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aquariusIs there any way of getting the upstream URLs for a bunch of packages without parsing them out of debian/copyright? I can't find any listed in packages or on Launchpad.01:51
lifelessuscan's data file01:52
aquariusah, nice. Didn't know about uscan.01:53
aquariusHow does the data file stay up to date?01:54
minghuaaquarius: debian/watch01:55
aquariusah, it doesn't have a data file per se, it uses debian/watch. Cool.01:55
aquariusThat's very useful. One other thing: if I wanted to read the watch files for all the packages in the archive, would I need to get the sources of all of them and look in debian/watch for all of them?01:56
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anibalaquarius: not every package has a debian/watch file02:29
aquariusanibal: yep, I'm just discovering that :)02:29
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anibalaquarius: for package pbzip2 you could try http://dehs.alioth.debian.org/maintainer.php?name=pbzip2 to see the uscan information of package pbzip202:34
aquariusanibal: ah, interesting02:37
aquariusWould hitting that page once for every package be considered bad?02:38
anibalaquarius: not at all02:39
anibalaquarius: but, you could sleep a few seconds before between hits02:41
aquariusanibal: oh, certainly I'd do that. :)02:41
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wasabi_So should python-uno be working?03:17
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ograKamion, edubuntu daily 20060217.4 and daily-live 20060218 tested on all arches, all gold and ready for flight 404:31
ograKamion, rsync for ubuntu daily 20060217.2 is running, will test these as soon as i got up ...04:33
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LaserJockcan apt handle checking for local installations (i.e. from a source tarball) of a package to satisfy deps?  I imagine not but I though I'd ask05:17
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dabaRDoes anyone know why bob2 is never coming to freenode any more, or at least that he is fine and well?05:44
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zakamehi devs :)06:58
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shadeofgreyokay...07:50
shadeofgreyi know im not supposed to be here07:50
shadeofgreybut i have a gripe07:50
shadeofgreyactually07:50
shadeofgreyid rather take this opportunity to grovel07:50
shadeofgreywould one of you cool, awesome, brilliant coder folks write like 3 lines of code and find a way to make either the abiword or the openoffice cursor a full square?07:51
shadeofgreyim going blind gradually over tiume, and its now almost impoosible for me to work on my novels without spending hours re-editing huge portiohs of text because i canbt see the damn cursor07:51
shadeofgreyim handicapped.  i have one good arm, and four fingers on my lefty hand that work well enough to tuype with07:52
shadeofgreyi now have glaucoma and will be blind in less than two years07:52
shadeofgreyi REALLY need to hurry and get some stuff written before i cant see and have to stop and spend a year teaching my dumb ass braille07:52
Kyral...07:56
shadeofgreyyeah its dumb07:57
shadeofgreyi know07:57
KyralCome back sober yes?07:57
shadeofgreyi am sober07:57
shadeofgreywhat, you think im kidding?07:57
KyralI could swear you said you were drunk in #ubuntu07:57
shadeofgreyokay.07:57
shadeofgreywhaztever07:57
shadeofgreywhy does the fact that i drink in any way belittle my perdicament?07:58
Kyralno07:58
shadeofgreyhave i made a request you couldnt honestly fill?07:59
shadeofgreyive come here many times and thanked EVERYBODY here for what they do07:59
shadeofgreynow im asking for legitimate help07:59
shadeofgreyif i should be doing so in a different place, byu all means, shove me in thre right direction07:59
shadeofgrey.....im on four wheels07:59
shadeofgreygravity and the laws of motion take care of most of it. all you need is a direction to send me08:00
shadeofgrey'are you important?08:00
shadeofgreydo you make the decisions?08:00
shadeofgreyis it a matter of money?08:00
shadeofgreyid gladly make a $100 donation to the ubuntu team or whatever in exchange for a hand08:00
shadeofgreyc'mon dude...  SAY SOMETHING08:01
KyralMost of us are asleep08:01
Kyralor going to08:01
shadeofgreyokay08:01
