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[12:39] <Hobbsee> morning all
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[02:02] <atie> hi
[02:17] <Hobbsee> hi atie 
[02:20] <atie> Hobbsee, hi
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[02:26] <atie> freeflying-ibook, hi
[02:34] <freeflying-ibook> atie: hi
[02:42] <atie> freeflying-ibook, have you seen the mail from iwj (Ian)?
[02:46] <freeflying-ibook> atie: what the topic ?
[02:50] <atie> freeflying-ibook, fontconfig... waiting for you and HuaHua.
[02:50] <freeflying-ibook> atie: I'm reading it now 
[02:55] <freeflying-ibook> atie: Ian means that set up conf in conf.d for each language ?
[02:57] <atie> freeflying-ibook, he just understood why we need XML configration hacks
[02:58] <atie> and maybe per ttf-font package will be answer
[02:59] <freeflying-ibook> atie: but this way may not be acceptted. 
[02:59] <atie> first of we need to see all XML configurations for each ttf-font package if it needs to improve.
[03:00] <atie> s/first of/first of all
[03:00] <freeflying-ibook> atie: y, and we chinese are working on it now .
[03:01] <atie> freeflying-ibook, I thought so.
[03:01] <freeflying-ibook> atie: the conf must not affect other languages 
[03:02] <atie> freeflying-ibook, yes.
[03:02] <atie> freeflying-ibook, have sometime to put your stuff to wiki, then talk together.
[03:03] <atie> nowadays I am at #ubuntu-ko
[03:03] <freeflying-ibook> atie: ok
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[07:22] <freeflying> Riddell: ping
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[08:24] <freeflying> Riddell: ping
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[11:23] <Tm_T> ok, xgl doesn't really work here yet
[11:30] <sealne> hmm https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kile/+bug/443/ won't let me select upstream fix request as it claims there isn't a source package for kile?
[11:31] <sealne> is that due to it being universe?
[11:39] <Tm_T> ugh, when flight 4 is out
[11:39] <Tm_T> ?
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[12:56] <mornfall> http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/installer-search.png :-)
[12:57] <mornfall> \o/
[12:57] <Hobbsee> mornfall: very nice!!!
[12:58] <sealne> shiny :)
[12:58] <Hobbsee> sealne: i took your sources, and made a debdiff with your fix - did you end up seeing the bug report for it?
[01:02] <sealne> yep and i now know how to make the debdiff i wasn't sure at the time, thanks
[01:02] <sealne> the man page for debdiff wasn't quite clear enough for me :)
[01:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:06] <sealne> still not sure what you can do with the debdiff tho
[01:06] <Hobbsee> it's easier to put into the package, i think
[01:07] <sealne> any idea if you can only select upstream fix request for packages in main?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> not sure, i''m assuming you can set it anywhere
[01:08] <sealne> i was trying for kile
[01:08] <sealne> but it wouldn't find the source package
[01:09] <sealne> Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kile/+bug/443/
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[01:11] <Hobbsee> weird, no idea
[01:11] <sealne> in launchpad any idea what "Keys pending validation" means when i tried to set my gpg key?
[01:12] <Hobbsee> er...you've uploaded it to the keyserver, i assume?
[01:12] <sealne> yeah
[01:12] <jpatrick> sealne: check your mail
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[01:12] <sealne> jpatrick: ah :)
[01:13] <sealne> pity i can't read it at home as kmail dosen't seem to like some gpg stuff which is weird
[01:14] <sealne> yet it works fine at work and i have as far as i can tell the same related packages installed
[01:15] <sealne> some signed email displays fine but other stuff i just get a wee padlock in the message body
[01:16] <sealne> home is breezy, work is now dapper but when it was breezy it worked fine there
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[01:17] <sealne> hmm
[01:20] <sealne> its not https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/31212
[01:22] <jpatrick> wasn't that fixed ages ago
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[01:23] <Hobbsee> check it...
[01:23] <Hobbsee> you can mark it fixed if it is fixed
[01:23] <sealne> i've always had it in kubuntu since i started using it pre breezy release
[01:25] <sealne> sid worked so much better on my home machine :P
[01:30] <jpatrick> looks like my message was 'scrubbed': https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000456.html
[01:31] <mornfall> listening to Stargazers on Oceanborn by Nightwish (2:17/4:28)
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[01:33] <jpatrick> headphones...
[01:33] <mornfall> good i don't live with parents
[01:33] <sealne> volume control? :)
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[01:33] <Hobbsee> good point
=== Hobbsee does as well
[01:33] <Hobbsee> might have some headphones somewhere
[01:34] <jpatrick> sealne: I think we can mark as fiixed
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[01:42] <sealne> jpatrick: which?
