[01:51] <aquarius> Is there any way of getting the upstream URLs for a bunch of packages without parsing them out of debian/copyright? I can't find any listed in packages or on Launchpad.
[01:52] <lifeless> uscan's data file
[01:53] <aquarius> ah, nice. Didn't know about uscan.
[01:54] <aquarius> How does the data file stay up to date?
[01:55] <minghua> aquarius: debian/watch
[01:55] <aquarius> ah, it doesn't have a data file per se, it uses debian/watch. Cool.
[01:56] <aquarius> That's very useful. One other thing: if I wanted to read the watch files for all the packages in the archive, would I need to get the sources of all of them and look in debian/watch for all of them?
[02:29] <anibal> aquarius: not every package has a debian/watch file
[02:29] <aquarius> anibal: yep, I'm just discovering that :)
[02:34] <anibal> aquarius: for package pbzip2 you could try http://dehs.alioth.debian.org/maintainer.php?name=pbzip2 to see the uscan information of package pbzip2
[02:37] <aquarius> anibal: ah, interesting
[02:38] <aquarius> Would hitting that page once for every package be considered bad?
[02:39] <anibal> aquarius: not at all
[02:41] <anibal> aquarius: but, you could sleep a few seconds before between hits
[02:41] <aquarius> anibal: oh, certainly I'd do that. :)
[03:17] <wasabi_> So should python-uno be working?
[04:31] <ogra> Kamion, edubuntu daily 20060217.4 and daily-live 20060218 tested on all arches, all gold and ready for flight 4
[04:33] <ogra> Kamion, rsync for ubuntu daily 20060217.2 is running, will test these as soon as i got up ...
[05:17] <LaserJock> can apt handle checking for local installations (i.e. from a source tarball) of a package to satisfy deps?  I imagine not but I though I'd ask
[05:44] <dabaR> Does anyone know why bob2 is never coming to freenode any more, or at least that he is fine and well?
[06:58] <zakame> hi devs :)
[07:50] <shadeofgrey> okay...
[07:50] <shadeofgrey> i know im not supposed to be here
[07:50] <shadeofgrey> but i have a gripe
[07:50] <shadeofgrey> actually
[07:50] <shadeofgrey> id rather take this opportunity to grovel
[07:51] <shadeofgrey> would one of you cool, awesome, brilliant coder folks write like 3 lines of code and find a way to make either the abiword or the openoffice cursor a full square?
[07:51] <shadeofgrey> im going blind gradually over tiume, and its now almost impoosible for me to work on my novels without spending hours re-editing huge portiohs of text because i canbt see the damn cursor
[07:52] <shadeofgrey> im handicapped.  i have one good arm, and four fingers on my lefty hand that work well enough to tuype with
[07:52] <shadeofgrey> i now have glaucoma and will be blind in less than two years
[07:52] <shadeofgrey> i REALLY need to hurry and get some stuff written before i cant see and have to stop and spend a year teaching my dumb ass braille
[07:56] <Kyral> ...
[07:57] <shadeofgrey> yeah its dumb
[07:57] <shadeofgrey> i know
[07:57] <Kyral> Come back sober yes?
[07:57] <shadeofgrey> i am sober
[07:57] <shadeofgrey> what, you think im kidding?
[07:57] <Kyral> I could swear you said you were drunk in #ubuntu
[07:57] <shadeofgrey> okay.
[07:57] <shadeofgrey> whaztever
[07:58] <shadeofgrey> why does the fact that i drink in any way belittle my perdicament?
[07:58] <Kyral> no
[07:59] <shadeofgrey> have i made a request you couldnt honestly fill?
[07:59] <shadeofgrey> ive come here many times and thanked EVERYBODY here for what they do
[07:59] <shadeofgrey> now im asking for legitimate help
[07:59] <shadeofgrey> if i should be doing so in a different place, byu all means, shove me in thre right direction
[07:59] <shadeofgrey> .....im on four wheels
[08:00] <shadeofgrey> gravity and the laws of motion take care of most of it. all you need is a direction to send me
[08:00] <shadeofgrey> 'are you important?
[08:00] <shadeofgrey> do you make the decisions?
[08:00] <shadeofgrey> is it a matter of money?
