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Madpilot | morning all | 03:01 |
Kamping_Kaiser | hey. | 03:01 |
jsgotangco | hi ho! | 03:02 |
robotgeek | mornin | 03:02 |
jsgotangco | shall we? | 03:02 |
jsgotangco | who's here? | 03:02 |
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jsgotangco | Kamping_Kaiser, welcome nonetheless :) | 03:03 |
Kamping_Kaiser | :) thanks | 03:03 |
jsgotangco | ok https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda | 03:03 |
jsgotangco | is the agenda | 03:03 |
jsgotangco | i wasn't at the last meeting so i dunno what transpired there | 03:03 |
jsgotangco | (there was no summary either) | 03:03 |
jjesse | mdke around? | 03:03 |
jsgotangco | probably at work | 03:04 |
jsgotangco | #1 Use of common files for a number of documents. For example, preface.xml and getting-help.xml should be common between all documents. (mdke) | 03:04 |
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jsgotangco | hmm | 03:04 |
jsgotangco | anyone have an idea about that? | 03:04 |
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jjesse | the same across kubuntu and ubuntu docs? | 03:04 |
jsgotangco | bhuvan, just in time | 03:04 |
jsgotangco | hmm | 03:05 |
jsgotangco | i think so | 03:05 |
robotgeek | maybe it can be same for ubuntu, same for all kubuntu stuff | 03:05 |
jsgotangco | aren't they common before? | 03:05 |
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Madpilot | I assume mdke means the getting-help.xml in the (k)ubuntu Desktop guides? | 03:05 |
jsgotangco | he | 03:06 |
jsgotangco | he's not here anyhow | 03:06 |
jsgotangco | let's go to #2 first | 03:06 |
jsgotangco | # | 03:06 |
jsgotangco | WikiCleanupProposal | 03:06 |
jsgotangco | * | 03:06 |
jsgotangco | discussion of approval of the suggested reforms | 03:06 |
jsgotangco | hrmmm | 03:06 |
jjesse | wwhy is it so hard to get doc team people to show up to these meetigns/ | 03:06 |
jjesse | ? | 03:06 |
jsgotangco | jjesse, good question | 03:07 |
Madpilot | have people had a look at UserDocumentationBeta? | 03:07 |
jsgotangco | our man from brisbane isn't here | 03:07 |
Kamping_Kaiser | jjesse: because it's such a spread out group maybe *shrug* | 03:07 |
jsgotangco | Namaan | 03:07 |
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Kamping_Kaiser | jsgotangco: it's 1am brisbane (au) time (iirc) | 03:07 |
jsgotangco | hmm | 03:07 |
jsgotangco | right | 03:07 |
Kamping_Kaiser | it's 00:37 here. | 03:07 |
jsgotangco | where are you at? | 03:08 |
Kamping_Kaiser | central Australia | 03:08 |
jsgotangco | thought so | 03:08 |
jsgotangco | Alice Springs? | 03:08 |
jsgotangco | anyway | 03:08 |
Kamping_Kaiser | Adelaide (hills) | 03:09 |
jsgotangco | Madpilot, what about UserDocumentationBeta | 03:09 |
jsgotangco | none? | 03:09 |
jsgotangco | ok #3 | 03:10 |
bhuvan | its me! | 03:10 |
jsgotangco | Review ServerGuide sections | 03:10 |
bhuvan | service guide is almost through | 03:10 |
jsgotangco | bhuvan, go go go | 03:10 |
bhuvan | i prefer to proof-read the sections and set it finished | 03:10 |
jsgotangco | how complete is it? | 03:11 |
bhuvan | technically, it is complete 90% complete | 03:11 |
jsgotangco | whoa | 03:11 |
jjesse | that's awesome | 03:11 |
jsgotangco | bhuvan, when do you expect the manuscript to be done? | 03:12 |
jsgotangco | a week more? | 03:12 |
bhuvan | some one should check the english/grammar and what not ? | 03:12 |
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bhuvan | if you mean translation, once proof reading is complete ? | 03:12 |
jsgotangco | DocumentationStringFreeze is on March 23 that gives us 1 month to review the document before passing it for translation | 03:12 |
jsgotangco | that's really really good | 03:13 |
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bhuvan | so, we have enough time. but remember the status remains for couple of weeks now! | 03:13 |
Kamping_Kaiser | jsgotangco: does that mean we have a month to clean up the wording, or 1 month of translaiton time? | 03:13 |
Madpilot | Kamping_Kaiser: a month of cleanup | 03:13 |
Kamping_Kaiser | cool | 03:13 |
jsgotangco | Kamping_Kaiser, we have almost a month to finish up the documents before passing it for translation | 03:14 |
jsgotangco | translation is given almost a month | 03:14 |
jsgotangco | bhuvan, ping us when the manuscript is done | 03:14 |
Kamping_Kaiser | wow ok | 03:14 |
jsgotangco | then i can arrange for a review day | 03:14 |
bhuvan | jsgotangco, ? | 03:14 |
jsgotangco | DOCREVU | 03:14 |
Madpilot | Kamping_Kaiser: there's a Dapper release timetable on the wiki somewhere | 03:14 |
jsgotangco | bhuvan, you can send to the list when its 100% right? | 03:15 |
jsgotangco | then we can do reviews | 03:15 |
Madpilot | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule | 03:15 |
bhuvan | jsgotangco, ok | 03:15 |
jsgotangco | (i'll start reading in advance) | 03:15 |
jjesse | can we start reviewing before the doc is 100% or do you just want us to wait for making suggestions? | 03:15 |
bhuvan | jsgotangco, ok | 03:15 |
Kamping_Kaiser | thanks Madpilot | 03:15 |
jsgotangco | we can start review in advance | 03:15 |
bhuvan | jjesse, i want to continue with review | 03:16 |
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bhuvan | jjesse, we need not wait till it is 100% complete | 03:16 |
jsgotangco | i suggest people who review edit the document by only adding <!-- comments --> | 03:16 |
jsgotangco | comments nothing more | 03:16 |
bhuvan | jjesse, imo, we should wait to complete 100% before moving to translation | 03:16 |
jjesse | agreed | 03:16 |
jsgotangco | unless we actually see a typo | 03:16 |
jjesse | to comments | 03:16 |
bhuvan | jsgotangco, agreed | 03:16 |
jsgotangco | cool? | 03:16 |
jsgotangco | <!-- jsgotangco: foo foobar --> | 03:17 |
bhuvan | <!-- foo foobar --> should be ok; author can be identified by userid ? | 03:17 |
bhuvan | jsgotangco, or you expect people to submit patches for review ? | 03:18 |
jsgotangco | hmmm | 03:18 |
jsgotangco | good question | 03:18 |
jsgotangco | it could be silly to commit patches that only have comments though | 03:18 |
jsgotangco | i guess doc.ubuntu.com will be of good use here | 03:18 |
jsgotangco | on second thought | 03:18 |
jjesse | couldn't suggestions become comments and actually technical problems or issues be actually commeted? | 03:18 |
jjesse | committed | 03:18 |
bhuvan | in the past, how did we handle this situation ? | 03:18 |
jsgotangco | we didn't review much before to be honest | 03:19 |
jsgotangco | no time | 03:19 |
bhuvan | jsgotangco, ok | 03:19 |
jsgotangco | but a month is really good | 03:19 |
jjesse | if for say something in the ssh section could be done a different way, then use the comment section to suggest the change, but if there is a technical problem with the guide or a grammical problem then actually make the change? | 03:19 |
jsgotangco | how about we schedule a week of review from witihin the group.... | 03:19 |
jsgotangco | then after the group review, we open it up for community | 03:19 |
bhuvan | jjesse, let the author make final correction irrespective of whether it is suggestion, correction or technical problem | 03:20 |
bhuvan | jjesse, let the author take a call | 03:21 |
jsgotangco | unless the entry is very very erroneous | 03:21 |
bhuvan | jsgotangco, in this context, how will d.u.c be of good use ? | 03:21 |
bhuvan | jsgotangco, agreed | 03:21 |
jsgotangco | bhuvan, d.u.c. creates a build of the doc in html | 03:22 |
bhuvan | jsgotangco, yeah | 03:22 |
jsgotangco | i was thinking of having peer review first before community | 03:22 |
jsgotangco | peer review (those with commit) | 03:22 |
bhuvan | jsgotangco, yep! it makes more sense | 03:22 |
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jsgotangco | bhuvan, when can we expect it to be done? | 03:23 |
jjesse | how do you limit that? send a mail to only those with commit access? | 03:23 |
jsgotangco | well it doesn't make sense to commit comment patches... | 03:24 |
bhuvan | or, shall we maintain a review file in repo and add comments/suggestions/corrections into it. the author can review and make appropriate corrections in main document; it is just a thought though | 03:24 |
jsgotangco | hmm | 03:24 |
jsgotangco | ok | 03:24 |
