[12:03] <trappist> so I've heard
[12:03] <trappist> I trust they'll get it worked out
[12:03] <Psi-Jack> Gentoo, never had this problem with me. And I installed hordes of fonts.
[12:03] <ryanakca> how do you set the default resolution in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[12:04] <dcwckd> what source do I need for amarok 1.4?
[12:05] <Psi-Jack> trappist: So have you any idea how to at least get GTK apps, like adept, not to use the horrid fonts? :)
[12:06] <luka74> adept is Qt app
[12:06] <dcwckd> ?
[12:07] <francolq> hello, does anybody knows which package has the latex packages verbatiminput and moreverb? (kubuntu breezy)
[12:07] <Psi-Jack> luka74: I just noticed that. I thought it was a GTK app, then I started looking at the ldd output of it, and realized, it uses kdelibs.
[12:10] <SirKillalot> how's the kubuntu screensaver daemon called?
[12:10] <Psi-Jack> SirKillalot: Are you having issues with screensavers not working?
[12:11] <Psi-Jack> They test out, fine, but don't actually work when idle? :)
[12:13] <SirKillalot> right!!
[12:13] <SirKillalot> Psi-Jack, mind reader?
[12:13] <Psi-Jack> SirKillalot: Yeah. And let me guess, you are using KDE 3.5.0 or 3.5.1?
[12:14] <kkathman> my screensavers work fine in 3.5.1
[12:14] <SirKillalot> yeah! go on! don't stop
[12:14] <kkathman> well most of em :)
[12:14] <Psi-Jack> Swarm, and several other kscreensavers are in effect, broken at this time. It's a KDE-specific bug.
[12:14] <kkathman> yah
[12:14] <SirKillalot> whatever, I am using xscreensaver
[12:14] <SirKillalot> it has more beautiful screensavers
[12:14] <SirKillalot> :)
[12:14] <Psi-Jack> Bleh.
[12:14] <Psi-Jack> I betcha kscreensaver's xscreensaver interface is broken, too.
[12:15] <SirKillalot> dunno, I'm using xscreensaver-demo
[12:15] <SirKillalot> but no, the interface in kcontrol is working
[12:15] <Psi-Jack> Oh?
[12:16] <Psi-Jack> Then... What's the problem?
[12:16] <SirKillalot> you aren't that good mind reader...
[12:16] <SirKillalot> it doesnt lock up my PC when idling
[12:16] <kkathman> Psi-Jack: well swarm isnt a KDE bug if it doesnt work
[12:17] <Psi-Jack> kkathman: kswarm.
[12:17] <kkathman> screen saver?
[12:17] <Psi-Jack> Yes.
[12:17] <kkathman> mine is fine
[12:17] <kkathman> works like a champ
[12:17] <Psi-Jack> kkathman: It's an open bug on kde bugs..
[12:17] <Psi-Jack> It tests fine. It just doesn't come up when idle.
[12:17] <kkathman> hmm.. well I DID just update my SUSE box so maybe its ok now
[12:19] <Psi-Jack> BRB
[12:19] <Psi-Jack> Gonna try restarting X again after running fc-cache
[12:19] <dcwckd> what source do I need for amarok 1.4? anyone? please?
[12:19] <kwewu14> is there any way to get kubuntu to show apps other than kde apps in the menu?
[12:19] <kwewu14> aside from adding them myself.
[12:20] <francolq> again: hello, does anybody knows which package has the latex packages verbatiminput and moreverb? (kubuntu breezy)
[12:21] <Psi-Jack> Grr..
[12:21] <Psi-Jack> Nope..
[12:23] <kwewu14> that's fine, i can't find out how to add another menu to my taskbar though.
[12:23] <kwewu14> that's all i really need.
[12:23] <jarlath> Is there any reason to install koffice when I have open office? Is it faster perhaps?
[12:24] <burnninator> When doing 'sudo apt-get update' i get
[12:24] <burnninator> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[12:24] <burnninator> anyone know how to fix this?
[12:24] <mzelem> Anyone know what to do when every time you try to log in to KDE it just reboots, unless you log in to failsafe session? (already tried reconfiguring x)
[12:25] <dcwckd> burn
[12:25] <dcwckd> you need to authorize your PGP keyys
[12:25] <dcwckd> I forget the commands
[12:25] <dcwckd> !PGP
[12:25] <ubotu> dcwckd: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:25] <kwewu14> jarlath: not really, i like openoffice better. kwrite and krita are nice, but you can install those seperately.
[12:26] <jarlath> kwewu14:Okay, thanks.
[12:26] <mnoir> burn - try google for 'public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088'
[12:26] <kwewu14> jarlath: you're welcome.
[12:26] <mnoir> go to the ubuntu forum and learn how to add pgp keys to your ring
[12:27] <mnoir> make sure you want to trust the source - in this case you prolly do :)
[12:29] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty then!
[12:30] <Psi-Jack> Blasted!
[12:30] <Psi-Jack> I was sure that would work. :/
[12:36] <miles> Is there an easy way to fix sound problems in Kubuntu?  I'm trying to get it to work on my IBM ThinkCentre M50.
[12:38] <ace> hi y'all, is there anything better then kuser  to manage users ?
[12:38] <ace> my main problem: adding a new user does not add them to the right groups !!!
[12:40] <Psi-Jack> ace: What do you mean?
[12:40] <Psi-Jack> FINALLY! I got Adept NOT to use horribly huge fonts! Muahahahaha
[12:42] <_ace> psi-jack: i mean what i says ;-)
[12:43] <_ace> how do you deal with that
[12:43] <_ace> add a new user
[12:43] <_ace> he or she can't do sh*t
[12:43] <_ace> you need to add him to cdrom, usb, and lots other stuff
[12:43] <_ace> and NOT to admin etc
[12:43] <_ace> should be a more easy way, not ?
[12:44] <supernix> guys I don't know what happened I was processing some pics on my website then poof all of a sudden everything became unstable and I had to reboot
[12:45] <Psi-Jack> _ace: That's what you do. You add them to those groups. Pure and simple. :p
[12:45] <_ace> supernix yeah these new pics with secret viruses
[12:45] <_ace> Psi-jack: you are *not* user-friendly :-)
[12:45] <supernix> hmmm actually they were karate pics I took that I was processing doing a batch process
[12:45] <Psi-Jack> _ace: Hey, do NOT blame me. This is how Ubuntu is setup, and quite frankly, it's a good way to do things.
[12:46] <_ace> psi-jack: i am going to discuss this with you if you want but I can be a bit blunt, if you wnat say 'i hear you'...
[12:47] <Psi-Jack> I am reading you...
[12:47] <_ace> good enough ;_)
[12:47] <_ace> okay here 's the situation
[12:47] <_ace> i am an ubergeek
[12:48] <_ace> i don't use kuser, i use command line tools to do stuff.
[12:48] <_ace> you are a ubergeek too ? use cl aal the time ?
[12:48] <_ace> or you just a user
[12:48] <_ace> and use graphical interface all the time ????
[12:48] <Psi-Jack> All the time? No. But I am making my own adduser script to handle creating users into an LDAP ldbm.
[12:48] <_ace> u using ldbm for ldap ? gee! :-P
[12:49] <Psi-Jack> No, actually I'm using bdb./
[12:49] <_ace> phew... narrow escape...
[12:49] <_ace> so
[12:49] <_ace> we are ubergeeks, ja ?
[12:49] <Psi-Jack> ldap is considered an ldbm as SQL servers are considered rdbms.
[12:49] <_ace> sure
[12:50] <_ace> let's not go into that
[12:50] <Psi-Jack> But, yes. :)
[12:50] <_ace> but just to enlighten me, what is ldbm expanded (like rdbm is relational database management (system) ?
[12:50] <Psi-Jack> Lightweight
[12:51] <_ace> tought so. Well, there's ubergeeks and ubergeeks :-)
[12:51] <Psi-Jack> If you want, you can always hack the adduser script to automatically add them to various groups, or such.
[12:51] <_ace> but this is not about ldap being 'an ldbm' (gna gna)
[12:52] <Psi-Jack> Or, wait.
[12:52] <Psi-Jack> Nope.. adduser.conf doesn't have anything for that. :)
[12:54] <Psi-Jack> Or better!
[12:54] <Psi-Jack> Make a simple basic shell script to call adduser using -ingroup with your list of prefered defaults.
[12:54] <_ace> yeah
[12:54] <_ace> so youre suggesting 'better ways' then kuser
[12:55] <_ace> and that's good
[12:55] <_ace> since ten minutes ago you said:
[12:55] <Psi-Jack> I use kuser, myself, because it manages LDAP users with complete ease.
[12:55] <_ace> European Network for the Development of Experimental Economics and its Application
[12:55] <_ace>  to Research
[12:55] <_ace> oh sorry
[12:55] <Psi-Jack> I create a user in kuser, it gets injected into LDAP, bam, I login to any of the 20 networked computers on my LAN, and if the homedir doesn't exist, it gets created at login.
[12:56] <_ace> anyway
[12:56] <_ace> you said 'that's the ubuntu way'.
[12:56] <_ace> I like you ldap thing though
[12:56] <_ace> search google for 'qwido'
[12:56] <_ace> or 'qwido suares'
[12:57] <_ace> but i was just contemplating the idea of 'templates'
[12:57] <Psi-Jack> And why am I doing this? heh
[12:57] <_ace> like you could set up kuser in a way where you fill in some templates for ceratin kind of users
[12:57] <_ace> that's needed for your ldap too
[12:57] <_ace> you can inject 'any user' in ldap via kuser
[12:58] <_ace> but you could also inject 'webuser', 'ltsp-user', 'admin-user' etc ...
[12:58] <Psi-Jack> Kuser, unfortunately, isn't /that/ configurable. ;)
[12:58] <Psi-Jack> To setup specific templates for variating "types" of users.
[12:58] <_ace> no that's why i asked the q in the first place,. fellow ubergeek!
[12:58] <_ace> however your sarcasm eloped me
[12:58] <Psi-Jack> luma is a very nice python-Qt LDAP manager. ;)
[12:59] <_ace> there was just a research that 50% of the people misinterpret 80% of the written messegaes for 'sarcasm' , irony etc
[12:59] <Psi-Jack> It lets you create templates, as well. Sorta. ;)
[12:59] <_ace> and that's why flame wars start...
[12:59] <_ace> okay, sorta, how... ?
[12:59] <_ace> good for luma!
[01:00] <_ace> what i want is dead simple (that's not a hex code).
[01:00] <Psi-Jack> The custom templates still make you pick the proper DN to use, but that's about the only limiting factor in it's template constructs.
[01:00] <jerware> is the only difference between ubuntu and kubuntu is kde ?
[01:00] <_ace> one user is a 'user'
[01:00] <_ace> and one user is a 'admin user'
[01:00] <Psi-Jack> jerware: Yes. Basically.
[01:00] <jerware> ok
[01:00] <_ace> and when opening kuser, you can select those
[01:00] <_ace> and add name password etc
[01:00] <_ace> and done.
[01:00] <_ace> I'll make scripts for that *now*
[01:01] <_ace> but I justr wondered if there was more graphic way of doing it
[01:01] <Psi-Jack> The "admin" group basically gives users access to sudo.
[01:01] <_ace> but I guess I have to talk with the kuser developer :-))))
[01:01] <Psi-Jack> But, yeah. kuser doesn't have a nice templating facility, yet.
[01:01] <jerware> are all updates, programs, repositories, kernel patches/updates, etc., etc. interchangable between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[01:01] <Psi-Jack> jerware: Yes.
[01:02] <jerware> nice
[01:02] <jerware> thanx
[01:02] <_ace> jerware: yes
[01:02] <Psi-Jack> Kubuntu uses the ubuntu repositories, primarily.
[01:02] <jerware> is multimedia friendly with kde ?  it is definatly not in fedora,  what about watching dvd's ?
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> jerware: Fedora can do just what Kubuntu/Ubuntu can do. There's no difference of the available libraries required. :p
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> So, yes. Multimedia can be done in KDE, provided with the proper libraries which are available to it.
[01:03] <jerware> ok
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> DVD's would require libdvdcss, for example.
[01:04] <Psi-Jack> Due to .. copyright .. libdvdcss is not available through official Ubuntu repositories, however.
[01:04] <jerware> yea but i cant get dvd playing in fedora, via xine.  i have to provide mrls and stuff and it's a pain in the ass
[01:04] <Psi-Jack> jerware: That is ONLY because you do not have libdvdcss.
[01:04] <jerware> yes i do
[01:05] <jerware> according to yum
[01:05] <Psi-Jack> yum?
[01:05] <jerware> the equivilance of apt-get in ubuntu
[01:05] <Psi-Jack> Ah..
[01:05] <Psi-Jack> Well, I don't know then. Purhaps you're missing the decoder libraries, as well. ;)
[01:05] <jerware> my friend gave me a copy of kubuntu and im gonna give it a try this weekend
[01:06] <jerware> do these decoder libs come with ubuntu ?
[01:06] <jerware> i'll find the libdvdcss on my own
[01:06] <Psi-Jack> Good.. Glad to hear it. I despise everything that Red Hat Software is and will be, and Fedora Core is associated with RHS. :p
[01:07] <jerware> yes, and im not pleased by the fact that fedoras configuration programs are gui.  i prefer scripts to learn bash and scripting.
[01:07] <Psi-Jack> Come with? Yes.
[01:07] <B1zz> when i try to write info to my memory stick for my psp it give me an error saying that the card is full.  But I have i know i have enough space. Any ideas?
[01:08] <Psi-Jack> Memory Stick, B1zz ?
[01:08] <B1zz> yeah
[01:08] <Psi-Jack> As in Sony style memory stick?
[01:08] <B1zz> yes sir
[01:08] <jerware> ubunutu's configuration programs are scripts, correct?  or ran at the shell prompt?  i dont really like GUI's.  gui's to me deprive learning
[01:08] <B1zz> :-p
[01:08] <B1zz> heeh
[01:08] <Psi-Jack> Oh wait! I should have known! PSP == Sony, so.. Yeah..
[01:08] <B1zz> same person that hates FC :-p
[01:08] <ryanakca> how do you set the default resolution in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[01:09] <ryanakca> kedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf         and I do what to it?
[01:09] <Psi-Jack> ryanakca: Order the resolutions in xorg.conf
[01:10] <Psi-Jack> What's listed first, is "default".
[01:10] <Psi-Jack> I would TRUELY love to see 4023x3071 resolution. Damn!
[01:11] <ryanakca> lol
[01:11] <ryanakca> brb... restarting KDE
[01:12] <Psi-Jack> Bleh. Debian. Never will I again.
[01:12] <jerware> why is that?
[01:12] <Psi-Jack> They remain in the stone age.
[01:12] <jerware> it's bare bones isnt it?
[01:13] <Psi-Jack> ubuntu/kubuntu can install a server mode.
[01:13] <Psi-Jack> It will not even install X using that. :)
[01:13] <Psi-Jack> I've been migrating all my workstations and servers to kubuntu, from Gentoo.
[01:15] <mzelem> anyone know how to figure out why x keeps restarting? I can not make sense of the log file
[01:15] <Psi-Jack> mzelem: Restarting?
[01:16] <mzelem> yeah, I log in on the KDE login manager and as soon as I do it restarts and puts me back at the login screen
[01:16] <mzelem> unless I choose "failsafe session"
[01:16] <vge> been messing with .bash_profile? :)
[01:17] <mzelem> no, but I was messing with xorg.conf to try to get my 9 button intellimouse to work right, but I was sure I restored everything back to it's original condition
[01:17] <mzelem> and I also tried reconfiguring x
[01:19] <mzelem> so while I was trying to get all the mouse buttons to work, I installed imwheelmouse
[01:21] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[01:22] <Psi-Jack> Why does DejaVu and Arial look seemingly identicle? :)
[01:22] <mzelem> I changed xorg.conf, and I was following information on a website on how to do it, that told me to make a file called /etc/X11/imwheelrc and another one in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/57x-something-or-other
[01:22] <mzelem> but I undid everything it said and still no go
[01:23] <ryanakca> for reconfiguring xorg... sudo dpkg-reconfigure <whatsthepackagename>
[01:23] <mzelem> oh, but now I see that when I uninstalled imwheel it didn't take out a script file it had put there........
[01:23] <mzelem> and now it works
[01:24] <B1zz> hmmmm vmware good
[01:24] <mzelem> but I still can't get this stupid intellimouse to work right!
[01:25] <ryanakca> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg" doesn' work... I've tried
[01:26] <mzelem> I think it should be 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[01:27] <mzelem> I already had to do that today... I should know :-D
[01:31] <gurpy> hi. just pondering.  is ubuntu or kubuntu used in the corporate world?
[01:31] <gurpy> as a server.
[01:31] <bubblenut> Hi, can I use /etc/rc.local in kubuntu?
[01:32] <Hysty> gurpy: I would think there are a few people using it for server use
[01:32] <Psi-Jack> gurpy: Sure
[01:32] <Hysty> gurpy: there is a development team dedicated just to using ubuntu as a server
[01:33] <Steven_M> hi all
[01:33] <supertijano> Hi
[01:33] <Hysty> howdy Steven_M
[01:34] <ryanakca> how do you go back a page in dpkg-reconfigure?
[01:35] <Steven_M> Does anyone here use thunderbird 1.0.7 under breezy?
[01:35] <mzelem> ryanakca: I don't think you can, but you can always run it again when you're done
[01:35] <Psi-Jack> ryanakca: You don't.
[01:35] <mzelem> Steven_M: I do
[01:36] <Steven_M> mzelem: typing out my qustion for you
[01:36] <Hysty> Steven_M: yup
[01:37] <Hysty> bloody school work
[01:38] <Hysty> *sigh*
[01:38] <supertijano> hysty what do you have to do?
[01:39] <orion_fr_24> !skype
[01:39] <ubotu> I guess skype is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[01:39] <Hysty> currently studying Engineering Mathematics
[01:39] <supertijano> Ouch. Heh good luck with that
[01:39] <Hysty> i have a test that I need to do tomorrow
[01:39] <supertijano> Even better.
[01:40] <Hysty> the worst thing is the module notes dont correspond properly to the current edition of the text book so it is quite a challenge to cross reference
[01:40] <supertijano> Hmm. Did you try the internet? Sometimes that works?
[01:41] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm..
[01:41] <Hysty> Matrices, Quadratic Equations, Logarithmic and Exponential Equations and Trigonometric Functions yucky!
[01:41] <supertijano> I don't know, maybe Wikipedia can help.
[01:42] <Psi-Jack> I'm pondering the idea of not re-install Kubuntu, but .. Literally just copying the current install to my other, primary, HDD instead. Anyone have any ideas on how to do that correctly? There's no specific ACLs or xattr's involved on the filesystems, as of yet.
[01:42] <Hysty> better get back to my summarising
[01:42] <supertijano> Have fun. Heh
[01:42] <Red_Herring> Psi-Jack, its not that difficult
[01:42] <Red_Herring> i did it myself
[01:43] <Red_Herring> it used rsync
[01:43] <Red_Herring> but you can use cp
[01:43] <supertijano> Isn't installing copying from the cd?
[01:43] <Red_Herring> not realy
[01:43] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: Sorta.
[01:43] <Red_Herring> yes, but no
[01:43] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
[01:43] <Hysty> 7 hours before my kubuntu-desktop download and install is done
[01:43] <supertijano> Haha. It seems same to me.
[01:43] <Red_Herring> thats kinda like saying intsalling is like copying from the internet
[01:43] <Psi-Jack> I've already configured the crap out of this current system. And.. Quite frankly, don't care to lose it all, again. I've set it up pretty nicely so far.
[01:44] <Red_Herring> Psi-Jack, its possible to copy it
[01:44] <supertijano> I reinstall every month
[01:44] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: Every month? Why?
[01:44] <Psi-Jack> Linux != Windows man! Stop the madness!
[01:44] <supertijano> It's gotten into a bad habbit
[01:45] <supertijano> blah habit i meant
[01:45] <Psi-Jack> cp -dpR, or otherwise, cp -a, Red_Herring ?
[01:46] <tinin> mi recorder doesn't want to give me back the cd!
[01:46] <tinin> what can i do?
[01:46] <tinin> eject command doesn't work
[01:46] <supertijano> tinin: you mean the cd drive?
[01:46] <tinin> yes
[01:46] <Psi-Jack> tinin: Have you got the drive mounted, still?
[01:46] <supertijano> Isn't there a hole you can put a needle in that ejects it?
[01:47] <tinin> yes it is mounted
[01:47] <tinin> but i can't unmount it
[01:47] <tinin> says its still bussy
[01:47] <tinin> and
[01:47] <Psi-Jack> Why not? It still busy? Because that means you're still looking in it, or cd'd into it.
[01:48] <tinin> where is that hole?
[01:48] <tinin> my recorder doesnt work too well
[01:48] <tinin> i was recording the cd
[01:48] <Psi-Jack> tinin: Get out of the drive, and umount it. Something obviously is still using it. Forcing an eject will not remove it from the mount-tab, and of course, will not solve your problem.
[01:48] <supertijano> On the cd drdive
[01:48] <tinin> it failed
[01:49] <supertijano> It should be, atleast.
[01:49] <Psi-Jack> I thought you said it was mounted!
[01:49] <jerware> who says windows == linux ?
[01:49] <tinin> yes
[01:49] <tinin> i think it is still mounted
[01:49] <Psi-Jack> Which is it? Burning or Mounted?
[01:49] <tinin> i cant unmount it
[01:49] <Psi-Jack> Can't do both.
[01:49] <tinin> mounted
[01:50] <Psi-Jack> Then close all things that still have the cdrom drive mounted. THEN unmount it.
[01:50] <tinin> i entered in the cd to see what was there
[01:50] <tinin> it makes a lot of noise!!
[01:50] <tinin> recursive reading
[01:50] <Psi-Jack> if you have a console/Konsole open that's pwd is in the mount-point, cd out of the mount.
[01:50] <Psi-Jack> It's that simple. :p
[01:50] <tinin> sorry
[01:51] <tinin> not so simple for me
[01:51] <tinin> cause i dont understand you very well
[01:51] <tinin> spanish
[01:51] <tinin> pwd?
[01:51] <Steven_M> my e-mails kept getting marked as read after a single cliick on them. I don't want tb to mark my e-mails as read unitll I have fully opened them, but it continues to do so even after I have unchecked "marked unread after ... seconds"
[01:51] <Psi-Jack> pwd, is a command, stands for Parent Working Directory
[01:51] <tinin> so step by step, please
[01:51] <Steven_M> mzelem: that was to you
[01:51] <tinin> in konsole
[01:52] <tinin> what should i put
[01:52] <tinin> ?
[01:52] <mzelem> k... Let me take a look at the options real quick.......
[01:52] <Psi-Jack> tinin: cd; umount /mount/point
[01:52] <tinin> i put this: umount /media/cdrom1
[01:52] <Psi-Jack> Okay.
[01:53] <tinin> and it says my device is bussy
[01:53] <Psi-Jack> Do you have ANY konqueror windows open?
[01:53] <tinin> yes i'll close
[01:53] <Psi-Jack> I told you to do this a long time back. :p
[01:53] <tinin> sorry
[01:54] <tinin> now it's unmounted!
[01:54] <tinin> but eject doesn't work
[01:54] <tinin> it still has got my cd!
[01:54] <Psi-Jack> You still had a Konqueror open still inside the mount point. That's why it was still "busy".
[01:54] <Psi-Jack> Push the eject button?
[01:54] <tinin> no
[01:55] <mzelem> Steven_M, you still there?\
[01:55] <tinin> nothing :)
[01:55] <tinin> i'm gonna kill processes
[01:55] <tinin> to try
[01:55] <Psi-Jack> tinin: eject /dev/cdrom1
[01:55] <Steven_M> mzelem: my e-mails kept getting marked as read after a single cliick on them. I don't want tb to mark my e-mails as read unitll I have fully opened them, but it continues to do so even after I have unchecked "marked unread after ... seconds"
[01:56] <tinin> nothing
[01:56] <tinin> i've got a problem
[01:56] <tinin> XD
[01:56] <Psi-Jack> It's unmounted, correct?
[01:56] <tinin> yes
[01:56] <supertijano> Maybe it's the cd drive?
[01:56] <tinin> it says so
[01:56] <Psi-Jack> Now you may forcefully eject it.
[01:56] <supertijano> That's the problem I mean.
[01:56] <mzelem> Steven_M: I would say the best way to fix that problem would be to check it and then put a big number of seconds
[01:57] <Psi-Jack> Using the needle, or paperclip, into the eject hole.
[01:57] <tinin> yes
[01:57] <mzelem> that way if you click on it, it won't set it as read unless you leave it on that message for a while
[01:57] <tinin> i'll try so
[01:57] <tinin> i didn't know about that
[01:57] <supertijano> I learned that trick on the internet because my laptop's eject button is broken. :/
[01:58] <Psi-Jack> tinin: You just don't want to force an eject while it's still mounted. :)
[01:59] <Steven_M> mzelem: do you have that problem though?
[01:59] <tinin> hey men, how should that hole look like??
[01:59] <tinin> very little'
[01:59] <supertijano> Yeah
[01:59] <tinin> in the center
[01:59] <mzelem> yeah, but it's supposed to do that
[01:59] <tinin> ?
[01:59] <Psi-Jack> tinin: And for your knowledge, when a cdrom drive is mounted, it LOCKS the try from being ejected until unmounted. This is normal.
[01:59] <supertijano> Probably.
[01:59] <damnhi1> Do I overwrite my old kernel image if I do cd /usr/src/linux && make bzImage install modules modules_install ?
[01:59] <Psi-Jack> tinin: It's the only hole on the drive. :p
[02:00] <JasonF> Is it possible to use a dual-port NVIDIA card to output console to one monitor and X to another
[02:00] <tinin> it still makes noise
[02:00] <supertijano> Did you put the needle in the hole?
[02:00] <Steven_M> ahh dam
[02:00] <Psi-Jack> tinin: You did say you have a faulty drive, did you not?
[02:00] <tinin> and the hole does nothing with a paperclip
[02:00] <mzelem> ?
[02:00] <tinin> yes, it doesnt record well
[02:00] <supertijano> Maybe you pushed it at an angle, or not far enough?
[02:00] <vge> its like 4-5cm deep
[02:00] <Psi-Jack> tinin: You may have to have a long enough paperclip to hit the manual drawer opern.
[02:01] <Steven_M> mzelem: got to go, bye
[02:01] <mzelem> bye
[02:01] <tinin> but the problem is the same with my other drive, with bad cds
[02:01] <Psi-Jack> tinin: This is literally a manual forced eject. heh
[02:01] <tinin> yeah, it's going to fly that fuckin cd
[02:01] <tinin> cause it still spins
[02:02] <Psi-Jack> Watch the language, please.
[02:02] <tinin> well
[02:02] <Psi-Jack> tinin: The forced eject usually only ejects it about 1/2 an inch. The rest, you have to pull.
[02:02] <tinin> i've got it
[02:03] <tinin> but do you think the push button is going to work again??
[02:04] <Psi-Jack> Maybe after you reboot? Who knows. heh
[02:04] <supertijano> Try it. haha
[02:05] <tinin> now i know why your laptop didnt work
[02:05] <tinin> XD
[02:05] <supertijano> Hahaha. No, one of the wires got disconnected in the dvd drive. :(
[02:06] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[02:06] <Psi-Jack> There used to be a CLI tool to lock and unlock the cdrom drive tray. I just can't remember what it was.
[02:06] <luisito> I'm getting this error when I do ./configure :
[02:06] <supertijano> It's like in a plastic foil and the connector is microscopic.
[02:06] <luisito> forget it
[02:06] <Psi-Jack> luisito: Okay.
[02:06] <Psi-Jack> Forgotten.
[02:07] <tinin> thanx i'm going to sleep knowing something more about computers: how to fight against cdrom drives in linux
[02:07] <tinin> forgotten
[02:07] <supertijano> Hahaha. Good one jack
[02:07] <supertijano> Haha, good night tinin
[02:07] <tinin> bye
[02:07] <Psi-Jack> Oh.
[02:07] <supertijano> bye
[02:07] <mefisto> Is anyone else on Dapper flight 3
[02:07] <Psi-Jack> hdparm -w might do it, since it's already in a bad state. ;)
[02:07] <supertijano> It's only 8 here
[02:08] <supertijano> Tinin must be from Spain or something... Oh well
[02:09] <varsendagger> supertijano, maybe italy?
[02:09] <supertijano> Hey psi-jack, how can you tell which version of Kubuntu you're running.
[02:09] <supertijano> He said he spoke spanish..
[02:10] <Hobbsee> supertijano: uname -r will say which kernel you are
[02:10] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: Good question. uname -a doesn't say.
[02:11] <supertijano> Hmm, I know it's not dapper..
[02:11] <supertijano> I'll try uname
[02:11] <mnoir> you might check your apt sources file
[02:12] <supertijano> That would work too, wouldn't it? haha
[02:12] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: BTW, Correct. Spain. Madrid, Spain.
[02:13] <supertijano> Haha. I know my geography.
[02:14] <supertijano> I'm running Breezy Badger 5.10
[02:15] <supertijano> Why does the apt source say restricted? Sounds bad.
[02:16] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: I did a nice whowas on him, and did a geobyte lookup. ;)
[02:16] <JasonF> That makes the 3rd time in a row. I go to do something in kopete, and my system hardlocks
[02:16] <JasonF> I mean cursor not moving, consoles not available, locked tight
[02:16] <supertijano> I saw that his name was like Juan or something, and he said he didn't understand because of Spanish.
[02:17] <mnoir> restricted means less than fully open source
[02:17] <Andy5201987> Hi
[02:17] <Andy5201987> My name is Andy
[02:17] <supertijano> So what exactly is restricted? atp or Breezy Badger?
[02:18] <kkathman> Hi Andy
[02:18] <kkathman> lol
[02:18] <Andy5201987> I'd like to know where could I get the latest deb package for kopete
[02:18] <mnoir> neither - certain packages, drivers etc
[02:18] <mnoir> breezy is a vast conglomeration of over 17000 packages
[02:19] <mnoir> only a subset are installed
[02:19] <Psi-Jack> Andy5201987: Looked at the URL?
[02:19] <supertijano> Oh. Okay. Is that why a lot of applications weren't originally in adept?
[02:19] <Psi-Jack> Andy5201987: Err, topic?
[02:19] <Andy5201987> I have v.0.10.3 of kopete
[02:19] <Andy5201987> but would like a newer one
[02:20] <mnoir> no - the included packages are always a function of what repositories you use
[02:20] <Andy5201987> doesn't really matter to me
[02:21] <Psi-Jack> Andy5201987: Kopete is part of KDE, which KDE 3.5.1 is out, and mentioned how to get at kubuntu.org
[02:21] <supertijano> I mean, I looked for firefox and gimp in Adept but they weren't there. Only the lib files. That's what I don't understand
[02:21] <t3nd0> whats a good kde *visual* ftp client
[02:21] <mnoir> Adept uses the exact same repository config as does synaptic, apt-get
[02:22] <Andy5201987> yea
[02:22] <robotgeek> t3nd0: konqueror?
[02:22] <Psi-Jack> t3nd0: Konqueror?
[02:22] <robotgeek> wow
[02:22] <t3nd0> oh ok
[02:22] <Andy5201987> but I just want kopete, not KDE
[02:22] <t3nd0> i didnt know you could use it as an ftp client
[02:22] <Psi-Jack> Andy5201987: As I said. Kopete is PART of KDE.
[02:22] <Andy5201987> I know what you said
[02:22] <Andy5201987> but I cant update my kde version b/c it messes up the system
[02:22] <Andy5201987> I have kde 3.3.0
[02:23] <mnoir> super - but they are there in apt on the same sys with the same sources.list??
[02:23] <supertijano> I don't like Kopete, personally. Gaim is better I think
[02:23] <robotgeek> t3nd0: it does lots of fancy things, like a bluetooth phone browser etc
[02:23] <Psi-Jack> So in order to upgrade Kopete, You will need the minimal requirements, which is the kdelibs, and possibly more.
[02:23] <Psi-Jack> Andy5201987: Are you even running Kubuntu, or Ubuntu, or are you running Debian?
[02:23] <Andy5201987> I asked at Debian but got no help there
[02:23] <Andy5201987> so I came here for answer's
[02:24] <Andy5201987> what are kubuntu;s repository sites?
[02:24] <Psi-Jack> Andy5201987: Sorry. Ubuntu is based on Debian, but is /not/ Debian. We can't help you with specific debian-related issues.
[02:24] <Andy5201987> can I at least have kubuntu's default repositories please?
[02:24] <Psi-Jack> Ubuntu packages will not work with Debian.
[02:24] <supertijano> OKay, so mnoir, how does it determine which packages to include, and which to leave out?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> Andy5201987: if you use them, you will move from debian to kubuntu.
[02:24] <Hobbsee> !repos
[02:24] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[02:24] <t3nd0> robotgeek, i can't just drop files into ftp folder tho, how do i send files?
[02:25] <robotgeek> t3nd0: copy paste works
[02:25] <Andy5201987> That's fine
[02:25] <Andy5201987> just provide them here please?
[02:25] <Andy5201987> so I can copy them to my repository list...
[02:25] <mnoir> um - the original install has a list of packages to install and the apt/dpkg underlying system uses the dependency info in each package to resolve
[02:25] <t3nd0> robotgeek, THX THX THX !!! :)
[02:25] <mnoir> as you can imagine, it is complex
[02:26] <Andy5201987> I only want kubuntu's default repositories, if that's not too much to ask???
[02:26] <mnoir> in the guis (adept, synaptic, etc) you can see the dependencies for each package
[02:26] <Andy5201987> I know it's something like deb http://example
[02:26] <Andy5201987> something like that
[02:26] <supertijano> Oh.. I think I get it now. Because I installed Kubuntu on my desktop, and firefox was there, but on my laptop, it wasn't.
[02:26] <Andy5201987> then I know to use apt-get
[02:27] <robotgeek> t3nd0: enjoy!
[02:27] <Hobbsee> Andy5201987: see !repos, from above
[02:28] <Andy5201987> can you put them here please?>
[02:28] <mnoir> super - same ubu version?
[02:28] <supertijano> Same cd yeah
[02:28] <Hobbsee> Andy5201987: if you click on the link, it will lead you to the official repos.
[02:28] <kkathman> Hi Hobbsee :)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> hi kkathman
[02:28] <mnoir> hmm - strange - i got ff on every machine i have loaded
[02:29] <mnoir> immediately replaced it with a more uptodate version :)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: i think so too - i'm kinda tempted to flood her with all of them in a private message, so she has to remove the timestamps to add them
[02:29] <supertijano> I found a website that explained how to change the sourceds.list to include a lot more, so I guess I learned something.
[02:29] <Psi-Jack> Andy5201987: Sorry, no. We won't hold your hand.
[02:29] <Andy5201987> ok
[02:29] <Andy5201987> thanks
[02:30] <Hobbsee> not that much, anyway
[02:30] <Psi-Jack> You can go to a website. :p
[02:30] <Hobbsee> then again, it *might* bite
[02:30] <Andy5201987> they arent kubuntu's
[02:30] <kkathman> wow #kubuntu is getting rough
[02:30] <Andy5201987> they are ubuntu's
[02:30] <Psi-Jack> Kubuntu IS Ubuntu.
[02:30] <mnoir> andy - same tree used for both
[02:31] <T3hWiz0rd> come on people, lets all unite... we are all one in the same
[02:31] <mnoir> the only difference ( :) ) is the desktop manager
[02:31] <Snake__> T3hWiz0rd: go away commie
[02:31] <Snake__> :P
[02:31] <supertijano> Haha. Commie.
[02:32] <t3nd0> how do i replace the "k menu" i accidently deleted it
[02:32] <Hobbsee> t3nd0: right click on a spare bit of the panel, add applet, kmenu, add
[02:32] <Psi-Jack> mnoir: Actually, just the installation providing the deskop manager. :)
[02:32] <Snake__> t3nd0: right click your panel
[02:32] <Snake__> ugh........
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:32] <Snake__> dang u Hobbsee
[02:32] <T3hWiz0rd> t3nd0: right-click the panel and add a aplet
[02:32] <Hobbsee> heheh!
[02:32] <Hobbsee> you just need to learn to type faster Snake__ :P  :D
[02:32] <T3hWiz0rd> Hobbsee: im a slow typer lol
[02:32] <LeeJunFan> one more time: right click the panel.
[02:32] <LeeJunFan> anyone else?
[02:33] <T3hWiz0rd> hold on, kkathman might wanna say it
[02:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:33] <Snake__> Lol
[02:33] <supertijano> .. or not?
[02:33] <kkathman> ??
[02:33] <supertijano> I guess not.
[02:33] <T3hWiz0rd> kkathman: just say "right-click your panel"
[02:33] <supertijano> Hahahaha. He's lost.
[02:33] <T3hWiz0rd> lol
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Andy5201987: if we pasted them in here, we would be violating the rules in the topic, and would get kicked and or banned.  Hence sending you to a list of them instead.
