[12:04] Kyral, no offense but I already told you twice that there are. [12:04] espresso-ubuntu-doc - Ubuntu documentation and help files for Espresso live installer [12:05] espresso-guadalinex-doc - Guadalinex documentation and help files for Espresso live installer [12:06] i haven't taken a look yet [12:07] but it's a vital starting point, in any case [12:07] mdke_: Its been hectic recently for me, sorry [12:09] np [12:10] Kyral, you would want to talk to Kamion about the installer/installer docs, he has been working on those [12:10] Yah I spoke to him earlier about it [12:11] good stuff [12:11] he didn't mention those docs?? [12:11] I dunno if I told him I was the guy from the DocTeam that would be writing the Documentation though lol [12:12] well, anyone is welcome to work on documentation [12:12] probably the source for that is in a bzr repo of his [12:12] no doubt he'll welcome patches :) [12:12] Yuah...but I think I put my name on the list didn't I? [12:13] Kyral, dude, this is open source, anyone can contribute. If patches are good, I'm sure Colin will apply them [12:14] I know, I just meant I'm "responsible", know what I'm trying to say? [12:14] no [12:14] Colin is responsible, he'll merge the code [12:14] in regard of that package, anyhow [12:15] i'm sure he'll accept patches [12:15] I didn't mean for the Installer itself. I meant Installing Ubuntu thing === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:16] i'm talking about the docs for the installer, I don't know what form it is in [12:17] we'll have to install that package and find out === mdke_ wanders off to bed === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-157-57.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:34] Does anyone think it's worth linking to "dive into python" from the Programming section of the desktop guide? [12:34] dsas, yep [12:34] foolish not to use an exisiting resource [12:34] also promote python heavily [12:34] mark's vision of python on Ubunt is much like VB on Windows, the everywhere glue language [12:35] that's what I thought, looking for a tutorial on gtk-python somewhere on the net too... [12:35] or pygtk even [12:36] http://pygtk.org/tutorial.html [12:36] I'm just looking at that now.. === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-134-78.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas that tutorial is apt-gettable too :) [12:45] is there a particular tool people use for editing docbook, or is it just a case of using an editor [12:46] dsas, I use gedit [12:47] I thought that that was what is was a case of....I've been using vim up to now, but wasn't sure if there was anything "better" out there. [12:48] I have heard that vim/emacs have some nice plugins [12:50] i'll give those a try sometime then.. === mpt_ [n=mpt@222-154-152-61.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@130.225.237.39] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-131-192.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:21] the Emacs plugin is just a general plugin for SGML type markup (which Docbook is) [01:21] [01:23] I was more into the idea of the vim one tbh...I'm not an emacs fan. === zen-afk [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.121.152] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zen-afk [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox__ [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox__ [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=bburger@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.121.152] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-137-70.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.217] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@222-154-182-73.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=bburger@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host81-129-228-69.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alexandr@Toronto-HSE-ppp3778557.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-176-23.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alexandr@Toronto-HSE-ppp3778557.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:12] morning [10:12] hi [10:12] Madpilot, so the stuff isn't too bad? perhaps we should do it [10:13] you saw my email to the list? [10:13] not yet [10:13] just yesterday in here [10:14] ah i see :( [10:14] it looks OK, but it seems to slow Yelp's loading down even further - and common-tasks.xml is currently non-valid [10:14] someone went ahead and converted it? [10:15] yeah, haven't reviewed the commit email to see who - jjesse maybe [10:16] unlikely [10:16] Author: jeffsch [10:16] Date: Sat Feb 18 00:18:32 2006 [10:16] New Revision: 2440 [10:16] Modified: [10:16] trunk/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks.xml [10:16] Log: [10:16] replaced itemizedlist and listitem tags with procedure and step tags [10:16] ...and he must not have run the validation script... [10:16] gah [10:17] i think i would have preferred him to wait for us to discuss it, but hey, we can always revert if it is bumming stuff up [10:17] I won't paste the /.validate script errors, it's several terminal screens long [10:18] i'll chec it out now [10:18] desktopguide.xml validates ok [10:18] he says, without svn upping [10:18] rev 2440 is current [10:19] ok i get this: http://pastebin.com/560823 [10:19] that looks like what I get [10:20] see my email - it does work in Yelp, but seems slower [10:21] hmm [10:21] i'm bad at judging speed [10:23] hopefully jeffsch will reply and tell us what he is up to [10:24] ...and how to fix common-tasks... [10:25] anyway, the diff I created fixes a few minor things, if you think it's worth committing - typos & status tags, mostly === mdke thinks [10:29] it may be easier to revert jeffsch's change if we don't apply it quite yet [10:29] although, it shouldn't be too difficult anyway [10:29] yeah, was thinking that too [10:30] which? [10:31] not bothering with my patch until we figure out what we're doing abou the invalid code... [10:31] alright, we can keep it on standby [10:31] i'll apply dsas's patch tho [10:34] I'd fogotten about his - only to config-system, so no conflict w/ our c-t issues [10:34] actually, let's apply your patch [10:35] then if jeff needs to revert the procedures, we don't lose your changes [10:35] sure [10:35] if we revert first, it may be difficult to reapply your changes [10:35] Madpilot, now, on the "Synaptic/Advanced" point [10:36] you're probably right [10:36] actually, you're definitely right [10:38] OK, I'll patch that tomorrow sometime, unless someone beats me to it [10:39] Anyway, need to get off this damned machine, I got up at 0600 local to join the docteam meeting, and it's now almost 0200 local... :P [10:39] ok, good night [10:40] talk to you tomorrow sometime [10:40] okies === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.127.161] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-134-78.