shadeofgreywhens a good time to come back and grovel08:01
Kyralalso...we don't control AbiWord08:01
shadeofgreyfine08:01
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shadeofgreywhat text editor capable of handling 300 pages at a time has a cursor thats a square and has the ability to adjust its font size08:02
shadeofgreyobviously....  the words have to be big or im ....  shit out of luck.08:02
KyralUse a Screen Magnifier08:03
shadeofgreyis thee one for ubuntu?08:04
Kyralshould be08:04
KyralI don't knwo08:04
Kyralcheck08:04
KyralI'm going to bed before I faceplant on the keyboard08:05
shadeofgrey...thanks08:05
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RiddellKamion: kubuntu 20060217 live and 20060217.2 install good on all 3 architectures08:23
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Mithrandirmjg59: I'm wondering if running ddcprobe while usplash is running is a bad idea.09:02
fabbioneMithrandir: it probably is09:12
fabbioneiirc even with FB gives out bad results09:14
Mithrandirit seems it's just the EDID info which goes bad, not the rest of the info.09:14
fabbioneMithrandir: are you thinking about the livecd?09:18
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Mithrandirfabbione: yeah09:20
fabbionefor livecd will do09:20
Mithrandirhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/31830/09:20
Ubugtumalone bug 31830 in xorg xserver-xorg "Incorrect screen resolution in Dapper LiveCD" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  09:20
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Chipzzgrmbl09:53
Chipzzgrub is fucked up since last update09:53
Chipzzaaaaaaargh09:53
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sivangChipzz: there's a background image now , try to comment the splash line in your menu.lst and see if this works10:31
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mdkeelmo, can you resend the docteam svn password for Brian Burger (https://launchpad.net/people/yh728), he had lost his gnupg passphrase and had to make another key. 10:40
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siretartmorning11:29
KinnisonMorning11:33
siretarthi Kinnison 11:35
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Kinnisonhey siretart11:37
sivanghi Kinnison , 'sup?11:38
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sivanghey siretart 11:39
siretarthi sivang 11:39
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Kinnisonerm, sivang11:43
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sivangKinnison: my poor kinnie, why so?11:43
Kinnisontired because of poor nights sleep11:44
Kinnisonpoor because of having to pay for more house-move related stuff11:45
sivangKinnison: ahhh I see. Didn't you find a bargain for the move over?11:45
Kinnisonwell yes, but it's not 100% cheap to move11:46
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KinnisonI still have to pay for things like a homebuyer's survey11:46
sivangKinnison: what is that??11:46
pittihi11:46
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giftnudelhow can I debug the nm-applet from network-manager, it fails silently but I can't figure out why (DBUS_VERBOSE=1 doesnt't help)11:52
Kinnisonsivang: it's where someone investigates the house to check for damp, damage which isn't superficially obvious, etc11:53
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Kinnisonguys, we're one powerpc builder down until the sysadmins can get to and fix adare11:57
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mdkeis it worth filing a few bugs against gnome-power-manager for abnormal activity, or is it still early days and lots of problems are known?12:22
slomo_infinity, lamont: please give-back beagle on ppc12:23
jdubmdke: bugs12:23
mdkejdub, okey dokey12:23
mdkejdub, are you in london already?12:24
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jdubmdke: nah, arriving on monday12:42
Treenaksjdub: do you ever stay in .au for longer than a week? :)12:43
jdubTreenaks: ha ha, yeah :)12:45
ploumTreenaks, I wonder if jdub ever stay in a given country for longer than a week12:46
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ploumjdub, will you be at FOSDEM next saturday ? (or only sunday)12:46
Kinnisonmmm fosdem12:47
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jdubploum: yes, i will, and will come to your meeting :)12:47
