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| highvoltage | ogra: howdy. the ubuntu announce list mentions en edubuntu flight 4 cd. is it available yet? | 06:40 |
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| jjjjjjj | hi, anyone here? | 07:11 |
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| jjjjjjj | hi zakame | 07:12 |
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| zakame | heya jjjjjjj :D | 07:13 |
| jjjjjjj | can i ask a q: ? | 07:13 |
| jjjjjjj | i would like to setup edubuntu as a server and have thin clients connect to it. is this feature built in or do i do freenx for that task? | 07:14 |
| jjjjjjj | i would like to setup edubuntu as a server and have thin clients connect to it. is this feature built in or do i do freenx for that task? | 07:14 |
| jjjjjjj | and... do them thin client pc's need a hard drive. | 07:15 |
| highvoltage | jjjjjjj: it has it built-in, it just requires some post-install configuration | 07:15 |
| jjjjjjj | sudo apt-get something? | 07:18 |
| jjjjjjj | i did try sudo apt-get install desktop-server yesterday but saw no real difference from edubuntu-desktop | 07:22 |
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| jjjjjjj | how proficient should one be with edubuntu if he/she wants to try any Testing? | 07:33 |
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| jjjjjjj | well just in case someone else asks the same question I did about terminal servers maybe send them here. | 07:40 |
| jjjjjjj | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Chapter_5_-_Thin-Client_Computing?highlight=%28thin-client%29 | 07:40 |
| jjjjjjj | thank you and goodbye. | 07:41 |
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| jsgotangco | nice nick | 07:41 |
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| jsgotangco | hey guys i just uploaded an updated edubuntu release notes and should build in doc.ubuntu.com in a few minutes | 08:11 |
| jsgotangco | still need to check other stuff | 08:11 |
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| jsgotangco | oh wait a bit | 08:18 |
| jsgotangco | i just remembered | 08:18 |
| jsgotangco | 5.10 didn't have PPC! | 08:18 |
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| highvoltage | jsgotangco: i see an irc message from you made it onto the flight 4 page :) | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | it was staged | 09:30 |
| highvoltage | :) | 09:32 |
| jsgotangco | im building a quick guide page for the distro at the moment | 09:32 |
| jsgotangco | (edubuntu) | 09:32 |
| highvoltage | nice | 09:41 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: i'm building up a text file with comments i'm going to send to ogra | 09:41 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: it included some things for that start page | 09:41 |
| jsgotangco | whats in that? | 09:41 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 09:41 |
| highvoltage | for instance, i think we should have links in that page to the local installation of schooltool | 09:42 |
| highvoltage | because there's no real link to it anywhere in the entire edubuntu UI | 09:42 |
| jsgotangco | doc.ubuntu.com doesn't seem to build my current work so if you have a working copy of ubuntu-docs from svn just update | 09:42 |
| highvoltage | ok | 09:42 |
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| jsgotangco | JaneW, i've made previews of docs for edubuntu at doc.ubuntu.com | 11:12 |
| jsgotangco | at the moment it just contains release notes and about edubuntu | 11:13 |
| jsgotangco | i'll try to finish up the prelimiary quickguide TOC for review | 11:13 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: great I'll have a look at soon as I can | 11:18 |
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| pips1 | hi all | 12:47 |
| pips1 | JaneW, the meeting about the edubuntu website is about to start, right? | 12:47 |
| JaneW | oh dang, yes | 12:49 |
| JaneW | it's slipped my mind, because I didn't set a reminder... | 12:49 |
| pips1 | JaneW, you forget! | 12:49 |
| JaneW | *blush* | 12:49 |
| pips1 | :-) | 12:49 |
| JaneW | been arranging 3 sprints.... | 12:49 |
| pips1 | woah | 12:49 |
| pips1 | well, I made some progress with the drupal test site in the last four days | 12:50 |
| JaneW | cool | 12:51 |
| JaneW | we have 5 mins right? | 12:51 |
| JaneW | I'll brb | 12:51 |
| pips1 | so, I guess people can have a peek... to inform their views regarding the future Edubuntu website | 12:51 |
| pips1 | JaneW, sure | 12:51 |
| JaneW | ok back - will be having lunch very late today ;) | 12:55 |
| JaneW | I had no idea so much of the day had passed already! | 12:55 |
| JaneW | are the other suspects here? | 12:55 |
| JaneW | highvoltage, mhz and hno73? | 12:55 |
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| highvoltage | hi there | 12:56 |
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| JaneW | hello highvoltage | 12:56 |
| JaneW | wonder where mhz is...? | 12:56 |
| JaneW | hi heno | 12:56 |
| highvoltage | hi JaneW | 12:56 |
| JaneW | btw if everone doesn't know; heno = hno73 | 12:57 |
| highvoltage | heno is easier to pronounce than hno73, i'm glad he changed it | 12:57 |
| heno | yeah, sorry about the change of nick :p | 12:57 |
| highvoltage | :) | 12:57 |
| heno | ok, cool :) | 12:57 |
| JaneW | heno: it looks like you get to be moin advocate | 12:58 |
| JaneW | mhz is missing | 12:58 |
| heno | heh, ok | 12:58 |
| JaneW | we need to get this sorted out today, once and for all | 12:58 |
| highvoltage | yes, please! | 12:58 |
| JaneW | shall we hear from the drupal corner and agree that unless drupal can convince us, we default to Moin? | 12:59 |
| pips1 | ok | 12:59 |
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| JaneW | pips1: no pressure ;) | 12:59 |
| heno | I think your point was good that whoever ends up maintaining it should have a key say | 12:59 |
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| pips1 | ;-) | 01:00 |
| pips1 | heno, agreed | 01:00 |
| heno | (which I don't plan on doing btw :) ) | 01:00 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: i think both are great, so if it's not drupal, it should certainly be moin, and vice-versa | 01:00 |
| JaneW | heno: right, I think that's the crux | 01:00 |
