=== dinda [n=dinda@cpe-72-177-131-147.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === dinda [n=dinda@cpe-72-177-131-147.houston.res.rr.com] has left #edubuntu [] === TOZTWO [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.227.14.239.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === pitux_ [n=pitux@236-240-90.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp134-160.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp134-160.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@210.213.77.187] has joined #edubuntu === ulinskie [n=yolynne@202.57.88.34] has joined #edubuntu === sniff [n=sniff@218.25.204.36] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.93.243.182] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.93.243.182] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.134.119] has joined #edubuntu === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-71-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp134-160.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === C-O-L-T [n=hunika@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [06:40] ogra: howdy. the ubuntu announce list mentions en edubuntu flight 4 cd. is it available yet? === jjjjjjj [n=jdumont@216.187.78.202.novuscom.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:11] hi, anyone here? === zakame [n=zak@203.215.86.76] has joined #edubuntu [07:12] hi zakame === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp134-160.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:13] heya jjjjjjj :D [07:13] can i ask a q: ? [07:14] i would like to setup edubuntu as a server and have thin clients connect to it. is this feature built in or do i do freenx for that task? [07:14] i would like to setup edubuntu as a server and have thin clients connect to it. is this feature built in or do i do freenx for that task? [07:15] and... do them thin client pc's need a hard drive. [07:15] jjjjjjj: it has it built-in, it just requires some post-install configuration [07:18] sudo apt-get something? [07:22] i did try sudo apt-get install desktop-server yesterday but saw no real difference from edubuntu-desktop === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-132-48.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [07:33] how proficient should one be with edubuntu if he/she wants to try any Testing? === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === TOZII [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.226.225.229.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:40] well just in case someone else asks the same question I did about terminal servers maybe send them here. [07:40] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Chapter_5_-_Thin-Client_Computing?highlight=%28thin-client%29 [07:41] thank you and goodbye. === jjjjjjj [n=jdumont@216.187.78.202.novuscom.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [07:41] nice nick === Snake__ [n=snake@adsl-65-43-232-224.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #edubuntu === Snake__ [n=snake@adsl-65-43-232-224.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has left #edubuntu ["Konversation] === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.93.243.182] has joined #edubuntu [08:11] hey guys i just uploaded an updated edubuntu release notes and should build in doc.ubuntu.com in a few minutes [08:11] still need to check other stuff === Kamping_Kaise1 [n=Kaiser@ppp134-160.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:18] oh wait a bit [08:18] i just remembered [08:18] 5.10 didn't have PPC! === Kamping_Kaise1 [n=Kaiser@ppp134-160.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:30] jsgotangco: i see an irc message from you made it onto the flight 4 page :) [09:30] lol [09:30] it was staged [09:32] :) [09:32] im building a quick guide page for the distro at the moment [09:32] (edubuntu) [09:41] nice [09:41] jsgotangco: i'm building up a text file with comments i'm going to send to ogra [09:41] jsgotangco: it included some things for that start page [09:41] whats in that? [09:41] ahhh [09:42] for instance, i think we should have links in that page to the local installation of schooltool [09:42] because there's no real link to it anywhere in the entire edubuntu UI [09:42] doc.ubuntu.com doesn't seem to build my current work so if you have a working copy of ubuntu-docs from svn just update [09:42] ok === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.123.165] has joined #edubuntu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === pingu64 [n=jsg@125.212.123.165] has joined #edubuntu === ippfx [n=irvin@203.213.196.252] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-7-100-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [11:12] JaneW, i've made previews of docs for edubuntu at doc.ubuntu.com [11:13] at the moment it just contains release notes and about edubuntu [11:13] i'll try to finish up the prelimiary quickguide TOC for review [11:18] jsgotangco: great I'll have a look at soon as I can === pips1 [n=philipp@239.58.202.