=== lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke__ [n=matt@81-178-227-166.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-150-174.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === EricNeon [n=eric@203.148.3.94] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-34-184.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bshumate [n=bshumate@ubuntu/member/bshumate] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alexandr@Toronto-HSE-ppp3716135.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:57] hi theCore [05:59] hello LaserJock! :D [05:59] I did some rearranging of the pg today === theCore check is repo check [06:01] oh, two new files! basic.xml and ubuntu.xml, I wonder are they ... ;) [06:02] well, I moved scenarios.xml to basic.xml and I moved the ubuntu specific stuff to ubuntu.xml [06:03] cool, I like how you arranged the basic.xml file [06:03] Packaging Scenarios just wasn't very descriptive to me. [06:04] I also moved the "Building with CDBS" section to advanced. I don't think we will have time to make a full section like for debhelper [06:05] (lol, yelp froze when I go in a fullscreen tag) [06:06] maybe I should report as a bug ... [06:06] report it* [06:07] anyway ... I been cutting in half the size of the `make' description [06:09] theCore: I didn't touch getting started so my changes shouldn't effect your work [06:10] yah, I saw that [06:11] You could just link to the WebDocs for CDBS [06:12] Kyral: I think that is pretty much what we're going to do. For dapper+1 I'd like to make a heloo-cdbs package [06:13] hello-cdbs that is [06:16] LaserJock, I think we should make a quick-and-dirty draft as fast as we can [06:17] LaserJock, it would make the writing easier after [06:17] I'll make a contribution tomorrow === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-134-3.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:18] theCore: I agree. I've been busy with MOTU stuff lately (and work) but I"m presently working on the Pbuilder section. [06:19] Good Night guys [06:19] Tomorrow I start my work for the DocTeam === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-5-14.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:20] I will stop working on the Basic section, (I fear premature optimization) and try to work on a more important one === Madpilot [n=bburger@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:23] cya Kyral [06:49] LaserJock, I think will move everything of the Basic Skill to a Suggested Reading section === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:52] theCore: ok, that might be best. But try to include a little summary or description along with the link [06:53] yep, that exactly what I was thinking [06:53] theCore: I think that would be great, finish it up and send me a patch when your done ;-) [06:53] sure [07:02] ok, I need some sleep [07:02] cya later [07:03] what the hell [07:03] i got this from the doc list [07:03] sent to the group [07:03] Dear Sir / Madam . [07:03] I am writing this in total disgust about the way things are done as far [07:03] a help is concerned. By offering help to people, I would think that it [07:03] would be done in a professional manner. But alas , this is not really [07:03] the case now is it. I have read input from other users state what they [07:03] think of the likes of Microsoft etc etc. But in all fairness, Ubuntu is [07:03] just the same, there is no difference in ether party. You both want a [07:03] big slice of the software market, and do not care about who you walk [07:03] over, get my drift. [07:04] You see the only thing that stands in the way of progress is silly [07:04] people who think that they are the only ones on this planet. Which [07:04] accounts for 95% of this planet. It's a real shame, because there is [07:04] more to life than stupid bravado and a lack of decent intelligence. [07:04] I for one will gladly send you back your software and you can stick it. [07:04] Now go away and leave me alone. [07:04] wonder who this email is addressed to [07:04] What? I don't think I got that - was it sent to ubuntu-doc? [07:04] yes but it was a non-member so it got held [07:05] i was about to approve mpt's email when i saw it [07:05] send it on, just for a laugh :P [07:06] you sure? [07:06] looks like spam [07:06] well no [07:06] looks like nonsense, TBH... [07:07] yes [07:07] rejecting [07:07] The don't discuss at all what makes them feel they way the do [07:07] LaserJock: trolls aren't into motivation, they just troll [07:08] true, I wonder about senseless trolls. surely there must be some sign of intelligence [07:12] I'm off to bed. good night guys [07:12] later === dsas [n=dean@host81-129-228-69.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-155-10.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:10] what's the syntax for wildcards on the wiki? DocumentationTeam/* doesn't seem to be working to subscribe to everything under "DocumentationTeam"... [08:22] I think it's .