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sistpoty | bbl | 12:04 |
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ajmitch_ | sigh, Xgl died *again* | 12:04 |
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ajmitch_ | ok, f-spot UVF exception requested | 12:08 |
ajmitch_ | we'll see if this one goes through | 12:08 |
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ajmitch_ | it's probably about 2K under the size limit | 12:08 |
ajmitch_ | ah no, only 32K | 12:09 |
marcin` | errrr I'll get mad.... | 12:11 |
marcin` | what can I do when dpkg says: Not replacing deleted config file /usr/share/.... ? | 12:12 |
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marcin` | how can I force dpkg to reinstall this file? | 12:12 |
ajmitch_ | ah, there's a --force-confmiss option or similar | 12:14 |
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marcin` | ajmitch_: didn't work | 12:15 |
sistpoty | stupid glx... doesn't want to respect my improvement *G* | 12:15 |
ajmitch_ | marcin`: I said 'or similar', my memory is lacking here | 12:16 |
marcin` | ajmitch_: your memory is propably ok because dpkg accepted this option | 12:16 |
marcin` | ajmitch_: although it's true that I cannot see this option in --help or man dpkg ;/ | 12:17 |
marcin` | ajmitch_: ok worked.. I had to purge remove package | 12:18 |
marcin` | ajmitch_: and then install package with --force-confmiss | 12:18 |
raphink | sistpoty: got my name called? | 12:18 |
marcin` | ajmitch_: btw what is the cause of this error? "Not replacing deleted config file" ? | 12:18 |
raphink | sistpoty: I agree that holding a 3-people MOTU meeting is not the best way to have democratic choices taken | 12:19 |
sistpoty | raphink: we were just discussing if a wiki-page is the best thing to handle the workflow | 12:19 |
raphink | sure | 12:20 |
dholbach | what do you think about an announce on the mailing list and a launchpad poll? | 12:20 |
raphink | too bad there wasn't anyone to discuss that earlier during the meeting | 12:20 |
sistpoty | raphink: would you mind if we do the vote again? | 12:20 |
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raphink | I don't mind sistpoty | 12:20 |
raphink | sistpoty: but then let's do as dholbach proposes | 12:20 |
sistpoty | hehe, just wanted to write that *G* | 12:20 |
sistpoty | who will create the poll? | 12:20 |
raphink | sistpoty: doing it here unofficially wouldn't be fair after "officially" voting during the meeting | 12:20 |
sistpoty | yes | 12:21 |
ajmitch_ | dholbach: it's fine if people take part ;) | 12:21 |
ajmitch_ | dholbach: the meeting time only had 2 votes, last I heard | 12:21 |
raphink | ajmitch_: can't be much worse than the number of votes we got during the meeting | 12:21 |
raphink | ajmitch_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/MOTU_2006-02-15 | 12:22 |
dholbach | don't be so pessimistic | 12:22 |
raphink | ajmitch_: just so you can see how alone we felt in the end ;) | 12:22 |
ajmitch_ | I read through the meeting scrollback | 12:22 |
raphink | ok | 12:22 |
sistpoty | hehe, the raphink and sistpoty meeting :) | 12:23 |
ajmitch_ | dholbach: I'm a realist, we've gotr ahistory of noone speaking up :) | 12:23 |
raphink | sistpoty: I'll blame nobody, since I often leave meetings in the middle myself | 12:23 |
sistpoty | he, and I tend to miss TB/CC meetings | 12:23 |
raphink | hehe | 12:23 |
dholbach | ajmitch_: but that's not how teams and pioneer atmosphere works | 12:24 |
ajmitch_ | dholbach: I know, and that's a problem | 12:25 |
LaserJock | i've got so much freaking paperwork I'm floating in and out. Stupid laser saftey and travel forms :\ | 12:25 |
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sistpoty | bbl | 12:46 |
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ajmitch_ | sistpoty: it worked? | 12:50 |
sistpoty | xserver-xgl? yes | 12:50 |
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sistpoty | ajmitch_: but my fix to fix the colors of xosview? no :( | 12:51 |
ajmitch_ | Riddell: btw, I wish I'd gotten some of those specially sabdfl-signed kubuntu cds ;) | 12:51 |
ajmitch_ | I can't recall if I managed to score some kubuntu cds or not | 12:51 |
Riddell | ajmitch_: I can sign a Kubuntu CD and send it to you if you want | 12:52 |
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sistpoty | ok, /me is off again... cya | 12:52 |
ajmitch_ | Riddell: though it'd costa a lot to send to NZ | 12:52 |
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LaserJock | ajmitch_: is that AU to NZ? | 12:54 |
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ajmitch_ | LaserJock: yes, caused by someone downloading stuff | 12:55 |
ajmitch_ | usually it's ~80ms | 12:55 |
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dholbach | good night | 01:04 |
LaserJock | cya dholbach | 01:04 |
dholbach | night LaserJock | 01:04 |
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Yagisan | StevenK: ping | 02:32 |
Yagisan | StevenK: n/m - see you at lunch | 02:33 |
robertj | hey all, I've got a simple little package I made, and it is oh-so-humble. Can someone take a look at it and rip me a new one ;) It builds under the pbuilder and lintian doesn't complain. Can anone take a look and offer some pointers to a first-timer? | 02:35 |
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Hobbsee | robertj: would help if you gave a link to it :P | 02:46 |
robertj | Hobbsee, http://www.music.uga.edu/wip/packages/ | 02:49 |
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sistpoty | hi again | 02:51 |
sistpoty | ping ajmitch_ | 02:55 |
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bmonty | evening everyone | 03:03 |
crimsun | evening bmonty | 03:03 |
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ajmitch_ | sistpoty: yes? | 03:04 |
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LaserJock_away | nick LaserJock | 03:05 |
LaserJock | darn / ;-) | 03:06 |
LaserJock | hi bmonty | 03:06 |
LaserJock | sistpoty: do you know if mdt is installed on tiber? | 03:07 |
bmonty | hey LaserJock | 03:08 |
bmonty | I've been out of touch for awhile...is there a list we are tracking who is doing what with unmet deps? I found the list of packages that need work | 03:08 |
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Toadstool | hi again MOTUs | 03:09 |
LaserJock | bmonty: well, after today's MOTU meeting we started a list at MOTU/WorkInProgress | 03:09 |
Toadstool | how's the REVU day going ? :) | 03:09 |
bmonty | ok | 03:10 |
bmonty | LaserJock: you are MOTU now? | 03:11 |
LaserJock | bmonty: I tried yesterday, but nobody who had sponsored my uploads were there so the deferred me to next TB meeting | 03:12 |
bmonty | LaserJock: ahhh...I know that feeling :( | 03:12 |
LaserJock | bmonty: I think everybody has been work on cleaning up REVU before FF so I don't know how much unmet deps work has been done | 03:13 |
ajmitch_ | sistpoty:ICMP ECHO REPLY | 03:14 |
Toadstool | :D | 03:14 |
bmonty | LaserJock: well I'm going to start working on them :) | 03:14 |
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bmonty | sistpoty: I'm still working on the LDAP/Kerberos info in the wiki, its taking longer to document than I originally thought | 03:22 |
sistpoty | bmonty: ? | 03:22 |
bmonty | sistpoty: weren't we talking about single sign on with LDAP and kerberos? | 03:23 |
sistpoty | bmonty: no... maybe you mean siretart? | 03:23 |
bmonty | sistpoty: possibly, sorry about that :) | 03:23 |
sistpoty | np ;) | 03:24 |
