[12:04] <mdke_> Kyral, no offense but I already told you twice that there are.
[12:04] <mdke_> espresso-ubuntu-doc - Ubuntu documentation and help files for Espresso live installer
[12:05] <mdke_> espresso-guadalinex-doc - Guadalinex documentation and help files for Espresso live installer
[12:06] <mdke_> i haven't taken a look yet
[12:07] <mdke_> but it's a vital starting point, in any case
[12:07] <Kyral> mdke_: Its been hectic recently for me, sorry
[12:09] <mdke_> np
[12:10] <mdke_> Kyral, you would want to talk to Kamion about the installer/installer docs, he has been working on those
[12:10] <Kyral> Yah I spoke to him earlier about it
[12:11] <mdke_> good stuff
[12:11] <mdke_> he didn't mention those docs??
[12:11] <Kyral> I dunno if I told him I was the guy from the DocTeam that would be writing the Documentation though lol
[12:12] <mdke_> well, anyone is welcome to work on documentation
[12:12] <mdke_> probably the source for that is in a bzr repo of his
[12:12] <mdke_> no doubt he'll welcome patches :)
[12:12] <Kyral> Yuah...but I think I put my name on the list didn't I?
[12:13] <mdke_> Kyral, dude, this is open source, anyone can contribute. If patches are good, I'm sure Colin will apply them
[12:14] <Kyral> I know, I just meant I'm "responsible", know what I'm trying to say?
[12:14] <mdke_> no
[12:14] <mdke_> Colin is responsible, he'll merge the code
[12:14] <mdke_> in regard of that package, anyhow
[12:15] <mdke_> i'm sure he'll accept patches
[12:15] <Kyral> I didn't mean for the Installer itself. I meant Installing Ubuntu thing
[12:16] <mdke_> i'm talking about the docs for the installer, I don't know what form it is in
[12:17] <mdke_> we'll have to install that package and find out
[12:34] <dsas> Does anyone think it's worth linking to "dive into python" from the Programming section of the desktop guide?
[12:34] <Burgwork> dsas, yep
[12:34] <Burgwork> foolish not to use an exisiting resource
[12:34] <Burgwork> also promote python heavily
[12:34] <Burgwork> mark's vision of python on Ubunt is much like VB on Windows, the everywhere glue language
[12:35] <dsas> that's what I thought, looking for a tutorial on gtk-python somewhere on the net too...
[12:35] <dsas> or pygtk even
[12:36] <mpt__> http://pygtk.org/tutorial.html
[12:36] <dsas> I'm just looking at that now..
[12:45] <dsas> is there a particular tool people use for editing docbook, or is it just a case of using an editor
[12:46] <Burgwork> dsas, I use gedit
[12:47] <dsas> I thought that that was what is was a case of....I've been using vim up to now, but wasn't sure if there was anything "better" out there.
[12:48] <Burgwork> I have heard that vim/emacs have some nice plugins
[12:50] <dsas> i'll give those a try sometime then..
[01:21] <Kyral> the Emacs plugin is just a general plugin for SGML type markup (which Docbook is)
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[01:23] <dsas> I was more into the idea of the vim one tbh...I'm not an emacs fan.
[10:12] <mdke> morning
[10:12] <Madpilot> hi
[10:12] <mdke> Madpilot, so the <procedure><step> stuff isn't too bad? perhaps we should do it
[10:13] <Madpilot> you saw my email to the list?
[10:13] <mdke> not yet
[10:13] <mdke> just yesterday in here
[10:14] <mdke> ah i see :(
[10:14] <Madpilot> it looks OK, but it seems to slow Yelp's loading down even further - and common-tasks.xml is currently non-valid
[10:14] <mdke>  someone went ahead and converted it?
[10:15] <Madpilot> yeah, haven't reviewed the commit email to see who - jjesse maybe
[10:16] <mdke> unlikely
[10:16] <Madpilot> Author: jeffsch
[10:16] <Madpilot> Date: Sat Feb 18 00:18:32 2006
[10:16] <Madpilot> New Revision: 2440
[10:16] <Madpilot> Modified:
[10:16] <Madpilot>   trunk/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks.xml
[10:16] <Madpilot> Log:
[10:16] <Madpilot> replaced itemizedlist and listitem tags with procedure and step tags
[10:16] <Madpilot> ...and he must not have run the validation script...