* [08:22] thanks, will try that [08:23] . means match any character and * means match . any number of times. [08:24] ah - I really should learn basic regex at some point :P [08:25] I know bits...can't decipher some of the ones you see though. [08:27] I can't seem to update my UserPreferences actually, keep getting "passwords don't match" [08:28] can you edit the wiki & stuff? [08:28] dsas, that's a known bug [08:28] its already in malone [08:29] i think spiv is the one who will fix it [08:29] jsgotangco: do me a small favour? Edit one of the sub-pages off DocumentationTeam (/MeetingAgenda or something) - I'd like to check if the wildcard subs work... [08:29] DocumentationTeam/.* and the like [08:29] hold on [08:31] err how do you like a subpage from a mainpage? [08:31] like i want to list foobar but its a subpage of Foo [08:33] for a link? I think you have to put the whole thing in - [:Foo/foobar:text to give a useful link] [08:33] ahh [08:34] Status of sending notification mails: [08:34] [en] DanielHolbach2, DanielRobitaille, GrantGalbraith, Dsas, MatthewEast, AndrewMitchell, Madpilot: Mail sent OK [08:35] excellent, it works - thanks [08:36] hmm [08:37] rob seems so confrontational on the xp thread in sounder.. [08:37] not good [08:37] the "MS marketing swill" post? === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.35] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:38] yes something like that [08:38] and the BSOD thing [08:39] "user preferences saved" === dsas shrugs [08:39] it's an OS holy war - you can't expect entirely rational behaviour [08:39] yes [08:39] but i'll just keep my mouth shut if a flame war is starting [08:39] because some people have personalities that won't bow down to an opinion no matter what [08:39] dsas: so the wiki is co-operating with you now? [08:40] it seems so [08:40] Aren't computers fun? [08:40] no idea what's changed, but it's working. [08:41] oh, it seems if I don't put any password in then they match but it takes ages to reload the page, but if I do put my LP password in they don't match and it doesn't work. [08:43] anyway, I must get going to work if I want to get a parking space. t'ra. === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [09:04] morning [09:05] hi mdke [09:06] Madpilot, so what do you think about this thing? you think we should use it? [09:07] i'm not brilliantly keen [09:07] haven't tried it yet to see what it looks like, actually. [09:07] I'll have a look at it tomorrow night [09:07] we'll probably get burned aesthetically, but its syntatically correct [09:08] well, if it doesn't improve the look, I really don't think we should do it [09:08] it will be a pain to convert the entire guide === mdke still prefers bullet points over numbers [09:09] mdke: so do I, unless the number of points is over 3 or so, then numbers make more sense... [09:09] they make sense, but look bad IMO [09:09] because they clash with the numbers in each section heading [09:10] true - with those long section headings, there's probably enough numbers floating around already - but numbered lists can be easier to follow than long bulletted lists [09:10] i guess that's true [09:11] we ought to be consistent [09:11] but if we're gonna use numbers, I'd rather use orderedlist, because we can use find/replace for that, whereas procedure would require serious time spent on rewriting [09:11] and i'd rather that time was spent on improving the guide, tbh [09:12] btw jsgotangco, i'll commit the edubuntu thing today, I didn't get to my computer yesterday, sorry again [09:12] k [09:21] ->work === bur[n] er [n=burner@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-158-168.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:13] jsgotangco, ok the edubuntu stuff is on the website, have a look === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:14] i see it now! [10:14] hmmm [10:14] release notes is a dud [10:14] 404 [10:15] ah, thanks [10:16] fixed === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:37] thanks === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco sighs [11:07] are we really sticking to gnome x-chat? === pingu64 [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-11-246.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === daha [n=dagfinn@ti541110a080-0901.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-doc === daha [n=dagfinn@ti541110a080-0901.bb.online.no] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Forlater] === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alexandr@Toronto-HSE-ppp3716135.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-5-14.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-5-14.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp134-160.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:40] i just had to install libxine-exracodecs before totem would play sound with my mpgs. did i just miss something in the doc, or is it not mentioned? [04:40] just a tic , I'll grep [04:43] hm. it's not there. [04:44] anyone else need the file for audio? running dapper. === bshumate [n=bshumate@ubuntu/member/bshumate] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke__ [n=matt@81-178-189-79.