=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:22] stupid wireless settings, and losing the essid... [12:22] grr === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-004-091.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-004-091.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [12:28] Hobbsee: what do you mean "losing essid" - wireless is rock-solid for me in Dapper [12:30] luka74: well, it was set to the correct wireless essid, then it lost the connection (both wired and wireless decided to connect ot the same IP address - not sure why), then an iwconfig showed the essid as off/any [12:30] Hobbsee: which wireless card? [12:30] i'm usually finding that i have to do a dhclient wlan0 at boot [12:30] netgear wg511 v2 [12:31] Hobbsee: do you have "auto wlan0" in your /etc/network/interfaces ? [12:31] yeah - want me to pastebin the entire file? [12:31] Hobbsee: sure [12:31] Hobbsee: which chipset though? [12:32] made in china [12:32] so the one that works with ndiswrapper [12:32] Hobbsee: umm, okay. ugly :) === Czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-004-091.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:32] http://pastebin.com/558625 [12:33] that works some boots - other times i have to use sudo dhclient wlan0 and then it works [12:34] Hobbsee: you have both eth0 and wlan0 trying to come up at boot. plus you don't need the "dhclient wlan0" at the end of the line [12:35] file, err [12:35] cause you have auto eth0 === robotgeek needs to take a break [12:35] i meant auto wlan0 [12:35] robotgeek: indeed, but it fails every single time if i dont have the dhclient wlan0 at th eend [12:36] but i'll try taking the auto eth0 line out [12:36] that entire section, i take it? [12:36] Hobbsee: no, just the auto eth0 [12:37] ok :) [12:37] Hobbsee: http://pastebin.com/558639 [12:37] i did want the made in taiwan one...but they didnt have any [12:38] yeah i got it :) === Hobbsee has played with that file *a lot* now lol [12:38] Hobbsee: wireless cards are a pain, i went five times, and finally got a ralink card [12:38] had to manually specify which network etc for it to work [12:38] ugh...not that many cards around here [12:38] Hobbsee: there's a nice script on this wiki page. [12:38] Hobbsee, check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto for tips on setting your wireless up [12:39] heh - that's how i got it working at all, and i get an error with that script [12:39] sorry, that's a automated reply :) [12:39] sarah@sarah:~$ ./wlan-scan.sh [12:39] Not enough of information: "dev" argument is required. [12:39] Not enough of information: "dev" argument is required. [12:39] hehe [12:39] lemme see [12:41] Hobbsee: that script needs to be called from /etc/network/interfaces [12:41] ah... [12:41] i must have missed that bit [12:42] Hobbsee: i tried writing my own sometime back === Hobbsee looks at the script and tries to figure it out === luka74 [n=luka74@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:47] Hobbsee: it basically tries to see network you are on, and spit's out the stuff to /etc/network/interfaces [12:48] well, my question more is, do i just put script /home/sarah/wlan-scan.sh or add other bits? [12:49] Hobbsee: put the script somewhere, and add the mapping stuff in the interfaces file [12:50] right... [12:53] ok i think i got it :D [12:54] Hobbsee: cool, that should work even while booting up, i think [12:54] ok :) === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Hobbsee] : Flight 3 out || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu || Join: http://www.last.fm/group/Kubuntu+Developers/ || Kubuntu meeting on #ubuntu-meeting on Wed, Feb 22nd 2006 - 20:00 UTC -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings -- be there! === Czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-004-091.