=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:17] gn [12:17] *asleep* [12:27] anyone seen a bug where the treeview loses all of its text? i've only noticed it in kontact but its happened a few times [12:28] http://bur.st/~lathiat/treeview-textless.png === bobesponja [i=pat@bas75-1-81-57-4-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:37] yep, reported it in bugs.kde.org === jshadow [n=john@CPE-24-211-3-81.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma is now known as toma_ === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tinin [n=tinin@142.Red-83-61-82.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:26] boooh! lot of work round here.. === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@221.172.50.188] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:39] Riddell: poke? === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D0957.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:45] can someone please give overview of support and freeness of individual sections? [10:45] my current guess is: unsupported = universe, contrib, non-free = non-free, restricted, multiverse? [10:50] main = supported free [10:50] restricted = supported non-free [10:50] universe = unsupported free [10:50] multiverse = unsupported non-free [10:50] the exact definition of 'free' im not 100% sure [10:50] prolly FOSS/lgpl [10:51] Tm_T: hmm? :) [10:51] Tm_T: hi [10:51] Tm_T: FOSS has no definition and lgpl is a very small set :-) [10:51] hullo [10:51] Tm_T: will you need ppc'package of kopete-0.12 [10:51] mornfall: I mean lgpl atleast, including gpl [10:52] freeflying: not me [10:52] freeflying: I don't have any ppc hardware [10:52] Tm_T: :) [10:52] Tm_T: there's no linear ordering on licenses either :-) [10:52] mornfall: true [10:53] mornfall: so, hard to define but atleast I tried =) [10:53] heh [10:53] DFSG is good [10:53] i'd say free in ubuntu is no stricter than DFSG (probably more lax) [10:53] heh [10:54] and now, i can't even recall anymore what i changed (and wanted to test) [10:55] *recalls* (after going through today's diff :p) [10:56] kewl [10:57] why's kdegraphics in universe is completely beyond me though [10:57] but so be it [10:59] http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/isntaller-almostbeta.png :-) [11:01] very nice mornfall! [11:02] we shall have a page like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight4 for introducing kubuntu [11:02] nice [11:03] mornfall: nicer than synaptic [11:04] freeflying: it should compare to gnome-app-install not synaptic [11:04] (if someone could get me a bunch of gnome-app-install screenies it'd be nice, since it doesn't run on my dapper :|) [11:07] mornfall: http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/adept.png [11:07] mornfall: adept can hardly run on my system :( [11:09] freeflying: is that still a ppc box? [11:09] mornfall: i386 [11:09] weird [11:09] i'd say retry with beta and then we can try to solve it [11:09] what is the spec of the system? [11:09] (if it's a real i386 i'd not be surprized ;p) [11:10] heh [11:10] so let me install this ubuntu-desktop hog [11:10] so maybe i finally get gnome-app-install to run [11:11] had to grow my chroot partition bah [11:11] hopefully 16G will be enough for some time again [11:11] mornfall: amd sermphon 2200+ +512M RAM + sata HDD [11:12] hmm, don't have an amd... it could be something mutex/thrading related [11:12] my amd mobo has a busted capacitor [11:12] mornfall: anyone it could run before [11:14] new threading code in alpha2 [11:14] and buggy too :-) [11:14] i fixed most (all?) of the issues for beta -- hopefully [11:14] patience, young jedi -- it should be ready today [11:16] ahaahgh... gobject.GError: Icon 'gnome-settings-default-applications' not present in theme [11:17] i can't believe it [11:18] oooh, running gnome-control-center and selecting themes fixed [11:18] mornfall: hmmm === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:27] <-- tired === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:37] one feature to go [11:38] Riddell: ping [11:38] no route to host [11:46] freeflying: hi [11:46] Riddell: shall I upload the new patched qt to REVU [11:46] freeflying: please do [11:47] Riddell: I put patches into one dpatch file [11:48] freeflying: yeah, that's fine [11:49] hey Riddell [11:49] morning mornfall [11:49] mornign Riddell === mornfall points Riddell at http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/installer-almostbeta.png [11:50] mornfall: looks beautiful [11:51] 1 feature to go :] [11:52] I wonder where we should put Adept Installer in the menu === mornfall puts Add/Remove Programs into GenericName [11:59] freeflying: thanks for the deb. uploading atm... [12:00] andred: :) [12:00] andred: have u got the comment in mail [12:00] freeflying: yep, i', gonna change this === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:01] freeflying: is this breezy or dapper? [12:02] andred: dapper [12:02] alright [12:03] ok it's in [12:18] Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1866 === luka74 [n=luka74@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:41] aaah 2.5M ubuntu diff === incinerator [n=incinera@82-41-24-164.