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| mornfall | gn | 12:17 |
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| mornfall | *asleep* | 12:17 |
| Lathiat | anyone seen a bug where the treeview loses all of its text? i've only noticed it in kontact but its happened a few times | 12:27 |
| Lathiat | http://bur.st/~lathiat/treeview-textless.png | 12:28 |
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| toma | yep, reported it in bugs.kde.org | 12:37 |
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| tinin | boooh! lot of work round here.. | 05:26 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: poke? | 09:39 |
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| mornfall | can someone please give overview of support and freeness of individual sections? | 10:45 |
| mornfall | my current guess is: unsupported = universe, contrib, non-free = non-free, restricted, multiverse? | 10:45 |
| Lathiat | main = supported free | 10:50 |
| Lathiat | restricted = supported non-free | 10:50 |
| Lathiat | universe = unsupported free | 10:50 |
| Lathiat | multiverse = unsupported non-free | 10:50 |
| Lathiat | the exact definition of 'free' im not 100% sure | 10:50 |
| Tm_T | prolly FOSS/lgpl | 10:50 |
| mornfall | Tm_T: hmm? :) | 10:51 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: hi | 10:51 |
| mornfall | Tm_T: FOSS has no definition and lgpl is a very small set :-) | 10:51 |
| Tm_T | hullo | 10:51 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: will you need ppc'package of kopete-0.12 | 10:51 |
| Tm_T | mornfall: I mean lgpl atleast, including gpl | 10:51 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: not me | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: I don't have any ppc hardware | 10:52 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: :) | 10:52 |
| mornfall | Tm_T: there's no linear ordering on licenses either :-) | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | mornfall: true | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | mornfall: so, hard to define but atleast I tried =) | 10:53 |
| mornfall | heh | 10:53 |
| mornfall | DFSG is good | 10:53 |
| mornfall | i'd say free in ubuntu is no stricter than DFSG (probably more lax) | 10:53 |
| Tm_T | heh | 10:53 |
| mornfall | and now, i can't even recall anymore what i changed (and wanted to test) | 10:54 |
| mornfall | *recalls* (after going through today's diff :p) | 10:55 |
| mornfall | kewl | 10:56 |
| mornfall | why's kdegraphics in universe is completely beyond me though | 10:57 |
| mornfall | but so be it | 10:57 |
| mornfall | http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/isntaller-almostbeta.png :-) | 10:59 |
| Hobbsee | very nice mornfall! | 11:01 |
| freeflying | we shall have a page like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight4 for introducing kubuntu | 11:02 |
| OculusAquilae | nice | 11:02 |
| freeflying | mornfall: nicer than synaptic | 11:03 |
| mornfall | freeflying: it should compare to gnome-app-install not synaptic | 11:04 |
| mornfall | (if someone could get me a bunch of gnome-app-install screenies it'd be nice, since it doesn't run on my dapper :|) | 11:04 |
| freeflying | mornfall: http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/adept.png | 11:07 |
| freeflying | mornfall: adept can hardly run on my system :( | 11:07 |
| mornfall | freeflying: is that still a ppc box? | 11:09 |
| freeflying | mornfall: i386 | 11:09 |
| mornfall | weird | 11:09 |
| mornfall | i'd say retry with beta and then we can try to solve it | 11:09 |
| mornfall | what is the spec of the system? | 11:09 |
| mornfall | (if it's a real i386 i'd not be surprized ;p) | 11:09 |
| seaLne | heh | 11:10 |
| mornfall | so let me install this ubuntu-desktop hog | 11:10 |
| mornfall | so maybe i finally get gnome-app-install to run | 11:10 |
| mornfall | had to grow my chroot partition bah | 11:11 |
| mornfall | hopefully 16G will be enough for some time again | 11:11 |
| freeflying | mornfall: amd sermphon 2200+ +512M RAM + sata HDD | 11:11 |
| mornfall | hmm, don't have an amd... it could be something mutex/thrading related | 11:12 |
| mornfall | my amd mobo has a busted capacitor | 11:12 |
| freeflying | mornfall: anyone it could run before | 11:12 |
| mornfall | new threading code in alpha2 | 11:14 |
| mornfall | and buggy too :-) | 11:14 |
| mornfall | i fixed most (all?) of the issues for beta -- hopefully | 11:14 |
| mornfall | patience, young jedi -- it should be ready today | 11:14 |
| mornfall | ahaahgh... gobject.GError: Icon 'gnome-settings-default-applications' not present in theme | 11:16 |
| mornfall | i can't believe it | 11:17 |
| mornfall | oooh, running gnome-control-center and selecting themes fixed | 11:18 |
| freeflying | mornfall: hmmm | 11:18 |
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| mornfall | <-- tired | 11:27 |
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| mornfall | one feature to go | 11:37 |
| freeflying | Riddell: ping | 11:38 |
| mornfall | no route to host | 11:38 |
| Riddell | freeflying: hi | 11:46 |
| freeflying | Riddell: shall I upload the new patched qt to REVU | 11:46 |
| Riddell | freeflying: please do | 11:46 |
| freeflying | Riddell: I put patches into one dpatch file | 11:47 |
| Riddell | freeflying: yeah, that's fine | 11:48 |
| mornfall | hey Riddell | 11:49 |
| Riddell | morning mornfall | 11:49 |
| Hobbsee | mornign Riddell | 11:49 |
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| Riddell | mornfall: looks beautiful | 11:50 |
| mornfall | 1 feature to go :] | 11:51 |
| Riddell | I wonder where we should put Adept Installer in the menu | 11:52 |
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| andred | freeflying: thanks for the deb. uploading atm... | 11:59 |
| freeflying | andred: :) | 12:00 |
| freeflying | andred: have u got the comment in mail | 12:00 |
| andred | freeflying: yep, i', gonna change this | 12:00 |
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| andred | freeflying: is this breezy or dapper? | 12:01 |
| freeflying | andred: dapper | 12:02 |
| andred | alright | 12:02 |
| andred | ok it's in | 12:03 |
| freeflying | Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1866 | 12:18 |
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| mornfall | aaah 2.5M ubuntu diff | 12:41 |
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| freeflying | mornfall: hmm | 01:00 |
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| Riddell | pef: what version of cups does freebsd use? | 02:14 |
| pef | Riddell: 1.1.23.0 | 02:14 |
| Riddell | pef: yeah, so the problem is the cups version ubuntu uses, not the socket pointed to as 29638 suggests | 02:15 |
| pef | Riddell: I find using a port number on a socket strange :) | 02:16 |
| freeflying | Riddell: how about add skim to kubuntu's install cd | 02:18 |
| Riddell | freeflying: was skim etc being added to language-support? | 02:20 |
| Riddell | not sure if it could be since it's KDE specific | 02:20 |
| Riddell | freeflying: is there a way to have skim installed but not sitting in the system tray of users by default? | 02:21 |
| freeflying | Riddell: pitti has said that scim will be included in ubuntu ,and skim in kubuntu | 02:21 |
| hunger | Riddell: do not include its desktop file in /usr/share/autostart? | 02:21 |
| freeflying | Riddell: if you don't set the XMODIFIERS ,then skim will not run | 02:22 |
| hunger | Riddell: Apropos /u/s/a: Would you mind adding OnlyShowIn=KDE; lines to the kde-specific desktop files there? | 02:22 |
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| Riddell | hunger: which kde-specific desktop files? what are the bug numbers? | 02:23 |
| hunger | Riddell: kalarm and kgpg. #31923 and #31924 | 02:23 |
| Riddell | hunger: they aren't kde specific | 02:24 |
| hunger | Riddell: Well, they shouldn't get started in gnome either. | 02:25 |
| Riddell | oh, autostart | 02:26 |
| Riddell | not /usr/share/applications | 02:26 |
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| freeflying | Riddell: shall we use language-pack-kde setup the IM variable , then skim will not affect other languages user | 02:32 |
| Huahua | Riddell: yes | 02:33 |
| Riddell | freeflying: that's an interesting idea | 02:34 |
| Riddell | we should talk to pitti about that | 02:34 |
| freeflying | Riddell: we are tired of that , for mark need a out-of-the-box dapper for chinese user | 02:34 |
| Riddell | yep | 02:37 |
| Huahua | Riddell: pitti had said that the langpacks can't configure anything , but we wish the language-pack-kde-zh can do shomethings for skim | 02:38 |
| Huahua | We can setting skim when the locale is zh_CN | 02:39 |
| Huahua | and skim can be installed but not sitting in the system tray of users by default ( except nin zh_CN ) | 02:41 |
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| Huahua | I think the language-pack-kde-zh may register skim into the im-switch ( a Input method switch framework ) | 02:44 |
| Huahua | It may give us a OOTB dapper for chinese user | 02:46 |
| pef | Riddell: after an ethereal session it seems that cups never send back any printer (kprint, gnome-cups-manger), will gill a bug against cups | 02:48 |
| Riddell | language-support-xx should do all that in my opinon | 02:48 |
| Riddell | pef: cups doesn't do network by default in ubuntu | 02:48 |
| pef | Riddell: on lo0 :) | 02:48 |
| freeflying | Riddell: seem that we shall persuade pitti to add that | 02:49 |
| Riddell | pef: network is turned off in cups by default | 02:49 |
| freeflying | Riddell: I think that you are the right one to persuade pitti :) | 02:51 |
| Riddell | yes, I'll give it a shot | 02:52 |
| Huahua | Riddell: there're 2 chinese Input method , and we wish Kubuntu may use skim ( KDE version ), and Ubuntu may use scim . so we wish use language-pack-kde-zh , but no language-support-zh | 02:53 |
| Huahua | Riddell: thanks | 02:53 |
| Riddell | well language-support-zh includes spell checking dicionaries and the like you'll always want it | 02:53 |
| Huahua | right | 02:54 |
| pef | Riddell: mmm no, on a fresh flight4 install, I run ethereal on lo, the go to system settings -> print, and I got lo traffic (ipp) | 03:01 |
| pef | using cups as print manager | 03:01 |
| Riddell | probably KDE is searching for it | 03:02 |
| Riddell | does it working changing the cups socket to localhost? | 03:02 |
| pef | Riddell: no, I have "unknonwn ipp resquest " or something like this | 03:03 |
| pef | Riddell: Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: the IPP request failed for an unknown reason. | 03:03 |
| Riddell | so even if cups does listen on localhost (and I'm pretty sure it doesn't) that doesn't solve the problem | 03:04 |
| pef | Riddell: there is a dialog between cups on kde on lo, I can see answers from cups saying no default printer | 03:04 |
| Riddell | well maybe I'm wrong | 03:04 |
| Riddell | but it's got nothing to do with the cups bug :) | 03:04 |
| pef | Riddell: on ubuntu cups sends a "No destinations added" error, on FreeBSD no | 03:06 |
| Riddell | well ubuntu uses cups pre-1.2 , freebsd cups 1.1 | 03:08 |
| freeflying | Riddell: have you reviewed th qt package on REVU | 03:13 |
| Riddell | freeflying: not yet | 03:15 |
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| teprrr | hmm, any ideas why wine gets killed everytime I try to start start it? | 03:26 |
| teprrr | receives SIGKILL and dies.. :P | 03:26 |
| Riddell | \sh_away is your wine man | 03:27 |
| teprrr | ah, oookay | 03:27 |
| mornfall | ha-hum | 03:30 |
| pef | teprrr: already reported, check launchpad :) | 03:30 |
| mornfall | launchpad -- just when i thought bugzilla was the worst piece of software around :| | 03:31 |
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| Riddell | mornfall: if you have specific problems with malone I can pass them on and get them prioritised | 03:34 |
| mornfall | Riddell: it may be my ignorance -- but how can i save searches? and format them in a table? the default bug list is ultra-cluttered | 03:35 |
| mornfall | looking up anything in the list is pain | 03:36 |
| mornfall | or sort bugs by some criteria (other than bug number) | 03:36 |
| === mornfall finds sorting | ||
| mornfall | it doesn't seem to show severity nor priority in the default list? | 03:38 |
| mornfall | changing bugs requires extra clicking | 03:39 |
| mornfall | (it took me day to figure how to change a bug) | 03:39 |
| teprrr | pef, hmm. what should I search for from launchpad? wine gives me nothing useful | 03:40 |
| pef | teprrr: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/30962 | 03:41 |
| mornfall | the publishing history is rendered all over the right sidebar | 03:42 |
| teprrr | pef, ah. thanks. :p | 03:42 |
| pef | :) | 03:42 |
| mornfall | all in all | 03:42 |
| mornfall | is there a way to have malone bugs automatically forwarded to kde bugzilla upon filing? | 03:43 |
| mornfall | i guess i won't ever get people to file bugs directly in b.k.o | 03:43 |
| Riddell | mornfall: no, I've suggested this but the trouble says the malone dude is checking for duplicates | 03:45 |
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| mornfall | why is there no version info in the bug metadata? | 03:48 |
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| seaLne | because the bug reporter is never asked, which i think is bad | 03:51 |
| mornfall | so i have to ask every time separately, wee | 03:52 |
| mornfall | some people figure by themselves to include version in the bug description | 03:53 |
| seaLne | but some pull down menus for distro and arch wouldn't do any harm | 03:54 |
| mornfall | what is the "request fix upstream" thing for? | 03:54 |
| mornfall | i can't seem to figure what good it is | 03:54 |
| mornfall | it added a line to Fix Requested In | 03:54 |
| seaLne | its a problem upstream not in kubuntu packaging | 03:55 |