[02:34] <Andy5201987> ok
[02:34] <t3nd0> Snake__, http://www.deftek.net/gallery/albums/userpics/kmenu.jpg
[02:34] <t3nd0> its not there
[02:34] <mnoir> Andy - there are many good topics on the ubuntu forums about the repositories
[02:35] <mnoir> the default list is very conservative and many ppl add to them
[02:35] <T3hWiz0rd> doh* hes on an older version
[02:35] <T3hWiz0rd> we all are on 3.5
[02:35] <Snake__> T3hWiz0rd: it should be on 3.4 too
[02:35] <T3hWiz0rd> no no, its in a different place... im trying to remember.
[02:35] <Snake__> T3hWiz0rd: go to special buttons
[02:35] <Snake__> oops
[02:35] <Snake__> t3nd0: Check under special buttons
[02:36] <Snake__> t3nd0: if its not there, go to application, and click "add this menu"
[02:36] <Snake__> and it will give you a equivalent
[02:36] <t3nd0> no its not the same
[02:36] <t3nd0> no log out
[02:36] <t3nd0> etc
[02:36] <Snake__> Oh........
[02:36] <Snake__> t3nd0: and its not under special buttons?
[02:36] <t3nd0> oh its under special button
[02:37] <t3nd0> whoops im dum
[02:37] <t3nd0> didnt see it first time round
[02:37] <Psi-Jack> BBL
[02:37] <Snake__> Hehe :)
[02:38] <supertijano> Aww, now it got quiet.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> yeah, looks like it
[02:41] <bimberi> ok, right-click the panel...
[02:41] <supertijano> So anyway hobbsee.. How'd you get your name? Haha
[02:41] <bimberi> drat, too slow
[02:41] <supertijano> Hahaha
[02:41] <HystStudy> blah blah blah
[02:42] <Hobbsee> supertijano: it's my nickname
[02:42] <supertijano> Weird nickname. Haha
[02:42] <supertijano> What do you do after you right click bimberi?
[02:42] <supertijano> ;)
[02:42] <bimberi> :P
[02:43] <supertijano> Hahaha
[02:45] <francolq> hello. in adept: what does BREAK(install) in the action column means?
[02:45] <francolq> (or should I write "mean"?, my english is not very good...)
[02:46] <supertijano> My theory is that it wont install because of a conflict with another package?
[02:47] <supertijano> I'm not sure. It's just my theory
[02:47] <supertijano> Psi-Jack you're back!
[02:47] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty then!
[02:47] <supertijano> Ahaha, it rhymed sort-of.
[02:47] <Psi-Jack> Heh, yeah, copying my /home partition off my primary HDD, so I can move Kubuntu to it.
[02:48] <Psi-Jack> This is going to be ... Fun..
[02:48] <supertijano> Haha. Yeah. It sounds like it.
[02:48] <mnoir> better than fun...
[02:48] <Psi-Jack> I got to specifically exclude some mount-points just for the copy to be "proper"
[02:49] <supertijano> so what does BREAK(install) mean in adept anyway?
[02:49] <Psi-Jack> I'm trying to decide what to do about /dev now...
[02:49] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: That means it'll break something else's dependancies.
[02:49] <supertijano> Okay. So it wont install, right?
[02:49] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: In other words, you have unofficial package repository sources that conflict.
[02:50] <Psi-Jack> It might install.. .LOL
[02:50] <francolq> Psi-Jack: mmmmmm, I think i dont have any unofficial repository
[02:50] <Psi-Jack> francolq: Eh?
[02:51] <supertijano> It was his question..
[02:51] <francolq>  Psi-Jack: actually, is kdevelop3 from breezy's universe/kde
[02:51] <Psi-Jack> Oh..
[02:52] <francolq> is there any way to check the possible consecuences using apt-*?
[02:52] <Psi-Jack> Wow.. Kubuntu has reiser4 support built-in?
[02:53] <mnoir> actually - adept should have a way of seeing the details
[02:53] <supertijano> I didn't notice during the installation jack.
[02:53] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: Yeah, but it has mkfs.reiser4
[02:53] <francolq> "apt-get check kdevelop3" says nothing
[02:54] <supertijano> Hmm. I don't have the best understanding of reiser anyway
[02:54] <mnoir> right click the word break and look for popup
[02:54] <francolq> (stupid of me, "apt-get check" don't have parameters)
[02:56] <bimberi> francolq: there's also something like "sudo apt-get -s install kdevelop3"   (-s == --simulate)
[02:56] <francolq> bimberi: thanks, lets see
[02:59] <t3nd0> whats this os-x style menu im using called and how do i configure it?
[03:01] <francolq> the origin of the problem is that i couldn't make mcedit save iso8859-1 C files (with spanish accents), not even correctly configuring mc's character set
[03:02] <supertijano> t3nd0 do you mean kde?
[03:02] <t3nd0> yeah i have kde
[03:02] <__mikem> hey, I left xchat open over night
[03:03] <supertijano> You can right click on the pannel?
[03:03] <t3nd0> but i have this cool menu at the bottom http://www.deftek.net/gallery/albums/userpics/kmenu.jpg
[03:03] <francolq> ok, y think y know what does BREAK(install) means..... i dont have enough disk space to install all the dependencies
[03:04] <supertijano> So what are you trying to do?
[03:04] <francolq> so, for instance, kdevelop3-data wasn't automatically selected by adept, but it is a dependency....
[03:04] <t3nd0> i wanna make it be on the top instead of the bottom
[03:04] <t3nd0> im too used to windows
[03:04] <supertijano> Right click on the pannel, and.. let me see real quick
[03:04] <francolq> ok, supertijano, Psi-jack and bimberi, thank you all anyway...
[03:05] <supertijano> click configure> and select top
[03:05] <t3nd0> right clicking on it only gives options for the program you're hovering over
[03:05] <supertijano> Sorry francolq
[03:05] <supertijano> Don't hover over any programs.
[03:06] <t3nd0> The instant you have your mouse down there its highlighting something
[03:06] <supertijano> Do you not have any open space left on the pannel?
[03:07] <t3nd0> im talking about this bottom tool bar that has large buttons and they get bigger when your mouse goes over them
[03:07] <supertijano> I'm talking about to the right of it, where your windows are, you know? It should be between the menu and the clock
[03:08] <t3nd0> at the bottom http://www.deftek.net/gallery/albums/userpics/kmenu.jpg
[03:08] <t3nd0> its not the standard bar
[03:08] <t3nd0> its some other thing
[03:08] <__mikem> customizing kubuntu is a bear
[03:08] <supertijano> Try next to the trash can?
[03:08] <__mikem> I would much rather install a generic kde package and configure it myself
[03:08] <t3nd0> thats what i've been trying to do :)
[03:09] <supertijano> And it doesn't work?
[03:09] <t3nd0> i can't right click and get any more settings
[03:09] <supertijano> Well, then I guess you could right click > add to panel > special button > preferences
[03:09] <supertijano> Maybe?
[03:10] <t3nd0> oh i found it, its an apple icon on the top
[03:10] <t3nd0> "kxdocker"  :)
[03:10] <__mikem> did you hear about the new intell based apples
[03:11] <supertijano> mikem yeah.
[03:11] <supertijano> I heard they weren't any better though.
[03:11] <supertijano> So it works now t3?
[03:11] <t3nd0> only people in afghanistan havent heard about intel macs yet :D
[03:11] <supertijano> Hahaha.
[03:11] <__mikem> doesn't the idea of windows running on a mac strike you as a sign of the apocolips
[03:11] <supertijano> And possibly Iraq
[03:11] <supertijano> Hahaha. I haven't given it much thought.
[03:12] <__mikem> if its not a sign, it should bw
[03:12] <supertijano> What's bw?
[03:12] <__mikem> be, I made a typo
[03:12] <supertijano> Oh. I thought it stood for something.
[03:13] <supertijano> t3nd0: I didn't see the top panel in the picture. :/
[03:13] <supertijano> It reminds me of gnome.
[03:14] <t3nd0> its all good man
[03:14] <t3nd0> hrm this "kxdocker" doesnt seem to work right
[03:14] <supertijano> How did you find it?
[03:14] <__mikem> this is why I don't use beta software
[03:15] <t3nd0> i enabled more adept packages and then i downloaded it
[03:15] <t3nd0> its not buggy, the config just isnt quite working
[03:15] <t3nd0> and i can't add firefox or thunderbird :*(
[03:15] <__mikem> what version of kde is that?
[03:15] <t3nd0> whatever comes with kubuntu
[03:15] <t3nd0> i have no idea
[03:15] <supertijano> Maybe you just try right clicking on the top panel now. ;)
[03:15] <__mikem> you didn't take the 3.5.1 upgrade
[03:15] <t3nd0> i dont know maybe
[03:15] <t3nd0> im so noobish
[03:16] <supertijano> Me too. Haha
[03:16] <__mikem> you would have to specifically have done it
[03:16] <t3nd0> i still dont have opengl or sound
[03:16] <__mikem> I am a noob also so join the club
[03:16] <t3nd0> thats how noob i am
[03:16] <__mikem> t3nd0 I have been installing packages like opengl and sound as I need them
[03:16] <supertijano> It worked at once for me, otherwise I'd be soundless too
[03:17] <__mikem> !kde3.5.1
[03:17] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[03:17] <__mikem> I honestly would NOT recomend doing that
[03:17] <__mikem> kde3.5.1 is a bit unstable from what I hear
[03:18] <supertijano> Yeah, probably.
[03:18] <t3nd0> guys this theme is sweet :) http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=32241
[03:18] <fatejudger> KDE 3.5.1 is fine
[03:18] <supertijano> but t3 did you find the configure thing?
[03:18] <t3nd0> yeah i've tried installing opengl and the sound package MANY times over the past week
[03:18] <t3nd0> yeah i found the config thanks
[03:18] <fatejudger> does anyone know about the CUPS breakage in Dapper?
[03:18] <supertijano> Do you have alsa?
[03:18] <fatejudger> I STILL can't seem to print
[03:19] <__mikem> printers are hard to set up in ubuntu
[03:19] <supertijano> I was only able to print once in SUSE. Sorry fate
[03:19] <__mikem> I know how to do it in gnome, but your on your own in kde
[03:19] <supertijano> There is an easy printer set up wizard, but I don't know where
[03:19] <fatejudger> this is in Dapper
[03:20] <fatejudger> the CUPS server is broken
[03:20] <__mikem> in gnome its system-admin-printing or something like that
[03:20] <supertijano> I'm talking about KDE in general, I think.
[03:20] <fatejudger> I know what you're talking about
[03:20] <fatejudger> but CUPS needs to be working first
[03:20] <__mikem> try looking for something that looks vaguely like that
[03:20] <supertijano> Well, then you obviously know more about the subject. Sorry
[03:21] <__mikem> actually I know very little about linux
[03:21] <__mikem> still learning if you will
[03:21] <__mikem> but the more I learn, the more I love it
[03:21] <supertijano> I was talking about fate :P
[03:21] <supertijano> I do agree mikem
[03:22] <__mikem> oh, well, can't speak for fate
[03:22] <fatejudger> perhaps once one of the Dapper maintainers comes on I might be able to ask them
[03:22] <supertijano> Stick around
[03:22] <__mikem> Id recomend just getting breazy installed on a box and using that in the mean time
[03:22] <__mikem> it runs like a dream
[03:22] <fatejudger> I know, I used to run it
[03:23] <fatejudger> KOffice packages are broken now too
[03:23] <supertijano> What about openoffice?
[03:23] <__mikem> do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure on them
[03:23] <__mikem> that should fix them
[03:23] <fatejudger> openoffice is slow as hell
[03:23] <fatejudger> and hogs up memory
[03:23] <fatejudger> and sucks in general
[03:23] <supertijano> I've never tried KOffice
[03:23] <__mikem> I am actually an openoffice fan
[03:23] <SpentCasing> i need a .pdf editor, pls help
[03:23] <fatejudger> __mikem: it's not that kind of breakage
[03:24] <__mikem> oh, ok
[03:24] <fatejudger> __mikem: have you even used KOffice?
[03:24] <t3nd0> oh nm opengl works now by some twist of fate
[03:24] <__mikem> Yeh, I like it, but I have been using OpenOffice and have had no problems
[03:24] <t3nd0> as long as the screensavers work you're good to go right?
[03:24] <__mikem> lol, I should say not
[03:25] <supertijano> haha. Got luck t3?
[03:26] <t3nd0> anyone know where to get quake 3 for linux
[03:26] <__mikem> yeh I do actually
[03:26] <__mikem> hold on
[03:26] <SpentCasing> i need a .pdf editor, pls help
[03:27] <fatejudger> id software's website should have it
[03:28] <t3nd0> how do you test your framerate?
[03:29] <__mikem> http://www.happypenguin.org/ this site should have it and many others
[03:31] <supertijano> I have to go now. Bye everybody
[03:31] <__mikem> bye
[03:33] <t3nd0> WHOA I GET 12220.340 FPS using glxgears
[03:33] <t3nd0> :O
[03:34] <fatejudger> that's fairly normal
[03:34] <t3nd0> oh :P
[03:34] <t3nd0> i have a 256MB GEFORCE 6800GT
[03:34] <t3nd0> 12K sounded pretty extreme to me but what do i know
[03:34] <djzn> hi... how do I install the complete X Window Server (I did a server install, and missed X)
[03:35] <fatejudger> djzn: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:36] <djzn> fate: but with no KDE yet...
[03:36] <djzn> fate: but with no KDE and no GNOME... i will grab the kde 3.5.1 later
[03:36] <fatejudger> that makes no sense
[03:36] <fatejudger> just add kde 3.5.1 repos
[03:36] <fatejudger> and then apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[03:37] <fatejudger> I don't know what you're trying to accomplish exactly
[03:37] <fatejudger> do you want Xorg?
[03:37] <djzn> i installed the server
[03:37] <__mikem> Does anyone besides me have both kde and gnome installed
[03:37] <djzn> then, i want to put x
[03:37] <djzn> and then kde 3.5.1
[03:37] <__mikem> just out of curiousity
[03:37] <fatejudger> djzn: then add the KDE 3.5.1 repos to your sources.list
[03:37] <fatejudger> djzn: then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:38] <fatejudger> djzn: that will install the X server and KDE with the KDE 3.5.1 packages
[03:38] <djzn> yeah
[03:38] <djzn> look
[03:38] <djzn> the GPG key
[03:38] <djzn> do i NEED to do that annoyance?
[03:38] <fatejudger> djzn: yes
[03:38] <fatejudger> djzn: and how is it an annoyance?
[03:39] <fatejudger> it takes approx 10 seconds to do
[03:39] <djzn> last time it gave me a problem in /var/lib/apt thing
[03:40] <djzn> xorg won't be downloaded from the net then?
[03:40] <djzn> it will reach for the cd?
[03:42] <fatejudger> djzn: not sure
[03:42] <fatejudger> djzn: did you use the server cd?
[03:42] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: hey
[03:42] <Psi-Jack> Well, got most everything copied. Now for the harder stuff. Heh
[03:42] <Hobbsee> hi fatejudger
[03:43] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I know you use Dapper, but do you use KOffice by chance?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: i dont, but i can install it for testing
[03:43] <Hobbsee> what in particular about it?
[03:43] <djzn> fatejudger: yes
[03:43] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: well it now depends on Kexi
[03:43] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: somewhere around 1.4
[03:43] <djzn> fatejudger: installed the system from the cd
[03:44] <fatejudger> djzn: which cd?
[03:44] <fatejudger> djzn: the server cd?
[03:44] <djzn> kubuntu cd
[03:44] <fatejudger> djzn: or the full Kubuntu cd?
[03:44] <fatejudger> djzn: ok
[03:44] <djzn> full kubuntu cd
[03:44] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: right..and?
[03:44] <fatejudger> djzn: then it may use the CD depending on whether it's the latest package or not
[03:44] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: there is no Kexi 1.4
[03:44] <djzn> ok ill try
[03:44] <Psi-Jack> I love the fact that it's mostly easy as heck to copy an entire Linux system from one HDD to another is mostly just as simple as cp -a
[03:44] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: ah, i see
[03:45] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: so now apt-get is asking me to provide it kexi
[03:45] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: and holding back some upgrades
[03:45] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: so now not only can I not install KOffice, I can't use apt at all
[03:45] <Hobbsee> oh dear, that's not good
[03:45] <Hobbsee> why is it holding back the rest of the upgrades?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ooh, more upgrades :D
[03:46] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: well it's been trying to install the core package
[03:46] <Hobbsee> right
[03:46] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: for koffice
[03:46] <Hobbsee> i think you'd have to ask Riddell about this, btw - he did those packages
[03:46] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: but for some reason the "KOffice" package depends on Kexi
[03:46] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: but the subpackages don't
[03:46] <Hobbsee> and just wont run, and ignores everything else in the packages
[03:46] <Hobbsee> er, ok then!
[03:46] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: at least some of them don't
[03:46] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: and now koffice-core is getting confused
[03:47] <Hobbsee> :(
[03:47] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: and it can't overwrite some files
[03:47] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: because it's part of the Kexi package
[03:47] <Hobbsee> darn!
[03:47] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: maybe I could manually uninstall Kexi...
[03:47] <Hobbsee> that would probably work, then retry
[03:47] <Hobbsee> otherwise use force overwrite
[03:48] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: can you spell package breakage?
[03:48] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: lol
[03:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:48] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I remember doing that once before
[03:48] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: with libc6
[03:48] <Hobbsee> yeah, i can see some nice work for Riddell to do :)
[03:48] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: that was an experience I'll never forget
[03:49] <os2mac> Hobbsee: next release date?
[03:49] <fatejudger> 6.04
[03:49] <Red_Herring> wow
[03:49] <__mikem> Hey red
[03:49] <Red_Herring> i come in here, and EVERY OTHER LINE begins with Hobbsee
[03:50] <Red_Herring> hey
[03:50] <__mikem> lol
[03:50] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[03:50] <Red_Herring> anyone here read Bless Me ultima?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hi Red_Herring
[03:50] <__mikem> I am doing my english homework right now
[03:50] <Red_Herring> i gotta read 100 pages by tmro
[03:50] <Steven_M> Does anyone know of a plugin to stop tb from marking messages as unread untill they are fully opened?
[03:50] <Red_Herring> tb?
[03:50] <Red_Herring> oh, thunderbird
[03:51] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: this is hillarious, koffice-libs and koffice-data can be installed, but the pseudopackage "Koffice" depends on Kexi 1.4.90
[03:51] <Red_Herring> i thought you meant tuberculosis
[03:51] <Steven_M> yep, sorry
[03:51] <Red_Herring> i was wondering why it was marking messages
[03:51] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: in fact, it looks like I can install every package contained in the "koffice" pseudopackage as long as I don't refer to the pseudopackage
[03:52] <os2mac> again... does anyone know when the next projected release date?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Steven_M: it's in the options
[03:52] <Hobbsee> LOL @ fatejudger
[03:52] <Hobbsee> !dapper
[03:52] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be the "Dapper Drake" release, due April 20, 2006. Be warned that it's not yet stable but you are encouraged to help out with testing - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing.
[03:52] <os2mac> tried that...
[03:52] <os2mac> it was hard.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> os2mac: fatejudger answered you, and so does that factoid.  april 20, 2006
[03:52] <__mikem> I don't do beta software
[03:52] <Steven_M> Hobbsee: where?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> let me go see...
[03:52] <os2mac> I had to reload back to the current release
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Steven_M: edit, preferences, advanced, second option.
[03:53] <Red_Herring> os2mac, i tried osx on my amd, it is not that nice
[03:53] <Hobbsee> what, dapper?  yeah, it can be
[03:54] <Red_Herring> seriously, if OSX has viable driver support, i would get it, even if they just sold it to uber-nerds
[03:54] <os2mac> how did you get OSX on an AMD?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> argh no, please dont tell me that the bot is screwed again!
[03:54] <Hobbsee> !dapper
[03:54] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Hobbsee
[03:54] <fatejudger> lol
[03:54] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: have you seen the new Adept Updater?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: the little green icon?
[03:54] <os2mac> I saw it and that is what started my problems.
[03:54] <Red_Herring> os2mac, ;-)
[03:55] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: it's a red triangle for me
[03:55] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: means you need updates, yeah
[03:55] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I think it's angry that I haven't installed all the packages
[03:55] <httpdss> LOL !
[03:55] <Psi-Jack> apt-get upgrade - Simple procedure. :p
[03:55] <os2mac> apt-get update.... works great...
[03:55] <Hobbsee> no, try ./up<tab>, enter
[03:56] <Hobbsee> works a charm - updates and upgrades
[03:56] <Hobbsee> mind you, you do have to write it first
[03:56] <fatejudger> I do all my updating through the terminal
[03:56] <Hobbsee> same here
[03:56] <os2mac> you could give us a copy somewhere.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> it doesnt seem to update often enough
[03:57] <Hobbsee> 4 whole lines:
[03:57] <Hobbsee> #!/bin/bash
[03:57] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get update
[03:57] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:57] <Hobbsee> echo Your system is now upgraded
[03:57] <fatejudger> what the hell
[03:57] <fatejudger> they JUST uploaded new Dapper packages
[03:57] <Hobbsee> for what?
[03:57] <fatejudger> KDE stuff
[03:57] <os2mac> what is the tab for?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:57] <fatejudger> kate, libkonq, konq
[03:57] <fatejudger> well I just downloaded those 30 minutes ago
[03:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:57] <fatejudger> they must have screwed up or something
[03:57] <Hobbsee> probably new versions - i just got them too
[03:57] <fatejudger> good thing I didn't restart
[03:57] <Hobbsee> probably
[03:58] <Hobbsee> rebooting kde here, back in a min
[03:58] <fatejudger> k
[03:58] <Psi-Jack> Heh. Here's one.. crontab -e as root, and make it to apt-get update; apt-get -y upgrade
[03:58] <Red_Herring> heh, the deadmoo image of osx is very very nice
[03:58] <Red_Herring> but kubuntu is better
[03:58] <Red_Herring> i haveta say
[03:58] <Psi-Jack> Automagic upgrade. Not exactly considered the wisest of ideas, but as long as you set things up right, it'll even mail you the report. ;)
[03:59] <Red_Herring> the thing about linux
[03:59] <Red_Herring> is that when you get used to it
[03:59] <Red_Herring> all other operating systems becoem obsolete
[03:59] <Steven_M> Hobbsee: nope, even if you uncheck that it marks them as read after a single click.
[03:59] <Psi-Jack> Except BSD.
[03:59] <os2mac> with Hobbsee's example do I have to change /etc/apt/ settings?
[03:59] <Red_Herring> i am sooooooo used to hitting ctrl-z and having a terminal drop down
[03:59] <Red_Herring> its just natural now
[03:59] <fatbrain> how can I renew my IP address?
[03:59] <Red_Herring> and its tough with osx
[03:59] <fatejudger> does the new amaroK beta work with Gstreamer 0.10?
[03:59] <os2mac> to point to the Dapper repos?
[04:00] <Red_Herring> because a good 69% of the commands are gone
[04:00] <Psi-Jack> os2mac: Dapper is not stable. Be forewarned.
[04:00] <os2mac> I am aware..
[04:00] <os2mac> just asking the question.
[04:00] <Psi-Jack> In that case, just change breezy to dapper
[04:01] <os2mac> I was running Dapper for a couple of weeks and had to revert?
[04:01] <dcwckd> !java
[04:01] <Psi-Jack> I have a nice little sed script ready to change it all to dapper-readiness, so that I can easily dist-upgrade when dapper releases. :
[04:01] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[04:01] <Psi-Jack> :D
[04:01] <Psi-Jack> Seveas' repo has Sun Java 1.5r6
[04:01] <Psi-Jack> !seveas
[04:01] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[04:02] <dcwckd> can some help me with j2re1.4? (blackdown)
[04:02] <dcwckd> please
[04:02] <Psi-Jack> Bleh. Blackdown < Crap
[04:02] <__mikem> Whats blackdown
[04:02] <__mikem> !blackdown
[04:02] <ubotu> __mikem: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:02] <__mikem> nope gues he doesn't know either
[04:02] <Psi-Jack> Mind you, that is "blackdown is less than crap", in less geek speak. :p
[04:03] <Psi-Jack> __mikem: Blackdown is a 3rd party maker of Java, but it does not properly conform to java API spec.
[04:03] <Psi-Jack> And it's /ALWAYS/ several revisions behind.
[04:04] <Psi-Jack> dcwckd: My advice, get Sun Java, and get rid of Blackdown.
[04:04] <dcwckd> w/e
[04:04] <dcwckd> im just trying to get it to work in firefox
[04:05] <Psi-Jack> Then I still suggest Sun JRE. :)
[04:05] <dcwckd> ill try sun
[04:06] <dcwckd> !java
[04:06] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[04:07] <__mikem> Psi-Jack sounds like its a big waste of time
[04:07] <Hobbsee> all right, what else do i want to start at startup?
[04:07] <Psi-Jack> __mikem: It is.
[04:07] <Psi-Jack> __mikem: The devs just don't think so. :)
[04:07] <__mikem> I am not a big java fan though
[04:07] <Psi-Jack> I'm not either, however, I know what's good java, and what's bad java.
[04:08] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm... Time to unmount my... /dev/shm and /dev
[04:09] <Psi-Jack> Dangit.. /dev won't umount. :/
[04:09] <__mikem> I didn't know /dev was a drive
[04:09] <__mikem> I thought it was a dirrectory
[04:10] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: check to see if KOffice works?
[04:10] <Psi-Jack> Well, /dev, right now, is a tmpfs mountpoint.
[04:10] <__mikem> oh, don't know jack-squat about that
[04:10] <Hobbsee> how do you get a program to start up, in the system tray?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> but not maximised?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> oh...i see...
[04:17] <Steven_M> can someone please explain to how to get a cvs version of a program I want.
[04:17] <Steven_M> ?
[04:18] <Psi-Jack> Kubuntu's install CD has a rescue mode on it, right?
[04:19] <__mikem> that would be nice just incase
[04:19] <Psi-Jack> Well, I guess I find out the hard way. :p
[04:19] <__mikem> hope your backed up
[04:19] <Psi-Jack> Only to 2 HDD's at the moment. :p
[04:20] <Psi-Jack> Besides, it won't start installing till I say for it to. :p
[04:20] <Psi-Jack> You know, that initiall ISO Linux boot prompt and all. Gives you the option to hit enter, or type in a installation mode.
[04:20] <Psi-Jack> Anyway
[04:21] <_jfm> Hi, i'm new on Kubuntu (been using mandriva for the past few years) and I like it !  Some questions... 1) How do I get numlock to start on X by default? 2) Is there a way to configure my logitech wireless destop?  Thanks in advance ! :-)
[04:24] <__mikem> Wish I knew sorry.
[04:24] <_jfm> Ok... is there a way to get kfind back in konqueror ?
[04:25] <__mikem> How did it come to not be in there
[04:26] <hatake_kakashi> _jfm: you can create a shortcut
[04:26] <hatake_kakashi> _jfm: I presume Alt+F2 and kfind will open up kfind
[04:26] <__mikem> Hey hatake
[04:26] <dcwckd> hey guys, how do I get a copy of my currently running proccesses?
[04:26] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: hi
[04:26] <_jfm> got it... different place thats all :-)
[04:26] <hatake_kakashi> dcwckd: ps or top
[04:26] <dcwckd> ps -el?
[04:27] <hatake_kakashi> dcwckd: check with man pages, I normally do ps -A
[04:27] <hatake_kakashi> however that shows all processes
[04:31] <brydenn> ok guys. how do i encrypt a folder?
[04:32] <brydenn> or at least password protect it?
[04:32] <hatake_kakashi> why do you want to put password protect it? just have it made so that only you have the permission to do things to it, eg chmod 700
[04:33] <dcwckd> hes hiding the pr0n from his wife, obviously. :P
[04:33] <hatake_kakashi> lol
[04:33] <brydenn> lol actually dcwckd is correct
[04:33] <brydenn> only i dont have a wife
[04:33] <brydenn> its a girlfriend :)
[04:33] <dcwckd> lol
[04:33] <brydenn> and the porn is of me and some other girl hahaha
[04:33] <__mikem> we don't need any of that in here
[04:33] <brydenn> so yah... need some help here ;)
[04:33] <hatake_kakashi> there is a way to make it encrypted, but its not easy, you need encrpypted loop, etc. Google around for answers
[04:34] <brydenn> what about BestCrypt hatake_kakashi ?
[04:34] <__mikem> I would just write my own encryption tool if I was in your position
[04:34] <brydenn> it was the first thing that came up when i was searching for Linux Encryption Programs
[04:34] <dcwckd> brydenn: why not keep your distro installed
[04:34] <dcwckd> and keep root access and your username locked down
[04:34] <dcwckd> let her use winblow$
[04:35] <_jfm> put your files in a single folder created as root, and restrict the reading access...
[04:35] <_jfm> may work
[04:35] <dcwckd> it will
[04:35] <JasonF> heh, I got dapper installed without massive things breaking!
[04:35] <brydenn> yah it would
[04:35] <brydenn> hmm
[04:35] <brydenn> so how do i restrict the folder to ONLY root access?
[04:35] <dcwckd> its hard to upgrade to dapper?
[04:35] <dcwckd> i have a side n00b question, anyone care to take this one
[04:36] <brydenn> hehe
[04:36] <brydenn> yes its a n00b question
[04:36] <brydenn> but i am
[04:36] <_jfm> kdesu konqueror - then create the folder... right click to change the access properties..
[04:36] <dcwckd> Ive been installing alot of packages, mainly librarys and such
[04:36] <_jfm> easy way
[04:36] <brydenn> thansk _jfm  i was just gonna ask if thats how you do it
[04:36] <dcwckd> will having a ton of librarys on my system, slow its performance
[04:36] <dcwckd> ?
[04:36] <__mikem> no it shouldn't
[04:37] <dcwckd> techincally? it shouldnt right?
[04:37] <__mikem> as long as you don't have as many programs using them
[04:37] <__mikem> at once
[04:37] <dcwckd> right
[04:37] <dcwckd> librarys arent usually resource hogs
[04:37] <dcwckd> unless an app is using one
[04:37] <dcwckd> got it
[04:38] <__mikem> are these dynamically linked
[04:38] <Hobbsee_> well, i found one way to speed up how fast kde loads!
[04:38] <_jfm> got it !  Numlock on by default on X... apt-get numlockx then follow the readme :-)
[04:38] <__mikem> or static
[04:38] <dcwckd> yes
[04:38] <dcwckd> apt-get installs them as dependancies
[04:38] <dcwckd> Hobb, how?
[04:38] <__mikem> well, they will only take up resources when a program uses them, and unless you are doing something really strange it still shouldn't be too much of an issue
[04:38] <dcwckd> cool
[04:39] <dcwckd> I got worried
[04:39] <dcwckd> i like a clean OS
[04:39] <__mikem> because as soon as the program terminates the library unloads
[04:39] <__mikem> same here
[04:39] <Hobbsee_> dcwckd: get kde to start with an empty session, then add bits as you want them for startup, then set it to start from a manually saved session
[04:39] <dcwckd> i start with an empty session
[04:39] <dcwckd> by default
[04:39] <dcwckd> lol
[04:40] <__mikem> I don't even have prefferences for those kinds of things yet
[04:40] <__mikem> still learning the ropes here
[04:40] <Hobbsee_> dcwckd: that works
[04:40] <dcwckd> an empty session with a few karamba widgets :P
[04:40] <dcwckd> I have a rather lovely desktop
[04:40] <Hobbsee_> with the symlinks into Autostart, they dont seem to start minimised - which is what i tried first
[04:40] <snoozix> hi, is there a way to install the high performance liquid style / window decorations?
[04:41] <dcwckd> Hobbsee_: you might be jealous
[04:41] <dcwckd> lol
[04:42] <Hobbsee_> dcwckd: not jealous...lol
[04:42] <dcwckd> ok
[04:42] <dcwckd> maybe
[04:43] <_jfm> is there an easy way to get firefox 1.5 ?
[04:43] <dcwckd> download it
[04:43] <snoozix> jfm: compiling it?
[04:43] <_jfm> yeah, but where... not in the repos
[04:43] <snoozix> does anyone use the high performance liquid theme?
[04:44] <dcwckd> _jfm: download binaries, cd /usr/bin, sudo ln -s /path/to/firefox/firefox-bin firefox
[04:44] <_jfm> compiling = not easy (for me anyway...)
[04:44] <dcwckd> lol
[04:44] <farous> _jfm: you do not need to compile firefox just download it from their site and use it
[04:44] <dcwckd> is firefox faster if I actually compile it, im using mozilla's universal binarys
[04:44] <snoozix> dcwckd: you wont feel it
[04:45] <dcwckd> was gonna say, its pretty fast now
[04:45] <dcwckd> a friend of mine is a freak, he compiled kde 3.5.1 from scratch
[04:45] <dcwckd> for no reason
[04:45] <farous> !tell _jfm about ff1.5
[04:45] <dcwckd> he claims, "for speed"
[04:45] <__mikem> I tried that on a fedora machine
[04:45] <dcwckd> hes a slackhead
[04:46] <__mikem> well, it makes no difference so he just doesn't want to admit he likes to show off
[04:46] <dcwckd> lol
[04:46] <dcwckd> it took a XEON, dual 2.4, 6 hours to compile 3.5.1
[04:47] <__mikem> ouch
[04:48] <__mikem> lmao
[04:48] <dcwckd> lol
[04:48] <dcwckd> I really want to try this new OSX 10.4.3 DVD I found
[04:49] <Hobbsee_> hey, why do i have an underscore?
[04:49] <brydenn> _jfm : thanks.. i figured it out
[04:49] <dcwckd> x86, prepatched for SSE2/3 with TPM disabled, and about 50 extra drivers ready to go (including VIA/INTEL chipsets) and NVIDIA drivers
[04:49] <HystStudy> Hobbsee_: they are supposed to be
[04:49] <Hobbsee_> might be worth trying then
[04:49] <dcwckd> they claim this DVD of OSX x86 should install on ANY x86 machine
[04:49] <Hobbsee_> they cretainly were over breezy and fx1.0.7
[04:50] <brydenn> OSX blows
[04:50] <brydenn> ;)
[04:50] <dcwckd> it would be fun to dick around on
[04:50] <brydenn> yah
[04:50] <dcwckd> especially on my hardware
[04:50] <dcwckd> I could triple boot
[04:50] <brydenn> lol
[04:50] <brydenn> i have vmware... i'll just run another virtual machine :)
[04:51] <dcwckd> I have a 2gb NTFS partiton for XP/Photoshop, 60 GB Reiser for Kubuntu, and soon a 10GB part for OSX
[04:51] <dcwckd> lol
[04:51] <dcwckd> hopefully..
[04:52] <snoozix> dcwckd: who is they? "dcwckd they claim this DVD of OSX x86 should install on ANY x86 machine"
[04:52] <dcwckd> the creaters of this DVD
[04:52] <Hysty> if a linux version of photoshop was ever made the use of emulators would almost die out I reckon
[04:52] <snoozix> dcwckd: do you have an URL or so?
[04:52] <dcwckd> neg
[04:52] <dcwckd> its on oink, im presuming you know what oink is
[04:52] <snoozix> no
[04:52] <JasonF> omg! For the first time ever, linux uses my webcam
[04:52] <snoozix> i don't
[04:53] <snoozix> JasonF: :)
[04:53] <Hysty> any of you guys use a graphics tablet?
[04:53] <dcwckd> going into kopete's webcam settings
[04:53] <dcwckd> crashes my machine
[04:54] <_jfm> !tell farous thanks.... complicated for me, but i may try it... hope they upload a .deb on the repos :P
[04:54] <Hobbsee> hmph.
[04:54] <Hobbsee> lol
[04:54] <francolq> hello, i need a little favour from breezy users, can anyone go to adept and select the package kdevelop3-data to install?
[04:54] <JasonF> snoozix: what type of app can I use to just view pure webcam outpout
[04:54] <JasonF> and manipulate/record it?
[04:55] <francolq> the question is if it says BREAK(install) in the Action field
[04:55] <snoozix> JasonF: why do you ask me? i do not have any webcam :)
[04:55] <JasonF> Well, let me ask it to everyone then, lol
[04:56] <Psi-Jack> Welp, that certainly did work. :)
[04:56] <JasonF> what type of app can I use to grab my webcam output and manipulate/record that
[04:56] <Psi-Jack> You mean input? :)
[04:56] <JasonF> well, webcam input is my face :)
[04:56] <Hysty> bloody slow dialup connection
[04:56] <JasonF> lol
[04:57] <snoozix> did anyone here just figure out how to get the old gtk2 file selection dialogs?
[05:01] <kreit> is it true that fonts look better in gnome than in kde (clearer, less blurred, antialias)?
[05:04] <Ce_gituuu> hello, anybody can help me?
[05:04] <hatake_kakashi> as in what?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> !+anyone
[05:05] <ubotu> probably 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? <hint>
[05:05] <Psi-Jack> Oh yeah.
[05:05] <Psi-Jack> Kubuntu/Ubuntu, does /not/ have a rescue mode. I'm very upset.
[05:05] <Hobbsee> Psi-Jack: sure it does - it's called recovery mode
[05:05] <Red_Herring> Psi-Jack, what do you need to rescue?