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:00] mornfall: hmm === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma_ is now known as toma === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luka74 [n=luka74@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.123.165] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:14] pef: what version of cups does freebsd use? [02:14] Riddell: 1.1.23.0 [02:15] pef: yeah, so the problem is the cups version ubuntu uses, not the socket pointed to as 29638 suggests [02:16] Riddell: I find using a port number on a socket strange :) [02:18] Riddell: how about add skim to kubuntu's install cd [02:20] freeflying: was skim etc being added to language-support? [02:20] not sure if it could be since it's KDE specific [02:21] freeflying: is there a way to have skim installed but not sitting in the system tray of users by default? [02:21] Riddell: pitti has said that scim will be included in ubuntu ,and skim in kubuntu [02:21] Riddell: do not include its desktop file in /usr/share/autostart? [02:22] Riddell: if you don't set the XMODIFIERS ,then skim will not run [02:22] Riddell: Apropos /u/s/a: Would you mind adding OnlyShowIn=KDE; lines to the kde-specific desktop files there? === hunger filed two bugs about those missing. [02:23] hunger: which kde-specific desktop files? what are the bug numbers? [02:23] Riddell: kalarm and kgpg. #31923 and #31924 [02:24] hunger: they aren't kde specific [02:25] Riddell: Well, they shouldn't get started in gnome either. [02:26] oh, autostart [02:26] not /usr/share/applications === DoeRayMe [n=will@ACC87F41.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:32] Riddell: shall we use language-pack-kde setup the IM variable , then skim will not affect other languages user [02:33] Riddell: yes [02:34] freeflying: that's an interesting idea [02:34] we should talk to pitti about that [02:34] Riddell: we are tired of that , for mark need a out-of-the-box dapper for chinese user [02:37] yep [02:38] Riddell: pitti had said that the langpacks can't configure anything , but we wish the language-pack-kde-zh can do shomethings for skim [02:39] We can setting skim when the locale is zh_CN [02:41] and skim can be installed but not sitting in the system tray of users by default ( except nin zh_CN ) === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:44] I think the language-pack-kde-zh may register skim into the im-switch ( a Input method switch framework ) [02:46] It may give us a OOTB dapper for chinese user [02:48] Riddell: after an ethereal session it seems that cups never send back any printer (kprint, gnome-cups-manger), will gill a bug against cups [02:48] language-support-xx should do all that in my opinon [02:48] pef: cups doesn't do network by default in ubuntu [02:48] Riddell: on lo0 :) [02:49] Riddell: seem that we shall persuade pitti to add that [02:49] pef: network is turned off in cups by default [02:51] Riddell: I think that you are the right one to persuade pitti :) [02:52] yes, I'll give it a shot [02:53] Riddell: there're 2 chinese Input method , and we wish Kubuntu may use skim ( KDE version ), and Ubuntu may use scim . so we wish use language-pack-kde-zh , but no language-support-zh [02:53] Riddell: thanks [02:53] well language-support-zh includes spell checking dicionaries and the like you'll always want it [02:54] right [03:01] Riddell: mmm no, on a fresh flight4 install, I run ethereal on lo, the go to system settings -> print, and I got lo traffic (ipp) [03:01] using cups as print manager [03:02] probably KDE is searching for it [03:02] does it working changing the cups socket to localhost? [03:03] Riddell: no, I have "unknonwn ipp resquest " or something like this [03:03] Riddell: Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: the IPP request failed for an unknown reason. [03:04] so even if cups does listen on localhost (and I'm pretty sure it doesn't) that doesn't solve the problem [03:04] Riddell: there is a dialog between cups on kde on lo, I can see answers from cups saying no default printer [03:04] well maybe I'm wrong [03:04] but it's got nothing to do with the cups bug :) [03:06] Riddell: on ubuntu cups sends a "No destinations added" error, on FreeBSD no [03:08] well ubuntu uses cups pre-1.2 , freebsd cups 1.1 [03:13] Riddell: have you reviewed th qt package on REVU [03:15] freeflying: not yet === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:26] hmm, any ideas why wine gets killed everytime I try to start start it? [03:26] receives SIGKILL and dies.. :P [03:27] \sh_away is your wine man [03:27] ah, oookay [03:30] ha-hum [03:30] teprrr: already reported, check launchpad :) [03:31] launchpad -- just when i thought bugzilla was the worst piece of software around :| === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:34] mornfall: if you have specific problems with malone I can pass them on and get them prioritised [03:35] Riddell: it may be my ignorance -- but how can i save searches? and format them in a table? the default bug list is ultra-cluttered [03:36] looking up anything in the list is pain [03:36] or sort bugs by some criteria (other than bug number) === mornfall finds sorting [03:38] it doesn't seem to show severity nor priority in the default list? [03:39] changing bugs requires extra clicking [03:39] (it took me day to figure how to change a bug) [03:40] pef, hmm. what should I search for from launchpad? wine gives me nothing useful [03:41] teprrr: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/30962 [03:42] the publishing history is rendered all over the right sidebar [03:42] pef, ah. thanks. :p [03:42] :) [03:42] all in all [03:43] is there a way to have malone bugs automatically forwarded to kde bugzilla upon filing? [03:43] i guess i won't ever get people to file bugs directly in b.k.o [03:45] mornfall: no, I've suggested this but the trouble says the malone dude is checking for duplicates === mornfall cries [03:48] why is there no version info in the bug metadata? === jshadow [n=john@CPE-24-211-3-81.