[12:04] <LaserJock> bmonty: done, that feels really wierd
[12:07] <bmonty> LaserJock: thanks...what is wierd about it?
[12:07] <LaserJock> bmonty: I'm not a "MOTU" yet ;-)
[12:08] <bmonty> :)
[12:11] <hub> tseng: the problem with that change for bug 31550 is that mjg59 does not really agree....
[12:11] <Ubugtu> malone bug 31550 in compiz "compiz package violate package policy" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31550
[12:12] <tseng> hub: eh, "Feel free to apply and upload :)"
[12:13] <tseng> hub: doesnt agree that much
[12:13] <tseng> *disagree
[12:13] <hub> okay
[12:15] <LaserJock> yeah, it sounded more to me that he didn't want to bother with it but you were free to do it
[12:15] <hub> tseng: do you know how in an .install specify all but one file in a specific directory...
[12:15] <hub> LaserJock: yeah. I just wanted to make sure
[12:15] <tseng> hub: you cant
[12:15] <hub> :-/
[12:16] <tseng> hub: you could rm it in rules before dh_install
[12:16] <fbond> dolson: here?
[12:16] <dolson> fbond: always
[12:16] <fbond> linuxsampler downloads don't seem to up, and haven't been the last several times I've checked
[12:16] <tseng> hub: or mv to the dir of another binary
[12:16] <fbond> do you have the source downloaded somewhere?
[12:17] <hub> tseng: yeah.
[12:17] <dolson> fbond: no.. I was talking to someone about it and they said to use CVS.. but uh, I think it's lame to have broken download links. I can have a look, because I thought I saw them all somewhere else though
[12:18] <fbond> i'll just do a CVS export, no biggie....
[12:18] <fbond> but, any idea how stable CVS is right now?
[12:18] <bmonty> brb
[12:18] <dolson> fbond: no idea.. looks like DeMuDi has linuxsampler in it, so you could just port it over from there, probably would save a lot of work
[12:20] <fbond> dolson: right
[12:29] <Mithrandir> hmm, how's the UVF exception for libgmime/beagle going?
[12:30] <fbond> siretart, has DSSI been synced yet?
[12:43] <bmonty> udev creates /dev/dsp at bootup, right?
[12:48] <fbond> dolson: linuxsampler stuff is all Debian-native
[12:48] <fbond> :)
[12:49] <fbond> cvs exports debian/ dir
[12:49] <dolson> cool!
[12:49] <dolson> so you're doing the CVS then?
[12:49] <fbond> yes, i was having trouble locating any demudi sources
[12:49] <fbond> looks as though demudi currently only has binary packages available
[12:49] <dolson> yeah, I couldn't find them either... pretty strange
[12:51] <dolson> fbond: did you check through Debian too this time? :)
[12:55] <fbond> yes
[12:55] <fbond> there is an ITP for qsampler from 2004
[12:55] <fbond> but nothing mentioned about the other three packages that are crucial to linuxsampler
[12:55] <fbond> looks safe
[12:56] <dolson> liblscp is in ubuntu... is that something linuxsampler relies on?
[12:58] <dolson> fbond: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/l/linuxsampler/
[01:01] <fbond> hm
[01:02] <Psi-Jack> Oh geez. ClamAV really gives a flying fit when it's one .01 revision old. :/
[01:03] <fbond> dolson: yes, linuxsampler includes libgig and liblscp, both in dapper already
[01:03] <fbond> i wonder why those are there but not linuxsampler, qsampler?
[01:03] <dolson> fbond: not sure.. I noticed both of those before though.. so do we just need linuxsampler and qsampler and then we're good to go?
[01:04] <marcin`> could someone tell me why dpkg says "Not replacing deleted config file ....."?
[01:04] <marcin`> what can I do with this crappy error?
[01:04] <fbond> looks that way
[01:04] <marcin`> I've been trying dpkg -i --force-confmiss but no result
[01:04] <Psi-Jack> Just out of curiosity, is ClamAV 0.88 going to be security-backported for breezy at all?
[01:05] <dolson> fbond: I can do qsampler if you wanna do linuxsampler? or the other way around
[01:05] <toma> no
[01:05] <toma> err
[01:06] <fbond> dolson: it won't take long to just whip them both up, since all the debian stuff is already there
[01:06] <fbond> i'll take care of it
[01:06] <dolson> fbond: well I can if you wanna do something more complex
[01:06] <dolson> oh ok
[01:06] <fbond> the only other thing i feel motivated to do is dssi-vst
[01:06] <fbond> then i'll be satisfied, fornow
[01:06] <dolson> I was considering om and omins
[01:06] <fbond> oh, right
[01:06] <dolson> is it hard to do libs?
[01:07] <fbond> not really harder than anything else, i don't think
[01:07] <dolson> fbond: have you seen this? http://www.ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Important_Audio_Software
[01:09] <fbond> interesting
[01:09] <fbond> how's dapper looking then?
[01:10] <fbond> dolson: when doing libraries, you usually split the package into two: libmylib and libmylib-dev
[01:10] <dolson> fbond: I'm running the report right now.. it doesn't pick up what we've put into revu, obviously
[01:10] <fbond> right
[01:12] <dolson> fbond: debian is missing 22 pkgs from the list, dapper is missing 28, all 6 of the ones debian has that dapper does not have been sync requested by you or I. compared to breezy, we're only 6 packages ahead, but with revu, that should put dapper way ahead
[01:17] <fbond> dolson: nice
[01:18] <dolson> fbond: yeah, and if the PAM patches actually do make it into dapper, we've won half (or a quarter at least) of the battle of user-friendliness
[01:19] <fbond> good
[01:22] <sladen> toma, BearPerson ?
[01:22] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, why is it in Kgpg, when I add a new userid to my key, it.. Sets the new userid as the default, rather than keeping the original identity as it is?
[01:24] <LaserJock> dolson: looks like alsa-tools should be in dapper soon, it's currently waiting in NEW. You might want to take it off the WorkInProgress wiki page so somebody doesn't request it again.
[01:24] <dolson> LaserJock: off the sync request page? sure
[01:25] <LaserJock> dolson: actually I moved the sync requests to w.u.c/MOTU/WorkInProgress
[01:25] <dolson> LaserJock: that includes alsa-tools-gui, correct? and is there a link where I can see NEW?
[01:25] <LaserJock> dolson: yes, and I dont think so
[01:25] <dolson> k
[01:25] <dolson> thanks
[01:26] <dolson> maybe the old page should be deleted
[01:26] <LaserJock> dolson: yeah, I'm going to redirect it to WorkInProgress for now
[01:34] <dolson> fbond|away: fyi, I'm doing gmorgan now
[01:38] <LaserJock> hub: ping?
