=== KriS83 [n=kris@p549B384A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Verlassend"] === Psi-Jack [n=psi-jack@cpe-70-112-220-160.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:16] What would be the best way to handle converting rpm to tar.gz for debian-style deb-src? [12:21] Psi-Jack: What package are you trying to convert? Have you checked the Ubuntu and Debian archives? [12:23] TheMuso: I'm grabbing Lexmark X/Z-600, Z25/Z35, Z55, and Z65 printer drivers provided by Lexmark, and making Ubuntu packages for them, which don't already exist. [12:23] Psi-Jack: maybe you could try alien --to-tgz, I haven't tried it myself but it looks like it is what you're looking for. [12:24] And I'm trying to keep the original Lexmark-provided tar.gz files in-tact and as original as possible. :) [12:24] Toadstool: Yeah. That's the only option I've seen so far, since Ubuntu doesn't have an rpm2targz package for it. [12:24] Psi-Jack: does lexmark provide tar.gz files or rpm only? === j^ [n=j@e178037245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] minghua: They provide very annoying tar.gz with a self-extracting tar.gz.sh, embeded with rpms inside those. So, my debian/rules is going to tail -n +143 FILE.tar.gz > install.tar.gz, then extract that, then un-rpm the two files in there, and combine it into the installation, properly. [12:27] Ouch [12:27] Heh. [12:27] Yeah. Tell me about it. [12:27] Psi-Jack: well, you are probably doing the best you can then [12:27] I might even figure out a better way than to extract out to install.tar.gz, and do it all in-line, up to the rpm parts. [12:28] ouch, really weird way to provide a tarball [12:28] Lexmark, I mean [12:29] minghua: Yeah. The only problem I can forsee is trying /not/ to repackage the original lexmark tarball to put all its files into a lexmark-z##/ directory and call it the _orig. [12:29] And better.. If any of the lexmark drivers share the same libs, I'll seperate it out into two packages. One for the common libs, and one for the specific driver parts. :) [12:30] How's that for working with whatcha got, packaging? :) [12:32] Do deb-src tarballs /have/ to untar to /, or can they untar to the same directory, and have the diff tarball just untar the debian/ directory into there? I'm just trying to check out my options. === _jason [n=jasonr@dhcp0534.hrn.resnet.group.UPENN.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:34] gn8 motus [12:37] Psi-Jack: IIRC the .orig.tar.gz doesn't need to untar to -/ dir, dpkg-source will handle that properly [12:37] It will? === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] Well, I'll try it, I guess. ;) === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-134-78.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] Psi-Jack: Have you had a look at how otoher source packages do it? [12:43] I looked at how skype-dsp-hijacker, and flashplugin-nonfree do it, but that's it. [12:43] Both of them, within the cwd, exatract to the / directory, and then start working with it. heh [12:46] Psi-Jack: packagename or packagename-version dir? [12:47] packagename-version [12:47] what I said is that the name of the dir doesn't matter, but yes, the whole thing need to be uncompressed into a dir, and then .diff.gz need to introduce a debian/ subdir in it [12:47] Psi-Jack: what are you trying to do? [12:48] minghua: That's what I thought. Hmm. [12:48] Hobbsee: Re-package Lexmark's printer drivers, into deb packages. [12:48] yuck. === Combatjuan [n=Combatju@lnk2-njohnson1-4.binary.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:49] from scratch, or did someone else do the debianisation? [12:49] Hobbsee_away: From scratch. Nobody else has debianized. [12:49] My kubuntu (Dapper TF2) box won't boot anymore and I'm struggling to understand why. I suspect it has to do with installing the scratchbox package. [12:49] The graphical kubuntu screen gets to "Starting system log daemon" and then dies to the console. It looks like my filesystem was unable to mount. "mount: proc already mounted" and a few more like that. Then "cannot : Read-only file system" [12:49] Psi-Jack: ewww...i hate doing that [12:49] Hobbsee_away: I don't mind, since it's for a good cause. And I have like 4-5 Lexmark printers, all Z600's, though. LOL [12:50] hehe === Hobbsee_away is now really away [12:50] I just bought new printers, rather than paying double for ink refill cartridges. ;) [12:53] If anyone has ideas on why my filesystem would mount readonly, I'd be happy to pastebin my log files or something. [12:53] Since I can't even get into the OS it's hard for me to feel like I can fix it so I'm hoping someone