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host81-129-228-69.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@130.225.237.39] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:36] bugger. wanted to talk to js === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:05] Kamping_Kaiser, can I help? [04:05] mdke: i was just going to ask about edubuntus docs and what was happening with them. don't know if your familar with what they are doing. [04:06] a bit [04:07] there are 2 documents in our repository [04:07] about edubuntu, and release notes [04:07] there is a cookbook project, which you'll find in launchpad [04:07] about to add one more :) [04:08] Kamping_Kaiser, ah, you can talk to jsgotangco about it [04:08] cool. thanks mdke [04:08] hi jsgotangco :0 [04:09] the cookbook is a bit vaporware for now....we havent seen it at all [04:10] i have the wiki page open right now - is that it in it's entirity? [04:10] so me and mhz_food thought of doing a quickguide for the edubuntu apps [04:10] i thought the cookbook is quite far progressed? [04:10] so a quick help on each one? or some major/usefull apps? [04:10] that was posted to the list recently [04:10] i dunno there is supposed to be a baz archive but the usa folks say its in lore [04:11] jsgotangco, have a look at it, it's registered in launchpad. Lore is a format, not a version control system. I believe there is a bzr branch you can grab === mdke looks [04:12] mdke, even the edubuntu meetings haven't been successful on this... [04:12] https://launchpad.net/people/kjcole/+branch/edubuntu.cookbook/wip [04:12] ask mhz_food he knows about it [04:13] shame they didn't work with our tools [04:13] thats what we were saying [04:13] i've used lore but its not useful for our workflow [04:17] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ebuntu [04:17] eeeekkkk [04:17] not that one [04:17] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu [04:17] where is that [04:17] hrmm [04:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSoftwareList [04:19] Kamping_Kaiser, if you look at that url, it shows the desktop apps [04:19] jsgotangco: just opening now [04:19] we were thinking of putting that as a doc then add more info on age group, field of study etc. [04:21] jsgotangco: wow. big list [04:21] well excluding the server apps === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@71.143.138.65] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@71.143.138.65] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@A-102-247.cust.iol.ie] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alexandr@Toronto-HSE-ppp3778051.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:44] mhz: I love your descriptive nicks :-) [08:44] LaserJock: lol [08:44] thx [08:45] LaserJock: i think it is more personalized and very specific. I can't see the point of beeing 'away' [08:46] yes, I especially like _dishes ;-) [08:46] but I bet you don't [08:47] LaserJock: hehehe, I certainly do, or else my wife would kick me badly === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [i=user@69-87-139-69.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:55] which parts of the kubuntu docs are in need of the most love at the moment? [09:55] desktop guide [09:55] we are making a reall push to make sure that it is done by doc freeze date [09:57] k [09:57] hey manicka [09:57] yeah [09:57] hey jjesse [09:57] hi [09:57] hiya robotgeek [09:58] i wiped my breezy box, and was on to go on a trip. [09:59] installing dapper on it? or waiting for official release of flight4? [09:59] jjesse: no, i am moving. [09:59] i was supposed to be on a flight, and that was cancelled [09:59] bummer [10:00] my backup data is on it's way to it's destination, however. [10:01] it will probably get there before I do, lol === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host81-129-228-69.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse_ [i=user@69-87-143-230.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:59] evening [11:01] evening :) [11:03] mdke: do you have a second? [11:03] jjesse_, yes [11:04] riddell mentioned that to get the systelsheets looking correctly on doc.ubuntu.com that the kdelibs directory needs to be setup on the server or soemthing like that [11:04] i can't find the log [11:04] where he told me exactly what needed to be changed/added [11:05] perhaps you could get him to hang out here [11:05] .oO(someone mentioned me few hours ago.. why... I never got to see the log. I guess nothing impart it was)) [11:05] sure let me see if he is available [11:05] I saw the xincludes have been stripped out of the kubuntu desktop guide [11:07] i saw that as well === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-242.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:15] jjesse_, can you email me the details? I've got to go now === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [11:24] mdke: will do [11:26] hi jjesse_ and mdke [11:26] I was just reading sounder and noticed the doc-team sprint idea. Is that going to happen (in any form)? [11:28] LaserJock: i don't rembmer how the discussion ended but i thought at one time it was going to be over the phone? [11:29] jjesse_: do you know who all is going to be involved? [11:29] no idea, i don't even know if it got settled as actually happening [11:32] I like the idea. It would also be nice to have some meetings with some of the website people/CC/TB . === Madpilot [n=bburger@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc