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mhz_cookarkan0x: hey12:40
arkan0xmhz_cook, hi !12:40
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Kamping_Kaiserhm. has anyone else come accross this? install edubuntu -> open synaptic -> click "remove" on cdrom -> click "add" -> ok on next option (main+restricted only) -> edit it. it now is "sections: universe main restricted"02:51
Kamping_KaiserI've had this happen on 2 boxes02:51
ograwhats the "edit it" part about ... what did you edit ?02:52
Kamping_Kaiserogra: you select a repository line to edit, then click edit, and the "edit repository" box that pops up has universe in the "sections" line02:54
Kamping_Kaisersecurity updates did the same thing, but updates didnt02:54
ograthats dapper ? 02:54
ograif so, file a bug on synaptic02:54
Kamping_Kaiserum. Breezy i think02:54
ograyou might file a bug there as well if it doesnt exist yet ... but i doubt it will get fixed in breezy ...02:55
Kamping_Kaiserok. 02:55
mhzogra: could you give me the short version or tell me if it is spectacular? http://ooowiki.de/Writer2MoinMoin03:00
ograit creates moin source from writer docs 03:01
ograits a macro 03:01
mhzyeah, that I know03:01
ograand it can only handle pngs 03:01
mhzbut does it mention like "look here" or "excelent output"03:02
mhzor 99% effectivenes03:02
ogranope 03:02
ograit just explains the basic usage03:02
ograthe four points in the second paragraph explain what doesnt work 03:03
mhzokis03:03
mhzogra: thx03:04
ogranp03:04
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sithimr. ogra please help me04:47
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sithican some body help me please04:57
mhzsithi: shoot your problem and we'll see04:58
mhzsithi: ?04:59
sithii have ubuntu 5.10  with ltsp04:59
mhzok05:00
sithithe thin client (diskless) is booting well05:00
mhzok05:00
sithii had assined the static ip to the client05:00
sithii could very this at the time of booting also05:00
sithibut once i logged in to the gnome, for ifconfig command05:01
sithiit is giving me the server's ip address05:01
sithiwhere did i done the mistake05:01
mhzsithi: The only LTSP I have ever used is Edubuntu's. That means your LTSP config is not similar at all to my ltsp config because we used a very diff approach and structure05:02
mhzsithi: my only advice, and I am very sorry, is you visit #ltsp. They will help lot better than me05:03
sithiok, thanks05:03
mhzsorry05:03
mhzsithi: ogra is sleeping now and I know he has tried normal LTSP before05:04
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punkasshello all, just curious of the status of multimedia on the client machine with ltsp07:16
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tamoiohello all10:18
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jsgotangcoogra: after install it should be runnig already right (the server)10:57
ogranope ...10:57
ograsee the install notes ;)10:58
jsgotangcogyahhh10:58
ograespecially the LTSPServerSetup10:58
jsgotangcowe're sticking with this setup?10:59
ograyup10:59
ografor dapper at least 11:00
ografor dapper+1 we'll have a gui for ltsp :)11:00
ograpeople.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/11:00
jsgotangcothere's no /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf11:01
ograoh ?11:01
jsgotangcoit didnt install dhcp3-server or any dhcp client it seems11:02
jsgotangcoi mean server11:02
ograouch11:02
ograsure you did a default install ?11:03
jsgotangcoyup11:03
jsgotangcoit did a chroot11:03
ograhmpf11:03
ograthat might be caused by the oversizedness ...11:03
ogra+damned 11:04
jsgotangcoltsp-server is installed11:04
jsgotangcook i'll install dhcp3 and see11:04
ogralook for ltsp-server-standalone 11:04
ograthats should be there as well 11:05
jsgotangcoits not installed11:05
ogra(and depends on dhcpd)11:05
ograaha11:05
jsgotangcoltsp-server is though11:05
jsgotangcoshould i install it instead?11:06
ogranope, i'll have to fix the CD ...11:08
jsgotangcook at least you now11:08
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ograwhich is kind of tricky since i cant reach the datacenter 11:08
jsgotangcos/now/know11:08
ograyay, my connection is back they fixed frankfurt :)11:09
jsgotangcook i guess we're cool now, i'm going to focus on the quickguide then11:10
