[12:16] <Psi-Jack> What would be the best way to handle converting rpm to tar.gz for debian-style deb-src?
[12:21] <TheMuso> Psi-Jack: What package are you trying to convert? Have you checked the Ubuntu and Debian archives?
[12:23] <Psi-Jack> TheMuso: I'm grabbing Lexmark X/Z-600, Z25/Z35, Z55, and Z65 printer drivers provided by Lexmark, and making Ubuntu packages for them, which don't already exist.
[12:23] <Toadstool> Psi-Jack: maybe you could try alien --to-tgz, I haven't tried it myself but it looks like it is what you're looking for.
[12:24] <Psi-Jack> And I'm trying to keep the original Lexmark-provided tar.gz files in-tact and as original as possible. :)
[12:24] <Psi-Jack> Toadstool: Yeah. That's the only option I've seen so far, since Ubuntu doesn't have an rpm2targz package for it.
[12:24] <minghua> Psi-Jack: does lexmark provide tar.gz files or rpm only?
[12:26] <Psi-Jack> minghua: They provide very annoying tar.gz with a self-extracting tar.gz.sh, embeded with rpms inside those. So, my debian/rules is going to tail -n +143 FILE.tar.gz > install.tar.gz, then extract that, then un-rpm the two files in there, and combine it into the installation, properly.
[12:27] <minghua> Ouch
[12:27] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[12:27] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. Tell me about it.
[12:27] <minghua> Psi-Jack: well, you are probably doing the best you can then
[12:27] <Psi-Jack> I might even figure out a better way than to extract out to install.tar.gz, and do it all in-line, up to the rpm parts.
[12:28] <Toadstool> ouch, really weird way to provide a tarball
[12:28] <Toadstool> Lexmark, I mean
[12:29] <Psi-Jack> minghua: Yeah. The only problem I can forsee is trying /not/ to repackage the original lexmark tarball to put all its files into a lexmark-z##/ directory and call it the _orig.
[12:29] <Psi-Jack> And better.. If any of the lexmark drivers share the same libs, I'll seperate it out into two packages. One for the common libs, and one for the specific driver parts. :)
[12:30] <Psi-Jack> How's that for working with whatcha got, packaging? :)
[12:32] <Psi-Jack> Do deb-src tarballs /have/ to untar to <packagename>/, or can they untar to the same directory, and have the diff tarball just untar the debian/ directory into there? I'm just trying to check out my options.
[12:34] <Toadstool> gn8 motus
[12:37] <minghua> Psi-Jack: IIRC the .orig.tar.gz doesn't need to untar to <packagename>-<version>/ dir, dpkg-source will handle that properly
[12:37] <Psi-Jack> It will?
[12:41] <Psi-Jack> Well, I'll try it, I guess. ;)
[12:42] <TheMuso> Psi-Jack: Have you had a look at how otoher source packages do it?
[12:43] <Psi-Jack> I looked at how skype-dsp-hijacker, and flashplugin-nonfree do it, but that's it.
[12:43] <Psi-Jack> Both of them, within the cwd, exatract to the <package-name>/ directory, and then start working with it. heh
[12:46] <minghua> Psi-Jack: packagename or packagename-version dir?
[12:47] <Psi-Jack> packagename-version
[12:47] <minghua> what I said is that the name of the dir doesn't matter, but yes, the whole thing need to be uncompressed into a dir, and then .diff.gz need to introduce a debian/ subdir in it
[12:47] <Hobbsee> Psi-Jack: what are you trying to do?
[12:48] <Psi-Jack> minghua: That's what I thought. Hmm.
[12:48] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee: Re-package Lexmark's printer drivers, into deb packages.
[12:48] <Hobbsee_away> yuck.
[12:49] <Hobbsee_away> from scratch, or did someone else do the debianisation?
[12:49] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee_away: From scratch. Nobody else has debianized.
[12:49] <Combatjuan> My kubuntu (Dapper TF2) box won't boot anymore and I'm struggling to understand why.  I suspect it has to do with installing the scratchbox package.
[12:49] <Combatjuan> The graphical kubuntu screen gets to "Starting system log daemon" and then dies to the console.  It looks like my filesystem was unable to mount.  "mount: proc already mounted" and a few more like that.  Then "cannot <do stuff> : Read-only file system"
[12:49] <Hobbsee_away> Psi-Jack: ewww...i hate doing that
[12:49] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee_away: I don't mind, since it's for a good cause. And I have like 4-5 Lexmark printers, all Z600's, though. LOL
[12:50] <Hobbsee_away> hehe
[12:50] <Psi-Jack> I just bought new printers, rather than paying double for ink refill cartridges. ;)
[12:53] <Combatjuan> If anyone has ideas on why my filesystem would mount readonly, I'd be happy to pastebin my log files or something.
[12:53] <Combatjuan> Since I can't even get into the OS it's hard for me to feel like I can fix it so I'm hoping someone has an idea.
[12:54] <Combatjuan> Can I boot with Knoppix and somehow chroot onto my kubuntu install and have it initialize?
[12:54] <minghua> LaserJock: ping
[12:54] <Combatjuan> (I hope these questions aren't too basic for this channel, the #ubuntu folk sent me here)
[12:55] <Psi-Jack> Umm, they did?
[12:55] <TheMuso> Combatjuan: Have you tried recovery mode from the grub menu? That is if you are running x86?
[12:55] <minghua> Combatjuan: it's probably the correct channel (or #ubuntu-devel) since you are using dapper, but unfortunately I have no idea where your problem could be
[12:56] <LaserJock> minghua: pong
[12:57] <minghua> LaserJock: I was trying to backport plotdrop to Debian sarge
[12:57] <Combatjuan> TheMuso, Yes x86.  Recovery mode does the same thing.
[12:57] <LaserJock> minghua: oh really?
[12:58] <minghua> LaserJock: and I have a question about dependency: is there any specific reason that plotdrop build-depends on debhelper >= 5 and gtk >= 2.8?
[12:58] <minghua> LaserJock: yeah, already built the package, not tested yet
[12:58] <atie> Combatjuan, I did one for fedora with knoppix
[12:58] <Combatjuan> TheMuso, In fact, I have a few other kernels installed (from various updates) and they all appear to do the same thing.
[12:58] <atie> s/one/once
[12:58] <minghua> hi atie, nice to meet you here
[12:58] <atie> minghua, hi
[12:59] <Combatjuan> atie, I did it once from Knoppix to Gentoo once, but there were a few obscure commands you had to run before/after chrooting that initialized a new kernel or something if I remember right.
[01:00] <LaserJock> minghua: the debhelper is just because debhelper 5 is out and gtk >=2.8 is for "prompt for confirmation when overwriting file on export"
[01:00] <atie> Combatjuan, I am not sure, just enabling /mnt/hda was OK to chroot
[01:01] <atie> with writable
[01:02] <atie> hda means boot and root
[01:04] <minghua> LaserJock: okay, then I can user debhelper 4 safely, I think
[01:04] <LaserJock> minghua: yes, I used it at one point.
[01:04] <minghua> LaserJock: for gtk, the upstream only says >= 2.4, can you give more info on that "overwrte file on export" thing?
[01:05] <Combatjuan> atie, Sorry.  I don't follow.  I was able to to chroot to a mounted /mnt/hda2 (my ubuntu install), and after running su, I was a recognizeable user.
[01:05] <LaserJock> minghua: changelog for version 0.4
[01:05] <minghua> LaserJock: cool, thanks
[01:06] <Psi-Jack> Oooh!
[01:06] <Psi-Jack> rpm2cpio blah-blah-2.1.2-1.rpm | cpio -idmv  <-- No alien dependancy. :D
[01:06] <Combatjuan> atie, I am able to use apt-get now it would seem...  I think I'm probably going to break something and need to reinstall...  I'm trying to remove some of the packages I installed before rebooting.
[01:06] <Combatjuan> Is anyone familiar with scratchbox?
[01:06] <minghua> LaserJock: hmm, I think I'll have to live without that prompt feature on sarge then :-)
[01:07] <atie> Combatjuan, then disable chroot, copy your boot to somehwere
[01:07] <Psi-Jack> No alien build-dependancy, using rpm2cpio. :D
[01:07] <atie> Combatjuan, like this cp /mnt/hda2/boot/*.* /mnt/hda1/
[01:08] <atie> Combatjuan, then you may able to edit grub.conf
[01:08] <atie> Combatjuan, from /mnt/hda1/grub/grub.conf
[01:10] <LaserJock> minghua: just curious? why are you porting it to sarge?