has an idea. [12:54] Can I boot with Knoppix and somehow chroot onto my kubuntu install and have it initialize? [12:54] LaserJock: ping [12:54] (I hope these questions aren't too basic for this channel, the #ubuntu folk sent me here) [12:55] Umm, they did? [12:55] Combatjuan: Have you tried recovery mode from the grub menu? That is if you are running x86? [12:55] Combatjuan: it's probably the correct channel (or #ubuntu-devel) since you are using dapper, but unfortunately I have no idea where your problem could be [12:56] minghua: pong [12:57] LaserJock: I was trying to backport plotdrop to Debian sarge [12:57] TheMuso, Yes x86. Recovery mode does the same thing. [12:57] minghua: oh really? [12:58] LaserJock: and I have a question about dependency: is there any specific reason that plotdrop build-depends on debhelper >= 5 and gtk >= 2.8? [12:58] LaserJock: yeah, already built the package, not tested yet [12:58] Combatjuan, I did one for fedora with knoppix [12:58] TheMuso, In fact, I have a few other kernels installed (from various updates) and they all appear to do the same thing. [12:58] s/one/once [12:58] hi atie, nice to meet you here [12:58] minghua, hi [12:59] atie, I did it once from Knoppix to Gentoo once, but there were a few obscure commands you had to run before/after chrooting that initialized a new kernel or something if I remember right. [01:00] minghua: the debhelper is just because debhelper 5 is out and gtk >=2.8 is for "prompt for confirmation when overwriting file on export" [01:00] Combatjuan, I am not sure, just enabling /mnt/hda was OK to chroot [01:01] with writable [01:02] hda means boot and root [01:04] LaserJock: okay, then I can user debhelper 4 safely, I think [01:04] minghua: yes, I used it at one point. [01:04] LaserJock: for gtk, the upstream only says >= 2.4, can you give more info on that "overwrte file on export" thing? [01:05] atie, Sorry. I don't follow. I was able to to chroot to a mounted /mnt/hda2 (my ubuntu install), and after running su, I was a recognizeable user. [01:05] minghua: changelog for version 0.4 [01:05] LaserJock: cool, thanks [01:06] Oooh! [01:06] rpm2cpio blah-blah-2.1.2-1.rpm | cpio -idmv <-- No alien dependancy. :D [01:06] atie, I am able to use apt-get now it would seem... I think I'm probably going to break something and need to reinstall... I'm trying to remove some of the packages I installed before rebooting. [01:06] Is anyone familiar with scratchbox? [01:06] LaserJock: hmm, I think I'll have to live without that prompt feature on sarge then :-) [01:07] Combatjuan, then disable chroot, copy your boot to somehwere [01:07] No alien build-dependancy, using rpm2cpio. :D [01:07] Combatjuan, like this cp /mnt/hda2/boot/*.* /mnt/hda1/ [01:08] Combatjuan, then you may able to edit grub.conf === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:08] Combatjuan, from /mnt/hda1/grub/grub.conf [01:10] minghua: just curious? why are you porting it to sarge? [01:10] LaserJock: oh, because the server in our group uses sarge, and I want to make it available to the whole group [01:11] atie, grub.conf ?? [01:11] the config in ubuntu is in menu.lst [01:11] unless i missed that we changed that [01:12] minghua: mind sending me the packages? upstream might want to put them on the website. [01:12] ogra, thank for correcting me. :) [01:12] :) [01:12] LaserJock: sure, but what about after I test it? :-) [01:13] LaserJock: and currently it has "mh" in the debian version string... [01:14] minghua: fine, I usually put "sarge" or something like that in the version string. [01:15] someone could help me to have amule 2.1.0-1ubuntu1 working with unicode search? [01:15] LaserJock: because official security update uses -XsargeY, I don't want to conflict with that (not that plotdrop is in sarge, but I plan to backport a little more) [01:15] minghua: true, good point [01:19] Okay. [01:20] Now for one more detail. These lexmark printer drivers apparently don't share common libs, so that's not an issue, but.. [01:20] They do have include/* files, which I would like to split into -dev packages. Because normally, one doesn't need the include files. :) [01:21] What would I need to do to have the same deb-src bundle make both the i386 and -dev packages? [01:22] atie: I'll try something like that. Thanks. === zen-afk [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.121.