[01:38] <hub> pong
[01:39] <LaserJock> Seveas just said on -devel that he was uploading a compiz that splits kde and gnome
[01:39] <LaserJock> hi arnieboy
[01:40] <hub> seveas know I was working on that
[01:40] <arnieboy> hey LaserJock
[01:40] <hub> :-/
[01:41] <Seveas> hub, I already started working on it before I spoke to you about it and thought it would be a waste of time not to finish it
[01:41] <hub> okay
[01:41] <hub> I filed the bug with the intent to fix it
[01:41] <Seveas> let's compare patches 
[01:41] <hub> just that this week I was so jetlagged back that I didn't have time to work in the evening
[01:41] <hub> okay
[01:42] <hub> I have 5 binary pkg
[01:42] <Seveas> I only have 3, mjg59 had specific objections against a -devel package
[01:42] <hub> yeah
[01:42] <hub> and I just follow the policy
[01:43] <hub> as for the 5 is to make compiz a meta package
[01:43] <hub> because otherwise it does not upgrade seemlessly
[01:43] <Seveas> btw: I fixed nothing but the splitting - patches to remove CVS (and to correct the clean target) are still needed
[01:43] <hub> I didn't do that either
[01:43] <Seveas> it's dapper, seamless is not a requirement ;)
[01:44] <hub> which version are you at?
[01:44] <hub> because -5 is not right
[01:44] <hub> neither is -4
[01:44] <hub> I bumped to -4ubuntu1
[01:44] <Seveas> i'm at -5
[01:44] <hub> since it is not in debian, it is wrong
[01:44] <hub> IMHO
[01:44] <Seveas> but I hope that when he switches to 0.0.3 it'll be 0.0.3-0ubuntu1
[01:57] <hub> Seveas: your pacakge will have compiz/libgconf.so in both -gnome and compiz
[01:57] <Seveas> no
[01:57] <Seveas> look at evil hack in debian/rules
[01:57] <Seveas> right below dh_install
[02:00] <LaserJock> wb minghua
[02:01] <minghua> hello LaserJock
[02:02] <hub> Seveas: good catch
[02:02] <hub> what is that "ls -R debian/tmp -a" doing?
[02:02] <Seveas> ehm
[02:03] <Seveas> being nonsense
[02:03] <Seveas> was a debugging thing, forgot to remove
[02:09] <hub> Seveas: do you need someone to upload the package?
[02:09] <Seveas> I'm neither MOTU nor devel, so someone else should upload it (and change the changelog)
[02:11] <hub> Seveas: ok
[02:11] <hub> I'll do it then
[02:13] <crimsun> dolson: I haven't
[02:13] <hub> Seveas: with a few adjustements like the version
[02:19] <hub> Seveas: I still don't understand what the ls -R is about
[02:19] <hub> Seveas: in the rules
[02:19] <Seveas> hub you should remove it
[02:19] <hub> that's what I thought
[02:19] <hub> I will
[02:19] <Seveas> it was something I used for debugging and forgot to remove
[02:20] <hub> and why these -a ?
[02:21] <Seveas> standard practice for multi-binary sources, useful if you ever want to include an arch-independent one
[02:21] <hub> ah right
[03:08] <hub> ghawd
[03:09] <hub> the compiz the diff is bigger than the orig.tar.gz
[03:09] <hub> wtf?
[03:10] <marcin`> is there any 'sed' guru here?
[03:11] <marcin`> I have to change something in my package config file...
[03:11] <LaserJock> hub: holy cow, it looks like it is over twice the size.
[03:11] <hub> LaserJock: yeah
[03:12] <hub> I upload that fix, I'll see how I can reduce it.
[03:12] <hub> looks like we have to run autogen :-/
[03:20] <dolson> siretart: ping
[03:35] <dolson> wtf. all of these LADSPA plugins don't have anything for the copyright in their debian/copyright files :\
[03:50] <bmonty> LaserJock: on your sync requests, are those waiting for an MOTU to pass to elmo or are you asking him yourself?
[03:51] <LaserJock> bmonty: waiting for a MOTU
[03:52] <Kyral> oh, that reminds me, could someone sync EasyChem (if not already)
[03:54] <LaserJock> hmm, I thought I told somebody about that but I can't really remember. Darn my stupid Alzheimers
[03:54] <Kyral> LJ don't joke about that, my Grandpa died of Alzheimers
[03:54] <crimsun> I'm pretty sure I asked for a sync of easychem
[03:54] <Kyral> I dunno
[03:54] <crimsun> (sometimes it takes elmo a while)
[03:55] <Kyral> I've had like 2^64 things flying around
[03:55] <LaserJock> Kyral: I'm not joking so much. I lost a few great grandparents to it. I do feel as if it is creeping up on me sometimes.
[03:55] <Kyral> ah
[03:55] <crimsun> that's just the price of being a grad student.
[03:55] <Kyral> me?
[03:55] <LaserJock> true
[03:55] <Kyral> I'm no grad student
[03:55] <crimsun> I can't do simple arithmetic
[03:56] <LaserJock> I have to get my TI out for that
[03:56] <Kyral> My Math Professor made a reference to LISP the other day and I was the only one who understood it
[03:56] <Kyral> I pull out the Python Shell :D
[03:56] <bmonty> LaserJock: the TI-85 is my favorite :)
[03:57] <Kyral> ...
[03:57] <LaserJock> Grad school has given me serious organizational, memory, and focus problems :(
[03:57] <Kyral> Walking away now
[03:57] <Kyral> You are discussing preferred Calculator Models
[03:57] <crimsun> Kyral: regarding anime [in -devel] : are you using mplayer?