| pips1 | yeah, the maintenance is the big question | 01:00 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: ita, to me it makes no difference, so like I say the person who gets the job so be happy and excited about what they are working on | 01:01 |
| heno | I don't know very much about the workings of drupal, so I wouldn't mind seeing a deployment up close anyway | 01:01 |
| JaneW | so do we know who will own it, or are there several part-time volunteers? | 01:01 |
| pips1 | but, let's see what people think about drupal ... they can have a look at the test site i whipped up in the last few days | 01:01 |
| JaneW | ok, the floor is yours | 01:01 |
| heno | pips1: URL? | 01:01 |
| highvoltage | there's not really much on that drupal site :/ | 01:02 |
| pips1 | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSiteUnderDevelopment?action=show | 01:02 |
| pips1 | highvoltage, you are right! | 01:02 |
| pips1 | the url are just a few important remarks about the test site | 01:03 |
| pips1 | basically, it's a really old crummy test server, just to show you guys drupal quick, and then I will take the site down again... | 01:03 |
| pips1 | here is the test site url : spock.isz.ch | 01:04 |
| JaneW | pips1: I was reading that whole page looking for the link to the site! | 01:04 |
| pips1 | JaneW, that was on purpose! ;-) | 01:05 |
| pips1 | hehe | 01:05 |
| JaneW | pips1: thanks - not | 01:05 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: he very tactfully forced you to read the entire page ;) | 01:05 |
| highvoltage | pips1++ | 01:05 |
| JaneW | pips1: how easy is it to change the skin? | 01:05 |
| pips1 | very easy | 01:05 |
| pips1 | i can switch some skins right now for you guys :-) | 01:06 |
| JaneW | Q:will we have to creat new logins for whichever is chosen? | 01:06 |
| JaneW | pips1: please do... | 01:06 |
| pips1 | maybe I wait a couple of mins so you can have a look at what's there now | 01:06 |
| JaneW | pips1: that's the default look right? | 01:06 |
| pips1 | JaneW, new logins when we switch a skin?? no. | 01:07 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: drupal supports XML RPC so it should be possible to use your launchpad account, iiuc | 01:07 |
| pips1 | JaneW, yes, that's the default look | 01:07 |
| JaneW | pips1: I mean we currently have wiki logins | 01:07 |
| heno | changing skins can be easy, but making a good skin takes time ... | 01:07 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: ok thanks | 01:07 |
| pips1 | heno, you are right about skins taking time | 01:07 |
| JaneW | although for these pages we don;t want general public access necessarily | 01:07 |
| pips1 | btw, I realised that The Fridge is running with Drupal... does anybody know who maintains the fridge? | 01:08 |
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| JaneW | heno/ pips1 : would it mean redesigning for drupal, or could the moin look be imported in some way? | 01:08 |
| JaneW | pips1: daniel robitalle I think | 01:08 |
| pips1 | JaneW, I guess we could modify the fridge skin... | 01:08 |
| heno | JaneW: much of the CSS and images could be ported I'm sure | 01:09 |
| JaneW | the fridge has a nice skin, but we'd need to give it an edubuntu look | 01:09 |
| pips1 | well, we'd have to ask daniel robitalle | 01:09 |
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| heno | I didn't realise the Fridge used Drupal, cool. | 01:09 |
| pips1 | JaneW, agreed | 01:09 |
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| JaneW | ok so who will run OUR site | 01:09 |
| pips1 | ok, let me change the skin quick, just for fun | 01:09 |
| JaneW | pips1: you weren't able to give us much time before | 01:10 |
| heno | jdub did much of the design work for the Fridge I think | 01:10 |
| JaneW | which is understandable | 01:10 |
| pips1 | done, this is the spreadfirefox theme | 01:10 |
| JaneW | I expect in this case we will have a lot of work initially, and then things will settle down | 01:10 |
| JaneW | I like that one more | 01:11 |
| highvoltage | pips1: do you have the time resources to run the edubuntu drupal site? | 01:11 |
| heno | Ah, that's cool | 01:11 |
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| JaneW | after the initial intensive work, we will need someone to do ad hoc edits with a reasonable response time | 01:11 |
| heno | Another key question: what will the site mainly be used for? | 01:12 |
| heno | community contributions? | 01:12 |
| JaneW | and then add new stuff and remove old every few months prolly | 01:12 |
| pips1 | highvoltage, well i have some time, because I currently work part-time only, but it would be on an volunteer basis, it would be good if we can share the responsability and help each other out... | 01:12 |
| JaneW | I'd prefer to see 2/3 ppl contributing | 01:12 |
| highvoltage | pips1: i'm willing to do that. i had lots of ideas for the original drupal site too | 01:12 |
| JaneW | but I think 1 person should lead | 01:12 |
| pips1 | JaneW, agreed | 01:12 |
| highvoltage | at the moment my time looks better too, it seems that my free time will be better for at least the next month or so. | 01:13 |
| pips1 | I am happy to help | 01:13 |
| JaneW | heno and highvoltage did a fantastic job last time | 01:13 |
| pips1 | I'd be happy for highvoltage to have the lead... | 01:13 |
| pips1 | or whoever volunteers | 01:13 |
| JaneW | but we haven't really made changes since then | 01:13 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: thanks, heno did a fantastic job on the layout though, i have to give him credit there. | 01:13 |
| JaneW | and I think we need to focus on adding new stuff and keeping up to date and interesting now | 01:13 |
| pips1 | JaneW, yes, content is king | 01:14 |
| highvoltage | yes, mostly because we've been jumping between drupal and moin | 01:14 |
| JaneW | yes, I was surprised, I didn't expect our site and wiki to be as fab as they are :)) | 01:14 |
| highvoltage | and partially because we've used moin mostly anyway for pages that should change | 01:14 |
| heno | highvoltage: nah, you had already done the basic design, I just tweaked :) | 01:14 |
| JaneW | can we make a call? Drupal vs Moin? | 01:15 |
| pips1 | but I also think that navigation is important, and the site should be very newbie friendly, since we are dealing with educators and kids... | 01:15 |
| JaneW | pips1: yes agreed | 01:15 |