| mornfall | so it's just for marking bugs? | 03:55 |
| seaLne | yeah, pretty confusing imho | 03:58 |
| Riddell | you can make it watch a bug in bugs.kde.org (or other major bug trackers) | 03:58 |
| seaLne | ah how? | 03:58 |
| mornfall | can i make it *file* a bug in b.k.o? | 03:58 |
| Riddell | request fix upstream i think | 03:58 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i just tried that... it presented me with a line edit "select product" | 03:58 |
| Riddell | mornfall: no, I've asked for that but they wouldn't be easily able to check for duplicates | 03:58 |
| mornfall | Riddell: and a link "choose product" | 03:59 |
| mornfall | Riddell: so i click choose product | 03:59 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i get new window with same lineedit | 03:59 |
| mornfall | so i type adept there | 03:59 |
| Riddell | I haven't done it in a while though | 03:59 |
| mornfall | after some more clicking | 03:59 |
| mornfall | i managed to complete the process | 03:59 |
| mornfall | net result: new line in "fix requested in" | 03:59 |
| mornfall | nothing else happened | 03:59 |
| mornfall | i don't give a damn about dupes, i can close them myself | 04:00 |
| mornfall | like i always did | 04:00 |
| freeflying | mornfall: when can I use adept ? hmmm | 04:00 |
| mornfall | so current situation: malone is nearly useless and i have to manually copy all bugs if i want to track them in b.k.o | 04:01 |
| mornfall | neato | 04:01 |
| mornfall | freeflying: when i get around to implementing this last one feature and make tarballs | 04:01 |
| Riddell | ah, it's "Link to Other Bug Tracker" | 04:02 |
| Riddell | on the side, different from request uptream | 04:02 |
| Riddell | request upstream must be for programs that use launchpad as a bug tracker | 04:03 |
| mornfall | i found it | 04:03 |
| mornfall | aha | 04:03 |
| mornfall | never | 04:03 |
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| luka74 | anybody with success in installing Kubuntu Flight 4 (from scratch)? | 06:07 |
| luka74 | see: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+bug/31974 | 06:07 |
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| _Sime | Riddell: are planning on using xsettings-kde to keep GTK apps (roughly) in sync with KDE's settings? | 08:52 |
| _Sime | Riddell: "are you"... is what I meant to say. | 08:55 |
| incinerator | ping luka74 | 09:26 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: can you upload libapt-front for me tonight? i will have adept prepared as well, but it may be already fairly late | 09:34 |
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| raphink | Riddell: may I ask if you plan to release this fix ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdesdk/+bug/31782 | 09:39 |
| Tm_T | hmm, Kcalc bugs a bit | 09:53 |
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| Flosoft | hey | 09:54 |
| Flosoft | anyone who would like to add Kopete with Jingle to Breezy / Dapper? | 09:55 |
| Flosoft | http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20Jabber%20Jingle | 09:55 |
| Tm_T | Flosoft: cannot be compiled in dapper atm | 09:56 |
| Tm_T | Flosoft: I tried | 09:56 |
| Tm_T | http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kcalc_1.png | 09:57 |
| Tm_T | hum, small field to numbers, eh? | 09:57 |
| Flosoft | I just heard ... there is no libjingle in Dapper? | 09:57 |
| Tm_T | no, libortp is wrong version | 09:58 |
| Tm_T | I prolly try to do libortp & kopete-jingle packages when Kopete 0.12 is in beta | 10:01 |
| Tm_T | that is for dapper | 10:01 |
| mornfall | Riddell: can you please add libqt-perl as a dependency to kubuntu-desktop? it's recommended by adept but i would really prefer to have it installed by default... | 10:02 |
| mornfall | Riddell: especially since we hide the konsole by default now, which will hav the effect of adept apparently hanging when debconf asks question -- without much clue to the user atm (i have no clue how to implement the auto-display-konsole thing) | 10:04 |
| mornfall | have* | 10:04 |
| mornfall | i may do it for beta2 (it can be considered a bugfix)... but i don't give it much chance | 10:04 |
| mornfall | bah, no freeflying around? | 10:15 |
| mornfall | Riddell: when you get around, http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/libapt-front_0.3.7.tar.gz | 10:20 |
| mornfall | adept building now | 10:21 |
| mornfall | Riddell: and http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/ept_1.90.tar.gz | 10:27 |
| mornfall | everyone: if someone is volunteering to test compile the above two, it'd be cool :-) | 10:27 |
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