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [01:21] Hobbsee: Tip: all script that are run by root should be owned by root. Otherwise some one breaking in sarah as just to add a 'up my-make-me-root' and with next ifup gains root access. [01:22] good point [01:22] thanks for tha t:) [01:23] robotgeek_work: do you understand why auto eth0 is there? All it does is to delay boot when dhcp is used and no cable is connected === allee always removes it and install ifplugd [01:23] but that not out-of-the-box === allee assumes he miss something [01:24] allee: hmm, it says in "man interfaces" that it lists the interfaces to be brought up [01:24] yes, if cable is not connected, i guess it would not bring it up [01:25] Lines beginning with the word "auto" are used to identify the physical interfaces to be brought [01:25] up when ifup is run with the -a option. (This option is used by the system boot scripts.) [01:26] looks useful, that ifplugd [01:26] Hobbsee: on boot it's init script return always [fail] but it works [01:26] *nods* [01:26] *learns* [01:27] robotgeek_work: next time you reboot try without a cable connected. (have a cup of coffee ready) [01:28] allee: i don't use that on my desktop machine, on my laptop i don't use eth0 :) [01:29] robotgeek_work: I've 1GB line when I use eth0 on my laptop. And that's much better than wlan === robotgeek_work loves his uptime :) [01:29] allee: no such line here on my end :) [01:29] robotgeek_work: oh, you don't use the cable? And you don't get this delay on boot? Me gets very curious!!!!! [01:31] allee: lemme check my laptop thing. problem is i don't shut them down, ever [01:33] allee: i apparently don't have "auto eth0"/"auto wlan0" stuff in my laptop. since it's a "special" card [01:33] robotgeek_work: ah, okay [01:34] allee: i think i removed it while trying to get my airport extreme working === Hobbsee looks at the kubuntu bug list === kozz_ [i=kozz@h203n1fls31o834.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-007-217.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-007-217.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:17] gah, my kontact is continually crashing today [03:17] weird it didnt do that yesterday === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@221.172.51.75] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.186.207] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F7A21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:05] amu: hi === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee laughs [06:27] no way...surely someone didnt do this... [06:27] !malone 30753 === Hobbsee snorts - i cant believe this! === Hobbsee continues reassigning kde bugs to kubuntu team, rather than leaving them unassigned at all [06:45] surely these should be assigned to kubuntu bugs by default, if they're in kubuntu packages... === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:46] hello* [09:46] hi Tonio_ [09:47] Hobbsee: were you at the meeting yesterday ? [09:47] argh! i had something really really important to tell you, then i forgot [09:47] Tonio_: sure was [09:47] arf ? [09:47] arf? [09:47] I couldn't be there, my adsl access has been accidentally closed......... [09:48] oh, yeah [09:48] logs are there, in the IRC logs [09:50] can yousend them to me ? [09:50] wat was decided for the dpi fixing to 100 ? [09:51] How is suspending supposed to work in kubuntu nowadays? [09:51] hunger: it's supposed to work, via klaptop, i think [09:52] Hobbsee: It does not work anymore... I'd love to find how it is supposed to work so that I can help fixing this. [09:52] Tonio_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2006-02-16.html [09:52] cool [09:53] it's getting set to 96dpi, same font size as gnome has, was the plan, IIRC === hunger shivers. === Hobbsee thought it was fairly obvous, but hasnt tested in a while [09:54] Hobbsee: I have klaptopd running (I think... dunno how to test that), but suspend is broken. [09:54] Hobbsee: acpid fakes a keypress which then seems to be ignored. [09:54] well you usually get a battery monitor for it :P [09:54] er, ok then [09:55] Hobbsee: Callisg the sleep script in /etc/acpi works fine. [09:55] Hobbsee: I do have the kde battery applet, so klaptopd should run. [09:55] i'm not sure, i've never looked into it [09:56] I do get a brightness setting window nowadays when changing brightness. [09:57] In fact I get two... so maybe something gnomeish is getting started, messing things up. [09:59] YAY! [09:59] since when we got update notifier in kicker? [09:59] Same is true for volume... but that is totally borked as both windows seem to do conflicting changen. [10:00] Tm_T: a few days ago [10:00] ah, yes [10:00] seems usable [10:00] "no updates" [10:01] it doesnt seem to update often enough [10:01] :p [10:01] just booted [10:01] once a day afaik? [10:01] often enough = twice a day [10:01] Hobbsee: cron runs the apt script daily. [10:01] ahha! 12 upgrades [10:02] Hobbsee: The update-notifier thingy just picks up changes from there. [10:02] yeah [10:02] Hobbsee: Not easy to change the script to run more often though:-) === Hobbsee just has an updade.sh script that works [10:03] Hobbsee: You need to run apt-get update directly if you want that;-) [10:03] could, yeah [10:03] I just use "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" [10:03] Tm_T: So do I. [10:03] that's basically what my script says... [10:03] Hobbsee: pretty useless script ;) [10:03] heh [10:04] gah! I must get amaroK working [10:04] I broke it nicely yesterday =) [10:04] Tm_T: You may keey the pieces;-) Just don't send them my way. [10:05] haha [10:05] anyone like writing man pages? === Tm_T hides [10:05] off to make dinner...a [10:05] try man akregator i'm stunned! [10:05] try man akregator - i'm stunned! [10:06] hmm, clean [10:06] try reading it... [10:06] no dcop calls in man page [10:06] no dcop calls in man page -> useless [10:07] well it's the manpage for kmail, too :P [10:07] or one of those [10:08] haha [10:08] "one of those" [10:25] okay I read everything..... let's adapt the kubuntu-default-settings to what has been choosen.... [10:25] hi all [10:26] Tonio_: hullo [10:26] I'm just a bit sad for the tabs at the bottom of konversation ;) that will not be homogenous with the rest of tabbed application [10:26] konqueror, kopete, konsole will have top tabs, while konv bottom ones......... [10:26] Tm_T: hi ;) [10:26] actually I would like to see tabs at the bottom in Kopete and Konsole [10:26] cannot be set in kopete [10:26] for the same reason [10:27] cannot? [10:27] Tm_T: nope [10:27] Anyone using gpg with kmail in dapper? [10:27] err, I do have [10:27] Tm_T: ah ?????? [10:27] i'll fix the akregator man page if no one else is so far [10:27] hunger: I do, occasionally [10:27] hunger: I'm now [10:27] well the point is just to be homogenous [10:27] hunger: yep [10:27] Does it work for you? [10:27] hunger: last time it did [10:27] hunger: y [10:27] hunger: but I compile Kmail myself :p [10:28] I get a window "General error" when doing "Settings->Configure kmail" and then try to modify a identity. [10:28] Tonio_: exactly, homogenous between konvi,kopete and konsole ;) [10:28] "Failed to fetch keys from the backend" [10:28] Tm_T: hum, the problem is that konv is the only one with bottom tabs ;) [10:28] tabs where focus (input line is) [10:28] did you ask yesterday for bottom tabs by default on other apps ? [10:29] I did mention, I think [10:29] kgpg works fine... [10:29] konsole has bottom tabs for me:-) [10:31] old pic, but, tabs at the bottom: http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/clients_1.png [10:32] Tm_T: how about kopete-0.12 now [10:34] wait, cant run it now [10:37] muhahhaha [10:37] got it, finally [10:37] amaroK running <3<3 [10:38] took only... 6 hours? [10:38] hunger: we are talking about the default, not your personnal settings ;) [10:38] in kubuntu the default for console is on the top [10:39] in kubuntu only, of course [10:41] Tonio_: may we put default tab of konsole to bottom [10:42] freeflying: hum, why not, but then we should do the same with kopete (as long as it is possible and I'm quite certain it isn't) [10:43] the problem is that it can be confusing having tabs on the top of konqueror, bottom of konsole, top of kopete and bottom of kon [10:43] konversation [10:43] Tonio_: kopete can put to bottom [10:43] freeflying: we are talking of default settings, not the ones you, me and all those geeks arrounds are in love with [10:43] freeflying: okay, but then I think we have to make the tab management homogenous [10:44] I was thinking the same for doubleclick, but people don't agree on that point [10:44] Tonio_: i see , if for that gaol , it seems put all to top [10:44] the "rare" people who prefer simple can easily switch back [10:44] freeflying: that was my purpose ;) [10:44] imagin your grandma of mother [10:45] that's the way I do, and the general feeling is "do always the same in ALL apps, cause otherwise, she will get lost" [10:45] grandma OR mother excuse me :) [10:46] I personnaly use botom tabs, but as most users discovered tabs with firefox, they will for sure always search for them on the top === nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:46] hu hu hu [10:47] Tonio_: you can not meet everybody's need at all [10:47] freeflying: yes, that's why my thinking is to non powerusers [10:47] lambda people [10:47] all of us are mostly changing everything