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ograyup, thanks for all the help 11:11
jsgotangcoogra: can you change the icons of ubuntu to edubuntu ? (not now)11:12
jsgotangcoand System -> About Ubuntu to About Edubuntu11:12
jsgotangco?11:12
ograi dont understand the first question ... which icons ? 11:13
jsgotangcomenu bar uses ubuntu icon11:13
ogranot really an issue ... but if i have time left before art freeze i'll think about it ...11:14
ograi'm not sure thats prepared to get exchanged by a foreign package ... might need heavy tweaking11:14
jsgotangcohmmm11:15
jsgotangcohow about ubuntu-docs?11:15
ograwhat shall i do with it ?11:18
jsgotangcoreplace with ours when its ready?11:18
jsgotangcobut that might be asking too much11:19
ograwhen its ready, yes 11:19
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MotherLUGEvening All :D11:20
jsgotangcohi11:20
ograwould also save plenty of space11:23
ograbut we dont have edubuntu-docs yet 11:23
ograhmm... amd64 is oversized by 13MB 11:23
ograthats hard to free up without dropping something essential 11:23
ograhmm ... i wonder how much harm it does to drop tuxpaint-stamps for amd64 for now ...11:24
ograits 15MB on the CD11:24
jsgotangcothe bitmaps?11:25
ogratuxpaint-stamps-defaults ... no idea if this are bitmaps ...11:25
MotherLUGogra, not the tux-paint stamps they are fabulous11:25
jsgotangcoits probably the pictures of birds11:25
jsgotangcoogra: i'm pretty worried about the quickguide in our svn, it has images...11:26
ograbut likely ... by the size of it 11:26
ograMotherLUG, i need to free up 13MB on the amd64 CD to make it installable ... give me a guess what else to remove11:27
ograremoving the stamps would also remove tuxpaint ... its a hard dependency ...11:28
jsgotangcoxaos is pretty small...11:29
jsgotangcoit'll be strange to remove gimp11:30
jsgotangcoand yet have gnu paint11:30
ogranah 11:31
ogranothing is as big11:31
jsgotangconot to mention it'll trash the whole desktop11:31
jsgotangcokdeedu11:31
jsgotangcohehe11:31
ogralibgl1-mesa-dri has exactly 13MB 11:32
ograsad that its essential 11:32
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jsgotangcohow about the bluetooth stuff11:34
jsgotangcolol pretty small11:35
ograin case you want to look yourself:11:36
Yagisanogra: how many kernels are on the cd ?11:36
ograhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/cd-build-logs/edubuntu-daily-20060217.1.log11:36
ogra111:36
Yagisanwell, scratch that idea11:37
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MotherLUGogra, sorry was doing an interview11:48
Yagisanogra: do we need gcc ?11:49
ograYagisan, how big ?11:49
MotherLUGogra, my first pick to remove would be turtle11:50
Yagisanogra: haven't really checked yet. just briefly scanning the list while trying to brush my kids teeth11:50
ograerr, sure we need gcc for people that need to compile modem drivers for example11:50
ograMotherLUG, that wont gain us 13MB :)11:51
Yagisanogra: um - edubuntu - should work out-of-the-box right ?11:51
ograprobably 130k :)11:51
MotherLUGogra, yeah I know, I don't know much about the back end stuff11:51
ograYagisan, we ship modem driver sources for winmodems11:51
Yagisanoh11:51
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Yagisanbrb11:52
MotherLUGI have to pull down the latest version again, anf get onto the bug reporting. Heaps of things were crashing on me last week11:52
ograyeah, last weeks isos were quite broken, i havent cared for the CDs for a while 11:53
jsgotangcohmmm11:53
jsgotangcoevolution :)11:53
jsgotangcoeekkkk11:54
jsgotangcoedubuntu-desktop11:54
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YagisanOOo - still not native ?12:04
ogranop12:06
ograi removed tuxpaint ....12:06
ogra(note thats only amd64)12:06
Yagisanthat sucks. we could dump ia32libs* if it was12:07
ograyup12:08
ograbut upstream doesnt move forward it seems ...12:08
Yagisan:(12:08
ograand doko is to overloaded with gcc and all of python 12:08
YagisanI still can't copy and paste between OOo and native apps12:08
ograyup12:09
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Yagisanogra: what was the last thing added before amd64 went oversize ?12:13
ogranothing12:18
ograthe packages grew 12:18
MotherLUGogra, can I still pull tux-paint from the repositories?12:22
ograMotherLUG, sure 12:23
ograits just not installed by default on amd64 installs ...12:23
