[12:17] <mornfall> gn
[12:17] <mornfall> *asleep*
[12:27] <Lathiat> anyone seen a bug where the treeview loses all of its text? i've only noticed it in kontact but its happened a few times
[12:28] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/treeview-textless.png 
[12:37] <toma> yep, reported it in bugs.kde.org
[05:26] <tinin> boooh! lot of work round here..
[09:39] <mornfall> Riddell: poke?
[10:45] <mornfall> can someone please give overview of support and freeness of individual sections?
[10:45] <mornfall> my current guess is: unsupported = universe, contrib, non-free = non-free, restricted, multiverse?
[10:50] <Lathiat> main = supported free
[10:50] <Lathiat> restricted = supported non-free
[10:50] <Lathiat> universe = unsupported free
[10:50] <Lathiat> multiverse = unsupported non-free
[10:50] <Lathiat> the exact definition of 'free' im not 100% sure
[10:50] <Tm_T> prolly FOSS/lgpl
[10:51] <mornfall> Tm_T: hmm? :)
[10:51] <freeflying> Tm_T: hi
[10:51] <mornfall> Tm_T: FOSS has no definition and lgpl is a very small set :-)
[10:51] <Tm_T> hullo
[10:51] <freeflying> Tm_T: will you need ppc'package of kopete-0.12
[10:51] <Tm_T> mornfall: I mean lgpl atleast, including gpl
[10:52] <Tm_T> freeflying: not me
[10:52] <Tm_T> freeflying: I don't have any ppc hardware
[10:52] <freeflying> Tm_T:  :)
[10:52] <mornfall> Tm_T: there's no linear ordering on licenses either :-)
[10:52] <Tm_T> mornfall: true
[10:53] <Tm_T> mornfall: so, hard to define but atleast I tried =)
[10:53] <mornfall> heh
[10:53] <mornfall> DFSG is good
[10:53] <mornfall> i'd say free in ubuntu is no stricter than DFSG (probably more lax)
[10:53] <Tm_T> heh
[10:54] <mornfall> and now, i can't even recall anymore what i changed (and wanted to test)
[10:55] <mornfall> *recalls* (after going through today's diff :p)
[10:56] <mornfall> kewl
[10:57] <mornfall> why's kdegraphics in universe is completely beyond me though
[10:57] <mornfall> but so be it
[10:59] <mornfall> http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/isntaller-almostbeta.png :-)
[11:01] <Hobbsee> very nice mornfall!
[11:02] <freeflying> we shall have a page like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight4 for introducing kubuntu
[11:02] <OculusAquilae> nice
[11:03] <freeflying> mornfall: nicer than synaptic 
[11:04] <mornfall> freeflying: it should compare to gnome-app-install not synaptic
[11:04] <mornfall> (if someone could get me a bunch of gnome-app-install screenies it'd be nice, since it doesn't run on my dapper :|)
[11:07] <freeflying> mornfall: http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/adept.png
[11:07] <freeflying> mornfall: adept can hardly run on my system  :(
[11:09] <mornfall> freeflying: is that still a ppc box?
[11:09] <freeflying> mornfall: i386
[11:09] <mornfall> weird
[11:09] <mornfall> i'd say retry with beta and then we can try to solve it
[11:09] <mornfall> what is the spec of the system?