[08:00] <shadeofgrey> id gladly make a $100 donation to the ubuntu team or whatever in exchange for a hand
[08:01] <shadeofgrey> c'mon dude...  SAY SOMETHING
[08:01] <Kyral> Most of us are asleep
[08:01] <Kyral> or going to
[08:01] <shadeofgrey> okay
[08:01] <shadeofgrey> whens a good time to come back and grovel
[08:01] <Kyral> also...we don't control AbiWord
[08:01] <shadeofgrey> fine
[08:02] <shadeofgrey> what text editor capable of handling 300 pages at a time has a cursor thats a square and has the ability to adjust its font size
[08:02] <shadeofgrey> obviously....  the words have to be big or im ....  shit out of luck.
[08:03] <Kyral> Use a Screen Magnifier
[08:04] <shadeofgrey> is thee one for ubuntu?
[08:04] <Kyral> should be
[08:04] <Kyral> I don't knwo
[08:04] <Kyral> check
[08:05] <Kyral> I'm going to bed before I faceplant on the keyboard
[08:05] <shadeofgrey> ...thanks
[08:23] <Riddell> Kamion: kubuntu 20060217 live and 20060217.2 install good on all 3 architectures
[09:02] <Mithrandir> mjg59: I'm wondering if running ddcprobe while usplash is running is a bad idea.
[09:12] <fabbione> Mithrandir: it probably is
[09:14] <fabbione> iirc even with FB gives out bad results
[09:14] <Mithrandir> it seems it's just the EDID info which goes bad, not the rest of the info.
[09:18] <fabbione> Mithrandir: are you thinking about the livecd?
[09:20] <Mithrandir> fabbione: yeah
[09:20] <fabbione> for livecd will do
[09:20] <Mithrandir> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/31830/
[09:20] <Ubugtu> malone bug 31830 in xorg xserver-xorg "Incorrect screen resolution in Dapper LiveCD" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[09:53] <Chipzz> grmbl
[09:53] <Chipzz> grub is fucked up since last update
[09:53] <Chipzz> aaaaaaargh
[10:31] <sivang> Chipzz: there's a background image now , try to comment the splash line in your menu.lst and see if this works
[10:40] <mdke> elmo, can you resend the docteam svn password for Brian Burger (https://launchpad.net/people/yh728), he had lost his gnupg passphrase and had to make another key. 
[11:29] <siretart> morning
[11:33] <Kinnison> Morning
[11:35] <siretart> hi Kinnison 
[11:37] <Kinnison> hey siretart
[11:38] <sivang> hi Kinnison , 'sup?
[11:39] <sivang> hey siretart 
[11:39] <siretart> hi sivang 
[11:43] <Kinnison> erm, sivang
[11:43] <sivang> Kinnison: my poor kinnie, why so?
[11:44] <Kinnison> tired because of poor nights sleep
[11:45] <Kinnison> poor because of having to pay for more house-move related stuff
[11:45] <sivang> Kinnison: ahhh I see. Didn't you find a bargain for the move over?
[11:46] <Kinnison> well yes, but it's not 100% cheap to move
[11:46] <Kinnison> I still have to pay for things like a homebuyer's survey
[11:46] <sivang> Kinnison: what is that??
[11:46] <pitti> hi
[11:52] <giftnudel> how can I debug the nm-applet from network-manager, it fails silently but I can't figure out why (DBUS_VERBOSE=1 doesnt't help)
[11:53] <Kinnison> sivang: it's where someone investigates the house to check for damp, damage which isn't superficially obvious, etc
[11:57] <Kinnison> guys, we're one powerpc builder down until the sysadmins can get to and fix adare
[12:22] <mdke> is it worth filing a few bugs against gnome-power-manager for abnormal activity, or is it still early days and lots of problems are known?
[12:23] <slomo_> infinity, lamont: please give-back beagle on ppc
[12:23] <jdub> mdke: bugs
[12:23] <mdke> jdub, okey dokey
[12:24] <mdke> jdub, are you in london already?
[12:42] <jdub> mdke: nah, arriving on monday
[12:43] <Treenaks> jdub: do you ever stay in .au for longer than a week? :)
[12:45] <jdub> Treenaks: ha ha, yeah :)
[12:46] <ploum> Treenaks, I wonder if jdub ever stay in a given country for longer than a week
[12:46] <ploum> jdub, will you be at FOSDEM next saturday ? (or only sunday)
[12:47] <Kinnison> mmm fosdem
[12:47] <jdub> ploum: yes, i will, and will come to your meeting :)
[12:47] <jdub> Kinnison: you going to fosdem?
[12:47] <Kinnison> jdub: natch
[12:47] <jdub> awesome
[12:47] <Kinnison> jdub: Will you be in the Roy on Friday night?
[12:48] <jdub> roy?
[12:48] <ploum> (like samson)
[12:48] <ploum> jdub, really great !