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@A-18-95.cust.iol.ie] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:34] hmm it seems rob and jjesse are starting a flamewar on windows [05:34] where jsgotangco ? [05:34] sounder === robotgeek just checked sounder [05:35] ah, since it did'nt have "flamewar" in the subject, i probably missed it :) [05:36] its that xp thread [05:36] yeah, foun it :) [05:51] good night [05:52] night === theCore [n=alexandr@Toronto-HSE-ppp3715320.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:01] hi robotgeek [07:01] hi theCore [07:01] hey LaserJock , howdy [07:01] hello LaserJock [07:03] LaserJock, I found a elegant way, how to integrate both a quick-howto and references about the tools [07:03] theCore: yeah? [07:04] It was somehow painful for me to trash 200 lines of text, so decided to recycle them [07:05] I striped them up and added them with the tools descriptions === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:09] LaserJock, do you know good ref. about ./configure ? [07:10] hmm, maybe my solution isn't that elegant ... :/ [07:11] theCore: not really, you might check out man pages even if there isn't anything grea on the web [07:11] I forgot about dependencies [07:11] mdke: ping? [07:13] jjesse: is there a reason why the fdl and ccbysa licenses are in kubuntu/libs/ ? [07:14] not that i am aware of [07:14] those are the ones that the kubuntu files use? [07:15] lol, "The Ubuntu Packaging Guide is based on the original work of: Alexandre Vassalotti", cool that's me! [07:15] jjesse: i think ridell put them there for removing xincludes, let me look up my logs [07:15] LaserJock, is it you that added this ? [07:15] theCore: I think so [07:15] theCore: you've worked on it [07:16] LaserJock, yeah, but it's written like I was more important that you [07:17] s/that/than/ [07:17] jjesse: 17:27 < Riddell> robotgeek: I converted it to non-xincludes [07:17] LaserJock, I modified the OMF file a little bit [07:17] theCore: fine [07:18] 15:58 < Riddell> I'm not talking about content just now, but about changing from xincludes to old fashioned stuff that meinproc can understand === spz2 [n=justin@c-67-188-11-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:19] hi- [07:19] so it is to work with KDE better? [07:19] hi spz2 [07:19] ive been in and out of the irc channels tryin to get my install to work [07:19] not working [07:19] there is something that bother me a little bit, though. [07:19] spz2: this is not a support channel, please ask in #ubuntu [07:19] ah ok [07:21] LaserJock: so that the reason they are there, though i don't quite understand them :) [07:21] ok, I just wondered [07:21] in the omf file, should I put myself as creator, maintainer, or contributor ? [07:22] contributor I think [07:22] ok, that what I did [07:23] Why the licence is GPL ? not FDL ? [07:24] because all the Debian docs are GPL and the Ubuntu Developer's Resource will be GPL as well [07:24] oh, ok [07:24] if we want to be able to share material amongst them the licenses need to be compatible [07:25] ok I send you the diff of the OMG file [07:25] great [07:25] actually I will send the whole file [07:25] fine [07:36] does the Wiki is down again ? [07:37] i think so, not able to access myself [07:40] anyone have xserver-xgl and compiz kickin? === bur[n] er isn't sure how to enable compiz after apt-getting === bur[n] er realizes this is off-topic :\ [07:41] ok it is up again [07:43] bur[n] er: there is an ubuntu-devel-announce email todaqy about that [07:43] thanks LaserJock... i'll check it out! === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:48] theCore: got your email [07:50] hmm, I don't know if the url should be changed or not? [07:51] I think that when ubuntu-docs is installed it is placed in /ubuntu/ not /generic/ [07:52] oh, right I forgot I changed that url [07:52] revert it [07:52] I don't think it worth the trouble [07:52] theCore: where did you find the info for the ? [07:53] there is an OMF manual in Yelp [07:53] oh [07:54] it is in Other Doc. > Writing ScrollKeeper OMF Files [07:58] theCore: interesting, I'll have to see if I have yelp somwhere :-) [08:01] ok, gotta go [08:01] cya theCore === LaserJock_ [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock_ [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-5-14.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:07] hi [09:07] hi [09:08] what happend with the svn repo? i cannot connect to to docteam.u.c [09:08] sites have been on and off today [09:08] the wiki was down for a while and launchpad too [09:09] power failure in datacenter [09:09] doc.ubuntu.com works for me now [09:09] is what i heard [09:09] bummer [09:10] this is sad. there is no mirror available? 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