in our settings anyway..........; [10:47] Tonio_: but we can provide a kubuntu's style [10:48] that's why the "who here likes tabs on the top or not" isn't important [10:48] what's important is "where will the lambda search for the tabs" [10:48] and it is pretty certain he will search on the top [10:48] Tonio_: y. [10:49] who's lambda [10:49] persona? [10:49] isn't that correct in english ? [10:49] they should have real-sounding names IIRC :p [10:49] hum.........; lambda = average joe :) [10:49] aha [10:49] that's a basic mistake then :-) [10:50] there's no average joe period [10:50] and to me average joe will like double click and tabs on the top for sure ! === hunger never met average joe. === mornfall is back from rsibreak :| [10:50] am I still wrong ? isn't "average joe" understandable in english ? americans do use that everytime :) [10:51] Tonio_: no, the principle is wrong [10:51] mornfall: principle of what ? [10:51] Tonio_: Everybody understood what you were saying I think. [10:51] Tonio_: trying to design for average joe usually gives poor results [10:51] hunger arf........ ;) [10:51] mornfall: discuss about that with apple ;) [10:51] Tonio_: I am just complaining about the concept of Joe Average:-) [10:51] or with MS [10:52] Tonio_: i'm fairly sure apple is not doing it :-) [10:52] mornfall: apple is doing more than ever, certainly [10:52] did you use OSX?* [10:52] you are missing the point [10:52] Tonio_: MS does not design for Joe Average... Joe Average gets defined by what MS does;-) [10:52] it's not designed for average user [10:53] hunger: I think it goes both ways :-) [10:53] it's designed for a fairly well defined set of users [10:53] Tonio_: Apple does not design for Joe Average either. They try to make things easy for everybody that is a totally different goal. [10:53] *and* more importantly, many things apply equally to all kinds of users [10:53] mornfall: I totally agree with you according to macos 8 or 9, but X is really different [10:53] incredibly simplified and coherent [10:54] Tonio_: so that helps average joe and gets in the way of all those power users from press etc using apples right? :) [10:54] well, the doubleclick is a long kde debate, and Idon't want to reopen it here ;) [10:54] Tonio_: average joe is very far from press or from being an everyday computer user [10:55] Tonio_: in the general perception [10:55] mornfall: absolutly, that why for example I think the tabs have to be in the smae place for all applications [10:55] Tonio_: give me coherent definition of average joe, including his computer habits, his goals using computer etc and i'll believe you :) [10:55] Tonio_: What apple does well IMHO is to pick a set of rules and then it sticks to those. [10:55] people that are using the computer twice a week will keep searching them everytime === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:56] Tonio_: So what? [10:56] Tonio_: People using the computer twice a week will search for its power botton, too! [10:56] hi again [10:57] hunger ? well, the question is, do we want a coherent desktop or not ?" [10:57] I don't think having the same thing set differently depending the application is something good [10:57] hey hunger: you're right - that klaptop thing is warpe [10:57] Tonio_: that has absolutely nothing to do with average joe [10:57] d [10:57] Tonio_: I think just provide a kubuntu's style , you needn't care for too much's opinion [10:58] mornfall: okay, so forget that average thing, that was a very bad argumentation :) [10:58] Tonio_: I fully agree. And I actually think having tabs consistently at top or bottom is necessary (but it is unimportent whether it is top or bottom). [10:58] I was wrong on that point [10:58] hunger: that's exactly what I'm saying :) [10:58] It will be hard to tell what is the average joe ate all [10:59] Tonio_: Pick one or the other, you are the GUI master here;-) [10:59] the problem is that I don't want to put konversation's tabs at the botom i we don't do the same for kopete and konsole :) [10:59] hunger: yes, but I don't wanna any decision without the global approval of everybody ;) [10:59] I don't have the mind of a boss hehe ;) [11:00] mornfall: anyway, you were right on your apple vision ;) I was wrong on that point ;) [11:00] Tonio_: you can not put all tabs to bottom, so you'd put to top [11:00] Tonio_: Write a wiki page then, stating what should go where (aka. GUI rules