[01:10] <minghua> LaserJock: oh, because the server in our group uses sarge, and I want to make it available to the whole group
[01:11] <ogra> atie, grub.conf ??
[01:11] <ogra> the config in ubuntu is in menu.lst
[01:11] <ogra> unless i missed that we changed that
[01:12] <LaserJock> minghua: mind sending me the packages? upstream might want to put them on the website.
[01:12] <atie> ogra, thank for correcting me. :)
[01:12] <ogra> :)
[01:12] <minghua> LaserJock: sure, but what about after I test it? :-)
[01:13] <minghua> LaserJock: and currently it has "mh" in the debian version string...
[01:14] <LaserJock> minghua: fine, I usually put "sarge" or something like that in the version string.
[01:15] <atie> someone could help me to have amule 2.1.0-1ubuntu1 working with unicode search?
[01:15] <minghua> LaserJock: because official security update uses -XsargeY, I don't want to conflict with that (not that plotdrop is in sarge, but I plan to backport a little more)
[01:15] <LaserJock> minghua: true, good point
[01:19] <Psi-Jack> Okay.
[01:20] <Psi-Jack> Now for one more detail. These lexmark printer drivers apparently don't share common libs, so that's not an issue, but..
[01:20] <Psi-Jack> They do have include/* files, which I would like to split into -dev packages. Because normally, one doesn't need the include files. :)
[01:21] <Psi-Jack> What would I need to do to have the same deb-src bundle make both the i386 and -dev packages?
[01:22] <Combatjuan> atie: I'll try something like that.  Thanks.
[01:34] <minghua> LaserJock: was testing the plotdrop backport, half-working, but seems to have issues
[01:36] <LaserJock> minghua: yeah?
[01:43] <Psi-Jack> How do I make a diff patch?
[01:43] <TheMuso> Psi-Jack: A diff patch of what?
[01:44] <TheMuso> The diff command is used to make diffs. The -u flag is used as well.
[01:44] <TheMuso> Unless you are talking about debdiffs
[01:44] <Psi-Jack> TheMuso: I'm trying to make my diff.gz for this package, to basically build the debian/* dir.
[01:44] <TheMuso> As far as I am aware, that should be done during the package build...
[01:45] <TheMuso> Other packages that I have upgraded for myself have done that.
[01:45] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. It hasn't for me, so far..
[01:48] <TheMuso> Psi-Jack: Unfortunately I am unable to track an example package down atm, as I have got to run. Someone else in here may be able to help you.
[01:51] <minghua> Psi-Jack: do you have a package-verison/ dir already?  and do you have a debian/ dir in it?
[01:52] <Psi-Jack> minghua: Yes
[01:52] <dolson> I officially have no heat :( this snow BS is a bad reason to live in Canada
[01:53] <minghua> Psi-Jack: then do you have an package_version.orig.tar.gz outside of the package-version/ dir?
[01:53] <Psi-Jack> minghua: Correct..
[01:54] <minghua> Psi-Jack: and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot in the package-version/ dir doesn't give you a .diff.gz?
[01:54] <minghua> Psi-Jack: what version number are you using?
[01:55] <Psi-Jack> minghua: Hmmm.... I'll try that. I was doing fake root debian/rules binary, because this is a binary-only package. No source code. heh
[01:55] <azeem> binary gives you binary packages
[01:55] <azeem> .diff.gz is part of the source package
[01:55] <Psi-Jack> So I would use: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot binary  ?
[01:56] <azeem> (even if there is no source code)
[01:56] <minghua> Psi-Jack: no, you still need a source package, as azeem has pointed out
[01:56] <azeem> Psi-Jack: no, run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S to build the source package
[01:56] <minghua> Psi-Jack: it doesn't matter your "source" package is actually binary files
[01:57] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, I think I see.
[02:45] <Psi-Jack> Okay.
[02:45] <Psi-Jack> It's definately not building a diff, in fact, it's pretty much re-packing it into the tar.gz file. LOL
[02:46] <dolson> Psi-Jack: did you try `debuild -S -sa -k <your key id here>`
[02:47] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, I tried: dpkg-buildpackage -sd -rfakeroot -k<keyid>
[02:47] <minghua> Psi-Jack: what is your version number on top of the debian/changelog?
[02:47] <Psi-Jack> minghua: 1.0-0ubuntu1
[02:48] <Psi-Jack> The whole first line in changelog: lexmark-z600 (1.0-0ubuntu1) breezy; urgency=low
[02:48] <Hobbsee> why are you packaging for breezy?
[02:48] <minghua> Psi-Jack: that is fine.  are you sure you have a lexmark-z600_1.0.orig.tar.gz file outside of your build dir?
[02:50] <Psi-Jack> Yes, I do, but it's not using it at all.
[02:51] <Psi-Jack> Aha
[02:51] <Psi-Jack> Now it's working.
[02:53] <Psi-Jack> The .orig was a bz2, so it wasn't even bothering it.
[02:56] <Psi-Jack> Sweet..
[02:56] <Psi-Jack> The only thing I got left to work with, is the stupid /usr/local/z600llpddk/utility junk, which on it's own, seems useless.
[02:59] <dolson> if you do a dh_make -f ../lexmarkblahblah.tar.bz2 it creates the tar.gz
[02:59] <dolson> for future reference
[03:00] <minghua> dolson: that isn't really simpler than bunzip2 -c ../blah.tar.bz2 | gzip > blah.tar.gz, is it?
[03:01] <Psi-Jack> Heh. Well,
[03:01] <dolson> well it also creates the base debian dir and files..
[03:01] <Psi-Jack> Since I already have the Lexmark-provided tarballs, I just did it from theirs. :p
[03:02] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[03:03] <Psi-Jack> lexmark-z600-dev_1.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb drivers optional
[03:03] <Psi-Jack> Why is it making arch-dependant -dev? :/
[03:03] <dolson> minghua: to be fair, I wasn't aware that you could just bunzip and gzip the tarball. so thanks
[03:07] <minghua> dolson: you are welcome.  dh-make actually just use bunzip2 and gzip as well :-)
[03:07] <minghua> Psi-Jack: because you write arch:any for -dev in debian/control?
[03:08] <dolson> minghua: I don't understand how it doesn't change the checksums or whatever by having two different files, but if it works, then that's all I need to know
[03:08] <Psi-Jack> minghua: Hmm, yes.. I did.. What should it be? :)
[03:10] <minghua> Psi-Jack: you sure you only have .h files in your -dev package?
[03:10] <Psi-Jack> minghua: Yes, I am sure.
[03:10] <minghua> dolson: you mean the .bz2 and .gz?  because the building process don't see the .bz2 file at all
[03:11] <minghua> Psi-Jack: arch:all then
[03:11] <Psi-Jack> minghua: Ahhhh. I see.
[03:12] <Psi-Jack> Now, how do I list the files in a .deb? :/
[03:13] <dolson> is it installed? dpkg -L pkgname
[03:13] <Psi-Jack> No an uninstalled one.
[03:13] <Psi-Jack> Or, not-installed one anyway. hehe
[03:13] <dolson> not sure.. I would use gdebi, but that's not in breezy afaik
[03:13] <minghua> dpkg --install
[03:14] <minghua> but be aware that it doesn't deal with dependencies
[03:14] <dolson> he wants to list the files, not install it
[03:14] <Psi-Jack> Well grr, you can't just list the contents? :p
[03:15] <dolson> I'm sure there is a way. I just never looked into it
[03:16] <StevenK> dpkg -C
[03:16] <Psi-Jack> Jeje
[03:17] <Psi-Jack> kay.. Why is copyright and changelog.Debian.gz being put into my -dev? :/
[03:18] <Psi-Jack> StevenK: -C does audit, not list. :)
[03:20] <dolson> thanks StevenK. you saved me from looking at man dpkg someday when I decide that I really don't wanna use gdebi or install
[03:20] <dolson> Psi-Jack: I think it's a lowercase C
[03:20] <Psi-Jack> Yeah -c
[03:21] <Psi-Jack> Or --contents, apparently. heh
[03:24] <minghua> Psi-Jack: oh, sorry, didn't read carefully
[03:26] <Psi-Jack> Okay. I have but one more issue to work out with this package, and then I can successfully build this one, and all the other Lexmark drivers in my batch.
