[12:04] <mornfall> free fonts: it's always either ugly or hard on eyes or not supporting central europe charset or some other problems
[12:04] <mornfall> allee: i think it's legal here to use them for personal-use only
[12:12] <mornfall> what'd you think about http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/installer-draft.png as a general layout of the installer?
[12:16] <Riddell> mornfall: how does that relate to http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/installer-wordwrap.png ?
[12:26] <Riddell> robotgeek: I converted it to non-xincludes
[12:29] <raphink> Riddell: I've just updated kdebase-bin
[12:29] <raphink> Riddell: and I'm surprised to see my patch is not in :(
[12:29] <raphink> Riddell: why is so?
[12:29] <Riddell> raphink: which patch?
[12:29] <raphink> the patch for kxkb
[12:29] <raphink> that I released to fix the keyboard layouts list
[12:30] <raphink> in kde 3.5.1
[12:30] <raphink> :s
[12:30] <raphink> that you approved and tested as far as I remember
[12:30] <Riddell> hmm, good question
[12:32] <raphink> Riddell: this one : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/31274
[12:32] <raphink> hmm no sorry
[12:32] <raphink> this is not it 
[12:32] <raphink> hehe
[12:32] <mornfall> Riddell: the package selector will go into the empty frame in the picture
[12:32] <mornfall> Riddell: the details pane will be on the right of the frame
[12:34] <raphink> Riddell: this is it : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/31165
[12:34] <raphink> and this is the patch : http://librarian.launchpad.net/1566076/kdebase.debdiff
[12:35] <raphink> Riddell: and I remember you told me you wanted to modify it in order to add the /etc path instead of just replacing it
[12:36] <mornfall> whee
[12:36] <mornfall> the per-window opacity setting thing is actually useful
[12:37] <Hobbsee> morning all
[12:37] <Riddell> raphink: looks like I just never uploaded it, how daft of me
[12:37] <Riddell> uploading now
[12:37] <mornfall> (and compositing makes konsole switching screen windows smoother :)
[12:37] <raphink> Riddell: thanks
[12:38] <raphink> mornfall: I get quite a lot of crashes with newly released update-notifier
[12:38] <raphink> and there are some stuff I don't understand
[12:38] <Riddell> mornfall: layout looks fine, but might be better to tell once it's put together
[12:38] <mornfall> Riddell: okey, i'll try doing that :-)
[12:38] <mornfall> raphink: notifier? or the updater?
[12:39] <mornfall> i haven't seen the notifier crash once
[12:39] <raphink> mornfall: since update-notifier seems to fetch the available packages as a daemon, does it need to fetch the sources again when launched? Couldn't it do like the gnome one?
[12:39] <raphink> mornfall: I mean when I launch the updater from the notifier, to make it clearer
[12:39] <raphink> ;)
[12:39] <raphink> indeed, notifier itself doesn't crash
[12:39] <raphink> but updater does, a lot
[12:39] <raphink> Riddell: so are you releasing this patch under #49 ?
[12:40] <mornfall> raphink: maybe-fixed in svn
[12:40] <Riddell> raphink: yes
[12:40] <raphink> mornfall: ok
[12:40] <mornfall> will make a release sunday night
[12:40] <raphink> mornfall: how about the fetch updates feature ?
[12:41] <raphink> mornfall: is it planned to get rid of this step when launching updater from notifier?
[12:41] <mornfall> raphink: that's done by a cronjob in breezy
[12:41] <mornfall> raphink: ah
[12:41] <mornfall> raphink: well, it should be pretty quick if there's nothing new -- and if there is, you probably want it?
[12:41] <raphink> mornfall: no my question is whether it's necessary to fetch updates manually when clicking on the notifier
[12:42] <raphink> mornfall: I, as many people, have about 30 sources in my sources.list
[12:42] <raphink> and it seems to me that notifier fetches the updates quite often
[12:42] <Hobbsee> please dont tell me that someone messed with the knotifications in the default settings...
[12:42] <raphink> from what I can see
[12:42] <mornfall> notifier? it does not fetch anything at all
[12:42] <raphink> since as soon as I installed updates, it knew about it
[12:42] <raphink> mornfall: what does fetch then?
[12:42] <mornfall> the cronjob
[12:42] <raphink> ok
[12:42] <mornfall> and the notifier is sort of smarty :)
[12:42] <mornfall> it watches your cache so if you run apt-get update it notices
[12:42] <mornfall> and updates its info
[12:43] <raphink> so there's a cronjob launching apt-get update as root every ... minutes
[12:43] <mornfall> 24*60 minutes :-)
[12:43] <raphink> yet the notifier in gnome doesn't fetch updates before committing them
[12:43] <mornfall> Riddell: which reminds me, can you check what's the default situation with the apt cronjob planned for dapper?
[12:44] <raphink> just sharing my point, take it or not : mac os updater and the gnome updater for ubuntu do not fetch updates manually when launched
[12:44] <mornfall> raphink: as i said -- it could be disabled, but i don't see much point in it
[12:44] <raphink> and, the main target being the stable (frozen) distro guys, there are hardly any updates once every 10 minutes in the frozen distro
[12:45] <raphink> so the point in fetching the updates right when the notifier detects new ones I don't see either
[12:45] <mornfall> raphink: if there were updates since last apt-get update, it'll fetch them -- good, or if not, there'll be a bunch of HIT responses -- which is fairly quick
[12:45] <raphink> in a frozen distro that is
[12:45] <mornfall> what 10 minutes
[12:45] <mornfall> it checks once a day
[12:45] <raphink> well I'll try and make my point clearer
[12:45] <mornfall> how many times do i need to say that? :-)
[12:45] <Riddell> I'm pretty certain the default it to update once a day
[12:46] <Riddell> s/it/is/
[12:46] <raphink> in breezy, do you have more updates than once a day?
[12:46] <mornfall> Riddell: so the auto-update will be on for dapper, right?
[12:46] <raphink> I think you have updates once every one or two weeks or so
[12:46] <mornfall> raphink: i have updates every few hours (debian sid here) :-)
[12:47] <Riddell> raphink: some people seem to not have it set at all
[12:47] <mornfall> raphink: how much does it hurt?
[12:47] <raphink> yes mornfall, same here on dapper of course
[12:47] <Riddell> mornfall: assume yes, I'll check for certain tomorrow
[12:47] <raphink> mornfall: my point is end users though
[12:47] <mornfall> raphink: again, how much does it hurt
[12:47] <mornfall> raphink: real end users don't have 30 lines in sources.list
[12:47] <raphink> who want to click on the least number of buttons as possible and get the least number of infos to understand, most of the time 
[12:47] <raphink> sadly
[12:48] <raphink> mornfall: huhu
[12:48] <raphink> mornfall: go to the forums and see how many newbies crowd their sources.list with crap
[12:48] <raphink> thanks to unofficial tips
[12:48] <mornfall> raphink: that contradicts your statement about doing smallest number of clicks ;-)
[12:48] <raphink> mornfall: you don't have to agree of course, I was just giving my opinion :)
[12:49] <mornfall> anyhow, i can think about it and i'd say you should file a wishlist on b.k.o or edit wiki.ubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperPackageManager or i forget (take that as a promise)
[12:49] <raphink> mornfall: how so?
[12:49] <raphink> I shall think about it first
[12:49] <raphink> and ask newbies around
[12:49] <raphink> (like my mom, very good newbie tester)
[12:50] <mornfall> good, that'll be more productive than arguing here
[12:50] <raphink> sure :)
[12:50] <raphink> arguing about end user features between devs is pointless ;)
[12:50] <raphink> huhu
[12:53] <Hobbsee> this is weird, i've lost my sound, and my notifications from knotify
[12:53] <mornfall> do you miss it?
