[12:04] <sistpoty> bbl
[12:04] <ajmitch_> sigh, Xgl died *again*
[12:08] <ajmitch_> ok, f-spot UVF exception requested
[12:08] <ajmitch_> we'll see if this one goes through
[12:08] <ajmitch_> it's probably about 2K under the size limit
[12:09] <ajmitch_> ah no, only 32K
[12:11] <marcin`> errrr I'll get mad....
[12:12] <marcin`> what can I do when dpkg says: Not replacing deleted config file /usr/share/.... ?
[12:12] <marcin`> how can I force dpkg to reinstall this file?
[12:14] <ajmitch_> ah, there's a --force-confmiss option or similar
[12:15] <marcin`> ajmitch_: didn't work
[12:15] <sistpoty> stupid glx... doesn't want to respect my improvement *G*
[12:16] <ajmitch_> marcin`: I said 'or similar', my memory is lacking here
[12:16] <marcin`> ajmitch_: your memory is propably ok because dpkg accepted this option
[12:17] <marcin`> ajmitch_: although it's true that I cannot see this option in --help or man dpkg ;/
[12:18] <marcin`> ajmitch_: ok worked.. I had to purge remove package
[12:18] <marcin`> ajmitch_: and then install package with --force-confmiss
[12:18] <raphink> sistpoty: got my name called?
[12:18] <marcin`> ajmitch_: btw what is the cause of this error? "Not replacing deleted config file" ?
[12:19] <raphink> sistpoty: I agree that holding a 3-people MOTU meeting is not the best way to have democratic choices taken
[12:19] <sistpoty> raphink: we were just discussing if a wiki-page is the best thing to handle the workflow
[12:20] <raphink> sure
[12:20] <dholbach> what do you think about an announce on the mailing list and a launchpad poll?
[12:20] <raphink> too bad there wasn't anyone to discuss that earlier during the meeting
[12:20] <sistpoty> raphink: would you mind if we do the vote again?
[12:20] <raphink> I don't mind sistpoty
[12:20] <raphink> sistpoty: but then let's do as dholbach proposes
[12:20] <sistpoty> hehe, just wanted to write that *G*
[12:20] <sistpoty> who will create the poll?
[12:20] <raphink> sistpoty: doing it here unofficially wouldn't be fair after "officially" voting during the meeting
[12:21] <sistpoty> yes
[12:21] <ajmitch_> dholbach: it's fine if people take part ;)
[12:21] <ajmitch_> dholbach: the meeting time only had 2 votes, last I heard
[12:21] <raphink> ajmitch_: can't be much worse than the number of votes we got during the meeting
[12:22] <raphink> ajmitch_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/MOTU_2006-02-15
[12:22] <dholbach> don't be so pessimistic
[12:22] <raphink> ajmitch_: just so you can see how alone we felt in the end ;)
[12:22] <ajmitch_> I read through the meeting scrollback
[12:22] <raphink> ok
[12:23] <sistpoty> hehe, the raphink and sistpoty meeting :)
[12:23] <ajmitch_> dholbach: I'm a realist, we've gotr ahistory of noone speaking up :)
[12:23] <raphink> sistpoty: I'll blame nobody, since I often leave meetings in the middle myself
[12:23] <sistpoty> he, and I tend to miss TB/CC meetings
[12:23] <raphink> hehe
[12:24] <dholbach> ajmitch_: but that's not how teams and pioneer atmosphere works
[12:25] <ajmitch_> dholbach: I know, and that's a problem
[12:25] <LaserJock> i've got so much freaking paperwork I'm floating in and out. Stupid laser saftey and travel forms  :\
[12:46] <sistpoty> bbl
[12:50] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: it worked?
[12:50] <sistpoty> xserver-xgl? yes
[12:51] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: but my fix to fix the colors of xosview? no :(
[12:51] <ajmitch_> Riddell: btw, I wish I'd gotten some of those  specially sabdfl-signed kubuntu cds ;)
[12:51] <ajmitch_> I can't recall if I managed to score some kubuntu cds or not
[12:52] <Riddell> ajmitch_: I can sign a Kubuntu CD and send it to you if you want
[12:52] <sistpoty> ok, /me is off again... cya
[12:52] <ajmitch_> Riddell: though it'd costa a lot to send to NZ
[12:54] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: is that AU to NZ?
[12:55] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: yes, caused by someone downloading stuff
[12:55] <ajmitch_> usually it's ~80ms
[01:04] <dholbach> good night
[01:04] <LaserJock> cya dholbach
[01:04] <dholbach> night LaserJock
[02:32] <Yagisan> StevenK: ping
[02:33] <Yagisan> StevenK: n/m - see you at lunch
[02:35] <robertj> hey all, I've got a simple little package I made, and it is oh-so-humble. Can someone take a look at it and rip me a new one ;) It builds under the pbuilder and lintian doesn't complain. Can anone take a look and offer some pointers to a first-timer?
[02:46] <Hobbsee> robertj: would help if you gave a link to it :P
[02:49] <robertj> Hobbsee, http://www.music.uga.edu/wip/packages/
[02:51] <sistpoty> hi again
[02:55] <sistpoty> ping ajmitch_
[03:03] <bmonty> evening everyone
[03:03] <crimsun> evening bmonty
[03:04] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: yes?
[03:05] <LaserJock_away> nick LaserJock
[03:06] <LaserJock> darn / ;-)
[03:06] <LaserJock> hi bmonty
[03:07] <LaserJock> sistpoty: do you know if mdt is installed on tiber?
[03:08] <bmonty> hey LaserJock
[03:08] <bmonty> I've been out of touch for awhile...is there a list we are tracking who is doing what with unmet deps?  I found the list of packages that need work
[03:09] <Toadstool> hi again MOTUs
[03:09] <LaserJock> bmonty: well, after today's MOTU meeting we started a list at MOTU/WorkInProgress
[03:09] <Toadstool> how's the REVU day going ? :)
[03:10] <bmonty> ok
[03:11] <bmonty> LaserJock: you are MOTU now?
[03:12] <LaserJock> bmonty: I tried yesterday, but nobody who had sponsored my uploads were there so the deferred me to next TB meeting
[03:12] <bmonty> LaserJock: ahhh...I know that feeling :(
[03:13] <LaserJock> bmonty: I think everybody has been work on cleaning up REVU before FF so I don't know how much unmet deps work has been done
[03:14] <ajmitch_> sistpoty:ICMP ECHO REPLY
[03:14] <Toadstool> :D
[03:14] <bmonty> LaserJock: well I'm going to start working on them :)
[03:22] <bmonty> sistpoty: I'm still working on the LDAP/Kerberos info in the wiki, its taking longer to document than I originally thought
[03:22] <sistpoty> bmonty: ?
[03:23] <bmonty> sistpoty: weren't we talking about single sign on with LDAP and kerberos?
[03:23] <sistpoty> bmonty: no... maybe you mean siretart?
[03:23] <bmonty> sistpoty: possibly, sorry about that :)
[03:24] <sistpoty> np ;)
[03:25] <Toadstool> hi sistpoty !