jdubKinnison: you going to fosdem?12:47
Kinnisonjdub: natch12:47
jdubawesome12:47
Kinnisonjdub: Will you be in the Roy on Friday night?12:47
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jdubroy?12:48
ploum(like samson)12:48
ploumjdub, really great !12:48
ploumThank you a lot12:48
jdubploum: so, a few people were concerned about that12:48
jdubploum: worrying if i would lose my unix mojo or something12:48
Kinnisonjdub: There's a pub where we often book out the top floor and drink lots of cherrybeer on the friday night12:48
ploumit seems not..12:48
jdubploum: but i think i'm the opposite12:48
Kamionplease let me know soon if you have anything you think should be in the Flight CD 4 release notes: high-impact changes or things that require widespread testing12:49
Kinnisonjdub: It's called the Roy d'Espagne12:49
jdubKinnison: will have to find it :)12:49
ploumKinnison, it's a great pub indeed12:49
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KamionI have nearly 2000 dapper-changes messages for that time period to sift through, and it's unlikely I'll get non-installer/liveCD things by myself12:50
jdubKamion: do you know if there's another flight review in the wiki?12:51
Kamionjdub: yes12:51
jdubKamion: mihrt be worth referencing that for desktop stuff12:51
jdubcool12:51
Kamionalready talked to mgalvin about that12:51
Kamion(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight4)12:51
jdubmaybe we should use those pages as the real release notes, and make the emails really short? :)12:51
KamionI think those pages are a bit *too* verbose for the "here's the installer/liveCD stuff we fixed that you would never have noticed through ordinary upgrades" stuff12:53
Kamionbut they work well as release notes for the rest of the system, certainly12:53
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Lathiathrm12:55
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Lathiatas its not overly obvious12:55
jsgotangcothose can be used as release notes?01:02
=== jsgotangco thought release notes were rather a bit techie always
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Kinnisonciau01:04
=== jsgotangco actually started https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes a few months ago
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sladenkent: 01:20
sladenkeybuk: your ADSL is broken and the SOA timeout on your domain too short!01:21
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vovkavhello everybody! Is there anybody who is absolutely happy with his (opensourced) source and bug -tracking system and it's glue?01:26
Treenakswhat do you mean?01:26
Lathiati guess hes asking for reocmmendations of an open source source/bug tracking software01:28
Lathiattrac si the only one i know of01:28
Lathiatit seems to work01:28
vovkavLathiat Treenaks: absolutely yes!01:28
Lathiattis a litle offtopic but :)01:29
Lathiathrm01:30
Lathiatwhen we had that downtime01:30
Lathiatdid the data center move?01:30
Lathiati only get 50K/s from archive. and cdimage. now :(01:31
Lathiatused to be able to get my full 150K/s01:31
HiddenWolfarchive is slow indeed01:36
HiddenWolfoh, wait, pulling 323kB/s now01:36
HiddenWolfStill, that used to be ~650 for me.01:36
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HiddenWolfmjg59: ping02:14
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mjg59HiddenWolf: Hi02:17
HiddenWolfmjg59: Hi02:17
HiddenWolfDo you mind if I bug you with a question? something seems to mess up suspend/hibernate here.02:18
mjg59Sure, go ahead02:18
HiddenWolfI'm using a desktop system. nforce4-based, nvidia graphics card, nv drivers. I was trying to see if pressing the sleep/hibernate buttons would do something.02:19
mjg59Ok02:19
HiddenWolfIt seems the system jumps immediatly. The screen goes black and the power led starts blinkining. It does not save session, just wham.02:20
mjg59Suspend? That's correct.02:20
HiddenWolfSame for hibernate.02:20
mjg59How are you triggering hibernate?02:21
mjg59Hibernation should not leave the power light flashing02:21
HiddenWolfpanel > log out dialogue > hibernate02:21
mjg59I've absolutely no clue what the panel stuff does02:22
mjg59Can you try using gnome-power-manager instead?02:22
HiddenWolfhow do I trigger that one?02:23
mjg59Ah. With some trouble.02:23