[12:53] <mornfall> :-)
[12:53] <Hobbsee> yes!
[12:53] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ artsd
[12:53] <Hobbsee> unix_connect: can't connect to server (unix:/tmp/ksocket-sarah/localhost.localdomain-2919-43f3bd92)
[12:53] <Hobbsee> Segmentation fault
[12:53] <Hobbsee> is what i get
[12:54] <Hobbsee> because then people talk to me and it doenst beep!
[12:54] <mornfall> oh beepy beepy
[12:54] <raphink> Riddell: what is the status of knemo for integration in main?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> yeah, and flashy flashy...
[12:55] <Riddell> raphink: waiting on tonio to send me a default config file that makes it not need loads of manual setup
[12:55] <kiweee> good morning, Riddell 
[12:56] <raphink> Riddell: is there any chance to have it in on time ?
[12:56] <raphink> Riddell: this is really a nice feature :) I've used it ever since he told me about it :)
[12:56] <allee> raphink: agreed!!
[12:56] <raphink> allee: :)
[01:03] <Hobbsee> woo!  sound was fixed with a reboot :)  Hobbsee will not go insane after all
[01:05] <mornfall> having to reboot almost sounds like a reason to go insane
[01:06] <allee> yeah, inserted a DVD -> hard freeze. Power off/on.  I had a hard time to recover from sudden insanity today
[01:07] <mornfall> hehe, in contrast, xorg hard-freezes (need to ssh from other box) here when restoring a konqueror session
[01:08] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:08] <Hobbsee> doesnt sound like dapper's too stable today :P
[01:09] <allee> mornfall: yes, a still working ssh is a pleasure, I couldn't enjoy today
[01:11] <mornfall> is it possible that i'm hungry?
[01:11] <allee> order a pizza for me too
[01:18] <Riddell> hello kiweee 
[01:18] <Riddell> raphink: what do you use it for?
[01:19] <raphink> Riddell: what?
[01:19] <Riddell> knemo
[01:20] <raphink> to monitor my interfaces
[01:20] <raphink> :)
[01:20] <Riddell> raphink: well if you can work out a way to get it to not require loads of user setup by default then we'll use it
[01:21] <allee> Riddell: some laptops here have even customized knemo RMB menues to start stop well known wlan AP interfaces 
[01:21] <mornfall> gn Riddell 
[01:21] <mornfall> i should do the same
[01:22] <allee> Riddell: I thought tonio found a way to preconfigure it?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> night Riddell 
[01:27] <allee> Hobbsee: are you by accident a big soccer fan?  
[01:27] <Hobbsee> allee: no, not in particular, why?
[01:28] <allee> 'your' team still life for some time in summer 200 m from my house :)
[01:29] <Hobbsee> oh?
[01:29] <Hobbsee> my team hey...so i have a soccer team, and dont even know it...cool
[01:30] <mornfall> ha-hum
[01:31] <allee> your as your country :)
[01:31] <Hobbsee> oh, right
[01:31] <Hobbsee> oops...it's still before noon here - i'm not supposed to be awake!
[01:31] <mornfall> http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/installer-draft1.png
[01:32] <allee> he, he, he I didn't know that they have a soccer team either *duck*
[01:32] <allee> Hobbsee: before noon?  then no need to hide.  that's normal at this times!
[01:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:35] <allee> mornfall: is the 'nochanges quit' area a button?   _If_ yes I would prefer just a normal [ no changes quit ]  sized one
[01:35] <mornfall> bah again :p
[01:36] <mornfall> i even wanted it to do that, but it needs some coding to be done
[01:36] <mornfall> so later
[01:36] <allee> :)
[01:36] <mornfall> i'll also do something generic, that is useful for updater too
[01:37] <mornfall> because people keep complaining
[01:37] <mornfall> they don't understand the simplicity of a QVBox :p
[01:37] <raphink> Riddell: Tonio says he sent you knemorc already (although the rest of the kubuntu-default-settings package is not right)
[01:38] <allee> ignorants :)
[01:38] <allee> raphink: [01:21]  * Riddell beds
[01:38] <raphink> Riddell: he says he's working on kubuntu-default-settings again as he told you, but knemorc is ready as such
[01:38] <raphink> allee: a linux dev never really debs :p
[01:38] <raphink> lol
[01:39] <allee> :)
[01:39] <Hobbsee> or goes and gets their car serviced - just dont let me forget hehe!
[01:45] <mornfall> debs?
[01:46] <mornfall> let's see how gnome-app-install improved
[01:46] <mornfall> fsck
[01:46] <mornfall> so it still crashes on startup
[01:46] <mornfall> and upgrading it obliterated my fix :|
[01:56] <mornfall> haha, gnome-app-install uses the split-categories layout too
[01:56] <mornfall> when did that change?
[01:59] <mornfall> bah, it was before me
[02:09] <robotgeek> Riddell: sorry, was away from terminal. Thanks!
[02:29] <raphink> old news
[02:29] <raphink> http://www.linux-magazine.com/CustomerService/Exclusive/2005_Linux_New_Media_Awards.html
[02:29] <raphink> Best Debian Derivative
[02:29] <raphink>   1. Ubuntu 43.5 %
[02:29] <raphink>   2. Knoppix 23.7 %
[02:29] <raphink>   3. Kubuntu 9.6 %
[02:30] <raphink> :D :D
[06:13] <seth> Riddell, I hug you for giving us Amarok 1.4b1 packages
[06:28] <Hobbsee|away> hehe
[10:12] <ubijtsa> did someone have a new kopete here somewhere?
[10:13] <andred> ubijtsa: breezy or dapper?
[10:14] <andred> ubijtsa: 'deb http://andre.duffeck.de/kopete/dapper /' for dapper, 'deb http://andre.duffeck.de/kopete/breezy /' for breezy
[10:14] <ubijtsa> ok - gimme a mo and I'll give it a twirl :) (dapper)
[10:14] <andred> yeah, mooooore testers :)
[10:15] <raphink> Riddell: first step to including klik in Ubuntu : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1821
[10:15] <raphink> Riddell: if you feel like reviewing it
[10:16] <ubijtsa> was there any other KDE bits for testing, like amarok ?
[10:18] <raphink> Riddell: and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1822 too :)
[10:27] <ubijtsa> no apt entry for amarok testing then?
[10:33] <viviersf> Riddell, you use casper to build the kubuntu live cd ?
[10:37] <Tonio_> hello
[10:45] <allee> morning
[10:56] <Hobbsee|away> hi Tonio_ 
[10:56] <Hobbsee|away> ubijtsa: see kubuntu site for those URL's
[10:58] <ubijtsa> Hobbsee|away: thanks :)
[11:09] <allee> raphink: fuseios depends on fuse-module and fusecramfs does not. and aptitude install fuse-module finds nothing
[11:10] <raphink> allee: fuse-module is provided by linux-image-2.6.15-*
[11:11] <allee> raphink: also that it's used for clik can be removed from long desrciption IMHO.  Better add a sentense what fuse is all about
[11:11] <raphink> allee: thanks for fusecramfs though, I'll correct
[11:11] <raphink> hmm
[11:11] <raphink> yes
[11:11] <ubijtsa> right, kopete and amarok being run (and tested) now.
