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| LaserJock | hi theCore | 05:57 |
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| theCore | hello LaserJock! :D | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | I did some rearranging of the pg today | 05:59 |
| === theCore check is repo check | ||
| theCore | oh, two new files! basic.xml and ubuntu.xml, I wonder are they ... ;) | 06:01 |
| LaserJock | well, I moved scenarios.xml to basic.xml and I moved the ubuntu specific stuff to ubuntu.xml | 06:02 |
| theCore | cool, I like how you arranged the basic.xml file | 06:03 |
| LaserJock | Packaging Scenarios just wasn't very descriptive to me. | 06:03 |
| LaserJock | I also moved the "Building with CDBS" section to advanced. I don't think we will have time to make a full section like for debhelper | 06:04 |
| theCore | (lol, yelp froze when I go in a fullscreen <screen> tag) | 06:05 |
| theCore | maybe I should report as a bug ... | 06:06 |
| theCore | report it* | 06:06 |
| theCore | anyway ... I been cutting in half the size of the `make' description | 06:07 |
| LaserJock | theCore: I didn't touch getting started so my changes shouldn't effect your work | 06:09 |
| theCore | yah, I saw that | 06:10 |
| Kyral | You could just link to the WebDocs for CDBS | 06:11 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: I think that is pretty much what we're going to do. For dapper+1 I'd like to make a heloo-cdbs package | 06:12 |
| LaserJock | hello-cdbs that is | 06:13 |
| theCore | LaserJock, I think we should make a quick-and-dirty draft as fast as we can | 06:16 |
| theCore | LaserJock, it would make the writing easier after | 06:17 |
| Kyral | I'll make a contribution tomorrow | 06:17 |
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| LaserJock | theCore: I agree. I've been busy with MOTU stuff lately (and work) but I"m presently working on the Pbuilder section. | 06:18 |
| Kyral | Good Night guys | 06:19 |
| Kyral | Tomorrow I start my work for the DocTeam | 06:19 |
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| theCore | I will stop working on the Basic section, (I fear premature optimization) and try to work on a more important one | 06:20 |
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| LaserJock | cya Kyral | 06:23 |
| theCore | LaserJock, I think will move everything of the Basic Skill to a Suggested Reading section | 06:49 |
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| LaserJock | theCore: ok, that might be best. But try to include a little summary or description along with the link | 06:52 |
| theCore | yep, that exactly what I was thinking | 06:53 |
| LaserJock | theCore: I think that would be great, finish it up and send me a patch when your done ;-) | 06:53 |
| theCore | sure | 06:53 |
| theCore | ok, I need some sleep | 07:02 |
| theCore | cya later | 07:02 |
| jsgotangco | what the hell | 07:03 |
| jsgotangco | i got this from the doc list | 07:03 |
| jsgotangco | sent to the group | 07:03 |
| jsgotangco | Dear Sir / Madam . | 07:03 |
| jsgotangco | I am writing this in total disgust about the way things are done as far | 07:03 |
| jsgotangco | a help is concerned. By offering help to people, I would think that it | 07:03 |
| jsgotangco | would be done in a professional manner. But alas , this is not really | 07:03 |
| jsgotangco | the case now is it. I have read input from other users state what they | 07:03 |
| jsgotangco | think of the likes of Microsoft etc etc. But in all fairness, Ubuntu is | 07:03 |
| jsgotangco | just the same, there is no difference in ether party. You both want a | 07:03 |
| jsgotangco | big slice of the software market, and do not care about who you walk | 07:03 |
| jsgotangco | over, get my drift. | 07:03 |
| jsgotangco | You see the only thing that stands in the way of progress is silly | 07:04 |
| jsgotangco | people who think that they are the only ones on this planet. Which | 07:04 |
| jsgotangco | accounts for 95% of this planet. It's a real shame, because there is | 07:04 |
| jsgotangco | more to life than stupid bravado and a lack of decent intelligence. | 07:04 |
| jsgotangco | I for one will gladly send you back your software and you can stick it. | 07:04 |
| jsgotangco | Now go away and leave me alone. | 07:04 |
| jsgotangco | wonder who this email is addressed to | 07:04 |
| Madpilot | What? I don't think I got that - was it sent to ubuntu-doc? | 07:04 |
| jsgotangco | yes but it was a non-member so it got held | 07:04 |
| jsgotangco | i was about to approve mpt's email when i saw it | 07:05 |