[12:48] <ploum> Thank you a lot
[12:48] <jdub> ploum: so, a few people were concerned about that
[12:48] <jdub> ploum: worrying if i would lose my unix mojo or something
[12:48] <Kinnison> jdub: There's a pub where we often book out the top floor and drink lots of cherrybeer on the friday night
[12:48] <ploum> it seems not..
[12:48] <jdub> ploum: but i think i'm the opposite
[12:49] <Kamion> please let me know soon if you have anything you think should be in the Flight CD 4 release notes: high-impact changes or things that require widespread testing
[12:49] <Kinnison> jdub: It's called the Roy d'Espagne
[12:49] <jdub> Kinnison: will have to find it :)
[12:49] <ploum> Kinnison, it's a great pub indeed
[12:50] <Kamion> I have nearly 2000 dapper-changes messages for that time period to sift through, and it's unlikely I'll get non-installer/liveCD things by myself
[12:51] <jdub> Kamion: do you know if there's another flight review in the wiki?
[12:51] <Kamion> jdub: yes
[12:51] <jdub> Kamion: mihrt be worth referencing that for desktop stuff
[12:51] <jdub> cool
[12:51] <Kamion> already talked to mgalvin about that
[12:51] <Kamion> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight4)
[12:51] <jdub> maybe we should use those pages as the real release notes, and make the emails really short? :)
[12:53] <Kamion> I think those pages are a bit *too* verbose for the "here's the installer/liveCD stuff we fixed that you would never have noticed through ordinary upgrades" stuff
[12:53] <Kamion> but they work well as release notes for the rest of the system, certainly
[12:55] <Lathiat> hrm
[12:55] <Lathiat> as its not overly obvious
[01:02] <jsgotangco> those can be used as release notes?
[01:04] <Kinnison> ciau
[01:20] <sladen> kent: 
[01:21] <sladen> keybuk: your ADSL is broken and the SOA timeout on your domain too short!
[01:26] <vovkav> hello everybody! Is there anybody who is absolutely happy with his (opensourced) source and bug -tracking system and it's glue?
[01:26] <Treenaks> what do you mean?
[01:28] <Lathiat> i guess hes asking for reocmmendations of an open source source/bug tracking software
[01:28] <Lathiat> trac si the only one i know of
[01:28] <Lathiat> it seems to work
[01:28] <vovkav> Lathiat Treenaks: absolutely yes!
[01:29] <Lathiat> tis a litle offtopic but :)
[01:30] <Lathiat> hrm
[01:30] <Lathiat> when we had that downtime
[01:30] <Lathiat> did the data center move?
[01:31] <Lathiat> i only get 50K/s from archive. and cdimage. now :(
[01:31] <Lathiat> used to be able to get my full 150K/s
[01:36] <HiddenWolf> archive is slow indeed
[01:36] <HiddenWolf> oh, wait, pulling 323kB/s now
[01:36] <HiddenWolf> Still, that used to be ~650 for me.
[02:14] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: ping
[02:17] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: Hi
[02:17] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: Hi
[02:18] <HiddenWolf> Do you mind if I bug you with a question? something seems to mess up suspend/hibernate here.
[02:18] <mjg59> Sure, go ahead
[02:19] <HiddenWolf> I'm using a desktop system. nforce4-based, nvidia graphics card, nv drivers. I was trying to see if pressing the sleep/hibernate buttons would do something.
[02:19] <mjg59> Ok
[02:20] <HiddenWolf> It seems the system jumps immediatly. The screen goes black and the power led starts blinkining. It does not save session, just wham.
[02:20] <mjg59> Suspend? That's correct.
[02:20] <HiddenWolf> Same for hibernate.
[02:21] <mjg59> How are you triggering hibernate?
[02:21] <mjg59> Hibernation should not leave the power light flashing
[02:21] <HiddenWolf> panel > log out dialogue > hibernate
[02:22] <mjg59> I've absolutely no clue what the panel stuff does
[02:22] <mjg59> Can you try using gnome-power-manager instead?
[02:23] <HiddenWolf> how do I trigger that one?
[02:23] <mjg59> Ah. With some trouble.
[02:23] <mjg59> Nngh.
[02:23] <mjg59> Ok. From a shell, do /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh ?
[02:23] <mjg59> (with sudo)
[02:24] <HiddenWolf> here goes
[02:27] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: back, not succesful
[02:28] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: I should've piped the output to a file, but there where some errors in there.
[02:28] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: "Not succesful" in what way?
