25] <raphink> siretart: the svn is really stuck
[06:25] <raphink> siretart: could you check it ?
[06:25] <raphink> or maybe restart it, I dunno
[06:26] <LaserJock> raphink: breaking tiber already? ;-)
[06:26] <raphink> haha
[06:26] <siretart> raphink: restart, I can't see anything suspicious
[06:27] <raphink> siretart: I've restarted the commit 3 times
[06:27] <siretart> hm
[06:27] <raphink> I get a ping from tiber
[06:28] <raphink> quite long one (about 400ms)
[06:28] <raphink> but still
[06:28] <raphink> I run an svn update to check
[06:28] <raphink> but it doesn't seem to do anything either
[06:30] <phanatic> hi people
[06:30] <raphink> hi phanatic
[06:31] <phanatic> may i join you for a revu day? ;)
[06:31] <raphink> sure :)
[06:31] <raphink> do
[06:33] <LaserJock> I think that gausssum could probably be nuked from REVU, I took over the Debian ITP and got it in unstable. It is currently on the SyncRequests wiki page *hint*.
[06:33] <raphink> :)
[06:34] <raphink> LaserJock: shall it be synced as NEW ?
[06:34] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:34] <raphink> well then sure there's no reason to keep it on REVU
[06:35] <LaserJock> right
[06:36] <jpatrick> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1634 ?
[06:37] <raphink> jpatrick: yes?
[06:37] <phanatic> this one needs only one more approval: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1757 :)
[06:37] <jpatrick> raphink: just wanted to make sure it was a-okay :)
[06:37] <raphink> how do you mean it was ok jpatrick ?
[06:38] <jpatrick> never mind
[06:41] <LaserJock> so after the REVU day is done will we have a REVU cleanup at all?
[06:44] <jpatrick> phanatic: nice
[06:47] <raphink> siretart: after 15 minutes stuck, what would you think ?
[06:48] <raphink> siretart: svn still won't commit
[06:48] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, thanks for your review of gswitch, but it needs libswitch which is not in the archives yet
[06:48] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: i built it beforehand
[06:48] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: it was installed
[06:48] <Gloubiboulga> oh ok :/
[06:49] <Gloubiboulga> I'll work on it then :)
[06:49] <dholbach> maybe you need to tweak the dependencies to get that missing file
[06:49] <dholbach> i'm not sure - i just built and installed it
[06:49] <siretart> raphink: do you commit via local or via ssh?
[06:49] <raphink> siretart: ssh
[06:50] <raphink> and the ssh works fine with tiber
[06:50] <raphink> I'm using it currently
[06:50] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga :)
[06:51] <Gloubiboulga> hello phanatic :)
[06:51] <raphink> siretart: I agree it could be easier locally ;)
[06:51] <phanatic> raphink: thanks for uploading libgtk2-sourceview-perl :)
[06:51] <raphink> it's not uploaded yet
[06:52] <raphink> now it is phanatic
[06:52] <phanatic> raphink: :)
[06:52] <phanatic> jpatrick: thanks for your approval too
[06:52] <jpatrick> raphink: wow I almost uploaded
[06:53] <raphink> too late jpatrick ;)
[06:53] <siretart> raphink: scp your changes to tiber, and commit from there
[06:53] <jpatrick> ;)
[06:53] <raphink> jpatrick: did you upload dcfldd ?
[06:53] <raphink> siretart: yes I'll do that
[06:53] <jpatrick> raphink: yes
[06:53] <raphink> jpatrick: can you archive it then?
[06:53] <jpatrick> yes, sir
[06:56] <raphink> siretart: scp gets stuck too! lol
[06:56] <raphink> there's a pb somewhere ...
[06:56] <raphink> if it's not with tiber, it's with my machine
[06:57] <raphink> ssh works fine, but scp doesn't :s
[06:58] <siretart> raphink: that explains at least why svn got stuck ;)
[06:58] <phanatic> can i help your work with something? or shall i just sit and create packages? :D
[06:58] <raphink> indeed
[06:58] <raphink> siretart: the funny thing is that it does it both ways
[06:58] <raphink> phanatic: you can review packages if you want :)
[06:59] <raphink> and send your comments by email
[06:59] <raphink> I'll publish them
[07:00] <phanatic> ok, i'll do that :)
[07:02] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, I've changed the location of the script in the netswitch package, that's why gswitch is not happy
[07:02] <Gloubiboulga> it's not a big deal :)
[07:09] <raphink> siretart: at last I managed to commit it!
[07:09] <raphink> locally ;)
[07:11] <LaserJock> how big is a REVU svn checkout?
[07:12] <raphink> not so big
[07:12] <siretart> raphink: I'm quite tired now. can I trust you and just update the svn? ;)
[07:12] <raphink> sure
[07:12] <raphink> LaserJock: right now the svn checkout is 623 kB ;)
[07:13] <raphink> siretart: I take the responsability of my changes :)
[07:13] <LaserJock> not big at all
[07:13] <LaserJock> the doc team checkout is ~200MB
[07:13] <siretart> updated
[07:13] <siretart> LaserJock: revu is just a bunch of python scripts
[07:13] <raphink> oh no it's less actually LaserJock
[07:13] <raphink> it's 481 kB
[07:14] <raphink> siretart: thanks
[07:14] <LaserJock> I see
[07:14] <raphink> siretart: can you just link /srv/revu1/scripts/revu-review to /usr/local/bin ?
[07:14] <raphink> and that'll be it :)
[07:15] <siretart> done
[07:15] <raphink> thanks
[07:16] <raphink> ok dholbach you can now run `revu-review $package [url] ` on tiber from anywhere
[07:17] <siretart> cool!
[07:17] <raphink> that will run revu report on the latest upload of $package and $url will be taken for the upstream tarball
[07:17] <raphink> :)
[07:23] <raphink> testing a bit around ...
[07:37] <raphink> hi seth|lappy
[07:38] <seth|lappy> hiya raphink :) how comes your quest for MOTU?
[07:38] <raphink> how do you mean seth|lappy ?
[07:38] <seth|lappy> raphink, are you MOTU yet?
[07:39] <raphink> sure :)
[07:39] <raphink> since 2 weeks iirc
[07:39] <seth|lappy> oh :D v. nice
[07:39] <seth|lappy> (you can tell I haven't been around for a bit)
[07:39] <raphink> hehe :)
[07:39] <raphink> so you might not know that lucas, tonio and jpatrick are now MOTUs too :)
[07:40] <raphink> :)
[07:40] <seth|lappy> good good :) we need more KDE-leaning MOTUs :P
[07:41] <raphink> exactly ;)
[07:41] <seth|lappy> once I finish my current project, I'll start putting together my app for motu
[07:41] <raphink> seth|lappy: you're a member already, right?
[07:41] <seth|lappy> but one thing at a time for right now
[07:41] <seth|lappy> yes, I'm already a member
[07:42] <raphink> ok :)
[07:42] <raphink> want to take part in REVU day seth|lappy ?
[07:42] <seth|lappy> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1416 << should I remove the CVS stuff since it is in upstream? And if so, should I use a clean rule, or change upstream tarball
[07:42] <seth|lappy> raphink, when is it?
[07:43] <raphink> right today :)
[07:43] <seth|lappy> ah, hehe
[07:43] <seth|lappy> what shall I do to participate? ;)
[07:44] <raphink> seth|lappy: reviewing for example :)
[07:44] <raphink> seth|lappy: you can review packages on REVU and send me your comments and the url of the package on REVU. I'll publish your comments
[07:44] <raphink> :)
[07:45] <dholbach> raphink: i don't have tiber login
[07:45] <raphink> dholbach: really?
[07:45] <raphink> dholbach: I don't think anyone would object to give you one
[07:45] <raphink> siretart, ajmitch_ : any of you around?
[07:46] <raphink> in the meanwhile, you can ask me to run the scripts dholbach :)
[07:46] <dholbach> raphink: I'm not sure, if I need it.
[07:46] <dholbach> raphink: and I try to keep the amount of machines I break/have-to-fix small :)
[07:46] <raphink> haha
[07:47] <raphink> ;)
[07:47] <raphink> dholbach: well you review quite a lot, can be useful ;)
[07:47] <dholbach> raphink: I didn't even want to have a vserver for my new domain :)
[07:48] <raphink> hehe
[07:48] <raphink> wb LaserJock
[07:49] <LaserJock> thanks raphink
[07:54] <raphink> :)
[07:54] <jpatrick> raphink: what's the difference between ubuntu-dev and motu on LP?
