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| bluefoxicy | didn't get anywhere with the K8 kernel | 02:37 |
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| bluefoxicy | it starts to boot, and then my newcastle cored machine just streaks the machine with green bars and hardlocks. | 02:38 |
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| pdr | anyone around? | 03:59 |
| ajmitch_ | sure | 04:09 |
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| fabbione | BenC: please pull from my archive. I have a couple of redhat cluster suite updates only. | 09:12 |
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| fabbione | hey BenC | 02:47 |
| BenC | fabbione: Hey, I'll pull from you after the meeting | 02:47 |
| fabbione | i got a couple of updates in my tree.. it would good if you can pull before upload .22 | 02:47 |
| fabbione | ok perfect | 02:48 |
| fabbione | i think for dapper+1 we will spare our troubles from manual merging | 02:48 |
| fabbione | steve did publish gfs2 tree in git on kernel.org | 02:48 |
| fabbione | but we can't switch to it yet | 02:49 |
| fabbione | too unstable | 02:49 |
| BenC | cool | 02:49 |
| fabbione | it was about time :) | 02:49 |
| fabbione | after tons of ranting ;) | 02:49 |
| fabbione | i know for a fact that the GFS redhat team hates me | 02:49 |
| BenC | lol | 02:49 |
| fabbione | http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cluster-cvs/2006-q1/msg00178.html | 02:51 |
| fabbione | https://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-cluster/2006-February/msg00120.html | 02:51 |
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| fabbione | i don't give them time to breath :) | 02:51 |
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| zul | heylo | 04:03 |
| infinity | (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ ls /sys/bus/pci_express/devices/ -l | 04:15 |
| infinity | total 0 | 04:15 |
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| Keybuk | total 0 | 04:16 |
| Keybuk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2006-02-16 14:12 pcie00 -> ../../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0e.0/pcie00 | 04:16 |
| Keybuk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2006-02-16 14:12 pcie00 -> ../../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0e.0/pcie00 | 04:16 |
| Keybuk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2006-02-16 14:12 pcie00 -> ../../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0e.0/pcie00 | 04:16 |
| Keybuk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2006-02-16 14:12 pcie00 -> ../../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0e.0/pcie00 | 04:16 |
| Keybuk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2006-02-16 14:12 pcie03 -> ../../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0e.0/pcie03 | 04:16 |
| Keybuk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2006-02-16 14:12 pcie03 -> ../../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0e.0/pcie03 | 04:16 |
| Keybuk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2006-02-16 14:12 pcie03 -> ../../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0e.0/pcie03 | 04:16 |
| Keybuk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2006-02-16 14:12 pcie03 -> ../../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0e.0/pcie03 | 04:16 |
| Keybuk | -- | 04:16 |
| infinity | Yeah, what he said. | 04:16 |
| Keybuk | interesting that they're all the "same" device | 04:17 |
| infinity | Except for the part where I get aimed at a different bus/bridge, but whatever. | 04:17 |
| infinity | Same shit. | 04:17 |
| Keybuk | infinity: do any links you have of the same filename point to different destinations? | 04:17 |
| infinity | Nope, same as yours. 00 to 00, 02 to 02, 03 to 03. | 04:17 |
| infinity | Three 00, two 02, and three 03. :) | 04:18 |
| infinity | thpethul. | 04:18 |
| === infinity should go to bed. | ||
| Keybuk | BenC: so yeah, it'd be nice if it didn't do *that* :) | 04:20 |
| BenC | ok | 04:20 |
| BenC | all those symlinks from from the driver core, so pcie must just be doing something stupid with sysfs linking | 04:21 |
| infinity | Yeah, I think we already concluded on the "something stupid with linking" front. | 04:21 |
| infinity | :) | 04:21 |
| BenC | ah, no it's not really that stupid | 04:24 |
| BenC | each of those links represents a "pcie service" for that device | 04:24 |
| BenC | the naming is just stupid | 04:24 |
| Keybuk | except for the "creating symlinks that userspace can't deal with" stupidness? :p | 04:25 |
| BenC | it should include the service number so it's unique | 04:25 |
| Keybuk | pcie00:%d ? | 04:25 |
| Keybuk | (same for the subdirs under /sys/bus/pci/devices/*/pcie%d ? | 04:25 |
| BenC | can you ls -l /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0e.0/ ? | 04:26 |
| infinity | base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ ls -l /sys/devices/pci0000\:00/0000\:00\:1c.2/ | 04:27 |
| infinity | total 0 | 04:27 |