[03:25] <sistpoty> hi Toadstool
[03:25] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: bah, you pinged, here's another reply :P
[03:25] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: sorry, must have been after my provider forced me to disconnect *g*
[03:25] <ajmitch_> 20min ago :)
[03:25] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: can you add me to the LP motu group? I'd like to setup the poll now
[03:26] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: strange, didn't get a pong... :)
 sistpoty:ICMP ECHO REPLY <-- i think it is a pong ;)
[03:27] <sistpoty> yes... but I guess the packet was lost somewhere at my provider's pppoe srv ;)
[03:27] <Toadstool> damn provider :)
[03:28] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: one moment
[03:28] <ajmitch_> lp name is sistpoty?
[03:29] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: yes
[03:30] <Toadstool> good night everybody
[03:30] <sistpoty> gn8 Toadstool
[03:34] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: thx
[03:34] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: args... seems like normal members of a team can't create a poll :(
[03:35] <ajmitch_> probably not
[03:36] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: can you set me to administrator as well, or can only ogra do that?
[03:36] <ajmitch_> probably just ogra
[03:37] <ajmitch_> it takes 20-30 sec for a page to load
[03:37] <sistpoty> ok... then I'll have to wait
[03:37] <sistpoty> thx for trying ajmitch_ :)
[04:03] <bmonty> good night everyone
[04:15] <Kyral> lol, GPixPod Upstream released a new ver before I could finish packahing this on
[04:16] <ajmitch_> why is that funny?
[04:16] <Kyral> dunno
[04:16] <LaserJock> sistpoty: lol, I could make the poll for you ;-)
[04:16] <Kyral> it amuses me
[04:17] <sistpoty> LaserJock: sure, go ahead :)
[04:18] <LaserJock> sistpoty: really? you wouldn't mind. I don't want to take your poll away from you.
[04:18] <sistpoty> LaserJock: no... actually I had hoped s.o. else would have done it till now :)
[04:21] <sistpoty> ok... /me really needs to go to bed now... gn8 everyone
[04:21] <ajmitch_> night sistpoty
[04:22] <LaserJock> darn
[04:22] <LaserJock> I was going to verify the poll options with him
[04:43] <Kyral> hmm
[04:43] <Kyral> dangit I keep getting those "Script-Not-Executable" things
[04:51] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: can you take a look at https://launchpad.net/people/motu/+poll/motu-workflow
[04:56] <ajmitch_> 'where do we want to force people to go today?' :)
[04:56] <Kyral> Can someone ping me
[04:56] <ajmitch_> you have 'no change', and then 2 options with bugs
[04:58] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: well, the no change wouldn't be forcing anybody to do anything ;-)
[04:58] <Hobbsee> Kyral: ping?
[04:58] <LaserJock> should I make it more clear that it would be a voluntary system?
[04:58] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: I know :)
[04:59] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: sure, but anything in MOTU is essentially voluntary
[04:59] <LaserJock> true
[04:59] <LaserJock> do you understand the options ok, I was at the meeting so I know the discussion behind the options
[05:00] <ajmitch_> I understand, because I read the meeting log
[05:00] <ajmitch_> & I've discussed it here with you
[05:00] <LaserJock> hmm, so maybe I should send an email to -motu announcing the poll with more background
[05:01] <Kyral> Hobbsee: I meant ping literally
[05:02] <Hobbsee> Kyral: oh :(
[05:02] <Kyral> My college net is going wonky
[05:02] <Hobbsee> Kyral: [15:02]  [CTCP]  Received CTCP-PING reply from Kyral: 1 second.  that better?
[05:02] <Kyral> yah
[05:02] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:02] <ajmitch_> Kyral: they're both just irc messages
[05:03] <ajmitch_> so ctcp ping isn't going to be much different
[05:03] <Kyral> ajmitch_: sorry, used to asking for pings to judge lag :P
[05:03] <kreit> can you please confirm that fonts look better in gnome than in kde (clearer, less blurred, antialias)?
[05:03] <ajmitch_> no
[05:04] <kreit> ajmitch_: answering me?
[05:04] <LaserJock> kreit: I don't think I've noticed a difference but I haven't paid much attention to that for a while
[05:04] <ajmitch_> kreit: that would mean I've have to have gnome & kde on the same box & test them both :)
[05:04] <minghua> kreit: using dapper?
[05:04] <kreit> minghua: no, why?
[05:05] <kreit> ajmitch_: no, just gtk and qt :)
[05:05] <ajmitch_> & some applications properly configured to test them
[05:06] <kreit> ajmitch_: yes
[05:06] <minghua> kreit: because there's something wrong with dapper's fonts right now, but since you are not, it doesn't matter
[05:06] <kreit> however, is it unanimously believed that open office antialias is terrible?
[05:06] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: so does the poll have sufficient options do you think? Would you like to add any more?
[05:07] <LaserJock> hi minghua
[05:07] <minghua> evening LaserJock
[05:11] <kreit> i mean i don't remember to have ever enjoyed working in open office as i enjoy working in abiword. abiword has a very nice antialias, while openoffice's's blured.
[05:11] <kreit> s/open\ office/openoffice/
[05:12] <kreit> s/blurred/blured/
[05:14] <LaserJock> umm, openoffice vs. abiword isn't kde vs. gnome, I don't think
[05:18] <kreit> LaserJock: didn't connect them. i know openoffice is not connected to kde.
[05:25] <dolson> man, that whole time I was in the wrong channel
[05:34] <Kyral> Malone 31594
[05:34] <Ubugtu> malone bug 31594 in configure-debian "Desktop and .menu files use su instead of sudo" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31594
[05:34] <Kyral> A Debian Native package
[05:35] <Kyral> if I fix it, it will add to the Delta
[05:37] <Kyral> oh well :D
[05:44] <Kyral> good lord my Hackergotchi needs work
[05:46] <LaserJock> Kyral: better than mine ;-)
[05:47] <Kyral> lol
[05:47] <Kyral> okay I attached the debdiff anyone wanna upload it?
[05:50] <Kyral> ;P
[06:00] <Kyral> hey seth
[06:03] <LaserJock> hi seth
[06:03] <seth> hi LaserJock and friends
[06:04] <Kyral> *twitch*
[06:04] <Kyral> I'm "And Friends"?!
[06:09] <Kyral> j/l
[06:09] <Kyral> j/k even
[06:10] <LaserJock> Kyral: worse, I'm not "friends" ;-)
[06:10] <Kyral> lol
[06:11] <Kyral> No he named you :P
[06:24] <dolson> no, I am losing my powers.. :(
[07:22] <dolson> fbond: is the whole dssi thing sorted? is it going to be sync'd? right now there are 6 pkgs in debian that we want that aren't in dapper yet..  of them are dssi stuff
[07:51] <dolson> :( I can sketch movie frames faster than Thoggen can encode them
[07:59] <minghua> lol
[08:08] <raphink> mooh
[08:09] <ajmitch_> raphink: well said
[08:09] <raphink> ajmitch_: I had planned to wake up in 2 hours but a friend of mine needed to be taken to the station cause his taxi wouldn't wait :(
[08:10] <raphink> so I'm kind of O_O
[08:16] <ajmitch_> heh
[08:49] <tepsipakki>  is it possible to scap a package I've sent to REVU? I'd like to start again with the changelog & versioning
[08:51] <tepsipakki> hmm, maybe that's not necessary
[09:00] <raphink> tepsipakki: would you like your package to be nuked?