[02:29] <HiddenWolf> power buttons stayed on, some activity, screen suspended, had to reset to wake up.
[02:29] <HiddenWolf> button -> led
[02:30] <mjg59> Edit /etc/default/acpi-support and change the DPMS statement to false
[02:32] <HiddenWolf> and then try again. :)
[02:32] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: Yup
[02:33] <HiddenWolf> what was that script again? it didn't save my bash history
[02:34] <Treenaks> 14:23 <       mjg59> Ok. From a shell, do /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh ?
[02:34] <Treenaks> ?#
[02:36] <HiddenWolf> huh, now it comes back on automatically
[02:37] <HiddenWolf> quite a few errors in there.
[02:39] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8814
[02:41] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: mkswap /dev/whatever; swapon -a
[02:41] <mjg59> Then try again
[02:41] <HiddenWolf> that is with "computer sleep type suspend" btw
[02:42] <mjg59> That doesn't affect this
[02:42] <HiddenWolf> /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-swap none            swap    sw              0       0
[02:42] <HiddenWolf> that's the default lvm swap setup
[02:42] <HiddenWolf> on sata / lvm 
[02:43] <mjg59> Oh. I wonder how well tested this is for LVM swap.
[02:43] <mjg59> In any case - have you mkswapped?
[02:43] <HiddenWolf> not yet.
[02:44] <HiddenWolf> hidde@megaera:~$ sudo mkswap /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-swap; swapon -a
[02:44] <HiddenWolf> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 2147479 kB
[02:44] <HiddenWolf> no label, UUID=8c5e7412-eac1-43f5-a835-5cb76441b539
[02:44] <HiddenWolf> swapon: /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-swap: Operation not permitted
[02:45] <mjg59> sudo swapon -a
[02:46] <HiddenWolf> no error now.
[02:47] <mjg59> Right. Now try hibernating.
[02:52] <HiddenWolf> apparantly succesful shutdown, apparantly normal boot sequence
[02:53] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: Ok. What does RESUME equal in /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf ?
[02:53] <mjg59> (You'll need to mkinitramfs and swapon again)
[02:54] <HiddenWolf> #RESUME=
[02:54] <HiddenWolf> nothing there
[02:54] <mjg59> Change it to RESUME=/dev/whatever
[02:54] <mjg59> And get rid of the comment character
[02:54] <mjg59> Then rebuild your initramfs
[02:56] <HiddenWolf> where should it go to?
[02:58] <mjg59> ?
[02:58] <HiddenWolf> I've never done mkinitramfs, and it's asking for an ouput location. :)
[02:58] <mjg59> Oh
[02:58] <mjg59> Just do update-initramfs -u
[03:00] <HiddenWolf> swap is on again.
[03:03] <HiddenWolf> hibernating again
[03:07] <HWolf> came back up, got to an X session. No keyboard/mouse
[03:08] <jsgotangco> mmm??
[03:09] <HiddenWolf> jsgotangco: I'm trying for a working suspend/hibernate
[03:09] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[03:09] <jsgotangco> i should disable my nvidia to try that too
[03:09] <HiddenWolf> and using up mjg59's saturday doing it. :)
[03:10] <HiddenWolf> Which is actually pretty stupid on my part, since grub is fucked up. :P
[03:10] <HiddenWolf> I can't get to rescue mode if things crap out.
[03:10] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: So it resumed, but stuff was broken?
[03:11] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: yeah, my x/session/windows where back
[03:11] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: mouse was on the position I left it.
[03:11] <HiddenWolf> keyboard and mouse did not respond however.
[03:11] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: USB keyboard?
[03:11] <HiddenWolf> yes, mouse too.
[03:11] <mjg59> Ok
[03:12] <mjg59> Edit /etc/acpi/prepare.sh and comment out the block that starts "Now do something similar for USB"
[03:13] <HiddenWolf> check
[03:13] <mjg59> Should work now
[03:14] <HiddenWolf> Hm.
[03:14] <HiddenWolf> without the mkswap swapon stuff? :)
[03:16] <mjg59> Without, yeah
[03:16] <HiddenWolf> I'll give it a shot
[03:19] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: that did it. Ain't pretty, but it works
[03:21] <HiddenWolf> grub messed up, no usplash, screen corruption before turning to normal, but it works.
[03:22] <jbailey> mjg59: Hmm.  Reminds me that I should file bugs about my laptop (Toshiba) suspending and not resuming.
[03:22] <mjg59> "grub messed up"?
[03:23] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: something went wrong with the grub splash image update.