[03:31] <Psi-Jack> The each of the drivers has it's own COPYING and README files which is included in the base directory. What's the proper way to have those included in the docs dir?
[03:33] <Psi-Jack> I've got the files listed in lexmark-z600-doc.docs, but, it's not doing anything with them.
[03:43] <minghua> Psi-Jack: do you have dh_installdocs in debian/rules?
[04:08] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ping?
[04:20] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: coming or going? ;-)
[04:20] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: hehe - well i'd like to know that myself!
[04:22] <Psi-Jack> minghua: Yes
[04:22] <Psi-Jack> minghua: Sorry. I do have dh_installdocs in debian/rules.
[04:23] <minghua> Psi-Jack: oh, then I don't know
[04:23] <LaserJock> minghua: I emailed the plotdrop upstream a hopefully coherent email about your problem ;-)
[04:23] <minghua> LaserJock: cool, thanks
[04:26] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, dh_install docs, should install docs in the base package directory, not in debian/* itself, as listed in lexmark-z600-doc.docs   Correct?
[05:04] <monzie> hi all
[05:06] <LaserJock> hi monzie
[05:06] <monzie> hi LaserJock
[05:06] <monzie> a question which may be slightly off topic, but i dont konw in which other channel to ask
[05:08] <monzie> i want upload the ebuntu iso (650 MB)
[05:08] <monzie> it's currenlty a live cd, and contains E17  + ubuntu
[05:09] <LaserJock> right
[05:10] <LaserJock> monzie: have you been in contact with Andrew Mitchell, he said that he was talking with someone about ebuntu?
[05:11] <minghua> LaserJock: monzie is the ebuntu guy
[05:11] <LaserJock> ok, so I take that as a yes then ;-)
[05:11] <minghua> LaserJock: or you mean ajmitch is talking with some admin?
[05:12] <LaserJock> minghua: he just said that he had talked to an ebuntu guy, I didn't know if there was more than one or what
[05:12] <minghua> I think ajmitch meant monzie then :-)
[05:13] <minghua> LaserJock: we really need an education/science category in gnome menu
[05:13] <minghua> looking for plotdrop in graphics is never intuitive to me :-(
[05:14] <LaserJock> minghua: actually, I've  been working on that
[05:14] <LaserJock> minghua: I opened a gnome bug for it
[05:14] <minghua> LaserJock: I know, I think I saw that bug.  any news?
[05:15] <LaserJock> minghua: but the problem I had was I couldn't find very many science apps with .desktops so I couldn't prove it was necessary. That is why I'm kinda on a .desktop kick.
[05:16] <minghua> LaserJock: Ah, I see.
[05:16] <LaserJock> we first have to prove a need, and I really don't want to put everythin in Education. I believe there really should be a Science menu available
[05:16] <minghua> I don't really mind merging science and education personally
[05:18] <LaserJock> Well, I kinda do and it is somewhat more difficult for stuff that is truely educational. It's not a big deal but I can't imagine a 6th grader using a molecular modeling and computational chemistry package, know what I mean?
[05:19] <LaserJock> and the researcher has to dig around the teaching stuff to get to his "serious" professional apps. But in either case, both Educational and Science menus are not where the should be
[05:19] <LaserJock> Educational at least has a menu, just no icon
[05:21] <minghua> LaserJock: I can see your point
[05:22] <LaserJock> also Gnome is a bit difficult because they are trying to trim down the menu.
[05:25] <minghua> yeah, it would be nice if the menu thing can be more flexible
[05:25] <LaserJock> well, I think they should only show if there is something in them so I don't think it would be in the way for most users
[05:25] <minghua> for example, a distro can say "we don't ship science menu, put all science apps in education menu", while another distro can ship both, with the same sets of .desktop files
[05:26] <minghua> LaserJock: that still won't help if a user only use one edu app and one sci app, he/she probably want them both in the same menu
[05:27] <LaserJock> I've been telling people making .desktop files for science apps to not include Educational in the Categories if the app is not really for educational use, although "educational" is something that isn't very well defined
[05:28] <LaserJock> minghua: I don't know, I would like to seperate them. If I'm looking for an educational app I would want to look in Educational but if I wanted a scientific app I would want to go to Science
[05:30] <LaserJock> but the real problem I suppose is that it is sometimes hard to distinguish educational from scientific to some degree
[05:30] <minghua> LaserJock: different people have different preference then, I suppose.  I personally hate dozens of menus each with one or two items in it
[05:30] <minghua> a.k.a. windows style :-)
[05:30] <LaserJock> minghua: I agree, but you should have a well populated Science menu ;-)
[05:33] <LaserJock> hmm, monzie left, I wanted to talk to him :(
[05:34] <LaserJock> monzie: oh, your back
[05:34] <monzie> yup. some conn problems here
[05:35] <LaserJock> monzie: did you want to discuss something about ebuntu?
[05:35] <monzie> yup
[05:35] <LaserJock> cool, I used E16 and E17 a little bit in my Gentoo days. I really liked it.
[05:36] <monzie> LaserJock, i have made an Ebuntu 17 live cd
[05:36] <monzie> i have to upload the iso somewhere so that people can try it out
[05:37] <monzie> and then can we start work on the full thing for dapper drake
[05:37] <monzie> so can you tell me if Ubuntu will allow uploading of the iso?
[05:37] <LaserJock> monzie: well, I'm not sure that it would make it for Dapper, more likely the next release
[05:38] <monzie> why so LaserJock ?
[05:38] <LaserJock> We are almost to Feature Freeze (23rd) which mean new packages shouldn't be added after then.
[05:39] <monzie> The packages exist, LaserJock
[05:39] <LaserJock> in the Ubuntu repositories?
[05:40] <monzie> no, but the Ubuntu Wiki lists how to add E17 to your sys
[05:40] <monzie> yup, E16 exists...
[05:41] <LaserJock> monzie: but the E17 packages should be in the Ubuntu repos by Feature Freeze. Exceptions can be made but they are rare.
[05:42] <monzie> E17 is an exceptional package.. :-)
[05:42] <freeflying> monzie: this exception is too big :)
[05:43] <LaserJock> monzie: I'm not trying to discourage you from getting E17 into Ubuntu proper but I should be done in the proper way
[05:43] <monzie> hehe, well i understand you guys are busy , just kidding about the dapper thing
[05:44] <monzie> yeah i will , LaserJock . But a "a preview cd" would be good
[05:44] <monzie> and i have the iso ready, freeflying is allowing me to upload the ebuntu 5.10 iso to the Ubuntu cn ftp site
[05:44] <monzie> from where people can download and preview the stuff
[05:45] <LaserJock> monzie: cool, if you need help getting the source packages made we can help.
[05:45] <monzie> i have the source packages, what i dont have is time.
[05:46] <minghua> monzie: by the way, is your iso breezy-based?
[05:46] <monzie> minghua, Ebuntu = Ubuntu 5.10 - GNOME packages + E17 packages
[05:46] <LaserJock> monzie: you can upload the source packages for to REVU which is a review server for getting packages in Universe. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU has more info
[05:47] <monzie> + E17 packages
[05:47] <minghua> monzie: got it, thanks
[05:47] <monzie> no LaserJock , i just have the pristine source, "Debianization" has not been done
[05:47] <monzie> i read the guide abt that, LaserJock
[05:47] <monzie> you are welcome minghua
[05:48] <LaserJock> monzie: then that's what we need to get then ;-)
[05:48] <monzie> but the problem is , i am a poor student with only one comp .. can't risk unstable dapper on my machine to get all the build scripts running...
[05:48] <monzie> shall i upload the vanilla tarballs LaserJock ?
[05:49] <LaserJock> monzie: no, the debian source packages need to be uploaded
[05:49] <LaserJock> monzie: you can build the packages using pbuilder or a chroot while still running Breezy
[05:49] <monzie> is that so?
[05:49] <monzie> how do i do that?
[05:50] <LaserJock> wiki.ubutu.com/PbuilderHowTo
[05:50] <LaserJock> adn https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[05:51] <TheMuso> IMO both chroot and pbuilder a both handy.
[05:51] <LaserJock> btw, I'm a poor student too, although I don't mind using Dapper. I've used it exclusively since about the 2-3rd week the repos opened.
[05:53] <minghua> LaserJock: Err... I suppose that's not the computer you use for your school work/research, is it?