| Madpilot | send it on, just for a laugh :P | 07:05 |
| jsgotangco | you sure? | 07:06 |
| jsgotangco | looks like spam | 07:06 |
| jsgotangco | well no | 07:06 |
| Madpilot | looks like nonsense, TBH... | 07:06 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 07:07 |
| jsgotangco | rejecting | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | The don't discuss at all what makes them feel they way the do | 07:07 |
| Madpilot | LaserJock: trolls aren't into motivation, they just troll | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | true, I wonder about senseless trolls. surely there must be some sign of intelligence | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | I'm off to bed. good night guys | 07:12 |
| Madpilot | later | 07:12 |
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| Madpilot | what's the syntax for wildcards on the wiki? DocumentationTeam/* doesn't seem to be working to subscribe to everything under "DocumentationTeam"... | 08:10 |
| dsas | I think it's .* | 08:22 |
| Madpilot | thanks, will try that | 08:22 |
| dsas | . means match any character and * means match . any number of times. | 08:23 |
| Madpilot | ah - I really should learn basic regex at some point :P | 08:24 |
| dsas | I know bits...can't decipher some of the ones you see though. | 08:25 |
| dsas | I can't seem to update my UserPreferences actually, keep getting "passwords don't match" | 08:27 |
| Madpilot | can you edit the wiki & stuff? | 08:28 |
| jsgotangco | dsas, that's a known bug | 08:28 |
| jsgotangco | its already in malone | 08:28 |
| jsgotangco | i think spiv is the one who will fix it | 08:29 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco: do me a small favour? Edit one of the sub-pages off DocumentationTeam (/MeetingAgenda or something) - I'd like to check if the wildcard subs work... | 08:29 |
| Madpilot | DocumentationTeam/.* and the like | 08:29 |
| jsgotangco | hold on | 08:29 |
| jsgotangco | err how do you like a subpage from a mainpage? | 08:31 |
| jsgotangco | like i want to list foobar but its a subpage of Foo | 08:31 |
| Madpilot | for a link? I think you have to put the whole thing in - [:Foo/foobar:text to give a useful link] | 08:33 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 08:33 |
| jsgotangco | Status of sending notification mails: | 08:34 |
| jsgotangco | [en] DanielHolbach2, DanielRobitaille, GrantGalbraith, Dsas, MatthewEast, AndrewMitchell, Madpilot: Mail sent OK | 08:34 |
| Madpilot | excellent, it works - thanks | 08:35 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 08:36 |
| jsgotangco | rob seems so confrontational on the xp thread in sounder.. | 08:37 |
| jsgotangco | not good | 08:37 |
| Madpilot | the "MS marketing swill" post? | 08:37 |
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| jsgotangco | yes something like that | 08:38 |
| jsgotangco | and the BSOD thing | 08:38 |
| dsas | "user preferences saved" | 08:39 |
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| Madpilot | it's an OS holy war - you can't expect entirely rational behaviour <j/k> | 08:39 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 08:39 |
| jsgotangco | but i'll just keep my mouth shut if a flame war is starting | 08:39 |
| jsgotangco | because some people have personalities that won't bow down to an opinion no matter what | 08:39 |
| Madpilot | dsas: so the wiki is co-operating with you now? | 08:39 |
| dsas | it seems so | 08:40 |
| Madpilot | Aren't computers fun? | 08:40 |
| dsas | no idea what's changed, but it's working. | 08:40 |
| dsas | oh, it seems if I don't put any password in then they match but it takes ages to reload the page, but if I do put my LP password in they don't match and it doesn't work. | 08:41 |
| dsas | anyway, I must get going to work if I want to get a parking space. t'ra. | 08:43 |
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| mdke | morning | 09:04 |
| Madpilot | hi mdke | 09:05 |
| mdke | Madpilot, so what do you think about this <procedure> thing? you think we should use it? | 09:06 |
| mdke | i'm not brilliantly keen | 09:07 |
| Madpilot | haven't tried it yet to see what it looks like, actually. | 09:07 |
| Madpilot | I'll have a look at it tomorrow night | 09:07 |
| jsgotangco | we'll probably get burned aesthetically, but its syntatically correct | 09:07 |
| mdke | well, if it doesn't improve the look, I really don't think we should do it | 09:08 |
| mdke | it will be a pain to convert the entire guide | 09:08 |
