=== lionelp_ [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-server === thekurst [n=thekurst@69.57.224.144] has joined #ubuntu-server [12:35] hello? === nictuku [n=yves@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-server === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === nnonix [n=null@t42.bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === RemoteViewer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-server === santy [i=santyzu@200.115.115.97] has joined #ubuntu-server [06:42] HOLA... === santy [i=santyzu@200.115.115.97] has left #ubuntu-server [] === neu [i=nathan@d207-216-204-86.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === oliver_savage [n=oliver_s@64.13.124.16] has joined #ubuntu-server [08:07] Can anyone comment, are there easy to use tools for querying a cgi-bin on a public server? I'm trying to find an applications version number and type? [08:09] oliver_savage: you are asking in the wrong chan really.. [08:09] this is #ubuntu stuff [08:12] okay thanks === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.35] has joined #ubuntu-server === ubijtsa [n=anders@213.208.70.155] has joined #ubuntu-server === spike [n=spike@unaffiliated/spike] has joined #ubuntu-server === LordHunter317 [n=hunter@nat73.vnet.wnec.edu] has joined #ubuntu-server === ubijtsa [n=anders@213.208.70.155] has joined #ubuntu-server === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-server === spike [n=spike@unaffiliated/spike] has joined #ubuntu-server [02:19] anybody here heavily using checkinstall that can comment on its trustiness? [02:19] I guess most of you if not all can do deb packaging, but I'm asking anyway === thekurst [n=thekurst@209.59.66.186] has joined #ubuntu-server === oliver_savage [n=oliver_s@64.13.124.16] has left #ubuntu-server ["Leaving"] === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server === lionelp [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-server === beezly [n=beezly@2001:630:63:16:230:1bff:feb7:2528] has joined #ubuntu-server === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server === dewback [i=fab@pc-165-150-120-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === dewback [i=fab@pc-165-150-120-200.cm.vtr.net] has left #ubuntu-server ["Abandonando"] === hunger [n=tobias@p54A62520.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-server === andriijas [i=saerdna@cust.fiber-lan.vnet.lk.212.214.155.34.visit.se] has joined #ubuntu-server [07:59] how do i change keyboard layout? [08:09] andriijas: in console I assume, loadkeys us [08:13] dpkg-reconfigure console-data [08:13] =) === anto9us [n=anthony@cpc3-ptal1-5-1-cust83.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-server [08:15] oh, that one, sorry :) [08:15] hehe np [08:15] how do i enable framebuffer? [08:19] andriijas: u need the kernel module and vga option at boot time iirc, but I alwasy use my laptop for work, so I never really needed it [08:19] hehe [08:19] ssh'ing from 1280x1024 is just fine :) [08:20] =) [08:20] talking of res, first time I got a box with a radeon, and it's as shit as it was supposed to be :/ [08:20] it just doesnt work :( [08:20] whats the proper line to add to sources.list to install drapper? (its a dev system) [08:21] want to use lighttpd etc === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-241-177.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server [08:23] fabbione: ping [08:25] andriijas: replace breezy with dapper in sources.list [08:27] all this main restritec univese multiverse is confusing me [08:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesCliHowto for example [08:28] theres main restricted [08:28] and theres universe multiverse [08:28] but as i understand it you can add main multiverse universe as well? === ubijtsa2 [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-server === pfp [n=pfp@ZKMMDCCCXXIX.dsl.saunalahti.fi] has joined #ubuntu-server [09:14] whats the difference between installing using default ubuntu inistall cd and selecting server install and using ubuntu-server cd ? === sebest [n=sebest@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === fishdish [n=fishdish@hoas-fe1add00-98.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-server [10:08] andriijas: the server CD will not have the desktop stuff, it will have a tailored kernel for server scenarios etc [10:09] ubijtsa2: but using the default ubuntu cd you can type server [10:09] and it doesnt install desktop stuff [10:09] 'server' there is a misnomere [10:09] okey. thats what i thought =) [10:09] it should probably say "mini" [10:10] time to wget the server cd and burn it then! [10:10] the dedicated server ISO will strip out the desktop stuff to give you more server apps on the CD (if I have understood it right) [10:13] i tried a nighttly dapper server iso, didnt work :) so im going to install breezy server and apt update [10:14] dapper flight3 installs okay [10:15] ubijtsa2: no big difference using breezy and apt upgrade than using flight3 and apt upgrade? [10:15] or does it leave crap on hardrive? [10:15] makes little difference [10:15] what difference?: S [10:16] but I had an 'interesting experience' with breezy->dapper yesterday [10:16] really? i just did it in vmware without trouble [10:16] I finished putting my box together again this morning [10:16] flight3 != ubuntu server [10:17] true :) [10:17] im notusing ubuntu for desktop. only for server=) [10:17] ruby on rails development [10:17] I use kubuntu for both [10:17] the sever kernels aren't tailored either. [10:17] hehe [10:17] they're the exact same kernels you see in APT. [10:17] the only difference is that the installer will kick in an SMP