[05:53] <LaserJock> yep
[05:53] <monzie> i have my final sem project work on my machine, LaserJock
[05:53] <LaserJock> I've got everything on mine, but I have backups on other computers
[05:55] <monzie> i dont have any computers to back up to.
[05:55] <monzie> i am in rural india here, doing a project on the simputer
[05:56] <LaserJock> I see, well that definately makes sense then. But a chroot or pbuilder should hurt, although they can take quite a bit of disk space.
[05:56] <LaserJock> s/should/shouldn't/ , doh
[05:57] <monzie> okay LaserJock , but will i be able to test my packages in the chroot env?
[05:57] <LaserJock> yes
[05:58] <LaserJock> hmm, you might have some problems testing the actual window manager
[05:59] <LaserJock> you might need to get somebody else to test the .debs out, but you can certainly build the .debs with a chroot/pbuilder
[06:00] <monzie> The livecd runs on my sys and and on qemu LaserJock .. it may sound strange but it is actually easier to build than the damn package
[06:01] <LaserJock> monzie: great
[06:04] <LaserJock> monzie: have you seen the Debian New Maintainer's Guide? it is a good resource for building source packages.
[06:08] <LaserJock> monzie: I've also collected some links on packaging for Debian/Ubuntu at wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide/Resources
[06:58] <zakame> hi MOTUs
[07:41] <Psi-Jack> Three lexmark printer drivers down, 1 to go! :D
[07:53] <dolson> cool
[08:27] <Psi-Jack> !revu
[08:27] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[08:33] <dolson> what
[08:37] <_vlad> Hello, I am a newbie in Ubuntu devel. I tried to contribute to Ubuntu by making a "pydev" package. I already uploaded the package to REVU and I am currious if there is anything else I can do to promote the package to get reviews.
[08:37] <Psi-Jack> Sweet. gpg sig submitted to REVU. :)
[08:39] <dolson> _vlad: it's a waiting game... I've got like 7 pkgs up there waiting reviews
[08:39] <dolson> _vlad: there aren't enough MOTUs with free time to go around :)
[08:40] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[08:40] <Psi-Jack> I guess I should have submitted my GPG key to REVU before I spent all this time making the packages themselves, huh? :)
[08:40] <_vlad> I see. Did you post anything to the ubuntu-devel list or is the usual way just stand waiting?
[08:41] <dolson> _vlad: I don't post about my packages to the list.. the packages are all listed in REVU, so it is just a matter of time before someone gets to them. If there is a way to force someone to REVU my packages without either money or violence, I don't know of it yet
[08:42] <dolson> Psi-Jack: it won't matter really.. I've had stuff waiting for a while. it takes about 10 seconds to upload once your key is added to the keyring
[08:42] <_vlad> ook, fair enaugh. I was just currious :)
[08:42] <dolson> I would apply for MOTU but I don't know the policy enough yet, and I'm not very advanced at packaging yet
[08:44] <Psi-Jack> dolson: Heh yeah.
[08:44] <Psi-Jack> And to think, next I gotta dapper-ize them. :p
[08:45] <Psi-Jack> That, though, should be easy.
[08:45] <dolson> well you have to do that before you upload to REVU
[08:45] <Psi-Jack> Really? :/
[08:45] <Psi-Jack> They won't put that in for breezy?
[08:45] <dolson> we don't develop for Breezy
[08:45] <dolson> feature freeze for Breezy was like... 6 months ago
[08:45] <Psi-Jack> I see..
[08:46] <dolson> once they are in Dapper, you could request a backport I suppose, but I don't know how lucky you'll be with that, considering Dapper is almost upon us
[08:46] <Psi-Jack> This is true..blah.. heh.
[08:47] <Psi-Jack> And Dapper feature freeze is almost up too.
[08:47] <dolson> yeah, 23rd
[08:48] <Psi-Jack> Well, all I /really/ need to do to dapperize them, is change the dist in all of them, and it'll be set, unless their is any major changes to the way cups is done. Maybe version differences.
[08:48] <dolson> do you have build deps at all?
[08:49] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. build deps is only rpm.
[08:49] <dolson> should be just changing the changelog I would think then
[08:49] <dolson> and why rpm, just curious?
[08:49] <Psi-Jack> Because Lexmark does a tarball, with a self-extracting tar.gz.sh, with rpm's in it.
[08:50] <dolson> ick lol
[08:50] <Psi-Jack> Yes, ick, but hey. :p
[08:50] <dolson> I don't know if I'll get a Lexmark :\
[08:50] <Psi-Jack> I made the best use of /just/ using rpm, and not anything else, like alien. I used rpm2cpio to actually extract the rpms.
[08:50] <dolson> I'm thinking about Epson again.. my current printer is the 777, and it needs new ink.. but it's cheaper to get a new printer than to buy new cartridges
[08:51] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[08:51] <Psi-Jack> I have like 5 Lexmark Z600's, because of the price of ink was double to get than a new printer. ;)
[08:51] <dolson> lol
[08:51] <dolson> I would buy a nice HP laserjet, but um.. I need a job first. but I can't get a job if I can't print resumes.. chicken, egg
[08:52] <Psi-Jack> lol
[08:52] <Psi-Jack> dolson: Are you running dapper?
[08:52] <dolson> on this hard drive, I am
[08:53] <dolson> I'm too lazy to reboot and swap drives
[08:53] <Psi-Jack> Can I get your quick assist on a couple version numbers? :)
[08:53] <dolson> ok
[08:53] <TheMuso> dolson: Do you use dapper chroots or pbuilder sessions?
[08:53] <dolson> Psi-Jack: http://packages.ubuntu.org.cn/dapper/allpackages.en.txt.gz
[08:54] <dolson> TheMuso: I test my packages with pbuilder build *.dsc
[08:54] <StevenK> dolson: I prefer to unpack the source and run pdebuild in the unpacked directory.
[08:55] <Psi-Jack> I need dapper's version of rpm, cupsys, gs-esp, libc6, libcupsimage2, libcupsys2-gnutls10, libgcc1, and libstdc++5 basically.
[08:55] <dolson> see link :)
[08:56] <TheMuso> StevenK: What is the difference in doing it that way as opposed to pbuilder build <file>.dsc?
[08:58] <dolson> hi zakame
[08:59] <zakame> heya dolson :D
[09:00] <dolson> argh, I screwed something up with this new package job of mx44
[09:01] <dolson> it isn't copying the binary, it's duplicating the wrapper script.. which causes an infinite loop, eating CPU until ultimately locking up the system. time to do some work
[09:03] <zakame> gaah
[09:05] <minghua> wine doesn't work with the 2.6.15 kernel dapper shipped?  crap.
[09:07] <dolson> minghua: everything I've tried to launch just says Killed on the console
[09:07] <minghua> dolson: me too
[09:07] <minghua> dolson: the forum says it's related to the newest kernel
[09:08] <minghua> I happen to have an old kernel around :-)  let's try that
[09:08] <dolson> minghua: I did run notepad.exe once though, and it worked.. but that was before one of the upgrades I did, which I think included the kernel
[09:10] <dolson> argh.. I don't get this.. zakame, would you have a minute to look over my rules file and see if you can tell what is happening?
[09:12] <zakame> ack
[09:13] <zakame> lemme dupe this putty session :P
[09:13] <zakame> I'm trying to determine where win* puts its PPP secrets :/
[09:14] <dolson> is that ack as in "ack! no!" or ack as in "acknowledge"?
[09:14] <Psi-Jack> There, now I got dapperized packages, too.
[09:14] <dolson> Psi-Jack: yay!
[09:14] <zakame> w00t Psi-Jack
[09:17] <zakame> dolson: heh, build-stamp gets old every time it gets called :/
[09:17] <dolson> zakame: what?
[09:18] <dolson> zakame: if you're talking about my mx44 package on REVU, that isn't the current version.. check here http://aslan.homelinux.com/dana/tmp/Mx44/debian/
[09:19] <zakame> dolson: ocular, still trying to build
[09:19] <dolson> ah
[09:19] <zakame> k will get that
[09:22] <zakame> dolson: have you tried moving the bin at install time instead of build-time?
[09:22] <zakame> wb minghua
[09:22] <minghua> this is rediculous...  you grub always breaks when you need to change the boot kernel
[09:22] <minghua> hi zakame
[09:22] <dolson> zakame: I just was looking at the output, and it goes through the install twice.. weird. I'll do what you say and that will fix it. Thanks :)
[09:22] <minghua> dolson: yes, switch back to 2.6.15-13 and my wine works now
[09:23] <dolson> minghua: wow.. how could that have happened? is there an option in the kernel that is needed or..?