[05:06] <Red_Herring> !rescue
[05:06] <ubotu> somebody said rescue was Boot the install cd with rescue as boot parameter for system rescue mode
[05:06] <Hobbsee> that too
[05:06] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee: rescue does the REGULAR mode of installation. I tried it.
[05:06] <Red_Herring> !recovery
[05:06] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:07] <Hobbsee> no, there is a recovery mode that you can choose in grub while booting
[05:07] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee: I don't. I needed to copy the raw /dev from hde to hdg, so that I could actually get a full proper copy of Kubuntu from my primary HDD.
[05:07] <Ce_gituuu> hello
[05:07] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee: That recovery mode will still mount /dev :p
[05:07] <Ce_gituuu> how to connect?
[05:07] <Psi-Jack> Ce_gituuu: Plug your computer into the wall.
[05:07] <hatake_kakashi> Ce_gituuu: be more specific
[05:07] <Hobbsee> ah ok...i dont use that sort of stuff usually
[05:08] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee: Normally, I don't either.. But, I didn't want to have to re-install Kubuntu, just because. ;)
[05:08] <hatake_kakashi> Psi-Jack: try getting a live-cd/live-dvd to do the job
[05:08] <Psi-Jack> hatake_kakashi: The Gentoo boot disc worked fine. I'll stick to it. :)
[05:08] <Psi-Jack> It, at least, doesn't limit me to just busybox. heh
[05:09] <hatake_kakashi> busybox isn't that bad
[05:09] <Ce_gituuu> hello hatake?
[05:09] <Psi-Jack> busybox's cp is nothing. You can't even cp -a or cp -dpR, nothing.
[05:09] <Psi-Jack> It's simply cp [SOURCE]  [DESTINATION] 
[05:09] <hatake_kakashi> Psi-Jack: well its lean-and-mean for its own basic usage :)
[05:10] <Psi-Jack> hatake_kakashi: Yes, it is.. but for real powerful options, it's crap.
[05:10] <hatake_kakashi> in fact I've seen business card sized cds contain busybox
[05:10] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[05:10] <Psi-Jack> Yep.
[05:10] <Psi-Jack> I've made one once. It had my resume on it, and I told them to boot the CD. ;)
[05:10] <Psi-Jack> Not just put it in to a running system, but literally boot off it. :)
[05:11] <Psi-Jack> Funny thing is, they didn't understand, so I had to do it for them. ;}
[05:11] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[05:13] <Psi-Jack> It had tinyX and everything on it. :)
[05:13] <hatake_kakashi> nice
[05:13] <Psi-Jack> Needless to say, it got me the job.
[05:13] <Psi-Jack> That was years ago..
[05:14] <Psi-Jack> But, with the way /dev keeps getting overlapped by SOMETHING, there needs to be a proper way to get to the original /dev, and quite frankly, nothing's doing it, without a boot disc of some kind.
[05:16] <Psi-Jack> heh, but at least I got my system moved back over to my primary drive, and Gentoo is erased from it. :)
[05:16] <Psi-Jack> And, I didn't have to do a whole lot to do it, either. :D
[05:17] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[05:17] <hatake_kakashi> try fbsd someday Psi-Jack
[05:17] <ice> !xgl
[05:17] <ubotu> Join #xgl-ubuntu for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper.
[05:18] <ice> damn
[05:18] <humboldt> how can I get desktop search in kubuntu?
[05:19] <JackSprat> i did apt-get install apache2 and now i wanna install php5, but when i try it says this: libapache2-mod-php5: Depends: apache2-mpm-prefork (> 2.0.52) but it is not installable
[05:19] <Psi-Jack> hatake_kakashi: What do you think I'm migrating from, prior to Gentoo?
[05:19] <fit4lfe> is dapper worth it to get xgl  ?
[05:20] <JasonF> I'm using konsole with irssi over ssh
[05:20] <hatake_kakashi> Psi-Jack: nfi, heh
[05:20] <Psi-Jack> hatake_kakashi: I've not used Linux in about 2-3 years, due to FreeBSD. BSD for servers, Windows for workstation. Now, I'm going all Linux, and TRYING to get my media server to use Linux, if it'll work out like I need. ;)
[05:20] <JasonF> when I hit alt + -> to make it go left or right, it just enters "3C" into the window
[05:20] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[05:20] <hatake_kakashi> Psi-Jack: you haven't try solaris yet btw ;)
[05:21] <Psi-Jack> hatake_kakashi: I am not even close to a newbie. Linux since 0.12, and BSD since 2.0. I have used Solaris, AIX, Irix, Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, BSDi, SCO, CPM, etc. heh
[05:21] <Psi-Jack> Oh, I forgot at least SunOS, prior to Solaris.
[05:21] <hatake_kakashi> Psi-Jack: d*mn you got more experience under the belt, more than mine heh
[05:22] <Psi-Jack> hatake_kakashi: Heh. I have too much. And yet, I still don't know everything, and I probably never will. ;)
[05:23] <farous> Psi-Jack: so did you try open solaris
[05:23] <Psi-Jack> Open Solaris?
[05:23] <farous> just want opinions for am interested in trying it out
[05:23] <Psi-Jack> Did Sun opensource Solaris?
[05:24] <farous> way back Psi-Jack
[05:24] <Psi-Jack> Way back as in?
[05:24] <farous> and there are a couple of distros based on it too
[05:24] <man_in_work> konversation sucks so much
[05:24] <man_in_work> so does kfloppy
[05:24] <Psi-Jack> I consider "way back" to be 5+ years.
[05:24] <Psi-Jack> man_in_work: So, don'
[05:24] <farous> nope few months back
[05:24] <Psi-Jack> man_in_work: So, don't use them.
[05:25] <Psi-Jack> farous: That's not "way back". That's a bit back. :p
[05:25] <man_in_work> i don't exactly have a choice here
[05:25] <Psi-Jack> A short bit, at that.
[05:25] <Psi-Jack> man_in_work: Yes. Yes actually, you do.
[05:25] <man_in_work> what do you suggest then
[05:27] <Psi-Jack> Well, you could always use ksirc, or kvirc, for IRC.
[05:27] <Psi-Jack> Or, even irssi in konsole.
[05:28] <Psi-Jack> As for kfloppy, you don't have to use it. You could always just use the konsole to mkfs yourself.
[05:29] <Psi-Jack> Like I said. You HAVE your choices.
[05:30] <Psi-Jack> I, personally, recommend you rip your floppy drive, out, though, and get a USB thumb drive.
[05:31] <Psi-Jack> They're smaller in size, BIGGER in storage capacity, and horrendously faster.
[05:31] <JasonF> How do I set my default web browser in KDE (I want it to be Opera)
[05:31] <Psi-Jack> Default?
[05:31] <JasonF> yeah
[05:31] <JasonF> like I want when I click a link in a KDE app to an http site
[05:31] <JasonF> for it to open in opera
[05:31] <kamma> ksirc is the default irc client right?
[05:31] <Psi-Jack> Okay. kcontrol can do that.
[05:32] <kamma> imo konversation is much better
[05:32] <Psi-Jack> kamma: The one that comes with KDE, yes. And I agree with you.
[05:32] <man_in_work> Psi-Jack: why should i be forced to use a console tool? why not make kfloppy actually WORK?
[05:32] <JasonF> Psi-Jack: System Settings or something else?
[05:32] <Psi-Jack> ksirc doesn't look like it's even been TOUCHED in years.
[05:32] <man_in_work> Psi-Jack: as for irc, i can't actually install software here
[05:32] <Psi-Jack> JasonF: kcontrol, KDE Components, web browser
[05:32] <farous> man_in_work: irssi is installed by default
[05:32] <Psi-Jack> GullyFoyle: Oh that's just sick.
[05:33] <JasonF> Psi-Jack: only thing I see in "KDE Components" is KDE Resources and Service manager
[05:33] <Psi-Jack> JasonF: KDE Components, Component Chooser
[05:33] <GullyFoyle> Psi-Jack i'm rediscovering the joy of using "screen" and console apps
[05:34] <Psi-Jack> GullyFoyle: Still. BitchX == sick and disgusting. :)
[05:34] <JasonF> Psi-Jack: is no such option
[05:34] <JasonF> oooh, nevermind
[05:34] <Psi-Jack> Not to mention, BitchX is one of the few console IRC clients that actually has had exploits to it.
[05:34] <GullyFoyle> Psi-Jack giant terminal though, easy to read
[05:34] <Psi-Jack> JasonF: Try opening your eye-lids. :)
[05:36] <Psi-Jack> Heh, I do like Konversation's default quit message. Suttle, yet specific.
[05:40] <JasonF> When did Amorok get good? I haven't run KDE in ages
[05:40] <JasonF> it's so much better now
[05:40] <hatake_kakashi> JasonF: so much bloated imo -_- albeit I cannot deny the good thing it has iPod support now
[05:41] <JasonF> hatake_kakashi: I'm a big fan of fully featured media players...I use itunes on windows
[05:41] <hatake_kakashi> JasonF: ahh ha
[05:42] <JasonF> What's a good app to use to view full motion webcam video?
[05:42] <nrdb> when was the last update done to the archives?
[05:43] <Psi-Jack> Is it possible to not have kwallet be used with Kopete, but still be enabled and used by Konqueror and other apps? I don't care to have to always punch in my password just to use kopete, which is what using kwallet will require me.
[05:46] <nrdb> Hi I have been doing regular 'update/upgrade' with adept but nothing has been updated for several weeks now, is this correct?
[05:52] <djzn> how do configure GTK 1.x apps to look better
[05:52] <djzn> GTK 1.x apps have their font extremely HUGE
[05:53] <fit4lfe> damn upgrading to dapper takes a long time
[05:53] <fit4lfe> must be thousands of packages
[05:53] <fit4lfe> lol
[05:54] <Hobbsee> fit4lfe: yeah, it does :)
[05:55] <Psi-Jack> djzn: Well, GTK+ 1.x apps don't use fontconfig like GTK+ 2.x apps do, so literally, you have to use .gtkrc-1.0
[05:55] <djzn> psi: oh yeah?
[05:55] <kamma> djzn: eww what gtk1 apps do you still use?
[05:55] <djzn> kamma: audacity, xmms, mplayer
[05:56] <kamma> djzn: why not kmplayer and bmp
[05:56] <fit4lfe> amarok has so many bugs
[05:56] <Psi-Jack> kmplayer? hmmm
[05:56] <djzn> what is kmplayer?
[05:56] <Psi-Jack> I like amarok. Bugs?
[05:56] <fit4lfe> can['t get it to even load
[05:56] <Psi-Jack> What bugs does amaroK have, cause it never gives me trouble. Ever,
[05:57] <djzn> i just tested amarok, but i didnt think the equalizer is as powerful as xmms one
[05:57] <fit4lfe> I like xmms
[05:57] <kamma> djzn: media player that uses mplayer as the backend
[05:57] <kamma> http://kmplayer.kde.org/
[05:57] <Psi-Jack> djzn: That's because xine's equalizer isn't that great yet. gstreamer's is /slightly/ better, but still crap. I prefer xine, though.
[05:57] <fit4lfe> I just wish mplayer could play wmv files too
[05:57] <brydenn> :(
[05:57] <kamma> xine is way better than gstreamer imo
[05:57] <Psi-Jack> I still like kaffeine, myself.
[05:58] <brydenn> why wont wine do Photoshop CS2 and just 7,0?
[05:58] <brydenn> errrrrrrrr
[05:58] <kamma> i havent tried gstreamer-.10 yet though
[05:58] <JasonF> vlc >>>>>>>>> xine > gstreamer
[05:58] <Psi-Jack> fit4lfe: It can.
[05:58] <Psi-Jack> fit4lfe: Just not DRM encoded ones.
[05:58] <kamma> fit4lfe: do you have w32codecs?
[05:58] <djzn> kmplayer works INSIDE konqui?
[05:58] <djzn> i need something that works outside
[05:59] <Psi-Jack> djzn: Outside, as in, loading up a seperate program not embeded?
[05:59] <kamma> djzn: it does both
[05:59] <djzn> yeah
[05:59] <Psi-Jack> djzn: Kaffiene
[05:59] <Psi-Jack> Kaffeine's plugin does EXACTLY that.
[05:59] <kamma> yea just do kaffeine unless you love mplayer for a backend for w/e reason
[05:59] <fit4lfe> 869 upgraded, 149 newly installed, 65 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[05:59] <fit4lfe> 469 not fully installed or removed.
[05:59] <fit4lfe> Need to get 508MB/662MB of archives.
[05:59] <djzn> wait here..LOL... the thing is totally taking a new direction. LOL... i just need a gtkrc-1.2 config example
[06:00] <fit4lfe> lol
[06:00] <fit4lfe> wow
[06:00] <kamma> anyone on dapper here and having issues with kaffeine crashing konqueror?
[06:00] <fit4lfe> upgrading to dapper now
[06:00] <fit4lfe> just did a dist-upgrade
[06:00] <kamma> fit4lfe: tell me how it goes.. i had issues and ended up doing a fresh install
[06:01] <fit4lfe> shit
[06:01] <fit4lfe> really
[06:02] <fit4lfe> I have way to much stuff to do a fresh install
[06:02] <Hobbsee> back up /home/
[06:02] <kamma> fit4lfe: you should make a seperate /home partition...
[06:02] <kamma> that's what i did, and no hard in reinstalling here
[06:02] <fit4lfe> you should be to just use your backup sources.list
[06:02] <kamma> hard = harm
[06:03] <fit4lfe> seperate home partition
[06:03] <fit4lfe> sounds a really good idea
[06:03] <fit4lfe> tell me how
[06:04] <kamma> fit4lfe: do you have a spare partition on your drive or somewhere you can back it up to?
[06:04] <kamma> because i did it with the install CD tool
[06:05] <djzn> these GTK 1.x apps.... where are they getting the config from????
[06:05] <fit4lfe> I should have enough space on this drive
[06:05] <kamma> djzn: search on google for .gtkrc example
[06:06] <kamma> fit4lfe: i'm not sure how to resize partitions so good luck with that one :P
[06:06] <fit4lfe> lol
[06:06] <fit4lfe> nice
[06:06] <fit4lfe> I'm going to get screwed when upgrading this arn't I
[06:07] <Hysty> grr bloody hard disk going to sleep and locking the system up
[06:08] <kamma> get another drive in your computer and copy /home over then reformat and repartition :P
[06:08] <JasonF> why is there no w32codecs pacakge?
[06:09] <kamma> you have to download it and manually get it due to copyright issues
[06:10] <Red_Herring> !win32codecs
[06:10] <ubotu> win32codecs is, like, binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[06:10] <fit4lfe> so how bad does dapper crash
[06:10] <fit4lfe> lol
[06:11] <farous> JasonF: for it is property protected and might be illegal to distribute in some countires
[06:12] <Hysty> dapper flight 3 sounds like it is fairly stable
[06:12] <Hysty> i tried downloading it but the server doesnt support resume and with my dialup I need resume
[06:12] <fit4lfe> damn my clock is all screwed up
[06:13] <fit4lfe> 0513 central us time
[06:13] <fit4lfe> wth
[06:17] <JasonF> farous: I know, but it used to be in universe/multiverse, iirc
[06:18] <farous> i never seen in in neither universe nor multiverse i once seen in though in the old backport repos
[06:18] <JasonF> maybe that's it, I just know when I used to run hoary it was in my usual set of repos
[06:18] <JasonF> I must say, KDE and ubuntu have gone a loooong way
[06:18] <farous> anyway might have been someone uploaded in multiverse (community repos than ubuntu guys seen it and removed it
[06:18] <djzn> GTK1.x well i can get the font diminished, but it does look like CRAP
[06:22] <JasonF> hrm
[06:23] <JasonF> how do I tell ubuntu the hardware clock is EST not GMT
[06:23] <fit4lfe> my clock is all scrwed up
[06:23] <thompa> mine too
[06:23] <fit4lfe> something must of happen
[06:24] <fit4lfe> I got 024 us central time right now
[06:24] <fit4lfe> 0524
[06:24] <fit4lfe> lol
[06:24] <thompa> im in central time i think
[06:25] <djzn> now I need a GOOD ripper... in burst mode... does kubuntu have any?
[06:25] <fit4lfe> what does your clock say
[06:25] <fit4lfe> right now
[06:25] <thompa> 032
[06:26] <fit4lfe> dman
[06:26] <fit4lfe> damn
[06:26] <fit4lfe> try to restart xwindows
[06:26] <thompa> its military time
[06:26] <fit4lfe> yes i KNOW
[06:26] <fit4lfe> former marine
[06:26] <thompa> air force here
[06:27] <fit4lfe> there we go just changed over
[06:27] <fit4lfe> 2337 much better
[06:27] <thompa> 2327
[06:27] <fit4lfe> airforce what is your mos
[06:27] <thompa> i was 30333
[06:27] <thompa> electronic warfare
[06:28] <fit4lfe> I want to go sf in airforce
[06:28] <fit4lfe> I heard its great
[06:28] <fit4lfe> best training
[06:29] <thompa> at least we dont get shot at
[06:29] <hatake_kakashi> 15:29:39
[06:29] <fit4lfe> lol
[06:29] <fit4lfe> I like grunt work
[06:30] <fit4lfe> hey are the dapper 64 packages good to go
[06:31] <thompa> loading internet pages is way to slow
[06:31] <JasonF> ahh, fixed it
[06:31] <JasonF> hoorah
[06:33] <fit4lfe> damn is dapper bigger then breezy
[06:33] <fit4lfe> sure seems like it
[06:35] <Psi-Jack> fit4lfe: I doubt it much. You're just having to replace almost /every/ single package you have installed.
[06:35] <fit4lfe> true
[06:36] <fit4lfe> now should I restart xwindows too or doesn;t matter
[06:36] <Psi-Jack> No such thing as xwindows.
[06:36] <fit4lfe> umm
[06:36] <fit4lfe> ok what is it called now
[06:37] <fit4lfe> x-org
[06:37] <Psi-Jack> Heh, open up Konsole, and man X
[06:37] <fit4lfe> shoudl I restart it though
[06:37] <fit4lfe> crtl+alt+backspace
[06:37] <Psi-Jack> I would. If you've already fully dist-upgraded
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> Besides that.
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> If you have fully dist-upgraded, you should reboot.
[06:38] <fit4lfe> am I going to loose my nvidia settings
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> No idea.
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> Probably. heh
[06:38] <fit4lfe> then I loose my nvidia settings
[06:38] <fit4lfe> lol
[06:38] <fit4lfe> if I reboot
[06:38] <osh_> Psi-Jack: xwindows is the common name for "The X windowing system" or whatever it's called. If you say  xwindows everyone knows what you mean...
[06:38] <osh_> Psi-Jack: But I'm sure you knew that.
[06:38] <djzn> where do i place a COLOR.kcsrc file?
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> osh_: That is, however, regardless "common" to you or not, INCORRECT
[06:38] <fit4lfe> yeah I do
[06:39] <Hysty> anyone here compared using Qemu to using Wine?
[06:39] <fit4lfe> ok here we go
[06:39] <Psi-Jack> "xwindows" actually was originally made by the Berkeley guys.. A predessesor (sp?) to what we now know as X.
[06:39] <osh_> Psi-Jack: many things common names that we use are technically incorrect but everyone knows what it it anyway so...
[06:39] <Psi-Jack> But, it didn't really go very far. heh
[06:40] <Psi-Jack> osh_: So, we should all speak of things by their incorrect names, just because it's "common". I refuse. And I will always correct people.
[06:40] <Psi-Jack> X is proper to call X. XWindows, is not.
[06:41] <Hysty> but people claim Windows is stable and it isnt :)
[06:41] <Psi-Jack> Hysty: It is. For the most part, if you only install a small set of programs, and only use those programs. ;)
[06:41] <osh_> Psi-Jack: an example. You know what a dimmer is, right? That's not the correct word for it. Should I not call it a dimmer then? Even though you know exactly what I'm speaking of. Same thing with xwindows.
[06:41] <hatake_kakashi> Hysty: hence the non RASIS/POSIX compliance
[06:42] <Hysty> Psi-Jack, yes indeed
[06:42] <Psi-Jack> osh_: That's comparing a mustang to an elephant and you know it. :p
[06:42] <Hysty> hehe
[06:42] <Hysty> can-o-worms
[06:43] <osh_> Psi-Jack: Not really but I have to go to work now so. But do feel free to correct people. I'm sure noone mind. ;-)
[06:43] <Psi-Jack> Anyway, as I said. It's X, X11, X11R6, or the X Window System, or by product name, XFree86, Xorg, AccelX, MetroX, etc. But Absolutely /not/ XWindows. And I will hold ground on that forever. There is no swaying me from it
[06:44] <Hysty> :P
[06:44] <Hysty> tis better to be called X anyway, at least then it doesnt sound like a shoddy MS product
[06:46] <Psi-Jack> Hysty: Exactly.
[06:47] <Psi-Jack> And, like I said, Berkeley holds the original rights to the name "xwindows".
[06:52] <Ashex> How do I set Kubuntu setup to not use the VGA out on my laptop and use the lcd screen?
[06:53] <Ashex> well, crap
[06:54] <farous> Ashex: set it up in your xorg.conf file
[06:54] <Ashex> any idea how?
[06:54] <farous> hmm you need to edit it
[06:54] <Ashex> well, yeah
[06:54] <farous> and if you do not know how then you should not do it
[06:54] <farous> !fixers
[06:54] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, farous
[06:55] <farous> !fixer
[06:55] <ubotu> farous: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:55] <Ashex> I know how to edit it
[06:55] <farous> anyhow just back up your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[06:55] <hatake_kakashi> I think its dpkg --reconfigure xorg-server
[06:55] <Ashex> I was curious if the specifit values were known, but I'll figure it out
[06:55] <farous> then do a dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:56] <hatake_kakashi> blah, that's probably more like it
[06:56] <farous> Ashex: most cards do not need specific values when it comes to lcd
[06:56] <farous> what card you have
[06:56] <Ashex> ati radeon express 200m
[06:57] <farous> ya it will recognize it
[06:57] <farous> you can set the specific values if you want in the dispaly section
[06:57] <Ashex> editing might get tricky, since I'm still on windows
[06:57] <Ashex> okay
[06:57] <Ashex> a few months back I tried to install ubuntu and had the same problem
[06:57] <Ashex> I fixed this by plugging a monitor in and switching it back
[06:58] <hatake_kakashi> Ashex: you installed ubuntu/kubutu through vmware?
[06:58] <djzn> is there a way to change the boot splash screen???
[06:58] <Ashex> however, I can't switch back to lcd without plugging something into the vga out
[06:58] <Ashex> hatake_kakashi: nope
[06:58] <Ashex> I'm still on windows, completely
[06:58] <hatake_kakashi> Ashex: is your linux partition ext2 or ext3?
[06:58] <farous> Ashex: which monitor you wana set the external or the lcd one
[06:58] <Ashex> lcd
[06:58] <Ashex> I don't have an external monitor :P
[06:59] <farous> ok
[06:59] <farous> just making sure i gave you the right instructions
[06:59] <farous> but normally it fails back to vga if it can not recogn. your lcd or if there is something wrong
[07:00] <Ashex> ok
[07:00] <Ashex> hrm
[07:01] <Ashex> I'm not sure how to go about this in windows...
[07:01] <farous> wait till you boot into linux and do the dpkg -reconfigure command
[07:01] <farous> this is the safest way
[07:02] <Ashex> I don't have linux installed on here at all
[07:02] <farous> and please do not forget to backup your file for it will be re-written and you might not like the result
[07:02] <farous> ok can you open the file and paste it on the pastebin let me have a look at it
[07:03] <Ashex> I don't think you're following me, I'm installing Kubuntu, but I can't set it up since I can't see what I'm doing
[07:04] <hatake_kakashi> Ashex: try appending vga=771 onto it
[07:04] <farous> seems i do not understand installing without seeing?
[07:04] <farous> remote install?
[07:05] <Ashex> The video goes through the vga out as soon as I hit enter when I boot off the kubuntu dvd
[07:05] <Ashex> so nothing displays on the laptop screen
[07:06] <hatake_kakashi> I'm sure you can press specific buttons on laptop to make it appear back on laptop's screen again
[07:06] <hatake_kakashi> Fn+ something
[07:06] <Ashex> hatake_kakashi: that only works if I plug something into the vga out port
[07:07] <Ashex> and I lack that plug
[07:07] <hatake_kakashi> Ashex: huh.. wtf? if you don't plug anything onto the VGA out port on your laptop, it does not show up anything?
[07:08] <Ashex> Kubuntu setup immediately assumes for some reason, that the vga out port on my laptop is the main monitor, so no signal goes to my laptops screen
[07:08] <farous> Ashex: the only time i seen this problem is when configuring dual head on my notebook. seems your port is live somehow
[07:09] <farous> Ashex: do you hear the drums login sound after the system boot
[07:09] <farous> and i know your screen is dead
[07:09] <hatake_kakashi> Ashex: hmm
[07:09] <theball> brydenn: you around?
[07:10] <Ashex> nope
[07:10] <Ashex> I'd just go ahead and have kubuntu run the install and fix it through windows
[07:10] <farous> you do not wait for it to boot or it just hang the pc
[07:10] <Ashex> but Kubuntu installer asks me a few questions before it starts
[07:10] <farous> normally it will go through the boot process with a dead screen
[07:11] <Ashex> farous: I'm pretty sure it wasn't that
[07:11] <Ashex> after you boot off the dvd and are presented with the logo and command line and it says to hit enter to start install and f2 for expert install
[07:11] <farous> Ashex: i want to be on the same wave. your problem is after installation and during the first boot after the install right
[07:12] <Ashex> during install
[07:12] <farous> Ashex: you can just boot usiing a vga press F1 for options and look into them
[07:13] <farous> that at the start of the installation process the very start
[07:13] <Ashex> I'll try that...
[07:13] <Ashex> I'll be back in a few if that doesn't work :/
[07:13] <farous> good luck :)
[07:14] <Ashex> heh, thanks
[07:14] <Hysty> ch-ching
[07:25] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[07:26] <Psi-Jack> I'm guessing that there is no ubuntu package for vmware.
[07:27] <Psi-Jack> !vmware
[07:27] <farous> !find vmware
[07:27] <ubotu> xserver-xorg-driver-vmware: (X.Org X server -- VMWare driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2-77 (breezy), Packaged size: 79 kB, Installed size: 224 kB
[07:28] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[07:28] <farous> there is a howto for it on ubuntu forums
[07:31] <Psi-Jack> It's not just simple installation, is it?
[07:31] <Hysty> im installing win98 in Qemu atm
[07:31] <farous> i do not remember for i do not use it
[07:32] <farous> and am really getting tired :)
[07:35] <Psi-Jack> Hehe.
[07:35] <Psi-Jack> I tried qemu. It never would actually fully install Windows 2000.
[07:35] <Psi-Jack> And it was horribly slow. So I just re-upped my vmware license, and it runs pretty dang smoothly.
[07:40] <Hysty> yer, its a bit slow on the install process with Win98
[07:40] <Hysty> yet to see if it fully works tho
[07:40] <Hysty> whats vmware worth?
[07:41] <Psi-Jack> Roughly $200 for new licenses, or $100 for upgrades.
[07:41] <Hysty> thats US too
[07:41] <Psi-Jack> Yeah
[07:42] <Hysty> I dont need windows that much to justify AU$350
[07:43] <Hysty> i just need to get my tablet working in Ubuntu
[07:45] <Hysty> of which the pen seems to have gone missing
[07:54] <djzn> how do I make Konqui STICK with the left panel OPEN (F9)
[07:57] <Psi-Jack> Nice..
[07:57] <Psi-Jack> Seems like VMWare Player is even faster than VMWare Workstation. hehe
[07:58] <B1zz> no 3d support tho :(
[07:58] <B1zz> on any of them
[07:58] <Psi-Jack> Oh, I was about to say, that's not just vmware player. ;)
[07:58] <B1zz> :-p
[07:58] <B1zz> all i want is a single game
[07:59] <B1zz> AVP2
[07:59] <B1zz> that is all
[07:59] <djzn> how do I make Konqui STICK with the left panel OPEN (F9)
[07:59] <B1zz> and i would be really happy
[07:59] <Psi-Jack> I don't need 3D stuff. I just use Windows for stuff like updating my watch, or re-uploading the data to my watch because of it rebooting itself. And Dreamweaver, Photoshop, and stuff.
[07:59] <B1zz> ahh i see
[07:59] <B1zz> to your watch?
[07:59] <Psi-Jack> Yeah :)
[08:00] <B1zz> Psi-Jack = secret agent :)
[08:00] <Psi-Jack> heh. No. I just have a Timex DataLink USB watch. :p
[08:00] <_michelle> HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I am trying to print on my husband's XP computer, and am not having any luck.  I am a newbee at this, and have no clue as to what I am doing. We are trying to set up the printer and it is not working
[08:00] <B1zz> ahh i see
[08:01] <Psi-Jack> _michelle: You just lost my interest in helping you, with that kind of rudeness. :/
[08:02] <B1zz> grrrrr, damn windows.
[08:02] <_michelle> Psi-Jack: I'm sorry if you thought that I was being rude, which I was not,
[08:03] <Psi-Jack> HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <-- == Very bad netiquette, and I deem it, rude. That's me, and others often agree with that.
[08:03] <Ashex> well
[08:03] <Ashex> I got another problem :/
[08:03] <Ashex> setup hangs when installing libkdepim1
[08:04] <Ashex> neither the cd-rom drive nor the external showed any activity
[08:04] <_michelle> sorry , but i hve never done this before, have no idea shat i am doing . all i want is some help
[08:05] <Psi-Jack> _michelle: I see.. Presumably you have learned from this. I presume you are using Kubuntu?
[08:06] <Ashex> any workaround for when setup hangs? or have I gotten le shaft
[08:06] <_michelle> Psi-Jack: yes i am using  Kubuntu
[08:06] <Psi-Jack> _michelle: And... What have you done? What is the problem? You haven't really explained the details surrounding the problem.
[08:07] <Hysty> bah, Qemu and Win98 crashed
[08:08] <_michelle> Psi-Jack: i really do not know what to tell you
[08:08] <Psi-Jack> _michelle: Then, I really can't help you.
[08:08] <Ashex> _michelle: what was the process you went through when you encountered this problem?
[08:09] <Ashex> _michelle: what exactly were you doing?
[08:11] <Ashex> so.....
[08:11] <Psi-Jack> Heh, this is annoying. Trying to get Windows printer drivers for my printer, but Lexmark doesn't have the Z600-specific drivers. LOL
[08:11] <B1zz> i got one better
[08:11] <Ashex> I got this question...
[08:11] <Ashex> that needs this answer....
[08:11] <_michelle> Ashex:  Itried to print a letter from a file in openoffice, and it told me that i did not have a printer connection, my husband tried to get the connection set up and that has not worked
[08:11] <B1zz> can see Kubuntu box from windows but not the other way around!
[08:12] <B1zz> and sambe channel dead
[08:12] <hatake_kakashi> _michelle: I assume you have to make sure that your husband's computer has got the printer shared and that you can see it under the same workgroup
[08:12] <_michelle> Ashex: sorry i am a slow typer
[08:14] <_michelle> hatake_kakashi: yes,it is shared, but i do not know how to go about checking it
[08:14] <hatake_kakashi> _michelle: ok, hit Alt+F2, and in the dialog box type in konsole
[08:14] <hatake_kakashi> when prompted with a window that has got words on it and a big block cursor, type smbtree
[08:16] <hatake_kakashi> what you get is like a small network topology of the name of the workgroup seen by your kubuntu followed by the computers that are part of the network, and then you should be able to see hidden shares along with appropriate shares
[08:18] <_michelle> hatake_kakashi: umm? It printed a bunch of stuff in the black box, what do i do now?
[08:18] <hatake_kakashi> _michelle: ok, do you see your husband's computer name in it along with the words something like printer or something
[08:21] <ita> good morning
[08:21] <_michelle> hatake_kakashi: yes i do, and the one that i am trying to print to is the epsonr200
[08:21] <weedar> KDE freezes if I use the "nvidia" driver instead of the "nv" one. Could it be a wrong setting or is this definetely a broken video card issue?
[08:22] <Psi-Jack> weedar: What model Nvidia?
[08:22] <hatake_kakashi> _michelle: hmm, hang on
[08:22] <hatake_kakashi> !printing
[08:22] <ubotu> from memory, printing is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters or http://www.linuxprinting.org
[08:22] <weedar> Uhm, it's a geforce mx 5200 IIRC Psi-Jack
[08:22] <Psi-Jack> lspci will be more exact. :)
[08:23] <hatake_kakashi> _michelle: that may help, unfortunately I cannot go to those websites as of yet because I'm in the middle of updating and all.. if those guides fail to work, you may need to google for "printing HOWTO"
[08:23] <weedar> sorry Psi-Jack, for some reason I thought lspci only output pci-cards, not agp ones :D
[08:23] <weedar> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  (rev a1)
[08:24] <Psi-Jack> weedar: AGP is on the PCI bus, actually. Just pumped up 2x, 4x, 8x, etc times. :)
[08:24] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: it should also display AGP as well
[08:24] <Psi-Jack> FX and MX are two completely different things. That's why I had you go do that, since you weren't sure. ;)
[08:25] <weedar> Ah, my mistake :)
[08:25] <Psi-Jack> but, yeah.. That card is definately supported.
[08:25] <weedar> Yes I figured so, I believe I've had it working earlier too, with a previous installation
[08:25] <weedar> But I'm getting an impression this exact card might be buggy
[08:25] <_michelle> hatake_kakashi: ok, i'll try that
[08:26] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: which nvidia package did you get? I hope you didn't get the legacy ones
[08:26] <weedar> uhm
[08:26] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
[08:26] <Psi-Jack> hatake_kakashi: Good thinking.
[08:27] <weedar> I followed this guide - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:27] <Psi-Jack> Cool. My printer works in Windows. Now to just get the stupid Linux drivers working. Pain in the arse Lexmark closed-source drivers.
[08:27] <weedar> So no on the legacy-drivers :)
[08:27] <hatake_kakashi> Psi-Jack: heh oh well close
[08:27] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: hmm, close enough though
[08:28] <weedar> You mean I should've used different drivers?
[08:28] <hatake_kakashi> no I assumed you did
[08:28] <weedar> oh :)
[08:28] <Psi-Jack> Awww, crap.
[08:28] <Psi-Jack> Heh. I forgot, to hibernate my Win2K, instead of fully shut it down... Oh well. LOL
[08:29] <weedar> If only my local computer-hardware store had that cheap $30 card I'd just buy that
[08:29] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: just a question of curiousity, why try the latest nvidia drivers?
[08:30] <weedar> why? Well because newer is better?
[08:31] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: well, true, but it could also mean that it may not work well, etc
[08:32] <weedar> What do you suggest hatake_kakashi ?
[08:32] <weedar> btw, I see that for some reason I don't have any of the linux-restricted-module packages installed?
[08:32] <weedar> Could that be the reason?
[08:33] <weedar> ah nevermind, those were the legacy ones
[08:35] <weedar> Are Radeon cards less supported than nvidia? (I'm seriously contemplating getting a new card)
[08:35] <hatake_kakashi> that's what I was told in #linux channel anyway
[08:35] <weedar> If only I could find my receipt I'd go back and complain about this card
[08:36] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: I don't think its anything wrong with the card
[08:37] <weedar> Well my computer also froze earlier (months ago) when I tried to play GTA:San Andreas in windows. Could be a connection. Although I have also played other 3d-games without it freezing..
[08:37] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: it could be overheating problem, are you able to check the temps, etc?
[08:37] <weedar> I wouldn't know how hatake_kakashi
[08:38] <weedar> There doesn't seem to be a connector for temp
[08:38] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: hm
[08:38] <weedar> And if it's overheating from regular use it must be a faulty card
[08:39] <t3nd0> is there an all - in one video codec pack i can download that will let me play most videos
[08:39] <t3nd0> like vlc media for windows
[08:39] <Psi-Jack> Ewwww..
[08:39] <t3nd0> :/
[08:39] <Psi-Jack> All in one codec packs often break Windows.
[08:39] <t3nd0> newp
[08:39] <t3nd0> vlc is good
[08:39] <Psi-Jack> t3nd0: As for VLC..
[08:39] <t3nd0> never had any problems
[08:40] <Psi-Jack> It's NOT a codec pack.
[08:40] <t3nd0> well it does some magic and works
[08:40] <t3nd0> thats what i want
[08:40] <hatake_kakashi> vlc is a standalone versatile player
[08:40] <Psi-Jack> it's a cross platform, network streamable, multi-media standalone player.
[08:40] <t3nd0> k
[08:40] <Psi-Jack> And, guess what.
[08:40] <t3nd0> thats not the answer to my question
[08:40] <Psi-Jack> It's available for Linux.
[08:40] <t3nd0> YAY
[08:40] <hatake_kakashi> !vlc
[08:40] <ubotu> I guess vlc is a video/audio player that supports almost everything - See http://www.videolan.org/ for more information (VLC is in the repos)
[08:40] <B1zz> heheh
[08:40] <B1zz> ding ding ding you win!
[08:41] <Psi-Jack> t3nd0: If you noticed. I did answer your question, with "cross platform." :)
[08:41] <hatake_kakashi> it doesn't hurt to view their website
[08:41] <t3nd0> thanks :D
[08:42] <Psi-Jack> Ugh.