| JaneW | ultimately we should have sections for diff users | 01:15 |
| pips1 | JaneW, you want to decide already ?! | 01:15 |
| JaneW | are there more arguments to be heard? | 01:15 |
| pips1 | I haven't even pointed out some of the features, heck! | 01:15 |
| heno | perhaps I should show a moin site as well? | 01:15 |
| highvoltage | i'm fine with both, but since mhz isn't here, i think it's important to note why the moin site is a good option | 01:15 |
| heno | http://www.theopencd.org/ | 01:15 |
| JaneW | the fact that the frdige is using drupal means the deicision to go there is not that 'out there' | 01:15 |
| heno | is one I put up recently | 01:16 |
| JaneW | heno: and www.ubuntu.com of course ;) | 01:16 |
| highvoltage | it's what ubuntu.com uses too, and users are used to editing pages in both | 01:16 |
| heno | It has some locked down pages in front and more of an open wiki elsewhere | 01:16 |
| heno | JaneW: ah, that too | 01:16 |
| JaneW | heh | 01:16 |
| highvoltage | heno: that's the single most nicest moin page i've ever seen | 01:16 |
| JaneW | I like the crsip neatness of drupal and the frames, but I think moin could have those too | 01:17 |
| JaneW | so I am completely undecided | 01:17 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: are you and heno in a mutual flattery club? ;) | 01:17 |
| heno | http://www2.canonical.com/ is another | 01:17 |
| pips1 | heno, wow you even got a forum in there! | 01:17 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: seems so, yes :P | 01:17 |
| heno | pips1: It's a bit of a fake forum | 01:18 |
| heno | but it sort of works | 01:18 |
| pips1 | JaneW, I know that the design is what appeals to everybody, but don't forget the features... :-) | 01:18 |
| heno | Good point. What features do we need? | 01:19 |
| JaneW | the forum is quite nice, if it stays low-volume | 01:19 |
| heno | How should a community contributor go about submitting something? | 01:19 |
| JaneW | pips1: ok tlak about the features, cos all I know is the look so far... | 01:19 |
| pips1 | well, i think there are lots of features in use in the "ubuntu world" but they are a bit strewn all over different platforms/tools... | 01:19 |
| highvoltage | what's a big ++ for drupal, is the structure it provides | 01:20 |
| heno | How tight should the editorial control be, etc? | 01:20 |
| JaneW | well are we going to do a gallery or will that stay on art.u.c? | 01:20 |
| highvoltage | i think it should be on the drupal site, but there's no reason why it couldn't be on both, right? | 01:20 |
| heno | highvoltage: the problem I have foubd with structured CMSes though is that structure becomes limiting | 01:21 |
| JaneW | heno: I think we should keep a few front pages with restricted access | 01:21 |
| heno | stopping you from laying things out the way you want | 01:21 |
| highvoltage | heno: i think i know what you mean, but in which way does it become limiting the most? | 01:21 |
| highvoltage | heno: is it that "stuck inside the box" factor? | 01:21 |
| highvoltage | oh i see. | 01:21 |
| heno | yes | 01:21 |
| pips1 | heno, regarding editorial control, that's somewhat a political/policy question, personally, I like the open approach of wikis very much, I think it's the way forward, but on the other hand, a wiki needs a bit of learning and I think we could provide a more welcoming experience with some nicely done site | 01:21 |
| heno | I even wrote a rand about it http://www.theopencd.org/news/2005/newsite :) | 01:22 |
| highvoltage | the reason why i think drupal is a good reason, is because i think more people will be likely to contribute at this stage. technically, moin is nicer. overall, i think that drupal is the best short-term solution (short term being the next year or so) | 01:23 |
| pips1 | heno, regarding structure: that is the main strong point of drupal: it's not so different from a wiki, i.e. free floating pages, but you can then assign those pages with some structure, during creation (by the author) or afterwards (e.g. by a site architect) | 01:23 |
| heno | pips1: yep. We once had a teacher use the official SFD wiki as a teaching tool, getting his kids to set up hundreads of random pages there. A bit of a mess | 01:24 |
| heno | though we were getting spammed ... | 01:24 |
| pips1 | heno, huh? what was getting spammed? | 01:25 |
| pips1 | ah, I understood | 01:25 |
| heno | pips1: that souds pretty good, like topic tags in gmail | 01:25 |
| pips1 | drupal's access control is simple to understand (unlike zope2 e.g.) but quite powerful | 01:25 |
| pips1 | yes, the new version of drupal (which is in beta 4 and about to be released) features "free tagging" VERY NICE | 01:26 |
| heno | The moin ACL is poweful and flexible, but a bit of a mess to set up; the syntax is confusing | 01:26 |
| heno | the ubuntu wiki has no access control at all, amazingly it works | 01:27 |
| pips1 | heno, highvoltage, JaneW - I can send you some account login details, then you can have a look "behind the scenes" | 01:27 |
| JaneW | pips1: ok thanks | 01:27 |
| heno | pips1: that would be cool | 01:28 |
| highvoltage | pips1: i'm familiar with drupals interface, i don't think i need one | 01:28 |
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| highvoltage | perhaps also of interest, check all the plug-ins and skins available at http://www.drupal.org | 01:28 |
| highvoltage | there's a huge community behind it | 01:28 |
| heno | what about the hosting itself? where will the site be? | 01:28 |
| JaneW | heno: good point | 01:28 |
| highvoltage | heno: on the edubuntu server | 01:29 |
| heno | is that a data center server? | 01:29 |
| pips1 | ok, i sent emails to heno, highvoltage and JaneW | 01:29 |
| highvoltage | heno: yes, it's name is orcadas.ubuntu.com | 01:29 |
| heno | pips1: would obviously need access to that | 01:30 |
| pips1 | does anybody else here want to have a look ? | 01:30 |
| JaneW | ty | 01:30 |
| heno | ah, ok | 01:30 |
| highvoltage | heno: it's a big server that currenly hosts 3 html pages :) | 01:30 |
| highvoltage | heno: and that's it! | 01:30 |
| heno | ah, yes I remember now | 01:30 |
| heno | do you need shell access to admin a drupal site? | 01:31 |
| pips1 | heno, don't know, lemme check | 01:31 |