[09:00] <tepsipakki> well, it's already at -0ubuntu3, but it should perhaps be 0ubuntu0.3
[09:01] <raphink> oh ok
[09:01] <raphink> what's the url tepsipakki ?
[09:01] <tepsipakki> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1555
[09:01] <tepsipakki> the latest upload was unclean, that's why there were cruft in diff.gz
[09:01] <raphink> it doesn't matter much tepsipakki you know
[09:02] <tepsipakki> ok
[09:02] <tepsipakki> good
[09:02] <raphink> tepsipakki: write something about it on REVU
[09:02] <raphink> and number them 0ubuntu-2.x
[09:02] <raphink> and ask the uploader to upload it as -0ubuntu1
[09:13] <dholbach> good morning
[09:15] <Hobbsee> morning dholbach
[09:15] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[09:24] <dolson> good morning dholbach
[09:25] <dholbach> hey dolson
[09:44] <raphink> dholbach: could you have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1820 please?
[10:01] <raphink> thanks dholbach, I'll remove debian/dirs indeed ;)
[10:01] <dholbach> ok :-)
[10:12] <raphink> dholbach: just removed debian/dirs :) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1821 :)
[10:12] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1822 should be up soon to be reviewed, too :)
[10:18] <raphink> dholbach: could you review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1822 too ?
[10:18] <dholbach> yes, hang on
[10:19] <raphink> thanks :)
[10:19] <raphink> this is a first step to including klik in ubuntu :)
[10:19] <raphink> taking advantage of FUSE in kernel 2.6.15
[10:32] <raphink> thanks for fuseiso dholbach
[10:32] <dholbach> de rien
[10:34] <raphink> did you have a look at fusecram too?
[10:34] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1822
[10:35] <raphink> dholbach: it's quite the same package, only a different bin
[10:35] <dholbach> no i didnt
[10:35] <dholbach> will do later
[10:35] <raphink> ok :)
[10:35] <raphink> hi Tonio_
[10:37] <Tonio_> hi all, hi raphink
[10:37] <raphink> Tonio_: do you have some time to have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1821 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1822 ?
[10:44] <Tonio_> raphink: at 12 ;)
[10:45] <raphink> ok thanks
[11:26] <viviersf> ogra you aint using the amd64 notebook anymore ?
[11:26] <siretart> ogra: Happy Birthday! Live long and prosper! :)
[11:26] <ogra> sure i do ... but not for my main work :)
[11:26] <ogra> siretart, thanks a lot ...
[11:26] <ogra> :)
[11:28] <Yagisan> ogra: your birthday ? congratulations. Get anything nice ?
[11:28] <ogra> yes, i got the ltsp initscript handling implemented ;)
[11:28] <StevenK> (And everyone else. :-)
[11:28] <ogra> i usually dont get many presents :)
[11:28] <StevenK> ogra: Who did it for you? :-P
[11:29] <ogra> StevenK, a guy called ogra ... younger than me ;)
[11:29] <StevenK> Since what do you want more on your birthday than a slave that can code and point out bugs.
[11:29] <ogra> i'm just merging yesterdays branch...
[11:30] <ogra> Yagisan, oh, and my ISP made me the nice present of a broken DSL line ... i'm on ISDN currently
[11:31] <Yagisan> ogra: well, it could be worse, you could be on dial-up
[11:32] <ogra> haha
[11:32] <Yagisan> ogra: one of the old acoustic coupler modems, max 300 baud - you'd really be flying then ;)
[11:33] <ogra> luckily ltsp is only scripts ... so my commits are easily to apply ...
[11:33] <ogra> even 300 baud would work ;)
[11:35] <Yagisan> ogra: one day I'd like to re-master the ubuntu cd/dvd to install ltsp by default for myself
[11:36] <Yagisan> StevenK: the Windows password changing app. It was chntpw in multiverse
[11:38] <ogra> Yagisan, you just have to call ltsp-build-client in a preseed variable ...
[11:38] <ogra> its really trivial
[11:44] <dholbach> raphink: fuse{cram,iso} ready to go
[11:45] <raphink> dholbach: fuseiso already gone :)
[11:45] <dholbach> ah right
[11:45] <raphink> dholbach: you can upload fusecram though :)
[11:45] <dholbach> can't you upload it? :)
[11:46] <raphink> sure I can :)
[11:46] <raphink> uploaded :)
[11:48] <sivang> mornign all
[11:48] <raphink> hi sivang
[11:49] <Toadstool> morning everybody
[11:51] <Yagisan> ogra: but I like to make things hard on myself ;)
[11:51] <ogra> ah, yes, youre member of ubuntu hardened, i forgot :)
[11:52] <raphink> lol
[11:52] <raphink> Yagisan: making a hardubuntu script for people migrating from gentoo ?
[12:01] <Yagisan> ogra: well, technically no - I'm not a member of ubuntu hardened, although I do share many goals with them, and join the BOFS where possible
[12:05] <StevenK> Yagisan: Ah hah
[12:06] <slomo> happy birthday ogra :)
[12:06] <spacey> happy birthday!
[12:07] <Yagisan> StevenK: can I interested you in a hardened ubuntu ? works well. may need non-ubuntu kernel though
[12:07] <dholbach> could you all please add notes to the packages that were upload already?
[12:07] <dholbach> in REVU
[12:08] <dholbach> some are not archived and there is NO note, wether they were uploaded
[12:10] <tepsipakki> is dpatch the preferred method for add-on patches for packages?
[12:12] <StevenK> Yagisan: Interest me how?
[12:12] <Yagisan> tepsipakki: whatever is already used in that package, is the preferred form
[12:12] <StevenK> I swear MOTU need to take the Hippocratic Oath.
[12:13] <StevenK> "Above all, do no harm."
[12:13] <StevenK> "Second, DON'T USE CDBS IN PACKAGES."
[12:13] <raphink> StevenK: :p :p
[12:13] <tepsipakki> yagisan: what if there is only a single patch in debian (ubuntu_patch.diff) and I'd like to add more?
[12:13] <raphink> this is not the hypocratic oath
[12:13] <StevenK> dholbach: What for? :-)
[12:13] <dholbach> StevenK: whinging :)
[12:14] <Yagisan> StevenK: I read hypocritical oath
[12:14] <StevenK> dholbach: Bah.
[12:14] <StevenK> Whinging certainly doesn't mean weeping.
[12:15] <StevenK> Yagisan: So chntpw actually works with XP?
[12:15] <Yagisan> StevenK: hmm, how about a box that needs less security updates, and makes other less severe ?
[12:15] <StevenK> Does it use SELinux?