[11:11] <allee> raphink: ok, strange I tought aptitude would list it, but because it installed it does obviously not
[11:15] <raphink> allee: 
[11:15] <raphink> Description: FUSE module to mount cramfs image files
[11:15] <raphink>  This package provides a module to mount cramfs filesystem images using FUSE
[11:15] <raphink>  (Filesystem in Userspace). See http://fuse.sourceforge.net for more infos on
[11:15] <raphink>  the FUSE project.
[11:15] <raphink> is that a better description for you?
[11:15] <raphink> :)
[11:16] <Tonio_> allee: uploading codeine if my access is okay
[11:16] <allee> raphink: both manpages refer to 'FUSE libary options' but no description what they are or no SEE ALSO section to other fuse related manpages
[11:16] <raphink> allee: I don't know what these options are, upstream doesn't provide them :(
[11:16] <allee> raphink: :)
[11:17] <raphink> allee: I'll poke upstream about providing a nicer --help message 
[11:17] <raphink> so I can complete the manpages 
[11:17] <Riddell> viviersf: the live CD magic happens on a machine I don't have access to
[11:17] <allee> Tonio_: I've send a small codeine typo patch to Riddell.  I'll send it to you too (e.g. I'm not Mercante Bohnet)
[11:18] <Riddell> allee: I uploaded codeine
[11:18] <allee> Tonio_: ^^
[11:18] <Tonio_> allee: hehe
[11:19] <viviersf> kk Riddell 
[11:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: if you are okay, I'm making a patch for the kicker system applet, to use $HOME and not system:/home by defualt
[11:20] <Tonio_> that causes realy lots of different issues
[11:25] <Tonio_> allee: can you upload to revu ?
[11:26] <allee> Tonio_: yes
[11:26] <Tonio_> allee: why don't you just simply reupload the codeine with the typo patch ?
[11:26] <allee> Tonio_: Why?
[11:26] <Tonio_> s/the//
[11:26] <allee> Tonio_: [11:18]  <Riddell> allee: I uploaded codeine
[11:27] <allee> Tonio_: so it's done already
[11:27] <Tonio_> ah I missed it ;)
[11:27] <Tonio_> okay, that's because it is not on the REVU page........ no pb then :)
[11:28] <allee> Tonio_: nevertheless thx
[11:28] <Tonio_> allee: ;)
[11:33] <Tm_T> hmm, meeting today, right?
[11:37] <Hobbsee|away> Tm_T: indeed, although it's my tomorrow
[11:37] <Hobbsee|away> warped timezones
[11:37] <Tm_T> Hobbsee <3
[11:37] <Tm_T> whops
[11:37] <Riddell> allee: I included the patch in the upload
[11:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: what issues?
[11:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: opening big files take hudge time cause they are copied in a temp folder
[11:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: in which program?
[11:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: all, like kaffeine, kate, amarok etc..........
[11:43] <Tonio_> open a big file and you will see that it gets copied
[11:43] <Tonio_> kate is a good way to test it
[11:44] <Tonio_> open a 100 MB file with kate and you'll get a good example
[11:53] <Riddell> hmm, would have thought that kate was programmed correctly
[11:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know it is supposed to work with most file, but finally, as the result is important, the best way might be to patch the systemapplet and reporting the issue on kde's BTS, don't you agree ?
[12:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, could well be
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, I'm trying to fix it...
[12:18] <Riddell> Mez: fancy updating the k3b package? http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=9875
[12:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: please do :)
[12:21] <Hobbsee> ok
[12:22] <Riddell> we need some .debs to test before asking for UVF exception, so compile it on i386 dapper for that
[12:23] <Hobbsee> just the k3b sources without the internationalisation and monkey encoding and decoding plugin?
[12:24] <Riddell> oh, i18n too please
[12:24] <Riddell> I've not worked out what the monkey thing is good for though
[12:24] <Riddell> k3b-i18n is a separate package
[12:24] <Riddell> just update it in much the same way
[12:25] <Hobbsee> ok
[12:25] <Hobbsee> ah, yep, right
[12:27] <Hobbsee> urgh, it's a bz2 - i need to change that to .tar.gz?
[12:27] <allee> Hobbsee: bzcat k3b...tar.bz2 | gzip --best -c - > k3b...orig.tar.gz
[12:28] <Hobbsee> okay...
[12:30] <Hobbsee> ah, thanks :)
[12:33] <allee> raphink: fuse* pkgs: should they depend on fuser-utils (contain fusermount -u  for unmounting)
[12:33] <allee> raphink: be warned I've not use fuse yet, so I may be completely wrong.
[12:33] <raphink> allee: that can be to consider
[12:33] <raphink> allee: they're uploaded though
[12:34] <raphink> allee: I've not used it yet either hehe ... I need these packages as dependencies for klik
[12:34] <Hobbsee> good thing i'm using an i386 dapper machine :)
[12:34] <allee> raphink: yeah ;)  Ah, and if I'm right, manpages need a SEE ALSO with fusermount
[12:35] <raphink> Hobbsee: why?
[12:35] <Hobbsee> raphink: we need some .debs to test before asking for UVF exception, so compile it on i386 dapper for that
[12:35] <raphink> mhm
[12:50] <Hobbsee> ah what the heck...lol
[12:51] <raphink> Hobbsee: don't build on your machine then ;)
[12:51] <raphink> hehe
[12:51] <Hobbsee> you want me to build on a windows machine???
[12:51] <raphink> lol
[12:51] <raphink> hmmm
[12:51] <raphink> no :p
[12:51] <Hobbsee> then you might need to send me a machine - real quick!
[12:52] <Hobbsee> cos there arent any other linux ones in the house!
[12:52] <raphink> send you a machine?
[12:52] <raphink> what's the use ?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:52] <raphink> I build on 4 different machines in 4 different places in europe
[12:53] <raphink> ssh powa :)
[12:53] <Hobbsee> hehe nice!
[12:53] <raphink> Hobbsee: if you need proc time, you can ask ;)
[12:54] <Hobbsee> that means i would need to figure out ssh :P
[12:54] <raphink> Hobbsee: figure out?
[12:54] <Hobbsee> how to use it
[12:54] <raphink> Hobbsee: you know how to use a console I presume ;)
[12:54] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:54] <raphink> ssh is only secure remote login
[12:54] <Hobbsee> lets hope so!
[12:54] <raphink> nothing special about it
[12:54] <raphink> you type
[12:54] <raphink> ssh user@remotemachine
[12:54] <raphink> you type your password
[12:55] <raphink> and you're in, logged in a console
[12:55] <raphink> if you've got an account on this machine
[12:55] <Hobbsee> yep, right
[12:55] <raphink> couldn't be easier to figure out ;)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:55] <raphink> wanna try ?
[12:55] <raphink> ;)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> i think i'm ok...but we'll see once it gets to making both at once
[12:55] <raphink> as you wish
[12:56] <Hobbsee> anywa, any ideas on how long this will take to build?
[12:56] <raphink> what machine do you have Hobbsee ?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> 2.4ghz toshiba a10 satellite - 512mb ram
[12:56] <raphink> P4 I guess
[12:57] <Hobbsee> celeron processor
[12:57] <raphink> an AMD with 2.4GHz would be very nice ;)
[12:57] <raphink> ok
[12:58] <raphink> I've got an AMD Athlon 2400+ / 1024 MB RAM here
[12:58] <raphink> 2GHz
[12:58] <raphink> a bit faster imo
[12:58] <Hobbsee> nice!
[12:58] <Hobbsee> i should have given you the k3b then...