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #edubuntu [12:47] hi all [12:47] JaneW, the meeting about the edubuntu website is about to start, right? [12:49] oh dang, yes [12:49] it's slipped my mind, because I didn't set a reminder... [12:49] JaneW, you forget! [12:49] *blush* [12:49] :-) [12:49] been arranging 3 sprints.... [12:49] woah [12:50] well, I made some progress with the drupal test site in the last four days [12:51] cool [12:51] we have 5 mins right? [12:51] I'll brb [12:51] so, I guess people can have a peek... to inform their views regarding the future Edubuntu website [12:51] JaneW, sure [12:55] ok back - will be having lunch very late today ;) [12:55] I had no idea so much of the day had passed already! [12:55] are the other suspects here? [12:55] highvoltage, mhz and hno73? === JaneW looks for hno73 [12:56] hi there === heno [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [12:56] hello highvoltage [12:56] wonder where mhz is...? [12:56] hi heno [12:56] hi JaneW [12:57] btw if everone doesn't know; heno = hno73 [12:57] heno is easier to pronounce than hno73, i'm glad he changed it [12:57] yeah, sorry about the change of nick :p [12:57] :) [12:57] ok, cool :) [12:58] heno: it looks like you get to be moin advocate [12:58] mhz is missing [12:58] heh, ok [12:58] we need to get this sorted out today, once and for all [12:58] yes, please! [12:59] shall we hear from the drupal corner and agree that unless drupal can convince us, we default to Moin? [12:59] ok === sniff [n=sniff@218.25.204.36] has joined #edubuntu [12:59] pips1: no pressure ;) [12:59] I think your point was good that whoever ends up maintaining it should have a key say === pips1 is sweating and near to a nervous breakdown [01:00] ;-) [01:00] heno, agreed [01:00] (which I don't plan on doing btw :) ) [01:00] JaneW: i think both are great, so if it's not drupal, it should certainly be moin, and vice-versa [01:00] heno: right, I think that's the crux [01:00] yeah, the maintenance is the big question [01:01] highvoltage: ita, to me it makes no difference, so like I say the person who gets the job so be happy and excited about what they are working on [01:01] I don't know very much about the workings of drupal, so I wouldn't mind seeing a deployment up close anyway [01:01] so do we know who will own it, or are there several part-time volunteers? [01:01] but, let's see what people think about drupal ... they can have a look at the test site i whipped up in the last few days [01:01] ok, the floor is yours [01:01] pips1: URL? [01:02] there's not really much on that drupal site :/ [01:02] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSiteUnderDevelopment?action=show [01:02] highvoltage, you are right! [01:03] the url are just a few important remarks about the test site [01:03] basically, it's a really old crummy test server, just to show you guys drupal quick, and then I will take the site down again... [01:04] here is the test site url : spock.isz.ch [01:04] pips1: I was reading that whole page looking for the link to the site! [01:05] JaneW, that was on purpose! ;-) [01:05] hehe [01:05] pips1: thanks - not [01:05] JaneW: he very tactfully forced you to read the entire page ;) [01:05] pips1++ [01:05] pips1: how easy is it to change the skin? [01:05] very easy [01:06] i can switch some skins right now for you guys :-) [01:06] Q:will we have to creat new logins for whichever is chosen? [01:06] pips1: please do... [01:06] maybe I wait a couple of mins so you can have a look at what's there now [01:06] pips1: that's the default look right? [01:07] JaneW, new logins when we switch a skin?? no. [01:07] JaneW: drupal supports XML RPC so it should be possible to use your launchpad account, iiuc [01:07] JaneW, yes, that's the default look [01:07] pips1: I mean we currently have wiki logins [01:07] changing skins can be easy, but making a good skin takes time ... [01:07] highvoltage: ok thanks [01:07] heno, you are right about skins taking time [01:07] although for these pages we don;t want general public access necessarily [01:08] btw, I realised that The Fridge is running with Drupal... does anybody know who maintains the fridge? === ippfx [n=irvin@203.213.196.252] has joined #edubuntu [01:08] heno/ pips1 : would it mean redesigning for drupal, or could the moin look be imported in some way? [01:08] pips1: daniel robitalle I think [01:08] JaneW, I guess we could modify the fridge skin... [01:09] JaneW: much of the CSS and images could be ported I'm sure [01:09] the fridge has a nice skin, but we'd need to give it an edubuntu look [01:09] well, we'd have to ask daniel robitalle === C-O-L-T [n=hunika@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu [01:09] I didn't realise the Fridge used Drupal, cool. [01:09] JaneW, agreed === pingu64 [n=jsg@125.212.126.231] has joined #edubuntu [01:09] ok so who will run OUR site [01:09] ok, let me change the skin quick, just for fun [01:10] pips1: you weren't able to give us much time before [01:10] jdub did much of the design work for the Fridge I think [01:10] which is understandable [01:10] done, this is the spreadfirefox theme [01:10] I expect in this case we will have a lot of work initially, and then things will settle down [01:11] I like that