[09:24] <zakame> dolson: well you could also put that just before dh_installchangelogs in binary-arch
[09:24] <dolson> zakame: I meant build, not install, sry
[09:26] <minghua> doko: no idea.  I am search for bugs in launchpad now
[09:26] <zakame> :)
[09:26] <zakame> bbl
[09:28] <minghua> doko: sorry, I meant to dolson
[09:31] <dolson> hmm.. something I dput still hasn't showed up on REVU yet..
[09:36] <minghua> no bug found, submitted as 31862
[09:43] <minghua> dolson: you probably want to look at bug 30962
[09:43] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30962 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Running wine applications instantly outputs "Killed." in the terminal" [Normal,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30962
[09:43] <minghua> that's the real bug
[09:44] <minghua> I've marked mine as dup
[10:05] <dolson> ah
[10:17] <minghua> okay, grub bug found and subscribed too...
[10:36] <dolson> is anyone here and available who could see why jdelay-1.0-0ubuntu1 did not upload to REVU yet? I dput it probably about an hour ago...
[10:39] <dolson> hi mitsuhiko
[10:39] <mitsuhiko> hoi :)
[10:40] <dolson> mitsuhiko: do you have the ability to see why a package isn't showing on REVU that I dput about an hour ago?
[10:40] <mitsuhiko> jup. because i'm no motu :)
[10:41] <mitsuhiko> dolson: ask ogra
[10:48] <dolson> I don't think ogra is here :(
[10:52] <zakame> dolson: it's not anywhere in tiber
[10:53] <dolson> zakame!
[10:53] <dolson> I just tried to dput it and it says Already uploaded to revu.tauware.de
[10:54] <Mithrandir> rm the .upload file
[10:55] <dolson> error 553 could not create file
[10:56] <zakame> you could `dput -f`
[10:56] <dolson> same thing
[10:58] <zakame> hmm
[11:03] <dolson> it mentions that dcut is used to remove stale files from the official debian queues
[11:03] <zakame> dolson: it got REJECTED :/
[11:03] <dolson> hmm. know why?
[11:04] <zakame> can'y see, it's .changes is set at 600, only siretart can read it
[11:04] <siretart> morning
[11:05] <zakame> morning siretart :D
[11:05] <siretart> btw, has anyone used libtool on windows? what does it to wrt -version-info?
[11:05] <dolson> morning siretart :)
[11:06] <siretart> dolson: jdelay accepted
[11:06] <dolson> siretart: cool.. what was with the delay?
[11:06] <siretart> I'm not sure.
[11:08] <zakame> yay siretart :-)
[11:08] <siretart> SloMoSnail: real powerpc support, eh ;)
[11:09] <dolson> weird... well, thanks siretart!
[11:09] <SloMoSnail> siretart: lol... not my fault :P i'm awake since 10 minutes
[11:10] <siretart> morning slomo :)
[11:11] <slomo> hmm... we had a thierry in here, yes?
[11:12] <Toadstool> morning everybody
[11:12] <siretart> 
[11:13] <slomo> hi Toadstool :)
[11:13] <slomo> siretart: ?
[11:13] <siretart> connection interrupted
[11:14] <siretart> oh, cdparanoia got orphaned
[11:15] <zakame> heya Toadstool
[11:15] <Toadstool> hi zakame
[11:15] <slomo> siretart: no surprise... upstream didn't do anything for ages and libcdio has less bugs and works better in general
[11:17] <dolson> siretart: could it have been because I extracted the orig, and renamed the directory before I continued on, and forgot to rename it back to the original name before I built the source?
[11:18] <siretart> slomo: err, is there any commandline ripper which uses libcdio, similar to cdparanoia?
[11:19] <slomo> at least not in debian or ubuntu :/
[11:27] <siretart> dolson: I don't think so, but please make sure that you always upload an unmodified pristine orig.tar.gz (unless you have been told to not do so)
[11:27] <dolson> I did
[11:27] <siretart> ok
[11:28] <dolson> after I extracted it, I renamed the directory, and I can't remember why.. but I meant to rename it back before I did debuild -S
[11:28] <Psi-Jack> Cool.
[11:28] <Psi-Jack> My key is added. :D
[11:29] <dolson> Psi-Jack: yay. you're one of ... whatever I am, someone who isn't a MOTU but uploads packages
[11:29] <Psi-Jack> Now I just need to figure out how to upload. :p
[11:30] <dolson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU ?
[11:31] <minghua> I think the term is MOTU-hopeful? :-)
[11:32] <Lathiat> minghua: WRONG!
[11:32] <Lathiat> its "sucker"
[11:32] <dolson> I don't suck!
[11:32] <dolson> I lick
[11:33] <dolson> er
[11:34] <dolson> hmm, there isn't any intermediate step between MOTU-hopeful and MOTU
[11:34] <Psi-Jack> Uploading now. :D
[11:46] <Psi-Jack> Coolbeans. All my lexmark submissions for Dapper are uploaded and ready for REVU.
[12:04] <dolson> Psi-Jack: I don't see any yet
[12:04] <Psi-Jack> dolson: They're all in..
[12:04] <Psi-Jack> In the incoming dir.
[12:04] <dolson> Psi-Jack: what's the name of one?
[12:05] <Psi-Jack> lexmark-z600
[12:05] <Psi-Jack> ftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming
[12:08] <dolson> yeah. I woulda thought they should be moved by now
[12:11] <Psi-Jack> You would think. Since they say it does every 5 min
[12:12] <dolson> well, all my uploads before today were up within 60 seconds
[12:12] <dolson> but anyhow, it is now 6am, time for bed
[12:13] <Psi-Jack> heh, yeah, After I finish setting up my kmail, finally, I'm headed there myselkf.
[12:13] <dolson> nighty night :)
[12:25] <siretart> Psi-Jack: you uploaded binaries, which will be ignored
[12:26] <Psi-Jack> siretart: That is the only way they come.
[12:26] <siretart> Psi-Jack: I moved them out of the way to rejected
[12:26] <Psi-Jack> siretart: *siighs*
[12:26] <siretart> Psi-Jack: please reread the wiki, espec. the part about using parameters '-S -sa' with dpkg-buildpackage
[12:27] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[12:27] <Psi-Jack> I did use -sa, but -S?
[12:27] <siretart> Psi-Jack: the processing script only reacts to '*_source.changes'. there is no point in uploading '*_i386.changes' because they will be ignored
[12:28] <Psi-Jack> Oh.. Hmm'kay... Even if the original source for them is binary-only as well? heh
[12:30] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, I see.
[12:30] <Psi-Jack> Just makes the diff, dsc, and source.changes file.
[12:32] <siretart> Psi-Jack: err, you mean there is no source available at all?
[12:33] <Psi-Jack> siretart: Lexmark doesn't release sourcecode, no.
[12:34] <slomo_> wonderfull... so maybe suitable for multiverse depending on the license...
[12:35] <siretart> slomo_: perhaps restricted.
[12:35] <siretart> Psi-Jack: I'm curious to see your debian/copyright
[12:35] <slomo_> or restricted... yes
[12:35] <slomo_> or nothing
[12:36] <siretart> Psi-Jack: anyway, we cannot upload anything else to ubuntu archive anyway. thus the restriction on
[12:36] <siretart> *_source.changes
[12:37] <Psi-Jack> Heh yeah, I'm not too sure of the license, itself. If it fails because of that, I have an alternative idea to get around it, by using links to grab the original tarball from Lexmark's own site directly within the build process. heh
[12:37] <Psi-Jack> siretart: These are for Dapper, BTW.
[12:38] <siretart> Psi-Jack: you need to document the correct licencecing and redistribution terms. it IS read by ubuntu ftpmaster to put it in the right section of the archive
[12:39] <siretart> Psi-Jack: it must be absolutly clear that these binaries are freely redistributable, and document possible restriction. only that way we can review your package
[12:39] <Psi-Jack> The license is in there.
[12:40] <Psi-Jack> Or are you saying it has to be embedded into the debian/copyright?