[08:42] <Psi-Jack> Fricken Kubuntu symantecs.. :/
[08:42] <weedar> relaxen und watschen das blinkenlichten?
[08:42] <Psi-Jack> I just want my desktop icons to use my filemanager profile, and NOT the webbrowser profile if it's up. :/
[08:43] <hatake_kakashi> was? Sprechen sie bisschen Deutsch ^^
[08:45] <Psi-Jack> Ich werde die folgende Person tten, um Deutsches zu sprechen.
[08:45] <_sandro> hi is there a reason to use "synaptic" instead of "adept" ?!
[08:45] <weedar> leider spreche ich nicht Deutsch, ich erindert nur ein bisschen von der schule
[08:45] <B1zz> eh?
[08:45] <weedar> So to prevent embarssing myself further I'll stick to english ;)
[08:46] <Psi-Jack> Thank you.
[08:46] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[08:46] <Psi-Jack> B1zz: I said, the next person to speak German, I'm gonna kill. :)
[08:46] <B1zz> heheh
[08:46] <hatake_kakashi> ita: nfi
[08:46] <ita> im trying to install my ati gfx board at the moment. and the installer fails cause i think i dont have kernel headers installed .. howto tells me to use synaptic .. i dont have that .. is it ok to dl the headers via adept `?
[08:46] <B1zz> weedar dead :-p
[08:46] <Psi-Jack> Ironically, weedar spoke in German, right after that statement. :)
[08:46] <ita> "nfi" ?!
[08:47] <weedar> Oh sorry Psi-Jack, I didn't read that. (although I did unerstand your german once I read it)
[08:47] <hatake_kakashi> ita: no fscking idea
[08:47] <Psi-Jack> Hehe.
[08:47] <ita> thats a great help, thank you
[08:47] <Psi-Jack> weedar: I speak fish very god.
[08:47] <Psi-Jack> good.
[08:47] <weedar> "very god" is a nice term :)
[08:47] <Psi-Jack> Thank you. :)
[08:48] <weedar> ita, you can use adept instead - They're both front-ends to apt-get anyway :)
[08:48] <Psi-Jack> Afterall, I know a friend who's nicknamed, Lord Gott. :)
[08:48] <weedar> hehe
[08:48] <Psi-Jack> Well, I should say, I /have/ a friend, nicknamed thaty. :p
[08:49] <Psi-Jack> Je parle franais aussi bien que beaucoup d'autres langues.
[08:49] <B1zz> no pero hablo espanol
[08:50] <Psi-Jack> That's French.
[08:50] <hatake_kakashi> thats French B1zz
[08:50] <B1zz> yeah i know :)
[08:50] <Psi-Jack> I can do Japanese too.
[08:50] <Psi-Jack> anime afterall 
[08:50] <weedar> wow, Mr. Multilingual in the house?
[08:50] <B1zz> i said no but i can talk spanish
[08:50] <weedar> or did you just use babelfish? :P
[08:50] <Psi-Jack> As I said, I speak fish very well. :)
[08:51] <B1zz> hehe
[08:51] <weedar> :D
[08:51] <B1zz> was gonna ask
[08:51] <Psi-Jack> But it is cool to see that Konversation handles Kanji rather well. :)
[08:51] <weedar> I actually did learn german in school, but at this point babelfish would probably result in beter german than what I could produce
[08:51] <B1zz> what fish was but, i though it was a net term so i shut up :-p
[08:52] <Psi-Jack> Z babelfish! The ultimate translator of translators of translators!
[08:52] <Psi-Jack> s/The/Z/
[08:52] <hatake_kakashi> Das ist mir doch scheissegal
[08:52] <hatake_kakashi> :P
[08:53] <hatake_kakashi> ^^
[08:53] <Psi-Jack> Sorry.. I've had literally nothing but coffee and home-made frappuccino's today.
[08:53] <B1zz> 0_o
[08:53] <weedar> It's okay, we were actually just discussing how "Z" should be used instead of "The" anyway
[08:54] <weedar> But please enlighten me as to how you were able to misspell a three-letter word with one letter, which incidentally isn't near most of the letters in "the"?
[08:55] <Psi-Jack> Art thou questioning my accent?!
[08:55] <weedar> Ah, you're french
[08:57] <Psi-Jack> LOL. No. I'm just wierd.
[08:57] <weedar> oh :)
[08:58] <Psi-Jack> I ran out of Dr. Pepper yesterday, and didn't go get anymore today, so I've had, like I said, coffee, and frappuccino's all day today.
[08:59] <weedar> You might consider geting some actual breakfast soon
[08:59] <Psi-Jack> Guess you could say, I'm probably a little high on the caffeine. ;)
[08:59] <Psi-Jack> weedar: heh. I've actually had breakfast... Like.. Umm.. 16 hours ago?
[09:00] <weedar> Oh yeah, timezones..
[09:00] <weedar> Everything would be so much easier if everyone lived in Europe and Africa
[09:00] <Psi-Jack> heh
[09:00] <Psi-Jack> I dunno man. I don't think my printer would be to A4 friendly. ;}
[09:01] <Psi-Jack> s/to/too
[09:01] <weedar> Yeah what's up with that. If there exist a standard for something you can be sure that Americans have their own standard for it
[09:01] <weedar> exist/exists
[09:01] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. It's ridiculous, really.
[09:05] <weedar> Im going to try and install the nvidia-drivers directly from nvidia, but it needs to be in non-X-mode to do so. How am I able to close X and only run console?
[09:05] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: Ctrl+Alt+Fx where x is the number for F1 to F6, F7 is X
[09:06] <weedar> but that only opens a console hatake_kakashi, X will still be running once I press Ctrl+Alt+F7
[09:06] <Psi-Jack> THERE.
[09:07] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: Xorg is just a GUI server, when you install the modules, etc the Xorg needs to be killed and once you are set, you need to startx again
[09:07] <Psi-Jack> I finally got my desktop icons to open the filemanagement profile, instead of loading into my existing webbrowser profile konqueror!
[09:07] <weedar> Psi-Jack, how?
[09:08] <Ashex> I ran into a slight problem
[09:08] <Psi-Jack> weedar: It's actually easy.. Ish..  I have unmounted/mounted media come up on my desktop, for one.
[09:08] <weedar> hatake_kakashi, so I should open a process, kill the xorg process and when done run startx?
[09:08] <Ashex> actually, I just need to know how to tell where the mount points are
[09:08] <Psi-Jack> I right clicked the DVD drive, and went to properties. I hit the Wrench button next to Unmounted DVD, and
[09:08] <weedar> Ashex, /media is common, check out /etc/fstab for information on where your partitions are mounted
[09:09] <Psi-Jack> For the Konqueror Application, I edited it. Switched to the Application tab, changed the name to File Manager, and the command to: kfmclient openProfile filemanagement %u
[09:09] <Ashex> weedar: I'm setting up Kubuntu on an external, I'm running Rescue mode off the dvd, and I'm not sure which mount point I should have used
[09:09] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: when you go on Ctrl+Alt+F1, etc, its a tty, a real terminal, from there its better to kill X
[09:09] <Ashex> I chose the wrong one so now I'm stuck at the final step where I need to modify the grub loader
[09:09] <Psi-Jack> It defaults to like kfmclient openURL %u inode/directory
[09:10] <weedar> hatake_kakashi, sorry, that was what I ment i should had a brainfart when I wrote that last sentence :)
[09:10] <weedar> -should
[09:10] <hatake_kakashi> ah
[09:10] <weedar> I might not be as awake as I first though
[09:10] <Psi-Jack> THAT will fix your inode/directory association globally.
[09:12] <Psi-Jack> I knew if I dug deep enough, I would find it, and fix it.
[09:12] <ita> i need to get "linux-headers" ... should i get "linux-headers-myKernelVersion" or "linux-headers-myKernelVersion-Architecture" ?!
[09:13] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[09:13] <Psi-Jack> Kubuntu.org has a wiki, doesn't it? :)
[09:14] <Psi-Jack> I want to submit this suggestion to fix the konqueror profile usage.. :)
[09:14] <ita> well its not that eloquent on my issues
[09:15] <Psi-Jack> ita: Excuse me?
[09:15] <Hobbsee> Psi-Jack: sure it does - wiki.kubuntu.org - but i'm not sure that's the most appropriate place for it
[09:16] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee: Why not? Most /everyone/ complains about it.
[09:16] <Hobbsee> i think that's being discussed in the meeting tomorrow
[09:16] <Psi-Jack> Yet.. Nobody knows how to fix it. And it's actually something Kubuntu packaging did to break it.
[09:17] <Psi-Jack> Meeting? Tomorrow?
[09:19] <ita> im saying that i see the effort people put into kubuntu.org wiki and all that and i appreciate that .. but what i find there does not help me at all with issues im dealing with for 2 days now (evolution -> exchange / cifs mounts via mount -t cifs and or /etc/fstab and installing my ati 9600) ... so i keep on asking here .. i know wiki, i know google and i used that ..
[09:20] <Psi-Jack> ita: What is your current need?
[09:20] <ita> a coffee and a cigarette :)
[09:21] <Psi-Jack> Done! *snaps his fingers*
[09:21] <ita> wizzzzzzard
[09:21] <Psi-Jack> BTW, It may take up to 22 years for them to finally arrive.
[09:22] <Psi-Jack> ita: Seriously, now. What is your current need?
[09:23] <Psi-Jack> I got an idea. I may just make a KDE Tips & Tricks wiki.. If wiki.kubuntu.org will ever let me save.
[09:24] <ita> at the moment im installing the ati prop driver 8.22.5 and my last question was whether to get linux-headers-KERNEL_Version or linux-headers-KERNEL_Verision-Architecture .. (i chose the the one with arch)
[09:24] <Psi-Jack> Ahh. Yeah. That's probably a good idea. Less clutter and crap, basically.
[09:25] <Psi-Jack> No need for the sparc, irix, etc. headers, when all you have is cisc x86
[09:34] <weedar> Just killing Xorg didn't work
[09:34] <Psi-Jack> Working on my Wiki. :)
[09:35] <ita> no its getting funny here .. ati installer runs through - tells me there where errors and points me to a fglrx-install.log file which i 0 bytes in size
[09:35] <ita> s/no/now
[09:35] <Hobbsee> Psi-Jack: sure, Thu, Feb 16th 2006 - 20:00 UTC -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings -- be there
[09:35] <Hobbsee> not sure who's talking in it though
[09:35] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. That for this channel?
[09:36] <Hobbsee> well it's for the kubuntu-developers team, so i dunno
[09:36] <Hobbsee> i'm sure that'll be discussed in it though
[09:38] <Psi-Jack> heh. One could hope.
[09:43] <Psi-Jack> Well, it's basic, and yet, informative, but it's up. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PsiJack
[09:43] <Psi-Jack> I'm probably going to go and do many of those little tiny KDE tweaks people (including myself) get annoyed with. ;)
[09:44] <weedar> Any suggestions as to how I can stop xorg completely?
[09:44] <Kurt``> ctrl-alt-backspace ?
[09:44] <weedar> Only run in console
[09:44] <Psi-Jack> kill -9 it's pid?
[09:44] <weedar> that only restartx xorg
[09:45] <Psi-Jack> Or do you mean kdm?
[09:45] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: kill -9 `pidof Xorg`
[09:45] <weedar> I'll try that
[09:45] <Psi-Jack> If you mean to stop kdm, the Display Manager, where you login at, is to use /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[09:45] <ubijtsa> weedar: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager and put a '!' at the start of the line
[09:46] <Psi-Jack> hatake_kakashi: Actually, just X
[09:46] <Psi-Jack> pidof X
[09:46] <Psi-Jack> ubijtsa: Umm.
[09:46] <hatake_kakashi> Psi-Jack: ahh yeah that
[09:46] <hatake_kakashi> my bad
[09:46] <ubijtsa> Psi-Jack: well, it'll stop it from starting at boot :)
[09:47] <weedar> but I want it to stop from restarting now, I just wan to install nvidia-drivers
[09:47] <Psi-Jack> ubijtsa: At boot.. Hmm, yes.. True. Is that what weedar wants?
[09:47] <ubijtsa> rather than messing with removing symlinks in /etc/rc?.d
[09:47] <Psi-Jack> weedar: /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[09:47] <Psi-Jack> ubijtsa: That's easy. update-rc.d makes it very easy.
[09:47] <ubijtsa> Psi-Jack: until you update Xorg yes
[09:48] <ubijtsa> then the links come back
[09:48] <Psi-Jack> Not if you divert. :)
[09:48] <ubijtsa> hmm. true
[09:48] <Psi-Jack> heh
[09:48] <Psi-Jack> I don't know dpkg and apt all /too/ well, but I learn painfully fast. :)
[09:49] <ubijtsa> But it took me most of yesterday getting there
[09:49] <Psi-Jack> That, and I've used Debian before. Many many eons ago.
[09:49] <ubijtsa> :)
[09:49] <weedar> If I disappear that means it worked Psi-Jack  (hopefully)
[09:50] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[09:50] <Psi-Jack> I assume.. it worked.
[09:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:50] <Hobbsee> *page
[09:50] <Hobbsee> ubijtsa2: yay!
[09:50] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee: Good little short, Wiki, I wrote for now, though, eh?
[09:50] <ubijtsa> Hobbsee: heh
[09:50] <Hobbsee> yeah - not sure if many people will see it
[09:50] <ice_1963> psi-jack: that's what i'm running right now
[09:51] <ubijtsa> Hobbsee: url?
[09:51] <Psi-Jack> ice_1963: Hmm?
[09:51] <Hobbsee> ubijtsa: to my wiki page?
[09:51] <ubijtsa> da
[09:51] <ice_1963> kde 3.5.1 etch
[09:51] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hobbsee
[09:51] <Hobbsee> where else would it be?
[09:51] <Psi-Jack> Maybe I can get a !keyword to my wiki somehow. :)
[09:51] <Psi-Jack> Just like mine. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PsiJack
[09:51] <ice_1963> kernel 2.6.15.1 lol
[09:52] <Psi-Jack> Except the WIKI STRIPPED my -!
[09:52] <ubijtsa> ah.. I used my WikiName
[09:52] <ubijtsa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndersKarlsson
[09:52] <Hobbsee> either work, i think
[09:53] <ubijtsa> maybe
[09:54] <ubijtsa> GNumeric being one
[09:59] <Psi-Jack> heh
[09:59] <ubijtsa> Ya ya, I run KDE and use GNumeric...
[09:59] <Psi-Jack> Has anyone tried that kfmclient profile trick yet? :)
[10:05] <Psi-Jack> I just added how to make the change globally, as well as just for a single user. :}
[10:05] <Psi-Jack> On that note, I must sleep.
[10:06] <ubijtsa> needs even *lol*
[10:07] <Psi-Jack> heh
[10:07] <ubijtsa> (and before anyone asks HOW I could mistype that - I use Dvorak
[10:07] <ubijtsa> )
[10:07] <Psi-Jack> Definately sleep time.
[10:07] <Psi-Jack> ubijtsaStandard, LH, or RH?
[10:07] <ubijtsa> Standard
[10:08] <Psi-Jack> I switch, sometimes. Mostly between LH and Standard.
[10:08] <Psi-Jack> I want that programmable keyboard that would work so perfectly with the whole switching concept. :D
[10:08] <Psi-Jack> Blah, anyway. Sleep. Night
[10:08] <ubijtsa> I add some switches to setxkbmap for compose, that works for me
[10:09] <ubijtsa>  :)
[10:18] <^rob^> hi
[10:18] <^rob^> Can somebody help me with lvm? = i have a hdd - where /dev/hda3 is a lvm partition - lvm lvscan say that the partitions found there are inactive - how do i make them active?
[10:20] <ubijtsa> ^rob^: vgchange -ay
[10:20] <^rob^> ty
[10:20] <ubijtsa> np
[10:20] <weedar> It worked!
[10:36] <neosc> I just got Ubuntu to connect to the net.. no wi need to hear some sound.. i have simple 2 piece speakers.. ubuntu hasnt recognized them... what do i do?
[10:41] <neosc> lo??
[10:42] <Hysty> you need to get your soundcard working
[10:42] <Hysty> do you know what sort of soundcard is installed?
[10:42] <neosc> its inbuilt on the motherboard..
[10:43] <neosc> and i do have the motherboard CD
[10:43] <neosc> but i dont think it has linux drivers
[10:43] <neosc> I think it was realtek audio..
[10:43] <Hysty> if its built into the mainboard then it should be a fairly basic card
[10:44] <Hysty> you are getting no sound at all?
[10:44] <neosc> nope
[10:44] <neosc> none at all
[10:44] <Hysty> are you in kde?
[10:44] <neosc> ububtu.. gnome
[10:45] <ubijtsa> you can from a terminal do 'cat /dev/sndstat' and see if you have devices recognised.
[10:45] <Hysty> go to 'Applications' then System Tools, then click on 'Ubuntu Device Database'
[10:46] <neosc> gone
[10:47] <Hysty> neosc, the first thing in there is an audio test
[10:47] <neosc> yes,.. i hear nothing..
[10:47] <neosc> rest worked perfectly
[10:47] <Hysty> neosc, does it show up a detected card?
[10:48] <Hysty> sure the speakers are plugged in properly?
[10:48] <neosc> yupp.. work fine in windows
[10:49] <Hysty> what is the model card it is showing up?
[10:50] <neosc> if i try to run the volume meter.. i get "cannot connect to sound deamon please run 'esd' at command prompt"
[10:51] <Hysty> did you run the 'cat /dev/sndstat' that ubijtsa mentioned?
[10:52] <neosc> no!.. i installed linux yesterday.. cud you be a little specific
[10:53] <Hysty> open up a terminal window (applications, accessories, terminal)
[10:53] <Hysty> then type in 'cat /dev/sndstat' and hit enter
[11:03] <sniff> oh dear....
[11:03] <sniff> here i am again rotting in the irc channel, i think linux means too much to me
[11:04] <hatake_kakashi> patience and persistence... patience and persistence.. patience and persistence.. :D
[11:05] <Hysty> ch-ching
[11:05] <sniff> well you know what amazing thing i stumbled upon today...
[11:05] <hatake_kakashi> what?
[11:05] <sniff> the tea cooker in kde toys
[11:05] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[11:05] <sniff> absolutely marvelous :D
[11:05] <sniff> that made my day
[11:06] <Hysty> tea cooker?
[11:06] <sniff> god my life is so meaningless, the only thing i can look forward to is my next cuppa
[11:06] <sniff> yeah  KTeaTime
[11:06] <sniff> atleast with this i can brew it perfectly
[11:06] <Hysty> cant drink tea
[11:06] <Hysty> makes me want to puke
[11:06] <sniff> hehe
[11:07] <Hysty> so its strong coffees for me
[11:07] <sniff> well right now i'm in china, tea is their speciality, i'm sure there is one you'd like
[11:07] <Hysty> yer, probably
[11:07] <Hysty> i dont like instant coffee either so I only make plunger style or whatever
[11:08] <Hysty> when I can be bothered
[11:08] <sniff> Hysty: fuss person!
[11:08] <SoloS> hi
[11:08] <sniff> mind you, i always owned a filter coffe machine
[11:09] <sniff> digikam has also made me rather happy, apart from something that doesn't work in it
[11:10] <Hysty> yer too fussy
[11:10] <ubijtsa> espresso coffee - or no coffee
[11:10] <ubijtsa> weak coffee is pointless, so is polluting it with sugar or milk
[11:11] <Hysty> no tablet users in here yet?
[11:11] <sniff> ubijtsa: quite so, except when the coffee is of inferior quality, stirring in some sugar/milk can be advantageous
[11:11] <sniff> any of you installed pkgsrc?
[11:12] <ubijtsa> sniff: colombian or kenyan coffee, roasted italian style..
[11:13] <sniff> ubijtsa: sounds like a nescafe advert to me
[11:13] <Hysty> yay my kubuntu-desktop has finished downloading
[11:13] <sniff> if I have a choice I opt for a dreg of Illy
[11:14] <sniff> although I've been known to be happy sipping Lavazza
[11:16] <ubijtsa> lavazza is nice
[11:16] <ubijtsa> again, italian roast :)
[11:16] <sniff> now to make my day complete, i need to find out where kweather has been installed.... any suggestions?
[11:16] <Hysty> welcome to #ubuntucoffeemachine
[11:17] <sniff> heyhey!
[11:17] <ubijtsa> dpkg -L kweather  ?
[11:17] <sniff> what this do?
[11:17] <ubijtsa> lists the files the package installed
[11:17] <Hysty> brb
[11:17] <sniff> ah well it's installed
[11:17] <sniff> how i make it work?
[11:18] <ubijtsa> add applet to panel? :)
[11:18] <sniff> nope
[11:18] <sniff> should be under TOYS
[11:18] <sniff> but i just got my tea timer there
[11:19] <sniff> in run dialoge i type kweather
[11:19] <sniff> not found
[11:20] <sniff> why am i the only sad git in #ubuntucoffeemachine?
[11:20] <Hysty> excellent
[11:21] <sniff> Hysty: your restart ok?
[11:22] <sniff> oh my god
[11:22] <Hysty> yup, kde up and running nicely
[11:23] <sniff> anything i do on the computer it says "su returned with an error"
[11:23] <sniff> i try to run adept, or change the time
[11:23] <paines> hi
[11:23] <sniff> oh ffs only yesterday i reinstalled the bloody thing
[11:24] <hatake_kakashi> might be helpful if there is a log explaining why, don't know but it could be under kernel message buffer
[11:24] <sniff> hatake_kakashi: where is this log?
[11:24] <paines> I would like to settup printing with kprinter via smb. but smb is grayed out. anyone know why ?
[11:24] <sniff> paines: me thinks you either need to install smb or enter administrator mode
[11:24] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: hmm a rough assumption would be somewhere in /var/log.. but I don't know which
[11:25] <paines> sniff, tried both already
[11:25] <Hysty> paines, installed smbfs?
[11:25] <paines> Hysty, let me check
[11:27] <sniff> paines: then i'm all out of ideas!
[11:27] <paines> Hysty, no success. installed it.
[11:27] <paines> sniff, try sudo su. and you become root. and then execute your root commands
[11:27] <paines> too late
[11:29] <callie> sudo -i works too
[11:31] <callie> it seems odd but now i use linux i really wish i'd gone to uni
[11:31] <orion_fr_24> !flash
[11:31] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:32] <hatake_kakashi> callie: for the speeds? heh
[11:32] <callie> speeds?
[11:32] <callie> no... to learn stuff
[11:32] <callie> duh
[11:32] <hatake_kakashi> ah
[11:32] <callie> :D
[11:33] <paines> you can learn stuff without uni either
[11:33] <callie> true
[11:33] <callie> but it would be nice to be with other like minded people
[11:34] <callie> kinda like here i guess
[11:34] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[11:34] <hatake_kakashi> you just contradicted yourself somewhat ;)
[11:34] <callie> not really
[11:34] <callie> there are similarities
[11:34] <paines> callie, with other minded people being together if un in the begning, but starts sucking really soon
[11:34] <paines> believe me
[11:35] <paines> expecially for universities
[11:35] <paines> speaking for germany
[11:35] <sniff> 4 years in english unis - enjoyed every moment of it!
[11:35] <callie> i just wish i had given my brain a better chance
[11:35] <callie> it needs infomation word things!
[11:35] <callie> n stuff
[11:36] <callie> english unis? or english studen unions?
[11:36] <callie> +t
[11:36] <sniff> well both as it happens
[11:36] <callie> :D
[11:37] <sniff> into uni for lectures and then onto the union to numb the mind on beer
[11:37] <callie> exactly
[11:37] <callie> which uni?
[11:37] <sniff> and then lecture
[11:37] <sniff> and then work
[11:37] <sniff> then home
[11:37] <sniff> and then club
[11:37] <sniff> i went to Southampton and Plymouth unis
[11:38] <callie> cool, I've heard good things about Plymouth Uni
[11:38] <callie> is Hobbsee still here?
[11:38] <Hobbsee> callie: indeed
[11:38] <callie> hey
[11:39] <sniff> well i think the best thing about it is that it has two excellent bars (Bar R and Cuba) right across the road, perfect for mid-day cocktails
[11:39] <paines> lol
[11:39] <callie> Hobbsee, i was wandering if there was anything we or you could do to get host masking implimented on this server?
[11:39] <cion> hey all can someone help me with these instructions i don't understand (Im noob)http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=28743
[11:39] <Hobbsee> host masking?  on the IP addresses?
[11:39] <callie> or if there was any reason it doesnt do it already that is Hobbsee
[11:39] <callie> yeah
[11:43] <m0ns00n> did anyone notice problems with xmlhttprequest under the newest konqueror version?
[11:44] <sniff> is someone able to tell me if they have digikam installed and what version it is please/...?
[11:44] <rockbar> hey dudes :)
[11:45] <sniff> rockbar: dude
[11:45] <apokryphos> sniff: /msg ubotu info digikam
[11:46] <sniff> i was wondering what version someone had
[11:46] <sniff> and if they are able to access the batch-processing sub-menu
[11:50] <sniff> hatake_kakashi: are you still around?
[11:51] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: yup
[11:51] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: btw
[11:52] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: paines said to use sudo
[11:52] <hatake_kakashi> err sudo su
[11:52] <sniff> i restarted the comp, and it solved that problem
[11:53] <sniff> i thought coming on to linux i could avoid these windows style restarts
[11:53] <sniff> guess i was hoping for too much
[11:53] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: generally that should be the case
[11:53] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: I assume you had errors whilst in GUI?
[11:54] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: should= should not*
[11:54] <hatake_kakashi> hmm I really need my next dose of energy lol
[11:55] <sniff> linux is less stable?
[11:56] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: no, but it depends, if you do like to mess with things alot, things can become frustrating
[11:56] <sniff> :D
[11:56] <sniff> you know me too well
[11:56] <sniff> hatake_kakashi: do you have digikam installed?
[11:57] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: nah
[11:58] <sniff> bummer
[11:58] <kosh> you only need to restart if you replace the kernel
[11:58] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: I know that linux can be frustrating, but I'm sure it does not constantly require restarts.. unlike windows where its heavily dependent on the GUI side, in linux, its just a matter of restarting and/or killing and starting x again
[11:58] <sniff> shift+backspace?
[11:58] <sniff> ctrl+alt+bakspace
[11:59] <kosh> you can kill x and just start it up again
[11:59] <Hobbsee> callie: i think it's to stop using people using anonymous proxies, which become a havoc for banning - but i'm not that much of an expert on IRC at all, really...
[12:00] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[12:00] <hatake_kakashi> if that does not work, try going into console, kill it and start it again from there
[12:00] <callie> Hobbsee, thats why the server hides the hosts, it gives everyone privacy but ops and admins can still see the hosts true identity
[12:01] <Hobbsee> ah ok - i have no idea, sorry
[12:01] <hatake_kakashi> callie: you mean hostmasking? why do you want that
[12:01] <callie> hatake_kakashi, scroll up
[12:03] <hatake_kakashi> callie: you may have to talk to lilo (netadmin I think) about that.. but I don't really see there is a need to cover up such identities
[12:04] <callie> if there was no need for host masking then why would it exist in the first place?
[12:04] <hatake_kakashi> people feel insecure
[12:04] <hatake_kakashi> imo :)
[12:06] <callie> or just that people have a right to privacy and anonymity
[12:40] <snoozix> is there a way to do this?
[12:45] <snoozix> is there an additional software equalizer that i can use with alsa applications (xmms)? the builtin eq in xmms does not satisfy my needs at all and it sounds crappy.
[12:46] <apokryphos> snoozix: my advice: don't use bad players like xmms
[12:46] <snoozix> apokryphos: xmms is a great mp3 player software.
[12:46] <apokryphos> no, it's lame mp3 software
[12:47] <apokryphos> considering *any* of the competition
[12:47] <snoozix> apokryphos: i couldn't think of any other player that is as good.
[12:47] <apokryphos> snoozix: heh, try...... erm, *any* other one.
[12:47] <apokryphos> !players
[12:47] <ubotu> players is, like, totally, Audio/MP3 Players: amaroK, Banshee, Beep-media-player, JuK, Rhythmbox, XMMS ; Video players: Totem, Xine, Mplayer, VLC
[12:47] <snoozix> apokryphos: i hate these "have to built a database" players. my mp3 collection changes every 2 minutes.
[12:47] <snoozix> apokryphos: i know all of them.
[12:47] <apokryphos> snoozix: I don't know any of them that *have* to build a database
[12:48] <snoozix> apokryphos: i just don't want it their way.
[12:48] <snoozix> apokryphos: xmms fits my needs perfectly.
[12:48] <arrinmurr> xmms is great :)
[12:48] <kosh> I prefer amarok since it can do output with xine and xine can do 7.1 audio easily
[12:48] <snoozix> apokryphos: if there would be a player that's nearly as cool as foobar2000 for windows, i would consider rethinking about that.
[12:49] <apokryphos> snoozix: but have you tried all of them? I personally recommend amaroK and/or JuK
[12:49] <apokryphos> arrinmurr: it really really isn't
[12:49] <snoozix> xmms does exactly what i want and the crossfader plugin is absolutely configurable and fits my needs perfectly.
[12:49] <snoozix> apokryphos: again, i am INTO it. don't blame me.
[12:50] <snoozix> apokryphos: yes i have tried all of them.
[12:50] <apokryphos> kosh: what 7.1 audio files do you have exactly? ;-)
[12:50] <apokryphos> snoozix: never tried it, so couldn't really comment.
[12:50] <apokryphos> kosh: though yes, xine engine is a big plus in general for me.
[12:50] <snoozix> apokryphos: it's great and works with absolutely low latency once you set it up correctly. it's a honour to use it.
[12:50] <kosh> apokryphos: I have a 7.1 speaker setup, if I play with normal output the signal is not upmixed correctly, however xine will do it right
[12:50] <apokryphos> snoozix: many of the others have perfectly well working fading options
[12:50] <apokryphos> without all the ugliness I might add
[12:51] <snoozix> nobody ever needs more than 2 speakers to listen to music.
[12:51] <kosh> xmms though  I find is just too tiny for me to even read the stuff in it
[12:51] <kosh> snoozix: I do have some 5.1 audio discs
[12:51] <apokryphos> snoozix: well "I just like it" I'm not going to argue with
[12:51] <snoozix> apokryphos: maybe. i tried all of them and switched back to xmms latest 1 day after checking it out.
[12:51] <apokryphos> snoozix: then I bet you didn't try them properly
[12:51] <snoozix> apokryphos: and i mean it for real, i don't talk senseless shit just to keep up a stupid discussion :)
[12:52] <endo602> is there a place I can ask general linux questoins?
[12:52] <snoozix> apokryphos: i did.
[12:52] <arrinmurr> apokryphos: xmms plays many formats (all the formats i need anyway), it has the winamp look and it's lightweight - what else does one need? ;)
[12:52] <kosh> snoozix: ah so no sub for music ever then?
[12:52] <endo602> like how do i shut off the caps lock key?
[12:52] <kosh> snoozix: what about movies? I guess we don't need surround either? or have you ever listended to some bach music in the original quadraphonic sound?
[12:52] <apokryphos> winamp look is why everyone uses it, and it's a little silly. It's really worth trying the others to get a proper view of the competition
[12:52] <snoozix> kosh: i recommend a GOOD soundcard and 2 excellent speakers.
[12:52] <snoozix> kosh: no subwoofer plastic throwaway stuff pretending to be hifi. it's lame.
[12:52] <apokryphos> arrinmurr: well personally I find it tremendously ugly (X menus? Come on now), and ultimately lacking in features
[12:53] <snoozix> apokryphos: definitely NO!
[12:53] <snoozix> apokryphos: DISagreed.
[12:53] <apokryphos> what?
[12:53] <snoozix> apokryphos: the winamp look is a shame. i don't like it.
[12:53] <endo602> is there a way to use microsoft onenote 2003 on kubuntu?
[12:53] <snoozix> apokryphos: i like the player itself.
[12:53] <apokryphos> snoozix: good for you =)
[12:53] <snoozix> apokryphos: it's NOT why i use xmms.
[12:53] <snoozix> apokryphos: in fact.
[12:53] <apokryphos> snoozix: what exactly is good about the player?
[12:53] <snoozix> apokryphos: it just works.
[12:53] <endo602> its small
[12:53] <apokryphos> so do the others
[12:53] <endo602> no frills
[12:54] <apokryphos> juk is reasonably small; beep is smaller
[12:54] <endo602> just plays music
[12:54] <apokryphos> so the ugliness is a plus?
[12:54] <apokryphos> ok.....
[12:54] <snoozix> apokryphos: beep is xmms with gtk2. nothing else.
[12:54] <kkathman-zzzz> lol
[12:54] <endo602> kkathman-zzzz:  is there a way to shut off my caps key for good?
[12:54] <apokryphos> snoozix: exactly! So why would you use xmms. It's the last thing I recommend, but it's still much better.
[12:54] <kosh> snoozix: http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=4&subcategory=113&product=9306  that is what I am using
[12:54] <snoozix> apokryphos: because i HATE gtk2 file selection dialogs.
[12:55] <kkathman-zzzz> shut off the caps key?? I dont think so
[12:55] <snoozix> apokryphos: they are a DISEASE and make life MUCH harder for me.
[12:55] <apokryphos> X ones are probably worse
[12:55] <apokryphos> but true -- I don't like them neither
[12:55] <endo602> that sux
[12:55] <apokryphos> snoozix: what's wrong with juk?
[12:55] <kkathman-zzzz> endo602:  wouldnt that be a bit radical if you had to write a letter?
[12:55] <endo602> i can disable temporarily
[12:55] <endo602> why?
[12:55] <kkathman-zzzz> uhm, proper nouns?
[12:56] <endo602> caps lock key
[12:56] <kkathman-zzzz> ohh caps LOCK
[12:56] <endo602> i can use shift
[12:56] <kkathman-zzzz> hehe
[12:56] <endo602> yeah sorry
[12:56] <snoozix> apokryphos: i can't think of any reason why "Home" should be /home/myname and not /home. i can't figure out why there isn't "." and ".." anymore. i can the fuck not figure out why i need bookmarks for folders when i simply want a normal navigation with a textinput area to navigate through my shit.
[12:56] <kkathman-zzzz> sounds like you have fat fingers like me :)
[12:56] <kkathman-zzzz> hehe
[12:56] <snoozix> apokryphos: why do they set those silly aliases and not let us think that way.
[12:56] <apokryphos> snoozix: alright cowboy -- calm down ;-). I hate them too, as I said =)
[12:56] <arrinmurr> apokryphos: well, i don't need any cool features. and the look of the menus? who cares? amaroK is maybe nice, but it's like 5x as heavy as xmms. oh well, luckily there are many players for people to choose from, but i'll always be there to defend xmms anyway ;)
[12:56] <endo602> small laptop keyboard
[12:56] <kkathman-zzzz> hehe
[12:57] <apokryphos> snoozix: there was a really good movie clip recording demonstrating some frustration caused with gtk file open dialog
[12:57] <snoozix> apokryphos: i had hours of discussions about that silly gtk2 file selection dialogs. if programmers think their users are idiots, only idiots will use their software. that's the way things are.
[12:57] <snoozix> apokryphos: and it IS the way things are.
[12:57] <apokryphos> arrinmurr: fine and dandy; as I said, I won't argue with "I just like it". amaroK is not the only player out there; JuK is a featureful alternative that is quite lightweight.
[12:58] <apokryphos> snoozix: alright Linus :P
[12:58] <snoozix> apokryphos: they are the worst "life easier making" stuff i had to work with since starting using linux. gtk2 developers should be arrested lifelong for this piece of SHIT.
[12:58] <arrinmurr> apokryphos: i bet it's still heavier than xmms :/
[12:58] <apokryphos> snoozix: alright alright -- language please.
[12:58] <kkathman-zzzz> geez
[12:59] <endo602> what do you guys think is wiser a dual boot partition with linux and kubuntu or a linux box with a wm windows?
[12:59] <apokryphos> arrinmurr: I bet mpg321 is lighter than xmms too ;-)
[12:59] <endo602> vm windows
[12:59] <snoozix> apokryphos: sorry, but you try to get me in your way and i don't feel like trying out software i know i'm frustrated of a few hours after trying. and i just would need a cool eq. nothing else.
[12:59] <apokryphos> your last rant was pretty wasted though -- I said from the out-take that I detest gtk file open dialog too :)
[01:00] <kosh> I have to admit I can't see any realy difference in resource consumption between amarok and xmms
[01:00] <snoozix> mpg321 is a hacked up mpg123. i recommend everyone to compile it's own mpg123 and throw away that deb stuff. it has more latency and some keyboard bindings don't work.
[01:00] <endo602> kkathman-zzzz: you out of ideas?
[01:01] <arrinmurr> apokryphos: actually, it seems to be ~2x as heavy as xmms :D
[01:01] <apokryphos> arrinmurr: what? JuK?
[01:01] <arrinmurr> apokryphos: mpg321
[01:01] <snoozix> amarok doesn't play correctly, it jitters and jumps all the time.