[12:58] <raphink> if you feel like building on it
[12:58] <Hobbsee> i'm assuming that i do have to build it in pbuilder, and not just using debuild?
[12:59] <raphink> yep
[12:59] <raphink> you have to use a pbuilder
[12:59] <Hobbsee> darn lol
[01:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:10] <Hobbsee> so test all the debs at once, i presume?
[01:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ?
[01:12] <Riddell> ho	yes
[01:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes
[01:12] <Hobbsee> the debs seem to install fine
[01:12] <Riddell> and put them somewhere so we can test them too
[01:12] <Hobbsee> sure - revu or hyperupload?
[01:13] <Riddell> revu is good, what's hyperupload?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> hyperupload's what i used to use before getting an account on revu
[01:21] <Hobbsee> ok, we have both built!
[01:21] <Hobbsee> now how do i upload them to revu, as hyperupload seems dead today?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> trying...
[01:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and other people:  http://hyperupload.com/download/a5c08d57/Archive.tar.gz.html is the link to the k3b debs
[01:32] <Hobbsee> raphink: see the line above!
[01:32] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:34] <raphink> your link doesn't seem to work for me
[01:37] <Hobbsee_> ok, i'm back
[01:38] <Hobbsee> anyone awake?
[01:39] <Riddell> seems to work thanks
[01:39] <Riddell> upload the sources to revu or wherever then you can go to bed :)
[01:39] <Hobbsee> ok, which changes file do i want to upload?  both of them?
[01:40] <Hobbsee> grrr!  not this problem again!
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Checksum doesn't match for /home/sarah/devel/k3b/k3b_0.12.12-0ubuntu1.dsc
[01:41] <Riddell> are you dput-ing the .dsc?
[01:41] <Riddell> you need to dput the .changes
[01:41] <Hobbsee> dput-ing the *.changes file :)
[01:41] <Riddell> run debuild -S again
[01:43] <Hobbsee> what the hell is going on here?
[01:44] <Hobbsee> damn it!
[01:44] <Riddell> what's up?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> i'd used dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot -k98B2D4F0 on the directories before, to get the sources to upload - now the debian directory has been stripped out of the source tree
[01:45] <Riddell> huh?
[01:45] <Riddell> why would it do that?
[01:46] <Hobbsee> i've got absolutely no idea, but it has on both
[01:47] <viviersf> :/
[01:47] <viviersf> ouch
[01:48] <Hobbsee> very ouch
[01:48] <Riddell> that's somewhat worrying
[01:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:51] <Hobbsee> if i've run a debuild -S on the new packages, do i need to build it with a pbuilder again?  or can i ignore that step?
[01:53] <Riddell> not if we already have the .debs, now we just want the sources
[01:53] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[01:53] <Riddell> did you find your debian directory?
[01:53] <Hobbsee> nope, i just redid the work that i'd done before
[01:54] <Hobbsee> debian directories went fishing in interstellar space, i think
[01:54] <Riddell> spooky
[01:54] <Hobbsee> very - they didnt go into the recycle bin either
[01:55] <Hobbsee> argh!  connection timed out again!
[01:56] <Hobbsee> i'm beginnign to believe that this thing hates me :P
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i hate to be a further pain, but is that server still around?  the xavier firefly one, or whatever it was?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> ftp://upload@xavier.firefly-it.com?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> connection keeps timing out to revu, for some reason
[02:02] <dholbach> hello
[02:02] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach 
[02:02] <dholbach> could somebody please add ideas what to do for Kubuntu Bug Triagers on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay for tomorrow?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> heh - someone raise that again at the meeting in 8 hours
[02:03] <Hobbsee> *7
[02:03] <dholbach> It'd be a shame if Kubuntu people show up tomorrow and are lost in what to do.
[02:04] <dholbach> And you know best where the biggest problems are or where people can easily start.
[02:04] <Hobbsee> when's your tomorrow?  is that before or after the meeting hehe?
[02:04] <dholbach> Feb 17th
[02:04] <Hobbsee> how many hours away - it's feb 17 here already
[02:04] <dholbach> So it's BUG DAY already!
[02:05] <Hobbsee> no!  i want sleep first!
[02:05] <dholbach> :-)
[02:05] <dholbach> Sure.
[02:05] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:06] <Hobbsee> it'd be nice if we could fix that media:/ bug that everyone reports...
[02:06] <dholbach> It'll be more about triaging bugs tomorrow
[02:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: which one?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ftp://upload@xavier.firefly-it.com was the link that i was using
[02:10] <dholbach> *Wave*
[02:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that should work, or use revu
[02:13] <Riddell> oh right, timeouts.  yes xavier should still work
[02:15] <Hobbsee> An error occurred while loading ftp://upload@xavier.firefly-it.com:
[02:15] <Hobbsee> Could not connect to host xavier.firefly-it.com.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> gimme a break...
[02:20] <Hobbsee> why's konq whinging now?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> will get that uploaded tomorrow, somehow
[02:36] <Hobbsee> see you in 6 and a half hours!
[03:18] <Tm_T> looks like now it does use gst 0.8 libraries = crashes
[03:20] <Mez> raphink@ fancy looking over the ifolder stuff in revu ?
[03:20] <Tm_T> hmm, I'll uninstall gst 0.8 for test, prolly
[03:20] <raphink> Mez: :p
[03:20] <Mez> raphink ? so, do you ?
[03:20] <raphink> do you want ?
[03:21] <raphink> do you what?
[03:21] <raphink> sorry
[03:21] <Mez> want to look over the iFolder stuff
[03:21] <raphink> ah ok
[03:21] <raphink> hm mnot right now
[03:21] <raphink> I'm getting hungry
[03:21] <Mez> damn
[03:22] <raphink> I'll be back with some food and review your package :)
[03:22] <Tonio_> Mez: I can look at it
[03:22] <Mez> Tonio: cool
[03:22] <Mez> see -motu for links
[03:23] <Tonio_> okay
[03:23] <Tonio_> I'm just waiting for kdebase pbuild to finish and I'm testing
[03:23] <Mez> basically - anything that is in REVU by me that isnt archived
[03:24] <Mez> lol - I've been busy
[04:13] <Tm_T> who's Kubuntu's amaroK specialist?
[04:13] <raphink> Tm_T: for what kind of stuff?
[04:14] <freeflying-ibook> Tm_T: have you a kopete-0.12 package for ppc ?
[04:14] <Riddell> Tm_T: me I guess 
[04:14] <Tm_T> freeflying-ibook: I don't have ppc to do that ;(
[04:15] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: why don't you build it?
[04:15] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: I have not the source package at all
[04:15] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok, problem is, amaroK's configure fail with gst10 some weird way
[04:15] <raphink> ah ok
[04:15] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: get it then
[04:15] <Riddell> Tm_T: amarok isn't ported to gstreamer 0.10 as far as I know
[04:16] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: where can you get it then ?  :)
[04:16] <Tm_T> Riddell: there is checks for it, there is engine for it...
[04:16] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: in the kde svn I guess, no?
[04:16] <Riddell> Tm_T: oh cool, must be new then :)
[04:16] <Riddell> Tm_T: in beta 1 or SVN?
[04:17] <Tm_T> SVN
[04:17] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/557677
[04:17] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: thx for revert back uming , we are still working it now 
[04:18] <Tm_T> but but, there is /usr/include/gstreamer-0.10/gst/audio/audio.h
[04:20] <Tm_T> I wonder, what's the problem with configure
[04:21] <Riddell> Tm_T: --with-includes=/usr/include/gstreamer-0.10/  ?