[12:40] <siretart> right
[12:41] <Psi-Jack> Hmm. They each have two of them. heh. license and COPYING
[12:41] <siretart> if debian/copyright is not complete, or just has remarks like 'I'm not sure either, please look yourself', there are good changes that it will get rejected
[12:46] <Psi-Jack> Okay. the z35 one actually has a copyright file with Lexmark's COPYING license agreement file.
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> Argh.. the z65 stuff won't go away. :/
[01:13] <monzie> hi all
[01:14] <jpatrick> hello monzie
[01:15] <monzie> hi jpatrick
[01:18] <Psi-Jack> siretart: Heh, just in case of any copyright discrepancies, I've inititiated contact with Lexmark about getting permission from them for repackaging and distribution their drivers. ;)
[01:21] <slomo_> Psi-Jack: btw, an exception for ubuntu only wouldn't help... it must be either redistributable for everybody or we can't accept it
[01:21] <Psi-Jack> slomo_: Hmm, why is that?
[01:24] <slomo_> Psi-Jack: don't know exactly... afaik because of derivate distributions
[01:25] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, well, if that is so, and it does get rejected on the grounds of it's copyright/license, even when it's granted by Lexmark themselves to do so, that brings us right back down to the debianist elitism that's one of many reasons I, personally, stopped using Debian for.
[01:26] <jpatrick> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000456.html <- what happened?
[01:30] <Psi-Jack> But anyway, for now.. I must sleep/.
[02:17] <Yagisan> G'day all - what is the cutoff date for packages from revu to make it into dapper ?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> 22nd/23rd of feb, i think
[02:18] <Hobbsee> feature freeze
[02:20] <Yagisan> thanks Hobbsee
[02:21] <Yagisan> Fuddl: will you be updating nexiuz to 1.5 ?
[02:24] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: do you have a KDE package that needs looking at?
[02:25] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: *thinks* - not that i remember at the moment.  i couldnt make asciiquarium work the way it should, and have more or less given up for a while
[02:26] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: asciiquarium requires libterm-animation-perl which isn't in Ubuntu
[02:27] <Hobbsee> supposedly, yeah.  it did build, but didnt show up in the screensaver listing when i tried installing the deb that got created...but i'm way too tired to think on it tonight sorry
[02:27] <Hobbsee> i think Riddell merged all the various debdiffs
[02:28] <jpatrick> no problem
[02:28] <jpatrick> I have to get back to kmplayer
[02:29] <Hobbsee> have fun :)
[02:42] <Seveas> ogra, poke
[02:48] <siretart> Psi-Jack: whats about this lexmark stuff in incoming? are you still uploading or did you abort the upload?
[03:24] <zakame> hi MOTUs
[03:24] <Yagisan> G'day zakame
[03:25] <zakame> hi Yagisan :D
[03:25] <zakame> finally got to install flight 3 now
[03:26] <jpatrick> zakame: isn't flight4 coming out?
[03:27] <zakame> jpatrick: yeah, consider me a late tester :P
[03:27] <jpatrick> hi anyway :)
[03:27] <zakame> lol
[03:30] <zakame> freeflying-ibook: you've lots of macs?
[03:31] <freeflying-ibook> zakame: sorry for my poor network .
[03:31] <freeflying-ibook> zakame: I'm tired ot it today ,and sorry for bother you all
[03:35] <zakame> gaah, I was just about to ask him if he has a spare mac or two :P
[03:40] <Yagisan> zakame: I could use a spare mac too, but considering the recent switch to mactel, there doesn't seem to be a point in getting one now
[03:41] <freeflying-ibook> Yagisan: this has been discussed on ubuntu-devel's ml
[03:41] <zakame> yeah
[03:42] <Yagisan> freeflying-ibook: my email is lagged - I don't have that discussion yet
[03:42] <freeflying-ibook> Yagisan: you can search the archive
[03:49] <Yagisan> freeflying-ibook: K - found it. pity, ppc is a nicer chip.
[03:49] <freeflying-ibook> Yagisan: yeah
[03:51] <Yagisan> freeflying-ibook: amd64 seems to be the only only other cheapo chip that seems to compare well to a ppc.
[03:52] <freeflying-ibook> Yagisan: :I've never used machine based on amd64
[03:54] <Yagisan> freeflying-ibook: they are very nice in 64bit mode. you want one from amd, rather then intel. intel lack an iommu so you can have hardware trouble on systems that can support 4GB of ram or more
[03:55] <zakame> gaah
[03:56] <freeflying-ibook> can I put some patches into one dptach file ?
[03:57] <Yagisan> zakame: yep. lack of an iommu breaks the nvidia binary driver on random intel style amd64 chips.
[03:57] <freeflying-ibook> s/dptach/dpatch
[03:57] <Yagisan> zakame: probably breaks other things too, but the first tears will be from the nvidia users
[03:57] <zakame> freeflying-ibook: yeah, why not
[03:58] <freeflying-ibook> Yagisan: thx
[03:58] <zakame> Yagisan: you said it, even here on i386 I was crying a bit upon dist-upgrading this afternoon, nvidia-glx broke the kernel :/
[03:58] <jsgotangco> broke the kernel?
[04:02] <Yagisan> zakame: and that is why I don't dist upgrade my production boxes
[04:02] <jsgotangco> well why do you have nvidia-glx in a production in the first place
[04:02] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:02] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I *need* a working opengl
[04:02] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:03] <zakame> jsgotangco: well not nvidia exactly, but linuxant too
[04:03] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I don't have enough radeon 7200 cards, and ebay wasn't helpful recently
[04:04] <jsgotangco> linuxant is said to be tainted...
[04:04] <bmonty> hi everyone
[04:04] <zakame> I thought it always has been?
[04:04] <zakame> heya bmonty long time no see :)
[04:04] <Yagisan> I've never used linuxant
[04:05] <jsgotangco> zakame, i'm not good at legalese, best ask mjg59 about linuxant :)
[04:05] <Yagisan> ah - it's for winmodem crap
[04:05] <zakame> jsgotangco: I've seen his post on his blog which pretty much sums it up
[04:05] <jsgotangco> cool
[04:05] <bmonty> hi zakame, yeah I haven't been on IRC much lately
[04:06] <jsgotangco> its been a while since i used a modem too
[04:06] <Yagisan> bmonty: how dare you have a real life ;)
[04:06] <bmonty> can anyone make me part of the "MOTU" team on lauchpad so I can take the poll?
[04:06] <bmonty> Yagisan: yeah, I wish real life would slow down a bit
[04:07] <jpatrick> I think you actually have to be an MOTU
[04:07] <bmonty> jpatrick: got that covered :)
[04:07] <Yagisan> you do
[04:07] <Yagisan> ah - nvermind
[04:08] <jpatrick> bmonty: ;)
[04:08] <bmonty> I'm part of the "ubuntu-dev" team but not the "MOTU" team in launchpad for some reason
[04:08] <Yagisan> oh - we have a LoTR game in universe. tome - is it any good ?
[04:09] <Yagisan> hmm - it opens 8 terminals.
[04:12] <jpatrick> bmonty: aren't you an Ubuntu member?
[04:13] <bmonty> jpatrick: yes
[04:13] <bmonty> ahh, I am so happy they fixed bluetooth in dapper :)
[04:14] <jpatrick> not at launchpad....
[04:14] <bmonty> jpatrick: yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to get that fixed
[04:15] <jpatrick> bmonty: ogra can put you into the team
[04:21] <Seveas> ogra, ping
[04:41] <comune> hello
[04:41] <comune> I've problems using usb mouse with dapper..any hint?
[04:42] <comune> it doesn't works
[04:42] <comune> in X.org
[04:42] <gus_> try using xorg.conf from breezy
[04:43] <bmonty> comune: you should ask that question in #ubuntu
[04:43] <comune> and if i do a hexdump /dev/input/mice it doesn't shows anything, lsmod says that evdev and usbmouse are loaded but not in use
[04:43] <comune> sorry
[05:15] <hub> what is the policy for binary only packages?
[05:16] <siretart> hub: mostly, we don't want them :)
[05:16] <siretart> hub: we have some exceptions in multiverse though. namely java and acroread
[05:16] <hub> siretart: because or revu there are the binary drivers from lexmark
[05:17] <jpatrick> hub: yep, Psi-Jack put them there
[05:18] <siretart> ah, he actually managed to upload them?