Toadstool | hi sistpoty ! | 03:25 |
sistpoty | hi Toadstool | 03:25 |
ajmitch_ | sistpoty: bah, you pinged, here's another reply :P | 03:25 |
sistpoty | ajmitch_: sorry, must have been after my provider forced me to disconnect *g* | 03:25 |
ajmitch_ | 20min ago :) | 03:25 |
sistpoty | ajmitch_: can you add me to the LP motu group? I'd like to setup the poll now | 03:25 |
sistpoty | ajmitch_: strange, didn't get a pong... :) | 03:26 |
Toadstool | <ajmitch_> sistpoty:ICMP ECHO REPLY <-- i think it is a pong ;) | 03:26 |
sistpoty | yes... but I guess the packet was lost somewhere at my provider's pppoe srv ;) | 03:27 |
Toadstool | damn provider :) | 03:27 |
ajmitch_ | sistpoty: one moment | 03:28 |
ajmitch_ | lp name is sistpoty? | 03:28 |
sistpoty | ajmitch_: yes | 03:29 |
Toadstool | good night everybody | 03:30 |
sistpoty | gn8 Toadstool | 03:30 |
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sistpoty | ajmitch_: thx | 03:34 |
sistpoty | ajmitch_: args... seems like normal members of a team can't create a poll :( | 03:34 |
ajmitch_ | probably not | 03:35 |
sistpoty | ajmitch_: can you set me to administrator as well, or can only ogra do that? | 03:36 |
ajmitch_ | probably just ogra | 03:36 |
ajmitch_ | it takes 20-30 sec for a page to load | 03:37 |
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sistpoty | ok... then I'll have to wait | 03:37 |
sistpoty | thx for trying ajmitch_ :) | 03:37 |
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bmonty | good night everyone | 04:03 |
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Kyral | lol, GPixPod Upstream released a new ver before I could finish packahing this on | 04:15 |
ajmitch_ | why is that funny? | 04:16 |
Kyral | dunno | 04:16 |
LaserJock | sistpoty: lol, I could make the poll for you ;-) | 04:16 |
Kyral | it amuses me | 04:16 |
sistpoty | LaserJock: sure, go ahead :) | 04:17 |
LaserJock | sistpoty: really? you wouldn't mind. I don't want to take your poll away from you. | 04:18 |
sistpoty | LaserJock: no... actually I had hoped s.o. else would have done it till now :) | 04:18 |
sistpoty | ok... /me really needs to go to bed now... gn8 everyone | 04:21 |
ajmitch_ | night sistpoty | 04:21 |
LaserJock | darn | 04:22 |
LaserJock | I was going to verify the poll options with him | 04:22 |
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Kyral | hmm | 04:43 |
Kyral | dangit I keep getting those "Script-Not-Executable" things | 04:43 |
LaserJock | ajmitch_: can you take a look at https://launchpad.net/people/motu/+poll/motu-workflow | 04:51 |
ajmitch_ | 'where do we want to force people to go today?' :) | 04:56 |
Kyral | Can someone ping me | 04:56 |
ajmitch_ | you have 'no change', and then 2 options with bugs | 04:56 |
LaserJock | ajmitch_: well, the no change wouldn't be forcing anybody to do anything ;-) | 04:58 |
Hobbsee | Kyral: ping? | 04:58 |
LaserJock | should I make it more clear that it would be a voluntary system? | 04:58 |
ajmitch_ | LaserJock: I know :) | 04:58 |
ajmitch_ | LaserJock: sure, but anything in MOTU is essentially voluntary | 04:59 |
LaserJock | true | 04:59 |
LaserJock | do you understand the options ok, I was at the meeting so I know the discussion behind the options | 04:59 |
ajmitch_ | I understand, because I read the meeting log | 05:00 |
ajmitch_ | & I've discussed it here with you | 05:00 |
LaserJock | hmm, so maybe I should send an email to -motu announcing the poll with more background | 05:00 |
Kyral | Hobbsee: I meant ping literally | 05:01 |
Hobbsee | Kyral: oh :( | 05:02 |
Kyral | My college net is going wonky | 05:02 |
Hobbsee | Kyral: [15:02] [CTCP] Received CTCP-PING reply from Kyral: 1 second. that better? | 05:02 |
Kyral | yah | 05:02 |
Hobbsee | :) | 05:02 |
ajmitch_ | Kyral: they're both just irc messages | 05:02 |
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ajmitch_ | so ctcp ping isn't going to be much different | 05:03 |
Kyral | ajmitch_: sorry, used to asking for pings to judge lag :P | 05:03 |
kreit | can you please confirm that fonts look better in gnome than in kde (clearer, less blurred, antialias)? | 05:03 |
ajmitch_ | no | 05:03 |
kreit | ajmitch_: answering me? | 05:04 |
LaserJock | kreit: I don't think I've noticed a difference but I haven't paid much attention to that for a while | 05:04 |
ajmitch_ | kreit: that would mean I've have to have gnome & kde on the same box & test them both :) | 05:04 |
minghua | kreit: using dapper? | 05:04 |
kreit | minghua: no, why? | 05:04 |
kreit | ajmitch_: no, just gtk and qt :) | 05:05 |
ajmitch_ | & some applications properly configured to test them | 05:05 |
kreit | ajmitch_: yes | 05:06 |
minghua | kreit: because there's something wrong with dapper's fonts right now, but since you are not, it doesn't matter | 05:06 |
kreit | however, is it unanimously believed that open office antialias is terrible? | 05:06 |
LaserJock | ajmitch_: so does the poll have sufficient options do you think? Would you like to add any more? | 05:06 |
LaserJock | hi minghua | 05:07 |
minghua | evening LaserJock | 05:07 |
kreit | i mean i don't remember to have ever enjoyed working in open office as i enjoy working in abiword. abiword has a very nice antialias, while openoffice's's blured. | 05:11 |
kreit | s/open\ office/openoffice/ | 05:11 |
kreit | s/blurred/blured/ | 05:12 |
LaserJock | umm, openoffice vs. abiword isn't kde vs. gnome, I don't think | 05:14 |
kreit | LaserJock: didn't connect them. i know openoffice is not connected to kde. | 05:18 |
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dolson | man, that whole time I was in the wrong channel | 05:25 |
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Kyral | Malone 31594 | 05:34 |
Ubugtu | malone bug 31594 in configure-debian "Desktop and .menu files use su instead of sudo" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/31594 | 05:34 |
Kyral | A Debian Native package | 05:34 |
Kyral | if I fix it, it will add to the Delta | 05:35 |
Kyral | oh well :D | 05:37 |
Kyral | good lord my Hackergotchi needs work | 05:44 |
LaserJock | Kyral: better than mine ;-) | 05:46 |
Kyral | lol | 05:47 |
Kyral | okay I attached the debdiff anyone wanna upload it? | 05:47 |
Kyral | ;P | 05:50 |
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Kyral | hey seth | 06:00 |
LaserJock | hi seth | 06:03 |
seth | hi LaserJock and friends | 06:03 |
Kyral | *twitch* | 06:04 |
Kyral | I'm "And Friends"?! | 06:04 |
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Kyral | j/l | 06:09 |
Kyral | j/k even | 06:09 |
LaserJock | Kyral: worse, I'm not "friends" ;-) | 06:10 |
Kyral | lol | 06:10 |
Kyral | No he named you :P | 06:11 |
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dolson | no, I am losing my powers.. :( | 06:24 |
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dolson | fbond: is the whole dssi thing sorted? is it going to be sync'd? right now there are 6 pkgs in debian that we want that aren't in dapper yet.. of them are dssi stuff | 07:22 |
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dolson | :( I can sketch movie frames faster than Thoggen can encode them | 07:51 |
minghua | lol | 07:59 |
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raphink | mooh | 08:08 |
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ajmitch_ | raphink: well said | 08:09 |
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raphink | ajmitch_: I had planned to wake up in 2 hours but a friend of mine needed to be taken to the station cause his taxi wouldn't wait :( | 08:09 |