| infinity | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2006-02-17 06:22 bus -> ../../../bus/pci/ | 04:27 |
| infinity | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-17 06:22 class | 04:27 |
| infinity | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-17 06:22 config | 04:27 |
| infinity | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-17 06:22 device | 04:27 |
| infinity | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2006-02-17 06:22 driver -> ../../../bus/pci/drivers/pcieport-driver/ | 04:27 |
| infinity | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-17 06:22 irq | 04:27 |
| infinity | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-17 06:22 local_cpus | 04:27 |
| infinity | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-17 06:22 modalias | 04:27 |
| infinity | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 0 2006-02-17 06:22 pcie00/ | 04:27 |
| infinity | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 0 2006-02-17 06:22 pcie02/ | 04:27 |
| infinity | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 0 2006-02-17 06:22 pcie03/ | 04:27 |
| infinity | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 2006-02-17 06:22 power/ | 04:27 |
| infinity | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-17 06:22 resource | 04:27 |
| infinity | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-17 06:22 subsystem_device | 04:27 |
| infinity | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-17 06:22 subsystem_vendor | 04:27 |
| infinity | --w------- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-17 06:22 uevent | 04:27 |
| infinity | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-17 06:22 vendor | 04:27 |
| infinity | (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ | 04:27 |
| Keybuk | -- | 04:27 |
| infinity | (That's my PCIe bus) | 04:27 |
| Keybuk | and for me | 04:27 |
| Keybuk | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 0 2006-02-16 14:12 0000:01:00.0 | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2006-02-16 14:12 bus -> ../../../bus/pci | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-16 14:12 class | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-16 14:12 config | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-16 14:12 device | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2006-02-16 14:12 driver -> ../../../bus/pci/drivers/pcieport-driver | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-16 14:12 irq | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-16 14:12 local_cpus | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-16 14:12 modalias | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 0 2006-02-16 14:12 pcie00 | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 0 2006-02-16 14:12 pcie03 | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 2006-02-16 14:12 power | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-16 14:12 resource | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-16 14:12 subsystem_device | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-16 14:12 subsystem_vendor | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | --w------- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-16 14:12 uevent | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2006-02-16 14:12 vendor | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | syndicate co% | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | -- | 04:28 |
| BenC | well, that pcie%02x is supposed to be an OR of the type and service (4 bits each) | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | the pcie00 and pci03 directories just contain bus, power and uevent | 04:28 |
| BenC | why it isn't unique is a little odd | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | aye | 04:30 |
| BenC | I'll have to ask about this | 04:30 |
| Keybuk | that "pci device" does appear to the the pcie bus | 04:30 |
| Keybuk | the pcie devices themselves (ie. the video card and friends) show up as ordinary pci devices | 04:31 |
| infinity | Yes, they do. | 04:34 |
| infinity | If they didn't, my laptop wouldn't work with breezy. :) | 04:34 |
| infinity | (breezy's radeon driver didn't support PCIe, only PCI) | 04:35 |
| === Keybuk wonders whether nvidia-glx is talking via PCIe or PCI | ||
| Keybuk | (and how to tell) | 04:35 |
| infinity | It does PCIe. | 04:35 |
| BenC | "because they are a bunch of clueless idiots" | 04:35 |
| BenC | not really a helpful response | 04:35 |
| BenC | Time to try Xgl, brb | 04:36 |
| Keybuk | ah, "(II) NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Link width: 8X" | 04:42 |
| Keybuk | glxgears -iagreethatdanielsisachild says ~20000 FPS | 04:44 |
| Keybuk | so I guess that works then | 04:44 |
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| bcollins | xgl totally hosed things up | 06:13 |
| bcollins | guess it's not ready for ppc and/or radeon | 06:13 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, I've had a couple of people say that | 06:13 |