for kubuntu). [11:00] freeflying: that's actually what I'm thinking about [11:00] Tonio_: just do it [11:01] Tonio_: Nobody will bother reading it and you can just send all complainers to that page;-) [11:01] hunger, I'll do the package, and then after discussing with Riddell I'll write a wiki page :) [11:01] oh, the general problem is that tabs need to be obliterated :-)) [11:01] hunger: you're right :) [11:01] hunger: I don't think a wiki page good idea [11:01] the problem is that kde isn't globally coherent [11:02] Tonio_: Plus the decissions reached will be documented, so we do not need to repeat the discussions all the time. === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:02] it is a set of very good application, but there is no IHM really defined [11:02] Tonio_: Nothing is globally coherent. [11:03] hunger: ehrm [11:03] hunger: well, although I don't really appreciate gnome, I must say that the IHM more documented [11:03] same for windows of osx.... KDE miss a few documentationon that point, to me... [11:03] Tonio_: the problem is that people think that KDE is finished product -- while in fact it is more like a frozen finish-home thingy :-) [11:03] Tonio_: Yes, the gnome HIG is pretty well documented. [11:04] on the other hand, gnome is trying to be a final product yes [11:05] hey Tonio_ [11:05] Yeah. KDE does need lots of polish to get up and running properly. [11:06] hey look! kopete does have tabs! [11:06] it does [11:06] morning Hobbsee [11:06] well there you go [11:06] evening robotgeek [11:06] It does have lots of niceties... but just as many rough corners you maintainers need to work around: [11:06] haha [11:06] Hobbsee: here I go ;) [11:06] hey Tm_T [11:06] robotgeek: yay! === Tm_T hides [11:07] I agree the KDE crew have done lots of improvements on that point, really, but there is still things that are to be defined [11:07] okay, so let's temporary go with the top tabbed konversation [11:07] and with simple click ;) [11:07] btw, was there kmplayer packages somewhere [11:07] And that all the HW stuff comes out of the gnome corner nowadays is really annoying for kde users. [11:08] Tonio_: when do you want to do the DPI testing stuff? [11:08] robotgeek: I will search yes ;) [11:08] personally, i think that you could get away with having the konv tabs on the bottom, and the rest on the top - just seems to make more sense that way, even though it's illogical [11:08] Hobbsee: hum.... [11:08] Hobbsee: You can always configure them that way. [11:08] actually, you probably could put kopete's tabs on the bottom, it doenst look *that* bad [11:08] Tonio_: i'm going to be slightly busy after today, won't have net till monday. is that okay? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:09] hunger: I would personnaly prefer to have something logical, and let the people who dislike the settings change it, no ? [11:09] Tonio_: I fully agree. [11:09] robotgeek: yes, I know what to search and do ;) [11:09] true [11:09] Tonio_: cool :) [11:09] Tonio_: Could you do something about the colors when you got time? [11:09] okay so let's find that xtf setting ;) [11:10] hunger, well I will probably change the wallpaper to a green + grey one, in order to remove a bit of blue ;) [11:10] kubuntu is simply blue, with blue on blue actually ;) [11:10] Tonio_: I was thinking about the colors of widgets. === Hobbsee changed her blue menu and all that to be purple :P [11:11] hunger: for example ? [11:11] Tonio_: I.e. with tabs the brighter one is the active one while with those side-thingies in kate the active one is the darker one. === raphink thinks there's one more things in the default that it can't stand : this horrible broken glass sound on errors! makes me feel like throwing the computer by the window [11:11] Tonio_: Well, maybe it just messed up the colorscheme locally. Let me check. [11:12] raphink: damn, it is horrible :) [11:12] +1 raphink! i'd forgotten about that one! [11:12] raphink: if you can find a replacement for that one, I would implement it with pleasure ;) [11:12] Hobbsee: I've changed most of the sounds in KDE. THey were making me crazy really [11:12] Tonio_: I use the Hmm HMM one [11:12] hunger, not sure, but it is not like that on my full-default kubuntu [11:12] i've changed a lot too :D [11:12] to get attention [11:12] instead of a broken glass [11:12] raphink: let find where to change it ;) [11:13] raphink: can you try to locate