[01:01] <apokryphos> I very much doubt that
[01:01] <snoozix> drrt-drrz-drrttzz-drrttz
[01:01] <apokryphos> snoozix: what engine, and what file format?
[01:02] <snoozix> great.
[01:02] <arrinmurr> apokryphos: well, that's what top says
[01:02] <snoozix> cool player.
[01:02] <snoozix> apokryphos: mp3 with alsasink
[01:02] <apokryphos> snoozix: obviously if you're getting that then you've encountered a bug (or you're doing something wrong), the player isn't actually like that.
[01:02] <snoozix> apokryphos: i don't think i'm doing anything wrong.
[01:03] <kosh> top is not accurate for memory usage
[01:03] <apokryphos> snoozix: you on breezy?
[01:03] <kosh> snoozix: I would use the xine output
[01:03] <snoozix> apokryphos: yes.
[01:04] <snoozix> kosh: i just try it out, yeah.
[01:04] <callie> I use amarok xine and im more than satisfied with it
[01:04] <apokryphos> snoozix: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.3.8.php
[01:04] <kosh> snoozix: amarok works fine but gstreamer needs a lot of work
[01:04] <apokryphos> it will probably get that with kde 4 =)
[01:05] <callie> g streamer needs ditching, or at least removing until its half way usefull
[01:05] <apokryphos> it's not that bad, really :D
[01:05] <callie> erm
[01:05] <callie> it doesnt play mp3's properly
[01:05] <apokryphos> does here
[01:05] <kosh> it plays mp3s fine
[01:05] <snoozix> ok it works. so why can't i just have a single window with a playlist? why is the current playlist entry pulsating? why do i have to get used to this home/current/content/collection (dont want it) tabs?
[01:06] <snoozix> why can't it read id3 info when i CLICK on a track?
[01:06] <snoozix> argh
[01:06] <apokryphos> snoozix: (i) you can (ii) it's called the "now playing affect" -- might be alterable, (iii) you don't.
[01:06] <snoozix> and i really don't like the interface :(
[01:06] <dipnlik> snoozix: use mp3blaster instead
[01:06] <callie> its all jittery on mine and i dont think i should have to tweak the hell out of it or have super computer to work
[01:06] <apokryphos> sure
[01:06] <dipnlik> snoozix: or make a player with all you like
[01:07] <snoozix> dipnlik: xmms works as i want it to. it's good.
[01:07] <dipnlik> snoozix: so......... use iiiiiiiiit! :)
[01:07] <callie> xmms is great if you run at 1024x768
[01:07] <snoozix> dipnlik: i just tried to figure out why i don't like that other stuff because i got caught in that silly discussion.
[01:07] <callie> otherwise its tiny
[01:07] <snoozix> dipnlik: i am here to discuss things :)
[01:07] <snoozix> dipnlik: don't blame me. i know what i'm using and why.
[01:08] <callie> snoozix, if you like it and it works that all the reason you need, surely thats why we're all using Kubuntu in the first place
[01:09] <snoozix> callie: i'm using ubuntu with apt-get install kde, so where's the matter? :)
[01:09] <kosh> well at higher rez xmms is just not usable
[01:09] <snoozix> kosh: not really true.
[01:09] <snoozix> kosh: depends on the skin you use.
[01:09] <callie> snoozix, i was agreeing with you
[01:09] <sniff> has anyone had problems with faulty menus in kde. Like you click on TOOLS and then go to a submenu but it doesn't display?
[01:10] <snoozix> kosh: the default is not easy to read then, that's right.
[01:10] <snoozix> kosh: see it positivy, it doesn't take much space on your desktop then :)
[01:10] <snoozix> callie: i know, but i wasn't with you :)
[01:10] <dipnlik> sniff: there is one image viewing program that has a Tools item but no subitems
[01:10] <callie> snoozix, I think you're confusing 'discuss' with 'argue needlessly'
[01:11] <snoozix> and i WILL keep up those discussions until people stop trying to get me to software i don't like just because i need a player with a GOOD octave equalizer like 31, 62, 125hz and so on.
[01:11] <dipnlik> sniff: can't remember what it was, kuickshow, gwenview, something like that
[01:11] <kosh> snoozix: I have 4 monitors and I don't keep the audio player visable anyways
[01:11] <snoozix> callie: hehehe
[01:11] <kosh> snoozix: I just load it up to set a collection of songs to play
[01:11] <snoozix> kosh: i got 3 and sometimes i really search xmms on my desktop, yes :)
[01:12] <snoozix> kosh: but it's not that problem with virtual desktops and a taskbar wm.
[01:12] <snoozix> at least amarok now plays mp3s. not bad.
[01:12] <tristan_> hello
[01:13] <snoozix> i think i will use it for 2 or 3 days and then shift back to xmms :)
[01:13] <snoozix> hi tristan_
[01:13] <snoozix> np: police - de do do do, de da da da :)
[01:13] <snoozix> allright, gotta do stuff. cu all in 6 hours or so.
[01:13] <snoozix> and anyways, thanks a lot for helping me :)
[01:14] <tristan_> I have created a startup script in /home/tristan/.kde/Autostart which should automatically launch my xmodmap but it just open it with kate everytime I launch kde... anyone knows why?
[01:14] <paines> trappist, ist it executable ?
[01:14] <tristan_> My file is called xmod and looks like that :       #!/bin/sh
[01:14] <tristan_>       xmodmap /etc/xmodmap.conf
[01:14] <paines> ups
[01:14] <dipnlik> tristan_: chmod +x on your file ?
[01:14] <paines> in mean tristan_
[01:15] <tristan_> Already +x for user, group and other
[01:16] <paines> tristan_, look into ~/.xsession-errors for error messages
[01:16] <tristan_> Does the file xmod need to belong to me or to root?
[01:17] <tristan_> Would this be an answer...
[01:17] <tristan_> kdecore (KLibLoader): WARNING: KLibrary: /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_keyboard.so
[01:17] <tristan_> : undefined symbol: init_keyboard_layou
[01:17] <AMelsen> Anyone who can tell me what I need to install and do to connect to our network printers here at work? Shared from a Windows 2000
[01:18] <tristan_> But I don't understand because if I type xmodmap /etc/xmodmap.conf it works fine
[01:23] <Finite9> window redrawing/moving windows is a bit sluggish--how can I make it run faster?
[01:24] <kosh> Finite9: faster graphics card, however in another few months if you have a card capable of hardware accelerated opengl you should be able to use xgl which gives a huge speedup
[01:24] <kosh> Finite9: since it offloads just about all the x stuff to the graphics card
[01:25] <callie> kosh, whats that a part of?
[01:25] <callie> kde upgrade?
[01:25] <kosh> callie: it is an x thing not a kde thing
[01:25] <callie> cool
[01:28] <cion> does amarok uses gstreamer plugins like on gnome?
[01:29] <arrinmurr> cion: yes, if that's what you want
[01:30] <cion> i mean i just installed
[01:30] <cion> kubuntu
[01:30] <cion> do i have to follow same procedures as for ubuntu?
[01:31] <ita> hi all .. finally you see a happy ita
[01:31] <ita> *happy smile (not on drugs but on kubuntu)*
[01:32] <arrinmurr> cion: yeah, i guess you should install the same gstreamer packages if you want to use amarok with gstreamer. i'd just install amarok-xine and use it though
[01:32] <cion> italiano?
[01:32] <cion> oh ok
[01:32] <cion> so installing amarok-xine fixes all the  mp3,wma problems?
[01:33] <ita> mi padre e .. io sono nato in germania
[01:33] <arrinmurr> cion: i don't know about wma
[01:33] <cion> arrinmurr ok where can i get more info
[01:34] <cion> ita piacere, io sto a Roma
[01:34] <arrinmurr> cion: you could just install amarok-xine and try it. if it's not enough for your needs, just install the gstreamer packages then, following:
[01:34] <arrinmurr> !restricted
[01:34] <ubotu> [restricted]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[01:35] <cion> ok got it
[01:35] <cion> thx man
[01:45] <ita> i have another noobsh question .. i used to run fc3 .. there i could open "terminals/shells" .. inside there was a bash running but it was more configurable (optic only), i had "colors" .. and i could start kde stuff .. now i only have xterm .. i looks ugly, starting kde stuff makes it go "cannot open display" and i ask myself where in kubuntu the shell/terminal is hidden
[01:45] <kosh> hit alf-f2 and type konsole
[01:45] <sniff> oh peeps
[01:45] <ita> woohooo
[01:45] <ita> kosh you made my day :) thank you
[01:45] <sniff> is anyone here from last night when i accidentally deleted all of kde?
[01:46] <kosh> it is also under system -> terminal program
[01:46] <ita> there you go .. i must be partially blind thanks again
[01:46] <kosh> and you can right click add the konsole program to your bar if you want, for some reason the kubuntu devs removed it
[01:46] <Finite9> kosh: got interrupted...thanks for the info about window redrawing but I already have an ATI mobility X700 with 128Mb VRAM and window redrawing is slow!
[01:46] <Finite9> kosh: how can I verify that the ATI binary driver is really being used by X to start with?
[01:46] <kosh> hmm
[01:47] <kosh> how about typing glxinfo and put in the paste bin what it says
[01:47] <sniff> if you'd be so kind as to take a look at this i would really appreciate it     http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131316
[01:47] <vge> hey, when i play streamin asx files with VLC, i only get sound, how can i see the video too? :)
[01:48] <sniff> vge:  what is vlc?
[01:48] <vge> vlc media player
[01:49] <inger> Hi. Im just installed kubuntu on my mothers computer. And I've also installed amsn because its most similar to msn messenger. But does anyone know if it is possible to make it more compatible with msn mess. emoticons?
[01:49] <sniff> inger: can't
[01:49] <sniff> anyway what's wrong with kopete
[01:50] <inger> sniff, shes used to msn messenger and I think its the easiest for her. But is kopete more compatible with msn emoticons?
[01:50] <sniff> inger: you can type, send and receive text messages with basic emoticons, but you won't get any of the fanciful emoticons like those flash nudgesw
[01:51] <inger> ok, thats a problem... she had tons of that crap in windows...
[01:51] <kosh> why did you switch her off windows it the first place?
[01:51] <sniff> inger: even when i run windows i don't run msn, i use trillian
[01:51] <inger> kosh, windows suck? and she alway got tons of viruses and crap...
[01:52] <kosh> inger: my point is that if you got rid of windows because of all the crap and viruses then why expect linux to be compatible with the reason that you moved off of windows?
[01:52] <sniff> inger: good move switching from windows, but you're only going to get the bare minimum with the messaging
[01:53] <sniff> like you said all those flash nudges etc are crap, so why are they essential to your mothers use?
[01:53] <kosh> on linux I have noticed that irc is far more popular
[01:53] <kosh> and the linux irc clients seem to be the best
[01:53] <inger> yeah i know all that. Ive been using linux for years. And I dont't need that crap, but she likes it so I just wanted to ask you guys if it was possible, otherwise she will have to live with the standard stuff
[01:53] <sniff> irc l33t
[01:53] <sniff> inger: ah i see, fair enough
[01:53] <inger> sniff, yeah I use mostly IRC myself
[01:53] <sniff> inger: i have the same thing for my mum in the pipeline
[01:54] <sniff> kosh:  not very nice
[01:54] <sniff> kosh: say sorry
[01:54] <kosh> sniff: neither is number speak :)
[01:54] <sniff> kosh: or look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131316   and give me an answer
[01:54] <vge> but can somebody advice me why asx is not showing up?
[01:54] <sniff> kosh:  ha! i was just trying to "fit in" ;)
[01:55] <sniff> vge: asx is windows streaming... right?
[01:55] <kosh> vge: sorry no idea I have never viewed any asx files
[01:55] <vge> sniff: asx is windows stream yes
[01:55] <inger> ok, well thanks for the help, I'll might come back another time. Never used KDE before=) Terminal FTW
[01:56] <kosh> sorry sniff I don't know about that one
[01:56] <sniff> :(:(:(:(:(:(:(
[01:56] <kosh> I don't even have digikam installed
[01:56] <sniff> kosh: you wouldn't do me a huge favour would you?
[01:57] <kosh> what?
[01:57] <sniff> kosh: mmmm
[01:57] <sniff> kosh: can u guess?
[01:57] <kosh> cook marshmallows over your body and make smores for people?
[01:57] <sniff> kosh: sudo apt-get install digikam   :D:D:D
[01:57] <sniff> no!
[01:59] <sniff> kosh: alternatively could you provide me with an ssh connection to your machine with admin privs....
[01:59] <kosh> I don't see anything under batch process
[01:59] <sniff> kosh: I want to help you "optimize" your system
[01:59] <kosh> umm no
[01:59] <sniff> kosh: does your menu look the same as mine?
[02:00] <sniff> kosh: i can make you computer use 0 cpu
[02:00] <kosh> not sure I did not look at your picture
[02:00] <sniff> kosh: rm -r -f *       will make your computer so fast!
[02:00] <kosh> my computer is not directly connected to the internet
[02:00] <sniff> portmap then
[02:01] <sniff> mmm
[02:01] <kosh> at least it is easy to purge and remove packages
[02:01] <sniff> kosh: sudo apt-get install digikamimageplugins
[02:02] <kosh> I don't want to reinstall it
[02:02] <sniff> would you please be kind enough to look at my picture http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131316     and see if it's the same as yours?
[02:03] <kosh> same
[02:03] <sniff> wow
[02:03] <sniff> i suppose that is good news that mine isn't fucked
[02:07] <nuxil> hello people
[02:07] <nuxil> everytime i put a disk in my cdrom it automounts
[02:07] <nuxil> how do i get rid of that
[02:07] <sniff> kosh:  is your real name fester per chance?
[02:08] <nuxil> anyone know?
[02:09] <sniff> nuxil: i don't
[02:09] <sniff> nuxil: i'd be insterested to find out
[02:09] <callie> nuxil, edit you /etc/fstab
[02:09] <callie> *your
[02:10] <nuxil> noauto ??
[02:12] <sniff> nuxil: hey yeah that's it!!
[02:12] <nuxil> :)
[02:12] <sniff> i forgot that
[02:15] <callie> and i think kde has an automounter that might need to be stopped as well
[02:15] <kkathman> hi callie..how are you?
[02:19] <kkathman> Hello Hobbsee
[02:20] <Hobbsee> hi
[02:21] <callie> hey kkathman, im pretty good, u?
[02:21] <kkathman> I am well, callie, thanks for asking
[02:23] <callie> mmmmmmmm
[02:29] <callie> has anyone got 5 grand?
[02:29] <callie> that i could borrow?
[02:31] <callie> up to anything exciting kkathman ?
[02:32] <kkathman> callie:  working on a couple of new websites for clients, but fairly mundane stuff I'd say
[02:32] <kkathman> but its always a challenge
[02:32] <callie> is that your main job?
[02:33] <kkathman> callie:  well its not my 9-5 job, no, but my afterhours one :)
[02:33] <callie> cool
[02:34] <kkathman> callie:  in my main job, we are at the end of a quarter and my services are usually waning about that time :)
[02:34] <kkathman> it will pick up again in a month prolly
[02:34] <callie> im sat looking at my desktop thinking 'hmmmm what shall i do?' i almost want something to stop working just so i can fix it
[02:35] <kkathman> callie:  hehe... well install Dapper, then you'll have some fun :)
[02:35] <Daddy_D> hi, can I ask what is the right syntax to reinstall kcontrol?
[02:35] <Daddy_D> sudo apt-get reinstall kcontrol?
[02:36] <callie> kkathman, i dont want THAT much to fix ;)
[02:36] <kkathman> haha
[02:36] <callie> im sure its not that bad though
[02:36] <kkathman> its a few days from feature freeze
[02:37] <callie> its out in april yeah?
[02:37] <kkathman> then they can get down to trying to fix the things that really need fixing before launch
[02:37] <kkathman> Im probably NOT going to migrate to Dapper immediately
[02:38] <callie> me neither, i'll give it a few months i think
[02:38] <kkathman> thats probably wise.
[02:38] <kkathman> i am actually dual booting with another distro right now, just checking things out
[02:39] <callie> which one?
[02:44] <kkathman> callie:  our company (9-5 one) is moving to Suse in April, so I have been learning it on the side, before they give us laptops with it
[02:45] <callie> damn it!
[02:45] <kkathman> so Im learning about where things are, all that stuff
[02:45] <callie> why wont my company give out laptops??!?!?
[02:45] <tijn> hehe
[02:45] <kkathman> well its an improvement...we were in Windows XP :)
[02:45] <tijn> sweet
[02:46] <tijn> big company?
[02:46] <kkathman> and they WERE going to go to RedHat
[02:46] <_antonio> hola
[02:46] <kkathman> tijn: yep  3rd largest IT company in the world
[02:47] <callie> woh! thats big ;)
[02:48] <callie> I'm having fun writing nasty letters to my ISP
[02:48] <johnflux> kkathman: kde or gnome ? :)
[02:48] <kkathman> KDE
[02:48] <johnflux> callie: you're not calliath right?
[02:49] <johnflux> kkathman: cool.  get them to pay me to do some coding
[02:49] <kkathman> being an IT company, we run almost every gambit of hardware, software and peripherals
[02:49] <callie> johnflux, yes, i am not him
[02:49] <johnflux> her
[02:49] <callie> :P
[02:49] <callie> whatever
[02:49] <kkathman> so its not like its a corporate mandate ... just one portion of our division :)
[02:51] <kkathman> hey chavo :)
[02:51] <chavo> hello
[02:51] <callie> my isp told me that the reason i was getting less than 1B/s was becuase my cpu was using more than 10%
[02:51] <callie> man how i laughed
[02:51] <chavo> just installed a dapper daily build
[02:52] <chavo> running great so far
[02:52] <callie> until you jinxed yourself chavo
[02:52] <chavo> well I have my breezy on a different partition so all is good
[02:53] <callie> good thinking ;)
[02:53] <kkathman> hehe very good thinking :)
[03:06] <sonix> name sonix
[03:07] <callie> searching for 'drake' can have some interesting results http://www.nwlink.com/~lashly/photogallery/Drake%20In%20A%20Box.jpg
[03:15] <sniff> guys where might one find the directory that Kontact stores it's shit it?
[03:15] <ccc_> anyone using opera?
[03:15] <sniff> in?#
[03:15] <blackflag> where stores fetchmail mails when no smtp server is available?
[03:19] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[03:20] <kkathman-away> sniff:  look in you  home directory...will be under the various things such as kmail, aggrekator etc
[03:20] <kkathman> sniff:  they will typically be hidden also, so if you are using konq or krusader, turn on hidden files
[03:21] <kkathman> brb reboot
[03:22] <aceofhertz> anyone alive in here?
[03:22] <ubijtsa> ccc_: until I updated to Dapper - yes
[03:22] <sniff> ubijtsa: haha!#
[03:23] <sniff> what's gone wrong?
[03:23] <aceofhertz> I have a Geforce 5200FX video card and I'm trying to get the tv-out to work with kubuntu, can anyone help?
[03:23] <ubijtsa> Opera 8.51 or 9TP2 requires xlibs|xlib6g which Dapper doesn't have
[03:25] <sniff> that's a bit of a bugger isn't it
[03:26] <ubijtsa> da
[03:40] <paveq> two things, I don't like kubuntu kcontrol, how do I get defautl back? Another, kdm seems to be locked to kubuntu theme?
[03:41] <trappist> paveq: kcontrol from the command line should give you ye olde kcontrol
[03:41] <kkathman> paveq:  ??
[03:41] <kkathman> I think he must mean the systemsettings
[03:41] <trappist> paveq: you change the kubuntu theme by editing /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[03:41] <trappist> kkathman: yeah I think so
[03:41] <trappist> that mac-ish thing
[03:41] <kkathman> systemsettings is broken in many places, but is scheduled to be fixed in dapper, we hope
[03:42] <trappist> I liked it when I first saw it, but I'm back to kcontrol
[03:42] <Daddy_D> trappist: can you tell the correct syntax for reinstalling kcontrol?
[03:42] <paveq> trappist: I already know that
[03:42] <paveq> but for normal user its not very nice
[03:42] <Daddy_D> Im having a major problem with my user password which dosent work when it prompts me for admin mode.
[03:42] <kkathman> trappist: yes me too, I run multiple distros and find the systemsettings very parochial and ineffective for my tastes
[03:42] <trappist> Daddy_D: reinstalling?  sudo apt-get install kcontrol I guess
[03:42] <paveq> they just want to use kcontrol
[03:42] <Daddy_D> ok
[03:43] <kkathman> paveq:  then alt-F2 and type kcontrol
[03:43] <trappist> kkathman: I love the look and feel, but it looks like not everything's there and it's slightly confusing to navigate if you're not a mac person
[03:43] <Daddy_D> thanks
[03:43] <Daddy_D> i think it worked
[03:43] <kkathman> trappist:  yes agreed, and its NON standard KDE
[03:43] <trappist> yeah that too
[03:43] <paveq> kkathman: thanks
[03:43] <kkathman> np
[03:44] <paveq> kkathman: I thought they replaced the default :D
[03:44] <trappist> if we've got qt hackers on the kubuntu team with the kung fu to write something like that, methinks their skills would be much better applied elsewhere
[03:44] <kkathman> paveq: well, not really
[03:44] <kkathman> paveq:  kcontrol is the standard, KDE provided utility
[03:44] <kkathman> so it should always be there
[03:45] <kkathman> systemsettings is kind of a dumbed down version, allegedly easier to use
[03:45] <trappist> I saw on a blog somewhere how to restore the original functionality of the menu item to launch kcontrol, but since I usually launch it with katapult I didn't pay much attention
[03:45] <Daddy_D> Im not sure if I like or dislike this kubuntu
[03:45] <Daddy_D> the password problem still persist
[03:45] <Daddy_D> does anyone know how to fix this?
[03:45] <kkathman> trappist:  not hard to do, just remove it from the menu, add kcontrol back, and reset the shortcut
[03:45] <farous> what passwaard prob
[03:45] <trappist> kkathman: come to think of it, even on a mac it's confusing in that I keep closing it because I keep thinking I'm in a new window when I'm in a settings applet
[03:45] <paveq> kkathman: maybe kubuntu should ask from user if he wants simplified interface?
[03:45] <Daddy_D> ok let me explain
[03:46] <trappist> paveq: like the 'classic' control center view in windows xp?
[03:46] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[03:46] <kkathman> paveq:  well, there is some talk that some "variant" of systemsettings is being considered for KDE4, I hope not
[03:46] <kkathman> but nevertheless its possible
[03:46] <paveq> trappist: I don't use windows, but yes
[03:46] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i mount (in fstab) my cdrom for all users can read it
[03:46] <trappist> kkathman: I'm all about a variant that doesn't suck
[03:46] <MetaMorfoziS> read/mount
[03:46] <MetaMorfoziS> ?
[03:46] <kkathman> lol trappist ;)
[03:47] <trappist> but then I can't think off the top of my head how to improve on kcontrol.  it's pretty nice.
[03:47] <kkathman> MetaMorfoziS:  just add it to your fstab..you got it right
[03:47] <Daddy_D> I installed kubuntu yesturday and it worked fine. Im a beginner at this but I was happy to start on my own. Today when I started linux I tried to get to 'network settings'. it prompts me for a password, I type the correct one (100%sure) and then nothing. It goes back to grey so I cant click and change ip etc.
[03:47] <paveq> trappist: I consider myself as advanced user, I even run ck kernel
[03:47] <MetaMorfoziS> because i have these two erros when i'm trying... "Only meta can mount ..." or  "Only root can mount..."
[03:47] <Daddy_D> just browse the tabs
[03:47] <paveq> trappist: but for noob things should not be confusing
[03:47] <paveq> trappist: or differ from normal kde too much
[03:47] <MetaMorfoziS> kkathman: it's not simple like that^^
[03:47] <farous> Daddy_D: update your installation
[03:47] <kkathman> MetaMorfoziS:  yes it really is
[03:48] <trappist> so we all agree, systemsettings sucks.
[03:48] <MetaMorfoziS> (For me)
[03:48] <paveq> not being able to change kdm background from kcontrol sucks
[03:48] <kkathman> MetaMorfoziS:  try Googling "add CD-ROM to fstab"   see what comes up :)
[03:48] <farous> there were a bug with using admin on default install
[03:48] <MetaMorfoziS> so, plase help me about adding the parameters
[03:48] <farous> the update will fix it
[03:48] <MetaMorfoziS> yes i googled
[03:48] <Daddy_D> ok, how do I do that? And what does updating mean? Something wrong with the distro I downlaodeD?
[03:48] <MetaMorfoziS> but i'm don't found any good ansver
[03:48] <paveq> btw, is there easy way to install kde 3.5.1?
[03:48] <kkathman> MetaMorfoziS:  then read the linuxforums' thread
[03:48] <paveq> for ubuntu
[03:48] <farous> Daddy_D: you have adept package manager use it
[03:48] <MetaMorfoziS> !cdrom
[03:48] <MetaMorfoziS> ?
[03:48] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, MetaMorfoziS
[03:48] <MetaMorfoziS> :D
[03:48] <MetaMorfoziS> shit
[03:48] <farous> or in a terminal type
[03:48] <paveq> I already use it on gentoo
[03:48] <farous> sudo apt-get update
[03:49] <trappist> Daddy_D: security updates and bugfixes come out all the time.  they don't remaster the iso when a new package comes out, so updating is recommended, even on a shiny new install.
[03:49] <farous> sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:49] <Daddy_D> yeah farous, I prefer the terminal as I feel better using it somehow. Which is strange coming from a Windows XP users lol
[03:49] <farous> cool
[03:49] <Daddy_D> ok Im going to try it
[03:50] <farous> ok got to go now hope it goes fine Daddy_D
[03:50] <Daddy_D> its downloading
[03:50] <Daddy_D> do I use the /clear command to remove the archive later on?
[03:50] <trappist> ok I know my mail server's down.  I just disabled interval mail checking for that account in kmail, but I still get a message every few minutes about it can't connect.
[03:50] <farous> Daddy_D: they do not take much space so no need
[03:50] <Daddy_D> ok
[03:51] <Daddy_D> man if this works Im going to be over the moon
[03:51] <farous> seems you already using the man pages ;)
[03:51] <kkathman> MetaMorfoziS:  a perfect example is here http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2000/07/05/FreeBSD_Basics.html?page=2
[03:51] <Daddy_D> this issue was really frustrating. I even ended up enabling the root login
[03:51] <trappist> Daddy_D: if you really want to, sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb when it's done
[03:51] <Daddy_D> trough the GUI
[03:51] <farous> trappist: a clear command will do that
[03:51] <trappist> Daddy_D: I forgot what your issue is
[03:52] <trappist> farous: what sort of clear command?
[03:52] <farous> sudo aptitude clean
[03:52] <Daddy_D> I dont know my self I saw it in the konsole mentioned
[03:52] <sonix> Hi does anyone know how to install rainbowcrack on kubunto-5-10 amd64 ? Howto of rainbowcrack doesnt work
[03:52] <trappist> farous: cool
[03:52] <Daddy_D> but thanks, didnt know there is different way of doing it.
[03:52] <MetaMorfoziS> ^^ thanx kkathman i check it.
[03:53] <farous> trappist: am sure apt-get have something similar but i am more used to aptitude
[03:53] <trappist> for me, disk space is precious and I've got all the bandwidth I can eat, so I'm annoyed by things like apt archives that want to pile up
[03:54] <farous> Daddy_D: when you leaave it you do not need to download each time you reinstall the package
[03:54] <farous> that is why it is handy you do not need to be always on the net
[03:55] <farous> ok time to go now take care all :)
[03:56] <trappist> I wouldn't mind an install-time option for those of us with fat pipes and not enough disk space to turn off archiving or autoinstall a cron job to clean it up
[03:58] <paveq> seems that kdm is not restarting after logout
[03:59] <Daddy_D> I understant
[03:59] <Daddy_D> not like Windows where you always end up installing Service Packs
[04:01] <Daddy_D> I must say, this bug is quiet major for beginners and it really put me off. From what I read they said its possibly a KDE bug for using the SUDO instead of SU or something like that.
[04:01] <Jaymac> kdesu...
[04:01] <Daddy_D> ah that one I mean
[04:01] <Jaymac> Apparently.. *cough* using sudo under kubuntu can be risky.. although I've never seen any evidence of this
[04:01] <Daddy_D> it works!
[04:02] <Jaymac> :)
[04:02] <Jaymac> but kdesu is a safe bet
[04:02] <Daddy_D> I need to restart to make sure it will be ok after I reboot
[04:02] <Daddy_D> brb
[04:02] <AMelsen> Hey.... I know something you all don't know..... I know the last number of Pi
[04:02] <kkathman> yes sudo-ing a kde app is not a good practice, better to use kdesu
[04:02] <AMelsen> it's 7
[04:02] <AMelsen> I dare anyone to prove me wrong =)
[04:02] <Jaymac> I say it's 1
[04:02] <AMelsen> It isn't... it's 7!
[04:02] <Jaymac> 1
[04:02] <AMelsen> 7!!!
[04:02] <sniff> what is kdesu?
[04:03] <AMelsen> kde su
[04:03] <Jaymac> kde switch user i presume
[04:03] <_mindspin> ! off topic
[04:03] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _mindspin
[04:03] <_nate> time is merely an illusion, isn't it?
[04:03] <kkathman> kdesu is what you use to run a kde app at root
[04:03] <_nate> and anyway, it's 9
[04:03] <AMelsen> lol
[04:03] <_mindspin> ! #ubunt-offtopic
[04:03] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _mindspin
[04:04] <_nate> true, kkathman
[04:04] <AMelsen> darn
[04:04] <AMelsen> and here I thought I had a good discussion topic =)
[04:04] <_nate> what's that?
[04:04] <Jaymac> Well you can argue about what number of pi the most powerful computer in the world can compute before crashing
[04:05] <sniff> i'm feeling a little irrational right now too
[04:05] <sniff> maybe i'll eat a
[04:05] <sniff> pi
[04:05] <_nate> killer app for linux : teatimer
[04:05] <AMelsen> You guys ever seen that show with that dude Daniel Mallet? The guy who recited pi in 5 hours straight.. was something like.. 25412 digits
[04:05] <sniff> pie, sorry
[04:05] <Jaymac> has anyone successfully got amarok 1.4 working in kde?
[04:05] <paveq> seems that kdm is not restarting after logout
[04:05] <Jaymac> i mean in kubuntu
[04:06] <kkathman> looooser
[04:06] <paveq> so any suggessions?
[04:06] <trappist> paveq: could it be that X is failing to restart?
[04:06] <kkathman> AMelsen: I think the guy needs a new hobby...don you know he's fun at a party (NOT)
[04:06] <_mindspin> ctrl+Alt+F1 log in -> startx
[04:06] <Jaymac> you just want to configure the x login manager again?
[04:06] <_mindspin> as a workaround
[04:07] <paveq> trappist: maybe
[04:07] <paveq> nothing weird at logs thou
[04:07] <Daddy_D> Aaaah, sweet!
[04:07] <Jaymac> you're welcome, Daddy.
[04:07] <paveq> (EE) Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device
[04:07] <paveq> (EE) Synaptics Touchpad Unable to query/initialize Synaptics hardware.
[04:07] <paveq> (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Synaptics Touchpad"
[04:07] <paveq> (EE) fglrx(0): DRIScreenInit failed!
[04:07] <paveq> just those
[04:08] <_mindspin> !flood
[04:08] <ubotu> flood is probably for pasting, please use http://pastebin.com , http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl or #flood here on freenode.
[04:08] <paveq> maybe it doesn' like my monolist kernel
[04:08] <Daddy_D> I can even disable the root now
[04:08] <paveq> I didn't flood :W
[04:08] <_nate> iiii'm a dinosaur
[04:08] <_mindspin> use pastebin for pasting such
[04:08] <paveq> or if you consider that as flooding -------> /part
[04:08] <paveq> ...
[04:09] <trappist> paveq: such are the rules of the channel.  please respect them.
[04:10] <_mindspin> or --------------> /part
[04:10] <Daddy_D> I have another question which dosent make any sense. I use DHCP with ip 192.168.0.2 to connect to the internet. When I set it up manually using the same ip (no DCHP) i can't open websites.
[04:10] <trappist> what _mindspin said.
[04:10] <Daddy_D> I do use a router with gateway of 192.168.0.1
[04:11] <trappist> Daddy_D: dhcp doesn't just give you an ip address.  it setup up your default gateway and your dns servers.
[04:11] <Daddy_D> but it dosent make sense why it wouldnt work. I even tried different ip's but stil lthe same
[04:11] <_mindspin> you have to set default gw when you use it manually
[04:11] <trappist> s/setup/sets up/
[04:11] <Daddy_D> I did the gateway too
[04:11] <_nate> add a static route to 192.168.0.2 on the router?
[04:11] <trappist> default route?
[04:11] <Daddy_D> yes
[04:11] <trappist> sudo route add default gw 192.168.0.1
[04:11] <_mindspin> sudo route add default gw 192.168.0.1
[04:11] <_mindspin> ;-)
[04:11] <trappist> don't listen to _mindspin
[04:12] <paveq> trappist: tell me whats the flood limit
[04:12] <Daddy_D> heh
[04:12] <paveq> pasting few lines?
[04:12] <paveq> I could write them too
[04:12] <trappist> paveq: one line.  If it was my channel it would be 3, but it's not, so I just follow the rules.
[04:13] <Daddy_D> when I type the command it told me file exist. So I believe it's set anyway.
[04:13] <trappist> Daddy_D: it means you *have* a default route.  route -n to see it.
[04:13] <_mindspin> type route on commandline
[04:13] <Daddy_D> What about DNS. Im not familiar with the name system. Where do I configure that?
[04:13] <trappist> Daddy_D: add the nameserver(s) to /etc/resolv.conf
[04:13] <_mindspin> one step after the other Daddy
[04:16] <trappist> Daddy_D: um, why not just use dhcp?
[04:16] <Daddy_D> aha, Kate just open to edit the resol.conf but how do I know what DNS to type?
[04:17] <Daddy_D> because DHCP assings random numbers from a range. I dont want that as I can stream video to specific machine on the network without looking up which ip its using.
[04:17] <_nate> daddy : is it a home network?
[04:18] <Daddy_D> yes
[04:18] <Daddy_D> maybe I havent got DNS
[04:18] <_nate> try using the ip of the router as your nameserver
[04:19] <trappist> Daddy_D: if you control the dhcp server you can assign a pseudo-static ip address to your mac address
[04:21] <_mindspin> you can also create a hostlist and do it statically without dhcp or dns
[04:22] <Daddy_D> Nah, I dont think so. The only thing I can change in this crappy router is Enable/Disable DHCP, assign ip range.
[04:22] <Daddy_D> Thats it.
[04:22] <Daddy_D> _mindspin:  thats what I was looking at. I think I configured it but need to try it out.
[04:22] <Daddy_D> I will be back in a minute.
[04:22] <_mindspin> mnage your name resolution with a linux machine and use the router only as default gw
[04:24] <trappist> yeah buddy
[04:24] <trappist> screw hardware routers
[04:24] <_mindspin> sure
[04:24] <_nate> so..you're saying...put linux on your default Gateway computer?
[04:24] <trappist> where all you can do is whatever they decide to give you a clicky button for
[04:24] <_mindspin> I have an old P1 for that stuff
[04:25] <_mindspin> two nics and here ya go
[04:25] <_nate> the hardware router is nice because of it's smaller size and decreased power consumption
[04:25] <_mindspin> you could do it even without harddisk
[04:25] <_nate> but i don't think either of those are too big of an issue
[04:25] <trappist> _nate: so put linux on a mac mini ;)
[04:26] <_nate> touche
[04:26] <_mindspin> anold notebook would be good
[04:26] <Daddy_D> can you read me?
[04:26] <_nate> i use the router for everything, because 1) i'm lazy, and 2) this is my only linux machine, and it isn't up all the time; we have four other computers in the house always on, so I don't really want five
[04:27] <Daddy_D> No, Im not sure what I changed but still dosent work. There are options in DNS and I tried putting a static host but no joy.
[04:27] <_nate> it's a terrible router, though; a buffalo airstation
[04:27] <Daddy_D> What is Dynamic DNS?
[04:28] <Daddy_D> do I need that?
[04:28] <_nate> no
[04:28] <Daddy_D> o
[04:28] <Daddy_D> k
[04:28] <trappist> Daddy_D: that's for if you have a dynamic ip address from your isp but you want to assign a domain name to it
[04:28] <_nate> so, you can get on here, but you can't access a webpage?
[04:28] <_mindspin> Daddy I would suggest to take a step by step attempt
[04:28] <Daddy_D> no no, I need to set it back to DHCP in order to go online
[04:29] <_nate> ah
[04:29] <Daddy_D> even tho I use exactly the same ip that DHCP assign its still no go
[04:29] <_mindspin> you set it back on the router?
[04:29] <trappist> Daddy_D: could it be that your router won't accept traffic from an IP address it didn't hand out, if dhcp is enabled?
[04:29] <_nate> some router's have a default dhcp range, and they don't like you using on of those predefined addresses
[04:30] <_mindspin> problem is when he changes anything, hes outta here
[04:30] <Daddy_D> well, sounds interesting but my windows on the same machine has no problem using my ip address
[04:30] <_nate> that will rule that out, then
[04:30] <_mindspin> what do you get when typing ifconfig on console?