raphink | so I'm kind of O_O | 08:10 |
ajmitch_ | heh | 08:16 |
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tepsipakki | is it possible to scap a package I've sent to REVU? I'd like to start again with the changelog & versioning | 08:49 |
tepsipakki | hmm, maybe that's not necessary | 08:51 |
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raphink | tepsipakki: would you like your package to be nuked? | 09:00 |
tepsipakki | well, it's already at -0ubuntu3, but it should perhaps be 0ubuntu0.3 | 09:00 |
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raphink | oh ok | 09:01 |
raphink | what's the url tepsipakki ? | 09:01 |
tepsipakki | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1555 | 09:01 |
tepsipakki | the latest upload was unclean, that's why there were cruft in diff.gz | 09:01 |
raphink | it doesn't matter much tepsipakki you know | 09:01 |
tepsipakki | ok | 09:02 |
tepsipakki | good | 09:02 |
raphink | tepsipakki: write something about it on REVU | 09:02 |
raphink | and number them 0ubuntu-2.x | 09:02 |
raphink | and ask the uploader to upload it as -0ubuntu1 | 09:02 |
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dholbach | good morning | 09:13 |
Hobbsee | morning dholbach | 09:15 |
dholbach | hey Hobbsee | 09:15 |
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dolson | good morning dholbach | 09:24 |
dholbach | hey dolson | 09:25 |
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raphink | dholbach: could you have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1820 please? | 09:44 |
raphink | thanks dholbach, I'll remove debian/dirs indeed ;) | 10:01 |
dholbach | ok :-) | 10:01 |
raphink | dholbach: just removed debian/dirs :) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1821 :) | 10:12 |
raphink | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1822 should be up soon to be reviewed, too :) | 10:12 |
raphink | dholbach: could you review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1822 too ? | 10:18 |
dholbach | yes, hang on | 10:18 |
raphink | thanks :) | 10:19 |
raphink | this is a first step to including klik in ubuntu :) | 10:19 |
raphink | taking advantage of FUSE in kernel 2.6.15 | 10:19 |
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raphink | thanks for fuseiso dholbach | 10:32 |
dholbach | de rien | 10:32 |
raphink | did you have a look at fusecram too? | 10:34 |
raphink | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1822 | 10:34 |
raphink | dholbach: it's quite the same package, only a different bin | 10:35 |
dholbach | no i didnt | 10:35 |
dholbach | will do later | 10:35 |
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raphink | ok :) | 10:35 |
raphink | hi Tonio_ | 10:35 |
Tonio_ | hi all, hi raphink | 10:37 |
raphink | Tonio_: do you have some time to have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1821 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1822 ? | 10:37 |
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Tonio_ | raphink: at 12 ;) | 10:44 |
raphink | ok thanks | 10:45 |
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viviersf | ogra you aint using the amd64 notebook anymore ? | 11:26 |
siretart | ogra: Happy Birthday! Live long and prosper! :) | 11:26 |
ogra | sure i do ... but not for my main work :) | 11:26 |
ogra | siretart, thanks a lot ... | 11:26 |
ogra | :) | 11:26 |
Yagisan | ogra: your birthday ? congratulations. Get anything nice ? | 11:28 |
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ogra | yes, i got the ltsp initscript handling implemented ;) | 11:28 |
StevenK | (And everyone else. :-) | 11:28 |
ogra | i usually dont get many presents :) | 11:28 |
StevenK | ogra: Who did it for you? :-P | 11:28 |
ogra | StevenK, a guy called ogra ... younger than me ;) | 11:29 |
StevenK | Since what do you want more on your birthday than a slave that can code and point out bugs. | 11:29 |
ogra | i'm just merging yesterdays branch... | 11:29 |
ogra | Yagisan, oh, and my ISP made me the nice present of a broken DSL line ... i'm on ISDN currently | 11:30 |
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Yagisan | ogra: well, it could be worse, you could be on dial-up | 11:31 |
ogra | haha | 11:32 |
Yagisan | ogra: one of the old acoustic coupler modems, max 300 baud - you'd really be flying then ;) | 11:32 |
ogra | luckily ltsp is only scripts ... so my commits are easily to apply ... | 11:33 |
ogra | even 300 baud would work ;) | 11:33 |
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Yagisan | ogra: one day I'd like to re-master the ubuntu cd/dvd to install ltsp by default for myself | 11:35 |
Yagisan | StevenK: the Windows password changing app. It was chntpw in multiverse | 11:36 |
ogra | Yagisan, you just have to call ltsp-build-client in a preseed variable ... | 11:38 |
ogra | its really trivial | 11:38 |
dholbach | raphink: fuse{cram,iso} ready to go | 11:44 |
raphink | dholbach: fuseiso already gone :) | 11:45 |
dholbach | ah right | 11:45 |
raphink | dholbach: you can upload fusecram though :) | 11:45 |
dholbach | can't you upload it? :) | 11:45 |
raphink | sure I can :) | 11:46 |
raphink | uploaded :) | 11:46 |
sivang | mornign all | 11:48 |
raphink | hi sivang | 11:48 |
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Toadstool | morning everybody | 11:49 |
Yagisan | ogra: but I like to make things hard on myself ;) | 11:51 |
ogra | ah, yes, youre member of ubuntu hardened, i forgot :) | 11:51 |
raphink | lol | 11:52 |
raphink | Yagisan: making a hardubuntu script for people migrating from gentoo ? | 11:52 |
Yagisan | ogra: well, technically no - I'm not a member of ubuntu hardened, although I do share many goals with them, and join the BOFS where possible | 12:01 |
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StevenK | Yagisan: Ah hah | 12:05 |
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slomo | happy birthday ogra :) | 12:06 |
spacey | happy birthday! | 12:06 |
Yagisan | StevenK: can I interested you in a hardened ubuntu ? works well. may need non-ubuntu kernel though | 12:07 |
dholbach | could you all please add notes to the packages that were upload already? | 12:07 |
dholbach | in REVU | 12:07 |
dholbach | some are not archived and there is NO note, wether they were uploaded | 12:08 |
tepsipakki | is dpatch the preferred method for add-on patches for packages? | 12:10 |
StevenK | Yagisan: Interest me how? | 12:12 |
Yagisan | tepsipakki: whatever is already used in that package, is the preferred form | 12:12 |
StevenK | I swear MOTU need to take the Hippocratic Oath. | 12:12 |
StevenK | "Above all, do no harm." | 12:13 |
StevenK | "Second, DON'T USE CDBS IN PACKAGES." | 12:13 |
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raphink | StevenK: :p :p | 12:13 |
tepsipakki | yagisan: what if there is only a single patch in debian (ubuntu_patch.diff) and I'd like to add more? | 12:13 |
raphink | this is not the hypocratic oath | 12:13 |
StevenK | dholbach: What for? :-) | 12:13 |
dholbach | StevenK: whinging :) | 12:13 |
Yagisan | StevenK: I read hypocritical oath | 12:14 |
StevenK | dholbach: Bah. | 12:14 |
StevenK | Whinging certainly doesn't mean weeping. | 12:14 |
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StevenK | Yagisan: So chntpw actually works with XP? | 12:15 |
Yagisan | StevenK: hmm, how about a box that needs less security updates, and makes other less severe ? | 12:15 |
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StevenK | Does it use SELinux? | 12:15 |
Yagisan | StevenK: should. Local SAM still uses LANMAN hashes. That can be disabled in W2K3 IIRC | 12:16 |
StevenK | Since I'm interested in that for a firewall. | 12:16 |
Yagisan | StevenK: no | 12:16 |
Yagisan | StevenK: that is ajmitch | 12:16 |
StevenK | Ah | 12:16 |
Yagisan | StevenK: I want someting easier to admin | 12:16 |
Yagisan | StevenK: for non-computer people | 12:16 |
StevenK | Yagisan: Ah, you want a helper/co-consipirator? | 12:17 |
Yagisan | tepsipakki: if the package has no patch system, maybe you should talk to the debian upstream. They get unhappy if you change packaging systems on them | 12:17 |
Yagisan | StevenK: I'm looking more for testers/people to bounce ideas off for an ubuntu varient I've been slowly planning and testing | 12:18 |
tepsipakki | Yagisan: there are no upstream patches (in gtkpod).. just one that changes some ubuntu-specific stuff | 12:18 |
tepsipakki | Yagisan: and I've now modified it to use dpatch, because gtkpod-aac which I'm trying to get ready needs something similar. The previous system doesn't unpatch it, check the diff.gz from gtkpod ;) | 12:19 |
Yagisan | StevenK: some features planned include encrypted swap out of the box, and something along the lines of pax/execsheild. | 12:22 |
StevenK | Yagisan: How long have you been planning this? | 12:22 |
Yagisan | StevenK: 9+ months. But haven't had much time to work on it. Still in planning, and tool selection phase. | 12:23 |
Yagisan | StevenK: I decided to look at userspace first, then tackle the kernel later, as it changes so quickly | 12:24 |
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Yagisan | StevenK: take your time. I'll still be here. I know I have a chance of geting some ideas pushed into main Ubuntu after GCC 4.1 is out | 12:26 |
StevenK | Yagisan: It's more a question of time rather than interest. | 12:27 |
StevenK | Debian, uni, work, family, MOTU stuff ... | 12:27 |
Yagisan | StevenK: well, except for Debian, you describe me | 12:29 |
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dholbach | could somebody please add ideas what to do for Universe Bug Triagers on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay for tomorrow? | 02:02 |
jsgotangco | oh we have a triage fair tommorow? | 02:02 |
dholbach | yeah | 02:02 |
jsgotangco | cool! | 02:02 |
jsgotangco | there's like 1000+ wtf bugs out there | 02:02 |
Nafallo | hmm | 02:03 |
Nafallo | bad day. it's party party tomorrow! :-) | 02:03 |
viviersf | guys | 02:03 |
viviersf | when is all the apps in universe supposed to be in ? | 02:04 |
Nafallo | before FF | 02:04 |
dholbach | Feb 23rd | 02:04 |
viviersf | kk | 02:04 |
viviersf | thx | 02:04 |
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dholbach | So somebody please step up and do it! | 02:07 |
dholbach | :) | 02:07 |
jsgotangco | ok let me struggle first in xchat gnome | 02:07 |
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viviersf | haha dholbach | 02:12 |
viviersf | i actually just asked | 02:12 |
viviersf | cos lots apps which i need are missing :) | 02:12 |
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raphink | Tonio_: hello | 02:21 |
raphink | Tonio_: je suis sous irssi en attendant d'installer gnome et gdm | 02:21 |
Tonio_ | marche aps du tout avec kdm alors ? | 02:23 |
viviersf | 0_o | 02:24 |
viviersf | what language is that | 02:24 |
Toadstool | viviersf: it's french :) | 02:26 |
viviersf | heh | 02:26 |
viviersf | can see im from south africa | 02:26 |
Toadstool | i'm from france, it helps ;) | 02:27 |
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Tonio_ | raphink: pv | 02:57 |
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sealne | what do you do if source for a package extracts to foor_version_subversion? dh_make dosen't like it | 03:11 |
Toadstool | you slap upstream until this is fixed :) | 03:11 |
sealne | alternativly? | 03:11 |
Toadstool | you add a mv in your build-binary rule or something like that I suppose | 03:12 |
allee | sealne: rename the dir; run dh_make; rename back; life with a waring during build | 03:12 |
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sealne | k | 03:13 |
allee | sealne: or rebuild orig.tar with renamed toplevel dir. but note in changelog that you did. | 03:14 |
dholbach | LaserJock_away: thanks for the list you added UbuntuBugDay - but that's more about outdated software, no? we're not merging tomorrow | 03:15 |
Mez | dholbach: ping | 03:15 |
dholbach | Mez: in a meeting, but pong | 03:15 |
Mez | dholbach: after meeting - all the ifolder stuff is in revu now - would you be ok to review for upload ? | 03:16 |
Mez | i really want to get it in before feature freeze | 03:16 |
dholbach | Mez: i'm very busy at the moment | 03:16 |
dholbach | Mez: could you ask somebody else? | 03:16 |
Mez | dholbach: sure | 03:17 |
Mez | anyone else want to review the ifolder stuff for me ? | 03:17 |
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Toadstool | Mez: I can have a look but I can't comment or advocate :) | 03:20 |
Mez | Toadstool are you a MOTU ? | 03:20 |
Toadstool | no :) | 03:21 |
Mez | damn - really looking for MOTU's to look over for advocate so can upload | 03:21 |
Toadstool | it's ifolder3 ? | 03:21 |
Mez | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1796 | 03:22 |
Mez | and | 03:22 |
Mez | simias | 03:22 |
Mez | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1782 | 03:22 |
Mez | and | 03:22 |
Mez | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1777 | 03:22 |
Mez | libflaim | 03:22 |
Mez | and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1781 | 03:22 |
Mez | liblog4net-cil | 03:22 |
Toadstool | Mez: about ifolder3, README.Debian is empty so it can be removed I believe, I think you have to use the ubuntu versionning scheme (XubuntuY), you should use compat 5 too. In your control there's no description. The copyright file is the same as the template, you have to modify it. | 03:26 |
Mez | ah shit - knew I forgot stuff :D | 03:26 |
Mez | lol | 03:26 |
Toadstool | :) | 03:26 |
Mez | and yeah - dont worry about versioning - that's a trivial change | 03:27 |
Toadstool | Mez: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Reviewing <-- this page is really useful to my mind | 03:29 |
Mez | Toadstool, I know how to review packages :D lol | 03:30 |
Mez | I just uploaded the ifolder package without thinking | 03:30 |
Mez | I got it to build and was like "yay - it's done" | 03:30 |
Toadstool | oups sorry :) | 03:30 |
Toadstool | i'm kinda new here, so... ^^ | 03:31 |
Mez | lol - don't worry :D | 03:33 |
Mez | everyone's new at some point | 03:33 |
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Toadstool | there should be markers in front of the nicks : he is a MOTU, he is an idiot who try to teach a MOTU how to review packages although he's never done it before, etc. :D | 03:40 |
Toadstool | *tries | 03:40 |
Mez | Toadstool, don't beat yourself up :D | 03:40 |
Mez | Toadstool, usually you can tell if someones a motu or neearly a motu) by their hostmask | 03:41 |
Mez | [Mez] (n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez): Martin Meredith | 03:41 |
Toadstool | yes but that time i didn't check | 03:41 |
Toadstool | that's really funny :) | 03:41 |
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Mez | *shrugs* | 03:42 |
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Amaranth | Mez: but i'm not motu | 03:46 |
Amaranth | [Amaranth] (n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth): Travis Watkins | 03:46 |