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zen-afk [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox__ [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:34] LaserJock: was testing the plotdrop backport, half-working, but seems to have issues [01:36] minghua: yeah? === zenrox__ [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:43] How do I make a diff patch? [01:43] Psi-Jack: A diff patch of what? [01:44] The diff command is used to make diffs. The -u flag is used as well. [01:44] Unless you are talking about debdiffs [01:44] TheMuso: I'm trying to make my diff.gz for this package, to basically build the debian/* dir. [01:44] As far as I am aware, that should be done during the package build... [01:45] Other packages that I have upgraded for myself have done that. [01:45] Hmmm. It hasn't for me, so far.. === _gus_ [n=gus@r200-125-52-101-dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] Psi-Jack: Unfortunately I am unable to track an example package down atm, as I have got to run. Someone else in here may be able to help you. [01:51] Psi-Jack: do you have a package-verison/ dir already? and do you have a debian/ dir in it? [01:52] minghua: Yes [01:52] I officially have no heat :( this snow BS is a bad reason to live in Canada [01:53] Psi-Jack: then do you have an package_version.orig.tar.gz outside of the package-version/ dir? [01:53] minghua: Correct.. [01:54] Psi-Jack: and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot in the package-version/ dir doesn't give you a .diff.gz? [01:54] Psi-Jack: what version number are you using? [01:55] minghua: Hmmm.... I'll try that. I was doing fake root debian/rules binary, because this is a binary-only package. No source code. heh [01:55] binary gives you binary packages [01:55] .diff.gz is part of the source package [01:55] So I would use: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot binary ? [01:56] (even if there is no source code) [01:56] Psi-Jack: no, you still need a source package, as azeem has pointed out [01:56] Psi-Jack: no, run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S to build the source package [01:56] Psi-Jack: it doesn't matter your "source" package is actually binary files [01:57] Ahh, I think I see. === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-80-95-221.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:45] Okay. [02:45] It's definately not building a diff, in fact, it's pretty much re-packing it into the tar.gz file. LOL [02:46] Psi-Jack: did you try `debuild -S -sa -k ` [02:47] Hmm, I tried: dpkg-buildpackage -sd -rfakeroot -k [02:47] Psi-Jack: what is your version number on top of the debian/changelog? === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-88-81.w86-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:47] minghua: 1.0-0ubuntu1 [02:48] The whole first line in changelog: lexmark-z600 (1.0-0ubuntu1) breezy; urgency=low [02:48] why are you packaging for breezy? [02:48] Psi-Jack: that is fine. are you sure you have a lexmark-z600_1.0.orig.tar.gz file outside of your build dir? [02:50] Yes, I do, but it's not using it at all. [02:51] Aha [02:51] Now it's working. [02:53] The .orig was a bz2, so it wasn't even bothering it. === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb219-74-228-32.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:56] Sweet.. === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:56] The only thing I got left to work with, is the stupid /usr/local/z600llpddk/utility junk, which on it's own, seems useless. [02:59] if you do a dh_make -f ../lexmarkblahblah.tar.bz2 it creates the tar.gz [02:59] for future reference [03:00] dolson: that isn't really simpler than bunzip2 -c ../blah.tar.bz2 | gzip > blah.tar.gz, is it? [03:01] Heh. Well, [03:01] well it also creates the base debian dir and files.. [03:01] Since I already have the Lexmark-provided tarballs, I just did it from theirs. :p === minghua doesn't like dh-make's debianization at all [03:02] Hmm. [03:03] lexmark-z600-dev_1.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb drivers optional [03:03] Why is it making arch-dependant -dev? :/ [03:03] minghua: to be fair, I wasn't aware that you could just bunzip and gzip the tarball. so thanks === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.121.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487D105.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] dolson: you are welcome. dh-make actually just use bunzip2 and gzip as well :-) [03:07] Psi-Jack: because you write arch:any for -dev in debian/control? [03:08] minghua: I don't understand how it doesn't change the checksums or whatever by having two different files, but if it works, then that's all I need to know [03:08] minghua: Hmm, yes.. I did.. What should it be? :) [03:10] Psi-Jack: you sure you only have .h files in your -dev package? [03:10] minghua: Yes, I am sure. [03:10] dolson: you mean the .bz2 and .gz? because the building process don't see the .bz2 file at all [03:11] Psi-Jack: arch:all then [03:11] minghua: Ahhhh. I see. === herzi [n=herzi@c141206.