[03:23] <Chipzz> sivang: I'm aware of that; grub just doesn't work at all atm :/
[03:23] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: text unreadable, and blotches of color on the screen. no working option selection.
[03:23] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: Ok, not my fault
[03:23] <Chipzz> no menu, no booting ubuntu, no booting windows, no nothing :(
[03:23] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: I know. :)
[03:24] <zakame> hi devs
[03:27] <mjg59> Lathiat: If you pull latest git, your battery ought to be fixed
[03:37] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: thank you for your help.
[03:37] <mjg59> No problem
[03:38] <HiddenWolf> Good to see that it works, altho with a bit of hackery.
[03:40] <mjg59> I've just uploaded the USB fix. The lack of RESUME= is because you're tracking dapper and it got broken.
[03:40] <HiddenWolf> So I can remove the comment chars from the file.
[03:41] <mjg59> Just upgrade to the latest acpi-support once it gets built
[03:42] <HiddenWolf> I'll do that.
[03:43] <HiddenWolf> who should I talk to for the grub thing? keybuk?
[03:57] <sladen> mjg59: on the TP, it's doing suspend,  then on resume it immediately suspends (second resume is fine)
[04:00] <mjg59> sladen: What is?
[04:00] <mjg59> (How are you triggering suspend?)
[04:02] <HiddenWolf> mjg59, you should really talk to lmanul and seb and make sure that the logout dialogue does the same thing as g-p-m and the system menu. :)
[04:02] <lmanul> HiddenWolf: can I help ? :)
[04:03] <HiddenWolf> lmanul: ;)
[04:04] <lmanul> What the logout dialog does for suspend (for example) is basically call  gdm_set_logout_action (GDM_LOGOUT_ACTION_SUSPEND);
[04:06] <mjg59> lmanul: The logout dialog needs to avoid showing the sleep option unless sleep is enabled
[04:07] <HiddenWolf> And sleep should really be called suspend, imho
[04:07] <HiddenWolf> it is everywhere else.
[04:07] <lmanul> That's what it does :)
[04:08] <mjg59> lmanul: How does it determine whether sleep is enabled?
[04:08] <lmanul> suspend_supported = gdm_supports_logout_action (GDM_LOGOUT_ACTION_SUSPEND);
[04:08] <mjg59> Oh
[04:08] <mjg59> No, that's not going to work
[04:08] <lmanul> What should be used instead ?
[04:08] <mjg59> hal
[04:08] <lmanul> (that was in the previous code, by the way)
[04:08] <mjg59> It also needs to talk to gpm
[04:09] <mjg59> Yeah, we're in a brave new world now :)
[04:09] <lmanul> Hmm, I'm not very familiar with thos :)
[04:09] <lmanul> those
[04:09] <lmanul> I might break something :-p
[04:09] <lmanul> Is there a standard, easy to use procedure ?
[04:09] <mjg59> Not to hand
[04:10] <mjg59> This needs to be integrated with g-p-m to determine whether the user has enabled sleep or not
[04:10] <lmanul> Huh, "easy to use" = I mean "easy to copy-paste" :-p
[04:10] <lmanul> Hmm, I see
[04:10] <HiddenWolf> If the user has set 'hibernate' in gpm, it should only offer hibernate.
[04:10] <HiddenWolf> I guess
[04:10] <lmanul> Well, I guess I'm not going to do this myself (I don't know much about hal or gpm)
[04:11] <lmanul> But I'll speak to seb128 about this
[04:12] <siretart> BenC: I notice you closed bug 30962, but I see this problem still in 2.6.15-15.21
[04:12] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30962 in wine "Running wine applications instantly outputs "Killed." in the terminal" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30962
[04:12] <siretart> BenC: do I miss something?
[04:12] <BenC> siretart: No, I set it to "Fix committed"
[04:13] <siretart> aah, ok. I see
[04:13] <BenC> uploading today I hope
[04:13] <siretart> no problem
[04:15] <ogra> Kamion, ubuntu daily 20060217.2 install all arches are good
[04:17] <BenC> is there "one true" place to set http proxy so all or most things use it?
[04:17] <BenC> like macosx does :)
[04:17] <jdub> BenC: no
[04:18] <maswan> elmo, Znarl: is it intentional that *.releases.u.c (including se) is pointing to releases.u.c which has no ACC IPs?
[04:18] <fabbione> hey BenC 
[04:18] <BenC> that sucks...we should enable some kind of quick and dirty ip rules to do that
[04:18] <BenC> fabbione: hey
[04:18] <fabbione> BenC: please please please pull from me before uploading
[04:18] <BenC> I did a pull yesterday
[04:18] <BenC> is there anything new?
[04:18] <fabbione> you didn't push to kernel.org?
[04:19] <fabbione> BenC: there was a RH cluster update
[04:19] <BenC> I pushed
[04:19] <BenC> maybe I missed some revs
[04:19] <jdub> fabbione: do you do much with the linu ha project?
[04:19] <BenC> oh wait, I git-fetched, but I forget to git-pull from the branch :)
[04:20] <fabbione> BenC: hehe
[04:20] <fabbione> jdub: i work a lot with the RH guys..
[04:20] <jdub> hmm
[04:25] <fabbione> BenC: i also pushed a niagara branch on people. It should be ready for merge by monday
[04:25] <fabbione> BenC: i have a couple of fixes to push to David
[04:25] <BenC> sweet
[04:25] <fabbione> BenC: and we got to userland this night
[04:25] <BenC> I have to get my e3k booted so I can do a test build with it
[04:25] <fabbione> but it's kind of *cough*UNSTABLE*cough*
[04:25] <maswan> hmm.. I wonder if a niagara would make a decent archive server frontend
[04:25] <BenC> we'll try for niagra merge for next upload
[04:26] <fabbione> BenC: yeah i am planning to work with David across the weekend
[04:26] <fabbione> i didn't find any regression on the kernel
[04:26] <BenC> fabbione: pulled/merged/pushing
[04:26] <fabbione> so whatever breaks is SUN4V specific
[04:26] <fabbione> BenC: thanks mate
[04:26] <fabbione> maswan: http://vger.kernel.org/~davem/cgi-bin/blog.cgi/index.html
[04:27] <fabbione> [    9.389691]  Brought up 32 CPUs
[04:27] <fabbione> that's better than porn
[04:27] <fabbione> and porn > *
[04:28] <lmanul> fabbione: now that's questionnable :)
[04:28] <siretart> emacs python mode rocks
[04:28] <fabbione> lmanul: well of course... porn > 32 CPUs > * ;)
[04:29] <sladen> mjg59: fn-f4
[04:29] <jsgotangco> damn sunfire with 32cpus
[04:30] <fabbione> jsgotangco: it's one CPU
[04:30] <fabbione> 8 cores
[04:30] <fabbione> 4 threads x core
[04:30] <fabbione> it's like 32CPUS
[04:30] <fabbione> except that it consumes less than a light bulb
[04:30] <maswan> fabbione: neat. that'd make a good frontend to a backend nas thingie, I tihnk. too bad it is not relevant for work, due to lack of fpu.
[04:30] <fabbione> cpu             : UltraSparc T1 (Niagara)
[04:30] <fabbione> fpu             : UltraSparc T1 integrated FPU
[04:31] <maswan> fabbione: well, yeah, one.
[04:31] <fabbione> it's still ONE cpu :)
[04:31] <maswan> my point is, that it is way underpowered fpu-wise
[04:31] <fabbione> yes i agree
[04:32] <maswan> for technical computational workloads
[04:32] <fabbione> it's still a nice toy for frontends
[04:32] <maswan> but for running apache, it's probably pretty neat. :)
[04:32] <fabbione> yeah exactly
[04:32] <BenC> I think it's mainly meant for server virtualization
[04:32] <BenC> the Solaris port for it allows you to use a UI to drag and drap components from one virtual server to another
[04:33] <fabbione> i still wnat one... or two :)
[04:33] <maswan> now, if each of those cores had done at least one FMA per cycle, or even better, each of those threads...
[04:33] <mjg59> sladen: With g-p-m?
[04:33] <BenC> Like "Drag the database from Node1 to Node2", "Upgrade Node1 for security patches, reboot", "Drag database back to Node1"
[04:33] <maswan> BenC: neat
[04:34] <sladen> mjg59: from X, just do Fn-F4 which I guess is handled by your acpi-support packages so g-p-m shouldn't be involved?
[04:34] <mjg59> sladen: No, it should all go through g-p-m now
[04:38] <HiddenWolf> it takes like a full minute to download 27 mails, put them in the relevant folders, and update the bold folder names.
[04:39] <sladen> mjg59: yup, it is
[04:57] <BenC> HiddenWolf: mine's not that slow
[04:57] <HiddenWolf> BenC: I can clock it. :/
[04:58] <BenC> pop3 to local folders, and I have like 30k emails in 20 folders
[04:58] <BenC> one folder has > 10k
[04:58] <HiddenWolf> BenC: I'm using an imap server off-continent, but any other client is still substancially faster.
[04:58] <HiddenWolf> The email comes in fast enough.
[04:59] <BenC> HiddenWolf: still didn't seem that slow when I was doing imap over my sat connection
[04:59] <BenC> and that is _high_ latency
[04:59] <HiddenWolf> It just takes ages to get it from inbox to the folders.
[04:59] <fabbione> BenC: you won't believe it.. i figured why my machine has been slow to death since .15 something...
[04:59] <BenC> well, when I was doing imap I had fetchmail on the remote putting things in folders
[04:59] <BenC> fabbione: the amd64?
[04:59] <fabbione> BenC: DMA is not enabled on any of the disks.. it was with .12 tho...
[04:59] <fabbione> BenC: yes
[04:59] <fabbione> BenC: it does the same on i386 kernels
[04:59] <BenC> fabbione: odd
[05:00] <BenC> can you enable dma by default?
[05:00] <BenC> err, enable it manually
[05:00] <fabbione> BenC: i did try using hdparm but it refuses..
[05:00] <fabbione> on .15 ..
[05:00] <fabbione> with i386 kernel
[05:00] <BenC> what IDE controller?
[05:00] <fabbione> i didn't test amd64 yet..
[05:00] <fabbione> a bunch of them...
[05:00] <BenC> and can you blacklist ide-generic and see if that helps?
[05:00] <fabbione> hole on...
[05:00] <fabbione> hold on
[05:01] <fabbione> BenC: yes i can.. i figured 3 minutes ago
[05:01] <fabbione> and i can't exactly reboot at the moment
[05:01] <BenC> ok, I'd be really interested in knowing if that helps..I've heard rumors similar to your performance problems
[05:02] <fabbione> 0000:00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
[05:02] <fabbione> i think the controller is this one
[05:02] <BenC> and I've also had atleast one issue where ide-generic is getting loaded when it shouldn't
[05:02] <fabbione> i have something like 10 disks in this machines on different controllers..
[05:02] <BenC> does dmesg show ide-via taking control of those disks?
[05:03] <fabbione> i am not sure...
[05:04] <BenC> seems not even the ACPI update required ABI bump, so that's good
[05:04] <fabbione> even kern.log doesn't have all of it
[05:04] <fabbione> Feb 17 13:08:02 gordian kernel: [4294678.334000]  VP_IDE: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide0
[05:04] <fabbione> Feb 17 13:08:02 gordian kernel: [4294678.334000]  VP_IDE: port 0x0170 already claimed by ide1
[05:04] <fabbione> probably this one
[05:04] <fabbione> the kernel buffer is too short for this box
[05:04] <BenC> yeah, looks like ide-generic took it :/
[05:05] <BenC> fabbione: dmesg -s70000
[05:05] <fabbione> no problem.. i can test after i finish the last test build for niagara .15
[05:05] <BenC> default dmesg buffer is too short
[05:05] <fabbione> i did look at kern.log
[05:05] <BenC> ah, ok
[05:05] <fabbione> same story
[05:06] <fabbione> Feb 17 13:08:02 gordian kernel: No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled. 
[05:06] <fabbione> Feb 17 13:08:02 gordian kernel: ors (120034 MB)
[05:06] <fabbione> Feb 17 13:08:02 gordian kernel: [4294672.993000]  SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back
[05:06] <fabbione> this is the first useful thing i get in kern.log
[05:06] <BenC> I still think that's a udev issue, but according to one report I have "ide-generic only gets loaded if the rootfs isn't found after loading other ide modules"
[05:06] <fabbione> i think i overexagerated with hw on this box
[05:06] <BenC> but that conflicts with what I see on your system
[05:06] <fabbione> yes.. i will try and let you know by tomorrow
[05:07] <fabbione> or later
[05:07] <BenC> ok
[05:08] <fabbione> but if it is ide-module....
[05:08] <BenC> lol
[05:08] <fabbione> somebody will wake up with a dead horse head in the bed...
[05:51] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: ping
[05:51] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: Hi
[05:52] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: since that resume magic, my mouse seems to sometimes give two events when clicking, instead of one
[05:53] <HiddenWolf> or rather, sometimes I get a doubleclick result for the price of a single click
[05:53] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: No idea, I'm afraid
[05:55] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks: nforce4-based crap. :)
[06:02] <ploum_> what is this "I want a pony" on the fridge ?
[06:03] <ploum_> (It's quite funny but I don't really understand :-) )
[06:07] <jpatrick> ploum_: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg ;)
[06:09] <ploum_> jpatrick, but why ?