[03:57] <LaserJock> bmonty: ohh, my wife has got an 85. I just bought a 84+ Silver edition
[03:57] <Kyral> crimsun: no
[03:57] <Kyral> I use Xine or VLC
[03:57] <Kyral> Xine will play under Xgl, but the framerate is horrible
[03:58] <LaserJock> bmonty: I have a TI 92+ that I used on my cume exams ;-)
[03:58] <crimsun> if you use Xgl+compiz, I think you want to use the x11 video output
[03:58] <Kyral> I think I did
[03:58] <Kyral> but its no biggy for me to switch back and forth
[03:58] <Kyral> I really only keep Xgl around to impress my friends :D
[03:58] <crimsun> with mplayer, I have to use -vo x11 -ao sdl -vfm=ffmpeg -lavdopts=lowres=1:fast:skiploopfilter=all
[03:59] <Kyral> Normally my Eyecandy of choice is Cairo + XCompmgr + Transset
[03:59] <LaserJock> Kyral: I'm pretty console bound so I try to impress my friends with screen, and syntax highlighting ;-)
[03:59] <bmonty> LaserJock: not sure if you can buy the 85 any more, but I've had mine for about 10 years
[03:59] <bmonty> the only person I have to show is my wife, and she doesn't care :(
[04:00] <crimsun> yeah, the 86 supercedes the 85
[04:00] <LaserJock> bmonty: no, you can't. I think only 86's
[04:00] <Kyral> at least you have a wife ;P
[04:00] <crimsun> you have Ubuntu, Chris, that's a wife in and of itself
[04:00] <bmonty> lol
[04:01] <LaserJock> bmonty: yeah, I know the feeling. I tried to show my wife a brand new shinny Ubuntu iso when Breezy came out. She wasn't very impressed
[04:01] <bmonty> I think the last time I mentioned Ubuntu to her I got a bunch of honey-dos to take care of
[04:01] <LaserJock> crimsun: more like wife + in-laws
[04:01] <crimsun> hehe, true
[04:02] <bmonty> does syncing a package from unstable that doesn't exist in universe require a UVF exception?
[04:02] <Kyral> Is it a new Upstream version?
[04:02] <LaserJock> bmonty: no, we have until Feature Freeze
[04:03] <bmonty> Kyral: it is as far as ubuntu is concerned
[04:03] <crimsun> which is in 5 days
[04:03] <bmonty> LaserJock: ah, ok that makes sense
[04:03] <Kyral> ....shit
[04:03] <Kyral> Damnit I have like 2 packages to push through REVU
[04:03] <LaserJock> Kyral: hurry up, time for some all-nighters ;-)
[04:03] <Kyral> When is the Documentation Freeze?
[04:03] <LaserJock> ~ March 23rd I think
[04:04] <Kyral> Whew
[04:04] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:04] <Kyral> so I have time to get that thing written
[04:04] <LaserJock> I've got a whole lot of Packaging Guide to do before then.
[04:04] <Kyral> LJ I'll help you
[04:04] <Kyral> It should get me SVN Access
[04:05] <Kyral> If I get my homework done tomorrow during my lab hours I'll make some mods
[04:05] <LaserJock> lol, maybe you'll get it for dapper+1, that goes through elmo as well ;-)
[04:05] <Kyral> Eh elmo is cool
[04:06] <LaserJock> elmo is very cool, but also incredibly overworked, I think
[04:06] <Kyral> Yah no kiddin...
[04:08] <LaserJock> anybody know how the deadlines work as far as when the cutoff is. If we make a request by FF or UVF for example does that mean it gets in? or is it just what gets in before the dealine is in?
[04:09] <LaserJock> if that makes any sense
[04:09] <crimsun> the former, though for FF it's closer to the latter
[04:10] <crimsun> many of my UVF sync requests weren't processed until post-UVF
[04:10] <crimsun> looks like I have some legwork on REVU this weekend :)
[04:11] <LaserJock> hmm, I had at least one merge that didn't get through UVF but I'm just seeing how long it is currently taking stuff to get out of NEW and I'm somewhat worried about that.
[04:18] <LaserJock> boy, I'm looking forward to dapper+1
[04:18] <bmonty> can someone please tell me what group and permissions you have on /dev/dsp?
[04:19] <crimsun> should be root:audio
[04:19] <crimsun> (660)
[04:20] <bmonty> crimsun: thats what I thought, I think udev is having issues with my ldap setup :(
[04:20] <bmonty> I get root:root
[04:21] <crimsun> ah, sounds like it's not hitting line 60 of /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules
[04:23] <bmonty> crimsun: this is on breezy, I haven't converted my laptop yet (and I don't think I will)
[04:23] <crimsun> ah
[04:23] <bmonty> I think it is because ldap isn't available when udev sets the permissions and it can't look up the audio group
[04:25] <minghua> speaking of UVF, if one of my request gets approved, does that mean I still need to ask for the sync explicitly?
[04:25] <crimsun> minghua: no, it will just happen
[04:26] <minghua> crimsun: great, thanks
[04:26] <crimsun> lagtime between approval and actual sync is undefined :)
[04:35] <bmonty> LaserJock: for biococoa.app, debian has updated the build-deps in their package?
[04:36] <LaserJock> bmonty: just a sec, let me look
[04:38] <LaserJock> bmonty: apparently it was a rebuild + some changes to man page + bump standards version
[04:39] <minghua> didn't gnustep go through a layout change in debian recently?
[04:43] <LaserJock> bmonty: http://pastebin.com/562187 is the diff between the Debian and Dapper versions if you care
[04:43] <bmonty> LaserJock: I already downloaded the debian package, but thanks
[04:48] <LaserJock> bmonty: thanks for the requests.
[04:48] <bmonty> no problem
[04:55] <bmonty> damn, udev does not play nice with ldap :(
[05:00] <bmonty> what is that package that adds a terminal to the right-click menu on the desktop?
[05:03] <minghua> bmonty: in gnome it's nautilus-open-terminal, I believe
[05:03] <bmonty> minghua: thanks
[05:04] <bmonty> brb
[05:17] <monzie> hi all
[05:19] <LaserJock> hi again monzie
[05:23] <bmonty> anyone know if I can specify group numbers to udev?
[05:26] <monzie> hi Lasq
[05:26] <monzie> Hi LaserJock
[05:51] <hub> the 3 lexmark upload on REVU should be nuked IMHO
[05:51] <hub> see my comment in them
[05:54] <zakame> afternoon MOTUs and MOTU-hopefuls :D
[05:54] <bmonty> hi zakame
[05:54] <dolson> hi zakame
[05:55] <LaserJock> hi zakame
[05:56] <zakame> heya bmonty dolson LaserJock :-)
[05:56] <dolson> zakame: I will have another pkg up in a few minutes :)
[05:56] <minghua> hub: agreed
[05:57] <zakame> dolson: rock on! :-)
[05:57] <zakame> I'm doing an update now, the Packages file just get to have the right md5sum last night :/
[05:59] <dolson> zakame: which package? and my new one is uploaded :D
[06:01] <zakame> dolson: both then and now I suppose ;)
[06:02] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[06:03] <Psi-Jack> hub: License issues?
[06:03] <hub> Psi-Jack: yeah.