MotherLUGogra, wonderful, I must say my lids and I love it, and I have 6412:24
MotherLUGlids= kids12:24
ograi'll do my best to re-add it ... but currently its the best option to unbreak flight4 12:24
MotherLUGas long as I can still pull it and it works, I'm happy12:25
jsgotangcoogra: let's pull out tuxpaint for now12:25
ograi'd rather have it on the CD and wil look for realease which other options we have ...12:26
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jsgotangcoheh12:27
jsgotangcowe need more bling!12:27
ograbut not with our name ... i'm fine with a e17 distro ...12:28
ograbut they should grab a name that doesnt clash12:28
jsgotangcotrue12:28
ograit nearly makes me forget the CoC ...12:28
jsgotangcowhat the hell12:29
jsgotangcoThe [WWW]  Documentation Team is organising documentation for Ebuntu, and for more please contact [WWW]  Manish Chakravarty12:29
ograargh !!!12:29
Yagisanisn't "Ebuntu" a checkinstall job12:30
jsgotangcoGRRRRRR12:30
Yagisan?12:30
ogralikely ...12:30
jsgotangcoit is12:31
jsgotangcoogra: he's in the gnome lp team12:32
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Yagisanexcellent - so it only runs on i386 - can't be maintained properly - most likely breaks /usr/local - and has a bad name choice. Marvelous.12:33
jsgotangcoim going to dinner first12:34
Seveasogra, the original name was even worse: Enubuntu12:34
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jsgotangcoim going think about this first12:35
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Yagisan;)12:36
ograheh12:36
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MotherLUGGood Night All :D12:46
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pips1highvoltage, hi02:40
highvoltagehi pips1 02:40
pips1I am making some progress with the demo site... :-)02:40
highvoltagekewl. is it somewhere accessable yet?02:40
pips1I'll send you an email ... I'd rather not have everybody pound on the test site yet :-)02:41
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highvoltagepips1: thanks, sorry, bit distracted here02:51
pips1highvoltage, no prob03:10
pips1ogra, hi04:09
pips1ogra, here on irc, you often are asked questions... what is the one piece of documentation that you need to point out the most often ? is it e.g. the thinClientHowto ?04:10
ogranope04:11
pips1?04:11
ograi dont point the thin client howto here at all04:11
pips1ah04:11
ograsince it doesnt apply to edubuntu04:11
ograsee topic :)04:12
pips1:-)04:12
ograthe install notes are the most important doc 04:12
pips1ok, I see, thanks04:12
ograsecond most is yagisans etherboot/PXE floppy creation doc04:12
ograhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ebuntu04:13
ograerr04:13
ograhttps://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe04:13
ograthat one04:13
pips1cheers!04:13
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pips1never mind04:17
ograpips1, because apart from editing the dhcpd.conf everything is done by the installer in edubuntu04:18
ograthe howto is for ubuntu ...04:18
ograwhere you have to do all these steps manually04:18
pips1ok, makes sense now04:20
pips1that howto is definitely geared towards experienced sysadmins, I'd say, judging from the amount of acronyms and geek slang :-)04:22
ograyup04:22
ograsadly ...04:22
ograit was a very easy document even my mother would have understood when mdz created it+04:22
ograbut it has grown several monster heads :(04:23
pips1hehe04:23
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vhgdhello. i have a question. how do i change the screen resolution of the ltsp login screen. one of my thin client monitor crashed because the resolution (1600x1200) was to high.05:34
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ograjsgotangco, will still take a while ... i just discovered a bug that makes a rebuild for ubuntu and all drivatives necessary07:16
ograwith new testing accordingly 07:17
ograseems Kamion made a tapo or something in the cd build script07:17
ogra*typo07:17
jsgotangcoargghh07:17
jsgotangcothat's why its taking so long???07:17
ograat least for me currently rsync doesnt work either, so i cant get the new builds07:18
ograbut its related to ltsp-server-standalone being not installed and /etc/ltsp missing07:18
ograso in fact you discovered it first :)07:19
jsgotangcoahh07:20