[12:16] <Yagisan> StevenK: should. Local SAM still uses LANMAN hashes. That can be disabled in W2K3 IIRC
[12:16] <StevenK> Since I'm interested in that for a firewall.
[12:16] <Yagisan> StevenK: no
[12:16] <Yagisan> StevenK: that is ajmitch
[12:16] <StevenK> Ah
[12:16] <Yagisan> StevenK: I want someting easier to admin
[12:16] <Yagisan> StevenK: for non-computer people
[12:17] <StevenK> Yagisan: Ah, you want a helper/co-consipirator?
[12:17] <Yagisan> tepsipakki: if the package has no patch system, maybe you should talk to the debian upstream. They get unhappy if you change packaging systems on them
[12:18] <Yagisan> StevenK: I'm looking more for testers/people to bounce ideas off for an ubuntu varient I've been slowly planning and testing
[12:18] <tepsipakki> Yagisan: there are no upstream patches (in gtkpod).. just one that changes some ubuntu-specific stuff
[12:19] <tepsipakki> Yagisan: and I've now modified it to use dpatch, because gtkpod-aac which I'm trying to get ready needs something similar. The previous system doesn't unpatch it, check the diff.gz from gtkpod ;)
[12:22] <Yagisan> StevenK: some features planned include encrypted swap out of the box, and something along the lines of pax/execsheild.
[12:22] <StevenK> Yagisan: How long have you been planning this?
[12:23] <Yagisan> StevenK: 9+ months. But haven't had much time to work on it. Still in planning, and tool selection phase.
[12:24] <Yagisan> StevenK: I decided to look at userspace first, then tackle the kernel later, as it changes so quickly
[12:26] <Yagisan> StevenK: take your time. I'll still be here. I know I have a chance of geting some ideas pushed into main Ubuntu after GCC 4.1 is out
[12:27] <StevenK> Yagisan: It's more a question of time rather than interest.
[12:27] <StevenK> Debian, uni, work, family, MOTU stuff ...
[12:29] <Yagisan> StevenK: well, except for Debian, you describe me
[02:02] <dholbach> could somebody please add ideas what to do for Universe Bug Triagers on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay for tomorrow?
[02:02] <jsgotangco> oh we have a triage fair tommorow?
[02:02] <dholbach> yeah
[02:02] <jsgotangco> cool!
[02:02] <jsgotangco> there's like 1000+ wtf bugs out there
[02:03] <Nafallo> hmm
[02:03] <Nafallo> bad day. it's party party tomorrow! :-)
[02:03] <viviersf> guys
[02:04] <viviersf> when is all the apps in universe supposed to be in ?
[02:04] <Nafallo> before FF
[02:04] <dholbach> Feb 23rd
[02:04] <viviersf> kk
[02:04] <viviersf> thx
[02:07] <dholbach> So somebody please step up and do it!
[02:07] <dholbach> :)
[02:07] <jsgotangco> ok let me struggle first in xchat gnome
[02:12] <viviersf> haha dholbach
[02:12] <viviersf> i actually just asked
[02:12] <viviersf> cos lots apps which i need are missing :)
[02:21] <raphink> Tonio_: hello
[02:21] <raphink> Tonio_: je suis sous irssi en attendant d'installer gnome et gdm
[02:23] <Tonio_> marche aps du tout avec kdm alors ?
[02:24] <viviersf> 0_o
[02:24] <viviersf> what language is that
[02:26] <Toadstool> viviersf: it's french :)
[02:26] <viviersf> heh
[02:26] <viviersf> can see im from south africa
[02:27] <Toadstool> i'm from france, it helps ;)
[02:57] <Tonio_> raphink: pv
[03:11] <sealne> what do you do if source for a package extracts to foor_version_subversion? dh_make dosen't like it
[03:11] <Toadstool> you slap upstream until this is fixed :)
[03:11] <sealne> alternativly?
[03:12] <Toadstool> you add a mv in your build-binary rule or something like that I suppose
[03:12] <allee> sealne: rename the dir; run dh_make; rename back; life with a waring during build
[03:13] <sealne> k
[03:14] <allee> sealne: or rebuild orig.tar with renamed toplevel dir.  but note in changelog that you did.
[03:15] <dholbach> LaserJock_away: thanks for the list you added UbuntuBugDay - but that's more about outdated software, no? we're not merging tomorrow
[03:15] <Mez> dholbach: ping
[03:15] <dholbach> Mez: in a meeting, but pong
[03:16] <Mez> dholbach: after meeting - all the ifolder stuff is in revu now - would you be ok to review for upload ?
[03:16] <Mez> i really want to get it in before feature freeze
[03:16] <dholbach> Mez: i'm very busy at the moment
[03:16] <dholbach> Mez: could you ask somebody else?
[03:17] <Mez> dholbach: sure
[03:17] <Mez> anyone else want to review the ifolder stuff for me ?
[03:20] <Toadstool> Mez: I can have a look but I can't comment or advocate :)
[03:20] <Mez> Toadstool are you a MOTU ?
[03:21] <Toadstool> no :)
[03:21] <Mez> damn - really looking for MOTU's to look over for advocate so can upload
[03:21] <Toadstool> it's ifolder3 ?
[03:22] <Mez> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1796
[03:22] <Mez> and
[03:22] <Mez> simias
[03:22] <Mez> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1782
[03:22] <Mez> and
[03:22] <Mez> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1777
[03:22] <Mez> libflaim
[03:22] <Mez> and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1781
[03:22] <Mez> liblog4net-cil
[03:26] <Toadstool> Mez: about ifolder3, README.Debian is empty so it can be removed I believe, I think you have to use the ubuntu versionning scheme (XubuntuY), you should use compat 5 too. In your control there's no description. The copyright file is the same as the template, you have to modify it.
[03:26] <Mez> ah shit - knew I forgot stuff :D
[03:26] <Mez> lol
[03:26] <Toadstool> :)
[03:27] <Mez> and yeah - dont worry about versioning - that's a trivial change
[03:29] <Toadstool> Mez: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Reviewing <-- this page is really useful to my mind
[03:30] <Mez> Toadstool, I know how to review packages :D lol
[03:30] <Mez> I just uploaded the ifolder package without thinking
[03:30] <Mez> I got it to build and was like "yay - it's done"
[03:30] <Toadstool> oups sorry :)
[03:31] <Toadstool> i'm kinda new here, so... ^^
[03:33] <Mez> lol - don't worry :D
[03:33] <Mez> everyone's new at some point
[03:40] <Toadstool> there should be markers in front of the nicks : he is a MOTU, he is an idiot who try to teach a MOTU how to review packages although he's never done it before, etc. :D
[03:40] <Toadstool> *tries
[03:40] <Mez> Toadstool, don't beat yourself up :D
[03:41] <Mez> Toadstool, usually you can tell if someones a motu or neearly a motu) by their hostmask
[03:41] <Mez> [Mez]  (n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez): Martin Meredith
[03:41] <Toadstool> yes but that time i didn't check
[03:41] <Toadstool> that's really funny :)
[03:42] <Mez> *shrugs*
[03:46] <Amaranth> Mez: but i'm not motu
[03:46] <Amaranth> [Amaranth]  (n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth): Travis Watkins
[03:47] <Tonio_> Mez: I revued, but, I'm really confused, you might work a bit more on it... http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1796
[03:47] <Mez> Amaranth, which is why I said "usually"
[03:47] <Amaranth> hehe
[03:48] <Mez> Tonio_, lol - it was more of a "yay it's packaged - wuick upload before it breaks!