| mjg59 | Ooh. Based on LKML, people are booting Linux on the Macs. | 06:14 |
| Keybuk | Mactels? | 06:14 |
| mjg59 | Yeah | 06:15 |
| mjg59 | Though ACPI is exploding on them | 06:15 |
| mjg59 | (During boot) | 06:15 |
| mjg59 | Wonder how he's getting console output | 06:15 |
| mjg59 | Looks like a gentoo person. Hmm. | 06:16 |
| Keybuk | who is it? | 06:18 |
| === bcollins is doing the opposite | ||
| bcollins | trying to get Tiger running on a P4 | 06:19 |
| mjg59 | "Edgar Hucek" | 06:21 |
| mjg59 | Would be interesting to find out | 06:21 |
| Keybuk | name doesn't ring a bell | 06:22 |
| mjg59 | Nope | 06:22 |
| mjg59 | Was doing some work on Xbox stuff at some point | 06:22 |
| zul | never heard of him | 06:22 |
| mjg59 | Hmm. | 06:22 |
| mjg59 | We need to get hold of some Mac hardware. | 06:22 |
| Keybuk | is Mactel stuff out in the shops yet? | 06:22 |
| zul | supposedly | 06:23 |
| Keybuk | we've apparently ordered one | 06:28 |
| mjg59 | An iMac? | 06:31 |
| mjg59 | Or a Macbook? | 06:31 |
| Keybuk | Macbook | 06:32 |
| mjg59 | When? The originals batch should be being delivered nowish, but new orders look like they're pushed back until March... | 06:33 |
| Keybuk | dunno, I guess it was probably about the time Jane said we'd be trying to do the work ;) | 06:33 |
| mjg59 | Heh | 06:33 |
| mjg59 | Booting a kernel should be fine, but we'll need to find out some way to get a console off it | 06:34 |
| Keybuk | they don't have usual PC BIOS do they? | 06:34 |
| Keybuk | I guess Linux's support for EFMI isn't quite there yet? | 06:34 |
| Keybuk | surprised Intel haven't helped with that | 06:35 |
| mjg59 | EFI is fine | 06:36 |
| mjg59 | People have been using it to boot on IA64 for years | 06:36 |
| mjg59 | And elilo should work fine on x86 | 06:36 |
| Keybuk | why no console then? | 06:36 |
| mjg59 | Does EFI provide a sensible console? | 06:36 |
| Keybuk | I don't know | 06:36 |
| mjg59 | (Once passed to the kernel) | 06:36 |
| mjg59 | I guess it might do - in which case vgacon probably works | 06:36 |
| Keybuk | it's one of those things where until I see one, I won't know much about it ;) | 06:37 |
| mjg59 | Ah, yeah, IA64 has VGAcon | 06:37 |
| mjg59 | So it might work | 06:37 |
| mjg59 | That would make life easier | 06:37 |
| mxpxpod | what would make syslogd spawn 9 new instances of itself when I resume from sleep? | 07:20 |
| bcollins | sweet...never though I'd see osx installing on this P4 | 07:31 |
| zul | did you pay for your copy of osx? | 07:32 |
| bcollins | *cough*Of course*cough* | 07:33 |
| zul | hmm...maybe i should try.. | 07:33 |
| bcollins | the paid-for copy of osx wont install on normal PC hw without all the extra hacks | 07:33 |
| zul | hehe | 07:33 |
| bcollins | namely, needing sse3 hw | 07:33 |
| bcollins | the "copy" I have has an sse2 hack, so I can atleast run it on my P4 | 07:34 |
| zul | oooo...i have sse2 as well...gimme..;) | 07:34 |
| zul | *cough* gimme please *cough* | 07:34 |
| bcollins | uh, I deleted it from my public high b/w system...no way I'm uploading at 27k/sec :) | 07:36 |
| zul | heh...its ok...ill just go hang myself..:) | 07:36 |
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| Keybuk | bcollins: is there any particular advantage to the amd64-k8 kernels over amd64-generic? | 07:57 |
| BenC | Keybuk: just that the compile-time options are more geared toward k8 | 07:58 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: they give you IO-MMU support, for instance. | 07:59 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: btw, anything in particular you'd like me to test on this? I know you've been doing some amd64 portability work | 08:05 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: actually, yes. If you run ddcprobe from the console, does it output sane values for you? | 08:05 |
| Keybuk | yes, quite a bit | 08:05 |
| Mithrandir | pitti has some problems with his card, but I'm not sure which one that is yet | 08:06 |
| Keybuk | http://rafb.net/paste/results/I1NxVx81.html | 08:07 |
| Mithrandir | hmm, so it appears it doesn't do edid for you either.. :-/ | 08:08 |
| Keybuk | interesting | 08:08 |
| Mithrandir | any chance you could try ddcprobe from a i386 live cd? | 08:08 |
| Keybuk | Xorg.0.log says the nvidia driver has read stuff from EDID | 08:08 |
| Keybuk | as in boot the Live CD and try? or just run the i386 binary on this? | 08:09 |
| Mithrandir | as in, boot the live cd, pop out to the console and run sudo ddcprobe there | 08:12 |
| Keybuk | right | 08:12 |
| Keybuk | will have to do that a bit later ;) | 08:12 |
| Keybuk | will give you the result tomorrow | 08:12 |
| Mithrandir | the amd64 kernel doesn't have the vm86 syscall, so the i386 binary is useless on amd64. | 08:12 |
| Mithrandir | thanks, no hurry. | 08:12 |