Tonio_ | Mez: I revued, but, I'm really confused, you might work a bit more on it... http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1796 | 03:47 |
Mez | Amaranth, which is why I said "usually" | 03:47 |
Amaranth | hehe | 03:47 |
Mez | Tonio_, lol - it was more of a "yay it's packaged - wuick upload before it breaks! | 03:48 |
Mez | and Tonio_ I dont like cdbs :D | 03:48 |
Tonio_ | Mez: I can understand that, but anyway, packages on revuare supposed to be finalized versions....... | 03:49 |
Tonio_ | we have so many packages to advocate before the freeze.... | 03:49 |
Mez | lol - yeah | 03:49 |
Tonio_ | Mez: I wouldn't give a no because of cdbs | 03:49 |
Mez | can you look at the others (dont worry about versioning in simias - I realised my mistake after upload - and well - hehe ... er ... | 03:50 |
Mez | it's a 13 Mb upload :D | 03:50 |
Mez | I'd rather not upload again | 03:50 |
Mez | re-uploading ifolder :D | 03:51 |
Tonio_ | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1777 I'm revying this | 03:51 |
Mez | ah yes :D | 03:51 |
Mez | libflaim | 03:51 |
Mez | how fun | 03:51 |
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redisdead | hi | 04:02 |
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Gloubiboulga | hi redisdead | 04:04 |
redisdead | what should I do if I've found a missing dependency on linux-image-2.6.15* in dapper ? | 04:09 |
redisdead | mail the maintener ? | 04:09 |
Mez | Tonio_, there is no homepage for it | 04:10 |
Mez | well | 04:10 |
Mez | there mught be | 04:10 |
Mez | but not anything anyones going to be interested in | 04:10 |
Tonio_ | Mez: okay, no pb, the homepage isn't a requirement anyway :) | 04:10 |
Mez | and i swear i changed the GPL-2 thign | 04:11 |
Tonio_ | if the package was okay, and without an homepage, I would have given a yes anyway | 04:11 |
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Mez | Tonio_, re-dputting | 04:15 |
ogra | redisdead, file a bug | 04:17 |
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allee | Mez: homepage may change suddenly valueable during dapper lifetime. I would suggest to always add it. In case the nothing useful use kde-apps page if it's registered there. | 04:18 |
Mez | allee: this is a library released by novell | 04:19 |
Mez | the closest it has to a homepage is this: http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/project/?flaim | 04:19 |
allee | I tought no forge can be slower than sf. I'm was wrong | 04:21 |
Mez | lol | 04:22 |
allee | Gateway timeout :( Anyway if it's be best URL to get infos about flaim, I would add it. If there nothing better not our fault, otherwise user wastes time searching for something useful on the net | 04:23 |
Mez | there's seriosuly nothing ueful there though | 04:25 |
allee | Mez: Feel free to disagree. It's just IMHO. or Homepage: http://nothing.us/eful/out/there ;) | 04:26 |
Mez | lol | 04:26 |
sealne | it does appear to be the first relevant hit on google tho | 04:26 |
Mez | then why list it | 04:26 |
sealne | why not list it? | 04:27 |
sealne | :) | 04:28 |
Mez | because - it's not a "homepage" | 04:29 |
sealne | it describes it, links to download and documentation what more do you want? | 04:30 |
Mez | Tonio_, those packages re-uploaded to revu | 04:30 |
Mez | sealne, a homepage rather than somethign that was set up just cause it has to be for the Svn | 04:31 |
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sealne | hmm | 04:31 |
allee | Mez: I interpret homepage as 'best place to get started about this software'. don't remember which pkg but I used once kde-apps.org because it was more useful (and the is a link to homepage) | 04:36 |
allee | + is in kde-apps. | 04:37 |
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Kyral | hey dholbach | 04:45 |
Tonio_ | Mez: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1796 should I revu that upload ? | 04:45 |
dholbach | Kyral: hey | 04:45 |
Tonio_ | hi dholbach ;) | 04:45 |
dholbach | hey Tonio_ :) | 04:45 |
Kyral | mmm Xgl + Compiz | 04:46 |
dholbach | MOTUScience people: I think the list on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay is not suitable for a bug day | 04:46 |
Mez | Tonio_, no - http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1829 | 04:46 |
Tonio_ | Mez: ah okay, I was confused ;) | 04:47 |
Mez | lol :D | 04:47 |
dholbach | Please try to think of something to add there for the MOTU team: remember, when we're in FeatureFreeze, we'll work solely on bugs and if people want to help out tomorrow, they'll probably get a good deal done. | 04:47 |
Kyral | Oh that reminds me | 04:48 |
Kyral | anyone wanna upload that patch I made to configure-debian? | 04:48 |
Kyral | Malone 31594 | 04:51 |
Ubugtu | malone bug 31594 in configure-debian "Desktop and .menu files use su instead of sudo" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/31594 | 04:51 |
dholbach | Kyral: is that really an issue? Didn't we add a patch which makes use of sudo, if configured like that? | 04:52 |
Kyral | I guess nto | 04:52 |
Kyral | because it still opens a term asking for the Root Password | 04:52 |
dholbach | (not in configure-debian) | 04:53 |
dholbach | is that only the text maybe? | 04:53 |
Kyral | I found that it calls "su-to-root" | 04:53 |
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dholbach | oh well... dunno exactly | 04:54 |
dholbach | I'm out for a walk | 04:54 |
dholbach | see you | 04:54 |
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Tonio_ | Mez: much better ;) Anyway, I'm a bit embarassed that you didn't put a Copyright section with year etc.... | 05:08 |
Mez | where? | 05:09 |
Tonio_ | in debian/copyright | 05:09 |
Mez | oh | 05:09 |
Mez | yeah | 05:09 |
Mez | lol | 05:09 |
Tonio_ | hum | 05:09 |
Tonio_ | why are you using "copyright holder" and not "upstream author + copyright" ? is there a specific reason I'm missing ? | 05:10 |
Mez | I couldnt remember the years | 05:10 |
Mez | cause Novell holds the copyright ... | 05:10 |
Mez | specifically | 05:10 |
Mez | for ANTHING in that package | 05:10 |
Tonio_ | Mez: okay | 05:11 |
Mez | (they have liek - special things in place) | 05:11 |
Tonio_ | no pb so ;) | 05:11 |
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raphink | siretart: am I able to create accounts on REVU ? | 05:14 |
raphink | siretart: and if so, where do I get the key? | 05:14 |
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siretart | raphink: accounts are create automatically on first upload. use 'revu-key import <keyid>' do add new keys to the keyring | 05:16 |
raphink | siretart: ok thanks | 05:16 |
siretart | raphink: you can do it manually as well, using the scripts, but usually, I'm too lazy for that ;) | 05:16 |
raphink | siretart: so I just use revu-key with the key id right? | 05:17 |
Mez | siretart - yeah - but accounts are created with random passwords - it's a nnoying | 05:17 |
Mez | rpahink revu-key import <keyid> | 05:17 |
raphink | yes Mez | 05:17 |
raphink | passwords can be changed later on | 05:17 |
siretart | Mez: oh, you can change them using scripts/alter_user.py | 05:18 |
siretart | the plan is to authenticate against launchpad anyway | 05:18 |
Mez | siretart: wish I'd know that - I went in and modified the DB directly ;) | 05:18 |
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siretart | Mez: the script doesn't do anything different either | 05:21 |
Mez | LOL | 05:21 |
sebest_ | siretart, i did an upload to change the name of the source package | 05:36 |