[07:55] <raphink> jpatrick: you have to be a dev to be a MOTU
[07:55] <raphink> so when you are a dev you can ask to be a MOTU
[07:55] <raphink> most devs being MOTUs irrc
[07:55] <raphink> iirc
[07:55] <dholbach> ubuntu-dev is the upload rights control (official team)
[07:56] <raphink> seth|lappy: do you want comix to be nuked or archived?
[07:56] <seth|lappy> raphink, nuke it, I'll have to use a different source pkg name
[07:56] <dholbach> we use motu as a team for forwarding bugs to universe-bugs@
[07:56] <raphink> sure
[07:56] <dholbach> we could do polls over the motu team
[07:56] <dholbach> we control it
[07:56] <raphink> nuked
[07:57] <jpatrick> so can I join the motu group? :)
[07:57] <raphink> jpatrick: you just have to ask a MOTU :)
[07:58] <raphink> I'll add you now if you want jpatrick :)
[07:58] <jpatrick> yes, please raphink :)
[07:58] <raphink> jpatrickdavies@gmail.com
[07:58] <raphink> Jonathan Patrick Davies
[07:59] <seth|lappy> mmph, more hours in the day are needed
[07:59] <raphink> this one right?
[07:59] <jpatrick> yes
[07:59] <raphink> not the gmx one jpatrick
[07:59] <raphink> seth|lappy: lol
[08:00] <raphink> jpatrick: please ask ogra to make you an administrator on it
[08:00] <raphink> I can't do that
[08:00] <seth|lappy> raphink, I am working with my company to double the number of staff we have hired, redesign the website, create a new documentation wiki, and a new logo and design, so that takes a lot of my time currently
[08:00] <raphink> dholbach: how come you're deactivated on the motu LP team btw?
[08:01] <seth|lappy> so I need more time in the day, so I can work on Ubuntu too ^_^
[08:01] <raphink> seth what is your job and where do you live currently?
[08:01] <jpatrick> raphink: he's on the list at the same time
[08:01] <raphink> oh yes right jpatrick :)
[08:01] <raphink> I had not seen
[08:01] <jpatrick> okay, that is odd
[08:02] <raphink> jpatrick: what?
[08:02] <seth|lappy> raphink, I live in Missouri (USA), and I work for Zathyus Networks, which is based in Maryland (USA), as their general manager
[08:02] <raphink> oh nice :)
[08:02] <jpatrick> two dholbach's at launchpad :/
[08:03] <raphink> how old are you seth?
[08:03] <seth|lappy> just 18
[08:03] <raphink> ouch
[08:03] <seth|lappy> but oh well, it means you'll die from old age first :)
[08:04] <raphink> ;)
[08:07] <raphink> seth did you create the company?
[08:12] <seth|lappy> raphink, no, my friend at the university of maryland did
[08:12] <raphink> when did you join it ?
[08:12] <seth|lappy> but it's paying for both of us to go to college :) with some left over
[08:12] <seth|lappy> umm, Nov 2002
[08:13] <raphink> seth oh you joined quite a time ago
[08:13] <seth|lappy> indeed, over three years now I've been working with them :)
[08:14] <raphink> yep
[08:15] <seth|lappy> alright, class is over. Gotta run :) have a good day all MOTUs and others
[08:29] <jpatrick> is it "3.5.1-0ubuntu1+svn20060204" or "3.5.1+svn20060204-0ubuntu1"?
[08:34] <LaserJock> raphink: btw, you don't have to be a MOTU to join the motu LP team necessarily ;-)
[08:34] <raphink> yes I know that LaserJock
[08:34] <raphink> jpatrick: latter
[08:34] <jpatrick> you have to be part of ubuntu-dev
[08:35] <jpatrick> ok
[08:35] <raphink> jpatrick: no you have to be an ubuntu-dev to be a MOTU, but not to be in the MOTU team
[08:35] <raphink> MOTUs are admins on the LP MOTU team
[08:35] <raphink> there are people who are only approved to it
[08:35] <raphink> and are not MOTUs ;)
[08:36] <jpatrick> right. :)
[08:40] <stratus> dholbach: please review MOTU/UVFStatus when you can.