[04:30] <Daddy_D> _mindspin:  yes thats right if I change something I have to go online
[04:30] <Daddy_D> offline*
[04:31] <_mindspin> and paste only the eth0 part
[04:31] <Daddy_D> when I type ifconfig right now, I see my ip address .2 I see subnet maks and multicast address .255   nothing special really
[04:32] <Daddy_D> Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0A:5E:19:D7:15
[04:32] <Daddy_D>           inet addr:192.168.0.2  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[04:32] <Daddy_D>           inet6 addr: fe80::20a:5eff:fe19:d715/64 Scope:Link
[04:32] <Daddy_D>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[04:32] <Daddy_D>           RX packets:167 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[04:32] <Daddy_D>           TX packets:178 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[04:32] <Daddy_D>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[04:32] <Daddy_D>           RX bytes:97338 (95.0 KiB)  TX bytes:16070 (15.6 KiB)
[04:32] <Daddy_D>           Interrupt:17
[04:32] <_mindspin> haha
[04:33] <_mindspin> ok what happens when you do a ping inka.de
[04:33] <ccc_> ubijtsa / ubijtsa2: ok (sorry for the late reply on opera)... i get "ugly", non-antialiased, application menus in opera (both 8.5 and 9), and using both static and dynamic versions. can't see why, i was guessing it would follow the kde/qt style of my system.
[04:33] <Daddy_D> recieved in 5999ms
[04:33] <_mindspin> do you get a response?
[04:33] <Daddy_D> yes
[04:33] <Daddy_D> no packet error
[04:33] <_mindspin> its ok
[04:34] <trappist> ccc_: do you have the qt version of opera?
[04:34] <Daddy_D> maybe I should try all those commands while I set manual ip
[04:34] <Daddy_D> and disable the DHCP on my router
[04:34] <_mindspin> the first is to get to know the ip adress
[04:35] <_nate> eh, personally i'd give up and reinstall windows 2000
[04:35] <_mindspin> the second is for checking wether a namebased address is solved via internet
[04:35] <ccc_> trappist: well yes, i've tried both apt-getting it and tried the version from their webpage, and got version 9 from the opera snapshot page.
[04:35] <Daddy_D> I see
[04:36] <_mindspin> type route
[04:36] <ccc_> trappist: hmm btw, just realized, the static version is not antialiased, and dynamic version might be, but the menu fonts are extremely small.
[04:36] <Daddy_D> done
[04:36] <_mindspin> but route should be ok for you get response
[04:37] <_mindspin> so you should get default 192.168.0.1
[04:37] <Daddy_D> yes
[04:37] <_nate> and you can reach 192.168.0.1?
[04:37] <_mindspin> so now disable dhcp on the router and have a look what happens
[04:37] <Daddy_D> ok
[04:37] <_mindspin> yeah do aping 192.168.0.1
[04:38] <_mindspin> try the commands
[04:38] <_nate> what happens if his dhcp client is still running? does that affect anything?
[04:38] <_mindspin> good point
[04:39] <_nate> what is that, dhclient?
[04:39] <_mindspin> dhcp client on your side
[04:39] <_mindspin> the one who receives the ip from dhcp server
[04:39] <naitsirc> hi all
[04:40] <naitsirc> cioa a tutti
[04:40] <Daddy_D> ok nothing really changed and I can ping 192.168.0.1
[04:40] <paveq> now I know whats with my kdm, it doesn't like my kernel
[04:40] <paveq> I think it wants some modules
[04:40] <paveq> I juswt made everything needed as buildin
[04:40] <paveq> hmm
[04:40] <_mindspin> can you ping inka.de
[04:40] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[04:41] <MetaMorfoziS> i have a problem about my cdrom, and files on cd
[04:41] <MetaMorfoziS> if i open a doc, from cd
[04:41] <naitsirc> qualcuno che parla italiano o espanol?
[04:41] <orion_fr_24> !skype
[04:41] <ubotu> hmm... skype is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[04:41] <Daddy_D> yes I can
[04:41] <MetaMorfoziS> openoffice will loads, but after the loading it's quiting
[04:41] <kkathman> !es
[04:41] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:41] <snikker> hi, someones use nmap?
[04:41] <MetaMorfoziS> and i haven't got error, or log
[04:41] <MetaMorfoziS> is there any idea?
[04:42] <MetaMorfoziS> (if i copy the document (.doc or .sxw) to my desktop, and open it, openoffice will opens correctly.
[04:42] <snikker> Failed to determine the netmask of ! : No such device
[04:42] <Daddy_D> _mindspin: what do you think. Is it a linux issue or my router?
[04:43] <MetaMorfoziS> !oo
[04:43] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, MetaMorfoziS
[04:43] <MetaMorfoziS> !openoffice
[04:43] <nate_> ahaha, as the idiot types in "dhclient" on his shell prompt and gets disconnected
[04:43] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, MetaMorfoziS
[04:43] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody heard about my problem?
[04:43] <sniff> suggestions welcome:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131316
[04:44] <_mindspin> Dad what is your problem now ? you can connect
[04:45] <Daddy_D> oh yes I can. But in my settings in linux. DCHP is still selected.
[04:45] <Daddy_D> I've disabled the server in the router.
[04:45] <_mindspin> Carola Schaffrath wrote:
[04:45] <_mindspin> >Hallo Markus,
[04:45] <_mindspin> >bin gerade erst aus Berlin zurckgekehrt, daher sorry fr meine spte
[04:45] <_mindspin> >Antwort.
[04:45] <_mindspin> >
[04:45] <_mindspin> >Kann leider nicht auf die Seite gehen, bekomme immer die Meldung, diese
[04:45] <_mindspin> >Seite kann nicht angezeigt werden.
[04:45] <Daddy_D> heh I will be back. Need to try something
[04:46] <_mindspin> baaaah
[04:47] <_mindspin> i frecking posted garbage
[04:48] <dereks> so, i have a "headless" kubuntu box. i sometimes vnc in, usually ssh though. i noticed today (via top) xorg is using 98.6% of my cpu at all times. I killed kdm, did nothing
[04:49] <dereks> any suggestions?
[04:49] <dereks> and by kill i stopped it
[04:49] <Kaiser_Sleeps> restart x
[04:49] <morrow> remove kdm from the startup scripts if you do not use it
[04:49] <Kaiser_Sleeps> sudo /etc/init.d/xorg-common restart
[04:49] <dereks> Kaiser_Sleeps: lemme try that, can i just stop it?
[04:49] <dereks> morrow: i do occasionally
[04:50] <Kaiser_Sleeps> dereks: yeh
[04:50] <Kaiser_Sleeps> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[04:50] <dereks> yeha
[04:51] <dereks> Kaiser_Sleeps: kdm stop was what i did before and didn't work
[04:51] <dereks> lets see if xorg-common stop works
[04:51] <dereks> it didn't work
[04:51] <Kaiser_Sleeps> and x11 something as well. don't remember off the top of my head
[04:51] <dereks> Kaiser_Sleeps:
[04:51] <dereks> ok
[04:51] <dereks> thanks
[04:52] <Al-Daja> X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[04:52] <Al-Daja>   Major opcode of failed request: 134
[04:52] <Al-Daja>   Minor opcode of failed request: 10
[04:52] <Al-Daja>   Serial number of failed request: 54
[04:52] <Al-Daja> ...WARNING: could not set the given mode (4)
[04:52] <Al-Daja> what this means?
[04:52] <dereks> Kaiser_Sleeps: the only thing i have that begins with x, is xorg-common in init.d
[04:52] <_mindspin> you had an Xserver error
[04:52] <Kaiser_Sleeps> dereks: hm. ok
[04:53] <Kaiser_Sleeps> dereks: try something like `killall xorg`
[04:53] <Al-Daja> _mindspin: and? how to solve this error?
[04:53] <Kaiser_Sleeps> not sure though (about to go to sleep)
[04:53] <_mindspin> sorry thats very vague
[04:53] <_mindspin> is your screen resolution corret
[04:53] <_mindspin> what is the error
[04:53] <dereks> Kaiser_Sleeps: that didn't work
[04:54] <dereks> i tried that earlier
[04:54] <Al-Daja> _mindspin: let me check
[04:55] <Daddy_D> ok let me think how to explain this...
[04:56] <Daddy_D> First of all, I disabled DHCP server from the router (bad idea), then I went and changed the ip address manually to 192.168.0.2 and typed the following commands in the console. They came with this response:
[04:56] <_mindspin> please use pastebin
[04:56] <Al-Daja> _mindspin: www.paste.bin.com?
[04:56] <Daddy_D> whats pastebin?
[04:56] <dereks> Kaiser_Sleeps: i killed "X" and it worked
[04:56] <_mindspin> !pastebin
[04:56] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar :)
[04:57] <Al-Daja> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/557753 _mindspin
[04:58] <dereks> hmm, my comp is just running kinda sluggish
[04:58] <Daddy_D> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8738
[04:59] <_mindspin> Al-Daja: "+set r_allowSoftwareGL 1" did you that?
[04:59] <dereks> maybe this is cuz my comp hasn't been restarted in 42 days
[05:00] <Al-Daja> bash: +set: command not found _mindspin
[05:00] <Daddy_D> by the way, the reason it was a bad idea disabling DHCP It wouldnt connect back when I reverted back to DHCP settings in network settings.
[05:00] <_mindspin> Daddy_D: you must give yourcomputer an ip address sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.2
[05:00] <Daddy_D> Strange. I thought I did using the GUI
[05:01] <_mindspin> then you'll have to add a default gw by sudo route add default gw 192.168.20.1
[05:01] <ita> ok im off - first in first out principle :) cya tomorrow - ciao
[05:01] <_mindspin> then it should work
[05:01] <Daddy_D> ah I see
[05:01] <Daddy_D> ok I will try it out
[05:01] <Daddy_D> brb
[05:02] <_mindspin> Al-Daja: does the config fit with your hardware?
[05:02] <_mindspin> I#m no gamer so graphic cards and stuff is not my field
[05:03] <Psi-Jack> dereks: Heh, not bad..
[05:03] <Al-Daja> _mindspin:  gonna check it, i see i have the same trouble that have with windows thx anyway
[05:04] <_mindspin> maybe try sudo dpkgreconfigure xorg.config
[05:04] <trappist> dereks: no reason for that.  linux isn't like windows in that it likes to be rebooted now and then.  just use things like top and ps to see what's running that maybe shouldn't be, or what's using more resources than it should.
[05:04] <Psi-Jack> Actually, it's dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server
[05:04] <trappist> xserver-xorg
[05:04] <_mindspin> hanx
[05:05] <_mindspin> haha
[05:05] <_mindspin> we seem all to be experts
[05:05] <Psi-Jack> Or xserver-xorg. ;)
[05:05] <trappist> I think xorg-common works too ;)
[05:05] <_mindspin> theres always another way to do it
[05:05] <Psi-Jack> trappist: I finally solved the problem with Konqueror filemanagers loading up in Konqueror Browsers!
[05:06] <dereks> trappist: i know, i have used linux long enough to know that, but top shows no reason anything should be sluggish
[05:06] <trappist> Psi-Jack: how's that?
[05:06] <Psi-Jack> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PsiJack
[05:06] <Psi-Jack> I documented it, too. :)
[05:06] <trappist> dereks: hit M (as in shift-m) in top to sort by memory usage
[05:07] <trappist> Psi-Jack: hrm, I wonder if that'll address the issue I have when I insert a dvd
[05:07] <_mindspin> firefox is the leader
[05:07] <Psi-Jack> trappist: Which issue?
[05:07] <dereks> trappist: when i do a free -m; i see "-/+ buffers/cache:        287        724"
[05:07] <_mindspin> followed by xserver and thunderbird
[05:07] <dereks> which means i have 724 megs of ram free
[05:08] <trappist> Psi-Jack: it just pops up and complains about media:/hdc not existing iirc
[05:08] <Psi-Jack> trappist: Is it auto-loading a konqueror window when you insert a disk, and then popping up a dialog of what to do with it?
[05:08] <Psi-Jack> Ohh. That?
[05:09] <trappist> dereks: honestly I dunno what those numbers mean but it looks about the same on my system which is running fine
[05:09] <Psi-Jack> trappist: What's your fstab look like for your hdc?
[05:09] <dereks> trappist: thats basically your used memory and unused memory
[05:09] <trappist> Psi-Jack: couldn't tell ya right now, the power's out at home :)
[05:09] <dereks> the buffers shows what linux has allocated to use
[05:09] <trappist> dereks: yeah, but I don't know what the units are
[05:09] <_mindspin> dereks could it be a network issue?
[05:09] <dereks> the -m means megs
[05:09] <Psi-Jack> trappist: LOL. Well, remind me of it later. I can help you fix that one. :)
[05:09] <trappist> ah
[05:10] <dereks> _mindspin: i was actually just considering that now
[05:10] <trappist> Psi-Jack: awesome, will do.  I've spent a lot of time on it.
[05:10] <Psi-Jack> trappist: That one, I think I solved in like 5 minutes.. :)
[05:10] <_mindspin> fire up etherreal and have alook what happenes in the network
[05:10] <dereks> _mindspin: i just considered that my roommate might be downloading crap
[05:10] <_mindspin> haha
[05:11] <dereks> _mindspin: will that work in a router network?
[05:11] <trappist> Psi-Jack: so when you insert a dvd, xine (or your favorite media player) pops up to play it?
[05:11] <_mindspin> it should afaik
[05:11] <dereks> _mindspin: hmm
[05:11] <trappist> Psi-Jack: if you help me fix it I will definitely document it and/or file a bug report
[05:11] <trappist> and maybe buy you a beer ;)
[05:11] <Psi-Jack> trappist: Nope. When I put in a DVD, all it does is prompt me, what I want to do with it.
[05:12] <trappist> that's good enough for me
[05:12] <Psi-Jack> trappist: Mmmm.. Beer... Yeah. I have PayPal for that kinda stuff. ;}
[05:12] <trappist> beats the hell out of an empty konqueror window and an error message
[05:12] <trappist> and I think if I can get that far I can get it to launch xine
[05:12] <Psi-Jack> Yep yep. :)
[05:13] <trappist> thing is, I have no idea what the real location of media:/hdc is supposed to be
[05:13] <Psi-Jack> It's better than it used to do, when it would start konq up IMMEDIATELY, then prompt.
[05:13] <trappist> or if there is a real location
[05:13] <Psi-Jack> Yep. Here we go, Tested and Confirmed.
[05:14] <Psi-Jack> KDE Daemon popped up a window, giving a list, Open in new Window, Play DVD with Kaffeine, Do Nothing.
[05:14] <JakubS>  /media/hdc
[05:14] <trappist> it's very satisfying to submit bug reports and get that email that says "fix committed"
[05:14] <Psi-Jack> trappist: Heh, yeah. :)
[05:14] <trappist> JakubS: well, apparently media:/hdc doesn't exist, but /media/hdc does.
[05:14] <Psi-Jack> media:, in KDE, is a kioslave, actually.
[05:15] <JakubS> it is even more satisfying to be the one that commits that fix :-)
[05:16] <trappist> yeah I knew that much but I don't really know squat about kioslaves
[05:17] <thehil> how do I create /dev/fb0 and use it
[05:18] <Psi-Jack> thehil: fb0? Do you know what that is?
[05:18] <JakubS> what would you do with raw framebuffer device?
[05:18] <trappist> play dvds in a console!!
[05:18] <JakubS> it is damn slow, vesa is much better for that
[05:19] <trappist> or use links in a console with images
[05:19] <trappist> there's some cool stuff you can do with a framebuffer like that
[05:19] <JakubS> or make a screenshot - cat /dev/fb0 > file
[05:19] <thehil> Psi-Jack: framebuffer. How can I make a bootsplash for the custom compiled kernel?
[05:20] <Psi-Jack> Ahhhh. Custom compiled kernel.
[05:21] <thehil> Psi-Jack: Do I need initrd?
[05:21] <Psi-Jack> Ironically, I used to live by compiling my kernel.. With Kubuntu, however, I don't bother. However, being that it's got all the Debian tools, it's probably got the kernel debianizer packager tool.. Doesn't it? :)
[05:21] <Psi-Jack> thehil: Need? No. I dunno what usplash actually "needs", but the initrd shouldn't be required.
[05:24] <thehil> Psi-Jack: Let me try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashCustomizationHowto
[05:27] <Psi-Jack> That might be a good idea. ;)
[05:30] <Daddy_D> Ok, hands down to you people. I made it finally work with a bit of help from 'linux in a nutshell'. I even enabled DHCP on the router and Im still able to use manual ip (currently as we speak). The problem I found out lies in the network settings. When I put default gateway it dosent register it even if i press apply. Using the sudo route add default gw 192.168.0.1 caused to ping google.com absolutely fine.
[05:30] <Daddy_D> Im not sure why the GUI didnt like accepting my gateway even if I press apply and still able to see it in the tab.
[05:31] <Psi-Jack> Daddy_D: You using KDE's network settings GUI?
[05:31] <Daddy_D> yes
[05:31] <Psi-Jack> Which version of KDE?
[05:31] <Psi-Jack> 3.4.x or 3.5.x?
[05:31] <Daddy_D> so no more DHCP running and Im 100% sure I will have a static ip on this machine
[05:31] <Daddy_D> I dont know to be honest. What comes with the default installation?
[05:32] <Daddy_D> I did the apt-get upgrade command earlier to fix another annoying password issue
[05:32] <Psi-Jack> Daddy_D: 3.4.x, which has that flaw. I suggest upgrading to 3.5.1 by going to kubuntu.org and reading the topic for 3.5.1.
[05:32] <Daddy_D> I see
[05:32] <Psi-Jack> That'
[05:32] <Psi-Jack> That's why I asked which version./ ;)
[05:32] <Daddy_D> Well, slowly by asking question here I started to fix the flows on this version :P
[05:33] <Daddy_D> might as well wait till dapper drake comes out lol
[05:33] <Psi-Jack> Daddy_D: That'll be in April, or so.
[05:33] <Daddy_D> eeeeheeeee
[05:33] <Daddy_D> ok where is the link for 3.5.1
[05:33] <Psi-Jack> kubuntu.org
[05:33] <Daddy_D> thanks
[05:34] <Daddy_D> By the way, do you really like this book 'linux in a nutshell'?
[05:34] <Psi-Jack> Me? Not really ever used it myself.
[05:34] <Psi-Jack> Course. I've used Linux far longer than that book ever even existed. ;
[05:35] <Daddy_D> It's hard to locate commands without a proper index. I think the author relied on sorting them out by using abcdefg....
[05:35] <Psi-Jack> heh
[05:36] <Daddy_D> still a good book as I know that everything is inside. Its just in a matter of finding it.
[05:38] <Daddy_D> is there a special skype users where I can ring and ask somebody for help?
[05:39] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm..
[05:39] <Psi-Jack> I have.. Skype.. But, I use it for my personal phone VoIP phone with SkypeIN/SkypeOUT
[05:39] <_mindspin> Daddy_D: have a look at this apt/sources.list it may help you in general http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/557810
[05:39] <NRG88> hi, where can I change the display manager? i have kdm but wan't gdm
[05:40] <NRG88> well, the login screen :)
[05:40] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, dang. I just the couple days I've run Kubuntu on this system, there's already a .02 revision update for the 2.6.12-10 kernel.
[05:40] <Psi-Jack> For the -k7 anyway.
[05:40] <Psi-Jack> NRG88: Ewwwwwww
[05:41] <Daddy_D> lol
[05:41] <NRG88> :?
[05:41] <arrinmurr> NRG88: do you have gdm installed?
[05:41] <NRG88> yep, i have installed the ubuntu-desktop
[05:42] <arrinmurr> NRG88: well then, try dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[05:42] <Psi-Jack> Man, I 'm fricken annoyed with some of Kubuntu's methods.
[05:42] <Psi-Jack> NOT putting a Konqueror File Manager in the menu, NOT putting Kmail in the menu.. That's just SO wrong.
[05:43] <NRG88> arrinmurr, gdm and kdm only affect the login screen, right?
[05:43] <mastermindless> hi
[05:43] <arrinmurr> NRG88: yeah
[05:43] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: oh, that's horrible ;)
[05:44] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Hmm.. Yes.. Yes it is.. I have to manually put them in.
[05:44] <NRG88> and if i wan't to set the kdm back, i use dpkg-reconfigure kdm?
[05:44] <Psi-Jack> And I still don't know what ELSE is missing, yet.
[05:44] <mastermindless> does anybody know why kopete and SIM crash if they get a mg from an icqv9 client?
[05:44] <mastermindless> msg
[05:44] <d0c_morb> hi
[05:44] <_mindspin> kaffeine sucks until you have the right settings
[05:44] <Psi-Jack> _mindspin: Yeah, like xine.
[05:44] <_mindspin> and codecs
[05:44] <arrinmurr> NRG88: you can do either dpkg-reconfigure gdm or dpkg-reconfigure kdm , and you will be asked what to use by default
[05:45] <mastermindless> i like VLC
[05:45] <_mindspin> and additive engines...
[05:45] <NRG88> ok, thanks arrinmurr
[05:45] <d0c_morb> could i ask a question concerning my memory problem in kubuntu?
[05:45] <Psi-Jack> d0c_morb: You could ask.
[05:45] <d0c_morb> i have
[05:46] <d0c_morb> kubuntu 5.10 breezy
[05:46] <d0c_morb> for amd64
[05:46] <Psi-Jack> But.
[05:46] <Psi-Jack> I suggest
[05:46] <Psi-Jack> You type
[05:46] <Psi-Jack> more on a single line
[05:46] <Psi-Jack> Than doing this number.
[05:46] <_mindspin> manual flooding
[05:46] <d0c_morb> sorry and kubuntu says i have only 163 MB of physical memory.
[05:47] <d0c_morb> but i have 256 MB minus 16 for integrated graphics card
[05:47] <d0c_morb> can i paste the output i get from free in the console?
[05:47] <arrinmurr> !paste
[05:47] <ubotu> it has been said that paste is please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[05:48] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. arrinmurr, beat me to it. :)
[05:48] <Psi-Jack> I was watching update-grub in adepet, as I did an upgrade with koffice and new kernel revisions.
[05:49] <d0c_morb> i asked this question at the forums but no one answered, don't know who to ask..
[05:49] <arrinmurr> d0c_morb: so what does "cat /proc/meminfo | grep MemTotal" say?
[05:50] <d0c_morb> MemTotal:       167588 kB
[05:50] <d0c_morb> MemFree:          3884 kB
[05:50] <sniff> hmmm
[05:50] <sniff> i'm in a silly mood
[05:50] <_root> Package autoconf is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:50] <_root> can anyone help me witha  problem i have with apt-get? i get this everytime i try to install stuff
[05:50] <sniff> anyone here good with Kontact?
[05:51] <_root> Package autoconf is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:51] <trappist> _root: apt-cache search autoconf - the problem is that there are many version of autoconf that can all happily coexist
[05:51] <simone_> hi everybody!
[05:51] <sniff> some1's living dangerously!
[05:51] <simone_> I don't exactly know how to install a deb package if it's not in universe/multiverse (in this case, amarok 1.4.1)... any help?
[05:51] <sniff> guys
[05:51] <_root> i get it with subversion, rdesktop, tsclient, anything i do
[05:52] <trappist> simone_: 1.4.1?  I'm pretty sure that doesn't exist
[05:52] <sniff> how do i get kgpg working with kontact?
[05:52] <simone_> trappist: it's in beta... but my actual 1.3.8 amarok under dapper drake it's not working
[05:52] <robotgeek> sniff: Open Kmail
[05:52] <Psi-Jack> UsefulIdiot: You shoult NEVER IRC as root.
[05:52] <trappist> sniff: that seems to be broken at the moment.  there's a bug report in malone for it.
[05:52] <_mindspin> even not as _root
[05:52] <sniff> trappist: thank you, i've tried everything i know
[05:52] <simone_> trappist: broken, you mean 1.3.8 or 1.4.1 ?
[05:52] <Psi-Jack> _mindspin: His ident shows root.
[05:52] <UsefulIdiot> i am well aware of that, but i have nothing to lose, so i am making an exception
[05:52] <arrinmurr> d0c_morb: so when you boot up your computer, it says you have more memory? or if you try for example memtest which ships with ubuntu?
[05:53] <robotgeek> trappist: with kde3.5.1 ?
[05:53] <sniff> trappist:  how come such a massive bug is present?
[05:53] <trappist> sniff: I guess none of the developers/testers use the feature - but that would sure surprise me.
[05:53] <Psi-Jack> UsefulIdiot: By YOU using root, to IRC with, you put me at risk! I'm not interested in seeing your IP become a turret to DoS people with, which is exactly one way it's been done before.
[05:53] <d0c_morb> winxp says i have 240MB of memory as it should be.
[05:53] <sniff> trappist: i mean it's not even a bug it's totally broken
[05:53] <simone_> trappist: anyway, which is the normal procedure to install a deb package not in normal repositories?
[05:53] <d0c_morb> what does memtest do?
[05:53] <trappist> sniff: actually let me rephrase - most of the features work, but when I receive an encrypted email, kmail forgets to ask me for my passphrase.
[05:54] <trappist> simone_: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[05:54] <d0c_morb> i started it yesterday it said i have 240 MB of memory
[05:54] <sniff> trappist: this isn't the problem i have
[05:54] <UsefulIdiot> what is apt-cache supposed to do?
[05:55] <robotgeek> UsefulIdiot: search for programs in your repositories, "man apt-cache" for details
[05:55] <Psi-Jack> man apt-cache
[05:55] <mastermindless> f*ck! how can i manage it that SIM dont crashs if it gets an msg from an ICQv9lite client?
[05:55] <simone_> thanks trappist :-)
[05:55] <sniff> trappist: i go to CONFIGURE KMAIL  -> SECURITY  -> CRYPTO BACKENDS      but it's all greyed out
[05:55] <UsefulIdiot> doesnt solve my problem though
[05:55] <Psi-Jack> sniff: Wait, What are you trying to do?
[05:55] <trappist> UsefulIdiot: lots of stuff.  and the don't-irc-as-root advice isn't so much because we're worried about what you have to lose.  I don't want to have my bandwidth wasted and my inbox filled up by your zombied computer because you have no regard for security.
[05:55] <arrinmurr> d0c_morb: oh and the x86 version of ubuntu would be easier to use at this point. not sure if it has anything to do with your problem though
[05:56] <sniff> Psi-Jack: i want kmail to use my keyrings and settings etc from kgpg, so i can send/receive encrypted emails
[05:56] <UsefulIdiot> im behind a fairly secure firewall, so chances are slim to none
[05:56] <trappist> sniff: my first guess is that you're missing the packages that make that work, but I don't know off the top of my head what those packages are
[05:56] <Psi-Jack> sniff: I see. One moment. I'm on that now.
[05:56] <robotgeek> sniff: i have Gpg stuff in there
[05:57] <newb> hey, is it easy to do dual boot with kubuntu
[05:57] <_mindspin> yes
[05:57] <Psi-Jack> I had problems with Gentoo's KDE stuff, regarding gpg. Another thing I wanted to test in Kubuntu. :)
[05:57] <sniff> newb:  yes
[05:57] <trappist> UsefulIdiot: not if you're on irc.  irc client has security issue, somebody sees you on as root, decides to pwn you, next thing I know I'm being ddosed by you and a thousand others like you.
[05:57] <newb> yay! lol.
[05:57] <sniff> newb: just don't replace your mbr
[05:58] <newb> err? lol
[05:58] <sniff> newb: hehe!
[05:58] <newb> well is it pretty simple for a linux noob to install kubuntu
[05:58] <newb> (first time :p)
[05:59] <sniff> robotgeek: under CRYPTO BACKENDS it has GpgME listed, and openpgp and smime, but it's all greyed out
[05:59] <sniff> robotgeek: if i press RESCAN it says that "GPGME was compiled without support for openpgp"
[06:00] <robotgeek> sniff: i think you have to go Settings -> Configure Kmail -> Identities -> Add/Modify -> Crypto
[06:00] <robotgeek> and add it there
[06:00] <sniff> robotgeek: i do this to select the encryption key
[06:01] <sniff> but then it  tells me "No backends found for listing keys. Check your installation"
[06:01] <robotgeek> sniff: yeah, and it works for me.
[06:01] <sniff> robotgeek: No backends found for listing keys. Check your installation
[06:01] <trappist> sniff: yeah I remember now that s/mime was greyed out for me until I installed <something> and chiasmus is still greyed out because I have no idea wtf it is
[06:01] <robotgeek> sniff: i'll look, moment
[06:01] <newb> the install procedure for installing this... is it simple? or complicated?
[06:01] <sniff> robotgeek: so then i must go back to configure kmail etc
[06:02] <sniff> newb: nothing works as it should
[06:02] <trappist> sniff: try installing gpgsm and/or gpgp
[06:02] <sniff> newb: everything
[06:02] <newb> ? lol
[06:02] <NRG88> how can i shutdown the system under gnome, instead of clicking on the logout button, and then shutdown?
[06:02] <_mindspin> open console sudo init 0
[06:03] <Psi-Jack> shutdown -r now
[06:03] <Psi-Jack> Or shutdown -h now
[06:03] <trappist> sudo halt
[06:03] <sniff> trappist: i am trying right now
[06:03] <robotgeek> sniff: "libgpgme11 kgpg libgpg-error0" is all the gpg related packages i have installed, i think
[06:03] <NRG88> i wonder why i don't have  shutdown button there :(
[06:03] <newb> whats easier to use/install? this or debian?
[06:04] <trappist> newb: the installer is mostly the same, but I find ubuntu easier to use
[06:04] <newb> ty :)
[06:04] <trappist> I would like to see a nice gui installer like mandrake has, though
[06:04] <trappist> sorry, mandriva.
[06:04] <_mindspin> you'll get acomplete desktop system if you want
[06:04] <trappist> blech.
[06:04] <newb> yeh, that would be cool
[06:05] <_mindspin> debian needs more handcraft
[06:05] <newb> mm
[06:05] <_mindspin> ncurses gives you a fine gui
[06:05] <trappist> well debian seems to suffer from an elitist attitude that doesn't welcome newbies and enjoys the barrier to entry
[06:05] <trappist> and we've inherited some of the symptoms of that
[06:06] <Psi-Jack> trappist: here here!
[06:06] <UsefulIdiot> So what does the "Package x has no installation candidate" mean/How do you get it to work? does using powerpc builds affect anything? I cant install subversion, automake, autoconf, ncurses, rdesktop or anything, but on x86 it worked fine
[06:06] <Psi-Jack> Down with the debianists elitists!
[06:06] <sniff> trappist:  i have installed these packages without success
[06:06] <doowtniop> mmmm....trappist beers :p
[06:06] <sniff> robotgeek: i already have these installed :(
[06:06] <doowtniop> sorry, couldn't help it ;)
[06:06] <Psi-Jack> --^-- Say that 10 times fast.
[06:06] <d0c_morb> sorry, me again. is there someone from the ubuntu team or anyone i could ask? or a should i post a bug report or anything?
[06:07] <_mindspin> read the forum maybe others had the same problem
[06:08] <d0c_morb> i asked for help there but no one answered...
[06:08] <robotgeek> UsefulIdiot: what do you mean powerpc builds?
[06:08] <UsefulIdiot> im running kubuntu on an ibook
[06:08] <_mindspin> did you search for memory there?
[06:08] <robotgeek> UsefulIdiot: hmm, same here
[06:09] <UsefulIdiot> any time i try and apt-get install something i get "Package x has no installation candidate"
[06:09] <sniff> any insight as to the meaning of: gpgme was compiled without support for openpgp?
[06:09] <robotgeek> UsefulIdiot: maybe you don't have it in your repository list
[06:09] <robotgeek> UsefulIdiot: does "apt-cache search <package>" list that package?
[06:10] <UsefulIdiot> fresh kubuntu install, i cant see why it wouldnt, how do you update your repository lists?
[06:10] <Psi-Jack> BOOM!
[06:10] <Psi-Jack> Signed GPG mail worked.
[06:10] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: cool
[06:10] <Psi-Jack> You know how many fracking hours I spent with that in Gentoo?
[06:10] <Psi-Jack> Grrrrr
[06:10] <callie> Hey robotgeek
[06:10] <_mindspin> you need the tools for compiling dunno the name now
[06:10] <robotgeek> hey callie
[06:10] <UsefulIdiot> no just some other unrelated stuff(searched for subversion, got libapr0, and devscripts)
[06:10] <_uma> [OT]  anybody can give me quick help with fetchmail?
[06:11] <humboldt> Kmail is telling me: The resource '/home/hugo/.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf' is locked by application ''. Obviously there is no app using the file. How can I release the lock?
[06:11] <_mindspin> like make?
[06:11] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell UsefulIdiot about repos
[06:11] <sniff> Psi-Jack: have you had the same problem before?
[06:11] <callie> robotgeek, i was reading some of your blog, very interesting, i was led to it by easyubuntu
[06:11] <_mindspin> !repos
[06:11] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:11] <Psi-Jack> humboldt: Look in that directory for a .lck file
[06:11] <_mindspin> !gcc
[06:11] <ubotu> methinks gcc is the GNU project C and C++ compiler.  From the command-line, type "man gcc" for a complete manual on gcc.  You can install gcc with 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[06:11] <robotgeek> callie: :)
[06:11] <Psi-Jack> sniff: Okay. What is your specific problem. I haven't been paying attention.
[06:12] <Psi-Jack> Wait a minute. callie ? What's my wife doing here? *chuckles*
[06:12] <sniff> Psi-Jack: i cannot enable encryption in kmail
[06:12] <callie> lol
[06:12] <Captainbraille> Hello, how do I play asf files?
[06:12] <Psi-Jack> sniff: Why.. Not? What's the symptoms?
[06:12] <sniff> i looked on the internet, the solution is to recompile libgpgme
[06:12] <Psi-Jack> Captainbraille: w32codecs
[06:12] <callie> is callie a common name in the states, im asuming thats where you are
[06:12] <callie> ?
[06:13] <sniff> is sum1 able to tell me hwo to recompile libgpgme please?
[06:13] <Psi-Jack> callie: Common? Not really very common, but it does exist here and there. ;)
[06:13] <_mindspin> in germen its Kalli for karl
[06:13] <Psi-Jack> sniff: Do you have KDE 3.5.1?
[06:13] <Captainbraille> Psi-jack: how do I find that?
[06:13] <Psi-Jack> !Seveas
[06:13] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[06:13] <_mindspin> !codecs
[06:13] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[06:13] <Psi-Jack> Captainbraille: That repository.
[06:14] <Psi-Jack> I recommend ONLY Seveas' for that.
[06:14] <sniff> Psi-Jack: I got to CONFIGURE KMAIL -> SECURITY -> CRYPTO BACKENDS
[06:14] <callie> i use callie as an abreviation of Caliban, which is a handle i used to use until 9/11 where upon lots of poorly read americans kept booting me out of rooms thinking that it had some link with Taliban
[06:14] <snoozix> re.
[06:14] <vge> whats a good samba browser to kubuntu?
[06:14] <sniff> Psi-Jack: but they are all unusable (greyed out)
[06:14] <Psi-Jack> sniff: Which version of KDE?
[06:14] <_mindspin> vge konqueror
[06:14] <Psi-Jack> vge: Konqueror, Mozilla Firefox
[06:15] <vge> ic
[06:15] <callie> and i am in fact, contrary to to public belief, male
[06:15] <Psi-Jack> vga: What about Interface Contorollers?
[06:15] <Psi-Jack> callie: Oh? Well, then you're not my wife! :)
[06:15] <sniff> Psi-Jack:  not sure the standard one in breezy
[06:15] <callie> indeed
[06:15] <humboldt> how can I get a desktop search app in kubuntu?
[06:15] <callie> unless you're in alabama?
[06:16] <Psi-Jack> sniff: Upgrade to KDE 3.5.1 from kubuntu.org's article near the bottom of the page now.
[06:16] <Psi-Jack> It fixes LOTS of problems, and gets you current. ;)
[06:16] <sniff> Psi-Jack: how i upgreade?
[06:16] <trappist> LOTS of problems
[06:16] <humboldt> doodled seems to depend on fam but ubuntu-desktop default is gamin. Therefor the installer wants to delete all kde!
[06:16] <VincentMX> hi
[06:17] <Psi-Jack> sniff: Add the repository to your sources.list, a fetch updates, and full upgrade, in Adept.
[06:17] <Psi-Jack> Very easy.
[06:17] <trappist> only 2 really annoying problems remain here
[06:17] <humboldt> Psi-Jack: Is KDE 3.5.1 available for breezy or only for dapper?
[06:17] <Psi-Jack> trappist: The media:/hdc and what?
[06:17] <robotgeek> for breezy and dapper
[06:18] <_patrick> humboldt: both
[06:18] <Psi-Jack> humboldt: Actually, only for Breezy.
[06:18] <Psi-Jack> Err, Okay, maybe there is a Dapper one too.
[06:18] <humboldt> Did anybody notice any problems with apt lately???
[06:18] <trappist> on one machine, my imap address book is always empty (even though it's really not) and on another every time I start kmail I have to enter all the send/receive passwords for every account AND my kwallet password
[06:18] <_patrick> how do I ghost someone?
