[05:57] <Micksa> right
[05:57] <Micksa> what's the ubuntu equiv of "auto eth0:0" in /etc/interfaces?
[05:57] <Micksa> er
[05:57] <Micksa> /etc/network/interfaces :)
[05:57] <infinity> The same.
[05:58] <Micksa> is not
[05:58] <Micksa> tell me what's wrong with this
[05:58] <Micksa> auto eth0:0
[05:58] <Micksa> iface eth0:0 inet static address 203.217.18.195 netmask 255.255.255.248 network 203.217.18.192 broadcast 203.217.18.199
[05:58] <Micksa> graghrg
[05:58] <infinity> Other than the obvious lack of linebreaks, I assume?
[05:59] <infinity> I assume eth0 is also "auto"?
[05:59] <Micksa> that was a cut'n'paste anomaly
[05:59] <infinity> Or are you upping eth0 with hotplug or something?
[05:59] <Micksa> hmm... no but it comes up
[05:59] <Micksa> hotplug
[06:00] <infinity> If you're using hotplug mappings on a server... Don't. ;)
[06:00] <infinity> (dapper removes all that hotplug mapping stuff anyway)
[06:00] <Micksa> *shrug* kay
[06:00] <Micksa> I never liked the idea anyway :)
[06:00] <Micksa> not on a server
[06:00] <Micksa> so can I trash the "mapping hotplug" stanza, set "auto eth0" and it'll all work fine?
[06:00] <infinity> That should do it.
[06:01] <Micksa> okay. here goes
[06:01] <Micksa> course I can't restart the server right now :)
[06:01] <Micksa> I'll have to test, like, next thunder storm or something
[06:01] <Micksa> I need UPS :/
[06:01] <infinity> Heh.
[06:05] <LordHunter317> Micksa: unless you're using the iface, you can always ifdown it, and then ifup -a it IIRC
[06:05] <LordHunter317> it should igfnore already reaised interfaces.
[06:05] <LordHunter317> err raised.
[06:05] <Micksa> won't that break 50 running daemons?
[06:05] <LordHunter317> some of them relying on the interface being there will need to be restarted, yes.
[06:05] <LordHunter317> lke I said, unless you're using it...
[06:06] <Micksa> anyway I wanted to also test that the NIC device actually exists when it's brought up
[06:06] <LordHunter317> you mean it has link?
[06:06] <Micksa> no, like, hotplug has brought it up
[06:06] <Micksa> but like, hotplug starts just before S40networking so it should be fine
[06:07] <Micksa> I'll get to it
[06:08] <LordHunter317> there's no need to explictly test, for the reason you jsut mentioned... so I'm kinda confused.
[06:42] <Micksa> paranoia
[06:43] <Micksa> it's a good thing in this line of woork
[06:50] <LordHunter317> if you're taht worried about it, just explcitly load the driver as a pre-up.
[06:50] <LordHunter317> which should run regardless of interface presence, IIRC.
[06:50] <LordHunter317> failign that, add an initscript, or use /etc/modules if you don't trust hotplug.
[06:56] <Micksa> I just want it to boot properly without any intervention, that's all
[06:57] <LordHunter317> if oyu're worried about htee NIC driver not loading, toss the name in /etc/modules.
[06:57] <LordHunter317> done.
[06:57] <Micksa> I don't want to be in another state and find out that I can't get my mail till I get back because this machine didn't come up properly
[09:26] <Micksa> anyone here used vmware player?
[09:26] <Micksa> can it run a server? ie listen on a port and be connected to?
[09:38] <hunger> Micksa: I road an article about vmware player. They wrote there that the only limitation is that it can not setup/configure the machine used.
[10:17] <sebest> hunger: what do you mean?
[10:18] <hunger> sebest: Did I say something here?
[10:19] <sebest> hunger about vmware server
	Micksa: I road an article about vmware player. They wrote there that the only limitation is that it can not setup/configure the machine used.
[10:19] <hunger> sebest: Oh that:-)
[10:19] <sebest> yes, because vmware server allow you to configure the host and guest machine exactly like vmware workstation
[10:19] <hunger> Micksa asked about vmware player.
[10:20] <sebest> ah sory
[10:20] <hunger> Micksa: ... and whether that could run servers.
[10:20] <sebest> i missread him :)
[10:20] <sebest> better use vmware server :)
[10:20] <hunger> Micksa: From what I understood it can (if you feed it a machine configured accordingly).
[10:21] <hunger> sebest: Nah. I do not use proprietary software on my own boxes.
[10:21] <sebest> hunger: vmware player is not propriertary software?
[10:21] <hunger> sebest: I used Vmware ESX for a while at a customer's site. It is really nice.
[10:22] <hunger> sebest: vmware player is proprietary. I did not use it, I only read about it.
[10:22] <sebest> i mean it's better to use vmware server than to use vmware player for server usage
[10:23] <hunger> sebest: I tend to agree, even though I never have used vmware server nor vmware player;-)
[10:24] <sebest> vmware server, is like esx
[11:51] <Zedman> hello. I want to try to set up an ubuntu gnu/linux server. I am downloading the iso atm. My first question is: Is there sudo like on ubuntu desktop?