[03:48] <Mez> and Tonio_ I dont like cdbs :D
[03:49] <Tonio_> Mez: I can understand that, but anyway, packages on revuare supposed to be finalized versions.......
[03:49] <Tonio_> we have so many packages to advocate before the freeze....
[03:49] <Mez> lol - yeah
[03:49] <Tonio_> Mez: I wouldn't give a no because of cdbs
[03:50] <Mez> can you look at the others (dont worry about versioning in simias - I realised my mistake after upload - and well - hehe ... er ...
[03:50] <Mez> it's a 13 Mb upload :D
[03:50] <Mez> I'd rather not upload again
[03:51] <Mez> re-uploading ifolder :D
[03:51] <Tonio_> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1777 I'm revying this
[03:51] <Mez> ah yes :D
[03:51] <Mez> libflaim
[03:51] <Mez> how fun
[04:02] <redisdead> hi
[04:04] <Gloubiboulga> hi redisdead
[04:09] <redisdead> what should I do if I've found a missing dependency on linux-image-2.6.15* in dapper ?
[04:09] <redisdead> mail the maintener ?
[04:10] <Mez> Tonio_, there is no homepage for it
[04:10] <Mez> well
[04:10] <Mez> there mught be
[04:10] <Mez> but not anything anyones going to be interested in
[04:10] <Tonio_> Mez: okay, no pb, the homepage isn't a requirement anyway :)
[04:11] <Mez> and i swear i changed the GPL-2 thign
[04:11] <Tonio_> if the package was okay, and without an homepage, I would have given a yes anyway
[04:15] <Mez> Tonio_, re-dputting
[04:17] <ogra> redisdead, file a bug
[04:18] <allee> Mez: homepage may change suddenly valueable during dapper lifetime.  I would suggest to always add it. In case the nothing useful  use kde-apps page if it's registered there.
[04:19] <Mez> allee: this is a library released by novell
[04:19] <Mez> the closest it has to a homepage is this: http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/project/?flaim
[04:21] <allee> I tought no forge can be slower than sf.  I'm was wrong
[04:22] <Mez> lol
[04:23] <allee> Gateway timeout :(   Anyway if it's be best URL to get infos about flaim, I would add it.  If there nothing better not our fault, otherwise user wastes time searching for something useful on the net
[04:25] <Mez> there's seriosuly nothing ueful there though
[04:26] <allee> Mez: Feel free to disagree. It's just IMHO.  or  Homepage: http://nothing.us/eful/out/there ;)
[04:26] <Mez> lol
[04:26] <sealne> it does appear to be the first relevant hit on google tho
[04:26] <Mez> then why list it
[04:27] <sealne> why not list it?
[04:28] <sealne> :)
[04:29] <Mez> because  - it's not a "homepage"
[04:30] <sealne> it describes it, links to download and documentation what more do you want?
[04:30] <Mez> Tonio_, those packages re-uploaded to revu
[04:31] <Mez> sealne, a homepage rather than somethign that was set up just cause it has to be for the Svn
[04:31] <sealne> hmm
[04:36] <allee> Mez: I interpret homepage as 'best place to get started about this software'.  don't remember which pkg but I used once kde-apps.org because it was more useful (and the is a link to homepage)
[04:37] <allee> + is in kde-apps.
[04:45] <Kyral> hey dholbach
[04:45] <Tonio_> Mez: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1796 should I revu that upload ?
[04:45] <dholbach> Kyral: hey
[04:45] <Tonio_> hi dholbach ;)
[04:45] <dholbach> hey Tonio_ :)
[04:46] <Kyral> mmm Xgl + Compiz
[04:46] <dholbach> MOTUScience people: I think the list on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay is not suitable for a bug day
[04:46] <Mez> Tonio_, no - http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1829
[04:47] <Tonio_> Mez: ah okay, I was confused ;)
[04:47] <Mez> lol :D
[04:47] <dholbach> Please try to think of something to add there for the MOTU team: remember, when we're in FeatureFreeze, we'll work solely on bugs and if people want to help out tomorrow, they'll probably get a good deal done.
[04:48] <Kyral> Oh that reminds me
[04:48] <Kyral> anyone wanna upload that patch I made to configure-debian?
[04:51] <Kyral> Malone 31594
[04:51] <Ubugtu> malone bug 31594 in configure-debian "Desktop and .menu files use su instead of sudo" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31594
[04:52] <dholbach> Kyral: is that really an issue? Didn't we add a patch which makes use of sudo, if configured like that?
[04:52] <Kyral> I guess nto
[04:52] <Kyral> because it still opens a term asking for the Root Password
[04:53] <dholbach> (not in configure-debian)
[04:53] <dholbach> is that only the text maybe?
[04:53] <Kyral> I found that it calls "su-to-root"
[04:54] <dholbach> oh well... dunno exactly
[04:54] <dholbach> I'm out for a walk
[04:54] <dholbach> see you
[05:08] <Tonio_> Mez: much better ;) Anyway, I'm a bit embarassed that you didn't put a Copyright section with year etc....
[05:09] <Mez> where?
[05:09] <Tonio_> in debian/copyright
[05:09] <Mez> oh
[05:09] <Mez> yeah
[05:09] <Mez> lol
[05:09] <Tonio_> hum
[05:10] <Tonio_> why are you using "copyright holder" and not "upstream author + copyright" ? is there a specific reason I'm missing ?
[05:10] <Mez> I couldnt remember the years
[05:10] <Mez> cause Novell holds the copyright ...
[05:10] <Mez> specifically
[05:10] <Mez> for ANTHING in that package
[05:11] <Tonio_> Mez: okay
[05:11] <Mez> (they have liek - special things in place)
[05:11] <Tonio_> no pb so ;)
[05:14] <raphink> siretart: am I able to create accounts on REVU ?
[05:14] <raphink> siretart: and if so, where do I get the key?
[05:16] <siretart> raphink: accounts are create automatically on first upload. use 'revu-key import <keyid>' do add new keys to the keyring
[05:16] <raphink> siretart: ok thanks
[05:16] <siretart> raphink: you can do it manually as well, using the scripts, but usually, I'm too lazy for that ;)
[05:17] <raphink> siretart: so I just use revu-key with the key id right?
[05:17] <Mez> siretart - yeah - but accounts are created with random passwords - it's a nnoying
[05:17] <Mez> rpahink revu-key import <keyid>
[05:17] <raphink> yes Mez
[05:17] <raphink> passwords can be changed later on
[05:18] <siretart> Mez: oh, you can change them using scripts/alter_user.py
[05:18] <siretart> the plan is to authenticate against launchpad anyway
[05:18] <Mez> siretart: wish I'd know that - I went in and modified the DB directly ;)
[05:21] <siretart> Mez: the script doesn't do anything different either
[05:21] <Mez> LOL
[05:36] <sebest_> siretart, i did an upload to change the name of the source package
[05:36] <sebest_> for the package libapache2-mod-dnssd -> mod-dnssd
[05:36] <sebest_> is it possible to remove "libapache2-mod-dnssd" from revu and replace it?