[11:09] <mornfall> (if it's a real i386 i'd not be surprized ;p)
[11:10] <seaLne> heh
[11:10] <mornfall> so let me install this ubuntu-desktop hog
[11:10] <mornfall> so maybe i finally get gnome-app-install to run
[11:11] <mornfall> had to grow my chroot partition bah
[11:11] <mornfall> hopefully 16G will be enough for some time again
[11:11] <freeflying> mornfall: amd sermphon 2200+  +512M RAM + sata HDD
[11:12] <mornfall> hmm, don't have an amd... it could be something mutex/thrading related
[11:12] <mornfall> my amd mobo has a busted capacitor
[11:12] <freeflying> mornfall: anyone it could run before
[11:14] <mornfall> new threading code in alpha2
[11:14] <mornfall> and buggy too :-)
[11:14] <mornfall> i fixed most (all?) of the issues for beta -- hopefully
[11:14] <mornfall> patience, young jedi -- it should be ready today
[11:16] <mornfall> ahaahgh... gobject.GError: Icon 'gnome-settings-default-applications' not present in theme
[11:17] <mornfall> i can't believe it
[11:18] <mornfall> oooh, running gnome-control-center and selecting themes fixed
[11:18] <freeflying> mornfall: hmmm
[11:27] <mornfall> <-- tired
[11:37] <mornfall> one feature to go
[11:38] <freeflying> Riddell: ping
[11:38] <mornfall> no route to host
[11:46] <Riddell> freeflying: hi
[11:46] <freeflying> Riddell: shall I upload the new patched qt to REVU
[11:46] <Riddell> freeflying: please do
[11:47] <freeflying> Riddell: I put patches into one dpatch file 
[11:48] <Riddell> freeflying: yeah, that's fine
[11:49] <mornfall> hey Riddell 
[11:49] <Riddell> morning mornfall 
[11:49] <Hobbsee> mornign Riddell 
[11:50] <Riddell> mornfall: looks beautiful
[11:51] <mornfall> 1 feature to go :] 
[11:52] <Riddell> I wonder where we should put Adept Installer in the menu
[11:59] <andred> freeflying: thanks for the deb. uploading atm...
[12:00] <freeflying> andred: :)
[12:00] <freeflying> andred: have u got the comment in mail 
[12:00] <andred> freeflying: yep, i', gonna change this
[12:01] <andred> freeflying: is this breezy or dapper?
[12:02] <freeflying> andred: dapper
[12:02] <andred> alright
[12:03] <andred> ok it's in
[12:18] <freeflying> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1866
[12:41] <mornfall> aaah 2.5M ubuntu diff
[01:00] <freeflying> mornfall:  hmm
[02:14] <Riddell> pef: what version of cups does freebsd use?
[02:14] <pef> Riddell: 1.1.23.0
[02:15] <Riddell> pef: yeah, so the problem is the cups version ubuntu uses, not the socket pointed to as 29638 suggests
[02:16] <pef> Riddell: I find using a port number on a socket strange :)
[02:18] <freeflying> Riddell: how about add skim to kubuntu's install cd 
[02:20] <Riddell> freeflying: was skim etc being added to language-support?
[02:20] <Riddell> not sure if it could be since it's KDE specific
[02:21] <Riddell> freeflying: is there a way to have skim installed but not sitting in the system tray of users by default?
[02:21] <freeflying> Riddell: pitti has said that scim will be included in ubuntu ,and skim in kubuntu
[02:21] <hunger> Riddell: do not include its desktop file in /usr/share/autostart?
[02:22] <freeflying> Riddell: if you don't set the XMODIFIERS ,then skim will not run 
[02:22] <hunger> Riddell: Apropos /u/s/a: Would you mind adding OnlyShowIn=KDE; lines to the kde-specific desktop files there?
[02:23] <Riddell> hunger: which kde-specific desktop files?  what are the bug numbers?
[02:23] <hunger> Riddell: kalarm and kgpg. #31923 and #31924
[02:24] <Riddell> hunger: they aren't kde specific
[02:25] <hunger> Riddell: Well, they shouldn't get started in gnome either.
[02:26] <Riddell> oh, autostart
[02:26] <Riddell> not /usr/share/applications
[02:32] <freeflying> Riddell: shall we use language-pack-kde setup the IM variable , then skim will not affect other languages user
[02:33] <Huahua> Riddell: yes
[02:34] <Riddell> freeflying: that's an interesting idea
[02:34] <Riddell> we should talk to pitti about that
[02:34] <freeflying> Riddell: we are tired of that , for mark need a out-of-the-box dapper for chinese user 
[02:37] <Riddell> yep
[02:38] <Huahua> Riddell: pitti had said that the langpacks can't configure anything , but we wish the language-pack-kde-zh can do shomethings for   skim
[02:39] <Huahua> We can setting skim when the  locale is zh_CN
[02:41] <Huahua> and skim can be installed but not sitting in the system tray of users by default ( except nin zh_CN  )
[02:44] <Huahua> I think   the language-pack-kde-zh may register skim into the im-switch ( a Input method switch framework )
[02:46] <Huahua> It may give us a OOTB dapper for chinese user
[02:48] <pef> Riddell: after an ethereal session it seems that cups never send back any printer (kprint, gnome-cups-manger), will gill a bug against cups
[02:48] <Riddell> language-support-xx should do all that in my opinon
[02:48] <Riddell> pef: cups doesn't do network by default in ubuntu
[02:48] <pef> Riddell: on lo0 :)
[02:49] <freeflying> Riddell: seem that we shall persuade pitti to add that 
[02:49] <Riddell> pef: network is turned off in cups by default
[02:51] <freeflying> Riddell: I think that you are the right one to persuade pitti  :)
[02:52] <Riddell> yes, I'll give it a shot
[02:53] <Huahua> Riddell: there're 2 chinese Input method , and we wish Kubuntu may use skim ( KDE version  ), and Ubuntu may use scim  . so we wish use  language-pack-kde-zh , but no language-support-zh 
[02:53] <Huahua> Riddell: thanks 
[02:53] <Riddell> well language-support-zh includes spell checking dicionaries and the like you'll always want it
[02:54] <Huahua> right 
[03:01] <pef> Riddell: mmm no, on a fresh flight4 install, I run ethereal on lo, the go to system settings -> print, and I got lo traffic (ipp)
[03:01] <pef> using cups as print manager
[03:02] <Riddell> probably KDE is searching for it
[03:02] <Riddell> does it working changing the cups socket to localhost?