[06:09] <jpatrick> no idea
[06:09] <ploum_> I waaaaant a ponyyyyyyyyy !
[06:10] <ploum_> (or at least a swallow)
[06:22] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: again, Hi. I had some trouble modprobing modules after my hibernate-adventure.
[06:26] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: udev loads the wrong driver for my tv-card, usually a modprobe -r modprobe set of commands fixes that. This time I had to reboot to make the kernel listen.
[06:40] <siretart> mjg59: your're my hero. acpi-support 0.59 seems to fix my usb resuming problems (bug 29634). I wonder how unloading and reload usb modules can be harmful
[06:40] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29634 in linux-source-2.6.15 "usb dead after hibernate/resume on Thinkpad R40-2772-B3G" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29634
[06:40] <siretart> is the version number coincidence with your nick? ;)
[06:49] <HiddenWolf> siretart: probably a kernel fighting with acpi problem. :P
[06:49] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: Almost certainly not my bug
[06:50] <HiddenWolf> no, I should spank keybuk. ;)
[06:50] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: but it behaves differently after reboot than on resume
[06:50] <HiddenWolf> that is odd
[06:50] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: did you upgrade your kernel between tries? :)
[06:50] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks: no
[06:51] <somervil> im getting "Software lockup detected on CPU#0" while Enterprise Volume Management is attempting to start. Im running latest dapper. This happens with 2.6.15 i386;i686, and 2.6.14 on a Dell inspiron 8600 (pentium M)... anyone seen similar ?
[06:53] <somervil> ...erm not sure if this question belongs here or in #ubuntu...
[07:30] <Kyral> Kamion: Mind if I help with the Espresso docs?
[07:42] <simira> I try here, since #ubuntu seems to be of no help
[07:42] <simira> can someone help me make java work with Opera in Ubuntu?
[08:04] <sebest> is it just me or the top right menu is broken on http://fridge.ubuntu.com/ with firefox?
[08:05] <HiddenWolf> it is, and has been for a while
[08:05] <Treenaks> works fine for me
[08:05] <HiddenWolf> jdub: ^^^
[08:06] <Treenaks> (Upcoming Events, right?)
[08:06] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks: main menu button bar is at the bottom of the screen for me.
[08:06] <Treenaks> oh the TABS
[08:06] <Treenaks> :P
[08:06] <sebest> the tabs yes
[08:06] <HiddenWolf> Around Breezy at 2Gbit/s
[08:07] <sebest> for me it always stay at the bottom of the page
[08:07] <sebest> when i resize the page, but not when i scroll
[08:07] <HiddenWolf> for me it is around the height of the card picture, and stays there.
[08:25] <Hieronymus> My wireless network card doesn't work anymore in dapper. (It worked with 5.10) on what package should I file a bug?
[08:26] <Kyral> what kind of card
[08:26] <Kyral> wait..I thought I was in #ubuntu
[09:08] <LaserJock> doko: ping?
[11:03] <mae> is gnome 2.14 going to make it into dapper?
[11:04] <Kinnison> by definition, yes
[11:11] <mae> neat :)
[11:21] <Kamion> ogra: thanks!
[11:21] <Kamion> Kyral: sure, there aren't any at the moment ;-)
[11:22] <Kamion> Kyral: happy to take patches as bzr branches from http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/espresso/ubuntu/, or if you want to do it independently, whatever
[11:33] <Lathiat> mjg59: oh, cool
[11:35] <Kamion> Kyral: (and unfortunately I have pretty much no time to work on any, but I think I mentioned that before, so help is good)
[11:41] <LaserJock> who do I need to contact to get a package moved from multiverse to universe?
[11:48] <LaserJock> Kamion: can you change the repo for a package? or elmo?
[11:48] <tepsipakki> argh, firefox is killin me... when you scroll the mousewheel rapidly, it goes to a previous/next page depending on the direction
[11:48] <tepsipakki> +g
[11:48] <tepsipakki> since when has it done this?
[11:48] <Kamion> LaserJock: I can - what's the package, and why?
[11:48] <Kamion> (BTW the term is "component")
[11:53] <LaserJock> Kamion: sorry for the lack of proper terminology. ggobi was moved from non-free to main in Debian a while ago because it was relicenses under GPL. It should be moved from multiverse to universe I belive.
[11:54] <LaserJock> Kamion: see http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/ggobi/news/5.html for instance
[12:01] <Seveas> Kamion, has the CC already picked a date and time for the next meeting?