[06:03] <hub> Psi-Jack: read my comments
[06:03] <Psi-Jack> Where? heh
[06:04] <dolson> on REVU
[06:04] <hub> Psi-Jack: it is in the debian/copyright
[06:04] <hub> Psi-Jack: on REVU
[06:04] <hub> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1852
[06:04] <hub> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1851
[06:04] <Psi-Jack> I know how to package debian -style packages, and upload them with dput. heh
[06:04] <hub> 'http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1853'
[06:05] <zakame> is it just me, or is gb.archive.u.c very slow this moment?
[06:05] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. After re-reading the license, myself, I figured that might happen. :/   I'm just waiting for word back from Lexmark about making it redistributable.
[06:05] <hub> Psi-Jack: good luck
[06:06] <Psi-Jack> hub: I promise, I will push some buttons. Get them to realize if they don't offer to allow it to be redistributable, they will only kill their sales.
[06:06] <hub> Psi-Jack: good luck
[06:06] <hub> Psi-Jack: I woudln't hold my breath
[06:07] <hub> Psi-Jack: but if you succeed, great
[06:07] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. :)
[06:07] <hub> ideally it would be opensourcing the code
[06:07] <Psi-Jack> I'm all giddy for thwapping some sense. :)
[06:07] <Psi-Jack> I'll even go as far as calling corporate head offices. ;}
[06:08] <hub> Psi-Jack: you could blog about that
[06:08] <hub> :-)
[06:08] <Psi-Jack> hub: How about I record the phone conversations?
[06:08] <Psi-Jack> Since my phone is Skype, that's an easy switch to flip on. ;}
[06:08] <hub> Psi-Jack: don't know
[06:09] <hub> can someone review this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1279
[06:09] <Psi-Jack> Heh, If it gets that far, I'll probably do it. Record it that is. And rebroadcast it all over the world, to show how close-minded Lexmark is, IF it gets to that point. ;}
[06:10] <hub> Psi-Jack: better write
[06:11] <Psi-Jack> hub: It's actually perfectly legal. If I needed to use the said recording in a courtroom, however, they would have to know, prior to the recording, that it was being recorded. Otherwise.. it's quite fine. :}
[06:11] <Psi-Jack> But, Different topic.
[06:12] <hub> i'm not talking legality
[06:12] <Psi-Jack> I'm guessing, by looking at the dependancy of php5 stuff requiring apache2-mpm-prefork, that it's not compiled with thread-safety? :(
[06:13] <zakame> hub: distribution: dapper, not breezy :)
[06:13] <hub> zakame: uho. probably too old
[06:14] <hub> zakame: I'll change that
[06:14] <zakame> hub: you can probably remove ${misc:Depends} too if its not used
[06:14] <zakame> hub: better check if there's a new version too :-)
[06:15] <hub> I don't think there is
[06:15] <zakame> cool
[06:15] <hub> it is quite old
[06:15] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. Curious. What's the meta-package for sucking in all the basic build dependancies?
[06:15] <hub> Psi-Jack: build-essential
[06:16] <Psi-Jack> Technically, I could rebuild php5, and companion modules, to be linked against apache2-mpm-worker, instead of prefork, could I not?
[06:23] <hub> I have a source that is mode 600 in the tarball. shall I remake the tarball?
[06:24] <zakame> ah so that's why I couldn't open that dir via REVU
[06:24] <hub> zakame: which dir?
[06:26] <zakame> source from your last REVU link
[06:29] <hub> right
[06:29] <hub> I didn't even realize
[06:30] <zakame> well I thought it was another revu catch
[06:56] <dolson> has anyone had any email from REVU since 1pm eastern on Saturday?
[06:58] <zakame> last REVU/motureviewers mail I got was 2am PHT
[06:58] <dolson> 11 hours ago
[06:59] <hub> haven't gotten either
[07:25] <bmonty> good night everyone
[07:26] <LaserJock> hmm, what would be the simplest patch system to use for just 1 or 2 patches?
[07:26] <Lathiat> dpatch ?
[07:27] <Lathiat> or if it uses cdbs, cdbs'
[07:27] <Lathiat> simple-patch-systsem
[07:27] <zakame> hi psusi
[07:27] <LaserJock> Lathiat: thanks
[07:27] <psusi> hiya
[07:27] <psusi> LaserJock, I like dpatch
[07:28] <LaserJock> I do too
[07:28] <dolson> anyone who knows what they are doing, how would I build a package with pbuilder that relies on a dev lib not [yet]  in dapper? I can do it all outside of pbuilder, but I'd rather test in pbuilder, personally
[07:28] <psusi> dolson, add the package to the pbuilder package cache directory
[07:28] <LaserJock> dolson: I've done that before by creating a local apt repo and adding it to the OTHERMIRRORS in pbuilderrc
[07:28] <dolson> psusi: wow, if that works, it's too simple :)
[07:29] <LaserJock> psusi: that works? I made it much more complicated then
[07:29] <psusi> LaserJock, I think that's how I did it... either that or logged into the pbuilder and manually installed it via a bind mount ;)
[07:30] <LaserJock> I wanted to make a personal repo anyway so that worked well for me
[07:30] <zakame> simple-patchsys just works, although I've seen some snags
[07:30] <LaserJock> zakame: can you use it without cdbs?
[07:30] <zakame> (but additional rules in `clean' typically fix that)
[07:31] <hub> LaserJock: I use simple-patch
[07:31] <hub> it is simple
[07:31] <hub> dpatch I find it overkill
[07:31] <zakame> LaserJock: its in cdbs, I don't know yet of a cdbs-independent analogue (except dpatch and quilt)
[07:32] <psusi> anyone understand git?  I'm reading about it and it sounds like it saves a full copy of every version of a given file, rathern than the diffs between them like svn
[07:32] <zakame> LaserJock: but come to think of it, implementing that w/o cdbs is trivial, just make some patch/unpatch rules with the right `patch` commands
[07:32] <zakame> then call those targets
[07:33] <psusi> I was working on a package the other day like that
[07:33] <psusi> had a custom patch/unpatch rule that called patch on debian/patch-*.diff
[07:33] <psusi> and had patch-1-foo.diff, patch-2-bar.diff, etc
[07:34] <LaserJock> I have a package that I took over that doesn't use and patch system, just used the .diff.gz and I would rather use some sore of patch system
[07:34] <LaserJock> or at least keep everything in debian/
[07:35] <zakame> dpatch-convert-diffgz does some wonders
[07:36] <LaserJock> cool
[07:39] <zakame> ooh flight4's releasing shortly
[07:40] <LaserJock> yeah, Kamion said something about it a few hours ago on -devel
[07:42] <LaserJock> alright, bed time. cya everybody!