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[01:46] <mornfall> Riddell: *poke* -- do we want to default to "Any Suite" or "KDE" in adept installer?
[01:51] <mornfall> Riddell: also, the KDE .desktop files in app-install-data are exceptionally poor (the rest is merely "poor")
[01:52] <mornfall> i thought i'd improve since breezy, but there are no hints of that
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[01:59] <mornfall> ok, i take that back -- they are better
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[02:00] <incinerator> any new on when flight 4 will be released?
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[02:02] <mornfall> incinerator: i hope not before sunday -- otherwise it'll go out without adept 1.90 :p
[02:02] <incinerator> thx, I'm fed up with flight 3, going back to breezy on my laptop just now
[02:02] <incinerator> the kernel in df3 is t3h s|_|ck
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[02:05] <mornfall> (sunday = tomorrow)
[02:05] <incinerator> got that....
[02:05] <mornfall> what's the schedule?
[02:06] <incinerator> ???
[02:06] <incinerator> schedule on the wiki doesn't say anything about the flight releases :-(
[02:06] <jpatrick> sealne: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/31212
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[02:10] <mornfall> Riddell: how would i go about asking removal of kfmclient*desktop from app-install-data?
[02:10] <mornfall> Riddell: and adding about 5 dozen icons? :)
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[03:29] <sealne> hunger: is https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/31212 still affecting you?
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[03:49] <Tm_T> hm
[03:50] <freeflying-ibook> Tm_T: hi
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[04:14] <Tm_T> freeflying-ibook: hullo
[04:15] <freeflying-ibook> Tm_T: need kopete-0.12'deb for ppc   :)
[04:16] <Tm_T> you mean I should build?
[04:16] <freeflying-ibook> Tm_T: if you can give source package , I can build it for you 
[04:17] <Tm_T> sounds good
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[04:18] <freeflying-ibook> Tm_T: nice
[04:19] <Tm_T> andred: right?
[04:19] <Tm_T> andred: oh, you're here already
[04:20] <jpatrick> hmmm
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[04:38] <Tm_T> freeflying-ibook: sort it out with andred, I think that's the best way to do
[04:39] <andred> Tm_T: sure, just gimme the link and i'll try to add it to the repository
[04:39] <andred> erm, freeflying-ibook: sure, just gimme the link and i'll try to add it to the repository
[04:39] <andred> have to figure out how to add different archs first though
[04:39] <freeflying-ibook> andred: which link ?
[04:40] <andred> the link to the package
[04:40] <Tm_T> andred: also give sources (and debian dir) to him so he can _build_ package first ;)
[04:40] <Tm_T> I bet your sources are less forked
[04:40] <andred> ah, ok. first things first :)
[04:40] <Tm_T> yu
[04:40] <Tm_T> now coffee and curling in tv, good luck with it ;) ->
[04:41] <andred> freeflying-ibook: what do you need from me now?
[04:41] <andred> only sources or anything else too
[04:41] <freeflying-ibook> andred: source and debian dir
[04:42] <andred> ok, one second, have to boot the pc
[04:46] <andred> freeflying-ibook: should i send it via email?
[04:47] <freeflying-ibook> andred: sure , zhengpeng.hou AT gmail DOT com
[04:51] <freeflying-ibook> who need backtrace of adept_notifier yestoday ?
[04:51] <andred> freeflying-ibook: can i somehow clean the debian-dir?
[04:53] <freeflying-ibook> andred: if you'd like
[04:53] <andred> i mean is there a debwhatever that cleans it for me?
[04:54] <jpatrick> fakeroot debian/rules clean ?
[04:55] <andred> cool thanks
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[05:06] <andred> freeflying-ibook: email's out
[05:07] <freeflying-ibook> andred: got it 
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[05:22] <freeflying-ibook> Tm_T , andred: how shall I give the binary package to you ?
[05:28] <andred> my email is andre@duffeck.de
[05:29] <mornfall> freeflying-ibook: wibble
[05:29] <mornfall> freeflying-ibook: i am about the only person who cares about adept* stacktraces
[05:29] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: hi
[05:30] <ubijtsa2> andred: got that kopete link again ? :)
[05:31] <andred> ubijtsa2: wait a second, i'm just setting up a new repository
[05:31] <ubijtsa2> andred: okidoki.. 
[05:31] <mornfall> freeflying-ibook: you have one?