one more [01:11] pips1: do you have the time resources to run the edubuntu drupal site? [01:11] Ah, that's cool === highvoltage likes the sff theme [01:11] after the initial intensive work, we will need someone to do ad hoc edits with a reasonable response time [01:12] Another key question: what will the site mainly be used for? [01:12] community contributions? [01:12] and then add new stuff and remove old every few months prolly [01:12] highvoltage, well i have some time, because I currently work part-time only, but it would be on an volunteer basis, it would be good if we can share the responsability and help each other out... [01:12] I'd prefer to see 2/3 ppl contributing [01:12] pips1: i'm willing to do that. i had lots of ideas for the original drupal site too [01:12] but I think 1 person should lead [01:12] JaneW, agreed [01:13] at the moment my time looks better too, it seems that my free time will be better for at least the next month or so. [01:13] I am happy to help [01:13] heno and highvoltage did a fantastic job last time [01:13] I'd be happy for highvoltage to have the lead... [01:13] or whoever volunteers [01:13] but we haven't really made changes since then [01:13] JaneW: thanks, heno did a fantastic job on the layout though, i have to give him credit there. [01:13] and I think we need to focus on adding new stuff and keeping up to date and interesting now [01:14] JaneW, yes, content is king [01:14] yes, mostly because we've been jumping between drupal and moin [01:14] yes, I was surprised, I didn't expect our site and wiki to be as fab as they are :)) [01:14] and partially because we've used moin mostly anyway for pages that should change [01:14] highvoltage: nah, you had already done the basic design, I just tweaked :) [01:15] can we make a call? Drupal vs Moin? [01:15] but I also think that navigation is important, and the site should be very newbie friendly, since we are dealing with educators and kids... [01:15] pips1: yes agreed [01:15] ultimately we should have sections for diff users [01:15] JaneW, you want to decide already ?! [01:15] are there more arguments to be heard? [01:15] I haven't even pointed out some of the features, heck! [01:15] perhaps I should show a moin site as well? [01:15] i'm fine with both, but since mhz isn't here, i think it's important to note why the moin site is a good option [01:15] http://www.theopencd.org/ [01:15] the fact that the frdige is using drupal means the deicision to go there is not that 'out there' [01:16] is one I put up recently [01:16] heno: and www.ubuntu.com of course ;) [01:16] it's what ubuntu.com uses too, and users are used to editing pages in both [01:16] It has some locked down pages in front and more of an open wiki elsewhere [01:16] JaneW: ah, that too [01:16] heh [01:16] heno: that's the single most nicest moin page i've ever seen [01:17] I like the crsip neatness of drupal and the frames, but I think moin could have those too [01:17] so I am completely undecided [01:17] highvoltage: are you and heno in a mutual flattery club? ;) [01:17] http://www2.canonical.com/ is another [01:17] heno, wow you even got a forum in there! [01:17] JaneW: seems so, yes :P [01:18] pips1: It's a bit of a fake forum [01:18] but it sort of works [01:18] JaneW, I know that the design is what appeals to everybody, but don't forget the features... :-) [01:19] Good point. What features do we need? [01:19] the forum is quite nice, if it stays low-volume [01:19] How should a community contributor go about submitting something? [01:19] pips1: ok tlak about the features, cos all I know is the look so far... [01:19] well, i think there are lots of features in use in the "ubuntu world" but they are a bit strewn all over different platforms/tools... [01:20] what's a big ++ for drupal, is the structure it provides [01:20] How tight should the editorial control be, etc? [01:20] well are we going to do a gallery or will that stay on art.u.c? [01:20] i think it should be on the drupal site, but there's no reason why it couldn't be on both, right? [01:21] highvoltage: the problem I have foubd with structured CMSes though is that structure becomes limiting [01:21] heno: I think we should keep a few front pages with restricted access [01:21] stopping you from laying things out the way you want [01:21] heno: i think i know what you mean, but in which way does it become limiting the most? [01:21] heno: is it that "stuck inside the box" factor? [01:21] oh i see. [01:21] yes [01:21] heno, regarding editorial control, that's somewhat a political/policy question, personally, I like the open approach of wikis very much, I think it's the way forward, but on the other hand, a wiki needs a bit of learning and I think we could provide a more welcoming experience with some nicely done site [01:22] I even wrote a rand about it http://www.theopencd.org/news/2005/newsite :) [01:23] the reason why i think drupal is a good reason, is because i think more people will be likely to contribute at this stage. technically, moin is nicer. overall, i think that drupal is the best short-term solution (short term being the next year or so) [01:23] heno, regarding