[05:42] <LaserJock_away> away
[05:42] <LaserJock> dholbach: ping?
[05:54] <lucas> LaserJock: I've improved mdt so that it can display the number of bugs reported in the debian BTS
[05:54] <lucas> see http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/ruby-packages.html
[05:54] <lucas> I'll do the same for ubuntu bugs, but it's going to be harder
[05:55] <LaserJock> lucas: I've wanted to do it for ubuntu for quite some time
[05:55] <LaserJock> lucas: I don't know if you can outside of xmlrpc
[05:56] <lucas> you can always flood launchpad with requests
[05:57] <LaserJock> I have ;-) maybe not flooded, but I've asked a few times anyway
[05:57] <LaserJock> lucas: thanks for the Debian bugs though, that rocks
[05:57] <lucas> no I mean
[05:58] <lucas> it's scriptable, but you have to fetch a lot of pages
[05:58] <lucas> there's https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bugs-text
[05:58] <lucas> and https://launchpad.net/bugs/3204/+text
[05:58] <Ubugtu> malone bug 3204 in flashplugin-nonfree "Font missing after breezy upgrade !" [Normal,Fix released] 
[05:58] <lucas> but it doesn't scale well
[05:59] <LaserJock> lucas: do you know if mdt is installed on tiber?
[05:59] <lucas> you can install it in your home
[05:59] <lucas> but there's no debian package yet
[06:00] <LaserJock> well, i host all the files on tiber so it would be quite convinient to have it there but I just scp over right now so no biggie
[06:05] <LaserJock_away> bb in a bit
[06:14] <sealne> anyone know what the FreeBSD license is in relation to a program being released under that?
[06:17] <koke> http://192.168.45.43/~koke/dh-support.png
[06:17] <koke> doh!
[06:17] <koke> not here :)
[06:21] <sealne> ah, they helpfully refer to it as copyright on the freebsd website
[06:46] <dholbach> LaserJock_away: pong
[06:55] <LaserJock> dholbach: the list is right, that is all the science related packages with bugs
[06:56] <LaserJock> dholbach: I didn't take their "status" into account
[06:57] <dholbach> ok
[06:59] <LaserJock> I got a head start the other day and closed bugsx's only bug so I can take it off the list though :-)
[07:17] <jpatrick> why can't http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1634 go on ppc?
[07:42] <lucas> dholbach: could you install libopenssl-ruby1.8 on tiber ?
[07:42] <dholbach> lucas: no, because I'm not an admin.
[07:42] <lucas> ah
[07:42] <lucas> any tiber admin around ?
[07:49] <lucas> ah, LP down
[07:49] <lucas> at least it's not my script's fault :-)
[08:15] <xerox_> Hi.
[08:16] <xerox_> Is here the right place to ask about packaging?
[08:16] <xerox_> I wonder about libsvg-cairo.
[08:17] <LaserJock> xerox_: what about it?
[08:17] <xerox_> I can't find it anywhere.  I'm looking forward to find it or package it somehow.
[08:21] <LaserJock> xerox_: honestly, I don't know anything about it.
[08:22] <LaserJock> xerox_: but you might be better off asking #ubuntu-devel if it is being work on or something like that.
[08:22] <apachelogger> jpatrick: voil http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1831
[08:23] <xerox_> LaserJock: thanks for the information.
[08:23] <jpatrick> great, something to do...
[08:23] <apachelogger> aye, diff missing
[08:23] <jpatrick> apachelogger: that is a native package
[08:23] <apachelogger> woooh, I hate that package
[08:24] <jpatrick> rename tarball to .orig.tar.gz
[08:24] <apachelogger> jpatrick: actually that's probably with debian dir in
[08:25] <jpatrick> hate it when they do that
[08:25] <apachelogger> actually the package itself is quite broken
[08:25] <apachelogger> at least one file appears twice
[08:26] <jpatrick> :/
[08:27] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8750
[08:27] <apachelogger> is it allowed to repack the upstream in that case?
[08:29] <jpatrick> untar
[08:30] <jpatrick> hello seth
[08:35] <jpatrick> apachelogger: did you your debian/ into the tarball?
[08:35] <apachelogger> hm?
[08:35] <apachelogger> just uploaded a fixed version
[08:36] <jpatrick> I see it
[08:37] <apachelogger> ah, there it is :-)
[08:38] <jpatrick> btw why is ${misc:Depends} necessary?
[08:39] <apachelogger> probably isn't needed
[08:39] <jpatrick> that's a lot of build-deps...
[08:40] <jpatrick> you'll only need 'cdbs, debhelper (>= 5.0.0), kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.2.3), libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.2.3)'
[08:40] <apachelogger> nope
[08:40] <apachelogger> the compat is totally needed
[08:40] <apachelogger> doesen't compile without
[08:40] <apachelogger> and autoconf, automake1.9, autotools-dev are needed because I have to rebuild the Makefiles
[08:41] <jpatrick> ah right
[08:44] <seth> jpatrick, um, you're supposed to include the kdepot patch for generating the .pot files... we've been patching stuff for months to include that patch in everything KDE
[08:44] <jpatrick> seth: I know
[08:45] <seth> mmkay
[08:45] <apachelogger> jpatrick: libtool isn't needed?
[08:45] <jpatrick> probably not
[08:45] <jpatrick> seth: I thought kde.mk did it on it's own
[08:46] <seth> jpatrick, only if you have a really new admin/ dir
[08:46] <seth> it won't go away :'(
[08:46] <seth> blast you laboratory
[08:46] <Kyral> I hate C
[08:47] <seth> well, you can't use words like "compile" or "cheese" without the letter C, Kyral
[08:47] <sealne> seth: tried bleech? :)
[08:47] <jpatrick> C++ is what I do
[08:47] <Kyral> Damn segfaults
[08:47] <seth> sealne, bleach would smell worse than the stuff staining my hands, I think :P
[08:47] <Kyral> jpatrick: wanna look at my homework and tell me why the goddamn thing is segfaulting?
[08:47] <jpatrick> where can I find it?
[08:47] <Kyral> gimme a sec
[08:48] <Kyral> jpatrick: azuredream.homelinux.org/clarkson
[08:49] <Kyral> The problem seems to be in the second iteration of the Add member function. First time it works, second time it SegFaults
[08:49] <jpatrick> huzzah! powered by ubuntu
[08:50] <Kyral> Its out of my production box
[08:50] <jpatrick> Add() line 44?