[07:43] <zakame> gn8 LaserJock
[08:24] <zakame> gaah 493 MB of update to latest Dapper, gaah
[08:58] <monzie> join #ebuntu
[08:59] <monzie> hi all
[08:59] <monzie> is there any need for a WYSIWYG wiki editor in Ubuntu?
[09:00] <KillerKiwi2005> yes
[09:00] <dolson> psusi: doesn't appear to work, heh
[09:00] <dolson> KillerKiwi2005: when I first saw your nick, I thought it said "KillerWiki2005" and I was like, boy, he's biased
[09:00] <KillerKiwi2005> monzie: I have a buntu box at work running ifolder etc, boss wont use a wiki unless its WYSIWYG
[09:01] <KillerKiwi2005> dolson: ;_
[09:31] <dolson> can I have more than one OTHERMIRROR in the pbuilderrc?
[09:34] <dolson> hmm, I think I can, nm
[09:44] <dolson> grrr
[10:19] <mae> hi!
[10:19] <mae> i have a bug to report but i am unsure how to use malone
[10:19] <mae> can someone walk me through it?
[10:20] <Lathiat> mae: sure, what is the bug you are tryign to file?
[10:20] <mae> its the latest kernel build on dapper
[10:20] <mae> 2.6.15-15
[10:20] <Lathiat> ok so what you want to do is goto launchpad.net
[10:21] <mae> sbcl gets a mmap error i tried 386/686/k7 versions
[10:21] <Lathiat> sbcl?
[10:21] <mae> 2.6.15-14 and 2.15.15-12 both work fine with sbcl
[10:21] <mae> steelbank common lisp
[10:21] <mae> i also tried several versions of sbcl
[10:21] <mae> the one in apt, and i compiled the latest
[10:21] <mae> its definitely something to do with the kernel
[10:22] <Lathiat> whats the symptoms?
[10:22] <Lathiat> its possible, there were a couple other bugs due to the memory split
[10:22] <Lathiat> that broke wine and stuff
[10:22] <mae> ah ic
[10:22] <Lathiat> tho i wouldnt have thought that applied here
[10:22] <Lathiat> and that was fixed in -15 iirc
[10:22] <mae> well basically would give a mmap error
[10:22] <mae> about not being able to allocate at 0x7000
[10:22] <mae> and i had 175mb physical ram free and 2gb swap
[10:23] <Lathiat> ah
[10:23] <Lathiat> mae: can you please try with the new kernel
[10:23] <Lathiat> -16
[10:23] <mae> err k
[10:23] <Lathiat> that change i mentioned was fixed in -16
[10:23] <Lathiat> no idea if thats whats wrong here but worth a try
[10:23] <mae> build 16 or kernel major version 16?
[10:23] <mae> err minor version rather
[10:24] <Lathiat> build 16
[10:24] <Lathiat> 2.6.15-16
[10:24] <mae> i'm not seeing it in apt
[10:24] <mae> oh wait i'm using a mirror
[10:24] <mae> when was that propagated?
[10:24] <Toadstool> hi MOTUs
[10:25] <Lathiat> it was uploaded today
[10:25] <Lathiat> may not be in yet
[10:26] <mae> ah whats the master mirror again
[10:26] <Lathiat> archive.ubuntu.com
[10:27] <mae> hmm its down for me
[10:29] <Toadstool> hum... how much time does it take for a package to get out of NEW ?
[10:32] <mae> nah its not in yet
[10:33] <mae> ok so should i wait for 16 to see if that fixes it?
[11:54] <siretart> dolson: pong
[11:54] <siretart> morning
[11:54] <dolson> hey siretart
[11:55] <dolson> I can't remember why I was pinging you...
[11:55] <dolson> maybe it was because I haven't been getting email from revu updates for many hours
[11:55] <dolson> OH, I remember something I was going to ask
[11:55] <siretart> was it about jack or dssi?
[11:56] <dolson> my package, qamix, I had a typo, but it was already uploaded I think? so I fixed the typo and uploaded it to revu again... but should I have made it 0ubuntu2 just for the typo? If so, I have to fix it and re-upload
[11:56] <siretart> when something is being synced, it is announced on the dapper-changes mailing list
[11:57] <siretart> dolson: no, please don't change version numbers for upload to revu. always use the version number you target for uploading to ubuntu
[11:57] <siretart> revu doesn't care at all about version numbers. it records the time of uploads
[11:57] <dolson> ok, what I mean is that I think it was already uploaded... like, two people approved it
[11:57] <siretart> hm. debian has azureus in contrib... interesting..
[11:57] <dolson> it shows up on my launchpad package list
[11:58] <siretart> dolson: which package was it? qamix?
[11:58] <dolson> I'm sorry if I am not using the terminology properly.. it's new to me. I know how it works, but not the lingo. yeah, qamix
[11:58] <crimsun> it hasn't passed NEW.
[11:58] <crimsun> (getting 2 advocate votes doesn't automatically imply the package is uploaded)
[11:59] <dolson> ok, but I thought it was moved to archived
[11:59] <dolson> cuz why would it show up on my launchpad, but none of the other 12 or 13 I have done
[11:59] <siretart> this is a manual process as well
[11:59] <siretart> crimsun: did you get to look at wpasupplicant svn? Kyle seems to be quite busy with uploading
[12:00] <dolson> https://launchpad.net/people/adolson/+packages
[12:00] <crimsun> siretart: I can look in five minutes.
[12:01] <crimsun> these all-nighters are grueling
[12:02] <siretart> crimsun: yeah.
[12:03] <siretart> dolson: every upload which introduces new packages (or on initial upload) don't go directly to the archive, but must be reviewed manually. this is what we call the NEW queue
[12:03] <siretart> dolson: this is a manual process and usually done once a week in ubuntu.
[12:04] <dolson> siretart: ok, so then qamix is in NEW right now, hence why it shows on my packages page, right?
[12:07] <siretart> yo
[12:09] <dolson> ok, well there was a typo in the copyright file for the website.. I put "asla" instead of "alsa".. so I dput an updated package with that typo fixed. I just didn't know if that meant I needed to increment the package release because it was already in NEW or not, but you said I shouldn't, and I didn't, so then that's good.
[12:11] <siretart> dolson: I'd say lets wait to get it out of new, and handle these small bugs without revu
[12:13] <crimsun> I think I've been spoiled by trac
[12:28] <crimsun> siretart: we should be able to close #305171, too. These submitters really need to get back to us...
[12:34] <crimsun> (going to bed, will resume checking this afternoon.)