structure: that is the main strong point of drupal: it's not so different from a wiki, i.e. free floating pages, but you can then assign those pages with some structure, during creation (by the author) or afterwards (e.g. by a site architect) [01:24] pips1: yep. We once had a teacher use the official SFD wiki as a teaching tool, getting his kids to set up hundreads of random pages there. A bit of a mess [01:24] though we were getting spammed ... [01:25] heno, huh? what was getting spammed? [01:25] ah, I understood [01:25] pips1: that souds pretty good, like topic tags in gmail [01:25] drupal's access control is simple to understand (unlike zope2 e.g.) but quite powerful [01:26] yes, the new version of drupal (which is in beta 4 and about to be released) features "free tagging" VERY NICE [01:26] The moin ACL is poweful and flexible, but a bit of a mess to set up; the syntax is confusing [01:27] the ubuntu wiki has no access control at all, amazingly it works [01:27] heno, highvoltage, JaneW - I can send you some account login details, then you can have a look "behind the scenes" [01:27] pips1: ok thanks [01:28] pips1: that would be cool [01:28] pips1: i'm familiar with drupals interface, i don't think i need one === pips1 fires up thunderbird to send those emails he prepared earlier [01:28] perhaps also of interest, check all the plug-ins and skins available at http://www.drupal.org [01:28] there's a huge community behind it [01:28] what about the hosting itself? where will the site be? [01:28] heno: good point [01:29] heno: on the edubuntu server [01:29] is that a data center server? [01:29] ok, i sent emails to heno, highvoltage and JaneW [01:29] heno: yes, it's name is orcadas.ubuntu.com [01:30] pips1: would obviously need access to that [01:30] does anybody else here want to have a look ? [01:30] ty [01:30] ah, ok [01:30] heno: it's a big server that currenly hosts 3 html pages :) [01:30] heno: and that's it! [01:30] ah, yes I remember now [01:31] do you need shell access to admin a drupal site? [01:31] heno, don't know, lemme check [01:32] with moin, you probably do because we're using it in a non-standard way [01:32] highvoltage: we have our OWn server? [01:32] no, you don't need shell access for drupal admin [01:32] highvoltage: I thought we just had some space on another server? [01:32] JaneW: yes, for all practical purposes === sniff [n=sniff@218.61.187.134] has joined #edubuntu [01:33] i think heno has root, i'm not 100% sure [01:33] heno, no, you don't need root access [01:33] no I don't have root access to any DC machines [01:34] just the external pronto servers [01:34] JaneW: nope, initially we were going to get an account with an isp, but currently (and for the last 6 months), www.edubuntu.com is the only thing running from that server [01:34] highvoltage: oic [01:34] highvoltage: and the technicalities of getting Moin vs Drupal on there... is there much difference? [01:34] JaneW: sorry, i see testbed.kubuntu.org is also on that server now [01:35] highvoltage: you said we needed the sys admins involved... [01:35] hey, nobody participated in the poll yet, under "Contribute" ;-) [01:35] it's a shame that flint isn't here [01:35] JaneW: yes, znarl was just about to install drupal when i stopped him last time [01:35] pips1: er, no it's not! [01:35] pips1: what poll? [01:35] drupal is python based? [01:35] on the test site, under 'contribute' [01:36] heno, no php === JaneW looks [01:36] wheres the testsite? [01:37] oh, sorry, I remember, i disabled participating in polls for anonymous users, so you need to login with the details in the mail i sent... [01:37] pips1: LOL [01:37] spacey, spock.isz.ch [01:38] and the admins are fine with a php-based site? [01:38] dapper drake is a duck as well =) [01:39] How is the data stored? in a database? how do version upgrades work? How easy is it to dump the content out of the system? [01:39] heno, in a sql database, either mysql or preferably, postgresql [01:40] small version upgrades can be done with patch files === heno could never get the hang of databases [01:40] large version upgrades also, I think, need to check [01:41] re dumping the content, hmm, don't know, I think there are some export options, the latest version definitely supports exports to docbook === TOZTWO [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.227.29.249.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:43] How much existing data do we have that needs to be transfered? will we still use the wiki for much of it? [01:43] so, what do we do now... i expected some more of the usual suspects to be here.. including the documentation folk, ... === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #edubuntu [01:45] The drupal solution looks fine to me (though I don't know much about the technical aspects) [01:45] heno, I think the wiki will still be used for much of the free flowing user contributions, but the point of the official site is to give newbies a nice base to get started, and offer ONE place for that... i.e. there is an forum on the site.... [01:45] I'd be happy to give advice on the layout and skinning of it [01:45] heno, cool [01:46] ok, so do we have a verdict? [01:46] pips1: right real new newbies seem to like forums [01:46] highvoltage, you have gone a bit quiet === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [01:46] shall we have a quick vote? [01:46] sorry, multitasking [01:46] the four of us will vote? :-) [01:46] or does anyone want to represent Moin quickly, to be fair? [01:47] I think let's vote here, then send results to mailing list [01:47] what happened to supporter no. 1? [01:47] mhz [01:47] ? [01:47] one question, kind of in the defense of moin [01:47] if there is no outcry the vote stands... [01:47] pips1: I dunno [01:47] what will happen to all the existing moin pages, will we keep them, and continue to use the moin for the wiki [01:47] and keep both? or just have the drupal site? [01:48] well the ubuntu wiki is moin... [01:48] and we tag onto that [01:48] it's merged [01:48] so I guess it has to stay moin... [01:48] so if we use drupal, we use both the druap site and moin? [01:48] highvoltage, I think we should have the wiki as a place for community contributions from more experienced folk [01:49] we need ppl to be able to search the ubuntu pages for support [01:49] in that case, we have very little to loose, becaulse we'll have the functionality of both [01:49] highvoltage: right, it;s just that we have to maintain both [01:49] highvoltage, yep [01:49] which could be an issue [01:49] JaneW, yep [01:49] in that case, i'm all for the drupal site [01:49] unless you drupal folk do it as you say :)) [01:49] ok, let the voting begin [01:50] all in favor of Drupal say +1 [01:50] +1 [01:50] I will officially abstain so that mhz doesn't loose all faih in me :) === JaneW kicks pips1 [01:50] highvoltage, but to be clear, the current edubuntu site content (locked pages) will be moved to drupal, and only the open wiki part will be kept at wiki.ubuntu.com [01:50] right? [01:51] pips1: yes, the locked pages [01:51] sounds right [01:51] +1 [01:51] :-) [01:51] anyone else? [01:51] you? [01:51] ogra: ? [01:51] ogra, ping! === JaneW is still undecided ... [01:52] I like the idea of drupal [01:52] but moin seems safer (yet somehow less exciting) [01:52] ok so far 2 to Drupal [01:52] pong [01:52] morning, sorry, had a late night [01:52] JaneW, you said it yourself in the mail you sent out, before voting on drupal vs. moin, we need to decided on who is the main person responsible... [01:53] :-) [01:53] all in favour of Moin say +2 (just so it's dfferent) [01:53] pips1: right, so who will take ownership? [01:53] JaneW, that is so far out, your voting technique === pips1 is rolling on the floor laughing [01:53] heno/ highvoltage/ pips1/ ogra / mhz: ??^^ [01:54] pips1: yeah sorry I didn't think it through very carefully... *blush* [01:54] I still think Moin is a better choice, but it does take some care and feeding when used as a CMS [01:54] i can take ownership [01:54] ok for Drupal say Drupal+1, for Moin say Moin+1 [01:54] sorry, i've had some interruptions. aaagh! there's the phone again [01:54] highvoltage: will you manage it? I mean can spare the time? [01:55] highvoltage, good stuff!!! [01:55] applause! please [01:55] pips1: and are you commiting to help? [01:55] JaneW, sure, as I said, i'm glad to help [01:55] *bounce* [01:56] well then it's up to you and highvoltage really [01:56] and you both said drupal [01:56] JaneW: at least for the next month or so, yes [01:56] JaneW: after that, if things get as busy again as they were recently, i'll find a replacement [01:56] highvoltage, you seem rather uncertain... [01:57] pips1: it's definately something i want to do [01:57] pips1: and i have time now [01:57] ok [01:57] highvoltage: well then we will take it now [01:57] pips1: once most of the site is up, the maintenance won't be so much [01:57] It looks ike the spread firefox theme can be modified fairly easily to look edubuntu-ish [01:58] however if you 2 vanish and mhz and heno are left 'holding the baby' I will hunt you both down.. ok? [01:58] heno: i saw the same thing === JaneW bats eyelids [01:58] change the header image and some colours [01:58] JaneW: yes, that's fine with me [01:58] highvoltage, yeah, getting the site up is the greatest effort, but I think the *content* needs constant encouragement... [01:58] heh, cool [01:58] heno: i think it will look even nicer than the real ubuntu theme, since the sff theme is so nice and smooth, i'm downloading it now to play with it [01:58] ogra: you ok with this? [01:59] pips1: yes, you're right, i think we can manage it by having weekly website meetings, and managing the site almost like the docteam does with it's documentation [01:59] i'm ok with everything you decide here, the people who have to work with it count ... [01:59] ok, we can't change our minds again on this. [01:59] ie, set regular, small achievable goals, etc. [01:59] so the final verdict is Drupal [02:00] and highvoltage will make sure it gets done, and pips1 is going to help [02:00] agreed? === pips1 hopes that all moin supporters say something at this point [02:00] yes [02:00] I know I have nothing to do with this - but are either drupal or moin