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:51] because the bug reporter is never asked, which i think is bad [03:52] so i have to ask every time separately, wee [03:53] some people figure by themselves to include version in the bug description [03:54] but some pull down menus for distro and arch wouldn't do any harm [03:54] what is the "request fix upstream" thing for? [03:54] i can't seem to figure what good it is [03:54] it added a line to Fix Requested In [03:55] its a problem upstream not in kubuntu packaging [03:55] so it's just for marking bugs? [03:58] yeah, pretty confusing imho [03:58] you can make it watch a bug in bugs.kde.org (or other major bug trackers) [03:58] ah how? [03:58] can i make it *file* a bug in b.k.o? [03:58] request fix upstream i think [03:58] Riddell: i just tried that... it presented me with a line edit "select product" [03:58] mornfall: no, I've asked for that but they wouldn't be easily able to check for duplicates [03:59] Riddell: and a link "choose product" [03:59] Riddell: so i click choose product [03:59] Riddell: i get new window with same lineedit [03:59] so i type adept there [03:59] I haven't done it in a while though [03:59] after some more clicking [03:59] i managed to complete the process [03:59] net result: new line in "fix requested in" [03:59] nothing else happened [04:00] i don't give a damn about dupes, i can close them myself [04:00] like i always did [04:00] mornfall: when can I use adept ? hmmm [04:01] so current situation: malone is nearly useless and i have to manually copy all bugs if i want to track them in b.k.o [04:01] neato [04:01] freeflying: when i get around to implementing this last one feature and make tarballs [04:02] ah, it's "Link to Other Bug Tracker" [04:02] on the side, different from request uptream [04:03] request upstream must be for programs that use launchpad as a bug tracker [04:03] i found it [04:03] aha [04:03] never === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-48-104.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-004-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luka74 [n=luka74@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-48-104.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:07] anybody with success in installing Kubuntu Flight 4 (from scratch)? [06:07] see: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+bug/31974 === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Flight 4 out || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu || Join: http://www.last.fm/group/Kubuntu+Developers/ || Kubuntu meeting on #ubuntu-meeting on Wed, Feb 22nd 2006 - 20:00 UTC -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings -- be there! === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-004-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F6DE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Lmnar"] === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-48-104.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-48-104.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:52] <_Sime> Riddell: are planning on using xsettings-kde to keep GTK apps (roughly) in sync with KDE's settings? [08:55] <_Sime> Riddell: "are you"... is what I meant to say. [09:26] ping luka74 === incinerator [n=incinera@82-41-24-164.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:34] Riddell: can you upload libapt-front for me tonight? i will have adept prepared as well, but it may be already fairly late === mornfall waiting for debuild [09:39] Riddell: may I ask if you plan to release this fix ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdesdk/+bug/31782 [09:53] hmm, Kcalc bugs a bit === Flosoft [n=admin@213.219.151.223.adslpower.by.edpnet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:54] hey [09:55] anyone who would like to add Kopete with Jingle to Breezy / Dapper? [09:55] http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20Jabber%20Jingle [09:56] Flosoft: cannot be compiled in dapper atm [09:56] Flosoft: I tried [09:57] http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kcalc_1.png [09:57] hum, small field to numbers, eh? [09:57] I just heard ... there is no libjingle in Dapper? [09:58] no, libortp is wrong version [10:01] I prolly try to do libortp & kopete-jingle packages when Kopete 0.12 is in beta [10:01] that is for dapper [10:02] Riddell: can you please add libqt-perl as a dependency to kubuntu-desktop? it's recommended by adept but i would really prefer to have it installed by default... [10:04] Riddell: especially since we hide the konsole by default now, which will hav the effect of adept apparently hanging when debconf asks question -- without much clue to the user atm (i have no clue how to implement the auto-display-konsole thing) [10:04] have* [10:04] i may do it for beta2 (it can be considered a bugfix)... but i don't give it much chance [10:15] bah, no freeflying around? [10:20] Riddell: when you get around, http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/libapt-front_0.3.7.tar.gz [10:21] adept building now [10:27] Riddell: and http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/ept_1.90.tar.gz [10:27] everyone: if someone is volunteering to test compile the above two, it'd be cool :-) === hunger [n=tobias@p54A60F4C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:39] --> shower === Flosoft [n=admin@213.219.151.223.adslpower.by.edpnet.be] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === jshadow [n=john@CPE-24-211-3-81.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lathiat [i=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #kubuntu-devel