[05:31] <ubijtsa2> I have just tried dist-upgrade on a Thinkpad X31 running Breezy..
[05:31] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: just a moment 
[05:32] <ubijtsa2> reinstall seems such an attractive option now..
[05:32] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8818
[05:32] <jpatrick> ubijtsa2: oh dear :(
[05:32] <ubijtsa2> jpatrick: this time, the dist-upgrade worked (with a bit of coaxing)
[05:33] <ubijtsa2> but in all, it was "the operation mas a success - the patient died"
[05:33] <ubijtsa2> s/mas/was/
[05:34] <mornfall> freeflying-ibook: that's not a hanging program is it?
[05:34] <andred> ubijtsa2: deb http://andre.duffeck.de/kopete breezy main
[05:34] <mornfall> looks like a perfectly finely running one
[05:34] <ubijtsa2> udev was less than cooperative after the reboot.. /usr/lib/iftab_helper being the main culprit
[05:34] <mornfall> aha
[05:35] <mornfall> okey, it's possibly corrupt
[05:35] <ubijtsa2> andred: thank you
[05:35] <andred> ubijtsa2: np
[05:35] <ubijtsa2> andred: I can sub breezy with dapper - yeah ?
[05:35] <andred> yes :) i thought it was breezy
[05:36] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: but it can hardly use 
[05:37] <ubijtsa2> andred: I have 50% of my boxes on dapper now. the last one to be upgraded is my main one here at home.
[05:37] <mornfall> freeflying-ibook: not sure what you mean?
[05:37] <andred> ubijtsa2: ah, i see
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[05:39] <andred> ubijtsa2: is there a problem downloading the package?
[05:39] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: it will freeze ,or  hang on 
[05:40] <ubijtsa2> andred: I think so
[05:40] <andred> ubijtsa2: one second
[05:40] <ubijtsa2> :)
[05:40] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: as I've told you yestoday
[05:41] <mornfall> freeflying-ibook: you told me it hangs -- i assumed it freezes hard
[05:41] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: the only thing I can do is to kill it 
[05:42] <andred> ubijtsa2: pleasy try again (apt-get update first)
[05:42] <ubijtsa2> ok
[05:44] <ubijtsa2> andred: working fine now :)
[05:44] <andred> alright :)
[05:49] <ubijtsa2> andred: as far as I can tell, your package works fine
[05:49] <andred> ubijtsa2: the dapper package was made by Tm_T, but thanks anyway :)
[05:49] <ubijtsa2> ok, thanks to your both for the package :)
[05:52] <Tm_T> ugh
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[07:23] <hunger> any idea when the suspend issue will be fixed in kubuntu?
[07:24] <jpatrick> i think they were talking about it in #ubuntu-devel
[07:24] <jpatrick> food now
[07:26] <hunger> jpatrick: It works in ubuntu (at least for me).
[07:28] <hunger> jpatrick: The sleep itself works fine (/etc/acpi/sleep.sh), acpid recognizes that I press the suspend button and fakes a keypress.
[07:29] <hunger> which then gets ignored.
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[07:57] <jpatrick> hunger: ok
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[09:49] <mornfall> yay
[09:50] <jpatrick> what?
[09:51] <mornfall> http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/installer-description.png
[09:53] <ubijtsa2> mornfall: sweeet :)
[09:53] <apokryphos> wow, very sweet
[09:56] <jjesse> mornfall: that is really awesome :)
[09:59] <jpatrick> mornfall: wow, cool
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[10:02] <mornfall> apokryphos: that will be fixed when i get around to :p -- but it's compact (both space and code wise :)
[10:03] <apokryphos> and certainly user-friendly -- very nice to see. Great stuff, really 8)
[10:04] <apokryphos> mornfall: is it structured to order things by applications now, or something?
[10:04] <apokryphos> (rather than by packages?)
[10:04] <jpatrick> mornfall: no maintainer line?
[10:04] <jjesse> if so why the change/move?
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[10:05] <mornfall> heh
[10:05] <mornfall> it's supposed to be ultra-simple
[10:05] <mornfall> not sure maintainer is crucial info for the user :P
[10:05] <apokryphos> mornfall: is this to be the main adept interface?
[10:05] <mornfall> not at all
[10:05] <apokryphos> oh ok
[10:05] <mornfall> there's no "main adept interface"
[10:06] <apokryphos> similar to gnome's/ubuntu's add/remove application?
[10:06] <mornfall> there are: manager, installer, updater and notifier
[10:06] <apokryphos> right
[10:06] <apokryphos> this is the installer, I take it
[10:06] <mornfall> considering the window title, yes :)
[10:06] <apokryphos> will the manager have all the other extra things (such as changelog, list of files) etc?