mjg59Nngh.02:23
mjg59Ok. From a shell, do /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh ?02:23
mjg59(with sudo)02:23
HiddenWolfhere goes02:24
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HiddenWolfmjg59: back, not succesful02:27
HiddenWolfmjg59: I should've piped the output to a file, but there where some errors in there.02:28
mjg59HiddenWolf: "Not succesful" in what way?02:28
HiddenWolfpower buttons stayed on, some activity, screen suspended, had to reset to wake up.02:29
HiddenWolfbutton -> led02:29
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mjg59Edit /etc/default/acpi-support and change the DPMS statement to false02:30
HiddenWolfand then try again. :)02:32
mjg59HiddenWolf: Yup02:32
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HiddenWolfwhat was that script again? it didn't save my bash history02:33
Treenaks14:23 <       mjg59> Ok. From a shell, do /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh ?02:34
Treenaks?#02:34
HiddenWolfhuh, now it comes back on automatically02:36
HiddenWolfquite a few errors in there.02:37
HiddenWolfmjg59: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/881402:39
mjg59HiddenWolf: mkswap /dev/whatever; swapon -a02:41
mjg59Then try again02:41
HiddenWolfthat is with "computer sleep type suspend" btw02:41
mjg59That doesn't affect this02:42
HiddenWolf/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-swap none            swap    sw              0       002:42
HiddenWolfthat's the default lvm swap setup02:42
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HiddenWolfon sata / lvm 02:42
mjg59Oh. I wonder how well tested this is for LVM swap.02:43
mjg59In any case - have you mkswapped?02:43
HiddenWolfnot yet.02:43
HiddenWolfhidde@megaera:~$ sudo mkswap /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-swap; swapon -a02:44
HiddenWolfSetting up swapspace version 1, size = 2147479 kB02:44
HiddenWolfno label, UUID=8c5e7412-eac1-43f5-a835-5cb76441b53902:44
HiddenWolfswapon: /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-swap: Operation not permitted02:44
mjg59sudo swapon -a02:45
HiddenWolfno error now.02:46
mjg59Right. Now try hibernating.02:47
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HiddenWolfapparantly succesful shutdown, apparantly normal boot sequence02:52
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mjg59HiddenWolf: Ok. What does RESUME equal in /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf ?02:53
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mjg59(You'll need to mkinitramfs and swapon again)02:53
HiddenWolf#RESUME=02:54
HiddenWolfnothing there02:54
mjg59Change it to RESUME=/dev/whatever02:54
mjg59And get rid of the comment character02:54
mjg59Then rebuild your initramfs02:54
HiddenWolfwhere should it go to?02:56
mjg59?02:58
HiddenWolfI've never done mkinitramfs, and it's asking for an ouput location. :)02:58
mjg59Oh02:58
mjg59Just do update-initramfs -u02:58
HiddenWolfswap is on again.03:00
HiddenWolfhibernating again03:03
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HWolfcame back up, got to an X session. No keyboard/mouse03:07
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jsgotangcommm??03:08
HiddenWolfjsgotangco: I'm trying for a working suspend/hibernate03:09
jsgotangcoahhh03:09
jsgotangcoi should disable my nvidia to try that too03:09
HiddenWolfand using up mjg59's saturday doing it. :)03:09
HiddenWolfWhich is actually pretty stupid on my part, since grub is fucked up. :P03:10
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HiddenWolfI can't get to rescue mode if things crap out.03:10
mjg59HiddenWolf: So it resumed, but stuff was broken?03:10
HiddenWolfmjg59: yeah, my x/session/windows where back03:11
HiddenWolfmjg59: mouse was on the position I left it.03:11
HiddenWolfkeyboard and mouse did not respond however.03:11
mjg59HiddenWolf: USB keyboard?03:11
HiddenWolfyes, mouse too.03:11
mjg59Ok03:11
mjg59Edit /etc/acpi/prepare.sh and comment out the block that starts "Now do something similar for USB"03:12
HiddenWolfcheck03:13
mjg59Should work now03:13
HiddenWolfHm.03:14
HiddenWolfwithout the mkswap swapon stuff? :)03:14
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mjg59Without, yeah03:16
HiddenWolfI'll give it a shot03:16
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HiddenWolfmjg59: that did it. Ain't pretty, but it works03:19