[04:21] <Mez> Riddell: fancying doing a bit of revu'ing for me ?
[04:21] <Riddell> Mez: actually I was going to go for a shower :)
[04:21] <Riddell> Mez: what needs done?
[04:21] <Mez> ifolder stuff for reviweing :D
[04:22] <Mez> lol - I wannaa get it into dapper before FF
[04:22] <Riddell> sounds complex
[04:22] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, have to try, ty
[04:23] <Riddell> Mez: URL?
[04:23] <Mez> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1781
[04:23] <Mez> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1828
[04:24] <Mez> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1782
[04:24] <Mez> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1827
[04:27] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok, looks like something is going right this time, I think you would like to know results?
[04:30] <Riddell> Tm_T: yes please
[04:30] <Riddell> not that we can get it into dapper but dapper +1 will need it
[04:30] <Tm_T> aye
[04:30] <Riddell> Mez: will do after shower and before flight CD testing
[04:31] <Mez> Riddell, cool :D cheers
[04:34] <Mez> Riddell, do you still have those scripts I made for making an apt-archive
[04:34] <Tm_T> Riddell: good results: *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out): 0x086fdd20 ***
[04:35] <Riddell> woo
[04:36] <Riddell> Mez: don't think so
[04:36] <Mez> Riddell - you used them, to make your signed kubuntu archives... any chance of letting me grab a copy
[04:37] <Mez> ah nvm
[04:37] <Mez> http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14beta1/ARCHIVE
[04:38] <Riddell> Mez: that's just what I was about to paste :)
[04:38] <Mez> :)
[04:39] <Tm_T> Riddell: more info about this coming :p
[04:41] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/557715
[04:41] <Tm_T> weird, huh
[04:42] <Tm_T> maybe I should uninstall gstreamer 0.8 just for test
[04:42] <Tm_T> (and avoid mixing these two)
[04:47] <bobesponja> hey all
[04:47] <bobesponja> is it too late to include packages into dapper?
[05:07] <Riddell> bobesponja: new packages are fine
[05:11] <bobesponja> Riddell: I've packaged openwengo on my kubuntu dapper
[05:11] <Riddell> bobesponja: oh cool, did you geit working?
[05:11] <Riddell> it was quite broken when I first looked at it, a while ago buty
[05:11] <bobesponja> Riddell: I have the deb and the source on my server, shall I post it on the mailing list
[05:11] <Riddell> bobesponja: do you have an account on revu?
[05:12] <bobesponja> Riddell: nope
[05:12] <Riddell> raphink: are you able to give bobesponja an account?
[05:12] <raphink> Riddell: where?
[05:12] <Riddell> bobesponja: ask on #ubuntu-motu
[05:12] <Riddell> raphink: revu
[05:12] <raphink> Riddell: on tiber? or on REVU only?
[05:13] <Riddell> revu only
[05:13] <raphink> accounts are automatic on REVU
[05:13] <raphink> oh no sorry
[05:13] <Riddell> are they? including uploading?
[05:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: little question that both raphink and me are not sure....
[05:13] <raphink> he has to send his key 
[05:13] <raphink> Riddell: but I can't check the accound
[05:13] <raphink> account
[05:13] <raphink> Riddell: if he sends me his key, I could add it
[05:13] <raphink> Riddell: i'll ask about that
[05:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: is a "Copyright holder" section in a debian/copyright a valid replacement or Upstream Authors or Copyright section, or none of them ?
[05:15] <raphink> bobesponja: could you export your key to keyserver.ubuntu.com ?
[05:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: replacement?
[05:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/ifolder3-0602161030/ifolder3-3.4.6044.1/debian/copyright
[05:16] <bobesponja> raphink: ok
[05:16] <raphink> bobesponja: then give me your key ID
[05:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: to me Copyright + Upstream Authors are missing, but I have a doubt...
[05:17] <raphink> bobesponja: send a signed email to raphink@ubuntu.com and I'll add you
[05:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: it needs to have the copyright owner and year
[05:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: I think author is also nice, and in e.g. UK might be required for moral rights but it's not essential
[05:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, thanks for the info
[05:19] <Riddell> so that's missing the year at least
[05:19] <Tonio_> hum, the problem is that there are two different copyrights depending the files..........
[05:19] <Riddell> Americans also like to have the (c) symbol, but it's not required since they joined the bern convention
[05:20] <Riddell> include both then
[05:20] <Tonio_> 2004 and 2005... maybe resuming to 2004-2005 is a solution ?
[05:20] <Riddell> if they're separate then it should be 2004,2005
[05:20] <Riddell> if it's been worked on cnotinuously then it should be 2004-2005
[05:20] <Tonio_> okay ;), taking notes ;)
[05:20] <Tonio_> it is separate
[05:21] <Mez> well anyways - I've added year and upstream author
[05:21] <raphink> bobesponja: waiting for your signed email :)
[05:21] <Mez> will be uploading after I've made this apt-archive for it
[05:21] <Tonio_> Mez: a: cool :)
[05:21] <bobesponja> raphink: I use gmail
[05:21] <raphink> bobesponja: so do I 
[05:21] <raphink> bobesponja: works great with kontact ;)
[05:21] <raphink> hehe
[05:21] <Tonio_> I was just in doubt because of the sources.... it is a bit specific, not like a standard tarball where the copyright is homogenous
[05:21] <raphink> kmail that is 
[05:22] <Tonio_> Mez: otherwise, the package is good ;)
[05:22] <raphink> bobesponja: write a message, sign it and send it then :p
[05:22] <bobesponja> raphink: ok give mi a couple of minute then, do you have to leave now?
[05:22] <raphink> bobesponja: no
[05:22] <Mez> Tonio_, what about simias and libflaim and liblog4net-cil ?
[05:22] <raphink> bobesponja: I'm staying here
[05:23] <Tonio_> Mez: I didn't check them all....
[05:23] <Mez> lol
[05:23] <Mez> damn
[05:23] <Tonio_> will probably do toonight, lck of time, sorry ;)
[05:24] <Mez> no probelsm :D
[05:24] <Mez> will be uploading everything soon
[05:26] <Tonio_> Mez: I'll revu the 4 package tonight... have looked very quickly to libflaim, seems to be nice after a quick shot
[05:27] <Mez> lol
[05:27] <Mez> kk
[05:31] <Tonio_> Mez: just (c) missing in the copyright section, maybe :)
[05:32] <Mez> thats not really needed
[05:34] <Riddell> people like it though
[05:34] <Riddell> it gives them copyright comphort
[05:34] <Mez> lol
[05:34] <Mez> well meh
[05:37] <robotgeek> Tonio_: have you seen any of the wikepedia wallpapers?
[05:38] <Tonio_> robotgeek: nope, are there good stuff there ?
[05:39] <Riddell> wikicommons might have some?
[05:39] <robotgeek> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Featured_desktop_backgrounds 
[05:39] <robotgeek> nothing very exceptional, but maybe you can see something nice after "art work"
[05:42] <bobesponja> raphink: it's uploaded on ubuntu's keyserver
[05:42] <bobesponja> raphink: 92E37820
[05:43] <bobesponja> raphink: my email is patcito@gmail.com
[05:43] <Tonio_> robotgeek: they are nice, but probably too much "oriented" for a distro's default no ?
[05:43] <Tonio_> we can put animals or something, probably something more generic...