sebest_ | for the package libapache2-mod-dnssd -> mod-dnssd | 05:36 |
sebest_ | is it possible to remove "libapache2-mod-dnssd" from revu and replace it? | 05:36 |
LaserJock_away | away | 05:42 |
LaserJock | dholbach: ping? | 05:42 |
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lucas | LaserJock: I've improved mdt so that it can display the number of bugs reported in the debian BTS | 05:54 |
lucas | see http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/ruby-packages.html | 05:54 |
lucas | I'll do the same for ubuntu bugs, but it's going to be harder | 05:54 |
LaserJock | lucas: I've wanted to do it for ubuntu for quite some time | 05:55 |
LaserJock | lucas: I don't know if you can outside of xmlrpc | 05:55 |
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lucas | you can always flood launchpad with requests | 05:56 |
LaserJock | I have ;-) maybe not flooded, but I've asked a few times anyway | 05:57 |
LaserJock | lucas: thanks for the Debian bugs though, that rocks | 05:57 |
lucas | no I mean | 05:57 |
lucas | it's scriptable, but you have to fetch a lot of pages | 05:58 |
lucas | there's https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bugs-text | 05:58 |
lucas | and https://launchpad.net/bugs/3204/+text | 05:58 |
Ubugtu | malone bug 3204 in flashplugin-nonfree "Font missing after breezy upgrade !" [Normal,Fix released] | 05:58 |
lucas | but it doesn't scale well | 05:58 |
LaserJock | lucas: do you know if mdt is installed on tiber? | 05:59 |
lucas | you can install it in your home | 05:59 |
lucas | but there's no debian package yet | 05:59 |
LaserJock | well, i host all the files on tiber so it would be quite convinient to have it there but I just scp over right now so no biggie | 06:00 |
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LaserJock_away | bb in a bit | 06:05 |
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sealne | anyone know what the FreeBSD license is in relation to a program being released under that? | 06:14 |
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koke | http://192.168.45.43/~koke/dh-support.png | 06:17 |
koke | doh! | 06:17 |
koke | not here :) | 06:17 |
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sealne | ah, they helpfully refer to it as copyright on the freebsd website | 06:21 |
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dholbach | LaserJock_away: pong | 06:46 |
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LaserJock | dholbach: the list is right, that is all the science related packages with bugs | 06:55 |
LaserJock | dholbach: I didn't take their "status" into account | 06:56 |
dholbach | ok | 06:57 |
LaserJock | I got a head start the other day and closed bugsx's only bug so I can take it off the list though :-) | 06:59 |
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jpatrick | why can't http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1634 go on ppc? | 07:17 |
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lucas | dholbach: could you install libopenssl-ruby1.8 on tiber ? | 07:42 |
dholbach | lucas: no, because I'm not an admin. | 07:42 |
lucas | ah | 07:42 |
lucas | any tiber admin around ? | 07:42 |
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lucas | ah, LP down | 07:49 |
lucas | at least it's not my script's fault :-) | 07:49 |
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xerox_ | Hi. | 08:15 |
xerox_ | Is here the right place to ask about packaging? | 08:16 |
xerox_ | I wonder about libsvg-cairo. | 08:16 |
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LaserJock | xerox_: what about it? | 08:17 |
xerox_ | I can't find it anywhere. I'm looking forward to find it or package it somehow. | 08:17 |
LaserJock | xerox_: honestly, I don't know anything about it. | 08:21 |
LaserJock | xerox_: but you might be better off asking #ubuntu-devel if it is being work on or something like that. | 08:22 |
apachelogger | jpatrick: voil http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1831 | 08:22 |
xerox_ | LaserJock: thanks for the information. | 08:23 |
jpatrick | great, something to do... | 08:23 |
apachelogger | aye, diff missing | 08:23 |
jpatrick | apachelogger: that is a native package | 08:23 |
apachelogger | woooh, I hate that package | 08:23 |
jpatrick | rename tarball to .orig.tar.gz | 08:24 |
apachelogger | jpatrick: actually that's probably with debian dir in | 08:24 |
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jpatrick | hate it when they do that | 08:25 |
apachelogger | actually the package itself is quite broken | 08:25 |
apachelogger | at least one file appears twice | 08:25 |
jpatrick | :/ | 08:26 |
apachelogger | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8750 | 08:27 |
apachelogger | is it allowed to repack the upstream in that case? | 08:27 |
jpatrick | untar | 08:29 |
jpatrick | hello seth | 08:30 |
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jpatrick | apachelogger: did you your debian/ into the tarball? | 08:35 |
apachelogger | hm? | 08:35 |
apachelogger | just uploaded a fixed version | 08:35 |
jpatrick | I see it | 08:36 |
apachelogger | ah, there it is :-) | 08:37 |
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jpatrick | btw why is ${misc:Depends} necessary? | 08:38 |
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apachelogger | probably isn't needed | 08:39 |
jpatrick | that's a lot of build-deps... | 08:39 |
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jpatrick | you'll only need 'cdbs, debhelper (>= 5.0.0), kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.2.3), libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.2.3)' | 08:40 |
apachelogger | nope | 08:40 |
apachelogger | the compat is totally needed | 08:40 |
apachelogger | doesen't compile without | 08:40 |
apachelogger | and autoconf, automake1.9, autotools-dev are needed because I have to rebuild the Makefiles | 08:40 |
jpatrick | ah right | 08:41 |
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seth | jpatrick, um, you're supposed to include the kdepot patch for generating the .pot files... we've been patching stuff for months to include that patch in everything KDE | 08:44 |
jpatrick | seth: I know | 08:44 |
seth | mmkay | 08:45 |
apachelogger | jpatrick: libtool isn't needed? | 08:45 |
jpatrick | probably not | 08:45 |
jpatrick | seth: I thought kde.mk did it on it's own | 08:45 |
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seth | jpatrick, only if you have a really new admin/ dir | 08:46 |
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seth | it won't go away :'( | 08:46 |
seth | blast you laboratory | 08:46 |
Kyral | I hate C | 08:46 |
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seth | well, you can't use words like "compile" or "cheese" without the letter C, Kyral | 08:47 |
sealne | seth: tried bleech? :) | 08:47 |
jpatrick | C++ is what I do | 08:47 |
Kyral | Damn segfaults | 08:47 |
seth | sealne, bleach would smell worse than the stuff staining my hands, I think :P | 08:47 |
Kyral | jpatrick: wanna look at my homework and tell me why the goddamn thing is segfaulting? | 08:47 |
jpatrick | where can I find it? | 08:47 |
Kyral | gimme a sec | 08:47 |
Kyral | jpatrick: azuredream.homelinux.org/clarkson | 08:48 |
Kyral | The problem seems to be in the second iteration of the Add member function. First time it works, second time it SegFaults | 08:49 |
jpatrick | huzzah! powered by ubuntu | 08:49 |