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HiddenWolfgrub messed up, no usplash, screen corruption before turning to normal, but it works.03:21
jbaileymjg59: Hmm.  Reminds me that I should file bugs about my laptop (Toshiba) suspending and not resuming.03:22
mjg59"grub messed up"?03:22
HiddenWolfmjg59: something went wrong with the grub splash image update.03:23
Chipzzsivang: I'm aware of that; grub just doesn't work at all atm :/03:23
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HiddenWolfmjg59: text unreadable, and blotches of color on the screen. no working option selection.03:23
mjg59HiddenWolf: Ok, not my fault03:23
Chipzzno menu, no booting ubuntu, no booting windows, no nothing :(03:23
HiddenWolfmjg59: I know. :)03:23
zakamehi devs03:24
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mjg59Lathiat: If you pull latest git, your battery ought to be fixed03:27
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HiddenWolfmjg59: thank you for your help.03:37
mjg59No problem03:37
HiddenWolfGood to see that it works, altho with a bit of hackery.03:38
mjg59I've just uploaded the USB fix. The lack of RESUME= is because you're tracking dapper and it got broken.03:40
HiddenWolfSo I can remove the comment chars from the file.03:40
mjg59Just upgrade to the latest acpi-support once it gets built03:41
HiddenWolfI'll do that.03:42
HiddenWolfwho should I talk to for the grub thing? keybuk?03:43
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sladenmjg59: on the TP, it's doing suspend,  then on resume it immediately suspends (second resume is fine)03:57
mjg59sladen: What is?04:00
mjg59(How are you triggering suspend?)04:00
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HiddenWolfmjg59, you should really talk to lmanul and seb and make sure that the logout dialogue does the same thing as g-p-m and the system menu. :)04:02
lmanulHiddenWolf: can I help ? :)04:02
HiddenWolflmanul: ;)04:03
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lmanulWhat the logout dialog does for suspend (for example) is basically call  gdm_set_logout_action (GDM_LOGOUT_ACTION_SUSPEND);04:04
mjg59lmanul: The logout dialog needs to avoid showing the sleep option unless sleep is enabled04:06
HiddenWolfAnd sleep should really be called suspend, imho04:07
HiddenWolfit is everywhere else.04:07
lmanulThat's what it does :)04:07
mjg59lmanul: How does it determine whether sleep is enabled?04:08
lmanulsuspend_supported = gdm_supports_logout_action (GDM_LOGOUT_ACTION_SUSPEND);04:08
mjg59Oh04:08
mjg59No, that's not going to work04:08
lmanulWhat should be used instead ?04:08
mjg59hal04:08
lmanul(that was in the previous code, by the way)04:08
mjg59It also needs to talk to gpm04:08
mjg59Yeah, we're in a brave new world now :)04:09
lmanulHmm, I'm not very familiar with thos :)04:09
lmanulthose04:09
lmanulI might break something :-p04:09
lmanulIs there a standard, easy to use procedure ?04:09
mjg59Not to hand04:09
mjg59This needs to be integrated with g-p-m to determine whether the user has enabled sleep or not04:10
lmanulHuh, "easy to use" = I mean "easy to copy-paste" :-p04:10
lmanulHmm, I see04:10
HiddenWolfIf the user has set 'hibernate' in gpm, it should only offer hibernate.04:10
HiddenWolfI guess04:10
lmanulWell, I guess I'm not going to do this myself (I don't know much about hal or gpm)04:10
lmanulBut I'll speak to seb128 about this04:11
siretartBenC: I notice you closed bug 30962, but I see this problem still in 2.6.15-15.2104:12
Ubugtumalone bug 30962 in wine "Running wine applications instantly outputs "Killed." in the terminal" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3096204:12
siretartBenC: do I miss something?04:12
BenCsiretart: No, I set it to "Fix committed"04:12
siretartaah, ok. I see04:13
BenCuploading today I hope04:13
siretartno problem04:13
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ograKamion, ubuntu daily 20060217.2 install all arches are good04:15
BenCis there "one true" place to set http proxy so all or most things use it?04:17
BenClike macosx does :)04:17
jdubBenC: no04:17
maswanelmo, Znarl: is it intentional that *.releases.u.c (including se) is pointing to releases.u.c which has no ACC IPs?04:18
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fabbionehey BenC 04:18