jsgotangco | i don't think we'll have a decision on this now | 03:25 |
jsgotangco | i will make an email later about this | 03:25 |
bhuvan | jsgotangco, ok | 03:25 |
jsgotangco | we'll get better suggestions if we use the list | 03:25 |
jsgotangco | i'll also look at how others do it | 03:25 |
bhuvan | jsgotangco, we should do this in quick time | 03:26 |
jsgotangco | yes | 03:26 |
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jsgotangco | i'll send an email later | 03:26 |
jsgotangco | promise | 03:26 |
bhuvan | once we finalise the method, we can go about the review and sure we may adopt the same method for other documents too.. | 03:26 |
jsgotangco | yes | 03:26 |
jjesse | that would be one part taht would be nice to standarize on | 03:27 |
jsgotangco | ok so we cool here? | 03:27 |
bhuvan | jjesse, jsgotangco: yes | 03:27 |
jsgotangco | ok who has an update for other docs | 03:27 |
jsgotangco | ? | 03:27 |
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jsgotangco | heh | 03:27 |
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robotgeek | well, on the Kubuntu DG front, i have been receving lots of help | 03:28 |
jsgotangco | robotgeek, yes awesome | 03:28 |
bhuvan | robotgeek, you are lucky :) | 03:28 |
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bhuvan | it would be great if we insist on a up-to-date status report of all documents | 03:28 |
robotgeek | people seem to be put off by the whole docbook format, so i offered to convert it to docbook for them. | 03:29 |
bhuvan | ie.. it should be part of make target | 03:29 |
robotgeek | they all learnt docbook, btw | 03:29 |
jsgotangco | robotgeek, understandable, we don't have much choice at the moment, it needs some pretty deep brainstorming | 03:29 |
robotgeek | i have to convert it to follow KDE style guide explicitly, hopefully a decent amount of work will be finished by next week | 03:30 |
jsgotangco | robotgeek, what's the status of the doc? | 03:30 |
Madpilot | bhuvan: Ubuntu Desktop Guide now has status reports that're far more complete, anyway - I added most of the missing status tags last week | 03:30 |
robotgeek | hmm, about 3 chapters done (75%), 2 to start | 03:31 |
bhuvan | Madpilot, excellent | 03:31 |
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robotgeek | i'm still trying to get content in there, removing it later on will be easier | 03:32 |
robotgeek | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/KubuntuDesktopGuide | 03:32 |
jsgotangco | hmmm | 03:33 |
jsgotangco | its not part of the build | 03:33 |
Madpilot | robotgeek: you should add an entry here - or coordinate with jsgotangco to get it added: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects | 03:33 |
robotgeek | Madpilot: okay, will do | 03:34 |
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Madpilot | afk - back in a sec | 03:34 |
jsgotangco | okay | 03:34 |
jsgotangco | i haven't updated the quickguide much | 03:34 |
jsgotangco | kubuntu | 03:34 |
jjesse | i haven't either :( | 03:34 |
jsgotangco | but i'll look into the desktop guide and see | 03:34 |
jjesse | for ubuntu or kubuntu? | 03:35 |
jsgotangco | it'll probably become redundant if the desktop guide will rock | 03:35 |
jsgotangco | kubuntu | 03:35 |
jjesse | we are currently shipping about-kubuntu kubuntu releasenotes and also the quickguide | 03:35 |
jsgotangco | yes | 03:35 |
jsgotangco | well that's the plan | 03:36 |
jsgotangco | but robotgeek and co. had been up to speed with the kdg | 03:36 |
Madpilot | back - which reminds me... jsgotangco, can you politely prod elmo or someone about my commit rights please? | 03:36 |
jsgotangco | (although i haven't read that much) | 03:36 |
jsgotangco | Madpilot, ok | 03:36 |
jsgotangco | Madpilot, did you give him your key? | 03:37 |
Madpilot | jsgotangco: it's on LP | 03:37 |
jsgotangco | oh yeah | 03:37 |
robotgeek | jsgotangco: as i said earlier, getting content in there, need to give it a thorough cleanup. | 03:37 |
jsgotangco | sorry | 03:37 |
jsgotangco | robotgeek, just send patch i'll commit | 03:37 |
jjesse | robotgeek: were you at teh kubuntu meeting yesterdya? i don't remember if you were or not | 03:37 |