[08:50] <Kyral> yah
[08:51] <Kyral> bool Add( const string )
[08:52] <Kyral> and no complaing about the horrible use of Vectors and Arrays
[08:52] <LaserJock> seth: you just need to be a physical chemist like me, then you don't have to worry about those nasty chemicals ;-)
[08:53] <seth> LaserJock, I'm no kind of chemist, hence I hate chem labs ;)
[08:53] <seth> give me a nice biological sciences lab
[08:53] <seth> tasty
[08:53] <LaserJock> Pchem lab is the bomb ;-) sometimes literally
[08:53] <seth> haha
[08:54] <seth> I have to take that eventually... that or quantitative
[08:54] <seth> this is OChem II right now
[08:54] <LaserJock> quant is really boring, titrate this, titrate that. Pchemis a lot more calculations
[08:55] <LaserJock> and by calculations I mean like Quantum and hard calculations
[08:55] <jpatrick> Kyral: How do I get it to segfault?
[08:55] <Kyral> Try adding something to the set twice
[08:55] <Kyral> so run through, create a Set, then Add to it, then again
[08:56] <jpatrick> ok, I'm adding strings not segfaulting tho
[08:56] <Kyral> ....why...
[08:57] <jpatrick> reached max size
[08:57] <Kyral> jpatrick: what is your GCC?
[08:57] <Kyral> what command did you use to compile it?
[08:57] <Kyral> MaxSize should be set at 100
[08:57] <Toadstool> Kyral: hum it's weird it throws std::bad_alloc when trying to add the first item of a set...
[08:57] <Kyral> ....this is funky
[08:58] <Kyral> Okay, GCC versions please :D
[08:58] <jpatrick> Kyral: '4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.0.1-4ubuntu9)' Command: 'g++ -o setadt setadt.cpp'
[08:58] <Kyral> okay...
[08:58] <Kyral> I'm on 4.0.2
[08:58] <Kyral> wait
[08:58] <Kyral> 4.0.3
[08:59] <Kyral> I'll try to compile with GCC 3.4
[08:59] <jpatrick> Breezy's one
[08:59] <Kyral> Yah I'm on Dapper
[08:59] <Toadstool> amd64, gcc 4.0.1-4ubuntu9  'g++ -o setadt setadt.cpp' for me
[08:59] <jpatrick> I'm on i386
[09:00] <Kyral> This would be FUNNKY if it doesn't compile well with the latest GCC
[09:00] <Kyral> so I am,
[09:00] <Toadstool> let's try with a dapper i386 chroot...
[09:00] <LaserJock> lol, i686-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1 (GCC) 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5250)
[09:00] <Toadstool> :)
[09:00] <Kyral> hold on, lemme try this
[09:01] <Kyral> ouch maxsize stuff
[09:01] <jpatrick> <- gone to Kubuntu meeting
[09:01] <Kyral> Okay....vector.reserve() sets the SIZE of the vector right?
[09:02] <Kyral> so if I give it vector.reserve( 100 ) the vector should be able to hold 100 elements
[09:02] <Kyral> Time for annoying extra couts
[09:06] <Toadstool> Kyral: now with gcc 4.0.2-9ubuntu1 in a dapper i386 chroot I get the maxsize thing
[09:16] <Ramunas> hello
[09:17] <LaserJock> hi Ramunas
[09:18] <Ramunas> i just wanted to ask one question: why Opera isnt in the Repositories ?
[09:18] <Ramunas> its free, and it works fine on ubuntu
[09:18] <tiCo89> its NOT free
[09:18] <ogra> its not under a free redistribution license
[09:18] <Ramunas> tiCo89 it is
[09:18] <Ramunas> ah
[09:18] <ogra> its only cost free
[09:18] <tiCo89> Ramunas: is there source code available?
[09:18] <Ramunas> so its only free for using
[09:19] <tiCo89> Ramunas: read the DFSG (debian free software guidelines)
[09:19] <tiCo89> then you know what "free" means
[09:19] <tiCo89> DFSG is the best opensource definition
[09:19] <tiCo89> it's a defacto standard
[09:19] <ogra> tiCo89, we can also ship nonfree bits in multiverse ... but they need at least a license that permits free redistribution
[09:20] <tiCo89> but it is in debian-unofficial.org (should work on ubuntu as well)
[09:20] <ogra> i.e. we ship squeak ... debian will never do that
[09:20] <apachelogger> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1833 is someone wanna review it
[09:20] <ogra> (its under an apple license)
[09:21] <LaserJock> lol, and we ship non-free docs but that is a seperate issue ;-)
[09:21] <jpatrick> apachelogger: kinda busy right now ;)
[09:22] <apachelogger> ic ;-)
[09:22] <jpatrick> ogra: is it necessary to have admin status at motu at LP?
[09:22] <ogra> jpatrick, not really ... thats historically based ...
[09:23] <ogra> and i'm to lazy to remove admin status from everyone :)
[09:23] <jpatrick> :)
[09:24] <LaserJock> speaking of motu LP, did you guys see my -motu mail about the poll?
[09:25] <jpatrick> I did (I think)
[09:25] <Ramunas> i have a cool package suggestion
[09:25] <LaserJock> I had hoped to have some "real" MOTUs look it over before it went active
[09:25] <Ramunas> xmoto , its a cool elasto mania clone
[09:26] <LaserJock> Ramunas: you might want to check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[09:27] <Ramunas> k thanks :)
[09:29] <Kyral> okay I seemed to fix most things
[09:30] <Kyral> but does vector.erase() also shift things back?
[09:30] <Kyral> ie I remove element 3 (out of 5)
[09:30] <Kyral> does it shift the elements...
[09:33] <Ramunas> ok thanks for you answers people, cya
[09:34] <LaserJock> I'm wondering how I reconfigure locales
[09:35] <StevenK> dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
[09:35] <LaserJock> StevenK: do you know which package has dpkg-reconfigure?
[09:36] <LaserJock> for some reason I don't have it
[09:38] <LaserJock> ah, found it debconf
[09:39] <Kyral> Got it working kinda.../
[09:41] <marcin`> raphink: ping
[09:42] <LaserJock> hmm, reconfigure locales didn't fix my problem
[09:43] <apachelogger> marcin`: he's currently busy with holding a meeting
[09:46] <LaserJock> where would I set LC_ALL ?
[09:47] <dholbach> LC_ALL=C some_command
[09:47] <LaserJock> dholbach: hmm, the locale settings seem to be messed up in my dapper chroot. Perl keeps complaining
[09:47] <dholbach> oh, hm
[09:48] <marcin`> apachelogger: do you know when he could be available here?
[09:49] <apachelogger> might take some time, quite long agenda
[09:50] <LaserJock> dholbach: I keep getting http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8755
[09:50] <dholbach> hm
[09:50] <marcin`> apachelogger: ok I'l try later
[09:50] <apachelogger> yup
[09:51] <LaserJock> dholbach: I'm just wondering if it is a real problem or if it is just me.
[09:53] <ogra> LaserJock, its because the chrott picks up your system locale settings and the locale isnt installed in yur chroot ...
[09:53] <LaserJock> ogra: ahhh
[09:54] <ogra> just ignore it
[09:54] <ogra> or set LC_ALL=C before chrooting
[09:57] <LaserJock> ogra: hmm, that worked at least.