[05:18] <hub> they are package that use the shar archive provided by Lexmark
[05:20] <siretart> hub: I just glanced at the debian/copyright, and it does not state that we may redistribute it at all
[05:20] <hub> siretart: I didn't really review them
[05:20] <hub> I was about to, but I have compiz to fix
[05:23] <hub> siretart: I have had a blog about lexmark proprietary drivers back in 2004
[05:26] <siretart> hub: if they were free redistributable, we could include them in multiverse
[05:26] <hub> siretart: I'll look deeply into it
[05:26] <siretart> that way it would be probably best to host them on some webspace and hope that lexmark doesn't care
[05:26] <hub> siretart: it could still be helpful
[05:26] <siretart> jo
[05:27] <hub> gah, CVS dir in the orig tarball
[05:32] <jpatrick> siretart: can you add the key '9500B1A2' to the keyring? thanks
[05:35] <siretart> jpatrick: done
[05:35] <jpatrick> thanks
[05:37] <siretart> jpatrick: kmplayer reprocessed
[05:38] <jpatrick> thanks again :)
[05:41] <hub> shall I create a -dev for ONE .h and ONE .pc ?
[05:53] <Mithrandir> hub: yes.
[05:53] <Mithrandir> hub: I assume you need a .so symlink too?
[05:53] <hub> Mithrandir: not in that case apparently
[05:53] <hub> Mithrandir: it is for compiz
[05:54] <hub> Mithrandir: I'm fixing mjg59 package
[05:54] <hub> Mithrandir: see bug 31550
[05:54] <Ubugtu> malone bug 31550 in compiz "compiz package violate package policy" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31550
[05:55] <Mithrandir> hub: the point is that you should be able to install libfoo1 and libfoo2 at the same time.  If there are files which overlap, you can't
[05:55] <hub> Mithrandir: yeah I know
[05:55] <hub> Mithrandir: but there is not versioned .so and these are dlopened
[05:56] <Mithrandir> hmm.
[05:57] <Mithrandir> if you're an application with plugins, you can ship them in the main package, agreed.
[05:57] <hub> Mithrandir: mjg59 is opposed to a -dev package for just a .h and .pc.
[05:58] <hub> Mithrandir: btw, there is a versioning issue as he create a -4 while it is not in Debian
[06:43] <sealne> is it possible to see what is in the new queue?
[06:46] <siretart> sealne: not that I knew. but feel free to ask in #launchpadpad
[06:47] <siretart> in #launchpad that is
[06:48] <sealne> ah, thanks
[07:13] <Seveas> hub, what are you doing with /usr/lib/compiz/libgconf.so? in the main or in the gnome package?
[07:19] <hub> Seveas: that is a good question
[07:19] <hub> Seveas: I have to check, but likely in the -gnome pacakge
[07:19] <Seveas> good, then compiz will have neither ked nor gnome dependencies
[07:20] <Seveas> I don't mind about the gnome dependencies, but let's be fair ;)
[07:20] <hub> Seveas: the idea is to not install qt4 for Gnome
[07:20] <hub> Seveas: and vice versa
[07:21] <Psi-Jack> hub: Ahh.. I heard you glanced over the lexmark stuff. :)
[07:21] <hub> even if gtk is likely to already be installed
[07:21] <hub> Psi-Jack: I haven't really had a look, but I will
[07:21] <hub> I was fixing compiz first and then got caught in real life things
[07:21] <hub> like house-hunt-2006
[07:22] <Psi-Jack> Yes. I know. I read that. I just hope they can be used. Drivers are things people need, IMHO.
[07:22] <hub> Psi-Jack: but free driver are what we want :-/
[07:22] <hub> Psi-Jack: is lexmark does not want us to distribute, then it is out of luck
[07:22] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. But it's not always what we can get. :/
[07:22] <hub> Psi-Jack: better recommend people to buy HP or Epson
[07:22] <hub> or any other that the manufacturer supports
[07:23] <Psi-Jack> hub: Just in case, I sent Lexmark an email, asking specifically about getting permission to redistribute under a deb package.
[07:23] <Psi-Jack> I will never recommend anyone to an Epson.
[07:24] <Psi-Jack> HP is alright, but Epson, never. Every Epson printer I have owned had some of the worst designs flaws that caused the device to wear down much quicker than they should have.
[07:25] <hub> Psi-Jack: I have never had issues, but that is not the purpose of the debate
[07:25] <Psi-Jack> True. :)
[07:26] <Psi-Jack> Just woke up, anyway. Brain only 1/3 active.
[07:27] <siretart> Psi-Jack: I checked the debian/copyright. I cannot find the part which would allow us (or anyone) to redistribute the package
[07:34] <Psi-Jack> hmm :(
[07:35] <Psi-Jack> How does the flashplugin-nonfree do it? I noticed in their deb-builder they actually use a ruby-based downloader to get the flash stuff down. But, is that also put into a installable package, or deb-src only? heh
[07:37] <Psi-Jack> My only other option I can think of, to not actually physically redistribute the "lexmark software", is to make a script-based installer, like a package called lexmark-printers, which it itself downloads the chosen driver direct from lexmark, and debianizes it into a package.
[07:39] <siretart> Psi-Jack: I'd suggest package it properly, and put those package those packages to some webspace, and point people there
[07:39] <Psi-Jack> siretart: Package it properly?
[07:39] <siretart> Psi-Jack: and hope to get an answer from lexmark soon. please write them that their license does not grant redistribution, but you like that distribution are able to do that
[07:40] <Ng> siretart: isn't it bad that people ignore redistrubution licenses and just dump random, unmaintained packages on random websites?
[07:40] <Psi-Jack> siretart: Hehe. Yeah. I've contacted Lexmark. I did that last night.
[07:40] <siretart> Ng: it is very bad
[07:40] <Psi-Jack> I don't expect to hear from them till Monday or Tuesday though.
[07:40] <siretart> Ng: but you can't stop them anyway.
[07:40] <Ng> I can suggest it's a bad idea each time they mention it ;)
[07:41] <siretart> Ng: the problem gets worse if people start redistributing broken packages
[07:41] <Ng> true
[07:41] <Ng> anyway, I actually dropped in because I'm at a bit of a loose end and wondered if anyone was doing anything I could help out with ;)
[07:41] <Psi-Jack> siretart: Heh. Just in case, I need to learn how to make a repository. :)
[07:42] <siretart> Psi-Jack: oh, thats easy
[07:42] <Psi-Jack> Really now? Cause I have a server I could toss it on. ;}
[07:42] <siretart> look at the packages 'debarchiver', 'mini-dinstall' or 'reprepro'. all have advantages or disadvantages
[07:43] <Ng> I use reprepro to run a repository at work
[07:43] <Psi-Jack> Then I could provide both my breezy and dapper packages. :)
[07:43] <siretart> nowadays you definitly want to sign your Release files
[07:43] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, Mine's signed and the package itself, I have thoroughly tested. :L)
[07:44] <siretart> Psi-Jack: you would need permission from lexmark to redistribute it anyway
[07:45] <Psi-Jack> siretart: Oh, I'll get their permission. Unless they're just totally stuck up about it, and if that is the case, I'll do my whole script-based method to spite them.
[07:46] <hub> the download option is usually acceptable
[07:46] <hub> but we need someone to advocate that they release the driver as free software
[07:47] <hub> I don't know if any distribution maker has ever attempted
[07:47] <hub> but they would have more chance s than us individuals
[07:50] <Psi-Jack> hub: I dunno. I see one lexmark driver in a repo.
[07:50] <hub> Psi-Jack: which one?
[07:51] <Psi-Jack> The lexmark 7000, and actually also the C2050
[07:51] <hub> what is the package
[07:51] <Psi-Jack> lexmark7000linux and c2050
[07:52] <Psi-Jack> Which is in universe.
[07:53] <hub> not found
[07:53] <Psi-Jack> Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe lexmark7000linux 0.1999-03-28-2 (tar) [19.5kB] 
[07:53] <hub> Psi-Jack: it is not in dapper
[07:53] <Psi-Jack> Just got it from a deb-src
[07:54] <Psi-Jack> But it's license says it's free software, and GNU GPL.
[07:54] <hub> Psi-Jack: c2050  is free software
[07:54] <hub> Psi-Jack: read the README
[07:54] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I was looking at the 7000.
