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| fabbione | morning | 05:51 |
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| nictuku | hi fabbione | 05:58 |
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| nictuku | fabbione, i'm a volunteer developer of a network wide updates tool for ubuntu, temporarily named "nwu". Is there any chance that it is considered for being distributed in main at dapper+1? | 06:05 |
| fabbione | nictuku: you need to talk with mvo | 06:06 |
| fabbione | he is/was in charge of that Spec iirc | 06:06 |
| nictuku | Nice. thank you | 06:07 |
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| -IMRMooW:#ubuntu-server- New game started, http://sre.servegame.com : This is a webgame based on SOLAR REALMS ELITE, a famous BBS game back in 1992 (Earth2025/BRE fans are welcome) | 07:22 | |
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| acehunky | hello | 08:01 |
| acehunky | is there any howto on building custom Ubuntu Server Edition distro? | 08:03 |
| fabbione | acehunky: it's the same procedure as getting a custom image for desktop | 08:06 |
| fabbione | there is something written up in the wiki | 08:06 |
| acehunky | fabbione: through the list of packages i can see, Openoffice and other bulky packages which probably i dont need .. so finding a way to have a completely stripped down version of Ubuntu Server Edition | 08:09 |
| virogenesis | a server install is stripped down acehunky | 08:11 |
| virogenesis | its not apache or anything you have to decide what packages to install | 08:11 |
| fabbione | acehunky: these packages will go away soon | 08:20 |
| fabbione | yes we are aware that there is a bit of junk on CD | 08:20 |
| fabbione | acehunky: i am waiting for Kamion to fix some code that generate the package list that goes on different CDs | 08:21 |
| fabbione | so that we can acutally clean it properly | 08:21 |
| fabbione | but it's not of a big concern at the moment | 08:21 |
| fabbione | it will for sure happen way before release | 08:21 |
| acehunky | ok .. fabbione: i was working on getting asterisk and related packges on server edition .. | 08:42 |
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| fabbione | hey neuralis | 12:22 |
| fabbione | neuralis: ping me when you are around | 12:26 |
| neuralis | fabbione: hey | 12:34 |
| fabbione | neuralis: yo | 12:35 |
| neuralis | fabbione: i'm in a crazy rush, need to split in a few minutes. what's up? | 12:35 |
| fabbione | neuralis: i have been checking some stuff around | 12:35 |
| fabbione | ok.. how long before u are back online? | 12:35 |
| neuralis | 14-15hrs, but i can stick around for 10-15 minutes now if it's important | 12:36 |
| fabbione | ok | 12:36 |
| fabbione | i did check drbd, ganglia and i was looking at heartbeat right now | 12:36 |
| fabbione | drbd is kinda of hair .. it doesn't really work on != x86* | 12:37 |
| neuralis | hmm, yuck | 12:37 |
| fabbione | and there is the major issue that the device can't be mounted on more than one node | 12:37 |
| fabbione | GFS support is not there yet | 12:37 |
| fabbione | that makes it a bit hairy imgo | 12:37 |
| fabbione | imho | 12:37 |
| neuralis | well | 12:37 |
| neuralis | non-x86 is a much bigger problem | 12:38 |
| neuralis | the only-one-mount situation is almost by design; drbd was designed for failover, not parallel use | 12:38 |
| fabbione | i did test ia64 and it farts on missing ioctl | 12:38 |
| fabbione | ganglia packages are utterly obsoleted | 12:38 |
| fabbione | and they are lacking a lot of stuff | 12:38 |
| fabbione | like the web interface | 12:39 |
| fabbione | as it stands i can't take them over or consider to update them to a full new upstream release | 12:39 |
| fabbione | 2.5.7 -> 3.0.x | 12:39 |
| neuralis | hmm. alright. | 12:39 |
| fabbione | next is heartbeat/keepalived/ipvsdam | 12:40 |
| fabbione | pitti is looking into the latter | 12:40 |
| neuralis | if we can find someone to package the new upstream release, do you think the server team can get a uvf exception for it? | 12:40 |
| fabbione | there are no packages around.. even the debian maintainer is MIA | 12:40 |
| neuralis | yeah, i meant package it from scratch | 12:40 |
| fabbione | uvf exception at this point starts to be hard but it is still doable | 12:40 |
| neuralis | okay, i'll ping ivoks and see if he has time to put it together | 12:40 |
| fabbione | for heartbeat i found also heartbeat-2 | 12:41 |
| fabbione | former in main | 12:41 |
| fabbione | latter in universe | 12:41 |
| fabbione | which one do we want? | 12:41 |
| fabbione | i think we should stick with what's already in main | 12:41 |
| fabbione | but you might know better | 12:41 |
| neuralis | i'm inclined to agree, and i've never actually heard of heartbeat-2, let me see what it is | 12:41 |
| fabbione | the difference in packaging is kinda of wide.. a lot of different lives here and there | 12:41 |