| heno | with moin, you probably do because we're using it in a non-standard way | 01:32 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: we have our OWn server? | 01:32 |
| highvoltage | no, you don't need shell access for drupal admin | 01:32 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: I thought we just had some space on another server? | 01:32 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: yes, for all practical purposes | 01:32 |
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| highvoltage | i think heno has root, i'm not 100% sure | 01:33 |
| pips1 | heno, no, you don't need root access | 01:33 |
| heno | no I don't have root access to any DC machines | 01:33 |
| heno | just the external pronto servers | 01:34 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: nope, initially we were going to get an account with an isp, but currently (and for the last 6 months), www.edubuntu.com is the only thing running from that server | 01:34 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: oic | 01:34 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: and the technicalities of getting Moin vs Drupal on there... is there much difference? | 01:34 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: sorry, i see testbed.kubuntu.org is also on that server now | 01:34 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: you said we needed the sys admins involved... | 01:35 |
| pips1 | hey, nobody participated in the poll yet, under "Contribute" ;-) | 01:35 |
| pips1 | it's a shame that flint isn't here | 01:35 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: yes, znarl was just about to install drupal when i stopped him last time | 01:35 |
| JaneW | pips1: er, no it's not! | 01:35 |
| JaneW | pips1: what poll? | 01:35 |
| heno | drupal is python based? | 01:35 |
| pips1 | on the test site, under 'contribute' | 01:35 |
| pips1 | heno, no php | 01:36 |
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| spacey | wheres the testsite? | 01:36 |
| pips1 | oh, sorry, I remember, i disabled participating in polls for anonymous users, so you need to login with the details in the mail i sent... | 01:37 |
| JaneW | pips1: LOL | 01:37 |
| pips1 | spacey, spock.isz.ch | 01:37 |
| heno | and the admins are fine with a php-based site? | 01:38 |
| spacey | dapper drake is a duck as well =) | 01:38 |
| heno | How is the data stored? in a database? how do version upgrades work? How easy is it to dump the content out of the system? | 01:39 |
| pips1 | heno, in a sql database, either mysql or preferably, postgresql | 01:39 |
| pips1 | small version upgrades can be done with patch files | 01:40 |
| === heno could never get the hang of databases | ||
| pips1 | large version upgrades also, I think, need to check | 01:40 |
| pips1 | re dumping the content, hmm, don't know, I think there are some export options, the latest version definitely supports exports to docbook | 01:41 |
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| heno | How much existing data do we have that needs to be transfered? will we still use the wiki for much of it? | 01:43 |
| pips1 | so, what do we do now... i expected some more of the usual suspects to be here.. including the documentation folk, ... | 01:43 |
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| heno | The drupal solution looks fine to me (though I don't know much about the technical aspects) | 01:45 |
| pips1 | heno, I think the wiki will still be used for much of the free flowing user contributions, but the point of the official site is to give newbies a nice base to get started, and offer ONE place for that... i.e. there is an forum on the site.... | 01:45 |
| heno | I'd be happy to give advice on the layout and skinning of it | 01:45 |
| pips1 | heno, cool | 01:45 |
| JaneW | ok, so do we have a verdict? | 01:46 |
| heno | pips1: right real new newbies seem to like forums | 01:46 |
| pips1 | highvoltage, you have gone a bit quiet | 01:46 |
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| JaneW | shall we have a quick vote? | 01:46 |
| highvoltage | sorry, multitasking | 01:46 |
| pips1 | the four of us will vote? :-) | 01:46 |
| JaneW | or does anyone want to represent Moin quickly, to be fair? | 01:46 |
| JaneW | I think let's vote here, then send results to mailing list | 01:47 |
| pips1 | what happened to supporter no. 1? | 01:47 |
| pips1 | mhz | 01:47 |
| pips1 | ? | 01:47 |
| highvoltage | one question, kind of in the defense of moin | 01:47 |
| JaneW | if there is no outcry the vote stands... | 01:47 |
| JaneW | pips1: I dunno | 01:47 |
| highvoltage | what will happen to all the existing moin pages, will we keep them, and continue to use the moin for the wiki | 01:47 |
| highvoltage | and keep both? or just have the drupal site? | 01:47 |
| JaneW | well the ubuntu wiki is moin... | 01:48 |
| JaneW | and we tag onto that | 01:48 |
| JaneW | it's merged | 01:48 |
| JaneW | so I guess it has to stay moin... | 01:48 |
| highvoltage | so if we use drupal, we use both the druap site and moin? | 01:48 |
| pips1 | highvoltage, I think we should have the wiki as a place for community contributions from more experienced folk | 01:48 |
| JaneW | we need ppl to be able to search the ubuntu pages for support | 01:49 |
| highvoltage | in that case, we have very little to loose, becaulse we'll have the functionality of both | 01:49 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: right, it;s just that we have to maintain both | 01:49 |
| pips1 | highvoltage, yep | 01:49 |
| JaneW | which could be an issue | 01:49 |
| pips1 | JaneW, yep | 01:49 |
| highvoltage | in that case, i'm all for the drupal site | 01:49 |
| JaneW | unless you drupal folk do it as you say :)) | 01:49 |
| JaneW | ok, let the voting begin | 01:49 |
| JaneW | all in favor of Drupal say +1 | 01:50 |
| highvoltage | +1 | 01:50 |
| heno | I will officially abstain so that mhz doesn't loose all faih in me :) | 01:50 |
| === JaneW kicks pips1 | ||
| pips1 | highvoltage, but to be clear, the current edubuntu site content (locked pages) will be moved to drupal, and only the open wiki part will be kept at wiki.ubuntu.com | 01:50 |
| pips1 | right? | 01:50 |
| highvoltage | pips1: yes, the locked pages | 01:51 |
| heno | sounds right | 01:51 |
| pips1 | +1 | 01:51 |
| pips1 | :-) | 01:51 |
| JaneW | anyone else? | 01:51 |
| pips1 | you? | 01:51 |
| JaneW | ogra: ? | 01:51 |