[08:40] <dholbach> stratus: will do
[08:42] <stratus> dholbach: thanks!
[08:44] <raphink> pfiew
[08:49] <raphink> REVU day generated 56 mails on the ML today :)
[08:49] <raphink> 5x times more than usually :)
[08:49] <dholbach> :-))))
[08:49] <raphink> and it's not yet done
[08:50] <raphink> although in 10 minutes we have our meeting ;)
[08:50] <stratus> was it REVU day or a spammer?
[08:50] <raphink> hmmpf
[08:51] <dholbach> tssssss
[08:51] <dholbach> stratus should do some reviews himself *poke* ;)
[08:51] <raphink> well said dholbach
[08:51] <raphink> exactly
[08:51] <raphink> what did you do for REVU day so far stratus ? :)
[08:52] <psusi> lol
[08:52] <psusi> http://www.flickr.com/photos/86444323@N00/81971182/
[08:52] <dholbach> review UVF exceptions
[08:52] <psusi> now THAT is funny... and hot...
[08:52] <psusi> meeting starts in 10 right?
[08:52] <stratus> raphink: i did the REVU dance
[08:52] <raphink> stratus: cool
[08:52] <stratus> lol
[08:55] <raphink> stratus: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg :
[08:56] <stratus> raphink: oh :-(
[08:56] <stratus> raphink: at least i still have super cow powers
[08:56] <raphink> stratus: where?
[08:57] <stratus> raphink: apt-get |tail -1
[08:57] <stratus> raphink: :P
[08:57] <raphink> ah
[08:59] <lfittl> raphink: please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1811 again
[08:59] <raphink> lfittl: meeting is about to begin
[09:00] <lfittl> k, could you do it afterwards?
[09:00] <raphink> sure
[09:02] <raphink> lfittl: the issue I pointed out was not fixed imo, and can't be fixed by anyone else than upstream
[09:02] <lfittl> raphink: read my comment ;)
[09:02] <raphink> I'll think about it
[09:03] <raphink> yes FF is soon that is right
[09:03] <raphink> but a copyright issue is a major one to my opinon
[09:03] <raphink> and as it is, we do not know under what terms these files are released
[09:04] <lfittl> well, I am sure upstream wanted them to be under the GPL, and just forgot to add the gpl header
[09:05] <raphink> well I happened to find weird things in codes sometimes
[09:05] <raphink> FF is in a week
[09:05] <raphink> maybe I can review this package now
[09:05] <raphink> and wait a bit for an answer
[09:05] <jpatrick> lfittl: you're source contains a CVS dir
[09:05] <raphink> if you don't get an answer quick enough, we'll release it
[09:05] <pef> hello
[09:05] <lfittl> jpatrick: upstream issue, I know
[09:06] <lfittl> raphink: k, will write to upstream after the meeting
[09:06] <raphink> thanks lfittl
[09:06] <jpatrick> I usually delete the CVS dirs in the .orig if any
[09:07] <lfittl> jpatrick: that's bad, the only reason to change the .orig.tar.gz is to remove non-dfsg compliant stuff
[09:13] <dholbach> everybody in #ubuntu-meeting?
[09:13] <tseng> oh dholbach
[09:14] <tseng> ok*
[09:14] <dholbach> hey tseng
[09:15] <pef> motu meeting right now :)
[09:39] <LaserJock> anybody know if mdt is installed on tiber?
[10:34] <LaserJock> sistpoty: do you just want me to do it? I can work on it right now if you want?
[10:34] <LaserJock> and then move the Sync Requests content over
[10:34] <sistpoty> LaserJock: that would be great :)
[10:34] <sistpoty> yeehaa
[10:35] <trappist> do I need to register a new product in malone if I find a bug in a package that's not registered as a product?
[10:36] <LaserJock> trappist: did you look under Ubuntu?