jsgotangcoi'll just do the drafts then07:20
jsgotangcoi;ve yet to update for ubuntu itself too07:20
jsgotangcobut i'll make the most obvious changes07:20
jsgotangcoits already 2:30am anyways07:20
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jsgotangcogood night07:27
ogranight07:28
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chmsis ltsp (and related things - dhcp, tftp etc) installed with the server install of edubuntu?09:33
ogranope09:35
chmsrats :) thanks09:35
ograyou need a desktop on the server to use the ssh tunnel ... else it wont make sense09:38
ograso the edubuntu default install is what you want ...09:38
ograthe so called server install is in fact a minimal install ...09:38
ograsee the install notes from the topic09:38
chmsI am learning that. I had an email tetate over that issue :)09:39
chmsok09:39
chmsI use ltsp, and thought it would save a step09:39
ogranote that we use the new muecow implementation of ltsp ... it doesnt use xdmcp forwarding anymore ... 09:41
chmsI'll look into that. I use it, I wouldnt say I was an 'expert'. Thanks09:41
chmsdo you find using a 'heavy' GUI like KDE with ltsp causes performance issues? (I'm looking at Xfce for that reason)09:45
ogranope, it only eats memory on the server ... no performance issues09:48
chmsgood to know. perhaps I wont need Xfce then.09:48
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bob_hey again ogra...11:00
bob_i got a new monitor in, its kinda booting and im getting 'screens found, but none have a usable configuation. driver can't support depth 24'11:02
ograah ...11:03
bob_and 'xauth: error in unlocking authority file /root/.Xauthority'11:03
ograthen you *need* dapper ... breezy doesnt support setting 16bit in ltsp11:03
bob_it is dapper...11:03
ogracreate a /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file 11:04
ograadd the following line:11:04
bob_is there any way to view all the messages you got at startup? there was another kinda error i thought might be itneresting but i cant remebre the detials and it goes past prety quick11:05
ogra[default]   X_COLOR_DEPTH=1611:05
ograthat should set the clients to 16bit by default 11:06
bob_k11:06
bob_right it kinda goes 'trying to load pxelinux' and tries a whole bunch before going to default11:07
bob_is that ok?11:07
ogralooks like a triangle on the screen ? 11:08
bob_yeah11:08
ograthats the normal PXE protocol 11:08
bob_ok, cool11:08
ograi just found a heavy bug in ltsp ... that might be your problem ...11:09
bob_oh yeah? 8)11:09
ograhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-February/006513.html11:09
ograthat prevented ldm from being installed ... without ldm X wont start ...11:10
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bob_ahh ok....11:11
bob_is that coz i installed from a CD? seems like it shouldnt matter...11:11
ograyou can startx manually ... but you dont have a login manager11:11
ograif there is any package available that provides x-display-manager, it breaks :)11:12
bob_haha ok!11:12
ogragdm or kdm or wdm ...11:12
bob_damn that x-display-manager11:12
ograheh, yes ...11:13
ogradebian added it ..11:13
bob_anything i can do about it?11:13
ograand i missed to see that it would break when i merged their patches11:13
bob_good to know its notjust me being stupid ;)11:13
ograsudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ldm11:13
ograif that works ... you have a working client ...11:14
bob_:D yay!11:14
ograbut with a lot of unused gnome stuff in it :)11:14
bob_'already the newest version'11:14
bob_boo11:14
ograoh, so that was pulled in already ... lucky you :)11:15
bob_so its just thsi rouge dhcp server thats the problem now then11:15
bob_arghhhh11:15
ograjust try the lts.conf 11:15
ogranope, its your graphics card that only supports 16bit ...11:15
bob_its funny, sometimes i get a kernel panic and sometimes it just frezes at 'loading hardware drivers'11:15
bob_no i mean that is still an issue...11:16
bob_is there any way to flush the dhcp and ltsp server cache? i think turning this computer off and on repeatedly is confusing it11:16
ogranope11:17
ograno need to 11:17
bob_ok11:17
ograthe cache is bound to the hardware address of your card ... you should get always the same ip for the client11:17
bob_ah ok11:18
bob_is there any other reason it'd stop at 'loading hardware drivers'?11:19