[03:03] <pef> Riddell: no, I have "unknonwn ipp resquest " or something like this
[03:03] <pef> Riddell: Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: the IPP request failed for an unknown reason.
[03:04] <Riddell> so even if cups does listen on localhost (and I'm pretty sure it doesn't) that doesn't solve the problem
[03:04] <pef> Riddell: there is a dialog between cups on kde on lo, I can see answers from cups saying no default printer
[03:04] <Riddell> well maybe I'm wrong
[03:04] <Riddell> but it's got nothing to do with the cups bug :)
[03:06] <pef> Riddell: on ubuntu cups sends a "No destinations added" error, on FreeBSD no
[03:08] <Riddell> well ubuntu uses cups pre-1.2 , freebsd cups 1.1
[03:13] <freeflying> Riddell: have you reviewed th qt package on REVU
[03:15] <Riddell> freeflying: not yet
[03:26] <teprrr> hmm, any ideas why wine gets killed everytime I try to start start it?
[03:26] <teprrr> receives SIGKILL and dies.. :P
[03:27] <Riddell> \sh_away is your wine man
[03:27] <teprrr> ah, oookay
[03:30] <mornfall> ha-hum
[03:30] <pef> teprrr: already reported, check launchpad :)
[03:31] <mornfall> launchpad -- just when i thought bugzilla was the worst piece of software around :|
[03:34] <Riddell> mornfall: if you have specific problems with malone I can pass them on and get them prioritised
[03:35] <mornfall> Riddell: it may be my ignorance -- but how can i save searches? and format them in a table? the default bug list is ultra-cluttered
[03:36] <mornfall> looking up anything in the list is pain
[03:36] <mornfall> or sort bugs by some criteria  (other than bug number)
[03:38] <mornfall> it doesn't seem to show severity nor priority in the default list?
[03:39] <mornfall> changing bugs requires extra clicking
[03:39] <mornfall> (it took me day to figure how to change a bug)
[03:40] <teprrr> pef, hmm. what should I search for from launchpad? wine gives me nothing useful
[03:41] <pef> teprrr: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/30962
[03:42] <mornfall> the publishing history is rendered all over the right sidebar
[03:42] <teprrr> pef, ah. thanks. :p
[03:42] <pef> :)
[03:42] <mornfall> all in all
[03:43] <mornfall> is there a way to have malone bugs automatically forwarded to kde bugzilla upon filing?
[03:43] <mornfall> i guess i won't ever get people to file bugs directly in b.k.o
[03:45] <Riddell> mornfall: no, I've suggested this but the trouble says the malone dude is checking for duplicates
[03:48] <mornfall> why is there no version info in the bug metadata?
[03:51] <seaLne> because the bug reporter is never asked, which i think is bad
[03:52] <mornfall> so i have to ask every time separately, wee
[03:53] <mornfall> some people figure by themselves to include version in the bug description
[03:54] <seaLne> but some pull down menus for distro and arch wouldn't do any harm
[03:54] <mornfall> what is the "request fix upstream" thing for?