BenCthat sucks...we should enable some kind of quick and dirty ip rules to do that04:18
BenCfabbione: hey04:18
fabbioneBenC: please please please pull from me before uploading04:18
BenCI did a pull yesterday04:18
BenCis there anything new?04:18
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fabbioneyou didn't push to kernel.org?04:18
fabbioneBenC: there was a RH cluster update04:19
BenCI pushed04:19
BenCmaybe I missed some revs04:19
jdubfabbione: do you do much with the linu ha project?04:19
BenCoh wait, I git-fetched, but I forget to git-pull from the branch :)04:19
fabbioneBenC: hehe04:20
fabbionejdub: i work a lot with the RH guys..04:20
jdubhmm04:20
fabbioneBenC: i also pushed a niagara branch on people. It should be ready for merge by monday04:25
fabbioneBenC: i have a couple of fixes to push to David04:25
BenCsweet04:25
fabbioneBenC: and we got to userland this night04:25
BenCI have to get my e3k booted so I can do a test build with it04:25
fabbionebut it's kind of *cough*UNSTABLE*cough*04:25
maswanhmm.. I wonder if a niagara would make a decent archive server frontend04:25
BenCwe'll try for niagra merge for next upload04:25
fabbioneBenC: yeah i am planning to work with David across the weekend04:26
fabbionei didn't find any regression on the kernel04:26
BenCfabbione: pulled/merged/pushing04:26
fabbioneso whatever breaks is SUN4V specific04:26
fabbioneBenC: thanks mate04:26
fabbionemaswan: http://vger.kernel.org/~davem/cgi-bin/blog.cgi/index.html04:26
fabbione[    9.389691]  Brought up 32 CPUs04:27
fabbionethat's better than porn04:27
fabbioneand porn > *04:27
lmanulfabbione: now that's questionnable :)04:28
siretartemacs python mode rocks04:28
fabbionelmanul: well of course... porn > 32 CPUs > * ;)04:28
sladenmjg59: fn-f404:29
jsgotangcodamn sunfire with 32cpus04:29
fabbionejsgotangco: it's one CPU04:30
fabbione8 cores04:30
fabbione4 threads x core04:30
fabbioneit's like 32CPUS04:30
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fabbioneexcept that it consumes less than a light bulb04:30
maswanfabbione: neat. that'd make a good frontend to a backend nas thingie, I tihnk. too bad it is not relevant for work, due to lack of fpu.04:30
fabbionecpu             : UltraSparc T1 (Niagara)04:30
fabbionefpu             : UltraSparc T1 integrated FPU04:30
maswanfabbione: well, yeah, one.04:31
fabbioneit's still ONE cpu :)04:31
maswanmy point is, that it is way underpowered fpu-wise04:31
fabbioneyes i agree04:31
maswanfor technical computational workloads04:32
fabbioneit's still a nice toy for frontends04:32
maswanbut for running apache, it's probably pretty neat. :)04:32
fabbioneyeah exactly04:32
BenCI think it's mainly meant for server virtualization04:32
BenCthe Solaris port for it allows you to use a UI to drag and drap components from one virtual server to another04:32
fabbionei still wnat one... or two :)04:33
maswannow, if each of those cores had done at least one FMA per cycle, or even better, each of those threads...04:33
mjg59sladen: With g-p-m?04:33
BenCLike "Drag the database from Node1 to Node2", "Upgrade Node1 for security patches, reboot", "Drag database back to Node1"04:33
maswanBenC: neat04:33
sladenmjg59: from X, just do Fn-F4 which I guess is handled by your acpi-support packages so g-p-m shouldn't be involved?04:34
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mjg59sladen: No, it should all go through g-p-m now04:34
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HiddenWolfit takes like a full minute to download 27 mails, put them in the relevant folders, and update the bold folder names.04:38
sladenmjg59: yup, it is04:39
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BenCHiddenWolf: mine's not that slow04:57
HiddenWolfBenC: I can clock it. :/04:57
BenCpop3 to local folders, and I have like 30k emails in 20 folders04:58
BenCone folder has > 10k04:58
HiddenWolfBenC: I'm using an imap server off-continent, but any other client is still substancially faster.04:58
HiddenWolfThe email comes in fast enough.04:58
BenCHiddenWolf: still didn't seem that slow when I was doing imap over my sat connection04:59
BenCand that is _high_ latency04:59
HiddenWolfIt just takes ages to get it from inbox to the folders.04:59
fabbioneBenC: you won't believe it.. i figured why my machine has been slow to death since .15 something...04:59