ograyou can remove the word splash from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/pxelinux.cfg/default then you see more ...11:20
ograit will omit the bootsplash 11:20
bob_ok11:22
bob_its still having problems even when i disconnect the othre dhcp server11:22
mezzapazzais there some documentation on setting up ltspfs on ubuntu?11:22
ogranope, use the one from ltsp.org 11:22
mezzapazzaif i only knew what reffered redhat init scripts usually do :)11:23
ograltspfs and ltspfsd are packaged, but you will need to set up the scripts from ltsp.org manually ...11:24
mezzapazzawhat about dapper init scripts? 11:24
ogra?11:24
ografor ltspfs ?11:25
mezzapazzayep11:25
bob_argh, 'depth 16 is not supported through this adapter'11:25
ograthats evil ... but it doesnt support 24 either ? 11:25
mezzapazzai found it packaged in dapper, so i thought there are scripts i could check too11:25
bob_its a prety good monitor11:26
bob_what was the command to check?11:26
bob_what the monitor can do i mean11:26
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ogramezzapazza, sorry, no... i packaged it because we wanted to investigate it for inclusion, but all the local device support was deferred to dapper+1, so there is no integration work been done11:27
mezzapazzaogra ok tnx11:28
ogramezzapazza, be sure it will be my main target in dapper+1 together with a real good sound implementation based on gstreamer ...11:29
mezzapazzaogra looking forward... i'm in a hurry, so i'll have to figure it out myself..11:30
mezzapazzaBTW vim/nvi was missing in dapper release i downloaded last week11:30
ograit should work as outlined on the ltsp.org wiki ... but you'll need to add it to the startup scripts yourself, sorry11:30
ograamd64 ? 11:31
mezzapazzayes11:31
ograyup, might be, the CD was oversized for some days ... 11:31
ograshould be fixed since today11:31
ograbob_, its not the monitor ... its the graphics card that cant do 16bit ...11:32
ogramust be a very old model  ....11:32
ogratry if it works if you set the value from 16 to 811:32
ogradidnt you say mach64 or something ? thats one of the oldest atis around ...11:33
bob_ah ok11:33
bob_yeah11:33
bob_ok11:33
bob_be surprised if it only supports 8 bit though?11:35
ograyes, a bit ...11:35
ograit should be able to do 16 ... 11:35
ograbut the error message indicates differently11:35
bob_k11:36
ograk ?11:37
bob_ok, sorry :)11:37
ogranah, i meant k like in its ok, i see X ?11:37
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bob___whoops lost connection, have you got ay idea why im still getting problems even with the other dhcp server unplugged? might i just need a better network switch?11:45
ograbob___, not yet ...11:45
ogramight be a dapper bug 11:45
bob___k11:46
ograi'm currently preparing flight 4 and discover a lot of weird things that didnt show up yet11:46
bob___is there anything i can do with regard to bug reports?11:46
mezzapazzawhat would be redhat's rc.localdev on debian?11:46
ograbob___, file them :) https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+bugs assign them to me and the ltsp package ...11:48
ogramezzapazza, for the client side i'd just add it to the ltsp-client initscript ...11:49
bob___ok :) i dont always know whats gone wrong though :)11:49
bob___i guess i can just describe...11:49
bob___i mean, i dont know if its me or a bug...11:49
bob___wow, i have a black x...11:53
ograyes, just describe is a good start 11:54
ogra:)11:54
bob___a black x and nothing else. i guess this is a start?11:54
ograbob___, my job as developer is to ask you the right questions in the bug to find out whats wrong and if it is a bug :)11:55
ogradoesnt look like ldm is working, weird11:55
bob___haha thats good, glad i can be of some help :p11:55
bob___any ideas? anything i can try rebulding, or something?11:58
ograwould be an option ..11:59
ogra+just dont forget to create the lts.conf12:00
ogra(or make a backup you can copy in place later)12:00
bob___whats the command?12:01
ograsudo ltsp-build-client12:02
bob___hmm ive done that one12:02
bob___anything else it could be?12:02
ograyou need to wipe the /opt/ltsp/i386 dir first12:02
bob___ive done that a couple of times already tho12:03
bob___hmmm12:03
bob___no way its gonna get corrupted really is there?12:03

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