in main ? [02:00] one thing we should make sure is that we now *really* have a final decision ... we jumped back and forth with this topic ... [02:00] pips1: i think they (us) should be fine, since the moin site will remain [02:00] because I would not want to track security issues if eiter are not [02:00] often the act of making a decision and getting on with it is more important than what the actual choice is [02:01] So, I think this is a good thing [02:01] ok, so it's drupal, I'm emailing znarl on it, and that's the final word! [02:01] s/eiter/either [02:01] ok, fine [02:02] Yagisan, don't know about moin, but drupal isn't in main [02:02] highvoltage, I recommend the drupal book that has come out not long ago [02:02] I thin we did this democratically and we did give ppl notice of the meeting so they can't complain [02:03] I'll send a follow-up note to the mailing list [02:03] yep, good meeting. Thanks for inviting :) [02:03] JaneW, yes, thanks! === heno has to go now [02:03] thanks JaneW [02:03] highvoltage: I have no idea what our dapper artwork will look like, but I like the current colour scheme etc that we have, so can you guys work with that [02:03] heno, thanks for coming too! see you! [02:04] thanks heno, I appreciate your input === heno -> lunch === JaneW needs lunch too [02:04] it got frgotten today, and now my stomach is reminding me [02:05] same here [02:05] JaneW: on that, it's definate that a professional is doing the artwork, right? [02:05] highvoltage, so you definitely have some time this month, right? [02:06] highvoltage, when can we get started? now? :-) [02:07] (well, after lunch) [02:07] pips1: yes. i'm downloading drupal for local testing, and i'm sending that mail to KArl [02:07] cool [02:07] pips1: i'm aiming to have a proto.edubuntu.org up by thursday [02:07] nice [02:07] pips1: i will escalate pesting levels accordingly to get it done ;) [02:07] hehe [02:08] pesting - oh no. sounds bad ; [02:08] is tha like being a pest [02:08] ? [02:08] highvoltage, what's your preferred way of communicating? here on irc or mails? [02:08] gah - birthday girl is hitting the keyboard === sniff [n=sniff@218.61.187.134] has joined #edubuntu [02:09] pips1: irc, unless i'm marked as away, then jabber and e-mail is best. [02:09] jabber is best even when i'm away, since messages will be kept until i log on [02:09] Yagisan: on edubuntu, i hope! [02:10] ah, jabber, haven't used that before, what client are you using for that? [02:10] highvoltage: she just turned 2, and no - she's on ubuntu proper [02:10] highvoltage: yes we will have some prof work, one screensave, one splashscreen 9I think) and a CD civer design [02:11] Yagisan, happy birthday to your daughter :-) [02:12] thank you pips1 [02:14] Yagisan: yes, happy birthday to your daughter! [02:15] JaneW: and LDM theme? === divansantana [n=divan@196.41.208.238] has joined #edubuntu [02:17] LDM? [02:18] Ltsp Display Manager [02:18] JaneW, you should really test our product :P === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #edubuntu [02:18] ogra: Hi its Divan again. [02:19] highvoltage, i think we can go with the colorset from gdm (whichever that finally will be) and just stick the logo on top ... [02:19] I am loving this LTSP in Kubuntu! [02:19] (as it is now) [02:19] ogra: lol [02:19] Internal is loving it too. [02:19] ogra: I have it on my laptop [02:19] JaneW: lies ! ;) [02:20] want a screenshot? :P [02:20] JaneW, but you urgently need a LTSP lab .... (at least to decide about ldm themes) ;) [02:20] JaneW: of LDM sure :) [02:20] I have even stopped putting picture of my kids as the wall paper, in favor of the edubuntu girl [02:20] heh === ogra still has mustard on the screen :) [02:21] but yes I need to see LTSP-proper in action [02:21] ogra: Only problem is display manager (kdm/sdm/ldm - not sure??) is not sending out/accepting broadcasts XDMCP requests.Should I enable it in kdm file or xdm or ldm or neither? [02:21] ogra: ! [02:21] JaneW: your poor kids. I tried to attach mine to the screen, but the bluetac isn't strong enough [02:21] divansantana, ubuntu ltsp doesnt use xdmcp at all [02:21] Yagisan: use super glue! [02:21] divansantana: it is not supposed to send XDMCP request. that is not used [02:21] divansantana, ldm uses a ssh tunnel ... [02:22] ogra: that sounds good (what you described as ldm theme) [02:22] JaneW: I need something non-toxic, mum might want them back one day [02:22] Yagisan, yes, mustard is way easier to get on the screen than girls :) [02:22] ogra:Ok, the old LTSP thin clients booted off a knoppix CD which simply search for any X servers and connects to it via etherboot i think. Can Ubuntu LTSP do the same? [02:22] Yagisan: ok, peanut butter and jam/jelly === bob [n=NRKbob@host-87-75-129-152.