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| fishdish | another curiosity: there is this computer called TYAN VX 50. It has 8 slots for AMD Opteron processors. We are trying to fix Ubuntu to work with all the 8 processors. We have a problem though: 4 of the processors are connected to the motherboard with a PCI-E. Therefore there's a PCI-E to cross to 4 processors which are missing from the configuration | 09:35 |
| cjb | fishdish: "are missing from the configuration"? | 09:36 |
| doko | * Added support for Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG driver; this driver needs 16KB | 09:48 |
| doko | stacks in kernel. | 09:48 |
| doko | BenC: this is from ndiswrapper-1.9. do our kernels have 16kB stacks? | 09:48 |
| BenC | our stacksize is stock | 09:49 |
| fishdish | yeah... 4 processors are seen, 4 missing | 09:57 |
| fishdish | it seems that the PCI-E between the processors hides the add-on board from sight | 09:58 |
| fishdish | this monitor sux even | 09:58 |
| fishdish | I have noticed that this is a kernel issue. Some ppl on #debian thoguht NUMA had to be reconfigured. | 09:59 |
| fishdish | but i think NUMA has nothing to do with it | 10:00 |
| fishdish | which part of the kernel handles multiprocessing over PCI-E? | 10:00 |
| fishdish | TYAN sells their product with Linux (suse) but i'd like to use Debian/alternative | 10:01 |
| fishdish | Therefore in need to build a custom kernel | 10:02 |
| fishdish | i think this server is not the only one with such hardware... it would help also with many other hardcore workstations | 10:03 |
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| Keybuk | Mithrandir: didn't have any luck with the breezy live cd | 10:04 |
| Keybuk | it spat random garbage at my monitor and X crashed | 10:04 |
| fishdish | Keybuk tune the video mode | 10:05 |
| Keybuk | fishdish: it's a live cd ... I can't ;) | 10:05 |
| fishdish | ah, and it's not knoppix | 10:05 |
| Keybuk | I suspect it's more that the nv driver can't drive this card, but thought it could | 10:05 |
| === fishdish is troubled with building custom kernels | ||
| fishdish | nvidia drivers sux | 10:06 |
| fishdish | they are like 10000 hours older than the current winoze drivers | 10:07 |
| fishdish | windoz | 10:07 |
| Keybuk | the nvidia-glx one in dapper works just fine for me | 10:07 |
| fishdish | me i need sth to support processors behind PCI Express | 10:08 |
| fishdish | it's a lot of guessing | 10:08 |
| Keybuk | you'll almost certainly have to write it yourself :) enjoy | 10:08 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: I'll have to wait until I have real bandwidth before I can download and burn a dapper Live | 10:08 |
| fishdish | i think so - the more i read the docs and ask people, the more i think so. Novell Linux Server can see the whole 8 processors but i don't want Novell Linux Server. I want Debian. The Real Linux. | 10:09 |
| fishdish | ...so many diffrent kinds of computers to configure fro Linux.. | 10:10 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Just boot to console mode | 10:10 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: how do you do that on a live? "s" as usual? | 10:10 |
| mjg59 | If all else fails, just pass init=/bin/bash | 10:11 |
| Keybuk | does that not break casper? | 10:11 |
| Keybuk | I don't know much about the breezy live | 10:11 |
| mjg59 | Dunno | 10:11 |
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| fishdish | bash sux why cant there be a shell script perl-alike? | 10:11 |
| mjg59 | I'm sure if you poke it hard, somethng will happen | 10:11 |
| Nigelenki | amd64 kernel hard-locked when I opened gtk-gnutella, 2.6.15-15-generic | 10:11 |
| fishdish | cool | 10:12 |
| fishdish | what about running Ubuntu on a MIPS processor? the next computer i have is a MIPS -based development board that represents a handheld. If i build a Debian kernal with MIPS support and then build Ubutnu on top of it, will it work? | 10:13 |
| fishdish | typos... | 10:14 |
| fishdish | ...the CPU is an ARC 750D | 10:17 |
| fishdish | the same core with nintendo Came Cube | 10:17 |
| fishdish | ..i believe | 10:18 |
| Nigelenki | mmm | 10:21 |
| Nigelenki | ^3buntu | 10:21 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: just installing xresprobe from dapper? | 10:21 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: hmm? | 10:21 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: you know you can install random stuff to the live cd? | 10:21 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: so just change breezy to dapper and then do apt-get install xresprobe on the live cd. | 10:22 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: only if you can get the live cd to actually *boot* :) | 10:22 |
| Keybuk | it crashed | 10:22 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: heh, tried with noapic acpi=off? | 10:22 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: nope, too much effort <g> will just do a dapper one later | 10:27 |
| Keybuk | breezy live takes too long to boot | 10:27 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: sure | 10:28 |
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