[05:43] <robotgeek> Tonio_: i also looked at www.caedes.net
[05:43] <Tonio_> robotgeek: sure :)
[05:43] <raphink> gpg: key 92E37820: no valid user IDs
[05:44] <raphink> bobesponja: please send me a signed message with this key
[05:44] <robotgeek> i found a photo of a nice green frog, Tonio_ :)
[05:44] <Tonio_> robotgeek: ;)
[05:44] <bobesponja> raphink: yes but kmail says I don't have the program to list my gpg key's, I'm invetigating the problem righ now
[05:44] <Tonio_> robotgeek: same problem to me, not "generic" enought........
[05:45] <bobesponja> raphink: but I just did an upload with kgpg and it worked fine
[05:45] <robotgeek> Tonio_: i'll keep a lookout for something good. 
[05:45] <raphink> bobesponja: just write the message, sign it with kgpg and send it as such however you want
[05:45] <Tonio_> that why I was in love with that green stuff, but the author didn't repond to me........ so no licence, not in dapper.........
[05:45] <bobesponja> raphink: try searching for patcito in kgpg :)
[05:45] <bobesponja> raphink: ok
[05:45] <raphink> bobesponja: I know how to use gpg keys thanks
[05:45] <raphink> bobesponja: I'd like a signed message from you with this key, to check it
[05:46] <robotgeek> Tonio_: i'll keep trying
[05:46] <bobesponja> raphink: ok wait a sec
[05:46] <Tm_T> Riddell: yup, gst 0.10 doesn't work in amarok due autoconf problems
[05:47] <Riddell> Tm_T: what's the problem?
[05:47] <Tonio_> robotgeek: thanks very much :)
[05:47] <robotgeek> Tonio_: sure, we gotta find something nice :)
[05:47] <Tm_T> Riddell: only checks gst 0.8 properly and use those results in with gst 0.10
[05:48] <Tonio_> robotgeek: I really hope ;) the problem is that hebus stuff isn't gpl, and same for deviantart.........
[05:49] <robotgeek> Tonio_: same with digital blasphemy
[05:49] <robotgeek> Tonio_: the guy is just 15, wow
[05:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: how about soft-green.jpg from kdeartwork?
[05:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: looking :)
[05:53] <Tonio_> damn internet down at home............ I may not be there at he meeting..........
[05:53] <Riddell> hmm, quite dark
[05:53] <Riddell> (as I say, Canonical should be getting something professionally made anyway)
[05:55] <Tm_T> what you're looking for?
[05:57] <Riddell> a background image
[05:57] <Riddell> we should have something that blends into the kdm theme too though
[05:57] <Tm_T> ah
[05:57] <Tm_T> svg/png?
[05:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: what version of kdeartwork ?
[05:58] <Tonio_> latest dapper source package doesn't have this one.......
[05:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho, concerning the kdmtheme, any chances to see moodin in main finally ?
[06:00] <Riddell> still need to poke pitti
[06:00] <allee> Kubuntu/Meetings: does it make sense tMakes sense? -> add 'network management' to agenda:  current status, who's working on xy? How likes to work on missing peaces? What achievable until freeze? 
[06:00] <allee> or better discussed here on case by case basis
[06:09] <bobesponja> raphink: http://p80.free.fr/wengostuff/mysignedmessage.txt
[06:09] <bobesponja> raphink: http://keyserv.nic-se.se:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=patcito
[06:10] <bobesponja> raphink: http://keyserv.nic-se.se:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x6D97581792E37820
[06:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31073
[06:10] <raphink> ok ok 
[06:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I like the green based one :) could be perfect with a little "kubuntu" addition no ?
[06:10] <jpatrick> hmm, I got a cloak...
[06:12] <raphink> should be fine now bobesponja 
[06:12] <raphink> bobesponja: try to upload
[06:13] <bobesponja> raphink: thanx a lot
[06:13] <Tonio_> any opinion on that wallpaper ?
[06:13] <bobesponja> Tonio_: looks great
[06:13] <bobesponja> raphink: how do I upload my package?
[06:14] <raphink> bobesponja: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[06:14] <bobesponja> raphink: thanx again
[06:14] <Tm_T> Riddell: aye, configure fixed, now compiling, testing soon if it finally works =)
[06:15] <robotgeek> Tonio_: i think KDE Gears isn't really "fresh"
[06:16] <Riddell> hello incinerator 
[06:16] <Tonio_> robotgeek: you mean ? I don't understand ;)
[06:16] <Tonio_> incinerator: hi
[06:16] <robotgeek> Tonio_: well, it might just be me. but i think gears are boring, and we should probably do something different. :)
[06:18] <Tonio_> robotgeek: well, I globally approve, but these ones don't bore me :)
[06:19] <robotgeek> Tonio_: :)
[06:19] <Tonio_> but according to the colors, green + grey is nice, will feet perfectly with the kdm theme, and different from that "always blue"
[06:19] <robotgeek> +1
[06:21] <robotgeek> _patrick: /msg nickserv ghost jpatrick <password>
[06:21] <Tonio_> okay, need to go......... I hope to be there for the meeting.........
[06:21] <_patrick> robotgeek: rilliant
[06:21] <_patrick> s/brilliant/rilliant
[06:21] <robotgeek> _patrick: heh
[06:33] <incinerator> hi Tonio and everyone
[06:33] <incinerator> hi Jonathan
[06:33] <hunger> How is suspend supposed to work in kubuntu/dapper?
[06:33] <jpatrick> incinerator: hi (I think Tonio just left)
[06:33] <robotgeek> hunger: i don't think it's directly related to kubuntu, more kernel i think. 
[06:34] <hunger> robotgeek: I think it is a kubuntu issue now...
[06:34] <robotgeek> hunger: really, it works wonderful for me
[06:34] <hunger> robotgeek: acpid fakes a keypress event, that's it.
[06:35] <hunger> robotgeek: It used to do in breezy and for a long time in dapper as well.
[06:35] <robotgeek> hunger: hmm, i am on ppc. sorry
[06:35] <hunger> robotgeek: Nowadays the sleep button is just ignored.
[06:36] <robotgeek> hunger: hmm, i just close the laptop, and it works fine. i havent tried the power button, TBH
[06:36] <hunger> robotgeek: I think in ubuntu they fake a keypress for the gnome-power-manager to pick up and work its magic...
[06:37] <robotgeek> hunger: you are right, it doesn't work with the power button
[06:37] <hunger> robotgeek: closing the lid does not work either.
[06:38] <hunger> robotgeek: at least for me;-)
[06:38] <robotgeek> hunger: that works perfectly for me, with bringing up the wireless also :)
[06:38] <hunger> robotgeek: The functionality itself works fine (by calling /etc/acpi/sleep.sh as root). It is just an issue of triggering it.
[06:39] <robotgeek> hunger: i don't think the apples use acpi at all, i only know of pbbuttonsd
[06:50] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok, looks like gst-0.10 successfully running in amaroK
[06:50] <jpatrick> woohoo
[06:52] <Tm_T> jpatrick: but nice issues with two gst engines =)
[06:54] <Tm_T> looks like no-one ever even tested these two
[07:03] <Riddell> jshadow: hi
[07:03] <jshadow> hello
[07:04] <jshadow> I had a question about the katapult spell checking, is kspell part of another package, I didn't see ay dev packages?
[07:04] <Riddell> jshadow: what's your question?