Madpilot | jsgotangco: https://launchpad.net/people/yh728 | 03:38 |
robotgeek | i was there jjesse | 03:38 |
jjesse | ok | 03:38 |
bhuvan | Madpilot, in the first look, it seems all "In progress" should become "Review" (ex: Adding, Removing and Updating Applications) | 03:38 |
jsgotangco | hmm mhz isn't here | 03:38 |
jsgotangco | Madpilot, funny heh members should be whitelisted imho | 03:38 |
jjesse | i can look at the desktop guide as soon as my new laptop gets in :( | 03:38 |
jsgotangco | take note "new" | 03:39 |
jsgotangco | wooo | 03:39 |
Madpilot | bhuvan: for Ubuntu DG? Probably, I just wanted to get the status tags in to start with | 03:39 |
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jjesse | note new: kubuntu chapter and changes were on there and hadn't backed up :( | 03:39 |
robotgeek | ouch | 03:39 |
jsgotangco | jeezz | 03:39 |
Kamping_Kaiser | bugger | 03:40 |
jjesse | but getting them resent so it isn't that bad | 03:40 |
bhuvan | Madpilot, ok | 03:40 |
jsgotangco | anyway | 03:40 |
jsgotangco | we're doing good now | 03:40 |
jsgotangco | in edubuntu side, me and mhz are drafting a quick doc | 03:40 |
jsgotangco | just ot make sure we have an edubuntu guide | 03:40 |
jsgotangco | not to complez | 03:40 |
jjesse | and the cookbook is rocking from what i've heard | 03:41 |
Kamping_Kaiser | jsgotangco: I'm willing to help with content if i have time | 03:41 |
jsgotangco | Kamping_Kaiser, cool...we're going to talk about it this weekend | 03:41 |
jsgotangco | just a very basic doc overview | 03:41 |
jsgotangco | (more desktop oriented) | 03:41 |
Kamping_Kaiser | jsgotangco: ok | 03:42 |
jsgotangco | ok my TODO tonight are: | 03:42 |
jsgotangco | #1 send email to list about review plan | 03:42 |
jsgotangco | #2 update DocteamProjects | 03:42 |
jsgotangco | Kamping_Kaiser, i'll discuss to you the plan later | 03:43 |
Kamping_Kaiser | jsgotangco: np. in -doc some time iis cool | 03:43 |
jsgotangco | ok we've discussed all in agenda, we're now open to anyone who asks | 03:43 |
jsgotangco | oh and #3 bug about svn access | 03:45 |
jsgotangco | anything else? | 03:45 |
robotgeek | i think everyone is happy | 03:45 |
jsgotangco | oh wait | 03:45 |
jjesse | robotgeek: will the desktop guide get finished by doc freeze? | 03:45 |
Kamping_Kaiser | do we have document templagtes? | 03:45 |
jsgotangco | wait wait | 03:45 |
jsgotangco | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ebuntu | 03:45 |
Kamping_Kaiser | oh | 03:46 |
Kamping_Kaiser | <grouches> | 03:46 |
robotgeek | jjesse: hmm, i sure hope so! | 03:46 |
jsgotangco | The [WWW] Documentation Team is organising documentation for Ebuntu, and for more please contact [WWW] Manish Chakravarty | 03:46 |
jsgotangco | who is Manish Chakravarty????? | 03:46 |
Kamping_Kaiser | the bloke who made ubuntu+E17 | 03:46 |
bhuvan | name suggests, he is an indian! | 03:46 |
jsgotangco | doh obviously! heh | 03:46 |
robotgeek | jsgotangco: ogra mailed on the lists to change the name | 03:46 |
jjesse | umm didn't know the doc team was doing things on that :) | 03:47 |
robotgeek | yeah bhuvan | 03:47 |
Kamping_Kaiser | jjesse: it's not :) | 03:47 |
ogra | yup, i did | 03:47 |
Madpilot | jjesse: sounds like it's news to the DocTeam too :P | 03:47 |
jjesse | accordign to the wiki it is :) | 03:47 |
jsgotangco | awesome we have active E17 docteam | 03:47 |
Kamping_Kaiser | got an co.in yahoo account | 03:47 |
Kamping_Kaiser | *he's got | 03:47 |
Kamping_Kaiser | jjesse: it's not an offical (or even remotely offical) project - it's not our problem | 03:48 |
jsgotangco | well 2 of the active docteam contributors are indian, i'm not complaining...but this is soo wrong | 03:48 |
Kamping_Kaiser | i don't care where he's from, i care that he's saying the docteam will do (his) work | 03:48 |
jsgotangco | right | 03:48 |
robotgeek | :) | 03:48 |
Kamping_Kaiser | *gets worked up* | 03:49 |
jsgotangco | i'll look for the thread too | 03:49 |
Madpilot | anyone been to this #ebuntu channel yet? | 03:49 |
jsgotangco | ok that's #4 todo | 03:49 |
Kamping_Kaiser | nope | 03:49 |
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jsgotangco | bhuvan, nope | 03:49 |