BenCwell, when I was doing imap I had fetchmail on the remote putting things in folders04:59
BenCfabbione: the amd64?04:59
fabbioneBenC: DMA is not enabled on any of the disks.. it was with .12 tho...04:59
fabbioneBenC: yes04:59
fabbioneBenC: it does the same on i386 kernels04:59
BenCfabbione: odd04:59
BenCcan you enable dma by default?05:00
BenCerr, enable it manually05:00
fabbioneBenC: i did try using hdparm but it refuses..05:00
fabbioneon .15 ..05:00
fabbionewith i386 kernel05:00
BenCwhat IDE controller?05:00
fabbionei didn't test amd64 yet..05:00
fabbionea bunch of them...05:00
BenCand can you blacklist ide-generic and see if that helps?05:00
fabbionehole on...05:00
fabbionehold on05:00
fabbioneBenC: yes i can.. i figured 3 minutes ago05:01
fabbioneand i can't exactly reboot at the moment05:01
BenCok, I'd be really interested in knowing if that helps..I've heard rumors similar to your performance problems05:01
fabbione0000:00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)05:02
fabbionei think the controller is this one05:02
BenCand I've also had atleast one issue where ide-generic is getting loaded when it shouldn't05:02
fabbionei have something like 10 disks in this machines on different controllers..05:02
BenCdoes dmesg show ide-via taking control of those disks?05:02
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fabbionei am not sure...05:03
BenCseems not even the ACPI update required ABI bump, so that's good05:04
fabbioneeven kern.log doesn't have all of it05:04
fabbioneFeb 17 13:08:02 gordian kernel: [4294678.334000]  VP_IDE: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide005:04
fabbioneFeb 17 13:08:02 gordian kernel: [4294678.334000]  VP_IDE: port 0x0170 already claimed by ide105:04
fabbioneprobably this one05:04
fabbionethe kernel buffer is too short for this box05:04
BenCyeah, looks like ide-generic took it :/05:04
BenCfabbione: dmesg -s7000005:05
fabbioneno problem.. i can test after i finish the last test build for niagara .1505:05
BenCdefault dmesg buffer is too short05:05
fabbionei did look at kern.log05:05
BenCah, ok05:05
fabbionesame story05:05
fabbioneFeb 17 13:08:02 gordian kernel: No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled. 05:06
fabbioneFeb 17 13:08:02 gordian kernel: ors (120034 MB)05:06
fabbioneFeb 17 13:08:02 gordian kernel: [4294672.993000]  SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back05:06
fabbionethis is the first useful thing i get in kern.log05:06
BenCI still think that's a udev issue, but according to one report I have "ide-generic only gets loaded if the rootfs isn't found after loading other ide modules"05:06
fabbionei think i overexagerated with hw on this box05:06
BenCbut that conflicts with what I see on your system05:06
fabbioneyes.. i will try and let you know by tomorrow05:06
fabbioneor later05:07
BenCok05:07
fabbionebut if it is ide-module....05:08
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BenClol05:08
fabbionesomebody will wake up with a dead horse head in the bed...05:08
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HiddenWolfmjg59: ping05:51
mjg59HiddenWolf: Hi05:51
HiddenWolfmjg59: since that resume magic, my mouse seems to sometimes give two events when clicking, instead of one05:52
HiddenWolfor rather, sometimes I get a doubleclick result for the price of a single click05:53
mjg59HiddenWolf: No idea, I'm afraid05:53
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HiddenWolfTreenaks: nforce4-based crap. :)05:55
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ploum_what is this "I want a pony" on the fridge ?06:02
ploum_(It's quite funny but I don't really understand :-) )06:03
jpatrickploum_: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg ;)06:07
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ploum_jpatrick, but why ?06:09
jpatrickno idea06:09
ploum_I waaaaant a ponyyyyyyyyy !06:09
ploum_(or at least a swallow)06:10
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HiddenWolfmjg59: again, Hi. I had some trouble modprobing modules after my hibernate-adventure.06:22
HiddenWolfmjg59: udev loads the wrong driver for my tv-card, usually a modprobe -r modprobe set of commands fixes that. This time I had to reboot to make the kernel listen.06:26