| neuralis | ah. they just farmed out some of the functionality to the LRM and CRM: http://linux-ha.org/NewHeartbeatDesign | 12:42 |
| neuralis | this close to feature freeze, i'd just say let's stick with what we have in main. heartbeat-2 doesn't introduce anything that we desperately need, and we can consider it for replacing heartbeat in dapper+1. | 12:43 |
| fabbione | ok agreed | 12:43 |
| fabbione | so we will work out only keepalived and ipvsadm | 12:43 |
| fabbione | the rest deferred to dapper+1 | 12:44 |
| neuralis | sounds good. i'll check around about ganglia, but for now it's safe to assume that's also getting deferred. | 12:44 |
| fabbione | well considering we have no HPC solutions anyway.. i see very little point in pushing ganglia | 12:44 |
| neuralis | it's not really a HPC monitoring solution, though -- it monitors server farms of any kind | 12:45 |
| fabbione | ok | 12:45 |
| fabbione | let see if we can get the new upstream version packaged in a decent way | 12:46 |
| neuralis | yeah. i'll send an e-mail to ivoks in a few minutes, cc you. | 12:47 |
| fabbione | ok | 12:47 |
| fabbione | thanks dude | 12:47 |
| fabbione | have fun | 12:47 |
| fabbione | sorry for taking so much time | 12:47 |
| neuralis | no problem, thanks for all your work | 12:47 |
| neuralis | take care | 12:47 |
| fabbione | you too | 12:48 |
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| Psi-Jack | Anyone here use openldap for nss and pam? | 06:04 |
| Psi-Jack | As root, I can getent passwd or shadow, and see my user account in ldap. I can also login as my user in ldap. However, when I am logged in, I have "I have no name!" as a username, and I cannot, as the user, getent passwd. | 06:06 |
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| Psi-Jack | Okay, next issue. | 06:42 |
| Psi-Jack | Is is possible to get chsh to work with changing the users' shell within ldap? | 06:42 |
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| spike | anybody got anything like hp ultrium storageworks 215 ? | 07:18 |
| spike | googling gave me not even 100 results.. :/ | 07:19 |
| spike | I found some drivers for rh9 on the hp pages, thinking of alienize 'em and see where I can get with that, but it sounds like it'll be a mess :/ | 07:19 |
| fabbione | spike: what the hell is that? | 07:20 |
| Psi-Jack | Sweet, | 07:20 |
| spike | fabbione: http://h18006.www1.hp.com/products/storageworks/ultrium215/specs.html | 07:21 |
| Psi-Jack | I got ldap user accounts working, that even chfn and chsh works with. :D | 07:21 |
| fabbione | spike: does the scsi controller see it? | 07:21 |
| fabbione | if so you have the best driver you can ever imagine (after modprobe st of course) | 07:22 |
| fabbione | that's called tar :) | 07:22 |
| spike | fabbione: they've got windoze on that machine atm, migrating the backup solution to linux. I'll boot a liveCD and see how it goes (that thing isnt even working with windoze but I dont really trust their admin) | 07:23 |
| spike | fabbione: :) | 07:23 |
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| fabbione | spike: well i don't trust windows.. | 07:23 |
| fabbione | anyway tar can make tapes rock and roll | 07:23 |
| spike | I found that thingie mentioned on some amanda ML too | 07:23 |
| fabbione | i know that for experience | 07:23 |
| spike | ok, I'll boot the livecd, see how it goes, and investigate tar and tapes | 07:24 |
| fabbione | the most important thing is the block size of the device | 07:24 |
| spike | unfortunately this is my first experience with tapes | 07:24 |
| spike | but I had to start somewhere :) | 07:24 |
| fabbione | let me see if i can find my old scrpt | 07:24 |
| spike | fabbione: that'd be awesome, but pointers to doc would be even better. I'm referring to the usual tldp and bacula docs so far. if you have anything bookarked I'd appreciate that too. | 07:25 |
| fabbione | no sorry i don't have it anymore | 07:25 |
| fabbione | spike: i had this old compaq tape | 07:25 |
| fabbione | you see them as stX devices | 07:25 |
| fabbione | and i did use tar.. | 07:26 |
| fabbione | the trick was to tell tar to use a block size = to the one on the tape device | 07:26 |
| fabbione | that's all | 07:26 |
| fabbione | otherwise you use tar as you would do normally | 07:26 |
| fabbione | clearly with a tape you need to learn a few more tricks that stuff like amanda & co. will do for you | 07:27 |
| fabbione | but otherwise there is no real difference | 07:27 |
| fabbione | there is a tape util somewhere to format/erase tapes | 07:27 |
| fabbione | food is here | 07:27 |
| fabbione | bbl | 07:27 |
| spike | ok, tnx a lot, have a nice dinner | 07:27 |
| allee | Psi-Jack: Feel free to add a LdapEverywhere wiki page: 1) for login change ... 2) for ch* cmd change ... etc ;) | 07:58 |
| allee | Psi-Jack: I will soon need a such good reference :) | 07:58 |
| Psi-Jack | allee: I think I will, since it seems not to be done, yet. And I got the information off a Debian/Ubuntu help site. The chfn/chsn ldap tools are actually in libnet-ldap-perl's package. | 07:59 |