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #edubuntu [02:23] JaneW: let me know when you're in at the office again [02:23] At the moment get a gray screen with X cursor. But if boot off PXE works fine. [02:23] JaneW: i can always arrange a demo for you :) [02:23] highvoltage: will do - thanks! [02:23] highvoltage: were you affected by the power outage yesterday? [02:24] highvoltage, you noted that ldm already includes a edubuntu theme ? [02:24] JaneW: yes, so i finally started reading Free Culture === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu [02:24] highvoltage: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20060220102611846C246718 I was wondering if I would be able to work today, we were off the whole day yesterday... [02:24] ogra: but girls look better ;) (her brother will be upset about that) [02:25] Yagisan, heh === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu [02:25] ogra: not yet, this weekend i played with flight3, and when i wanted to play with a thin client on it, our power went out. [02:25] grrrrr... [02:25] ogra: you are a freak [02:25] JaneW, why ? [02:26] evening edubunteros! :D [02:26] hey zakame [02:26] JaneW: geez. this is the biggest power problem we've ever had [02:26] ogra: nm, I read your comment again and now I understand, re the mustard ;) [02:26] highvoltage: nod [02:26] hello ogra ! :D [02:26] JaneW, ah, kbecause i put mustard on my desk ... yes :) [02:27] ogra: I though you were saying you prefered mustart to girls [02:27] lol [02:27] tart? make that tard [02:27] JaneW: what were *you* thinking - naughty girl [02:27] lol [02:27] JaneW, really.... there are girls in this world where i'd prefer mustard ... :) [02:27] haha [02:27] if its good mustrad ... [02:27] ogra: I feel that looking at the locals ... [02:28] we should have a quotes.edubuntu.org for some of the things said in this channel, that mustard thing is real funny! === Yagisan notes he can sound really harsh when slightly sick [02:28] Yagisan, oh, what good choices of local mustard are there in sydney ? === ogra didnt even know ... [02:28] highvoltage: expect me in it at least once a week [02:29] ogra:Ok, the old LTSP thin clients booted off a knoppix CD which simply search for any X servers and connects to it via etherboot i think. Can Ubuntu LTSP do the same? [02:29] At the moment get a gray screen with X cursor. But if boot off PXE works fine. [02:29] Sorry to but you Oliver, just not sure how to do that [02:29] ogra: well I like Australian mustard, nice and savoury, but Hot English is nice with Japanese food if you can't find Wasabi [02:30] divansantana, seems you run the ltsp.org classic ltsp ... that has not much to do with our ltsp implementation ... i'd guess you look at wiki.ltsp.org ... [02:31] but the "chicks" here - they only exist in the photoshopped pages of mens magazines - because I sure as hell don't see them outside [02:31] nurse i need help!!! [02:31] Yagisan, ah, i thought you talked about the local mustard, indeed you meant the girls :) [02:32] divansantana: no - ubuntu ltsp does not work like that. that is an insecure method. [02:32] ogra:I didn't do that implemtation at all, i promise. I install kubuntu breezy 5.10 and apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone & didnt run any ltsp-admin or whatever [02:32] highvoltage, I tried sending you a message on jabber but no luck... [02:33] ogra: This is only command I have run, ltsp-update-sshkeys could that break it? [02:33] divansantana, ah, moment ... you run a ubuntu ltsp .... and for testing you booted the client off a knoppix CD ? [02:33] divansantana, nope [02:33] pips1: i'm signed in and everything seems okay this side. [02:34] highvoltage, I just signed up, my jabber name is pips1 [02:34] divansantana: I wrote an etherboot/pxe howto on the wiki. I'm sure ogra remembers the link [02:34] pips1: pips1@? [02:34] yes [02:34] but you wont have luck with knoppix ... its using a local system based on, well, knoppix ... and will only work with old ltsp ... [02:34] pips1: @ what? @jabber.org? [02:34] can your users login on the server directly ? [02:34] divansantana: just make pxe compatable boot cd images, and it will work fine [02:34] oh, yes, jabber.org (I think) [02:35] sorry, new to this... [02:35] Yagisan, i think his clients do PXE as i understood the above there is only a login problem with the default setup [02:35] no problem [02:35] ogra: yes, they can. and via FreeNX and via PXE from thin clients, just some NICs/BIOS dont support PXE [02:35] pips1: a jabber ID looks like an e-mail address, eg: highvoltage@jabberafrica.org or jonathan@jabber.org [02:35] divansantana, ah ... [02:35] ah [02:36] ogra: Maybe like you said its because of knoppix doesnt work on ubuntu LTSP. I will try boot CD as per the wiki [02:36] divansantana, so Yagisans advise was right ... grab his howto and make boot CDs/floppies, whatever [02:36] yup [02:36] Yagisan: Thanks I think it was your wiki that I have been reading. [02:36] that will solve it ... your etherboot clients will behave like PXE clients with it ... [02:36] ogra: K will try that!! Thanks you TOO very much!! [02:37] ogra: awesome I hope so!! Thanks as always!! [02:37] :) === Yagisan needs to get around to updating that howto [02:38] just dont break it ;) its the second most read howto after the install notes ... i even recommend it in #ltsp :) === ogra digs back into screensaver bugs [02:39] ogra: wow! === highvoltage gets back to work too [02:40] ogra: I won't break it. But I *am* tempted