| pips1 | ogra, ping! | 01:51 |
| === JaneW is still undecided ... | ||
| JaneW | I like the idea of drupal | 01:52 |
| JaneW | but moin seems safer (yet somehow less exciting) | 01:52 |
| JaneW | ok so far 2 to Drupal | 01:52 |
| ogra | pong | 01:52 |
| ogra | morning, sorry, had a late night | 01:52 |
| pips1 | JaneW, you said it yourself in the mail you sent out, before voting on drupal vs. moin, we need to decided on who is the main person responsible... | 01:52 |
| pips1 | :-) | 01:53 |
| JaneW | all in favour of Moin say +2 (just so it's dfferent) | 01:53 |
| JaneW | pips1: right, so who will take ownership? | 01:53 |
| pips1 | JaneW, that is so far out, your voting technique | 01:53 |
| === pips1 is rolling on the floor laughing | ||
| JaneW | heno/ highvoltage/ pips1/ ogra / mhz: ??^^ | 01:53 |
| JaneW | pips1: yeah sorry I didn't think it through very carefully... *blush* | 01:54 |
| heno | I still think Moin is a better choice, but it does take some care and feeding when used as a CMS | 01:54 |
| highvoltage | i can take ownership | 01:54 |
| JaneW | ok for Drupal say Drupal+1, for Moin say Moin+1 | 01:54 |
| highvoltage | sorry, i've had some interruptions. aaagh! there's the phone again | 01:54 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: will you manage it? I mean can spare the time? | 01:54 |
| pips1 | highvoltage, good stuff!!! | 01:55 |
| pips1 | applause! please | 01:55 |
| JaneW | pips1: and are you commiting to help? | 01:55 |
| pips1 | JaneW, sure, as I said, i'm glad to help | 01:55 |
| JaneW | *bounce* | 01:55 |
| JaneW | well then it's up to you and highvoltage really | 01:56 |
| JaneW | and you both said drupal | 01:56 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: at least for the next month or so, yes | 01:56 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: after that, if things get as busy again as they were recently, i'll find a replacement | 01:56 |
| pips1 | highvoltage, you seem rather uncertain... | 01:56 |
| highvoltage | pips1: it's definately something i want to do | 01:57 |
| highvoltage | pips1: and i have time now | 01:57 |
| pips1 | ok | 01:57 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: well then we will take it now | 01:57 |
| highvoltage | pips1: once most of the site is up, the maintenance won't be so much | 01:57 |
| heno | It looks ike the spread firefox theme can be modified fairly easily to look edubuntu-ish | 01:57 |
| JaneW | however if you 2 vanish and mhz and heno are left 'holding the baby' I will hunt you both down.. ok? | 01:58 |
| highvoltage | heno: i saw the same thing | 01:58 |
| === JaneW bats eyelids | ||
| heno | change the header image and some colours | 01:58 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: yes, that's fine with me | 01:58 |
| pips1 | highvoltage, yeah, getting the site up is the greatest effort, but I think the *content* needs constant encouragement... | 01:58 |
| JaneW | heh, cool | 01:58 |
| highvoltage | heno: i think it will look even nicer than the real ubuntu theme, since the sff theme is so nice and smooth, i'm downloading it now to play with it | 01:58 |
| JaneW | ogra: you ok with this? | 01:58 |
| highvoltage | pips1: yes, you're right, i think we can manage it by having weekly website meetings, and managing the site almost like the docteam does with it's documentation | 01:59 |
| ogra | i'm ok with everything you decide here, the people who have to work with it count ... | 01:59 |
| JaneW | ok, we can't change our minds again on this. | 01:59 |
| highvoltage | ie, set regular, small achievable goals, etc. | 01:59 |
| JaneW | so the final verdict is Drupal | 01:59 |
| JaneW | and highvoltage will make sure it gets done, and pips1 is going to help | 02:00 |
| JaneW | agreed? | 02:00 |
| === pips1 hopes that all moin supporters say something at this point | ||
| highvoltage | yes | 02:00 |
| Yagisan | I know I have nothing to do with this - but are either drupal or moin in main ? | 02:00 |
| ogra | one thing we should make sure is that we now *really* have a final decision ... we jumped back and forth with this topic ... | 02:00 |
| highvoltage | pips1: i think they (us) should be fine, since the moin site will remain | 02:00 |
| Yagisan | because I would not want to track security issues if eiter are not | 02:00 |
| heno | often the act of making a decision and getting on with it is more important than what the actual choice is | 02:00 |
| heno | So, I think this is a good thing | 02:01 |
| highvoltage | ok, so it's drupal, I'm emailing znarl on it, and that's the final word! | 02:01 |
| Yagisan | s/eiter/either | 02:01 |
| pips1 | ok, fine | 02:01 |
| pips1 | Yagisan, don't know about moin, but drupal isn't in main | 02:02 |
| pips1 | highvoltage, I recommend the drupal book that has come out not long ago | 02:02 |
| JaneW | I thin we did this democratically and we did give ppl notice of the meeting so they can't complain | 02:02 |
| JaneW | I'll send a follow-up note to the mailing list | 02:03 |
| heno | yep, good meeting. Thanks for inviting :) | 02:03 |
| pips1 | JaneW, yes, thanks! | 02:03 |
| === heno has to go now | ||
| highvoltage | thanks JaneW | 02:03 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: I have no idea what our dapper artwork will look like, but I like the current colour scheme etc that we have, so can you guys work with that | 02:03 |
| pips1 | heno, thanks for coming too! see you! | 02:03 |
| JaneW | thanks heno, I appreciate your input | 02:04 |
| === heno -> lunch | ||
| === JaneW needs lunch too | ||
| JaneW | it got frgotten today, and now my stomach is reminding me | 02:04 |
| pips1 | same here | 02:05 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: on that, it's definate that a professional is doing the artwork, right? | 02:05 |
| pips1 | highvoltage, so you definitely have some time this month, right? | 02:05 |
| pips1 | highvoltage, when can we get started? now? :-) | 02:06 |
| pips1 | (well, after lunch) | 02:07 |
| highvoltage | pips1: yes. i'm downloading drupal for local testing, and i'm sending that mail to KArl | 02:07 |
| pips1 | cool | 02:07 |
| highvoltage | pips1: i'm aiming to have a proto.edubuntu.org up by thursday | 02:07 |
| pips1 | nice | 02:07 |
| highvoltage | pips1: i will escalate pesting levels accordingly to get it done ;) | 02:07 |