[10:09] <Kyral> Booyah
[10:09] <Kyral> Got it done :D
[10:19] <dholbach> Any ideas on tasks for MOTU HUG DAY?
[10:20] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe having people who aren't necessarily good at fixing bugs (like me) go through the untriaged and unassigned lists
[10:21] <dholbach> Yeah, I hope a lot of Bug Triagers will help out there.
[10:23] <LaserJock> dholbach: so should all bugs on universe pacakges be assigned to MOTU?
[10:23] <dholbach> no
[10:24] <dholbach> in the meeting we decided to subscribe motu
[10:24] <LaserJock> individuals and teams should be assign to themselves then?
[10:25] <dholbach> once they *really want to work on it*
[10:25] <dholbach> before, we should subscribe people
[10:26] <slomo_> would it be possible to get MOTU as default subscriber for all bugs not in main?
[10:27] <LaserJock> seems like it should be
[10:30] <LaserJock> so when does the HUG Day offically begin?
[10:31] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: it's in all timezones, so probably around 10 hours ago..
[10:33] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: ah, thanks
[10:34] <LaserJock> it's only 13:35 on the 16th here
[10:41] <marcin`> what is HUG day?
[10:43] <Hobbsee> 8.43am on the 17th here
[10:43] <dholbach> marcin`: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHugDay
[10:44] <dholbach> It's a good way to get started on contributing.
[10:44] <dholbach> and some are already in #ubuntu-bugs
[10:50] <Psi-Jack> Is there a basic k/ubuntu packaging guide? I need to re-familiarize myself with .deb packaging.
[10:50] <marcin`> dholbach: "This page does not exist yet." :)
[10:50] <dolson> Psi-Jack: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003&page=1&pp=10
[10:50] <dholbach> marcin`: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay
[10:50] <dholbach> oops :)
[10:51] <dolson> Psi-Jack: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[10:51] <LaserJock> Psi-Jack: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu and doc.ubuntu.com
[10:51] <Psi-Jack> Wow. ;)
[10:52] <Psi-Jack> I'm about to be working on Seveas' little skype-dsp-hijacker, to config-ize it. And then start working on making lexmark printer drivers into debs. ;)
[11:07] <Toadstool> I thought DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_DEBIAN_CONTROL with cdbs was evil but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu clearly advises to use it... isn't it a reject case in NEW ?
[11:07] <dholbach> good night guys!
[11:08] <Toadstool> gn8 dholbach
[11:08] <LaserJock> Toadstool: looks like it on http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html
[11:09] <Toadstool> yep, I've just checked that
[11:18] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch_
[11:19] <ajmitch_> hi
[11:20] <LaserJock> dolson: ping?
[11:20] <dolson> LaserJock: battlepong
[11:21] <LaserJock> dolson: you wanted a sync of alsa-tools and alsa-tools-gui?
[11:21] <dolson> yes please
[11:21] <dolson> and slime and freewheeling
[11:22] <dolson> and dssi* :)
[11:22] <LaserJock> dolson: in your comment you said it wasn't in dapper, but 1.0.10-1 is. are you looking for a newer version?
[11:22] <dolson> it is now?
[11:24] <LaserJock> apparently it was on 12/21/05
[11:25] <dolson> LaserJock: what apt sources do I need?
[11:25] <LaserJock> dapper
[11:25] <dolson> I am in dapper
[11:26] <LaserJock> universe
[11:26] <dolson> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[11:26] <LaserJock> ahhh, just a sec
[11:28] <LaserJock> dolson: looks like it maybe wasn't building, so the source package is there but no binary packages
[11:28] <dolson> ah.. not good
[11:30] <LaserJock> dolson: no, I was wrong. It did build
[11:30] <dolson> ah.. good
[11:33] <LaserJock> dolson: well, honestly I don't know why it wouldn't be in the repos
[11:34] <LaserJock> any all wise MOTUs around to help ;-)
[11:34] <LaserJock> ?
[11:35] <ajmitch> may I swear & curse?
[11:35] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you'll do
[11:35] <ajmitch> looks like I may have a disk failing on my box back in NZ
[11:35] <ajmitch> it rebooted & failed to come back up properly
[11:36] <ajmitch> managed to get someone to bring it back, and it had failed fscking /usr/local, and there were disk errors in syslog
[11:36] <ajmitch> LaserJock: now what was the actual question?
[11:36] <LaserJock> ok, so alsa-tools built on 2/3 and the binary packages are on LP but they aren't on the repos
[11:37] <LaserJock> should it take 13 days to reach the repos?
[11:37] <ajmitch> no
[11:37] <ajmitch> I blame launchpad
[11:37] <ajmitch> beagle has the same issue
[11:37] <dolson> I blame the government
[11:37] <LaserJock> government == launchpad ;-)
[11:37] <ajmitch> dolson: the government doesn't control the archive last I saw
[11:38] <LaserJock> ajmitch: so should I bug #launchpad?
[11:38] <ajmitch> maybe
[11:39] <LaserJock> well, I see that Keybuck just uploaded a new version, maybe I should let him know
[11:42] <ogra> LaserJock, alsa-utils != alsa-tools
[11:43] <LaserJock> ogra: doh, just saw that thanks
[11:43] <ogra> most likely it sits in NEW
[11:43] <ogra> bug Kamion about it tomorrow to unleash it from the queue
[11:43] <LaserJock> but it was initially uploaded on 12/21/05
[11:43] <LaserJock> that's an awful long time to sit in NEW
[11:43] <LaserJock> anyway, that is probably it
[11:43] <LaserJock> I guess
[11:44] <ogra> i dont know if he has an opportunity to see whats in the queue
[11:44] <ogra> so it might need someone asking him to release it there :)
[11:44] <Psi-Jack> Curious. For indexing purposes, do deb packages have keywords that can be described to them for searching?
[11:44] <ajmitch> there are a few things in the queue
[11:46] <dolson> Psi-Jack: yes, in the control file
[11:47] <dolson> Psi-Jack:  the description is searchable with apt-cache and synaptic
[11:47] <Psi-Jack> dolson: And Adept, too, yes. I'm wondering. A lot of people are running to alternative means to install codecs. Would making all codec-related packages, use such a keyword to help make them easier to find not suit that purpose? :)
[11:49] <dolson> Psi-Jack: alternative to what exactly? I would think that apt-cache search codecs should return any results in the repositories that I would be interested in. is that not the case?
[11:53] <Psi-Jack> dolson: I'm not seein theora, xvid, ffmpeg, or any of some of the major codecs by that method, no.
[11:54] <dolson> I see
[11:54] <Psi-Jack> Is that a good point? :)
[11:58] <dolson> sure.. I guess. I don't know, I just install w32codecs and mplayer and pretty much everything just works
[12:00] <ogra> just install gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse and gstreamer0.10-plugins-base
[12:01] <ogra> ;)
[12:01] <dolson> I did that last night
[12:01] <dolson> haven't tried it yet
[12:01] <ogra> should work fine ...
[12:02] <ogra> 0.10 is a lot better ...
[12:02] <dolson> that freakin WMV warning message is annoying as all getup