| allee | Psi-Jack: hmm, nothing in /usr/bin or obvious in /usr/share/doc/libnet-ldap-perl/examples | 08:03 |
| Psi-Jack | The chfn and chsh scripts are in that examples dir. | 08:03 |
| Psi-Jack | http://wiki.acm.jhu.edu/w/Central_authentication | 08:04 |
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| Psi-Jack | Does anyone know what groups in /etc/group are used for access allowance/restrictions to various things in Ubuntu? I'm trying to migrate most non-system-related gid's to LDAP, and would like to know which can be safely moved over. | 09:20 |
| allee | Psi-Jack: I would say only > 1000. uid/gid 100 - 999: They are dynamicly allocated so it maybe that they are different on your hosts. But all gid < 1000 are handled by postinst script for you, so I don't see the gain to move them to ldap | 09:32 |
| Psi-Jack | allee: The gain, is to setup global and localized access/restrictions on a host-per-host basis. | 09:32 |
| allee | Psi-Jack: < 100 are static, so you can create a copy of them in ldap | 09:32 |
| Psi-Jack | Like, the cdrom, dialout, dip, lpadmin, admin, adm, etc.. | 09:33 |
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| Psi-Jack | For those that are < 100 that is. | 09:34 |
| Psi-Jack | So what you're suggesting, mostly, is to duplicate those into LDAP, but keep the <100 gid's in there still? | 09:35 |
| allee | Psi-Jack: I don't know what guid have to be available before ldap is available, therefore I suggested a copy | 09:35 |
| Psi-Jack | Hmm, i see. That is a safe idea.. I don't know if there's any issues with doing that, because when duplicating them into LDAP, getent group shows it as well. | 09:36 |
| allee | Psi-Jack: I would feel comfortable if the would be a way to merge files and ldap group membership | 09:36 |
| Psi-Jack | Hehe | 09:37 |
| allee | Psi-Jack: but it's just that I have not tried (yet). Maybe it works will with just group in ldap | 09:37 |
| allee | s/will/well/ | 09:37 |
| Psi-Jack | What I'm going to be doing, IF I CAN remember it. Is making use of /var/db and making db-hashes of /etc/hosts, /etc/groups, etc.. | 09:37 |
| Psi-Jack | And going with nsswitch of db ldap files, relying more on the less-readable bdb hashes. | 09:38 |
| Psi-Jack | What the heck.. | 09:39 |
| Psi-Jack | Why is cupsys in the dialout group? LOL | 09:39 |
| allee | Psi-Jack: faxes? | 09:39 |
| Psi-Jack | Hmm. Does cups actually have a fax sending feature? | 09:40 |
| allee | Psi-Jack: there are several of them :) Only real problem is that the ipp and the Frontend don't support a required-as-input attribute so one is problem for the fax# | 09:41 |
| Psi-Jack | LOL | 09:41 |
| Psi-Jack | Yeah. That's why I like Kfax. :) | 09:41 |
| allee | Psi-Jack: I wasn't really happy with kfax either (long time ago) | 09:43 |
| Psi-Jack | Oh, it's gotten quite a bit better since probably the last time you've used it. :) | 09:43 |
| allee | I've heart the viewer side was replaced/enhances with multipage support | 09:44 |
| Psi-Jack | excelent. So far, so good on duplication to LDAP, and removing the local user<->group associations from the group file. | 09:44 |
| Psi-Jack | There's kfax and kfaxview, now yes. | 09:45 |
| Psi-Jack | Excelent. | 09:47 |
| Psi-Jack | I just tested it out, making sure credentials would work like that properly. Logged in a fresh new login user, and tailed /var/log/messages, and it worked. | 09:47 |
| allee | kfaxview<return> -> no multipage found -> [ok] -> crash. Nice enhancement :) | 09:49 |
| Psi-Jack | LOL. Wow. | 09:49 |
| Psi-Jack | Heh, I don't have any faxes to try that with. heh | 09:50 |
| Psi-Jack | Heck, I don't even use faxes anymore, myself. I don't even have a rj11-based phone line anymore. I'm all VoIP. | 09:51 |
| allee | Psi-Jack is a lucky guy :) | 09:52 |
| Psi-Jack | It's actually CHEAPER to use VoIP in many cases. | 09:52 |
| Psi-Jack | Considering that, I spend about $20/mo on 6mbit-down/1.5mbit-up cable, with bare BASIC cable from TimeWarner, and roughly $12.22 for 3 months for SkypeIN w/voicemail, and whatever amount I use for SkypeOut per month at about $0.02/min, | 09:54 |
| Psi-Jack | Hmm, dangut,. | 10:02 |
| Psi-Jack | Now I can't load up adept, or kuser, because kdesu is saying my password is wrong. :/ | 10:04 |
| Psi-Jack | Hmm. but when I add myself to the LOCAL /etc/group:admin list, I can kdesu fine again. | 10:07 |
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| allee | Psi-Jack: without being in /etc/group:admin, does the command 'id' list admin for your userid? | 10:51 |
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| Psi-Jack | Well, this is starting to annoy the crap out of me. | 11:24 |
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| Psi-Jack | HAH! | 11:43 |
| Psi-Jack | sudo doesn't consult nss at all! That's the problem! | 11:43 |
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