kernel for you. [10:18] and it carries it on the disk, obviously. [10:18] the final ones should be different though, right. HZ and PREEMPT etc [10:18] no. [10:18] they're identical. [10:18] it literally installs the same package-- there is no linux-image-2.6-server or anything like that. [10:19] I was under the impression there'd be a 'server' kernel [10:19] LordHunter317: true [10:19] ubijtsa: why? [10:19] no moment, not a biggie compiling something more server like [10:19] how? [10:19] the default kernel is perfectrly server like. [10:19] LordHunter317: so there is NO difference using server install cd or using default cd using server installation? [10:20] andriijas: only in what's on the disk (i.e., packages you can install from it) and maybe in the kernel it'll install for you at bootup. [10:20] it's not like teh apache package on the server disk is different from the one in the repositories. [10:20] it's purely for installation convience. I wish they'd just release a Debian-like bootstrap cd. [10:20] on a server you usually don't want too high a HZ and you don't want preempt. to small timeslice and you spend more time in scheduler that doing work [10:20] ubijtsa: no, not true. [10:20] than, not that [10:21] I/O bound serving, especially highly-parallel (i.e., java) will benefit immensely from both. [10:21] because I jsut did a clean install via ubuntu default breezy cd and upgraded it to dapper bleeding edge [10:21] as it means less forced kernel interrupts and lower latency. [10:21] hmm. I better tell IBM they taught me wrong then... [10:21] and if theres any difference beeing in the server branch i would rather be in that one [10:21] as a rule, you shouldn't be touching kernel parameters at all until you have a performance problem. [10:21] of course the apache packages are the same [10:22] evne then, recompiling your kernel is usually drastic and not necessary. [10:22] and I should point out to Linus they can strip some settings out of 2.6.15 and later.. [10:22] but i read about central ssl managment etc [10:22] so theres maybe other packages in the server dist [10:22] ubijtsa: such as? [10:22] such as the settings SERVER, WORKSTATION and DESKTOP [10:23] if it don't matter, why have them [10:23] LordHunter317: so what should i do, reinstall with server cd or stick with what i got? [10:23] i'd stick with what you have. [10:23] ubijtsa2: because it can matter in some cases. [10:24] and there are other things to tune that make a big difference. [10:24] killing preempt and HZ aren't two of them, however, usually. [10:24] i'll make execptions for things like Oracle, and even postgresql, on the server, as two big cases. [10:24] high HZ is only needed on a desktop really, to increase apparent responsiveness.. [10:25] ubijtsa: high HZ is almost universally good. [10:25] whats HZ and preempt? [10:25] unless you have some reason to want a short-time slice, i.e., sharing tasks between users. [10:25] on a single-task system, it makes almost no difference, except reducing how often the kernel interrupts. [10:25] which is a good thing for CPU-bound, liekly irrelevant for I/O-bound. === ubijtsa2 will most likely compile own kernel if box is to do something specific.. [10:26] semaphore->P(); [10:27] almost every distributor these deals tells you not to. [10:27] worked well in past, will work well in future, and will keep me up2date on the settings in the kernel [10:27] certainly RH doesnt' want me touching my RHEL boxes without cause. [10:27] ever tried compiling their server kernel? [10:27] yes. [10:27] no wonder they tell you not to [10:28] well, and it makes their job all the harder. [10:28] nightmare I tell you :) [10:28] RH is a pile of poo anyway.. SLES is better if you want to pay lots [10:29] not for the systems I was running. [10:29] It was SGI ProPack or nothing. [10:29] FreeBSD, Debian and Ubuntu if you know what you want [10:29] and you can run HP or stand not being supported. [10:30] what has freebsd to do with this? [10:31] andriijas: being better than RH [10:31] RH=? [10:31] redhat? [10:31] naturally Ubuntu is better than *BSD :) [10:31] da [10:32] i'd hardly say FreeBSD is better than RH. [10:32] i like bsd but i dont like to compile all shit === hunger [n=tobias@p54A6356F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-server [10:32] because i just want a working system to do webdeveloping on [10:32] FreeBSD: Making 4 processors systems act like 1 processor systems since 5.x! [10:33] lighttpd-mod-mysql-vhost wants to install libmysqlclient14 but im using mysql 5.0 would it work anyway you think? [10:34] RedHat: We insult prospective employees as a matter of course, and oh yeah, we make a Linux distro that will make you cry if you spend ten minutes or more using.. [10:34] RH is hardly cry worthy. [10:34] enough trolling already? :P [10:34] fustrating, perhaps. [10:34] but I can think of far worse things. [10:34] HP-UX, AIX, Solaris, Tru64. [10:34] So, we each have favourites and pet hates.. [10:35] andriijas: likely. [10:35] slackware? [10:35] =D [10:35] not done much on Tru64 or HP-UX, cut my teeth on Solaris, but worked with AIX for years [10:35] i dont like RH either. but i dont waste my time flaming it [10:36] Xenix was interesting.. and SCO was...unusual.. [10:38] my biggest grip with RH as of late is the the whole Mono thing. [10:38] especialyl sine as soon as I get this job done, I intend to try Nemerele. === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@dsl-210-15-201-110.QLD.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-server === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-server === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-server