Kamping_Kaiser | no | 03:49 |
bhuvan | oh! | 03:49 |
robotgeek | which is the whole problem, bhuvan | 03:50 |
ogra | they are totally unrelated | 03:50 |
Kamping_Kaiser | which is anotehr problem (which is up for discusion) | 03:50 |
Madpilot | bhuvan: see the wiki link jsgotangco posted above | 03:50 |
ogra | but you cant force them | 03:50 |
ogra | just beg to change that | 03:50 |
jsgotangco | blingbuntu | 03:50 |
Madpilot | hmm... there is no channel #ebuntu on freenode that I can see - not right now, anyway | 03:50 |
Kamping_Kaiser | <grin> | 03:50 |
ogra | bhuvan, btw thats what happens to most people .... | 03:50 |
jsgotangco | anyway | 03:50 |
jsgotangco | i'll look for the thread too and react about the docteam link being there | 03:51 |
robotgeek | Madpilot: there is | 03:51 |
Kamping_Kaiser | there's email about it on -devel and -users mail lists | 03:51 |
=== jsgotangco will remember he signed the CoC twice with his 2 keys | ||
Madpilot | robotgeek: really? I can't get it listed in my IRC client - odd | 03:51 |
jsgotangco | i don't think its registered yet | 03:52 |
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jsgotangco | wow bad enlgish | 03:52 |
jsgotangco | i think its not registered yet | 03:52 |
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Madpilot | ah, it does exist, but isn't listed - odd | 03:53 |
jsgotangco | ok | 03:53 |
jsgotangco | so what shall we do | 03:53 |
jsgotangco | will I react with a reply to that thread? | 03:53 |
Kamping_Kaiser | edit the wiki page to remove the 'docteam will' reference? | 03:53 |
jsgotangco | hmmm is that the right thing to do | 03:54 |
Madpilot | Kamping_Kaiser: how about commenting it out, with another comment that the DocTeam hasn't been contacted? | 03:54 |
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Kamping_Kaiser | Madpilot: yes, that's probably the correct way to get the same result | 03:55 |
jsgotangco | hmm | 03:55 |
jsgotangco | okay | 03:55 |
jsgotangco | i'll comment it out and add a comment that contact us about this | 03:56 |
jsgotangco | cool? | 03:56 |
Kamping_Kaiser | sounds good to me. | 03:56 |
jsgotangco | okay | 03:56 |
jsgotangco | Hi Manish, I've commented this out because the DocumentationTeam has not been contacted about this. If you have questions or concerns, don't hesitate to contact me at jgotangco@ubuntu.com - Jerome Gotangco | 03:58 |
jsgotangco | ok just made a minor edit | 03:58 |
robotgeek | or on irc | 03:58 |
Kamping_Kaiser | both? | 03:59 |
Kamping_Kaiser | nah | 03:59 |
Kamping_Kaiser | send him an email if you want to contact him direct | 03:59 |
jsgotangco | its ok | 03:59 |
jsgotangco | i'll do that | 03:59 |
jsgotangco | done | 04:00 |
jsgotangco | anythying else? | 04:00 |
jjesse | nope | 04:00 |
Kamping_Kaiser | do we have any doc templates? | 04:00 |
Kamping_Kaiser | or do we just rip the guts out of an existing page and use that ? | 04:01 |
jsgotangco | what kind of templates? | 04:01 |
Kamping_Kaiser | jsgotangco: basic document layout | 04:01 |
jsgotangco | docbook? | 04:01 |
Kamping_Kaiser | yeh. | 04:01 |
jsgotangco | svn has it | 04:01 |
jsgotangco | we've just hit 1 hour | 04:01 |
jsgotangco | are we cool now on the meeting? | 04:01 |
jjesse | i'm cool | 04:01 |
Kamping_Kaiser | yep. | 04:01 |
jsgotangco | Kamping_Kaiser, i'll guide you later | 04:01 |
Kamping_Kaiser | thanks | 04:02 |
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Kamping_Kaiser | how long are we allowed here? 1 hour only? | 04:02 |
jsgotangco | well its ours at this time | 04:03 |
jsgotangco | but we don't have anything on the agenda anymore | 04:03 |
jsgotangco | its best to move back to -doc | 04:03 |
jsgotangco | okay | 04:03 |
Kamping_Kaiser | sounds good. see you all there | 04:03 |
jsgotangco | next is March 3, 21UTC | 04:04 |
jsgotangco | cool? | 04:04 |
robotgeek | i'm cool with almost any time, so +1 | 04:04 |
jsgotangco | christ that 5am on me | 04:05 |
Kamping_Kaiser | I'll try and make it | 04:05 |
jsgotangco | okay | 04:05 |
Kamping_Kaiser | <grin> | 04:05 |
jsgotangco | cool 21UTC then | 04:05 |
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