Kyral | Its out of my production box | 08:50 |
jpatrick | Add() line 44? | 08:50 |
Kyral | yah | 08:50 |
Kyral | bool Add( const string ) | 08:51 |
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Kyral | and no complaing about the horrible use of Vectors and Arrays | 08:52 |
LaserJock | seth: you just need to be a physical chemist like me, then you don't have to worry about those nasty chemicals ;-) | 08:52 |
seth | LaserJock, I'm no kind of chemist, hence I hate chem labs ;) | 08:53 |
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seth | give me a nice biological sciences lab | 08:53 |
seth | tasty | 08:53 |
LaserJock | Pchem lab is the bomb ;-) sometimes literally | 08:53 |
seth | haha | 08:53 |
seth | I have to take that eventually... that or quantitative | 08:54 |
seth | this is OChem II right now | 08:54 |
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LaserJock | quant is really boring, titrate this, titrate that. Pchemis a lot more calculations | 08:54 |
LaserJock | and by calculations I mean like Quantum and hard calculations | 08:55 |
jpatrick | Kyral: How do I get it to segfault? | 08:55 |
Kyral | Try adding something to the set twice | 08:55 |
Kyral | so run through, create a Set, then Add to it, then again | 08:55 |
jpatrick | ok, I'm adding strings not segfaulting tho | 08:56 |
Kyral | ....why... | 08:56 |
jpatrick | reached max size | 08:57 |
Kyral | jpatrick: what is your GCC? | 08:57 |
Kyral | what command did you use to compile it? | 08:57 |
Kyral | MaxSize should be set at 100 | 08:57 |
Toadstool | Kyral: hum it's weird it throws std::bad_alloc when trying to add the first item of a set... | 08:57 |
Kyral | ....this is funky | 08:57 |
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Kyral | Okay, GCC versions please :D | 08:58 |
jpatrick | Kyral: '4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.0.1-4ubuntu9)' Command: 'g++ -o setadt setadt.cpp' | 08:58 |
Kyral | okay... | 08:58 |
Kyral | I'm on 4.0.2 | 08:58 |
Kyral | wait | 08:58 |
Kyral | 4.0.3 | 08:58 |
Kyral | I'll try to compile with GCC 3.4 | 08:59 |
jpatrick | Breezy's one | 08:59 |
Kyral | Yah I'm on Dapper | 08:59 |
Toadstool | amd64, gcc 4.0.1-4ubuntu9 'g++ -o setadt setadt.cpp' for me | 08:59 |
jpatrick | I'm on i386 | 08:59 |
Kyral | This would be FUNNKY if it doesn't compile well with the latest GCC | 09:00 |
Kyral | so I am, | 09:00 |
Toadstool | let's try with a dapper i386 chroot... | 09:00 |
LaserJock | lol, i686-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1 (GCC) 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5250) | 09:00 |
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Toadstool | :) | 09:00 |
Kyral | hold on, lemme try this | 09:00 |
Kyral | ouch maxsize stuff | 09:01 |
jpatrick | <- gone to Kubuntu meeting | 09:01 |
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Kyral | Okay....vector.reserve() sets the SIZE of the vector right? | 09:01 |
Kyral | so if I give it vector.reserve( 100 ) the vector should be able to hold 100 elements | 09:02 |
Kyral | Time for annoying extra couts | 09:02 |
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Toadstool | Kyral: now with gcc 4.0.2-9ubuntu1 in a dapper i386 chroot I get the maxsize thing | 09:06 |
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Ramunas | hello | 09:16 |
LaserJock | hi Ramunas | 09:17 |
Ramunas | i just wanted to ask one question: why Opera isnt in the Repositories ? | 09:18 |
Ramunas | its free, and it works fine on ubuntu | 09:18 |
tiCo89 | its NOT free | 09:18 |
ogra | its not under a free redistribution license | 09:18 |
Ramunas | tiCo89 it is | 09:18 |
Ramunas | ah | 09:18 |
ogra | its only cost free | 09:18 |
tiCo89 | Ramunas: is there source code available? | 09:18 |
Ramunas | so its only free for using | 09:18 |
tiCo89 | Ramunas: read the DFSG (debian free software guidelines) | 09:19 |
tiCo89 | then you know what "free" means | 09:19 |
tiCo89 | DFSG is the best opensource definition | 09:19 |
tiCo89 | it's a defacto standard | 09:19 |
ogra | tiCo89, we can also ship nonfree bits in multiverse ... but they need at least a license that permits free redistribution | 09:19 |
tiCo89 | but it is in debian-unofficial.org (should work on ubuntu as well) | 09:20 |
ogra | i.e. we ship squeak ... debian will never do that | 09:20 |
apachelogger | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1833 is someone wanna review it | 09:20 |
ogra | (its under an apple license) | 09:20 |
LaserJock | lol, and we ship non-free docs but that is a seperate issue ;-) | 09:21 |
jpatrick | apachelogger: kinda busy right now ;) | 09:21 |
apachelogger | ic ;-) | 09:22 |
jpatrick | ogra: is it necessary to have admin status at motu at LP? | 09:22 |
ogra | jpatrick, not really ... thats historically based ... | 09:22 |
ogra | and i'm to lazy to remove admin status from everyone :) | 09:23 |
jpatrick | :) | 09:23 |
LaserJock | speaking of motu LP, did you guys see my -motu mail about the poll? | 09:24 |
jpatrick | I did (I think) | 09:25 |
Ramunas | i have a cool package suggestion | 09:25 |
LaserJock | I had hoped to have some "real" MOTUs look it over before it went active | 09:25 |
Ramunas | xmoto , its a cool elasto mania clone | 09:25 |
LaserJock | Ramunas: you might want to check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates | 09:26 |
Ramunas | k thanks :) | 09:27 |
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Kyral | okay I seemed to fix most things | 09:29 |
Kyral | but does vector.erase() also shift things back? | 09:30 |
Kyral | ie I remove element 3 (out of 5) | 09:30 |
Kyral | does it shift the elements... | 09:30 |
Ramunas | ok thanks for you answers people, cya | 09:33 |
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LaserJock | I'm wondering how I reconfigure locales | 09:34 |
StevenK | dpkg-reconfigure locales ? | 09:35 |
LaserJock | StevenK: do you know which package has dpkg-reconfigure? | 09:35 |
LaserJock | for some reason I don't have it | 09:36 |
LaserJock | ah, found it debconf | 09:38 |
Kyral | Got it working kinda.../ | 09:39 |
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marcin` | raphink: ping | 09:41 |
LaserJock | hmm, reconfigure locales didn't fix my problem | 09:42 |
apachelogger | marcin`: he's currently busy with holding a meeting | 09:43 |
LaserJock | where would I set LC_ALL ? | 09:46 |
dholbach | LC_ALL=C some_command | 09:47 |
LaserJock | dholbach: hmm, the locale settings seem to be messed up in my dapper chroot. Perl keeps complaining | 09:47 |
dholbach | oh, hm | 09:47 |
marcin` | apachelogger: do you know when he could be available here? | 09:48 |
apachelogger | might take some time, quite long agenda | 09:49 |
LaserJock | dholbach: I keep getting http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8755 | 09:50 |
dholbach | hm | 09:50 |
marcin` | apachelogger: ok I'l try later | 09:50 |
apachelogger | yup | 09:50 |
LaserJock | dholbach: I'm just wondering if it is a real problem or if it is just me. | 09:51 |
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ogra | LaserJock, its because the chrott picks up your system locale settings and the locale isnt installed in yur chroot ... | 09:53 |
LaserJock | ogra: ahhh | 09:53 |
ogra | just ignore it | 09:54 |
ogra | or set LC_ALL=C before chrooting | 09:54 |
LaserJock | ogra: hmm, that worked at least. | 09:57 |
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Kyral | Booyah | 10:09 |
Kyral | Got it done :D | 10:09 |