[02:53] <MasterC> hi
[02:53] <MasterC> vncserver is broken in dapper
[02:53] <MasterC> it uses xserver-common, but its not available
[02:55] <Toadstool> hi MasterC, the problem is known, it's listed in the unmet-deps to be worked on
[02:55] <MasterC> okay, thanks
[02:56] <Toadstool> no prob
[02:56] <MasterC> is vncserver RealVNC?
[02:57] <MasterC> I want to install it manually
[02:59] <Toadstool> I don't know, maybe you could ask on #ubuntu, there is far more people than here and they are there to answer to this kind of questions ;)
[02:59] <MasterC> okay
[03:05] <zakame> evening all
[03:05] <Toadstool> hi zakame
[03:06] <Gloubiboulga> hey zakame
[03:07] <zakame> hi Toadstool Gloubiboulga :D
[03:26] <zakame> heya raphink
[03:27] <zakame> what's the link again for the initial xgl in dapper announce?
[03:29] <jsgotangco> are you ever so willing to swallow crack now eh?
[03:29] <jsgotangco> its at ubuntu-devel-announce
[03:40] <Kyral> Morninh MOTU
[03:40] <zakame> heya raphink sladen Kyral
[03:40] <zakame> jsgotangco: hell no its for a post for PLUG :P
[03:41] <Kyral> jsgotangco: whats this about Xgl == crack?
[03:41] <zakame> cool crack
[03:41] <Kyral> Yah
[03:41] <Kyral> I mean its not stable enough for me to use everyday
[03:42] <Kyral> but its nice to use to impress my friends "Windows XP eat your heart out"
[03:43] <Kyral> But normally my eyecandy combo is Cairo + XCompmgr(w/o drop shadows) + Transset
[03:43] <Kyral> Gah, I actually had to pin gtk2-engines-clearlooks
[03:43] <Kyral> hmm
[03:44] <Kyral> that would be a nice addition to Synaptic (if it isn't already there) a GUI to Apt-Pinning
[03:55] <irvin> is there a Xgl HCL somewhere?
[04:04] <Kyral> HCL?
[04:04] <Kyral> Hardware Compatibilty List?
[04:04] <irvin> Kyral: yes
[04:04] <Kyral> I think its the same as what you need to get XCompmgr going
[04:26] <tseng> Nafallo_away: save me, NM is not working
[04:26] <tseng> Nafallo_away: "no network devices found"
[04:52] <siretart> fabbione: around? is there still any use of igor?
[05:31] <bmonty> anyone know that package name of the "Time and Date Settings" app?
[05:31] <slomo> bmonty: gnome-system-tools
[05:32] <bmonty> slomo: thanks
[05:38] <Archibald> hey
[05:39] <Archibald> i think ndiswrapper 1.8 is broken
[05:39] <Archibald> i wanted to ask if someone could take a look at it?!
[05:40] <bmonty> Archibald: the best way to do that is to file a bug
[05:41] <Archibald> i was wondering if you knew about it already
[05:41] <Archibald> though actually i could have found that out on launchpad aswell, couldnt i
[05:41] <Archibald> sorry for wasting your time
[05:41] <bmonty> Archibald: I don't use ndiswrapper, so probably not, sorry
[05:41] <Archibald> cheers
[07:46] <_d> Is devede in dapper universe?
[07:46] <dholbach> _d: packages.ubuntu.com
[07:47] <siretart> _d: no
[07:48] <_d> Could I request devede for inclusion into breezy and dapper universe?
[07:48] <dholbach> _d: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates is the proper place for this and we won't be able to include it into breezy. breezy is stable/released.
[07:49] <dholbach> _d: and for Dapper it will have to happen in the next 3-4 days, Feb 23rd is FeatureFreeze
[07:49] <dholbach> What is devede?
[07:52] <dholbach> _d:  www.rastersoft.com/programas/devede.html ?
[07:54] <_d> Thats the one but I'm unable to find a link to the source code that works. Could you please try downloading it?
[07:54] <hub> can't even acces the website
[07:55] <dholbach> hmmmmmmmm, requirement: mplayer, hmmmmmmm
[07:56] <_d> I tried gnomefiles and some others but they all link to the same place- its a VERY handy tool by the looks of things- would do great things for Linux multimedia if it works
[07:57] <hub> _d: the problem with linux multimedia is that  video format is a huge pile of mess
[07:57] <hub> due to licensing
[07:57] <_d> ftp search didn't help either- I presume the source tarball mustn't actually have te string devede in it
[07:58] <_d> hub: I know. Nothing wrong with ogg but nobody ever encodes into theora video
[07:58] <_d> no dvd boxes play it
[07:58] <hub> _d: they prefer being tied to a vendor
[07:59] <_d> I REALLY want this devede- it will persuade many of my mates to try linux or totally drop windows i'd expect
[08:00] <_d> I need to tell marillat about it too
[08:06] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, ping
[08:10] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: pong
[08:10] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, the problem with gswitch is due to a bug in the libswitch package I've made
[08:11] <Gloubiboulga> but libswitch is still in NEW, what can I due to patch it ?
[08:11] <Gloubiboulga> s/due/do
[08:11] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: upload a new version
[08:11] <Gloubiboulga> numbered ubuntu2 ?
[08:11] <dholbach> however you like it
[08:12] <Gloubiboulga> ok, thanks dholbach. I'll send this on REVU as soon as possible
[08:20] <sebest> dholbach: hello, i need an advice
[08:21] <dholbach> sebest: fire away
[08:21] <sebest> i uploaded libapach2-mod-dnssd on revu and it was accepted
[08:21] <sebest> and then i got it also reviewed by a debian dev
[08:22] <sebest> and he told me that the name of the source package should be closer to the name of the upstream package
[08:22] <sebest> so i change the name of the source package to mod-dnssd (upstream is mod_dnssd)
[08:22] <sebest> and uploaded it on revu: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1830
[08:23] <dholbach> you could name the source package mod-dnssd and the binary package libapache2...
[08:23] <sebest> that's what i did
[08:23] <dholbach> cool
[08:23] <dholbach> :-)
[08:23] <sebest> (same thing with mod-mime-xattr, also on revu)
[08:24] <sebest> but i'd like it to be replaced on ubuntu repository with the new source package, but i don't know who to ask
[08:24] <dholbach> is it in the atchive already?
[08:24] <dholbach> or still in NEW?
[08:25] <dholbach> in any way mail: james dot troup at canonical dot com
[08:25] <sebest> lathiat told me he already uploaded it, but i don't know more
[08:26] <dholbach> mail james
[08:26] <sebest> thanx dholbach, i'll mail james
[08:26] <dholbach> cool
[08:30] <siretart> dholbach: if it is in new, Colin might be able to help as well, since he seems to process NEW
[08:34] <sebest> siretart, could you explain me what is NEW exactly?