[07:04] <Riddell> oh, it's part of kdelibs
[07:04] <jshadow> ah ok, that help then
[07:04] <jshadow> I started basing a plugin off of the calculator one
[07:05] <jshadow> for the framework anyhow
[07:05] <Riddell> http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/3.5-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKSpell.html
[07:05] <jshadow> ok thanks
[07:06] <Riddell> if you could do  alt+space then type "spell heelo" and it would give you suggestions on how to spell it that would be very cool
[07:06] <jshadow> ok, now how do you envision the suggestions? In the katapult pop up like the calculator results?
[07:07] <Riddell> yep
[07:07] <jshadow> ok, I'll see what I can do
[07:07] <Riddell> although I'm not sure how easy multiple results would be to display
[07:07] <jshadow> yeah that was my concern too
[07:08] <jshadow> maybe show the most likely, and then pop up a dialog with additional possibilities on enter?
[07:09] <jpatrick> hello jjq
[07:09] <Riddell> jshadow: that sounds good
[07:09] <jpatrick> s/jjesse/jjq
[07:09] <jjesse> hiya jpatrick
[07:09] <jjesse> stupid laptop crashed, hardware failure
[07:10] <jshadow> ok, well I will see what I can do, thanks for the info
[07:10] <Riddell> just got sent this, installing oracle on kubuntu http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/linux/install/xe_on_debian.html
[07:11] <jpatrick> he should really use sudo
[07:12] <jjesse> i use lvm on every install of kubntu that i've done
[07:12] <jpatrick> allee: final verdict on kmplayer?
[07:12] <allee> jpatrick: I had no time to look at it again.  Maybe after the meeting
[07:13] <jpatrick> ok
[07:16] <Riddell> jshadow: tvo is another katapult hacker, may be able to answer any questions you have better than I
[07:17] <allee> jjesse: LVM in combination with which FS?
[07:17] <jjesse> whatever the default installation is allee
[07:18] <allee> jjesse: ext3 afaik  (mount<return> will tell you).   but ext3 FS resizing is still experimental.  So what do you gain by LVM?
[07:19] <jjesse> allee: i don't know the difference to be honest. i was just responding to the question that was posted earlier in the list
[07:19] <allee> 'k
[07:20] <allee> + np ;)
[07:21] <jshadow> ok
[07:28] <Riddell> and OculusAquilae is another katapult coder :)
[07:28] <OculusAquilae> right
[07:29] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: jshadow here is looking at making a spell checking plugin to katapult
[07:29] <OculusAquilae> we already thought about something like that 
[07:29] <OculusAquilae> would be nice
[07:30] <Riddell> I've wanted it for ages :)
[07:30] <OculusAquilae> :)
[07:31] <jshadow> :0
[07:32] <OculusAquilae> https://developer.berlios.de/feature/?func=detailfeature&feature_id=1116&group_id=4243
[07:32] <OculusAquilae> thats our feature request
[07:33] <jshadow> OculusAquilae: ah, pretty much how I envisioned it
[07:34] <jshadow> well I will see what I can do, I have some showings scheduled with my realtor so I have to take off, later all
[07:38] <Tm_T> oh joy
[07:38] <Tm_T> sqlite in amaroK doesn't allow umlauts
[07:38] <Riddell> "realtor", now there's an americanization for you
[07:42] <Tm_T> not fun, not at all, first struggle with gst engines, now even sqlite doesn't work properly
[07:44] <jjesse> why is downloading from cdimage so slow :(
[07:45] <Tm_T> archive.ubuntu.com seems to be down
[07:45] <Riddell> jjesse: it's a busy server
[07:45] <Tm_T> ah now it works
[07:45] <Riddell> jjesse: best keeping an ISO image around and rsyncing
[07:45] <jjesse> better spot to download from?
[07:45] <Riddell> although too many people rsyncing would kill the server
[07:45] <jjesse> i heard that the wiki was down earlier?
[07:47] <Riddell> wiki has worked for me all today
[07:51] <Riddell> power outage in the data centre apparantly
[07:52] <jjesse> in parts of michigan today we have snow and 10 miles south we have lightning and thunder and 20 degree change
[07:53] <Riddell> I doubt london has had anything like that :)
[07:53] <apokryphos> it doesn't -- just very cold now ;-)
[07:59] <Tm_T> ach, compiling amaroK from scratch again
[07:59] <jpatrick> JRe_: are you around?
[07:59] <apokryphos> Tm_T: how come?
[08:00] <Tm_T> apokryphos: new sqlite doesn't understand umlauts, so I downgraded it (svn up -r xxx amarok/src/sqlite)
[08:03] <sealne> anyone know what these errors mean http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/558103 ? i'm having another go at making a deb of kcfgcreator and i get that when i run debuild or make distclean
[08:03] <jpatrick> Riddell: err... something wrong with the site?
[08:03] <jpatrick> sealne: i'm on it
[08:04] <sealne> jpatrick: kcfgcreator?
[08:04] <jpatrick> sealne: you are using the wrong uic
[08:04] <sealne> jpatrick: quite probably, not sure how/why tho
[08:04] <sealne> jpatrick: did you mean you are creating a deb of kcfgcreator?
[08:05] <jpatrick> you're using the Qt3 version of uic
[08:05] <jpatrick> No, I'm not
[08:05] <sealne> well its a qt3 app
[08:05] <jpatrick> wait
[08:05] <jpatrick> other way round
[08:05] <jpatrick> Qt4 uic
[08:05] <sealne> hmm
[08:05] <sealne> wonder why
[08:06] <sealne> -version says "User Interface Compiler for Qt version 3.3."
[08:06] <sealne> +5
[08:08] <Riddell> jpatrick: sysadmin blew up the data centre
[08:08] <jpatrick> okay, that had to be messy
[08:09] <jpatrick> it's back!
[08:10] <JRe_> jpatrick: pong
[08:10] <jpatrick> JRe_: did your Kasablanca packages get to the repos?
[08:10] <JRe_> jpatrick: no, and it's better because Kasablance seems unmaintained
[08:11] <jpatrick> okay
[08:11] <JRe_> jpatrick: the best ftp client on KDE is KFtpGrabber
[08:11] <JRe_> jpatrick: but seems unpackageable because of linkage with openssl
[08:11] <jpatrick> ok then
[08:15] <Tm_T> jpatrick: gst-0.10 engine for amaroK ;)
[08:17] <raphink> lost of things on the agenda for tonight
[08:17] <Tm_T> apachelogger: son
[08:17] <apachelogger> Tm_T: mom
[08:17] <jpatrick> yep
[08:18] <Tm_T> 45 min for meeting?
[08:18] <jpatrick> yep
[08:21] <jjesse> kubuntu meeting correct?
[08:21] <jjesse> i can nver track all my meetings :(
[08:21] <jpatrick> jjesse: yes, 40 minutes
[08:23] <allee> JRe_: add a note in REVU about kasablanca status?
[08:25] <JRe_> allee: Kasablanca is on REVU ?
[08:25] <jpatrick> allee: it's not in REVU
[08:26] <allee> JRe_: oh, sorry
[08:26] <allee> jpatrick: oh, sorry
[08:35] <Riddell> I'm just about to do a quick install, if I'm late for the meeting that's why
[08:36] <jpatrick> yes, sir
[09:02] <Hobbsee> heya
[09:02] <jjesse> hiya meeting @ #ubuntu-metting Hobbsee
[09:02] <Hobbsee> hehe - why else would i be up this early?
[09:04] <Hobbsee> can someone coat me in a bucket of cold water please?  it's too early!
[09:05] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[09:05] <seth> my hands smell like 9, 10-Dihydroanthracene-beta-succinic acid anhydride :'(
[09:06] <Hobbsee> ooh fun!