| pips1 | hehe | 02:07 |
| Yagisan | pesting - oh no. sounds bad ; | 02:08 |
| Yagisan | is tha like being a pest | 02:08 |
| Yagisan | ? | 02:08 |
| pips1 | highvoltage, what's your preferred way of communicating? here on irc or mails? | 02:08 |
| Yagisan | gah - birthday girl is hitting the keyboard | 02:08 |
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| highvoltage | pips1: irc, unless i'm marked as away, then jabber and e-mail is best. | 02:09 |
| highvoltage | jabber is best even when i'm away, since messages will be kept until i log on | 02:09 |
| highvoltage | Yagisan: on edubuntu, i hope! | 02:09 |
| pips1 | ah, jabber, haven't used that before, what client are you using for that? | 02:10 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: she just turned 2, and no - she's on ubuntu proper | 02:10 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: yes we will have some prof work, one screensave, one splashscreen 9I think) and a CD civer design | 02:10 |
| pips1 | Yagisan, happy birthday to your daughter :-) | 02:11 |
| Yagisan | thank you pips1 | 02:12 |
| highvoltage | Yagisan: yes, happy birthday to your daughter! | 02:14 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: and LDM theme? | 02:15 |
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| JaneW | LDM? | 02:17 |
| Yagisan | Ltsp Display Manager | 02:18 |
| ogra | JaneW, you should really test our product :P | 02:18 |
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| divansantana | ogra: Hi its Divan again. | 02:18 |
| ogra | highvoltage, i think we can go with the colorset from gdm (whichever that finally will be) and just stick the logo on top ... | 02:19 |
| divansantana | I am loving this LTSP in Kubuntu! | 02:19 |
| ogra | (as it is now) | 02:19 |
| JaneW | ogra: lol | 02:19 |
| divansantana | Internal is loving it too. | 02:19 |
| JaneW | ogra: I have it on my laptop | 02:19 |
| Yagisan | JaneW: lies ! ;) | 02:19 |
| JaneW | want a screenshot? :P | 02:20 |
| ogra | JaneW, but you urgently need a LTSP lab .... (at least to decide about ldm themes) ;) | 02:20 |
| Yagisan | JaneW: of LDM sure :) | 02:20 |
| JaneW | I have even stopped putting picture of my kids as the wall paper, in favor of the edubuntu girl | 02:20 |
| ogra | heh | 02:20 |
| === ogra still has mustard on the screen :) | ||
| JaneW | but yes I need to see LTSP-proper in action | 02:21 |
| divansantana | ogra: Only problem is display manager (kdm/sdm/ldm - not sure??) is not sending out/accepting broadcasts XDMCP requests.Should I enable it in kdm file or xdm or ldm or neither? | 02:21 |
| JaneW | ogra: ! | 02:21 |
| Yagisan | JaneW: your poor kids. I tried to attach mine to the screen, but the bluetac isn't strong enough | 02:21 |
| ogra | divansantana, ubuntu ltsp doesnt use xdmcp at all | 02:21 |
| JaneW | Yagisan: use super glue! | 02:21 |
| Yagisan | divansantana: it is not supposed to send XDMCP request. that is not used | 02:21 |
| ogra | divansantana, ldm uses a ssh tunnel ... | 02:21 |
| highvoltage | ogra: that sounds good (what you described as ldm theme) | 02:22 |
| Yagisan | JaneW: I need something non-toxic, mum might want them back one day | 02:22 |
| ogra | Yagisan, yes, mustard is way easier to get on the screen than girls :) | 02:22 |
| divansantana | ogra:Ok, the old LTSP thin clients booted off a knoppix CD which simply search for any X servers and connects to it via etherboot i think. Can Ubuntu LTSP do the same? | 02:22 |
| JaneW | Yagisan: ok, peanut butter and jam/jelly | 02:22 |
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| highvoltage | JaneW: let me know when you're in at the office again | 02:23 |
| divansantana | At the moment get a gray screen with X cursor. But if boot off PXE works fine. | 02:23 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: i can always arrange a demo for you :) | 02:23 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: will do - thanks! | 02:23 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: were you affected by the power outage yesterday? | 02:23 |
| ogra | highvoltage, you noted that ldm already includes a edubuntu theme ? | 02:24 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: yes, so i finally started reading Free Culture | 02:24 |
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| JaneW | highvoltage: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20060220102611846C246718 I was wondering if I would be able to work today, we were off the whole day yesterday... | 02:24 |
| Yagisan | ogra: but girls look better ;) (her brother will be upset about that) | 02:24 |
| ogra | Yagisan, heh | 02:25 |
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| highvoltage | ogra: not yet, this weekend i played with flight3, and when i wanted to play with a thin client on it, our power went out. | 02:25 |
| highvoltage | grrrrr... | 02:25 |
| JaneW | ogra: you are a freak | 02:25 |
| ogra | JaneW, why ? | 02:25 |
| zakame | evening edubunteros! :D | 02:26 |
| ogra | hey zakame | 02:26 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: geez. this is the biggest power problem we've ever had | 02:26 |
| JaneW | ogra: nm, I read your comment again and now I understand, re the mustard ;) | 02:26 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: nod | 02:26 |
| zakame | hello ogra ! :D | 02:26 |
| ogra | JaneW, ah, kbecause i put mustard on my desk ... yes :) | 02:26 |
| JaneW | ogra: I though you were saying you prefered mustart to girls | 02:27 |
| ogra | lol | 02:27 |
| JaneW | tart? make that tard | 02:27 |
| Yagisan | JaneW: what were *you* thinking - naughty girl | 02:27 |
| JaneW | lol | 02:27 |
| ogra | JaneW, really.... there are girls in this world where i'd prefer mustard ... :) | 02:27 |
| JaneW | haha | 02:27 |
| ogra | if its good mustrad ... | 02:27 |
| Yagisan | ogra: I feel that looking at the locals ... | 02:27 |
| highvoltage | we should have a quotes.edubuntu.org for some of the things said in this channel, that mustard thing is real funny! | 02:28 |
| === Yagisan notes he can sound really harsh when slightly sick | ||
| ogra | Yagisan, oh, what good choices of local mustard are there in sydney ? | 02:28 |
| === ogra didnt even know ... | ||
| Yagisan | highvoltage: expect me in it at least once a week | 02:28 |