[03:54] <mornfall> i can't seem to figure what good it is
[03:54] <mornfall> it added a line to Fix Requested In
[03:55] <seaLne> its a problem upstream not in kubuntu packaging
[03:55] <mornfall> so it's just for marking bugs?
[03:58] <seaLne> yeah, pretty confusing imho
[03:58] <Riddell> you can make it watch a bug in bugs.kde.org (or other major bug trackers)
[03:58] <seaLne> ah how?
[03:58] <mornfall> can i make it *file* a bug in b.k.o?
[03:58] <Riddell> request fix upstream i think
[03:58] <mornfall> Riddell: i just tried that... it presented me with a line edit "select product"
[03:58] <Riddell> mornfall: no, I've asked for that but they wouldn't be easily able to check for duplicates
[03:59] <mornfall> Riddell: and a link "choose product"
[03:59] <mornfall> Riddell: so i click choose product
[03:59] <mornfall> Riddell: i get new window with same lineedit
[03:59] <mornfall> so i type adept there
[03:59] <Riddell> I haven't done it in a while though
[03:59] <mornfall> after some more clicking
[03:59] <mornfall> i managed to complete the process
[03:59] <mornfall> net result: new line in "fix requested in"
[03:59] <mornfall> nothing else happened
[04:00] <mornfall> i don't give a damn about dupes, i can close them myself
[04:00] <mornfall> like i always did
[04:00] <freeflying> mornfall: when can I use adept ?  hmmm
[04:01] <mornfall> so current situation: malone is nearly useless and i have to manually copy all bugs if i want to track them in b.k.o
[04:01] <mornfall> neato
[04:01] <mornfall> freeflying: when i get around to implementing this last one feature and make tarballs
[04:02] <Riddell> ah, it's "Link to Other Bug Tracker"
[04:02] <Riddell> on the side, different from request uptream
[04:03] <Riddell> request upstream must be for programs that use launchpad as a bug tracker
[04:03] <mornfall> i found it
[04:03] <mornfall> aha
[04:03] <mornfall> never
[06:07] <luka74> anybody with success in installing Kubuntu Flight 4 (from scratch)?
[06:07] <luka74> see: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+bug/31974
[08:52] <_Sime> Riddell: are planning on using xsettings-kde to keep GTK apps (roughly) in sync with KDE's settings?
[08:55] <_Sime> Riddell:  "are you"... is what I meant to say.
[09:26] <incinerator> ping luka74
[09:34] <mornfall> Riddell: can you upload libapt-front for me tonight? i will have adept prepared as well, but it may be already fairly late
[09:39] <raphink> Riddell: may I ask if you plan to release this fix ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdesdk/+bug/31782
[09:53] <Tm_T> hmm, Kcalc bugs a bit
[09:54] <Flosoft> hey
[09:55] <Flosoft> anyone who would like to add Kopete with Jingle to Breezy / Dapper?
[09:55] <Flosoft> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20Jabber%20Jingle
[09:56] <Tm_T> Flosoft: cannot be compiled in dapper atm
[09:56] <Tm_T> Flosoft: I tried
[09:57] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kcalc_1.png
[09:57] <Tm_T> hum, small field to numbers, eh?
[09:57] <Flosoft> I just heard ... there is no libjingle in Dapper?
[09:58] <Tm_T> no, libortp is wrong version
[10:01] <Tm_T> I prolly try to do libortp & kopete-jingle packages when Kopete 0.12 is in beta
[10:01] <Tm_T> that is for dapper
[10:02] <mornfall> Riddell: can you please add libqt-perl as a dependency to kubuntu-desktop? it's recommended by adept but i would really prefer to have it installed by default...
[10:04] <mornfall> Riddell: especially since we hide the konsole by default now, which will hav the effect of adept apparently hanging when debconf asks question -- without much clue to the user atm (i have no clue how to implement the auto-display-konsole thing)
[10:04] <mornfall> have*
[10:04] <mornfall> i may do it for beta2 (it can be considered a bugfix)... but i don't give it much chance
[10:15] <mornfall> bah, no freeflying around?
[10:20] <mornfall> Riddell: when you get around, http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/libapt-front_0.3.7.tar.gz
[10:21] <mornfall> adept building now
[10:27] <mornfall> Riddell: and http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/ept_1.90.tar.gz
[10:27] <mornfall> everyone: if someone is volunteering to test compile the above two, it'd be cool :-)
[10:39] <mornfall> --> shower