| === mdke still prefers bullet points over numbers | ||
| Madpilot | mdke: so do I, unless the number of points is over 3 or so, then numbers make more sense... | 09:09 |
| mdke | they make sense, but look bad IMO | 09:09 |
| mdke | because they clash with the numbers in each section heading | 09:09 |
| Madpilot | true - with those long section headings, there's probably enough numbers floating around already - but numbered lists can be easier to follow than long bulletted lists | 09:10 |
| mdke | i guess that's true | 09:10 |
| mdke | we ought to be consistent | 09:11 |
| mdke | but if we're gonna use numbers, I'd rather use orderedlist, because we can use find/replace for that, whereas procedure would require serious time spent on rewriting | 09:11 |
| mdke | and i'd rather that time was spent on improving the guide, tbh | 09:11 |
| mdke | btw jsgotangco, i'll commit the edubuntu thing today, I didn't get to my computer yesterday, sorry again | 09:12 |
| jsgotangco | k | 09:12 |
| mdke | ->work | 09:21 |
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| mdke | jsgotangco, ok the edubuntu stuff is on the website, have a look | 10:13 |
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| jsgotangco | i see it now! | 10:14 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 10:14 |
| jsgotangco | release notes is a dud | 10:14 |
| jsgotangco | 404 | 10:14 |
| mdke | ah, thanks | 10:15 |
| mdke | fixed | 10:16 |
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| jsgotangco | thanks | 10:37 |
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| jsgotangco | are we really sticking to gnome x-chat? | 11:07 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | i just had to install libxine-exracodecs before totem would play sound with my mpgs. did i just miss something in the doc, or is it not mentioned? | 04:40 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | just a tic , I'll grep | 04:40 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hm. it's not there. | 04:43 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | anyone else need the file for audio? running dapper. | 04:44 |
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| jsgotangco | hmm it seems rob and jjesse are starting a flamewar on windows | 05:34 |
| robotgeek | where jsgotangco ? | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | sounder | 05:34 |
| === robotgeek just checked sounder | ||
| robotgeek | ah, since it did'nt have "flamewar" in the subject, i probably missed it :) | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | its that xp thread | 05:36 |
| robotgeek | yeah, foun it :) | 05:36 |
| jsgotangco | good night | 05:51 |
| robotgeek | night | 05:52 |
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| LaserJock | hi robotgeek | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | hi theCore | 07:01 |
| robotgeek | hey LaserJock , howdy | 07:01 |
| theCore | hello LaserJock | 07:01 |
| theCore | LaserJock, I found a elegant way, how to integrate both a quick-howto and references about the tools | 07:03 |
| LaserJock | theCore: yeah? | 07:03 |
| theCore | It was somehow painful for me to trash 200 lines of text, so decided to recycle them | 07:04 |
| theCore | I striped them up and added them with the tools descriptions | 07:05 |
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| theCore | LaserJock, do you know good ref. about ./configure ? | 07:09 |
| theCore | hmm, maybe my solution isn't that elegant ... :/ | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | theCore: not really, you might check out man pages even if there isn't anything grea on the web | 07:11 |
| theCore | I forgot about dependencies | 07:11 |
| jjesse | mdke: ping? | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: is there a reason why the fdl and ccbysa licenses are in kubuntu/libs/ ? | 07:13 |
| jjesse | not that i am aware of | 07:14 |
| jjesse | those are the ones that the kubuntu files use? | 07:14 |
| theCore | lol, "The Ubuntu Packaging Guide is based on the original work of: Alexandre Vassalotti", cool that's me! | 07:15 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: i think ridell put them there for removing xincludes, let me look up my logs | 07:15 |
| theCore | LaserJock, is it you that added this ? | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | theCore: I think so | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | theCore: you've worked on it | 07:15 |
| theCore | LaserJock, yeah, but it's written like I was more important that you | 07:16 |