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dholbach | Any ideas on tasks for MOTU HUG DAY? | 10:19 |
LaserJock | hmm, maybe having people who aren't necessarily good at fixing bugs (like me) go through the untriaged and unassigned lists | 10:20 |
dholbach | Yeah, I hope a lot of Bug Triagers will help out there. | 10:21 |
LaserJock | dholbach: so should all bugs on universe pacakges be assigned to MOTU? | 10:23 |
dholbach | no | 10:23 |
dholbach | in the meeting we decided to subscribe motu | 10:24 |
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LaserJock | individuals and teams should be assign to themselves then? | 10:24 |
dholbach | once they *really want to work on it* | 10:25 |
dholbach | before, we should subscribe people | 10:25 |
slomo_ | would it be possible to get MOTU as default subscriber for all bugs not in main? | 10:26 |
LaserJock | seems like it should be | 10:27 |
LaserJock | so when does the HUG Day offically begin? | 10:30 |
Hobbsee | LaserJock: it's in all timezones, so probably around 10 hours ago.. | 10:31 |
LaserJock | Hobbsee: ah, thanks | 10:33 |
LaserJock | it's only 13:35 on the 16th here | 10:34 |
marcin` | what is HUG day? | 10:41 |
Hobbsee | 8.43am on the 17th here | 10:43 |
dholbach | marcin`: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHugDay | 10:43 |
dholbach | It's a good way to get started on contributing. | 10:44 |
dholbach | and some are already in #ubuntu-bugs | 10:44 |
Psi-Jack | Is there a basic k/ubuntu packaging guide? I need to re-familiarize myself with .deb packaging. | 10:50 |
marcin` | dholbach: "This page does not exist yet." :) | 10:50 |
dolson | Psi-Jack: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003&page=1&pp=10 | 10:50 |
dholbach | marcin`: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay | 10:50 |
dholbach | oops :) | 10:50 |
dolson | Psi-Jack: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ | 10:51 |
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LaserJock | Psi-Jack: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu and doc.ubuntu.com | 10:51 |
Psi-Jack | Wow. ;) | 10:51 |
Psi-Jack | I'm about to be working on Seveas' little skype-dsp-hijacker, to config-ize it. And then start working on making lexmark printer drivers into debs. ;) | 10:52 |
Toadstool | I thought DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_DEBIAN_CONTROL with cdbs was evil but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu clearly advises to use it... isn't it a reject case in NEW ? | 11:07 |
dholbach | good night guys! | 11:07 |
Toadstool | gn8 dholbach | 11:08 |
LaserJock | Toadstool: looks like it on http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html | 11:08 |
Toadstool | yep, I've just checked that | 11:09 |
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LaserJock | hi ajmitch_ | 11:18 |
ajmitch_ | hi | 11:19 |
LaserJock | dolson: ping? | 11:20 |
dolson | LaserJock: battlepong | 11:20 |
LaserJock | dolson: you wanted a sync of alsa-tools and alsa-tools-gui? | 11:21 |
dolson | yes please | 11:21 |
dolson | and slime and freewheeling | 11:21 |
dolson | and dssi* :) | 11:22 |
LaserJock | dolson: in your comment you said it wasn't in dapper, but 1.0.10-1 is. are you looking for a newer version? | 11:22 |
dolson | it is now? | 11:22 |
LaserJock | apparently it was on 12/21/05 | 11:24 |
dolson | LaserJock: what apt sources do I need? | 11:25 |
LaserJock | dapper | 11:25 |
dolson | I am in dapper | 11:25 |
LaserJock | universe | 11:26 |
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dolson | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse | 11:26 |
LaserJock | ahhh, just a sec | 11:26 |
LaserJock | dolson: looks like it maybe wasn't building, so the source package is there but no binary packages | 11:28 |
dolson | ah.. not good | 11:28 |
LaserJock | dolson: no, I was wrong. It did build | 11:30 |
dolson | ah.. good | 11:30 |
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LaserJock | dolson: well, honestly I don't know why it wouldn't be in the repos | 11:33 |
LaserJock | any all wise MOTUs around to help ;-) | 11:34 |
LaserJock | ? | 11:34 |
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ajmitch | may I swear & curse? | 11:35 |
LaserJock | ajmitch: you'll do | 11:35 |
ajmitch | looks like I may have a disk failing on my box back in NZ | 11:35 |
ajmitch | it rebooted & failed to come back up properly | 11:35 |
ajmitch | managed to get someone to bring it back, and it had failed fscking /usr/local, and there were disk errors in syslog | 11:36 |
ajmitch | LaserJock: now what was the actual question? | 11:36 |
LaserJock | ok, so alsa-tools built on 2/3 and the binary packages are on LP but they aren't on the repos | 11:36 |
LaserJock | should it take 13 days to reach the repos? | 11:37 |
ajmitch | no | 11:37 |
ajmitch | I blame launchpad | 11:37 |
ajmitch | beagle has the same issue | 11:37 |
dolson | I blame the government | 11:37 |
LaserJock | government == launchpad ;-) | 11:37 |
ajmitch | dolson: the government doesn't control the archive last I saw | 11:37 |
LaserJock | ajmitch: so should I bug #launchpad? | 11:38 |
ajmitch | maybe | 11:38 |
LaserJock | well, I see that Keybuck just uploaded a new version, maybe I should let him know | 11:39 |
ogra | LaserJock, alsa-utils != alsa-tools | 11:42 |
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LaserJock | ogra: doh, just saw that thanks | 11:43 |
ogra | most likely it sits in NEW | 11:43 |
ogra | bug Kamion about it tomorrow to unleash it from the queue | 11:43 |
LaserJock | but it was initially uploaded on 12/21/05 | 11:43 |
LaserJock | that's an awful long time to sit in NEW | 11:43 |
LaserJock | anyway, that is probably it | 11:43 |
LaserJock | I guess | 11:43 |
ogra | i dont know if he has an opportunity to see whats in the queue | 11:44 |
ogra | so it might need someone asking him to release it there :) | 11:44 |
Psi-Jack | Curious. For indexing purposes, do deb packages have keywords that can be described to them for searching? | 11:44 |
ajmitch | there are a few things in the queue | 11:44 |
dolson | Psi-Jack: yes, in the control file | 11:46 |
dolson | Psi-Jack: the description is searchable with apt-cache and synaptic | 11:47 |
Psi-Jack | dolson: And Adept, too, yes. I'm wondering. A lot of people are running to alternative means to install codecs. Would making all codec-related packages, use such a keyword to help make them easier to find not suit that purpose? :) | 11:47 |
dolson | Psi-Jack: alternative to what exactly? I would think that apt-cache search codecs should return any results in the repositories that I would be interested in. is that not the case? | 11:49 |
Psi-Jack | dolson: I'm not seein theora, xvid, ffmpeg, or any of some of the major codecs by that method, no. | 11:53 |
dolson | I see | 11:54 |
Psi-Jack | Is that a good point? :) | 11:54 |
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dolson | sure.. I guess. I don't know, I just install w32codecs and mplayer and pretty much everything just works | 11:58 |
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ogra | just install gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse and gstreamer0.10-plugins-base | 12:00 |
ogra | ;) | 12:01 |
dolson | I did that last night | 12:01 |
dolson | haven't tried it yet | 12:01 |
ogra | should work fine ... | 12:01 |
ogra | 0.10 is a lot better ... | 12:02 |
dolson | that freakin WMV warning message is annoying as all getup | 12:02 |
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