[10:36] <trappist> LaserJock: there it is, thanks
[10:37] <tepsipakki> is the revu-day finished already? does someone have time to take a look at gtkpod-aac? =)
[10:37] <LaserJock> trappist: btw, you can search for Ubuntu packages at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+search
[10:38] <trappist> LaserJock: that's helpful, thanks
[10:39] <trappist> next question: the bug I was about to report has already been reported, then rejected by somebody who couldn't duplicate the bug in dapper, but I can.  Is that a new bug then, or just add a comment to the rejected bug?
[10:40] <LaserJock> trappist: you should be able to change the status to confirm and write a comment that you are able to confirm the bug for Dapper
[10:40] <dolson> raphink: regarding qarecord, the source hasn't been touched since 2004.. I don't know the likelihood of upstream complying with your request.. but I will ask
[10:41] <LaserJock> raphink: are you around?
[10:41] <raphink> LaserJock: I'm getting something to eat
[10:41] <raphink> and getting a pause from my computer screen ;)
[10:41] <raphink> I'll be back in a short while :)
[10:44] <LaserJock> raphink: fine, be that way ;-) I'm eating lunch at my computer
[10:50] <tepsipakki> oh, someone already commented on gtkpod-aac..
[10:50] <tepsipakki> the comments also affect gtkpod, I think
[10:50] <tepsipakki> -s
[10:51] <dolson> siretart: there was a typo in debian/copyright in qamix, so I dput the fix
[11:12] <sistpoty> LaserJock: do you have the wiki-page setup already?
[11:13] <LaserJock> getting there , just a sec
[11:13] <sistpoty> ok
[11:13] <ajmitch_> hi all
[11:13] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch_
[11:13] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:14] <ajmitch_> that was expected
[11:14] <ajmitch_> since I have no net access where I'm staying
[11:15] <LaserJock> sistpoty: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/WorkInProgress
[11:16] <LaserJock> sistpoty: is that kinda what you were thinking about?
[11:16] <sistpoty> LaserJock: yes :)
[11:18] <LaserJock> my thought is that when a MOTU has uploaded or requested the sync or whatever for a wannabe then they can put it into the "Done" category
[11:19] <sistpoty> LaserJock: done should be only, if the sync has been made (in guess elmo forget's a sync)
[11:19] <LaserJock> but I don't know how to handle rejections of wannabe work. is that something we need to worry about?
[11:19] <sistpoty> argl... why do I keep putting apostrophes where none belong
[11:20] <sistpoty> LaserJock: we can update the table or put some text to the bugno
[11:20] <LaserJock> sistpoty: my thought was to move it to Done when the request has been made and then the wannabe can remove it from Done when it goes through
[11:20] <LaserJock> that would work too
[11:20] <sistpoty> LaserJock: ok for me as well
[11:21] <sealne> "new" rather than "done" or something?
[11:21] <LaserJock> "MOTU Approved"?
[11:21] <sealne> thats clear
[11:24] <LaserJock> so when a MOTUWannabe has something that needs MOTU approval or at least are working on they can put it in "In Progress" and then when a MOTU acts on it then they should move it to "MOTU Approved" and then when everything is satisfactory for the wannabe they can remove the entry from "MOTU Approved"
[11:24] <LaserJock> does that make sense?
[11:25] <LaserJock> sistpoty: ^^ ?
[11:25] <sistpoty> hm... why not just "in progress" and "done"?
[11:25] <LaserJock> done isn't very descriptive for wannabe's
[11:25] <sistpoty> if it's motu-approved, the motu moves it to done section or makes a comment in the comment section if not
[11:26] <sistpoty> well, we should add some description to it what it's all about :)
[11:26] <ajmitch_> yet another wiki page?
[11:26] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: yes
[11:26] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: got 3 of 3 votes to handle it via wiki
[11:26] <LaserJock> yeah, I guess your right, but I think maybe "MOTU Approved" is a better description
[11:26] <LaserJock> I got very out voted, and I don't even count ;-)
[11:26] <ajmitch_> so anything I do has to go through here, how fun
[11:26] <sistpoty> LaserJock: but then we'll need another section like "sync requested"
[11:27] <ajmitch_> Nafallo_away: ping
[11:27] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: if you don't want that I work on the same package as you, yes ;)
[11:27] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: I think I might just go & work on debian for awhile, they have less rules :P
[11:27] <LaserJock> sistpoty: no, I was thinking if it was requested it would go to "MOTU Approved" and when it went through the wannabe can remove it
[11:28] <sistpoty> LaserJock: but where should my packages go, for which I already requested a sync? to motu approved as well?