[09:06] <Hobbsee> better than butanoic acid though
[10:09] <jpatrick> nlindblad: meeting's on
[10:09] <nlindblad> hi jpatrick 
[10:09] <nlindblad> what channel?
[10:10] <jpatrick>  /topic
[10:15] <jpatrick> if I lose my net I'll write minutes from where I lasted to. then I'll do it from the logs online
[10:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i have good news for you :D  http://www.4shared.com/dir/236100/50e07f77/sharing.html
[10:27] <Hobbsee> k3b and the internationalisation files
[10:28] <Riddell> great 
[10:30] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:30] <Hobbsee> not sure why there are no .diff.gz's there - they werent created with the debuild -S
[10:32] <Riddell> did you name the .orig correctly (underscore and all)?
[10:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee: your .orig needs an underscore
[10:34] <Hobbsee> i tihnk so, but i'll check it
[10:34] <Hobbsee> ah...
[10:34] <Riddell> then use debuild -S -sa  
[10:34] <Hobbsee> yep
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: same link, second one is uploading
[10:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: both uploaded, at http://www.4shared.com/dir/236100/50e07f77/sharing.html
[11:01] <Hobbsee> i'll have to have the meetings before i go to uni, or just read the transcripts
[11:02] <allee> Hobbsee: when does your uni start on wednesday? (in UTC)
[11:02] <Hobbsee> uhm....not this wednesday - it starts on the 24th
[11:03] <Hobbsee> but i'll have to leave around 2100 UTC or thereabouts, maybe later
[11:03] <allee> Hobbsee: I hope one hour will be normally enough 
[11:03] <Hobbsee> yeah same
[11:04] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure what the traffic will be like then, and that'll be what it depends of
[11:04] <Hobbsee> *on
[11:04] <Hobbsee> of course, now if i get pulled over by the cops, then it takes longer...
[11:05] <allee> Hobbsee: pay then with Riddell signed Kubuntu CDs
[11:05] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:05] <Hobbsee> allee: or with puppy dog eyes, and saying "please dont give me a ticket"
[11:06] <allee> Hobbsee: form my _own_ experience: It never worked.  Strange
[11:06] <Hobbsee> worked a few days ago...hehe
[11:06] <Hobbsee> but i wouldnt try it again!
[11:07] <allee> Hobbsee: Just try that you have not to try again.  but in case: Try again.  Nothing to loose
[11:08] <Hobbsee> hehe - too darn scary to try again anyway!
[11:08] <Hobbsee> yeah, only my licence, nothing major
[11:11] <Hobbsee|away> seth: hehe @ the notice
[11:12] <seth> Hobbsee|away, :)
[11:24] <allee> raphink, Riddell, all:  the votes/poll were in my opionion a desaster.  Better would be to have a set of StyleGuide guilde lines and try to apply then to KDE apps.  Only exceptions should be discussed/votes/polled and the Agenda should include a short rational why it warrant a violation of the guide lines
[11:25] <raphink> allee: I tried to do my best with a part that was initially Tonio's
[11:25] <raphink> and I don't think it was really a disaster
[11:25] <allee> raphink: you had no chance!  (without more info in the agenda)
[11:26] <raphink> no chance for what allee ?
[11:27] <allee> that other people base their decision on general guidelines.  I had the impression the votes represented 'I use it like this and that should be the default too'
[11:28] <allee> but to get a consistent desktop experience, one has to forget own personal preferences
[11:28] <raphink> allee: it's hard to do it another way in such a short time
[11:28] <raphink> I totally agree with you
[11:29] <raphink> although I think we have come to interesting conclusions
[11:29] <allee> yeap, this was what frustated me. I imaginged how it could be better and realized I will simple not have the time to do it
[11:29] <raphink> * keeping simple click which is default on KDE and not so big a trouble for newbies
[11:29] <raphink> * using dpi as GNOme does
[11:30] <raphink> * using tabs in kopete
[11:30] <raphink> * using moodin by default
[11:30] <raphink> etc.
[11:30] <raphink> all these are good choices imo
[11:31] <raphink> allee: on the long run, for dapper+1, we could be using the Novell's study on newbies of course
[11:31] <raphink> allee: but not during the first Kubuntu meeting, 7 days before FF
[11:31] <raphink> that is not fine
[11:31] <raphink> no time ;)
[11:32] <allee> They all have pro and contra.  And I doubt that most, including me, had the big picture in mind when they voted.
[11:33] <raphink> that may be right allee 
[11:33] <raphink> but taking the time into consideration, there was either this choice, or letting Tonio modify stuff without asking anyone
[11:33] <raphink> of the two options I prefer to have chosen the one we had
[11:34] <amu> raphink: i think solving the basic problems should the the thing where we should work on it, instead of a discussion there are tabs or not 
[11:34] <raphink> amu: I do not agree
[11:35] <raphink> basic problems are indeed important
[11:35] <allee> Everything should start like.  Guideline x and y say this and it's used in app a b c d, e.  But for app w it was proposed to use <that>. <fill the why here>.  It it worth breaking consistency in this <special> case?
[11:35] <raphink> but there are bugs to manage main issues, and teams to work on bugs
[11:35] <raphink> allee: sure
[11:35] <amu> raphink: i got so many complaints about kubuntu. Even setting up you wlan does not work   
[11:36] <raphink> amu: and what do you do?
[11:36] <raphink> amu: that is a fact : kubuntu is not as stable as ubuntu so far
[11:36] <raphink> there is also to be said that Mark said he would make it so that Kubuntu could be a good distro
[11:36] <raphink> yet there still is only one employee working full time on it
[11:36] <raphink> while they're 3 or 4 on GNOME in Ubuntu
[11:37] <amu> raphink: well i said, solving the base problems, should be the first thing.
[11:37] <raphink> amu: go for it :)
[11:37] <raphink> amu: everyone does what they can do
[11:37] <allee> raphink: let's not complain about missing resources.  We need a sort of plan what we would like to have, what we can achieve, etc.
[11:37] <raphink> ;)
[11:38] <raphink> I've been trying to fix important bugs in Kubuntu
[11:38] <raphink> but the KDE bts is such a mess
[11:38] <raphink> it's horrible to try to find patches in it
[11:39] <raphink> + I don't know Qt and C++
[11:39] <amu> raphink: well thats maybe a missunderstanding, mark means with a better kubuntu support, sponsoring CD instead of manpower
[11:39] <raphink> which doesn't help
[11:39] <allee> About setting, Tonio_ thought a lot about it.  So if there would be sort of guidelines, he could simply commit everything that fits and wait if there's too much complain.
[11:39] <raphink> amu: I'm not sure that's what he said
[11:40] <raphink> allee: he'd have changed the double click too then
[11:40] <amu> raphink: nobody, we tried to get an offical answer, there is no comment about this
[11:41] <allee> raphink: global stuff like double click, true or fake dpi,  tabs at top or bottom would be in guideline ;)  fonts on desktop, knemo default setup, etc just commit
[11:41] <amu> raphink: the only thing which is possible, concentrate on fix the basic stuff, than enhance, add goddies 
[11:46] <allee> Hobbsee|away: I didn't now the topic to vote before hand.  So I had some seconds to decide what fits and what not.  At a point I stoped voting
[11:46] <Hobbsee|away> true
[11:47] <Hobbsee|away> more organisation would be good though - maybe have the list of selections to vote with on the wiki page, so people had time to think, and add more as they are thought up