[07:55] <hub> I'm check breezy
[07:55] <hub> I just added the source
[07:55] <hub> but clearly that c2050 driver is NOT lexmark
[07:55] <hub> it is reverse engineered
[07:55] <Psi-Jack> But, I will gladly work with lexmark, anyway. And see if I can advocate it to redistributable status. :)
[07:55] <Psi-Jack> Yikes. heh
[07:56] <hub> Psi-Jack: last time I asked, they didn't even reply
[07:56] <Psi-Jack> Then I will call them.
[07:56] <Psi-Jack> I will push their buttons. :)
[07:56] <hub> weird
[07:57] <hub> the lexmark7000 driver has been removed from dapper
[07:57] <hub> I wonder why
[07:57] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.. Odd..
[07:57] <hub> it is not the same
[07:58] <hub> Psi-Jack: yeah it has been removed as it is now part of ghostscript
[07:58] <Psi-Jack> Oh cool!
[07:58] <hub> Psi-Jack: according to the README.Debian
[07:58] <hub> "Note: This package is probably obsolete, or will soon be, as the
[07:58] <hub> Lexmark Linux driver pioneers like Henryk Paluch have created patches
[07:58] <hub> that enable Ghostscript to support Lexmark printers directly.
[07:58] <hub> Anyhow, during this transition period, this package is here for
[07:58] <hub> those who still needs it.
[07:58] <hub> "
[08:02] <hub> how do I tell dh_install to exclude one .so
[08:06] <at1as> Anyone familiar with the Ubuntu Webmin packages?
[08:15] <LaserJock> anybody know who I would need to talk to to move a package from multiverse to universe? elmo I'm guessing
[08:35] <hub> I have a bug fix for 31550
[08:36] <hub> shall I upload to REVU or directly universe?
[08:48] <jpatrick> hub: not sure :/
[08:50] <jpatrick> bug #31550
[08:50] <Ubugtu> malone bug 31550 in compiz "compiz package violate package policy" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31550
[08:53] <tseng> hub: i would just run a debdiff by mjg59 and upload
[08:58] <TomaszD> I don't think this is the right channel, but why isn't gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad in the repositories?
[08:59] <TomaszD> I mean, I'd really like to listen to my mpc files
[08:59] <tseng> the -bad means they are buggy
[08:59] <TomaszD> I'm perfectly aware of this
[09:00] <tseng> well the answer to your question is that we dont intentionally ship buggy software
[09:00] <TomaszD> nevertheless, I would like to make the choice of using one of the buggy ones
[09:00] <tseng> great, grab the tarball
[09:00] <TomaszD> you know what, I've already did.
[09:01] <tseng> and put up with upstream not fixing the bugs
[09:02] <TomaszD> hey, it doesn't matter, the package should be made available
[09:02] <TomaszD> it clearly says "bad" on it.
[09:03] <TomaszD> I've compiled it, but now somehow rhythmbox won't start and gdb doesn't give anything useful as to what causes the crash.
[09:03] <LaserJock> hmm, seems like that would be under the "bad" category
[09:03] <TomaszD> uninstalled the bad package, still won't start. uninstalled rhythmbox completely and installed again, still won't work.
[09:03] <TomaszD> removed the rhythmbox profile, still won't work.
[09:04] <TomaszD> this is a testing release, anything could happen.
[09:05] <TomaszD> hmm, but totem uses gstreamer0.10 as well, and that works, it's able to play music... hmm.. let me reboot to dapper and check if mpc support works at all.
[09:11] <TomaszD> well, I'm currently playing an mpc file with totem
[09:12] <TomaszD> works perfectly
[09:13] <TomaszD> couldn't care less and I'm not going to get into a "fight" over which is better. I don't use totem at all normally,
[09:13] <TomaszD> just trying to prove a point
[09:14] <TomaszD> hah, rhythmbox works again
[09:14] <TomaszD> something in memory must have been blocking it
[09:14] <TomaszD> indexes mpc files. Sweet.
[09:14] <LaserJock> so it's all good?
[09:14] <TomaszD> yes.
[09:15] <TomaszD> so "screw" the people who decided against including "bad" plugins. When dapper becomes new stable I'll just compile what I need myself. Too bad for "noobs".
[09:18] <TomaszD> hmm, scanning the songs (moving the slider) is a lot smoother than it is in breezy.
[09:18] <TomaszD> I don't understand including mpc in bad category. But hey what do I know.
[09:18] <TomaszD> :)
[09:18] <LaserJock> TomaszD: honestly, that kind of statement probably won't get them included any faster. An intelligent discussion of pros and cons in a polite manner would probably be better. Just a suggestion ;-)
[09:19] <TomaszD> LaserJock, I'm aware of this 100%. You have to excuse me, I'm a bit drunk.
[09:20] <TomaszD> ok now I know why it included in bad.
[09:20] <TomaszD> damn.
[09:22] <TomaszD> that's a Rhythmbox issue, Totem plays flawlessly all files I throw at it.
[09:24] <TomaszD> fyi, I'm using http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/gst-plugins-bad/pre/gst-plugins-bad-0.10.0.2.tar.bz2
[09:24] <at1as> Hi all,  is anyone familiar with the Ubuntu Webmin packages?
[09:24] <TomaszD> it would be better if this got packaged for dapper and simply got some testing by users. Without that, how many people will actually test it? Apart from the few geeks.
[09:27] <LaserJock> hi ogra
[09:57] <bmonty> hi everyone
[10:03] <LaserJock> hi bmonty
[10:15] <at1as> Why does Ubuntu not include Webmin's "net" module?  It is supposed to already handle Debian network configuration.
[10:18] <dolson> crimsun: have you heard anything back from ptitti (I think that's the name you said) about PAM/rlimits?
[10:26] <bmonty> hey LaserJock
[10:30] <dolson> holy crap that is annoying... is there ANY way to disable slow keys in Gnome?
[10:31] <fbond> can't figure it out
[10:31] <tomaw> oh, it reops you too
[10:31] <fbond> yup
[10:31] <tomaw> I didn't even know theia could do that :/
[10:31] <fbond> apparently, it can
[10:31] <tomaw> have you ever been on the access list?
[10:32] <fbond> i just started on IRC less than a month ago
[10:32] <fbond> continue back on ##anything?
[10:32] <tomaw> ok
[10:52] <bmonty> ogra: ping
[10:56] <bmonty> brb
[11:10] <tomaw> yay.
[11:10] <fbond> indeed
[11:10] <fbond> thanks very much, tomaw
[11:10] <fbond> what the ... ?
[11:10] <dolson> lol
[11:10] <tomaw> ah
[11:11] <dolson> BearPerson++
[11:11] <tomaw> see, I was hoping it wouldn't do that.
[11:11] <BearPerson> it didn't
[11:11] <tomaw> ah.
[11:11] <fbond> right
[11:11] <BearPerson> at least not by itself :)
[11:11] <fbond> thanks again, guys
[11:11] <tomaw> np :)
[11:35] <marcin`> hello MOTU's
[11:35] <marcin`> got a question
[11:35] <marcin`> I want to create something like 'virtual' package - it doesn't have any original files
[11:36] <marcin`> there are only some post* and pre* scripts
[11:36] <marcin`> but it creates an empty *.orig.tar.gz file that contains only single empty directory
[11:37] <marcin`> could someone tell me how can I avoid this?
[11:41] <fbond> marcin: I don't think you can avoid that
[11:41] <fbond> there needs to be a directory to apply the diff to
[11:43] <fbond> but ... this would appear to be a Debian-native package... is the tarball really named orig.tar.gz?
[11:45] <LaserJock> yeah, I would think there would have to be something to diff to. It should be just a tar.gz file, perhaps
[11:49] <Madkiss> cowabanga!
[11:55] <LaserJock> wb bmonty
[11:57] <bmonty> hi LaserJock
[11:57] <LaserJock> bmonty: how's Gabe?
[11:57] <bmonty> working on some permissions problems with my main computer, its getting very frustrating
[11:58] <bmonty> LaserJock: both mom and Gabe are sick :(
[11:58] <LaserJock> bummer, my brother-in-law and his wife and baby were all sick at Christmas, not fun
[11:59] <bmonty> LaserJock: thankfully I have not really been sick...yet
[12:00] <bmonty> LaserJock: I need to get someone to add me to the MOTU team on Launchpad do I can take your poll
[12:01] <LaserJock> bmonty: have you "joined" the team?
[12:01] <bmonty> LaserJock: it says that an admin has to add me
[12:02] <LaserJock> bmonty: what's your LP id?
[12:03] <bmonty> LaserJock: bmontgom