[11:28] <LaserJock> sistpoty: you have a point there
[11:28] <LaserJock> your right
[11:29] <LaserJock> ok, but I think we should make a point of removing items from "Done" once they are in the repos
[11:30] <LaserJock> otherwise the list will get unwieldly
[11:30] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: honestly, I think we need some coordination, at least since currently the syncs are on hold... I even keep losing track of only the syncs I've requested
[11:31] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: and malone was considered to be more painful than having to edit a wiki page?
[11:31] <LaserJock> and it is also hard for us wannabes because we are waiting on both MOTU approval and elmo, etc.
[11:31] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: yes, since you don't get a list of all packages that are worked on
[11:31] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: I got out voted ;-)
[11:32] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: that's a shame
[11:32] <LaserJock> well, I don't really even count. I need to just shut up.
[11:33] <sistpoty> LaserJock: you didn't even cast a explicit vote :P
[11:33] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: you do count
[11:34] <ajmitch_> and any sensible ideas should be heard
[11:34] <LaserJock> sistpoty: yes, I said (d), but maybe I wasn't clear enough
[11:34] <sistpoty> LaserJock: oh... right... you said (d) before the poll started *g*
[11:35] <LaserJock> I didn't take forever to make up my mind like the MOTUs did ;-)
[11:35] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:36] <LaserJock> lol, anyway. I'm not sure that we are set up yet to do everything through Malone etc. so the wiki is about the best we can do for the time being
[11:36] <ajmitch_> one of the problems with irc meetings - only those that are there get to have a say :)
[11:36] <sistpoty> and even the one's that are there don't say anything... at least the number of total votes (4?) is very small
[11:36] <LaserJock> I think being able to use REVU for wannabe workflow would be excellent but I think we would need LP authentication
[11:37] <sistpoty> LaserJock: bah... don't hurry me *g*
[11:38] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: yes, that was meant to be done soon after UBZ in november
[11:38] <LaserJock> sistpoty: I'm not terribly good with Python but I'd like to be able to use xml-rpc on LP in the future so maybe I will have to dig into REVU2
[11:38] <ajmitch_> I don't know if the authserver has been opened up for our use yet or not
[11:38] <ajmitch_> wouldn't surprise me if it's still open on RT
[11:39] <sistpoty> LaserJock: I don't think that you can easily get access granted for xml-rpc/LP
[11:39] <sistpoty> but not sure though
[11:39] <LaserJock> sistpoty: not yet, but maybe in the future ;-)
[11:39] <LaserJock> I'm getting the LP mentality
[11:40] <LaserJock> "one day, I'll be able to ..."
[11:40] <LaserJock> :-)
[11:40] <ajmitch_> LaserJock, sistpoty: do you think all MOTUs will have to use this page?
[11:40] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: at least look at it if there is work done on a package already...
[11:41] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: that was the plan, more or less, so there isn't duplication of work, etc.
[11:41] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: although I think Teams manage workflow better
[11:41] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: and for packages that need time to work on them it would be better... otherwise we have the risk that more ppl. work on the same package
[11:41] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: we coordinate just fine on irc
[11:42] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: sometimes I work on packages when I'm not on irc
[11:42] <ajmitch_> I'm talking about the mono team in particular
[11:42] <sistpoty> ah
[11:43] <sistpoty> well, I think we could add s.th. like "mono packages coordinate on irc" :)
[11:43] <sistpoty> in proper english though
[11:43] <ajmitch_> that's just 1 example
[11:44] <LaserJock> we could at least have links to different teams workflow (if they have any). it's just a matter of being able to figure out what people are working on
[11:45] <LaserJock> I keep somewhat of a ToDo list for the Science team
[11:45] <LaserJock> although, I'm pretty much it for what we are talking about
[11:46] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: I understand
[11:46] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: I don't want to make this wiki a holy cow or s.th.
[11:46] <ajmitch_> I appreciate the work that you've put into arranging this
[11:47] <LaserJock> I think that it is mostly useful for wannabes and larger projects that are going to take some time
[11:47] <sistpoty> actually I just had the feeling that with the unmet deps list getting smaller, we will run into coordination problems
[11:47] <sistpoty> but I start feeling that I'm the only one ... ?