| divansantana | ogra:Ok, the old LTSP thin clients booted off a knoppix CD which simply search for any X servers and connects to it via etherboot i think. Can Ubuntu LTSP do the same? | 02:29 |
| divansantana | At the moment get a gray screen with X cursor. But if boot off PXE works fine. | 02:29 |
| divansantana | Sorry to but you Oliver, just not sure how to do that | 02:29 |
| Yagisan | ogra: well I like Australian mustard, nice and savoury, but Hot English is nice with Japanese food if you can't find Wasabi | 02:29 |
| ogra | divansantana, seems you run the ltsp.org classic ltsp ... that has not much to do with our ltsp implementation ... i'd guess you look at wiki.ltsp.org ... | 02:30 |
| Yagisan | but the "chicks" here - they only exist in the photoshopped pages of mens magazines - because I sure as hell don't see them outside | 02:31 |
| jsgotangco | nurse i need help!!! | 02:31 |
| ogra | Yagisan, ah, i thought you talked about the local mustard, indeed you meant the girls :) | 02:31 |
| Yagisan | divansantana: no - ubuntu ltsp does not work like that. that is an insecure method. | 02:32 |
| divansantana | ogra:I didn't do that implemtation at all, i promise. I install kubuntu breezy 5.10 and apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone & didnt run any ltsp-admin or whatever | 02:32 |
| pips1 | highvoltage, I tried sending you a message on jabber but no luck... | 02:32 |
| divansantana | ogra: This is only command I have run, ltsp-update-sshkeys could that break it? | 02:33 |
| ogra | divansantana, ah, moment ... you run a ubuntu ltsp .... and for testing you booted the client off a knoppix CD ? | 02:33 |
| ogra | divansantana, nope | 02:33 |
| highvoltage | pips1: i'm signed in and everything seems okay this side. | 02:33 |
| pips1 | highvoltage, I just signed up, my jabber name is pips1 | 02:34 |
| Yagisan | divansantana: I wrote an etherboot/pxe howto on the wiki. I'm sure ogra remembers the link | 02:34 |
| highvoltage | pips1: pips1@? | 02:34 |
| pips1 | yes | 02:34 |
| ogra | but you wont have luck with knoppix ... its using a local system based on, well, knoppix ... and will only work with old ltsp ... | 02:34 |
| highvoltage | pips1: @ what? @jabber.org? | 02:34 |
| ogra | can your users login on the server directly ? | 02:34 |
| Yagisan | divansantana: just make pxe compatable boot cd images, and it will work fine | 02:34 |
| pips1 | oh, yes, jabber.org (I think) | 02:34 |
| pips1 | sorry, new to this... | 02:35 |
| ogra | Yagisan, i think his clients do PXE as i understood the above there is only a login problem with the default setup | 02:35 |
| highvoltage | no problem | 02:35 |
| divansantana | ogra: yes, they can. and via FreeNX and via PXE from thin clients, just some NICs/BIOS dont support PXE | 02:35 |
| highvoltage | pips1: a jabber ID looks like an e-mail address, eg: highvoltage@jabberafrica.org or jonathan@jabber.org | 02:35 |
| ogra | divansantana, ah ... | 02:35 |
| Yagisan | ah | 02:35 |
| divansantana | ogra: Maybe like you said its because of knoppix doesnt work on ubuntu LTSP. I will try boot CD as per the wiki | 02:36 |
| ogra | divansantana, so Yagisans advise was right ... grab his howto and make boot CDs/floppies, whatever | 02:36 |
| ogra | yup | 02:36 |
| divansantana | Yagisan: Thanks I think it was your wiki that I have been reading. | 02:36 |
| ogra | that will solve it ... your etherboot clients will behave like PXE clients with it ... | 02:36 |
| divansantana | ogra: K will try that!! Thanks you TOO very much!! | 02:36 |
| divansantana | ogra: awesome I hope so!! Thanks as always!! | 02:37 |
| ogra | :) | 02:37 |
| === Yagisan needs to get around to updating that howto | ||
| ogra | just dont break it ;) its the second most read howto after the install notes ... i even recommend it in #ltsp :) | 02:38 |
| === ogra digs back into screensaver bugs | ||
| highvoltage | ogra: wow! | 02:39 |
| === highvoltage gets back to work too | ||
| Yagisan | ogra: I won't break it. But I *am* tempted to put my name back on it ;) | 02:40 |
| highvoltage | you know you spend too much time on IRC when you type /quit in gnome-terminal to close it. | 02:42 |
| highvoltage | although, i've pressed ^d in IRC a few times too :) | 02:43 |
| highvoltage | cheers, #edubuntu! | 02:45 |
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| Yagisan | hmm | 02:46 |
| Yagisan | Is it possible to set up a system wide wine install ? | 02:46 |
| Yagisan | it seems tedious to symlink magic all .wine directories | 02:47 |
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| bob | hey again ogra | 03:06 |
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| bob | what was that file i had to edit to set the screen res for clients? | 03:07 |
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| tuhl | ping ogra | 03:43 |
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| bob | hey again ogra | 03:56 |
| bob | what was that file i had to edit to set the screen res for clients? | 03:56 |
| spacey | mhz: ping | 04:07 |
| spacey | :) | 04:07 |
| tuhl | ogra_: ping | 04:08 |
| ogra_ | tuhl, pong | 04:09 |
| mhz | spacey: pong | 04:10 |
| mhz | hehe, lots of ping pong's | 04:10 |
| mhz | JaneW: hi there, already recovered 100% | 04:11 |
| JaneW | mhz: hi, you (or me?) | 04:11 |
| mhz | JaneW: you | 04:12 |
| JaneW | mhz: just packing up - going to gym shortly | 04:12 |
| JaneW | mhz: yes I am much better thanks | 04:12 |
| mhz | JaneW: oh, nice! | 04:12 |
| JaneW | mhz: I can't fully shake it though - odd | 04:12 |
| mhz | JaneW: any news from "your boss" ? | 04:12 |
| mhz | JaneW: LOL | 04:12 |
| JaneW | mhz: nada | 04:12 |
| mhz | :( | 04:12 |
| mhz | well, shall I just forget about his participation? | 04:12 |
| mhz | and move on? | 04:13 |
| spacey | mhz: i have a stupid question ;p | 04:16 |
| mhz | JaneW: ? | 04:16 |
| mhz | spacey: no question is ever stupid | 04:16 |
| spacey | if you ask someone his name in spanish? Como te llamas? | 04:16 |
| spacey | :P | 04:16 |
| spacey | tu | 04:17 |
| mhz | spacey: como te llamas? [it's perfect] | 04:17 |
| spacey | ok | 04:17 |
| spacey | great | 04:17 |
| spacey | :P | 04:17 |
| spacey | thanks | 04:17 |
| spacey | thanks senor hernandez | 04:17 |
| mhz | spacey: como se llama? [it's for people you want to show special respect, like older people] | 04:17 |
| spacey | i need spanish special characters ;p | 04:18 |