[08:34] <sebest> one step from the archive ?
[08:44] <hub> can somebody review this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1871
[08:48] <crimsun> siretart: it's a queue where packages that aren't already in the distribution (called "pool") are placed for manual approval
[08:48] <crimsun> siretart: err, sorry
[08:49] <crimsun> sebest: it's a queue where packages that aren't already in the distribution (called "pool") are placed for manual approval
[08:50] <sebest> crimsum: and what are the conditions to approve or not a package in this pool?
[08:51] <sebest> i mean when it's in this pool, what could make it not enter the archive?
[08:52] <crimsun> sebest: by the time it gets to NEW, it's more or less a licensing check. We should have done all the rigorous checking.
[08:52] <crimsun> in other words, we had better do the leg work so the admins don't throw the package back at us
[08:54] <apachelogger> someone wanna review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1872 ?
[08:54] <sebest> crimsum: thanx for the info
[08:54] <siretart> crimsun: I'm working a bit on wpasupplicant, but I think I need your help with the last lintian warning
[08:55] <crimsun> siretart: sure, I'll be in a better position to help in an hour (family atm)
[08:55] <siretart> ok
[08:55] <siretart> crimsun: just to know: wpasupplicant is supposed to install a /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant file, but no init symlinks, right?
[08:56] <siretart> crimsun: wouldn't it be more sane in this case to install that init script somewhere else than /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant?
[08:56] <crimsun> siretart: correct. ifupdown handles that.
[08:57] <crimsun> siretart: I don't think we should migrate the initscript away yet, because some people have pre-up calls to it in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:57] <crimsun> (just following the alsa-base model where /etc/init.d/alsa was retained for a good while even though it was fairly dead weight)
[08:58] <crimsun> siretart: it'll be a good idea to add a debconf note, though
[08:58] <crimsun> (possibly in addition to amending README.Debian)
[08:59] <siretart> crimsun: I see. debconf note might be overkill, but a comment in debian/NEWS would suffice, imo
[08:59] <crimsun> ok, sounds good
[09:00] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, new packages for libswitch and gswitch are on REVU (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1873 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1864)
[09:00] <dholbach> cool
[09:01] <dholbach> i'm working on something else atm
[09:01] <Gloubiboulga> no problem
[09:02] <hub> forget for my review
[09:02] <hub> I'm a moron
[09:16] <Psi-Jack> Wow.
[09:16] <Psi-Jack> I got a responce from Lexmark.
[09:18] <siretart> Psi-Jack: what did they say?
[09:19] <Psi-Jack> Thank you for your suggestion. I will forward it to our research and development department as a request for a future product upgrade. It is through the ideas and opinions of customers, like you, that we are able to continually improve our products.
[09:20] <siretart> very funny, automated canned answer
[09:20] <Psi-Jack> Not much of a responce, yet, but getting there. :)
[09:20] <Psi-Jack> siretart: Actually, that's not canned. But, it's close.
[09:21] <Psi-Jack> My email I sent, just went to the wrong department, basically. So, John of the Lexmark eSupport Team, is forwarding it over to R&D.
[09:55] <dholbach> unfortunately it's not as sharp as I had liked it:  http://daniel.holba.ch/pics/06-02-Berlin/img015.jpeg.html   :-)
[09:55] <xerox_> dholbach: I got around making those libsvg packages.  What to do now to get them, if I did a good job, into ubuntu?
[09:55] <dholbach> xerox_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU explains how we do.
[10:06] <xerox_> dholbach: how am I supposed to sign the packages, gpg --clearsign foo.deb ?
[10:07] <dholbach> you have to upload the source package
[10:07] <dholbach> the .dsc, .diff.gz, .orig.tar.gz
[10:07] <xerox_> I have them all, yes.
[10:07] <dholbach> if you're in the source tree and run     debuild -S -sa
[10:07] <dholbach> ah right
[10:07] <dholbach> that should generated a .changes file
[10:07] <xerox_> Err, no .orig... I probably didn't use -S -sa.
[10:07] <dholbach> ..._source.changes
[10:08] <xerox_> libsvg_0.1.4-1_i386.changes
[10:08] <xerox_> Let me redo with -S -sa.
[10:08] <dholbach> take the upstream tarball, unpack it, move the tarball to      <app-name>_<version>.orig.tar.gz
[10:08] <dholbach> then add the debian/ dir to the unpacked tarball, then run      debuild -S -sa
[10:08] <xerox_> There is no upstream tarball :-|
[10:08] <dholbach> how did you generate it?
[10:09] <xerox_> I did it by hand (with the help of dh_make).
[10:09] <dholbach> where did you get the source?
[10:09] <xerox_> Neither Debian nor Ubuntu has libsvg and libsvg-cairo.
[10:09] <dholbach> (apart from debian/)
[10:09] <xerox_> I got them from www.cairographics.org.
[10:10] <dholbach> you downloaded a tarball?
[10:10] <dholbach> a .tar.gz or something?
[10:10] <xerox_> Yes, I put the urls in debian/copyright.
[10:10] <dholbach> that's the upstream tarball
[10:10] <xerox_> Okay.
[10:10] <dholbach> right
[10:10] <xerox_> I move it to that name, okay.
[10:11] <xerox_> I now have: libsvg_0.1.4-1.tar.gz
[10:11] <dholbach> you basically just follow the steps i told you, then at the end (if you're happy), run      dput revu cool-software_1.2.3-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[10:11] <dholbach> dholbach take the upstream tarball, unpack it, move the tarball to      <app-name>_<version>.orig.tar.gz
[10:11] <dholbach> dholbach then add the debian/ dir to the unpacked tarball, then run      debuild -S -sa
[10:11] <xerox_> Okay.
[10:11] <xerox_> Thanks for the informations.
[10:12] <dholbach> Cool. :)
[10:12] <Seveas> dholbach, lol@planet 
[10:12] <dholbach> Seveas: :-)
[10:12] <xerox_> Seveas: haha, you can't use THAT as a smiley!
[10:12] <Seveas> dholbach, did you see my pic of ogra's car already?
[10:13] <dholbach> Seveas: yeah :)))
[10:13] <Seveas> xerox_, why not? 
[10:13] <xerox_> Heh.  How do you do it exactly?
[10:13] <Seveas> xerox_, X-chat autoreplace
[10:13] <xerox_> Right :-)
[10:14] <Seveas> dholbach, btw, shal I upload moreutils (http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/moreutils-2006-02-19-19-48.html) to revu or just wait for it to enter via debian?