[10:16] <mdke> gah
[10:17] <mdke> i think i would have preferred him to wait for us to discuss it, but hey, we can always revert if it is bumming stuff up
[10:17] <Madpilot> I won't paste the /.validate script errors, it's several terminal screens long
[10:18] <mdke> i'll chec it out now
[10:18] <mdke> desktopguide.xml validates ok
[10:18] <mdke> he says, without svn upping
[10:18] <Madpilot> rev 2440 is current
[10:19] <mdke> ok i get this: http://pastebin.com/560823
[10:19] <Madpilot> that looks like what I get
[10:20] <Madpilot> see my email - it does work in Yelp, but seems slower
[10:21] <mdke> hmm
[10:21] <mdke> i'm bad at judging speed
[10:23] <mdke> hopefully jeffsch will reply and tell us what he is up to
[10:24] <Madpilot> ...and how to fix common-tasks...
[10:25] <Madpilot> anyway, the diff I created fixes a few minor things, if you think it's worth committing - typos & status tags, mostly
[10:29] <mdke> it may be easier to revert jeffsch's change if we don't apply it quite yet
[10:29] <mdke> although, it shouldn't be too difficult anyway
[10:29] <Madpilot> yeah, was thinking that too
[10:30] <mdke> which?
[10:31] <Madpilot> not bothering with my patch until we figure out what we're doing abou the invalid code...
[10:31] <mdke> alright, we can keep it on standby
[10:31] <mdke> i'll apply dsas's patch tho
[10:34] <Madpilot> I'd fogotten about his - only to config-system, so no conflict w/ our c-t issues
[10:34] <mdke> actually, let's apply your patch
[10:35] <mdke> then if jeff needs to revert the procedures, we don't lose your changes
[10:35] <Madpilot> sure
[10:35] <mdke> if we revert first, it may be difficult to reapply your changes
[10:35] <mdke> Madpilot, now, on the "Synaptic/Advanced" point
[10:36] <mdke> you're probably right
[10:36] <mdke> actually, you're definitely right
[10:38] <Madpilot> OK, I'll patch that tomorrow sometime, unless someone beats me to it
[10:39] <Madpilot> Anyway, need to get off this damned machine, I got up at 0600 local to join the docteam meeting, and it's now almost 0200 local... :P
[10:39] <mdke> ok, good night
[10:40] <Madpilot> talk to you tomorrow sometime
[10:40] <mdke> okies
[02:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> bugger. wanted to talk to js
[04:05] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser, can I help?
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke: i was just going to ask about edubuntus docs and what was happening with them. don't know if your familar with what they are doing.
[04:06] <mdke> a bit
[04:07] <mdke> there are 2 documents in our repository
[04:07] <mdke> about edubuntu, and release notes
[04:07] <mdke> there is a cookbook project, which you'll find in launchpad
[04:07] <jsgotangco> about to add one more :)
[04:08] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser, ah, you can talk to jsgotangco about it
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. thanks mdke
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi jsgotangco :0
[04:09] <jsgotangco> the cookbook is a bit vaporware for now....we havent seen it at all
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have the wiki page open right now - is that it in it's entirity?
[04:10] <jsgotangco> so me and mhz_food thought of doing a quickguide for the edubuntu apps
[04:10] <mdke> i thought the cookbook is quite far progressed?
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> so a quick help on each one? or some major/usefull apps?
[04:10] <mdke> that was posted to the list recently
[04:10] <jsgotangco> i dunno there is supposed to be a baz archive but the usa folks say its in lore
[04:11] <mdke> jsgotangco, have a look at it, it's registered in launchpad. Lore is a format, not a version control system. I believe there is a bzr branch you can grab
[04:12] <jsgotangco> mdke, even the edubuntu meetings haven't been successful on this...
[04:12] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/people/kjcole/+branch/edubuntu.cookbook/wip
[04:12] <jsgotangco> ask mhz_food he knows about it
[04:13] <mdke> shame they didn't work with our tools
[04:13] <jsgotangco> thats what we were saying
[04:13] <jsgotangco> i've used lore but its not useful for our workflow
[04:17] <jsgotangco> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ebuntu
[04:17] <jsgotangco> eeeekkkk
[04:17] <jsgotangco> not that one
[04:17] <jsgotangco> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu
[04:17] <jsgotangco> where is that
[04:17] <jsgotangco> hrmm
[04:18] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSoftwareList
[04:19] <jsgotangco> Kamping_Kaiser, if you look at that url, it shows the desktop apps
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> jsgotangco: just opening now
[04:19] <jsgotangco> we were thinking of putting that as a doc then add more info on age group, field of study etc.
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> jsgotangco: wow. big list
[04:21] <jsgotangco> well excluding the server apps
[08:44] <LaserJock> mhz: I love your descriptive nicks :-)
[08:44] <mhz> LaserJock: lol
[08:44] <mhz> thx
[08:45] <mhz> LaserJock: i think it is more personalized and very specific. I can't see the point of beeing 'away'
[08:46] <LaserJock> yes, I especially like _dishes ;-)
[08:46] <LaserJock> but I bet you don't
[08:47] <mhz> LaserJock: hehehe, I certainly do, or else my wife would kick me badly
[09:55] <manicka> which parts of the kubuntu docs are in need of the most love at the moment?
[09:55] <jjesse> desktop guide
[09:55] <jjesse> we are making a reall push to make sure that it is done by doc freeze date
[09:57] <manicka> k
[09:57] <robotgeek> hey manicka 
[09:57] <manicka> yeah
[09:57] <robotgeek> hey jjesse 
[09:57] <manicka> hi
[09:57] <jjesse> hiya robotgeek
[09:58] <robotgeek> i wiped my breezy box, and was on to go on a trip. <sigh>
[09:59] <jjesse> installing dapper on it? or waiting for official release of flight4?
[09:59] <robotgeek> jjesse: no, i am moving. 
[09:59] <robotgeek> i was supposed to be on a flight, and that was cancelled
[09:59] <jjesse> bummer
[10:00] <robotgeek> my backup data is on it's way to it's destination, however. 
[10:01] <robotgeek> it will probably get there before I do, lol
[10:59] <mdke> evening
[11:01] <jjesse_> evening :)
[11:03] <jjesse_> mdke: do you have a second?
[11:03] <mdke> jjesse_, yes
[11:04] <jjesse_> riddell mentioned that to get the systelsheets looking correctly on doc.ubuntu.com that the kdelibs directory needs to be setup on the server or soemthing like that
[11:04] <jjesse_> i can't find the log 
[11:04] <jjesse_> where he told me exactly what needed to be changed/added
[11:05] <mdke> perhaps you could get him to hang out here
[11:05] <mhz> .oO(someone mentioned me few hours ago.. why... I never got to see the log. I guess nothing impart it was))
[11:05] <jjesse_> sure let me see if he is available
[11:05] <mdke> I saw the xincludes have been stripped out of the kubuntu desktop guide
[11:07] <jjesse_> i saw that as well
[11:15] <mdke> jjesse_, can you email me the details? I've got to go now
[11:24] <jjesse_> mdke: will do
[11:26] <LaserJock> hi jjesse_ and mdke 
[11:26] <LaserJock> I was just reading sounder and noticed the doc-team sprint idea. Is that going to happen (in any form)?
[11:28] <jjesse_> LaserJock: i don't rembmer how the discussion ended but i thought at one time it was going to be over the phone?
[11:29] <LaserJock> jjesse_: do you know who all is going to be involved?
[11:29] <jjesse_> no idea, i don't even know if it got settled as actually happening
[11:32] <LaserJock> I like the idea. It would also be nice to have some meetings with some of the website people/CC/TB .