the setting ? [11:13] Tonio_: sure :) [11:13] What is the default color scheme in kubuntu? [11:13] I can try ... [11:13] cp -rf .kde .kde2 [11:13] then change it and diff -ru ;) [11:13] I'm searching for the xtf setting [11:15] Tonio_: oh yes - the default settings for conversation - the tab colours - can we set them so that they match xfce? or are something sane? seems like they used red for every message - i would think it should be for important messages, like when your nick is directly mentioned. [11:15] Tonio_: does that have something to do with xorg.conf dpi? [11:16] *konversation. i cant spell tonight [11:19] Tonio_: http://pastebin.com/559222 maybe line #90? === robotgeek is reading http://process-of-elimination.net/wiki/Control_Font_DPI_in_X [11:24] Hobbsee: the default settings actually are to put red only when your name is mentionned ;) [11:25] robotgeek: the idea is to set the value for xft.dpi [11:25] the problem is that I don't see another way to do it than in Xresources.......... [11:25] Tonio_: xft.dpi? What is that? [11:25] Tonio_: the link above shows some different techniques === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:28] ping? [11:28] Tonio_: ah ok, i thought they changed with the new version, as i remember going and changing them all back! [11:28] pong Hobbsee_ [11:28] good [11:29] Tonio_: Any chance to make the colors of those "sidebottons" in kate ("Documents", "Filesystem Browser", "Terminal", etc.) more consistent with those of the tabs? [11:29] hunger: If I have time, why not ;) === robotgeek does "echo "Xft.dpi:96" > .Xresources" [11:30] Tonio_: I'll get you a beer if I meet you someplace if you do:-) [11:30] Unlike GNOME, KDE provides no native mechanism to adjust font DPI settings. This is quite unfortunate when one considers the amount of font incongruence between Qt and Gtk+ applications. Often the reason behind such inconsistencies is differing DPI settings between the X server, Qt, and Gtk+. [11:30] ARGH !!!!!!!!!!! [11:30] does anyone else sometimes get adept updater updateing but then exiting with out giving you the option to upgrade? === hunger wonders what those Xft.dpi are used for... [11:30] I do not even have xft installed... [11:31] hunger, to fix fonts size in with X [11:31] Tonio_: Oh, there is a libxft... I thought you were refering to that font server:-) [11:31] Sorry for my confusion. [11:32] hunger nope ;) [11:34] ooh..the adept notifier is nice [11:34] Tonio_: That lib does not contain the string "dpi". Are you sure it will react to that setting? [11:34] hunger [11:34] yes hunger ;) [11:35] Tonio_: The Xserver is set to 100dpi for both kde and gnome. Isen't that enough? [11:35] hunger: we are talking about default settings [11:35] that is not default [11:35] that is YOURS settings ;) [11:35] Tonio_: It is in gdm. [11:36] hunger, in gdm, but the same setting doesn't exist in kdm [11:36] can you paste me the line ? [11:36] are they forcing dpi or xft.dpi ? that not the same thing [11:37] hunger ? [11:38] Tonio_: Tonio_: You are right... gdm does not start the Xserver with the use-100dpi-if-you-do-not-know-better. [11:38] yes, according to what I know, they are setting the xft.dpi to 96 somewhere, but I don't know exactly [11:38] Tonio_: Well, I force my dpi setting in xorg.conf:-) So X has the same settings independent of what I run:-) [11:41] Tonio_: How can I find out my xfs.dpi setting? [11:41] hunger: documentations are refering to a /etc/X11/Xresources file [11:41] bu I have a folder there....... [11:42] certainly a difference in the latest versions [11:43] Tonio_: There is nothing about dpi in mine. [11:43] But how can I read out that setting in a running X server? === mornfall reappears [11:43] sealne: how that? [11:44] Riddell: btw, someone mentioned about mac mini sound problem that there's "fix" to it [11:44] Riddell: http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=306&d=1107512164 [11:44] can't test myself though [11:44] Tm_T: does it use snapper? or something else? [11:45] no idea [11:45] what is snapper? [11:45] mornfall: maybe 1 in 5 times when there are updates adept updater will just close after updating but not giving you the button to click for upgrading, seems a bit random, if i then run it again it is fine, never manged to get it to do it twice in a row :-/ [11:45] Tm_T: the soundcard in there [11:46] ok [11:46] sealne: are you sure it's not crashing? :) [11:47]