[10:15] <lucas> Seveas: I think you should just request a sync when the package gets out of NEW
[10:17] <Se7h> hi there
[10:20] <Se7h> mathias around?
[10:20] <xerox_> Successfully uploaded packages.
[10:22] <Se7h> yay \o/
[10:28] <xerox_> dholbach: is there any way to check how is it going with the packages?
[10:28] <dholbach> xerox_: what do you mean?
[10:28] <xerox_> dholbach: what happens now? :-)
[10:29] <dholbach> xerox_: hopefully somebody will review it on http://revu.tauware.de/
[10:29] <dholbach> xerox_: as soon as you get 2 good votes on it, we'll be able to upload it
[10:29] <dholbach> (to the archive)
[10:30] <dholbach> just to let you know: Feb 23rd is FeatureFreeze, after that, no NEW packages will be included
[10:30] <dholbach> (for Dapper)
[10:30] <xerox_> Yeah, you told me that :-\
[10:30] <dholbach> It's a bit unfortunate, but it has to happen at some stage :/
[10:30] <xerox_> It's not a big package anyway.
[10:31] <xerox_> They're two 1-file-libraries (and their 1-.h-file-dev-packages).
[10:35] <segfault> anyone? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1875
[10:35] <Se7h> where do i get the subscription paper to enter motu?
[10:35] <Se7h> lol
[10:35] <segfault> i've bumped to new upstream release.
[10:38] <Seveas> hmm, my package on revu finally has 2 advocates  When will it be uploaded to dapper?
[10:39] <segfault> good question, mine was approved too, but didn't hit the archives yet
[10:39] <segfault> :)
[10:39] <dholbach> it hits the archive, when it's through NEW
[10:40] <Seveas> is it auto-uploaded?
[10:40] <Seveas> and can we view the contents/processing of NEW somewhere?
[10:42] <dholbach> no, it's not auto-uploaded
[10:42] <dholbach> we usually try to comment on revu, saying that we uploaded, then archive the package on revu
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[10:55] <slomo_> ?!
[10:55] <dholbach> it was just a "lil kid" with too much time on its hands
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[10:57] <lilkid>  fuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck sh
[10:58] <dholbach> gar!
[10:58] <toma> moron..
[10:59] <lilkid> haha
[10:59] <lilkid>  fuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck
[10:59] <Se7h> o.0
[10:59] <Toadstool> uh ?!
[11:00] <lilkid> peace :P
[11:00] <jroes> do you guys happen to know where the gstreamer0.10-mad equivalent is? :)
[11:00] <Se7h> dam spam
[11:00] <dholbach> jroes: slomo might know that
[11:00] <robertj> jroes: try searching for gstreamer ugly
[11:00] <robertj> I know they are split into gstreamer good bad ugly and something else
[11:01] <robertj> apt-cache search gstreamer plugins should probably get you pretty close
[11:01] <jroes> ah
[11:01] <slomo_> jroes: gstreamer-plugins-ugly0.10
[11:01] <robertj> that's upstream, so that should be x-distro now
[11:01] <lilkid11> whats the point of keeping banning be it wont work
[11:01] <dholbach> lilkid11: drop it
[11:01] <jroes> yep, ugly worked :)
[11:02] <jroes> thankya very much guys
[11:04] <jroes> oh, by the way, have you guys noticed GAIM freezing you if you're doing the whole dapper w/ xgl deal and you try to do a direct im with someone?
[11:05] <jroes> GAIM will freeze my whole box ;)
[11:05] <lilkid11>  fuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfuck shit fuck shitfu
[11:05] <Seveas> dholbach, I got some indirect questions about the motu channel today - did you have problems like this before?
[11:06] <dholbach> no
[11:06] <Seveas> k
[11:06] <dholbach> we had people with annoying questions, but not morons like him. :)
[11:06] <Seveas> hey, you have me - I'm a moron too ;)
[11:06] <dholbach> or annoying views on the world.
[11:06] <dholbach> you know that's not true.
[11:06] <Seveas> hehe
[11:07] <Toadstool> what's the problem with that lilkid guy...
[11:07] <Seveas> anyway, if ever you need help from staff, just poke me (or lilo if I'm not around)
[11:07] <dholbach> Toadstool: he has too much time
[11:07] <siretart> Toadstool: there's no problem. just /ignore him
[11:07] <Toadstool> yep
[11:10] <LaserJock> hi all!
[11:10] <psusi> hi
[11:11] <Gloubiboulga> hey LaserJock, psusi
[11:11] <Gloubiboulga> cu
[11:18] <marcin`> siretart: ping
[11:19] <siretart> marcin`: pong, wassup?
[11:19] <marcin`> I got a problem when trying to upload package to revu
[11:19] <marcin`> raphink: said that you could help
[11:19] <siretart> perhaps.
[11:20] <marcin`> siretart: my dput says that:
[11:20] <marcin`> siretart: Error '(111, 'Connection refused')' during ftp transfer of vtiger-crm-lan...
[11:21] <marcin`> siretart: and there is traceback that ends with "TypeError: unsubscriptable object"
[11:21] <siretart> marcin`: no, revu's ftp server is up and running. I assume you have a configuration problem
[11:35] <ajmitch> morning
[11:36] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[11:37] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I actually had a bug question for you. freefem was supposed to be a CXX transition but I can't tell if it was done or not. It is bug 17385
[11:37] <Ubugtu> malone bug 17385 in freefem "CXX transition: freefem" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/17385
[11:38] <ajmitch> iirc the only user of the library was freefem itself
[11:39] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you provided a patch so I thought maybe you might know what happened.
[11:40] <ajmitch> it was a litle while ago
[11:41] <LaserJock> yeah, I was trying to do some clean up for Bug Day ;-)
[11:41] <ajmitch> about 9 months ago..
[11:42] <ajmitch> so I can't exactly remember what happened, I think it was rebuilt with g++ 4.0 anyway
[11:42] <ajmitch> and never changed in debian
[11:43] <LaserJock> ajmitch: so what if I closed the bug?
[11:43] <ajmitch> do it if you wish
[11:44] <LaserJock> I see
[11:47] <TheMuso> c
[11:47] <TheMuso> damn
[11:47] <TheMuso> Wrong window...
[12:01] <dolson> hello world
[12:01] <LaserJock> could somebod take a look at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/legalcode and tell me where the license starts?
[12:04] <dolson> I almost packaged 'patchage' but it is already in dapper.. sheesh