| theCore | s/that/than/ | 07:17 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: 17:27 < Riddell> robotgeek: I converted it to non-xincludes | 07:17 |
| theCore | LaserJock, I modified the OMF file a little bit | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | theCore: fine | 07:17 |
| robotgeek | 15:58 < Riddell> I'm not talking about content just now, but about changing from xincludes to old fashioned stuff that meinproc can understand | 07:18 |
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| spz2 | hi- | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | so it is to work with KDE better? | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | hi spz2 | 07:19 |
| spz2 | ive been in and out of the irc channels tryin to get my install to work | 07:19 |
| spz2 | not working | 07:19 |
| theCore | there is something that bother me a little bit, though. | 07:19 |
| robotgeek | spz2: this is not a support channel, please ask in #ubuntu | 07:19 |
| spz2 | ah ok | 07:19 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: so that the reason they are there, though i don't quite understand them :) | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | ok, I just wondered | 07:21 |
| theCore | in the omf file, should I put myself as creator, maintainer, or contributor ? | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | contributor I think | 07:22 |
| theCore | ok, that what I did | 07:22 |
| theCore | Why the licence is GPL ? not FDL ? | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | because all the Debian docs are GPL and the Ubuntu Developer's Resource will be GPL as well | 07:24 |
| theCore | oh, ok | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | if we want to be able to share material amongst them the licenses need to be compatible | 07:24 |
| theCore | ok I send you the diff of the OMG file | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | great | 07:25 |
| theCore | actually I will send the whole file | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | fine | 07:25 |
| theCore | does the Wiki is down again ? | 07:36 |
| robotgeek | i think so, not able to access myself | 07:37 |
| bur[n] er | anyone have xserver-xgl and compiz kickin? | 07:40 |
| === bur[n] er isn't sure how to enable compiz after apt-getting | ||
| === bur[n] er realizes this is off-topic :\ | ||
| theCore | ok it is up again | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | bur[n] er: there is an ubuntu-devel-announce email todaqy about that | 07:43 |
| bur[n] er | thanks LaserJock... i'll check it out! | 07:43 |
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| LaserJock | theCore: got your email | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I don't know if the url should be changed or not? | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | I think that when ubuntu-docs is installed it is placed in /ubuntu/ not /generic/ | 07:51 |
| theCore | oh, right I forgot I changed that url | 07:52 |
| theCore | revert it | 07:52 |
| theCore | I don't think it worth the trouble | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | theCore: where did you find the info for the <type> ? | 07:52 |
| theCore | there is an OMF manual in Yelp | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | oh | 07:53 |
| theCore | it is in Other Doc. > Writing ScrollKeeper OMF Files | 07:54 |
| LaserJock | theCore: interesting, I'll have to see if I have yelp somwhere :-) | 07:58 |
| theCore | ok, gotta go | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | cya theCore | 08:01 |
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| glatzor | hi | 09:07 |
| LaserJock | hi | 09:07 |
| glatzor | what happend with the svn repo? i cannot connect to to docteam.u.c | 09:08 |
| LaserJock | sites have been on and off today | 09:08 |
| LaserJock | the wiki was down for a while and launchpad too | 09:08 |
| jjesse | power failure in datacenter | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | doc.ubuntu.com works for me now | 09:09 |
| jjesse | is what i heard | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | bummer | 09:09 |
| glatzor | this is sad. there is no mirror available? | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | I don't know of any, but don't think it will be down for too long | 09:12 |
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| mdke | jjesse, I'm not around wrong, best to try email | 10:00 |
| mdke | s/wrong/much *shrugs* | 10:00 |
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