[06:18] <humboldt> It seems the nomenclatur has changed but apt does not fully support it yet!
[06:18] <sniff> Psi-Jack:
[06:18] <sniff> !kde
[06:18] <ubotu> from memory, kde is A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[06:19] <sniff> !kde 3.5
[06:19] <ubotu> kde 3.5 is, like, at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[06:19] <Psi-Jack> trappist: KWallet is annoying like that. To fix that, disable the wallet, configure Kmail to store passwords.
[06:19] <sniff> !kde 3.5 repos
[06:19] <ubotu> sniff: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:19] <sniff> lol
[06:20] <callie> damn i forgot, i was going to say Namaste Robotgeek Gee
[06:20] <_mindspin> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[06:20] <robotgeek> callie: heh, namaste :)
[06:20] <Psi-Jack> _mindspin: Thats for 3.5.0, not 3.5.1.?
[06:20] <callie> I noticed you are tamil and I know some tamils here in london robotgeek
[06:20] <_mindspin> could be
[06:21] <_mindspin> its my source
[06:21] <Psi-Jack> It is.
[06:21] <Psi-Jack> It's for 3.5.0
[06:21] <robotgeek> callie: nice :)
[06:21] <Psi-Jack> kde351 will get 3.5.1
[06:21] <callie> yes they are robotgeek
[06:21] <Psi-Jack> And kde-latest will keep you on the latest tree.
[06:21] <callie> more kitten that tiger ;)
[06:22] <_mindspin> you would recommend 3.5.1 ?
[06:22] <robotgeek> _mindspin: yes, it's nice, and i havent had any issues with it yet
[06:22] <sniff> slright
[06:22] <sniff> ialready had kubuntu latest in my sources
[06:22] <sniff> just hadn;t done the upgrade
[06:22] <sniff> !ubuntu-desktop
[06:22] <ubotu> ubuntu-desktop is probably a metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when ugprading.
[06:23] <robotgeek> callie: maybe we should take more in #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[06:23] <_mindspin> what do you mean with "yet" how long are you on 3.5.1?
[06:23] <Psi-Jack> _mindspin: Oh hell yes.
[06:23] <robotgeek> _mindspin: heh, s/yet//
[06:23] <callie> yeah sorry guys
[06:25] <Psi-Jack> Mmmm.
[06:25] <Psi-Jack> I'm gonna make a KMail signature script that uses fortune. :D
[06:26] <Psi-Jack> Interesting signature footnote: You will be run over by a beer truck.
[06:27] <tafsen> When I star Kaffeine it comes a setup-screen or something, and it's freeze.
[06:27] <tafsen> *start
[06:27] <sniff> hey! there is one really cool feature of kmail
[06:28] <Psi-Jack> Nice.. Got my little ~/bin/signature.<name> going, now. Muahaha
[06:29] <sniff> i attached a .log file from a ./configure i did to email to a friend so he can see what went wrong. The file was 1mb, just as i was going to click the send button I noticed the COMPRESS selection. I clicked it and the size was instantly reduced to 12k! That's soooo cool, it's totally integrated
[06:30] <sniff> kmail just gzipped the f*ck out of it
[06:30] <Psi-Jack> sniff: Yep yep yep. Almost all the KDE stuff does great things. You know Kontact, right? It just swallows Kmail into it, rather than making a completely new piece of software to do that. (Gnome decided to make Evolution, which was completely seperate from everything else they started doing)
[06:31] <tafsen> ..
[06:31] <sniff> mmm
[06:31] <sniff> Psi-Jack:  i got a prob with   my contacts though
[06:31] <Psi-Jack> I have a problem that you have a problem with your contacts!
[06:31] <sniff> Psi-Jack: all my contacts are in thunderbird, how do i import them to Kontact?
[06:31] <sniff> Psi-Jack: lol!
[06:32] <sniff> the only other thing that gets my goat at the moment is this encryption business
[06:33] <sniff> encryption support should be buikt into kmail
[06:33] <sniff> with strong integration with kgpg
[06:33] <robotgeek> sniff: i remember that it worked right out of the box for me
[06:33] <sniff> that's strange
[06:33] <Psi-Jack> sniff: Why? The tools are made and used. This is the Unix way, and it's a very good way. It requires much less reinventions of the wheel.
[06:33] <sniff> last night i did a fresh install of kubuntu
[06:33] <Psi-Jack> The wheel is already round!
[06:34] <snoozix> grat
[06:34] <callie> damn
[06:34] <sniff> i installed kbuntu
[06:34] <sniff> then added kgpg to it
[06:34] <snoozix> amarok keeps crashing more often than it plays a song correctly.
[06:34] <snoozix> very cool.
[06:35] <callie> lol
[06:35] <sniff> * dfg
[06:35] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[06:35] <callie> snoozix, you really want to hate amarok dont you?
[06:35] <snoozix> callie: i want to listen to music.
[06:35] <Psi-Jack> I never have a problem with amaroK...
[06:35] <Psi-Jack> I've run amaroK, literally for 2 days straight, non-stop.
[06:35] <snoozix> callie: i don't make my opinion about any software just because i'm in a bad mood or something, could you please figure that?
[06:36] <humboldt> kde 3.5.1 does not provide an updated kubuntu-desktop package
[06:36] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: with x-fading?
[06:36] <Psi-Jack> snoozix: x-fading?
[06:36] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: crossfading.
[06:36] <Psi-Jack> Oh. Ummm. Lemme check.
[06:36] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: beautiful soft fades between 2 songs.
[06:36] <callie> snoozix, you could try having a bit more of a sense of humour and not being so defensive
[06:36] <sniff> oh i thought it was x11 fading or something
[06:36] <humboldt> Does kde 3.5.1 already support gstreamer as backend?
[06:37] <Psi-Jack> No. No crossfading.
[06:37] <snoozix> callie: i just want working software. i think that's not a joke or something.
[06:37] <Psi-Jack> humboldt: KDE doesn't use gstreamer. Individual parts of KDE applications however might.
[06:37] <callie> geez
[06:37] <sniff> damn! it's getting on for 2 am here
[06:37] <snoozix> callie: is it so unnormal that i just want to listen to music?
[06:37] <callie> snoozix, chill
[06:37] <humboldt> is there some desktop search app for kde 3.5.1 and is it in kubuntu breezy?
[06:37] <snoozix> callie: don't try to calm me down, thank you :)
[06:38] <sniff> humboldt: there is one
[06:38] <sniff> humboldt: called
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> I am trying the amaroK crossfading feature now.
[06:38] <sniff> humboldt: bernard
[06:38] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: which engine do you use? xine-engine with alsa?
[06:38] <callie> snoozix, i couldnt care how calm you are, i just dont see the need to your knickers in a twist
[06:38] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: stereo 2.0 arrangement?
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> xine-engine with alsa, yes.
[06:39] <Psi-Jack> Yes, Stereo 2.0. It's music, afterall, wanted to keep it on the front 2 channels ONLY. :)
[06:39] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: so tell me if crossfading works for you
[06:39] <Psi-Jack> I use Kaffeine with 4.1 :)
[06:39] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: i only have 2 channels. i have a very good stereo and i think 2 channels is the best to listen to music.
[06:40] <Psi-Jack> Heh. I could always dmix it to all the rear speakers, but I don't.
[06:40] <Psi-Jack> It just uses my 2 fronts and my sub.
[06:41] <snoozix> callie: as just said, the current state of audio players with linux keeps me frustrated. i got a large collection of music and it's my big hobby to maintain it, keep it sorted, tagged and so on and i just want a music player that completely integrates seamless into my LIFE and my style of living. i want to live with my audio player. it's enough that i have to work on my linux and on my desktop all the time. my music player should NOT be tha
[06:41] <snoozix> t way, it should just do what i want it to.
[06:41] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[06:41] <Psi-Jack> Ummm
[06:41] <snoozix> callie: thanks a lot for recommending me stuff and software.
[06:42] <Psi-Jack> amaroK's cross-fader SUCKS.
[06:42] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: right.
[06:42] <Psi-Jack> amaroK didn't crash. It just..
[06:42] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: lowest value is 1500ms and it sucks.
[06:42] <Psi-Jack> Didn't work... Right.. It ... Tripped up the end, and beginning between the songs.
[06:42] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: beginning volume of second song is 0%
[06:42] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: it sucks too.
[06:42] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: it has been fixed
[06:42] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: and the latency is pain.
[06:42] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: that's exactly what i'm talking about.
[06:42] <callie> snoozix, i feel the same way, i think the audio side of linux in general needs a lot of work, or rather a bit more focus but screaming at me isnt going to help your cause much
[06:43] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: I was just testing it to see if amaroK would die, or not, like snoozix complains of. ;)
[06:43] <Psi-Jack> And it does.
[06:43] <callie> snoozix, you're talking to a sounds engineer here
[06:43] <callie> -s
[06:43] <Psi-Jack> It croaks the music itself. ;H
[06:43] <snoozix> callie: i am NOT screaming, i'm in a good mood except that i've been to the hospital fo 4 hours to get infusion in my blood :)
[06:43] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: the crossfading has been fixed in the latest amarok
[06:43] <robotgeek> snoozix: take some rest, and get off irc :)
[06:43] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: Cool. Not a big thing, to me. ;)
[06:44] <callie> im sorry snoozix i thought all those caps letters where shouting, my fault
[06:44] <snoozix> callie: and i just complain about the current state of audio players in linux, why can't it just be the way i want it to. i'm not a programmer, i'm just addicted to good music :)
[06:44] <Psi-Jack> I never used the crossfader till snoozix complained about it. ;)
[06:44] <snoozix> callie: ehehehe :)
[06:44] <callie> there is
[06:44] <snoozix> robotgeek: i won't - thank you, i feel like typing 300 letters a minute and drinking some wine and listening to "the police" or so :)
[06:44] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: Yes.
[06:45] <Psi-Jack> xine's EQ engine still lacks, though.
[06:45] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: where is it, i've been looking for ages. lol
[06:45] <sniff> GUYS GUYS GUYS
[06:46] <sniff> kde 3.5 upgrade OK
[06:46] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: Tools menu, Equalizer
[06:46] <snoozix> if it comes to mp3 players, i begin to think of winamp. it's a good player and i like it a lot. xmms is cool, too. there is no other player that i could think of that satisfies me. foobar2000 is great, too. ok. that's it. why isn't there a foobar2000 for linux? that'll be great yeah :)
[06:46] <sniff> kmail has crypto options enabled
[06:46] <jpatrick> sniff: we know
[06:46] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: thanks, never struck me to look there
[06:46] <sniff> :(:(:9
[06:46] <sniff> bleh bleh bleh
[06:46] <Psi-Jack> hehehe
[06:46] <sniff> but i'm so happy, aren't you happy for me?
[06:46] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: I reveal all obvious secrets.
[06:47] <sniff> the windows look different though, kinda more 3d
[06:47] <snoozix> callie: and please please don't think my opinions are fittable for all people. they just show off what _i_ _currently_ think about those stuff, maybe in 1 week i will have completely different views.
[06:47] <Psi-Jack> sniff: yep. Much better.
[06:47] <sniff> Psi-Jack: so do you know how to get contacts from tbird into kontact?
[06:47] <callie> snoozix, dude, i'm on your side here
[06:47] <snoozix> callie: :)
[06:47] <callie> you just need to bring it down a peg
[06:48] <Psi-Jack> snoozix: Have you tried running amaroK in dual-window mode, instead of that one huge media window?
[06:48] <snoozix> callie: my english is not that good but i can imagine what that means :)
[06:48] <robotgeek> sniff: export contacts from thunderbird, and import it in kontact?
[06:48] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: no. should i try that?
[06:48] <Psi-Jack> snoozix: You might like the feel of it better. ;)
[06:48] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: i tried it one year ago or so.
[06:48] <sniff> i will
[06:48] <sniff> try
[06:48] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: are you talking about the winamp mode?
[06:48] <sniff> wow Kopete looks like gold now
[06:49] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: The "xmms" mode, yes.
[06:49] <callie> but i understand, its frustrating, you shouldnt need all these different daemons and sound engines and blah blah blah, how about just one that works, out of the box
[06:49] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: hmm, i probably won't use that.
[06:49] <callie> but then we get into windows territory
[06:49] <robotgeek> but that's just me
[06:49] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: I like it, because I can watch it more easily, and it doesn't consume my entire screen. :)
[06:50] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[06:50] <Psi-Jack> Interesting. /media actually does do something.
[06:50] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: i don't see my amarok ever, it's just in my system tray
[06:50] <callie> brb
[06:50] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: but please keep that down in here :)
[06:50] <Psi-Jack> I have the OSD enabled. :D
[06:51] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: I didn't plan to abuse it. Just wanted to try it once. :)
[06:51] <snoozix> i don't like that xmms style window.
[06:51] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: On! You! Are you the amarok guy that was in #kde a couple days back? :D
[06:51] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: on #kde ?
[06:51] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Hmm, I guess not.
[06:52] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: I'm only on #kde-devel sometimes
[06:52] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: I made wind that Kubuntu was an excelent distribution, but it was still not in mature states yet.
[06:52] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: that was in #amarok
[06:53] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Oh! It was.. Sorry, I use channels quite, intensely. LOL
[06:53] <jpatrick> me too
[06:53] <snoozix> banshee crashes when i try to start it.
[06:53] <snoozix> hm
[06:53] <jpatrick> lots of *-devel channels :P
[06:53] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Well, I put up a new Wiki for my own KDE Tips & Tricks that fixes some of Kubuntu-packaged KDE faults. :)
[06:54] <jpatrick> :)
[06:54] <Psi-Jack> What kinda things are people, KDE-wise, complaining about? :} I need some ideas to enhance that wiki, based on what people need, and not just what I see.
[06:55] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: And what's that meeting about? Is it an IRC meeting?
[06:55] <sniff> Psi-Jack: what should i choose for PREFERRED CRYPTO MESSAGE FORMAT under my identity?
[06:55] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: yes 8 o'clock (UTC) tonight :: #ubuntu-meeting
[06:56] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Is it for both Kubuntu and Ubuntu?
[06:56] <jpatrick> it's a Kubuntu meeting :)
[06:56] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, okay. Wanted to make sure.
[06:56] <Psi-Jack> Is everyone welcome? I wasn't sure. ;)
[06:56] <snoozix> everyone except me :)
[06:57] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: feel free to add things to the agenda https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[06:57] <jpatrick> (if you plan to talk about your topic)
[06:57] <sniff> Psi-Jack:
[06:57] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: I might just do that. ;)
[06:58] <Psi-Jack> And why does kubuntu.org have an invalid SSL cert? :p
[06:58] <jpatrick> hmm, new cloak and now lots of lags
[06:58] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: because it was meant for ubuntu.com
[06:58] <spriet> \query u3xn5
[06:59] <snoozix> \bleh
[06:59] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Aha.. That makes sense. LOL
[07:00] <Psi-Jack> Oh!
[07:00] <Psi-Jack> I know a problem I need to solve..
[07:00] <Psi-Jack> Does anyone here have a problem with the KHelp Center not actually ever indexing like you tell it to?
[07:00] <sniff> why does it feel like kde 3;5 is faster
[07:00] <Psi-Jack> sniff: Because, it is.
[07:00] <sniff> Psi-Jack: help me with my prob please!
[07:01] <Psi-Jack> sniff: At the moment, I'm investigating this Kubuntu meeting, because I might have topics to bring up.
[07:01] <sniff> ah shit
[07:01] <Psi-Jack> Patience, grasshoppa
[07:01] <sniff> ok
[07:02] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Oh, and if it wasn't obvious by now. I am actually fully using Kubuntu, even on my servers.. It still has it's annoyances, but it's a lot better than spending 4 days trying to get Gentoo, OpenLDAP, and SASL working nicely with each other. Never could get OpenLDAP and SASL to do a proper LDAPv3 SASL bind.
[07:03] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: I knew you'll crack in the end
[07:03] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Heh. You were right. I was running kubuntu off a spare HDD, and last night, I did the whole cp -a to the primary HDD. :)
[07:04] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: wanna help out and become an elite kubuntu dev?
[07:05] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Have you ever looked in the ebuilds of Gentoo? My name has been stamped in them in the past.. What this is saying, is if I can help make things better, I will do so. As time allots.
[07:06] <jpatrick> cool
[07:06] <Psi-Jack> Right now, I'm investigaing this never-creating help search index problem. :/
[07:07] <Psi-Jack> The Application Manuals always come up "Missing"
[07:07] <Psi-Jack> AHA!
[07:07] <Psi-Jack> htdig failed!
[07:08] <jpatrick> :/
[07:08] <sniff> Psi-Jack: i have that prob right now, i want to read the kontact man
[07:08] <sniff> cannot find index.html
[07:08] <MetaMorfoziS> i have this
[07:09] <MetaMorfoziS> meta@kisgep:~$ 3ddeskd: glXIsDirect failed, no Direct Rendering possible! 3ddeskd: Please configure hardware acceleration.  Exiting.
[07:09] <MetaMorfoziS> what i need?
[07:09] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: And adept REALLY needs to be fixed. :/
[07:09] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i set up direct renderign?
[07:09] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: Dapper's adept ROCKS
[07:10] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Had the console debconf issue been fixed?
[07:10] <jpatrick> think so
[07:10] <Psi-Jack> When debconf comes up, now, it will not allow the initial use of it. This /should/ be fixed in Breezy until Dapper comes out.
[07:11] <Psi-Jack> That kind of bug, I consider a show-stopper.
[07:12] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: report it then
[07:13] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: fixes are welcome :)
[07:13] <Psi-Jack> 10 4. ;)
[07:13] <Psi-Jack> I'm not a C/C++ programmer, however.
[07:13] <jpatrick> I am
[07:13] <Psi-Jack> I do everything BUT C/C++/mono
[07:13] <jpatrick> Python is my other fav
[07:13] <Psi-Jack> heh
[07:14] <Psi-Jack> Mostly interpretted languaged.
[07:14] <Psi-Jack> Blah, I can not type today. :/
[07:14] <jpatrick> https://launchpad.net/people/jpatrick <- me
[07:14] <Psi-Jack> Finally! KDE Help Center has an index! Yay!
[07:15] <jpatrick> :)
[07:16] <Psi-Jack> Nice karma. :)
[07:16] <Psi-Jack> And no bounties.
[07:16] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: that's just i18n
[07:17] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[07:18] <Psi-Jack> Agenda speaks of desktop indexing.. Or something.
[07:18] <Psi-Jack> Doesn't KDE have it's own indexing agent for that kind of thing?
[07:18] <davtaine> killer
[07:19] <spriet> hiho iam newbee ...how to install skype.deb  ????
[07:19] <Psi-Jack> !seveas
[07:19] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[07:19] <Psi-Jack> spriet: Use that repo mentioned.
[07:20] <Psi-Jack> It has a functional Skype package, with the skype_dsp_hijacker which if you have problems with Skype not releasing the DSP device, that hijacker will correct it.
[07:20] <Psi-Jack> Speaking of which.
[07:20] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: You know how to deal with Debian-style packaging, yes?
[07:20] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: yes
[07:21] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: I'm a Master of the Universe
[07:21] <jpatrick> see /topic
[07:21] <jpatrick> :)
[07:21] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: I'm trying to help seveas out by fixing the skype-dsp-hijacker further, and I need to know how to make use of /etc/defaults/skype-dsp-hijacker, to tell the package manager it's a conf file, and all.
[07:21] <spriet> it works thy
[07:21] <spriet> thx
[07:22] <Psi-Jack> I've already helped Seveas fix the hijacker engine up a bit, I just need to finish it. ;)
[07:22] <spriet> kubuntu is nice :-) i like it better the Suse!!!
[07:22] <Psi-Jack> Unless you specifically BUY SuSE, SuSE is crap.
[07:23] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: err...
[07:23] <Psi-Jack> Development of that nature tells me, they only care about money, and not a good product. So I will never use SuSE.
[07:23] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: shame that stuff's closed up
[07:23] <Psi-Jack> Yep. :)
[07:23] <jpatrick> right
[07:24] <jpatrick> <- out to supper
[07:24] <Psi-Jack> The Evaluation of SuSE gives SuSE absolutely /no/ justice.
[07:30] <DjDarkman> hy ,if i want to try dapper ,where can i upgrade to the beta ,wich repository?
[07:31] <Psi-Jack> Change all distribution names from breezy to dapper, in sources.list, and apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:31] <Psi-Jack> Beware, apt-get is upgrade-friendly, but /not/ downgrade friendly, and Dapper is, as you know, beta.
[07:32] <Psi-Jack> Actually, technically, still unstable.
[07:32] <richard1> how I use the printer epson 777i in ubuntu?
[07:32] <Psi-Jack> richard1: One moment.
[07:35] <Psi-Jack> richard1: The Stylus Color 777?
[07:36] <richard1> Psi-jack: yes
[07:36] <richard1> 777i
[07:36] <Psi-Jack> richard1: You will need the gimp-print driver to use that perfectly.
[07:36] <Psi-Jack> http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Epson-Stylus_Color_777
[07:37] <cptflam> can you select the packages to be installed by kubuntu during the installation
[07:37] <cptflam> ?
[07:37] <Psi-Jack> If you simply installed the gimp-print package, CUPS might recognize it, and be able to set it up in KDE's Control Center for printers.
[07:37] <Psi-Jack> cptflam: Nope.
[07:37] <cptflam> crap
[07:38] <Psi-Jack> cptflam: You can, however, use server install to do a bare minimum.
[07:38] <cptflam> the install is larger than my disk and thus is stuck midway
[07:38] <cptflam> oh
[07:38] <cptflam> ok
[07:38] <cptflam> i'll try that thanks
[07:38] <Psi-Jack> cptflam: When you boot the CD, hit F1 before it boots the installer.
[07:42] <fit4lfe> having problems with dapper on xwindows
[07:42] <fit4lfe> can't seem to get xwindows to work
[07:42] <Psi-Jack> No such thing as xwindows.
[07:42] <fit4lfe> at all
[07:42] <JF1976> try startx
[07:42] <fit4lfe> i did
[07:43] <fit4lfe> it flashes the splash screen then nothing
[07:43] <fit4lfe> error telling me that can't find /dev/input/mice
[07:44] <JF1976> try Xorg
[07:44] <JF1976> what mouse you got ?
[07:44] <fit4lfe> usb
[07:44] <fit4lfe> worked fine with breezy
[07:44] <JF1976> do a lsusb
[07:44] <JF1976> to see if your device is detected!
[07:44] <fit4lfe> k
[07:44] <fit4lfe> then what
[07:45] <fit4lfe> brb
[07:45] <JF1976> if its detected then you will need to find info about setting the device inyou xconfig
[07:48] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, security.ubuntu.com down?
[07:49] <trappist> Psi-Jack: I've heard it is
[07:49] <Psi-Jack> Darnet.!
[07:49] <erhan_R> hi
[07:49] <Psi-Jack> I need it.
[07:50] <Psi-Jack> Is there a us mirror?
[07:50] <erhan_R> leave
[07:50] <Psi-Jack> erhan_R: Um, No!
[07:50] <hugo_> kubuntu seems to bedown
[07:51] <Riddell> hugo_: power outage in the data centre apparantly
[07:51] <Psi-Jack> !easysource
[07:51] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[07:52] <_spriet> where can i get packages which dont list at adept?
[07:52] <_spriet> i need libqt3c102-mt
[07:52] <Psi-Jack> _spriet: Like, what?
[07:52] <Psi-Jack> Why do you need that?
[07:52] <_spriet> for installing skype
[07:52] <Riddell> !skype
[07:52] <ubotu> skype is, like, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[07:52] <Psi-Jack> No you don't. Use Seveas'
[07:53] <Psi-Jack> That is a Debian specific skype package. Seveas' fixes that dependancy problem.
[07:54] <spriet> ok thx i try
[07:55] <Ashex> I should be able to edit the Grub Loader on my external if I boot off my linux thumbdrive, right?
[07:56] <Psi-Jack> You have a linux thumb drive?
[07:56] <Psi-Jack> Bootable?
[07:56] <Ashex> yup
[07:56] <Psi-Jack> Nice! How big is the storage?
[07:56] <MetaMorfoziS> is there anyway to make a bootable, kde based ubuntu under 512mb?
[07:56] <Ashex> I have about 100 mb left on the thumbdrive, the build is about 150
[07:56] <MetaMorfoziS> (to boot it from an usb drive)
[07:57] <Ashex> I wrote a tutorial for it: www.chipnick.com/thumbdrive-linux
[07:57] <Psi-Jack> Ashex: 256mb thumb drive then?
[07:58] <Psi-Jack> Ashex: And the answer to your question, yes. As long as your partition is supported by your thumbdrive's provided kernel. ;)
[07:58] <MetaMorfoziS> hoh i go check it
[07:58] <Psi-Jack> Ashex: Then again..
[07:58] <Psi-Jack> Ashex: You can live edit the boot loader settings, from within grub, if all you need to do is make a correction.
[07:58] <Ashex> Psi-Jack: okay
[07:58] <Psi-Jack> Just remember if you do that, once you get booted back to normal, edit the menu.lst
[07:59] <Ashex> Psi-Jack: i'm using a tut to install to external, and I need to modify a couple settings, all the bootable options need to be hd0,0 instead of hd1,0
[07:59] <Psi-Jack> Ahh I see
[08:00] <Psi-Jack> The guy that wrote that Blog, looks like a proper geek.
[08:00] <Ashex> at the link?
[08:00] <Psi-Jack> Yeah
[08:00] <Psi-Jack> hehe
[08:00] <Ashex> you're so kind :p
[08:00] <Psi-Jack> Hehe, is that you?
[08:00] <Ashex> Yup
[08:01] <Psi-Jack> It wasn't an insult, BTW.
[08:01] <Ashex> I didn't take it as one :p
[08:01] <hugo_> are there any mirrors for http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest?
[08:01] <Psi-Jack> If I were to call you a nerd, THAT would be an insult. LOL
[08:01] <MetaMorfoziS> it's feather
[08:01] <jpatrick> hugo_: yes
[08:01] <MetaMorfoziS> i want ubuntu
[08:01] <MetaMorfoziS> or kubuntu...
[08:02] <MetaMorfoziS> is it possible?
[08:02] <MetaMorfoziS> isntall kubuntu an 512 thumbdrive?
[08:02] <Ashex> I'll eventually have a ubuntu thumbdrive edition.
[08:02] <Ashex> Install it as a server
[08:02] <hugo_> jpatrick: where? kubuntu.org is offline therefor I can't find one. And the source-o-matic does not provide me with one for .ca.
[08:02] <MetaMorfoziS> full bootable isn't possible?
[08:02] <MetaMorfoziS> plug & boot?:( :)
[08:03] <Ashex> MetaMorfoziS: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80811
[08:03] <hugo_> jpatrick: do you know any?
[08:03] <Ashex> Someone in that thread installed the server version onto a 512 stick
[08:03] <spriet> wrong password on console? ive installed kubuntu few minuets ago whats wrong?
[08:03] <spriet> how to become super user?
[08:04] <Psi-Jack> spriet: sudo su -
[08:04] <Ashex> hmmm
[08:04] <Ashex> I think I'm going to reinstall kubuntu
[08:04] <jpatrick> hugo_: no, but they are listened
[08:04] <Ashex> I've screwed up my partitions
[08:04] <spriet> yre thx it works
[08:05] <MetaMorfoziS> how soluted the partiotioning?
[08:05] <MetaMorfoziS> i think simple drives aren't partitionable
[08:05] <MetaMorfoziS> (for swap and ext3)
[08:06] <Ashex> I've got way too many partitions on the drive
[08:07] <Ashex> and windows doesn't detect all the ntfs partitions on it
[08:07] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[08:07] <MetaMorfoziS> and, what is the size of kde?
[08:07] <Psi-Jack> How long will security.ubuntu.com be down. :/
[08:07] <MetaMorfoziS> how many mb-s?
[08:08] <JasonR_> Does anyone know what I put in Xresources to change setting in Konsole? "konsole*background: Gray10" doesn't do anything.
[08:09] <Psi-Jack> Ahh!
[08:09] <Psi-Jack> It's finally back up.
[08:10] <Psi-Jack> T-minus 50 minutes for Kubuntu Meeting
[08:10] <feistel> hi
[08:10] <feistel> how I can execute a command everytime a apt-get database is modified (p.e.: a package is installed, a package is removed, ...), something line in apt.conf
[08:10] <feistel> ?
[08:10] <feistel> any suggest?
[08:10] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Hey. Who can I talk to about getting a !Psi-Jack trigger? :D
[08:10] <jpatrick> what?
[08:11] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: For the bot, to be able to send people to my Wiki KDE Tips & Tricks page.
[08:11] <jpatrick> !ubotu
[08:11] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[08:11] <jpatrick> ^^
[08:12] <Psi-Jack> feistel: Using Post-Invoke?
[08:12] <Psi-Jack> feistel: man apt.conf about Post-Invoke
[08:12] <feistel> Psi-Jack: how? please!
[08:12] <Psi-Jack> feistel: manpage, read it. Understand it. Live it. Breath it.
[08:13] <feistel> jajaj , ok!
[08:13] <feistel> thanks
[08:15] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Well... That didn't work. LOL
[08:15] <jpatrick> read the usage page
[08:16] <Psi-Jack> !Psi-Jack
[08:16] <ubotu> Psi-Jack: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:16] <Psi-Jack> ubotu: !Psi-Jack
[08:16] <ubotu> !psi-jack is probably Psi-Jack's KDE Tips & Tricks page to further enhance your KDE experience: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PsiJack
[08:16] <Psi-Jack> That's the part I on't get. LOL
[08:17] <Psi-Jack> !psi-Jack
[08:17] <ubotu> it has been said that psi-jack is Psi-Jack's KDE Tips & Tricks page to further enhance your KDE experience: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PsiJack
[08:17] <Psi-Jack> Aha!
[08:19] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: I can't believe dpkg's bot actually STILL had my info from eons ago.
[08:19] <Psi-Jack> [psi-jack]  a Debianite of the GNU generation. Heavily into GTK and Gnome-based X11 applications. <-- That was before I fell in love with KDE. LOL
[08:20] <jpatrick> ok
[08:22] <laserman> if I install kubuntu, does the boot loader let me have a chioce of booting to root or my user account? I am ruuning live right now.
[08:22] <Psi-Jack> laserman: You don't "boot" to a user. It brings you to a login.
[08:23] <trappist> unless you boot to rescue mode, in which case you're root.
[08:23] <Psi-Jack> Correct.
[08:23] <laserman> at the login, can I choose between root and user?
[08:23] <Psi-Jack> laserman: You have to login as your user, then sudo to root. The root password is disabled, by default.
[08:23] <stjepan> hello
[08:23] <trappist> laserman: basically you don't login as root, ever.  you enter your username and password, but iirc the username is prepopulated for you.
[08:23] <laserman> ok, thanks
[08:23] <Psi-Jack> trappist: I login as root. :p
[08:24] <stjepan> do you know any really really wonderful eyecandies for KDE, except baghira?
[08:24] <trappist> stjepan: katapult
[08:24] <laserman> is it fairly easy to setup to dualboot to XP and kubuntu?
[08:24] <jpatrick> laserman: yes
[08:24] <stjepan> baghira is just wonderful, it rocks, but osx like desktop isnt very functional :(((
[08:24] <Psi-Jack> trappist: In fact, I setup a root password, because had I not, and LDAP issues arose, I would not be able to fix my system easily. ;)
[08:25] <JasonR> Anyone here use Xresources to config KDE?
[08:25] <trappist> Psi-Jack: yeah it's a little worrisome, all the things you can break that will lock you out if you don't have a root password
[08:25] <Psi-Jack> JasonR: Hmmm, Does KDE itself even USE xrdb resources?
[08:25] <JasonR> I don't know.
[08:25] <stjepan> what is in your opinion, the most functional desktop?
[08:25] <Psi-Jack> The answer is, No.
[08:25] <Psi-Jack> I don't think KDE uses xrdb at all.
[08:26] <JasonR> Psi-jack: So there is no way to configre Konsole with zrdb then?
[08:26] <JasonR> :-(
[08:26] <Psi-Jack> JasonR: Try #kde. I'm asking over there about xrdb now.
[08:26] <Psi-Jack> Waiting for a reply.
[08:26] <JasonR> Psi-Jack: Thanks, I will ask there.
[08:27] <Psi-Jack> But, I don't think KDE even considered xrdb in their design. They should've, but I don't think they did.
[08:27] <Psi-Jack> But, Then again.
[08:28] <stjepan> I want a nice desktop style where I can easy and quicly access to everything. With osx style functionality is very low. Windows style - good but ugly and boring. Any ideas?
[08:28] <Psi-Jack> xrdb is old and delapitated. And probably should die, just like the X Font Server.
[08:28] <Psi-Jack> stjepan: kde-look.org?
[08:28] <erhan_R> hey
[08:29] <spriet> jo cool skype is running :-)
[08:29] <_spriet> but how to recieve emails?
[08:30] <_spriet_> which program is to reciev emails?
[08:30] <_spriet_> on kubuntu
[08:31] <_martin_> KMail should do the trick. Otherwise ThunderBird will do
[08:32] <_spriet_> and this use smtp and pop?
[08:33] <Tm_T> _spriet_: ofcourse
[08:34] <trappist> <3 kmail
[08:34] <trappist> I left and went with mutt for like 3 years, but I finally came back
[08:36] <Ashex> CRRRAAAPP
[08:36] <Ashex> the kubuntu install went a little crazy on me
[08:36] <jpatrick> ...
[08:36] <Ashex> I partitioned a 30gb ext3 for it to use
[08:36] <Ashex> it decided to use the 60gb ntfs parition
[08:37] <Ashex> >.<
[08:37] <Ashex> Guess I'll just give it a 90gb partition...
[08:37] <Ashex> At least I kept most of my important stuff on my other partition
[08:38] <_spriet_> cool it works to...makes fun Kubuntu very cool and easy to configure
[08:38] <_spriet_> thx
[08:38] <_spriet_> for help
[08:42] <nabz> hey guyz, wheres mozilla firefox on this?
[08:45] <arrinmurr> nabz: you can install it with Adept or with the command "sudo apt-get install firefox" , or if you want the latest version:
[08:45] <arrinmurr> !firefox1.5
[08:45] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[08:45] <nabz> ty
[08:51] <Ashex> you think if I switched out the little IDE cable inside an external with a full sized cable, I can get two HD's in it?
[08:53] <nabz> ahh, firfox is a pain to install. lol
[08:53] <nabz> fire*
[08:53] <nabz> i dont have any previouse versions installed either :(
[08:53] <kkathman> nabz its easy to install actually
[08:53] <nabz> im new to linux. lol
[08:53] <kkathman> just dont read the crap they tell you to
[08:53] <kkathman> just download it to you home directory, untar it, and set a symlink to /usr/bin
[08:54] <nabz> symlink?
[08:54] <kkathman> yah
[08:54] <kkathman> !symlink
[08:54] <ubotu> symlink is probably ln -s /path/to/file/or/dir /path/to/link
[08:54] <nabz> home/nabz/
[08:54] <nabz> ?
[08:54] <nabz> or just /home
[08:54] <robotgeek> kkathman: why don't ypu edit the wiki with your directions?
[08:55] <kkathman> robotgeek: cuz, admittedly, if you are a firefox user, and have a bunch of extensions and themes, you have much more to do..if you are a newbie, its very quick and easy
[08:56] <nabz> kkathman. shall i download it to: /home/nabz/
[08:56] <robotgeek> kkathman: maybe i should do it, cause i did it in my $HOME, following the exact same instructions. :)
[08:56] <kkathman> nabz:  I downloaded mine to ~/downloads
[08:56] <kkathman> yah it works like a champ
[08:56] <nabz> hmm iv done it to /home/nabz/, does it matter?
[08:56] <robotgeek> all my extensions were saved too
[08:57] <hugo_> kubuntu is down again
[08:57] <jpatrick> hugo_: sysadmin blew up
[08:57] <kkathman> robotgeek:  they should be actually
[08:57] <robotgeek> kkathman: i mean, they kept working and all
[08:58] <kkathman> robotgeek:  they should actually because a new install wont have those directories
[08:58] <kkathman> and you can repeat the download over and over
[08:58] <kkathman> for each update
[08:58] <nabz> kkathman. could you guide me trough installing ff please :)
[08:58] <robotgeek> kkathman: i mean, my extensions from ffox 1.7 worked great
[08:59] <kkathman> nabz:  I just did actually :)
[08:59] <kkathman> its that simple
[08:59] <nabz> lol, not for a newbie :(
[08:59] <nabz> ok so iv downloaded it to /home/nabz
[08:59] <nabz> now im lost
[08:59] <nabz> lol
[08:59] <jpatrick> !firefox1.5
[08:59] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[08:59] <kkathman> jpatrick no!
[08:59] <kkathman> sigh
[08:59] <nabz> lol
[09:00] <kkathman> nabz  jpatrick will talk you through then
[09:00] <nabz> lol.