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:12] Now, how do I list the files in a .deb? :/ [03:13] is it installed? dpkg -L pkgname [03:13] No an uninstalled one. [03:13] Or, not-installed one anyway. hehe [03:13] not sure.. I would use gdebi, but that's not in breezy afaik [03:13] dpkg --install [03:14] but be aware that it doesn't deal with dependencies [03:14] he wants to list the files, not install it [03:14] Well grr, you can't just list the contents? :p [03:15] I'm sure there is a way. I just never looked into it [03:16] dpkg -C [03:16] Jeje [03:17] kay.. Why is copyright and changelog.Debian.gz being put into my -dev? :/ [03:18] StevenK: -C does audit, not list. :) [03:20] thanks StevenK. you saved me from looking at man dpkg someday when I decide that I really don't wanna use gdebi or install [03:20] Psi-Jack: I think it's a lowercase C [03:20] Yeah -c === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] Or --contents, apparently. heh === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:24] Psi-Jack: oh, sorry, didn't read carefully [03:26] Okay. I have but one more issue to work out with this package, and then I can successfully build this one, and all the other Lexmark drivers in my batch. [03:31] The each of the drivers has it's own COPYING and README files which is included in the base directory. What's the proper way to have those included in the docs dir? [03:33] I've got the files listed in lexmark-z600-doc.docs, but, it's not doing anything with them. [03:43] Psi-Jack: do you have dh_installdocs in debian/rules? === insidious [n=insidiou@24-180-7-3.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:08] ajmitch: ping? === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:20] Hobbsee: coming or going? ;-) [04:20] LaserJock: hehe - well i'd like to know that myself! [04:22] minghua: Yes [04:22] minghua: Sorry. I do have dh_installdocs in debian/rules. [04:23] Psi-Jack: oh, then I don't know [04:23] minghua: I emailed the plotdrop upstream a hopefully coherent email about your problem ;-) [04:23] LaserJock: cool, thanks === glroig [n=gerardo@73-187-89-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:26] Hmm, dh_install docs, should install docs in the base package directory, not in debian/* itself, as listed in lexmark-z600-doc.docs Correct? === glroig is away: Estoy ocupado === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.217] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@c141206.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === monzie [n=manish@220.226.22.207] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:04] hi all === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:06] hi monzie [05:06] hi LaserJock [05:06] a question which may be slightly off topic, but i dont konw in which other channel to ask [05:08] i want upload the ebuntu iso (650 MB) [05:08] it's currenlty a live cd, and contains E17 + ubuntu [05:09] right [05:10] monzie: have you been in contact with Andrew Mitchell, he said that he was talking with someone about ebuntu? [05:11] LaserJock: monzie is the ebuntu guy [05:11] ok, so I take that as a yes then ;-) [05:11] LaserJock: or you mean ajmitch is talking with some admin? [05:12] minghua: he just said that he had talked to an ebuntu guy, I didn't know if there was more than one or what [05:12] I think ajmitch meant monzie then :-) [05:13] LaserJock: we really need an education/science category in gnome menu [05:13] looking for plotdrop in graphics is never intuitive to me :-( [05:14] minghua: actually, I've been working on that [05:14] minghua: I opened a gnome bug for it [05:14] LaserJock: I know, I think I saw that bug. any news? [05:15] minghua: but the problem I had was I couldn't find very many science apps with .desktops so I couldn't prove it was necessary. That is why I'm kinda on a .desktop kick. [05:16] LaserJock: Ah, I see. [05:16] we first have to prove a need, and I really don't want to put everythin in Education. I believe there really should be a Science menu available [05:16] I don't really mind merging science and education personally [05:18] Well, I kinda do and it is somewhat more difficult for stuff that is truely educational. It's not a big deal but I can't imagine a 6th grader using a molecular modeling and computational chemistry package, know what I mean? === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:19] and the researcher has to dig around the teaching stuff to get to his "serious" professional apps. But in either case, both Educational and Science menus are not where the should be [05:19] Educational at least has a menu, just no icon [05:21] LaserJock: I can see your point [05:22] also Gnome is a bit difficult because they are trying to trim down the menu. [05:25] yeah, it would be nice if the menu thing can be more flexible === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:25] well, I think they should only show if there is something in them so I don't think it would be in the way for most users [05:25] for example, a distro can say "we don't ship science menu, put all science apps in education menu", while another distro can ship both, with the same sets of .desktop files === Czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-006-246.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-006-246.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Kopete] [05:26] LaserJock: that still won't help if a user only use one edu app and one sci app, he/she probably want them both in the same menu [05:27] I've been telling people making .desktop files for science apps to not include Educational in the Categories if the app is not really for educational use, although "educational" is something that isn't very well defined [05:28] minghua: I don't know, I would like to seperate them. If I'm looking for an educational app I would want to look in Educational but if I wanted a scientific app I would want to go to Science [05:30] but the real problem I suppose is that it is sometimes hard to distinguish educational from scientific to some degree [05:30] LaserJock: different people have different preference then, I suppose. I personally hate dozens of menus each with one or two items in it [05:30] a.k.a. windows style :-) [05:30] minghua: I agree, but you should have a well populated Science menu ;-) [05:33] hmm, monzie left, I wanted to talk to him :( === monzie [n=manish@220.226.18.143] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:34] monzie: oh, your back [05:34] yup. some conn problems here [05:35] monzie: did you want to discuss something about ebuntu? [05:35] yup [05:35] cool, I used E16 and E17 a little bit in my Gentoo days. I really liked it. [05:36] LaserJock, i have made an Ebuntu 17 live cd [05:36] i have to upload the iso somewhere so that people can try it out [05:37] and then can we start work on the full thing for dapper drake [05:37] so can you tell me if Ubuntu will allow uploading of the iso? [05:37] monzie: well, I'm not sure that it would make it for Dapper, more likely the next release [05:38] why so LaserJock ? [05:38] We are almost to Feature Freeze (23rd) which mean new packages shouldn't be added after then. [05:39] The packages exist, LaserJock [05:39] in the Ubuntu repositories? [05:40] no, but the Ubuntu Wiki lists how to add E17 to your sys === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:40] yup, E16 exists... [05:41] monzie: but the E17 packages should be in the Ubuntu repos by Feature Freeze. Exceptions can be made but they are rare. [05:42] E17 is an exceptional package.. :-) [05:42] monzie: this exception is too big :) [05:43] monzie: I'm not trying to discourage you from getting E17 into Ubuntu proper but I should be done in the proper way [05:43] hehe, well i understand you guys are busy , just kidding about the dapper thing [05:44] yeah i will , LaserJock . But a "a preview cd" would be good [05:44] and i have the iso ready, freeflying is allowing me to upload the ebuntu 5.10 iso to the Ubuntu cn ftp site [05:44] from where people can download and preview the stuff [05:45] monzie: cool, if you need help getting the source packages made we can help. [05:45] i have the source packages, what i dont have is time. [05:46] monzie: by the way, is your iso breezy-based? [05:46] minghua, Ebuntu = Ubuntu 5.10 - GNOME packages + E17 packages [05:46] monzie: you can upload the source packages for to REVU which is a review server for getting packages in Universe. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU has more info [05:47] + E17 packages [05:47] monzie: got it, thanks [05:47] no LaserJock , i just have the pristine source, "Debianization" has not been done [05:47] i read the guide abt that, LaserJock [05:47] you are welcome minghua [05:48] monzie: then that's what we need to get then ;-) [05:48] but the problem is , i am a poor student with only one comp .. can't risk unstable dapper on my machine to get all the build scripts running... [05:48] shall i upload the vanilla tarballs LaserJock ? [05:49] monzie: no, the debian source packages need to be uploaded [05:49] monzie: you can build the packages using pbuilder or a chroot while still running Breezy [05:49] is that so? [05:49] how do i do that? [05:50] wiki.ubutu.com/PbuilderHowTo [05:50] adn https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot [05:51] IMO both chroot and pbuilder a both handy. [05:51] btw, I'm a poor student too, although I don't mind using Dapper. I've used it exclusively since about the 2-3rd week the repos opened. [05:53] LaserJock: Err... I suppose that's not the computer you use for your school work/research, is it? [05:53] yep [05:53] i have my final sem project work on my machine, LaserJock [05:53] I've got everything on mine, but I have backups on other computers [05:55] i dont have any computers to back up to. [05:55] i am in rural india here, doing a project on the simputer [05:56] I see, well that definately makes sense then. But a chroot or pbuilder should hurt, although they can take quite a bit of disk space. [05:56] s/should/shouldn't/ , doh [05:57] okay LaserJock , but will i be able to test my packages in the chroot env? [05:57] yes [05:58] hmm, you might have some problems testing the actual window manager [05:59] you might need to get somebody else to test the .debs out, but you can certainly build the .debs with a chroot/pbuilder [06:00] The livecd runs on my sys and and on qemu LaserJock .. it may sound strange but it is actually easier to build than the damn package [06:01] monzie: great [06:04] monzie: have you seen the Debian New Maintainer's Guide? it is a good resource for building source packages. [06:08] monzie: I've also collected some links on packaging for Debian/Ubuntu at wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide/Resources === theCore [n=alexandr@Toronto-HSE-ppp3778557.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-176-23.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === monzie_ [n=manish@220.226.20.80] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alexandr@Toronto-HSE-ppp3778557.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:58] hi MOTUs === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:41] Three lexmark printer drivers down, 1 to go! :D [07:53] cool === jinty [n=jinty@196-28-45-128.jhb.netdial.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:27] !revu [08:27] Hmm [08:33] what === _vlad [n=vladimir@r13s18p03.home.nbox.cz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:37] <_vlad> Hello, I am a newbie in Ubuntu devel. I tried to contribute to Ubuntu by making a "pydev" package. I already uploaded the package to REVU and I am currious if there is anything else I can do to promote the package to get reviews. [08:37] Sweet. gpg sig submitted to REVU. :) [08:39] _vlad: it's a waiting game... I've got like 7 pkgs up there waiting reviews [08:39] _vlad: there aren't enough MOTUs with free time to go around :) [08:40] Heh. [08:40] I guess I should have submitted my GPG key to REVU before I spent all this time making the packages themselves, huh? :) [08:40] <_vlad> I see. Did you post anything to the ubuntu-devel list or is the usual way just stand waiting? [08:41] _vlad: I don't post about my packages to the list.. the packages are all listed in REVU, so it is just a matter of time before someone gets to them. If there is a way to force someone to REVU my packages without either money or violence, I don't know of it yet [08:42] Psi-Jack: it won't matter really.. I've had stuff waiting for a while. it takes about 10 seconds to upload once your key is added to the keyring [08:42] <_vlad> ook, fair enaugh. I was just currious :) [08:42] I would apply for MOTU but I don't know the policy enough yet, and I'm not very advanced at packaging yet [08:44] dolson: Heh yeah. [08:44] And to think, next I gotta dapper-ize them. :p [08:45] That, though, should be easy. [08:45] well you have to do that before you upload to REVU [08:45] Really? :/ [08:45] They won't put that in for breezy? [08:45] we don't develop for Breezy [08:45] feature freeze for Breezy was like... 6 months ago [08:45] I see.. [08:46] once they are in Dapper, you could request a backport I suppose, but I don't know how lucky you'll be with that, considering Dapper is almost upon us [08:46] This is true..blah.. heh. [08:47] And Dapper feature freeze is almost up too. [08:47] yeah, 23rd [08:48] Well, all I /really/ need to do to dapperize them, is change the dist in all of them, and it'll be set, unless their is any major changes to the way cups is done. Maybe version differences. [08:48] do you have build deps at all? [08:49] Yeah. build deps is only rpm. [08:49] should be just changing the changelog I would think then [08:49] and why