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siretartmjg59: your're my hero. acpi-support 0.59 seems to fix my usb resuming problems (bug 29634). I wonder how unloading and reload usb modules can be harmful06:40
Ubugtumalone bug 29634 in linux-source-2.6.15 "usb dead after hibernate/resume on Thinkpad R40-2772-B3G" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2963406:40
siretartis the version number coincidence with your nick? ;)06:40
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HiddenWolfsiretart: probably a kernel fighting with acpi problem. :P06:49
mjg59HiddenWolf: Almost certainly not my bug06:49
HiddenWolfno, I should spank keybuk. ;)06:50
HiddenWolfmjg59: but it behaves differently after reboot than on resume06:50
HiddenWolfthat is odd06:50
TreenaksHiddenWolf: did you upgrade your kernel between tries? :)06:50
HiddenWolfTreenaks: no06:50
somervilim getting "Software lockup detected on CPU#0" while Enterprise Volume Management is attempting to start. Im running latest dapper. This happens with 2.6.15 i386;i686, and 2.6.14 on a Dell inspiron 8600 (pentium M)... anyone seen similar ?06:51
somervil...erm not sure if this question belongs here or in #ubuntu...06:53
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KyralKamion: Mind if I help with the Espresso docs?07:30
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simiraI try here, since #ubuntu seems to be of no help07:42
simiracan someone help me make java work with Opera in Ubuntu?07:42
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sebestis it just me or the top right menu is broken on http://fridge.ubuntu.com/ with firefox?08:04
HiddenWolfit is, and has been for a while08:05
Treenaksworks fine for me08:05
HiddenWolfjdub: ^^^08:05
Treenaks(Upcoming Events, right?)08:06
HiddenWolfTreenaks: main menu button bar is at the bottom of the screen for me.08:06
Treenaksoh the TABS08:06
Treenaks:P08:06
sebestthe tabs yes08:06
HiddenWolfAround Breezy at 2Gbit/s08:06
sebestfor me it always stay at the bottom of the page08:07
sebestwhen i resize the page, but not when i scroll08:07
HiddenWolffor me it is around the height of the card picture, and stays there.08:07
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HieronymusMy wireless network card doesn't work anymore in dapper. (It worked with 5.10) on what package should I file a bug?08:25
Kyralwhat kind of card08:26
Kyralwait..I thought I was in #ubuntu08:26
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LaserJockdoko: ping?09:08
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maeis gnome 2.14 going to make it into dapper?11:03
Kinnisonby definition, yes11:04
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maeneat :)11:11
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Kamionogra: thanks!11:21
KamionKyral: sure, there aren't any at the moment ;-)11:21
KamionKyral: happy to take patches as bzr branches from http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/espresso/ubuntu/, or if you want to do it independently, whatever11:22
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Lathiatmjg59: oh, cool11:33
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KamionKyral: (and unfortunately I have pretty much no time to work on any, but I think I mentioned that before, so help is good)11:35
LaserJockwho do I need to contact to get a package moved from multiverse to universe?11:41
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LaserJockKamion: can you change the repo for a package? or elmo?11:48
tepsipakkiargh, firefox is killin me... when you scroll the mousewheel rapidly, it goes to a previous/next page depending on the direction11:48
tepsipakki+g11:48
tepsipakkisince when has it done this?11:48
KamionLaserJock: I can - what's the package, and why?11:48
Kamion(BTW the term is "component")11:48
LaserJockKamion: sorry for the lack of proper terminology. ggobi was moved from non-free to main in Debian a while ago because it was relicenses under GPL. It should be moved from multiverse to universe I belive.11:53
LaserJockKamion: see http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/ggobi/news/5.html for instance11:54
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SeveasKamion, has the CC already picked a date and time for the next meeting?12:01

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