[09:00] <kkathman> hes a big wig here anyway :)
[09:00] <kkathman> Im not
[09:00] <robotgeek> wiki is down, <sigh>
[09:00] <nabz> lol, hes not talking :(
[09:00] <kkathman> pm him
[09:00] <nabz> and that wiki thing is complicated lol
[09:00] <robotgeek> nabz: do you have it downloaded?
[09:01] <nabz> yeh
[09:01] <robotgeek> since i don't have the directions, it's going to be a lot tougher!
[09:01] <nabz> lol
[09:01] <hugo_> can't connect to security.ubuntu.com either
[09:01] <nabz> wiki's directions are complicated
[09:01] <nabz> lol
[09:02] <nabz> robot u trying to  install ff aswell?
[09:02] <kkathman> i forgot Im not supposed to walk people through things anymore I apologize
[09:02] <robotgeek> nabz: nope, i wanted to help you
[09:02] <robotgeek> kkathman: heh, go ahead.
[09:02] <nabz> ahh
[09:02] <kkathman> nope jpatrick can...he seems to have a better way
[09:03] <nabz> iv downloaded it. now i dunno what to do lol
[09:03] <robotgeek> kkathman: he probably did not notice your earlier conversation
[09:03] <kkathman> I PMd him
[09:04] <nabz> doo i have to untar it?
[09:04] <jpatrick> right now in a meeting
[09:05] <nabz> k
[09:05] <_martin_> Open Adept -> Search for FireFox -> Select -> Install?
[09:05] <nabz> ty
[09:07] <CarstenP> hi i try to install a .deb file under kubuntu, but i always get an errormessage, what am i doing wrong?
[09:07] <nabz> says i already got ff installed? :S
[09:08] <CarstenP> no
[09:08] <nabz> .deb files are for debian arnt they?
[09:08] <CarstenP> hmmm the error message is in german... :(
[09:08] <nabz> lol
[09:08] <CarstenP> i thought kubuntu is some sort of debian?
[09:08] <_martin_> Ubuntu/Kubuntu is based on Debian
[09:09] <nabz> ahh
[09:09] <CarstenP> i try to install the newest bittorrent version (4.4.0) i already have 4.2 installed.
[09:10] <CarstenP> he tries to overwrite bittorrent.mo in LC_MESSAGES, but he cant.
[09:10] <robotgeek> CarstenP: you need to uninstall your older package
[09:12] <nabz> i dont get how to install firefox :(
[09:13] <_martin_> Search and find it in Adept -> Press the link -> Install Package -> Commit changes
[09:13] <CarstenP> hmm i think i foobared it.
[09:13] <nabz> yeh but it says firefox is already installed
[09:13] <nabz> but its not in the kde menue
[09:13] <nabz> menu*
[09:13] <robotgeek> nabz: try alt + f2, firefox
[09:14] <nabz> could not run command
[09:14] <CarstenP> nabz: i installed firefox too, but i foobared a lot while installing it. when is start is from console i get a lot error messages. i wouldnt suggest installing FF
[09:14] <nabz> :( ff is my fav browser. lol
[09:15] <_martin_> Should be easier than a piece of pie to install it, something must have gone haywire
[09:15] <nabz> i downloaded the latest one, extracted it. its got a .sh file in it,, now i dunno what to do lol
[09:15] <CarstenP> there was a whole wiki entry on installing it.
[09:16] <_martin_> Still is
[09:16] <nabz> yeh but its complicated :(
[09:16] <_martin_> Just copy / paste into Konsole
[09:16] <CarstenP> it tried to follow everything but i made a mistake, now it is a bit broken. same story as my bittorrent now, which refuses to work :(
[09:16] <nabz> i did. get all this junk and errors
[09:16] <robotgeek> _martin_: the wiki is down
[09:16] <_martin_> Ouch
[09:16] <CarstenP> nabz: same with me.
[09:16] <_david> hello, I'm installing kubuntu right now, but ut hangs at "Testing network repository" at 50%, while it first said that bringing the network up succeded, I tried switching to the second console but it can't find the ping command, do you know what to do?
[09:17] <nabz> i thaught it would be pretty simple, jus like run the run-mozilla.sh file
[09:18] <nabz> oo, if i press firefox it starts up firefox! :D
[09:18] <CarstenP> yeah i thought that too. but it isnt that easy
[09:18] <_martin_> ^^
[09:18] <CarstenP> is it the right version?
[09:19] <nabz> but how do i propa instal it.
[09:19] <nabz> 1..5.0.1
[09:19] <CarstenP> i have 2 ff versions too
[09:19] <robotgeek> nabz: that's about it, it's installed
[09:19] <nabz> lol i didnt do anything but extract the file? lol
[09:19] <CarstenP> what can i do when adept wont start anymore?
[09:20] <_david> Isn't there some kind of way to test if the network is up in the kubuntu install?
[09:20] <nabz> i mean like firefox isnt in the kde menu, nor desktop. how could i install it there?
[09:20] <_mindspin> CarstenP: try kynaptic
[09:20] <robotgeek> nabz: did you add the dpkg-divert stuff?
[09:20] <nabz> lol no. i jus extracted the .tar file
[09:21] <CarstenP> _mindspin: kynaptic -> command not found :(
[09:21] <nabz> i just installed linux like wen i came in here so yeh.. im a newbie here. :(
[09:21] <robotgeek> nabz: just follow the directions to the end, and you'll be fine
[09:21] <_mindspin> sudo apt-get install kynaptic
[09:21] <nabz> i ran sudo apt-get install libstdc++5
[09:22] <nabz> says its already the newest version
[09:22] <nabz> i dont understand this bit: Install it to /opt/firefox:
[09:23] <_david> I cant believe this, why the fuck isn't the ping command on the install cd
[09:23] <nabz>  # extract tar into /opt (you should make sure /opt already exists)
[09:23] <nabz>  sudo tar -C /opt -x -z -v -f firefox-1.5.0.1.tar.gz
[09:23] <nabz>  # remove the package if you no longer require it
[09:23] <nabz>  rm firefox-1.5.0.1.tar.gz
[09:23] <robotgeek> _david: please mind your language
[09:23] <_martin_> Just skip the parts with #
[09:24] <nabz> but  sudo tar -C /opt -x -z -v -f firefox-1.5.0.1.tar.gz  doesnt work. hmm
[09:24] <_martin_> Are you in the same folder as the tar.gz file??
[09:24] <_david> you probalby divided it in ping-lib ping-minimum and ping-dev but forget to include the command..
[09:25] <nabz> dunno what folder im in. lol
[09:25] <nabz> im in the konsole
[09:25] <nabz> nabz@ubuntu:~$
[09:25] <CarstenP> how can i show all processes that are currently running ? ps -efa ?
[09:25] <_martin_> Where is your FF file? On the desktop?
[09:25] <nabz> home/nabz
[09:25] <_martin_> type: cd /home/nabz
[09:26] <nabz> bash: cd/home/nabz: No such file or directory
[09:26] <Ashex> is it possible to install Kubuntu to my external through VMware?
[09:26] <_martin_> Include space between cd and /home/nabz
[09:26] <nabz> ok it did nothing. lol, is that right?
[09:27] <nabz> it like wen to the next line sorta thing
[09:27] <_martin_> That's good
[09:27] <nabz> ah now sudo tar -C /opt -x -z -v -f firefox-1.5.0.1.tar.gz worked
[09:27] <_mindspin> type pwd
[09:27] <_martin_> Yup :P
[09:27] <nabz> damn i closed the instructions lol
[09:27] <_martin_> Hehe
[09:28] <nabz> got it
[09:28] <nabz> wow theres alot left to do. lol
[09:29] <robotgeek> nabz: only if you have extensions/plugins installed, so not too much
[09:29] <nabz> ah i dont have anything. lol
[09:30] <CarstenP> wow
[09:30] <CarstenP> i got bittorrent to work. it was installed under /usr/bin/bittorrent
[09:30] <CarstenP> it is even version 4.4 !!! it just looks like the kde menu item is broken
[09:32] <CarstenP> it looks like the bittorrent command is not in the path. how can i add it to the path?
[09:32] <nalioth> CarstenP: the kde menu editor doesnt work?
[09:33] <_david> CarstenP: type echo $PATH to see what dirs are in your path, /usr/bin should be in there
[09:33] <nabz> why cant i copy text from the current browser?
[09:34] <CarstenP> nalioth: yeah, but under command it says only 'bittorrent' after changing that to 'usr/bin/bittorrent' it worked again
[09:34] <_david> nabz, how do you copy?
[09:34] <nabz> rigt click copy, and ctrl+c
[09:34] <nabz> and edit+copy
[09:34] <_david> nabz, ok strange, should work, try selecting it and clicking your middle mouse butten where to paste it
[09:35] <nabz> that worked
[09:35] <nabz> ty
[09:35] <_david> CarstenP: are you sure you didn't mess with the t's and r's ? :)
[09:35] <CarstenP> _david: /usr/bin is in the path. strange.
[09:35] <jaydp> hey nabz or anybody i tried to install firefox using the same command. Its giving "unexpected eof in archive"
[09:36] <farous> CarstenP: what is strange about that?
[09:36] <CarstenP> _david: could be :) but i seem to have repaired that with my leet KDE skills :)
[09:36] <nabz> which command u up to?
[09:36] <nabz> woot firefox runs with alt+f2 :D
[09:36] <jaydp> the sudo tar -C /opt ...
[09:36] <nabz> does that mean it sinstalled?
[09:37] <nabz> are u in the same folder
[09:37] <nabz> as the .tar
[09:37] <jaydp> i`m in the folder containing my tar file
[09:37] <jaydp> yup
[09:37] <nabz> sudo apt-get install libstdc++5
[09:37] <nabz> you done that?
[09:38] <jaydp> no
[09:38] <nabz> try that first.
[09:38] <CarstenP> how can i add programs to the alt+space thingie?
[09:38] <jaydp> ok thanks
[09:38] <_spriet_> how to use a ntfs usb external harddrive?
[09:38] <_martin_> The programs linked to Katapult might require a reboot of the system to work
[09:38] <nabz> anyone know how i can get firefox in my kde menu? lol
[09:39] <CarstenP> nabz: right klick on the K-symbol
[09:39] <CarstenP> nabz: its menu editor
[09:39] <nabz> ty :)
[09:39] <CarstenP> <- leet kde skills.
[09:40] <_david> hey cool configuring apt... is now on 75% testing the security repository (after ~20 minutes), does this mean that internet is working?
[09:42] <CarstenP> can i use the ubuntu 0.9.8 wine .deb on my kubuntu?
[09:42] <nabz> whats the best client for msn messenger?
[09:43] <_martin_> Kopete imo
[09:43] <Hobbsee> CarstenP: yes, you should be able to
[09:43] <_david> since your on kde probalby kopete
[09:43] <nabz> how can i order the contacts by online / offline tho?
[09:43] <nabz> its not in the help file or nothnig :(
[09:43] <_spriet_> how can i open a NTFS partition
[09:43] <_spriet_> ?
[09:44] <robotgeek> !ntfs
[09:44] <ubotu> ntfs is probably the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[09:44] <CarstenP> Hobbsee: thanks
[09:44] <_spriet_> thank you
[09:44] <nabz> how can i order the contacts by online / offline on kopete?
[09:45] <_david> nabz, don't know, but you can tell it not to show offline contacts
[09:45] <nabz> ah how?
[09:45] <_david> let me see, 1 moment
[09:45] <nabz> found it
[09:45] <nabz> :)
[09:46] <_david> oki :)
[09:46] <nabz> ty
[09:46] <CarstenP> the wine manual tells me to use synaptic. i dont have synaptic, is synaptic a tool that i should use on kubuntu or not?
[09:46] <_david> it robotgeek a bot?
[09:46] <_martin_> Settings -> Hide offline users
[09:46] <robotgeek> nope _david
[09:46] <_mindspin> kynaptic is kubuntus synaptic
[09:46] <CarstenP> _mindspin: thanks
[09:46] <jpatrick> _mindspin: no, adept
[09:47] <_david> you aren't, int that case sorry for my language a couple minutes ago, was a bit agry.. sorry
[09:47] <_mindspin> adept is for adepts
[09:48] <nabz> on Konversaation, can u connect to more tan one server?
[09:49] <arrinmurr> yes
[09:49] <nabz> how?
[09:49] <_david> nabz: yes you can, see File->Serverlist
[09:49] <nabz> ah yeh
[09:50] <Blippe> why are xine exchanged in favor of gstreamer?
[09:52] <Parkotron> What exactly are you referring to Blippe?
[09:52] <jaydp> hey nabz is ur firefox running?
[09:52] <tafsen> Im following this guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=AddingJavaSupport , but I can't manage to find java-package with apt
[09:53] <_martin_> Think Muktiverse is down
[09:53] <_martin_> Multiverse*
[09:53] <ragna> mmm multiverse is working for me =O, only one sent me an error
[09:54] <arrinmurr> tafsen: http://seveas.theplayboymansion.net/seveas/dists/breezy-seveas/java/
[09:54] <Blippe> actually I was looking for a good descrition of xine and gstreamer, and found (on wikipedia, so the probability that it is true might be low) that gstreamer was going to be incoporated in kde4, and as far as I understand, most kdeprogs uses xine (primarily) for video...
[09:55] <Blippe> or uses xine as the preset...
[09:55] <_david> Blippe: kde4 with have phonon which is a layer on top of the audio system, so it can use both xine and gstreamer (it's up to the user) it might well be that gstreamer will be the default tho
[09:57] <Parkotron> Kaffeine uses gstreamer by default at the moment.
[09:57] <Parkotron> Personally, I prefer Xine because it lets you skip past all the warnings a the beginning of DVDs.
[09:59] <Blippe> so phonon is a soundserver?
[09:59] <Blippe> mediaserver?
[09:59] <Blippe> scratch that, i will google it
[09:59] <_david> Blippe: phonon will be a layer between all kde apps that use sound or media and for instance gstreamer, xine, etc
[10:00] <CarstenP> _david: does that mean that i can use kaffeine and xmms at the same time and have both playing sound?
[10:00] <_david> CarstenP: yeah, although that is currently also possible (I dont' know if it defaults to that) that will cerainly be true
[10:01] <nabz> whats the best ftp program?
[10:01] <_david> nabz, I think konqueror, just type a ftp link in it
[10:02] <nabz> mmm
[10:02] <_david> konqueror = the default file manager web browser of kde.. :)
[10:02] <nabz> want somthing like flash fxp on windowx
[10:02] <CarstenP> _david: perhaps my kubuntu is bugged, i can currently only have one application that is doing sound, even if i enabla the kde sound system i only have system sounds,but no sounds on scummvm for example. when will the new kubuntu version come out?
[10:02] <_david> sorry, I don't know that program
[10:03] <arrinmurr> nabz: filezilla
[10:03] <_david> CarstenP: in april but that will not have phonon yet, since it only in the early fases of development
[10:03] <nabz> is that a propa ftp client?
[10:03] <_david> phonon is for kde4 which will be released in 2007
[10:03] <CarstenP> oh . 2007 . that is like. a really long time
[10:04] <arrinmurr> nabz: http://filezilla-project.org/nightly.php
[10:04] <_david> CarstenP: your problem should be solvable but I don't have enough kubuntu knoledge to help you with it
[10:04] <_mindspin> carsten it could depend wether you use alsa or oss or jack or whatever soundserver
[10:05] <Blippe> i thought about creating a mediaplayer to get an understanding for the mediastructure under the hood on my system, and with all that free time i have, my plan is to be finished around 2012...
[10:06] <_david> hehe :)
[10:06] <_adam> I am having trouble playing mp3s on kubuntu. I am missing something.
[10:06] <_adam> Any help?
[10:06] <jpatrick> 'gstreamer0.8-mad'
[10:06] <_david> adam you should read the faq on kubuntu.org
[10:06] <Parkotron> Firstly, what are you trying to play them in?
[10:06] <_david> !mp3
[10:06] <ubotu> I heard mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:06] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.13 Stopped
[10:07] <andreas_4> what's a good program to tag and rename mp3's/ogg's under linux? Preferably with support for CDDB
[10:07] <_adam> Thanks. I am looking into it.
[10:07] <NRG88> hi, how can i run dos programs (like turbo pascal) with dosemu?
[10:07] <_david> andreas_4: cant amarok do that?
[10:07] <arrinmurr> andreas_4: kid3 or easytag
[10:07] <andreas_4> it -can-, and so can xmms
[10:07] <andreas_4> but it's cumbersome
[10:07] <andreas_4> thanks arrinmurr
[10:07] <andreas_4> I'll try those out
[10:08] <robotgeek> !info dosbox
[10:08] <ubotu> dosbox: (A x86 emulator with Tandy/Herc/CGA/EGA/VGA graphics, sound and DOS), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.63-2 (breezy), Packaged size: 368 kB, Installed size: 1000 kB
[10:08] <ragna> anyone knows hot to fix the one sound per time??
[10:08] <ragna> hot = how*
[10:11] <CarstenP> _mindspin is there a good websites that explains how to use the right soundserver and configure the applications to use that soundserver?
[10:11] <NRG88> thanks robotgeek, i'll try it out
[10:11] <_mindspin> i 've read an article some weeks ago but it was in a paper magazine
[10:12] <_mindspin> lemme think
[10:12] <_mindspin> CarstenP: are you german?
[10:13] <CarstenP> _mindspin: Ja? :)
[10:13] <_mindspin> then try www.linux-magazin.de
[10:13] <_mindspin> thats where I've read that article
[10:14] <_mindspin> or try the german kubutu sites, I think they have something for that
[10:14] <_mindspin> even a good sources.list for media
[10:14] <_mindspin> codecs and such
[10:15] <_mindspin> or try #kubuntu-de
[10:15] <NRG88> robotgeek? how can i use the mouse in my GUI while using dosbox to?
[10:16] <NRG88> when i run a program
[10:16] <robotgeek> NRG88: no clue, never used it.
[10:16] <NRG88> the mouse is stuck there
[10:17] <_mindspin> I stumbled over some information on sound by googling kaffeine breezy and found a lot though not kaffeine, but multimedia/sound related
[10:18] <CarstenP> _mindspin: this issue http://www.linux-magazin.de/Artikel/ausgabe/2005/09 ?
[10:19] <_mindspin> yep
[10:20] <_mindspin> maybe the online article about kjack helps you
[10:21] <_mindspin> but i would suggest first to get you new sources wanna have my sources.list?
[10:21] <_mindspin> my sound works fine
[10:21] <_mindspin> even when i run xmms and kaffeine parallel
[10:22] <_mindspin> i can watch wma, mpg
[10:23] <Parkotron> I've got an unusual Kaffeine problem. The Kaffeine Xine engine does not appear in the list of possible engines, even though its installed. Xine's own ui works fine, so I know it's not a problem with the Xine backend. I've "--purge remove"ed all the Kaffeine packages and reinstalled them, and still no Xine engine is shown. Any ideas?
[10:23] <lkm> hi, i have some troubles with building local repository to upgrade mu breezy kubuntu
[10:24] <lkm> somebody knows what means that Ign file: ./ Packages ?
[10:24] <CarstenP> _mindspin: i updated my sources.list (i think) currently i am getting wine 0.9.8 it takes forever, and often kynaptic simply stops dling it.
[10:24] <lkm> alter build cache repository with dpkg-scanpackages
[10:24] <_mindspin> have a look here http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/558386
[10:25] <CarstenP> _mindspin:  i will try to read the free article first, and perhaps backorder the magazin, its only 7 euros (including ship.) so it is ok i guess
[10:25] <_mindspin> put it into your sorces.list and do a sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:25] <_mindspin> have a try with my sources
[10:26] <CarstenP> wine is at 74%, i dont want to disrupt it now :)
[10:27] <_mindspin> ic you are downloading
[10:27] <_mindspin> save the posted list to sources.mindspin.list and try later
[10:27] <CarstenP> from wine.sourceforge.net , i guess it is so slow bcs its new and all shiny
[10:28] <ragna> !ati
[10:28] <ubotu> hmm... ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[10:28] <_mindspin> they have a kinda dos causeppl want the neww wine
[10:33] <jpierru> hi, i installed kubuntu in mode server (the normal mode was too large for my laptop) and i'm wondering how to add KDE and its dependencies?
[10:33] <jpierru> first time user
[10:34] <robotgeek> jpierru: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[10:34] <jpierru> thanks
[10:34] <jpierru> lol
[10:36] <jpierru> on its way, thanks a lot robotgeek
[10:36] <robotgeek> jpierru: cool, enjoy!
[10:36] <CarstenP> how can i check if aRTs is running?
[10:37] <jpatrick> artsd should be running
[10:37] <robotgeek> CarstenP: ps -ef | grep artsd
[10:39] <ragna> jpatrick: do you know how to fix the "device is busy" error?
[10:39] <CarstenP> robotgeek: seems that it does not run. but thanks for you help
[10:39] <ragna> jpatrick: i mean permanet fix, cause i am tired of closing artsd every time  i log in
[10:39] <jpatrick> no
[10:44] <CarstenP> wow. i just typed artsd, now i can play xmms and kaffeine at the same time
[10:44] <CarstenP> its. impressive, why isnt artsd not always automatically started at startup?
[10:49] <andreas_3> artsd is old and on the way out
[10:49] <andreas_3> not maintained either, I've heard
[10:50] <andreas_3> I think dmix or something along those lines will take over for it
[10:53] <Blippe> CarstenP, I think it does, if you go system settings - sound system and check "Enable the sound system", at least, that is what i think that checkbox does
[11:00] <erhan_R> hi
[11:03] <robotgeek> hi erhan_R
[11:09] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, did anyone catch how to set the Xft DPI to 96dpi? :)
[11:09] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: i think we wait for Tonio?
[11:09] <Psi-Jack> I wanna do it to my own system. :p
[11:10] <supertijano> Did you copy it jet jack?
[11:10] <supertijano> yet I mean
[11:11] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: yup, i need to try it also
[11:11] <Psi-Jack> Xft.dpi:96
[11:11] <Psi-Jack> That's all I got..
[11:11] <robotgeek> Hobbsee|away: me here, so no issues
[11:11] <Hobbsee|away> :)
[11:11] <luisito> hello
[11:11] <supertijano> Weren't you the one who wanted to copy Kubuntu on your hd?
[11:12] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: Oh, yeah. I did it successfully.
[11:12] <luisito> how do I make the trash icon available in the
[11:12] <luisito> Desktop?
[11:12] <supertijano> Awesome
[11:12] <Psi-Jack> I only had the last detailed issue of copying the raw /dev to the new HDD. I had to use a Gentoo livecd to do it. :)
[11:13] <snoozix> luisito: i only have it in my taskbar/panel :)
[11:13] <Psi-Jack> That and re-ininstall the new Grub on the hdd, while it was back in it's Primary Master ide position.
[11:13] <supertijano> Geez. Sounds like a lot of mental strain. Haha
[11:14] <luisito> snoozix: yep, but I like the icon in the desktop
[11:14] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: That... Was easy. it was most annoying that Kubuntu's install CD actually does not have any form of real "rescue" mode, however.
[11:14] <supertijano> How'd you reinstall grub?
[11:15] <snoozix> luisito: i would like that too, if you found out how one could do it, tell me :)
[11:15] <Hobbsee|away> !grub
[11:15] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[11:15] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: chrooted into the Kubuntu system, just like grub's install docs say to do. :)
[11:15] <luisito> snoozix: I'll find the way
[11:15] <Psi-Jack> snoozix, luisito: Give me a moment..
[11:16] <supertijano> I've never read those
[11:16] <Psi-Jack> Holy..
[11:16] <Psi-Jack> My kdesktop just bombed out.. And re-loaded..
[11:16] <supertijano> Didn't someone have that problem yesterday?
[11:17] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, here it is, the trash.desktop file.
[11:18] <supertijano> Hi Hysty
[11:19] <Psi-Jack> Okay.
[11:19] <Psi-Jack> A quick and easy way to put the Trashcan on the Desktop:
[11:19] <luisito> Psi-Jack: the trash.desktop is shown in folder view in the Desktop dir but in the Desktop it isn't
[11:19] <Psi-Jack> Right click the desktop, and Create New->Link URL
[11:20] <Psi-Jack> For the filename: Call is trash or Trash, or whatever. The link is trash:/
[11:21] <_john> newbie question: how do I open a dos file from a dos formated floppy into my ubuntu office program? when I access the floppy drive from storage media I get an error message saying "Could not mount device etc.."
[11:21] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm
[11:21] <Hysty> morning all
[11:21] <supertijano> How was the math test? ;)
[11:21] <Hysty> havent done it yet
[11:21] <Hysty> this afternoon hopefully
[11:22] <supertijano> Oh I though it was today. Good luck then.
[11:22] <Psi-Jack> Okay..
[11:22] <Psi-Jack> That's not working for some reason. :/
[11:22] <supertijano> What's not working?
[11:23] <Psi-Jack> putting the trashcan on the desktop.
[11:23] <Blippe> is there a "apt-get search (package)"-like function?
[11:23] <hollywoodb> is kdevelop going to be fixed for KDE 3.5.1 in breezy or do we wait for dapper?
[11:23] <supertijano> Oh really? Let me try
[11:23] <hollywoodb> Blippe: apt-cache search
[11:23] <Psi-Jack> Okay.
[11:23] <luisito> Psi-Jack: I found the way thanks to pinotree of #KDE
[11:23] <Psi-Jack> if you DELETE the ~/Desktop/trash.desktop, and re-create the link manually, it works.
[11:24] <supertijano> Works fine for me.
[11:24] <Psi-Jack> luisito: Can you reiterate it?
[11:24] <luisito> Psi-Jack: you have to open the trash.desktop with kate
[11:24] <Psi-Jack> luisito: Yes?
[11:25] <luisito> then you'll see the line Hidden=true and change it to false. Save and Done!!!
[11:25] <Blippe> hollywoodb, thanks!
[11:25] <Psi-Jack> luisito: There is no Hidden=true in mine, though..
[11:26] <Psi-Jack> That's why I didn't get why it wasn't working hehe
[11:26] <Psi-Jack> In fact.
[11:26] <Psi-Jack> I literally just moved the trash.desktop out of the dir, and into the Desktop dir, and it popped up. :)
[11:26] <luisito> open your home folder
[11:27] <Psi-Jack> luisito: Keep in mind. I am not a newbie. ;)
[11:27] <luisito> Psi-Jack: I know, but go to your desktop folder using konqueror
[11:28] <luisito> Psi-Jack: and open that trash.desktop with kate
[11:28] <Psi-Jack> luisito: Like I said. I moved the trash.desktop file out of Desktop into ~, moved it back from ~ to Desktop, and it appeared on the Desktop.
[11:28] <luisito> Psi-Jack: oh, ok then :)
[11:28] <Psi-Jack> LOL
[11:28] <Psi-Jack> Why do you think I said I wasn't a newbie? :} That was one reason.
[11:29] <luisito> jejej
[11:31] <Psi-Jack> !Seveas
[11:31] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:33] <Hysty> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20060216/tc_nf/41648;_ylt=ArZqou.TcLCli5LNdkTpPIgjtBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--
[11:33] <nabz> hey, whats a good ftp client which is similar to flashfxp
[11:33] <Hysty> yay for linux
[11:34] <Psi-Jack> nabz: Ever tried to use konqueror's built-in FTP client? :p
[11:34] <supertijano> Psi-Jack what are those packages?
[11:34] <nabz> nope. lol, is it   fast?
[11:34] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: I'm fixing up Seveas' skype-dsp-hijacker. :)
[11:35] <Psi-Jack> nabz: Why don't you try it and see.
[11:35] <supertijano> I mean, what are the packages? It just says here's some packages..
[11:36] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: Go to http://mirror.ubuntulinux.nl/ and go down the page a bit, and you can browse each section.
[11:36] <nabz> do i type in the adress bar ftp://blahblah:pass@site.com
[11:36] <nabz> ?
[11:36] <supertijano> Alright. Will do
[11:36] <Psi-Jack> nabz: Yeah, pretty much.
[11:37] <nabz> mmm, isnt there nothing more secure? lol, and somthing which saves passes etc
[11:37] <nabz> like flashfxp on windowx. lol
[11:37] <sonic> Hi there! Anybody know how I can figure out what type of sound card is in my system?
[11:37] <Psi-Jack> nabz: Konqueror can use kwallet to securely save passwords in an encrypted state.
[11:38] <nabz> ahh
[11:38] <Psi-Jack> sonic: lspci
[11:38] <sonic> do I have to apt-get that or is it there by default?
[11:38] <Psi-Jack> sonic: Why don't you try and see for yourself?
[11:39] <nabz> ty psi-jack :)
[11:39] <Hysty> use a pen, it saves password to a piece of paper easily
[11:39] <Psi-Jack> Hysty: Is that that... Messy paper and ink stuff? Ewwwwwww
[11:39] <Hysty> hey this konquerer ftp client is pretty cool
[11:39] <Psi-Jack> Nasty stuff. :)
[11:39] <Psi-Jack> heh
[11:39] <Hysty> Psi-Jack, yer, so much for my paperless office
[11:39] <Psi-Jack> Konqueror has lots of kioslaves. :)
[11:40] <nabz> man is there anyway to make this kde task bar smaller?
[11:40] <Hysty> you know I read about a survey a little while back that since the introduction of email, commercial office paper use has increased 70%
[11:40] <sonic> Psi-jack: Just wondered if it comes as standard on all distros. Thanks very much for the info, I have it!
[11:40] <Psi-Jack> nabz: Define Smaller.
[11:40] <jindiaz> hey can anyone out there help me with a automatix installation?
[11:40] <robotgeek> !automatix
[11:40] <Hysty> nabz, right click on it and select configure
[11:40] <ubotu> automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'ynYn'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[11:40] <Psi-Jack> sonic: No, it does not come standard on all distros.
[11:41] <sonic> Psi-jack: Cheers!
[11:41] <jindiaz> frick.  well are there any [ackages that just install to make linux work?
[11:42] <Psi-Jack> jindiaz: Umm. Say what?
[11:42] <jindiaz> work in the mutimeida,and downloading sense
[11:42] <robotgeek> jindiaz, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:42] <_john> Hey guys, how do I open a dos file from a dos formated floppy into my ubuntu office program?
[11:42] <jindiaz> yah yah, ive been there
[11:42] <Psi-Jack> _john: Define "dos file."
[11:42] <Hysty> jindiaz, your best bet is to look at the automatix documentation on the forums where it explains each install step, then manually run the install for the individual files you need
[11:43] <jindiaz> i just want an easy to install installer that installs all codecs and everything for all multimedia, and yah dc
[11:43] <jindiaz> well the thing is im trying that
[11:43] <jindiaz> but i dont knoe how to get this thing itts asking for
[11:43] <Psi-Jack> jindiaz: adept is not easy enough for you? ;}
[11:43] <jindiaz> lol, ironically no
[11:43] <jindiaz> i think mine is messed or something
[11:43] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm..
[11:43] <jindiaz> follow the tutorials and all that and sometimes the stuff isnt there
[11:44] <jindiaz> so ive given up on it
[11:44] <Blippe> !vpn
[11:44] <ubotu> Blippe: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:44] <Hysty> the automatix script pulls heaps of stuff from unofficial repositories so there is no telling what is being installed
[11:44] <_john> Sorry I saved a Rich text file to a dos formated floppy and I cannot open it in my ubuntu Office pogram I get a could not moutn device error message
[11:44] <Rat>  After installing ubuntu/kubuntu it keeps on coming with this colored screen when starting up XServer. Have any of you guys ran into this problem? This is after a clean installing of ubuntu/kubuntu amd 64 bit version
[11:45] <jindiaz> yahhhhhhhhhhh i knoe, but ill figure that out later, i dont really care ryght now, i just want my music, movoies, everything to work.  then ill figure that stuff out when i have time
[11:45] <jindiaz> honestly i love linux, but to be a powerful poc, this is a NECESSARY step
[11:46] <jindiaz> or i mean, a truely viable alternative to windows
[11:46] <Psi-Jack> I'm actually researching ideas to help make things a little easier to find, codec-wise, at least.
[11:46] <jindiaz> seriously, the codecs thing is a must do
[11:46] <jindiaz> honestly as it is, linux is so easy to converty to and use as an alternative.
[11:46] <Psi-Jack> If all deb packages have a "keyword" searchable identifier, making all "codec" related packages have a codec keyword, would in fact, make it quite easy to install codecs by. :)
[11:47] <jindiaz> but the functionality is something to be deisred
[11:47] <jindiaz> yah true
[11:47] <jindiaz> but its not just that, like formats, is a KEY issue
[11:47] <jindiaz> generally ppl dont care about any of the free or non free format, they just want it to work
[11:47] <nabz> hey, just installed bittorrent with adept. how do i go about running it?
[11:48] <Hysty> jindiaz, http://easylinux.info/wiki/Ubuntu check this out, dont know if it differs from KDE but I use it heaps
[11:48] <jindiaz> so once a site goes up outlining how to do this, in DETAIl, and problem free, ppl will have nmo troubles converting
[11:49] <Psi-Jack> jindiaz: There are licensing issues. That has to be considered in making a package available.
[11:49] <NabZ> hey, just installed bittornado with adept. how do i go about running it?
[11:49] <Blippe> bittornado-gui
[11:50] <Hysty> jindiaz, the corporate world still has its grip on some stuff
[11:50] <jindiaz> yah there are...  but the only ppl who care abt those are the ppl issueing them.  and a few other anti sharing and all ppl, but i would have to dsay, on the whole, normal computer users which make up a HUGE segment of the market, could care less
[11:50] <NabZ> could not run command
[11:51] <jindiaz> just make it easy to find on google, and your golden
[11:51] <g4nja> btdownloadgui
[11:51] <g4nja> is the cmd
[11:51] <NabZ> could not run command
[11:51] <NabZ> :(
[11:51] <g4nja> wth
[11:51] <jindiaz> like honestly, do you think anyone who downloads thinks twice about the license?
[11:52] <NabZ> whats  better/faster bit torrent or   bit tornado
[11:52] <jindiaz> helllllssssssssssssss no
[11:52] <jindiaz> anyways, aside from that rant, i ahve a question, where should i be installing things to in linux?
[11:53] <jindiaz> like the best place for app installation and whut not
[11:53] <robotgeek> jindiaz: that does not matter, ubuntu has to abide by those rules
[11:53] <NabZ> anyone no how i can run bittorande :(
[11:53] <g4nja> bt<tab>
[11:53] <NabZ> ?
[11:54] <Blippe> run btdownloadgui.bittornado in konsole
[11:55] <jindiaz> umm whut abut kde dostro?
[11:55] <NabZ> bash: btdownloadgui.bittornado: command not found
[11:55] <jindiaz> im on Kubuntu
[11:55] <Blippe> try just btdownloadgui or bt and then hit (tab)
[11:55] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[11:56] <NabZ> ty  :)
[11:56] <Psi-Jack> Even a simple Wiki, for now, on how to install all the necessary codecs is actually even a good thing to have.
[11:56] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:56] <NabZ> it said some stuff. lol
[11:56] <Psi-Jack> Oh yeah! There just so happends to be one. :)
[11:57] <Hysty> ch-ching
[11:57] <NabZ> bittornado-gui or bittornado  stil ldosent run :(
[11:58] <robotgeek> NabZ: sudo apt-get install bittornado
[11:58] <Blippe> when you type bt and then hit (tab) twice does it say anything?
[11:58] <NabZ> bittornado is already the newest version.
[11:59] <NabZ> btcompletedir                  btmakemetafile
[11:59] <NabZ> btcompletedir.bittornado       btmakemetafile.bittornado
[11:59] <NabZ> btcopyannounce                 btreannounce
[11:59] <NabZ> btdownloadcurses               btreannounce.bittornado
[11:59] <NabZ> btdownloadcurses.bittornado    btrename
[11:59] <NabZ> btdownloadheadless             btrename.bittornado
[11:59] <NabZ> btdownloadheadless.bittornado  btsethttpseeds
[11:59] <NabZ> btlaunchmany                   btshowmetainfo
[11:59] <NabZ> btlaunchmany.bittornado        btshowmetainfo.bittornado
[11:59] <NabZ> btlaunchmanycurses             bttrack
[11:59] <NabZ> btlaunchmanycurses.bittornado  bttrack.bittornado
[12:00] <dereks> NabZ: pastebin.com
[12:00] <NabZ> ?
[12:01] <Blippe> NabZ you need bittornado-gui too, do sudo apt-get bittornado-gui
[12:01] <jindiaz> hey ummm, im following these instructions, http://easylinux.info/wiki/Ubuntu#How_to_install_File_share_utility_.28DC.2B.2B.29, and at the part where it says,sudo gedit /usr/share/applications/dcpp.desktop, but in the terminal it says sudo: gedit: command not found, any advise?  does this command not work on a KDE distro???
[12:02] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: I'm already pissed off at that Wiki. Blackdown Java. :-(
[12:02] <NabZ> E: Invalid operation bittornado-gui
[12:02] <robotgeek> jindiaz: use kate instead of gedit, and kdesu instead of sudo
[12:02] <ubijtsa2> sudo apt-get install bittornado-gui
[12:02] <jindiaz> oooo ok, let me try that
[12:02] <NabZ> ty, it instaled
[12:02] <robotgeek> NabZ: if you are new, you might prefer using adept
[12:03] <Blippe> :D, that does it, i'm defenitely off to bed!