[10:06] <mornfall> no changelog
[10:06] <mornfall> technically nearly undoable
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[10:07] <apokryphos> Installer seems like the perfect thing for the new user
[10:07] <mornfall> apokryphos: consult http://people.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/adept-2006-02-12/manager9.png for filelist shot
[10:07] <mornfall> the screeny is fairly old, hmm
[10:08] <mornfall> let me take a new one
[10:08] <apokryphos> I haven't checked the development of it in some time; it's looking good 8)
[10:08] <apokryphos> "changelog" is listed there?
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[10:09] <mornfall> http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/manager-filelist.png
[10:09] <mornfall> the changelog will appear if some magic happens :-)
[10:09] <mornfall> otherwise i'll just drop the tab
[10:09] <apokryphos> right
[10:10] <mornfall> (it's currently empty)
[10:10] <apokryphos> hm, where/how does the search come in there?
[10:10] <mornfall> which search?
[10:10] <mornfall> the package list w/ filters?
[10:10] <mornfall> this is what you get after clicking "details" in the search
[10:11] <apokryphos> do you still use that svn on kde playground (?) for adept? Might be worth trying out
[10:11] <apokryphos> (unfortunately currently not in university halls, though, so stuck on suse for the day)
[10:11] <mornfall> it is in playground yes, but it's synced only rarely
[10:11] <mornfall> i have a local svk repository
[10:11] <mornfall> it's also a bitch to compile ;-)
[10:11] <apokryphos> oh ok
[10:12] <apokryphos> heh
[10:13] <apokryphos> it's looking nice =), is a version going to appear in dapper soon?
[10:13] <apokryphos> mind you, I'm totally ignorant of the one currently in dapper -- will have to check when I'm back.
[10:13] <mornfall> there's a week old version in dapper
[10:13] <apokryphos> nice, ok
[10:14] <mornfall> i'll chase Riddell tomorrow to upload the beta i'm working on now
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[10:21] <mornfall> ha, *rapes kjanuswidget*
[10:22] <mornfall> and now it's time for a small bit of food :-)
[10:22] <mornfall> bbiab
[10:25] <jshadow> hey folks, in my plugin for katapult I'm getting a bunch of errors in the QT headers, mostly about uchar and other types, is there a typical cause for this?
[10:29] <jshadow> here's the errors http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/561684
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[10:33] <toma> spellcheckcatalog.cpp:19 ?
[10:34] <jshadow> thats one of my source files
[10:34] <tvo> accidentally typed a random char before the #includes?
[10:35] <toma> paste?
[10:35] <jshadow> hmm lemmie look quick
[10:35] <jshadow> bah yes *// closing comments
[10:35] <jshadow> thanks
[10:37] <jshadow> down to only a few errors now.. maybe I'll have this going this weekend =)
[10:41] <tvo> cool
[10:50] <mornfall> uhm, anyone can confirm if gnome-app-install does this on startup? gobject.GError: Icon 'gnome-settings-default-applications' not present in theme
[10:50] <mornfall> instead of starting up that is
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[10:52] <seaLne> not on breezy
[10:53] <mornfall> dapper here
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[10:56] <mornfall> *sigh*
[10:56] <mornfall> this thing is messed up
[11:05] <jjesse_> Riddell: yping?
=== mornfall cries
[11:11] <mornfall> this gnome-app-install thing is so utterly broken :|
[11:11] <mornfall> every time i install it it dies with a different error
[11:11] <mornfall> i always managed to hack it to run
[11:11] <mornfall> apparently not this time
[11:14] <mornfall> die broken thing die
[11:15] <hunger> mornfall: Which thing in particular?
[11:15] <mornfall> hunger: gnome-app-install
[11:15] <hunger> mornfall: Why are you cursing about a gnome app on kubuntu-devel? ;-)
[11:16] <mornfall> because i am writing the kde alternative
[11:17] <hunger> mornfall: Oh, then you have my sympathy!
=== hunger wanted to use a gnome-lib once in a C++ project and ended up having to redo the whole mess.
[11:32] <mornfall> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh
[11:32] <mornfall> i hate it
[11:32] <mornfall> let's give up
[11:32] <mornfall> i can't get it to run
[11:33] <mornfall> if not finding an icon is fatal error i guess that's enough to know
[11:33] <mornfall> it's so damn frustrating
[11:34] <mornfall> b-r-o-k-e-n
[11:35] <mornfall> it so totally makes me cringe