rpm, just curious? [08:49] Because Lexmark does a tarball, with a self-extracting tar.gz.sh, with rpm's in it. [08:50] ick lol [08:50] Yes, ick, but hey. :p [08:50] I don't know if I'll get a Lexmark :\ [08:50] I made the best use of /just/ using rpm, and not anything else, like alien. I used rpm2cpio to actually extract the rpms. [08:50] I'm thinking about Epson again.. my current printer is the 777, and it needs new ink.. but it's cheaper to get a new printer than to buy new cartridges [08:51] Heh. [08:51] I have like 5 Lexmark Z600's, because of the price of ink was double to get than a new printer. ;) [08:51] lol [08:51] I would buy a nice HP laserjet, but um.. I need a job first. but I can't get a job if I can't print resumes.. chicken, egg === StevenK_ [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:52] lol [08:52] dolson: Are you running dapper? [08:52] on this hard drive, I am [08:53] I'm too lazy to reboot and swap drives [08:53] Can I get your quick assist on a couple version numbers? :) [08:53] ok [08:53] dolson: Do you use dapper chroots or pbuilder sessions? [08:53] Psi-Jack: http://packages.ubuntu.org.cn/dapper/allpackages.en.txt.gz [08:54] TheMuso: I test my packages with pbuilder build *.dsc [08:54] dolson: I prefer to unpack the source and run pdebuild in the unpacked directory. [08:55] I need dapper's version of rpm, cupsys, gs-esp, libc6, libcupsimage2, libcupsys2-gnutls10, libgcc1, and libstdc++5 basically. [08:55] see link :) [08:56] StevenK: What is the difference in doing it that way as opposed to pbuilder build .dsc? === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:58] hi zakame [08:59] heya dolson :D [09:00] argh, I screwed something up with this new package job of mx44 [09:01] it isn't copying the binary, it's duplicating the wrapper script.. which causes an infinite loop, eating CPU until ultimately locking up the system. time to do some work [09:03] gaah [09:05] wine doesn't work with the 2.6.15 kernel dapper shipped? crap. [09:07] minghua: everything I've tried to launch just says Killed on the console [09:07] dolson: me too [09:07] dolson: the forum says it's related to the newest kernel [09:08] I happen to have an old kernel around :-) let's try that [09:08] minghua: I did run notepad.exe once though, and it worked.. but that was before one of the upgrades I did, which I think included the kernel [09:10] argh.. I don't get this.. zakame, would you have a minute to look over my rules file and see if you can tell what is happening? [09:12] ack [09:13] lemme dupe this putty session :P [09:13] I'm trying to determine where win* puts its PPP secrets :/ [09:14] is that ack as in "ack! no!" or ack as in "acknowledge"? [09:14] There, now I got dapperized packages, too. [09:14] Psi-Jack: yay! [09:14] w00t Psi-Jack [09:17] dolson: heh, build-stamp gets old every time it gets called :/ [09:17] zakame: what? [09:18] zakame: if you're talking about my mx44 package on REVU, that isn't the current version.. check here http://aslan.homelinux.com/dana/tmp/Mx44/debian/ [09:19] dolson: ocular, still trying to build [09:19] ah [09:19] k will get that === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:22] dolson: have you tried moving the bin at install time instead of build-time? [09:22] wb minghua [09:22] this is rediculous... you grub always breaks when you need to change the boot kernel [09:22] hi zakame [09:22] zakame: I just was looking at the output, and it goes through the install twice.. weird. I'll do what you say and that will fix it. Thanks :) [09:22] dolson: yes, switch back to 2.6.15-13 and my wine works now [09:23] minghua: wow.. how could that have happened? is there an option in the kernel that is needed or..? [09:24] dolson: well you could also put that just before dh_installchangelogs in binary-arch [09:24] zakame: I meant build, not install, sry [09:26] doko: no idea. I am search for bugs in launchpad now [09:26] :) [09:26] bbl [09:28] doko: sorry, I meant to dolson [09:31] hmm.. something I dput still hasn't showed up on REVU yet.. === j^ [n=j@e178009064.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:36] no bug found, submitted as 31862 [09:43] dolson: you probably want to look at bug 30962 [09:43] malone bug 30962 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Running wine applications instantly outputs "Killed." in the terminal" [Normal,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/30962 [09:43] that's the real bug [09:44] I've marked mine as dup === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:05] ah === nomed [n=nomed@host124-60.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:17]