[11:47] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: sure
[11:47] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: that always happens
[11:47] <LaserJock> do we have a FTBFS list yet?
[11:47] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: probably not
[11:48] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: I just thought that it's not so bad to just file a bug on a package (which can be done just by email) & say that you're working on it
[11:48] <ajmitch_> like we did for merges
[11:48] <ajmitch_> that seemed to work out ok
[11:49] <ajmitch_> I was very glad to get away from the wiki for merges
[11:49] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: if we could group bugs properly in LP to have a list of all packages being worked on, that would have been my choice
[11:50] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: we also considered (ab)using the merge-list for that purpose, but this will a) lead to work for me *g* and b) might be quite error prone
[11:50] <LaserJock> so should we be reassigning bugs to ourselves if we are fixing them?
[11:51] <ajmitch_> so noone else was willing to take the page you did for merges & reuse it?
[11:51] <ajmitch_> it wouldn't have taken much coding
[11:51] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: LaserJock did, right?
[11:52] <ajmitch_> and he was outvoted
[11:52] <marcin`> hello all
[11:52] <ajmitch_> hi
[11:52] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: so how would it work? with the merges we were able to grep the the title right? how would we do the same for workflow bugs
[11:52] <marcin`> finally I got some free time and want to finish some packaging work
[11:53] <marcin`> and of course got a question to MOTU's
[11:53] <marcin`> I got package that has few optional elements
[11:53] <LaserJock> I'm just not sure how one would populate this list
[11:53] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: it were only 3 votes... maybe we could revote right here as soon as raphink is back?
[11:53] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: you could put whatever was needed in the title & in the description
[11:53] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: or would this be very unkind
[11:53] <marcin`> it's core package and some themes for this package
[11:54] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: no, I don't like having another small vote with few people around
[11:54] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: or on the list?
[11:54] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: as I said, I've still got lots to do in debian :)
[11:54] <LaserJock> I suggested a motu-workfow team but I don't think adding more teams to LP is the answer
[11:54] <marcin`> the problem is that package needs at least one theme to work but there is no one 'hardcoded' specific theme
[11:55] <marcin`> so I don't know hot to set dependencies between core package and theme packages
[11:55] <LaserJock> so maybe we need to have the wiki for now while we are discussing/coding a longer term solution?
[11:55] <marcin`> could someone help me and tell how resolve this problem?
[11:55] <sistpoty> LaserJock: the list could get populated by a special bug-title
[11:55] <ajmitch_> marcin`: each theme could provide package-theme, and the main package depend on that
[11:55] <ajmitch_> though you'd want the dep to be real | virtual
[11:56] <ajmitch_> or you just depend on theme1 | theme2 | theme3
[11:56] <marcin`> ok but then how to make apt to install at least one theme?
[11:57] <ajmitch_> just as I said
[11:57] <LaserJock> sistpoty: ok, so what  .py files should I be looking at on tiber?
[11:57] <ajmitch_> dependencies
[11:57] <marcin`> ajmitch_: hmm I need to test it...
[11:57] <sistpoty> LaserJock: erm... what exactly do you want to look at?
[11:58] <LaserJock> sistpoty: what it would take to make a list using a special bug title flag
[11:59] <sistpoty> LaserJock: that's easy... grab the bzr from http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/mergeWebTool
[11:59] <LaserJock> sistpoty: not that I know what I'm doing, but I would be interested in poking around
[11:59] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: just some simple python code to parse
[11:59] <LaserJock> sistpoty: a thanks
[11:59] <sistpoty> LaserJock: I'll tell you which script exactly... as soon as I've found out myself *g*
[12:00] <sistpoty> LaserJock: scripts/parseEMail.py
[12:00] <LaserJock> sistpoty: ok, I see it
[12:01] <sistpoty> LaserJock: regex_subject/regex_subject_libstdc would need to be adjusted, but that's pretty much all
[12:02] <sistpoty> LaserJock: oh, and right at the beginning: class DBCallback should insert an entry if it's not in there... otherwise we'd need a list of all packages that need work beforehand
[12:02] <LaserJock> ok