| mhz | spacey: yeah, but I dont use them unless I am writing docs or wiki | 04:18 |
| spacey | and if you reply to that? Soy spacey, ?Que es? (and you?) | 04:21 |
| spacey | :p | 04:21 |
| spacey | never thought i would abuse edubuntu for my spanish lessons ;p | 04:21 |
| mhz | spacey: Soy Mauricio / Me llamo Mauricio / Mauricio | 04:22 |
| mhz | spacey: y tu? / y tu como te llamas? / cual es tu nombre? | 04:23 |
| spacey | cool | 04:24 |
| spacey | thanks :) | 04:24 |
| mhz | spacey: no thanks! U$500 cash! | 04:24 |
| Yagisan | ripoff!! | 04:24 |
| mhz | :D | 04:25 |
| spacey | grazias :p | 04:25 |
| spacey | & sue me ;p | 04:25 |
| mhz | lol | 04:26 |
| Yagisan | spacey: got enough assets to make it worth our while ;) | 04:26 |
| Yagisan | class action - quick lets clean him out ;) | 04:26 |
| spacey | i got insurance for laywer costs ;p | 04:27 |
| spacey | Yagisan: too bad i don't live in usa ;p | 04:27 |
| Yagisan | spacey: yeah, I should have checked your info first | 04:28 |
| Yagisan | spacey: .nl right ? | 04:28 |
| spacey | fortunately dutch law system is not as crappy as usa ;p | 04:28 |
| spacey | yeah | 04:29 |
| mhz | .oO(these people are nuts) | 04:29 |
| Yagisan | spacey: one day you to will sign a "free" trade agreement and have to import that crap wholesale | 04:29 |
| spacey | hehe | 04:29 |
| spacey | the day I emigrate | 04:30 |
| Yagisan | spacey: down under the politicions where smoking some bad stuff and signed a FTA with the USA. now the USA is trying to abolish our cheap medicines | 04:31 |
| Yagisan | spacey: so people here can die, if they can afford inflated medicine costs from USA based companies | 04:32 |
| Yagisan | s/can/can't | 04:32 |
| Yagisan | bah s/can afford/can't afford | 04:32 |
| spacey | i don't think EU knows what Free Trade is | 04:32 |
| Yagisan | spacey: USA doesn't. It thinks it means it can sell to you, but you can't sell to it | 04:33 |
| spacey | :> | 04:33 |
| spacey | sucks | 04:33 |
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| spacey | ask me in half a year if i like the people | 04:39 |
| spacey | i'll go there on holiday this summer :) | 04:39 |
| Yagisan | spacey: I've only met the ones here on holiday, they seem nice | 04:39 |
| spacey | :> | 04:39 |
| spacey | i never go to amsterdam, so i never meet them | 04:40 |
| Yagisan | spacey: although I have no intention of going there - they like to arrest security expects on dmca clauses when you arrive | 04:41 |
| Yagisan | s/expects/experts | 04:41 |
| Yagisan | spacey: amsterdam, isn't that where pot is legal ? | 04:41 |
| spacey | Yagisan: its legal in the entire netherlands however amsterdam is popular with the tourists | 04:44 |
| Yagisan | spacey: it seems to cause mental issues if you have too much of the stuff | 04:47 |
| spacey | depends | 04:47 |
| Yagisan | spacey: I know/knew some people that it seems to have stuffed with their heads | 04:47 |
| spacey | after you smoke it | 04:48 |
| spacey | it has quite some effect ofcourse | 04:48 |
| Yagisan | I can be around people smoking it, the fumes cause me to get bad headaches | 04:48 |
| Yagisan | s/can/can't | 04:48 |
| spacey | however on the long term it shouldn't. Unless you have some mental problems. | 04:49 |
| spacey | if you have some mental diseases its not so wise. Especially if you already have high risk of getting mental disease. Smoking it a lot in your youth is a really bad thing. | 04:50 |
| spacey | s/youth/teens | 04:51 |
| Yagisan | spacey: yeah, the sperm donor that knocked my mother up (well, you can't be a father if you aren't there) was a real big pot head when he was a teen. He's now rather odd | 04:52 |
| Yagisan | spacey: I'm rather surprised I made it, because it does wonders for your sperm count | 04:53 |
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| spacey | well people can be odd without pot as well | 04:54 |
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| jsgotangco | err you really had to be so detailed wit the sperm donor bit? | 04:54 |
| Yagisan | true, but like alcohol, it seems too much is not a good idea | 04:55 |
| spacey | imo its almost the same as alcohol | 04:55 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: well, she didn't go to a sperm donor, but he was never there, so he may as well have been | 04:55 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: there a lesson there. Never forget your kids, or one day they will kick your arse. | 04:56 |
| spacey | imo you miss the good stuff in life if you smoke pot too much | 04:56 |
| spacey | and it makes you lazy | 04:56 |
| Yagisan | or drink to much | 04:56 |
| spacey | although there are exceptions | 04:57 |
| spacey | mostly depends on how strong you will/personality is. | 04:57 |
| jsgotangco | oh well | 04:57 |
| jsgotangco | later | 04:57 |
| Yagisan | ./me casts +10 stubborn bastard on himself | 04:57 |
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| Yagisan | jsgotangco: catch you later | 04:58 |
| Yagisan | spacey: One day I'd like to visit .nl with the missus while traveling around europe. Bit hard to do it with small kids though | 05:00 |
| spacey | hm yeah | 05:00 |
| spacey | well | 05:00 |
| spacey | have to wait till they grow up | 05:01 |
| spacey | :> | 05:01 |
| spacey | i guess | 05:01 |
| spacey | time to mentally prepare for spanish lesson with some anime ;p | 05:01 |
| spacey | and then i'm off | 05:01 |
| spacey | cya | 05:01 |
| Yagisan | cya spacey | 05:01 |
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| Yagisan | night all | 05:08 |
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| mhz | ogra: I have been invited to talk about current dev. status of dapper, the way Ubuntu community works, how to join teams, and the areas which need more volutneers on regular basis. | 08:48 |
| mhz | ogra: obviously , I only have little ideas on those subjects. Do you have a presentation about this, so I can use it as base? | 08:48 |
| Burgwork | mhz, there are some presentations on the wiki you can freely steal from | 08:49 |
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| mhz | Burgwork: yeah, I know, it is just faster to ask before reading one by one (if they were in the wiki format, they would be easy to track and find :D ) | 08:53 |
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