to put my name back on it ;) [02:42] you know you spend too much time on IRC when you type /quit in gnome-terminal to close it. [02:43] although, i've pressed ^d in IRC a few times too :) [02:45] cheers, #edubuntu! === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has left #edubuntu [] [02:46] hmm [02:46] Is it possible to set up a system wide wine install ? [02:47] it seems tedious to symlink magic all .wine directories === pips1 is off to get some food === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === heno [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] [03:06] hey again ogra === C-O-L-T [n=hunika@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu [03:07] what was that file i had to edit to set the screen res for clients? === tuhl [n=tuhl@testdrive.topalis.com] has joined #edubuntu [03:43] ping ogra === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089CC6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:56] hey again ogra [03:56] what was that file i had to edit to set the screen res for clients? [04:07] mhz: ping [04:07] :) [04:08] ogra_: ping [04:09] tuhl, pong [04:10] spacey: pong [04:10] hehe, lots of ping pong's [04:11] JaneW: hi there, already recovered 100% [04:11] mhz: hi, you (or me?) [04:12] JaneW: you [04:12] mhz: just packing up - going to gym shortly [04:12] mhz: yes I am much better thanks [04:12] JaneW: oh, nice! [04:12] mhz: I can't fully shake it though - odd [04:12] JaneW: any news from "your boss" ? [04:12] JaneW: LOL [04:12] mhz: nada [04:12] :( [04:12] well, shall I just forget about his participation? [04:13] and move on? [04:16] mhz: i have a stupid question ;p [04:16] JaneW: ? [04:16] spacey: no question is ever stupid [04:16] if you ask someone his name in spanish? Como te llamas? [04:16] :P [04:17] tu [04:17] spacey: como te llamas? [it's perfect] [04:17] ok [04:17] great [04:17] :P [04:17] thanks [04:17] thanks senor hernandez [04:17] spacey: como se llama? [it's for people you want to show special respect, like older people] [04:18] i need spanish special characters ;p [04:18] spacey: yeah, but I dont use them unless I am writing docs or wiki [04:21] and if you reply to that? Soy spacey, ?Que es? (and you?) [04:21] :p [04:21] never thought i would abuse edubuntu for my spanish lessons ;p [04:22] spacey: Soy Mauricio / Me llamo Mauricio / Mauricio [04:23] spacey: y tu? / y tu como te llamas? / cual es tu nombre? [04:24] cool [04:24] thanks :) [04:24] spacey: no thanks! U$500 cash! [04:24] ripoff!! [04:25] :D [04:25] grazias :p [04:25] & sue me ;p [04:26] lol [04:26] spacey: got enough assets to make it worth our while ;) [04:26] class action - quick lets clean him out ;) [04:27] i got insurance for laywer costs ;p [04:27] Yagisan: too bad i don't live in usa ;p [04:28] spacey: yeah, I should have checked your info first [04:28] spacey: .nl right ? [04:28] fortunately dutch law system is not as crappy as usa ;p [04:29] yeah [04:29] .oO(these people are nuts) [04:29] spacey: one day you to will sign a "free" trade agreement and have to import that crap wholesale [04:29] hehe [04:30] the day I emigrate [04:31] spacey: down under the politicions where smoking some bad stuff and signed a FTA with the USA. now the USA is trying to abolish our cheap medicines [04:32] spacey: so people here can die, if they can afford inflated medicine costs from USA based companies [04:32] s/can/can't [04:32] bah s/can afford/can't afford [04:32] i don't think EU knows what Free Trade is [04:33] spacey: USA doesn't. It thinks it means it can sell to you, but you can't sell to it [04:33] :> [04:33] sucks === Yagisan likes people from the USA, but the government is a completely different matter [04:39] ask me in half a year if i like the people [04:39] i'll go there on holiday this summer :) [04:39] spacey: I've only met the ones here on holiday, they seem nice [04:39] :> [04:40] i never go to amsterdam, so i never meet them [04:41] spacey: although I have no intention of going there - they like to arrest security expects on dmca clauses when you arrive [04:41] s/expects/experts [04:41] spacey: amsterdam, isn't that where pot is legal ? [04:44] Yagisan: its legal in the entire netherlands however amsterdam is popular with the tourists [04:47] spacey: it seems to cause mental issues if you have too much of the stuff [04:47] depends [04:47] spacey: I know/knew some people that it seems to have stuffed with their heads [04:48] after you smoke it [04:48] it has quite some effect ofcourse [04:48] I can be around people smoking it, the fumes cause me to get bad headaches [04:48] s/can/can't [04:49] however on the long term it shouldn't. Unless you have some mental problems. [04:50] if you have some mental diseases its not so wise. Especially if you already have high risk of getting mental disease. Smoking it a lot in your youth is a really bad thing. [04:51] s/youth/teens [04:52] spacey: yeah, the sperm donor that knocked my mother up (well, you can't be a father if you aren't there) was a real big pot head when he was a teen. He's now rather odd [04:53] spacey: I'm rather surprised I made it, because it does wonders for your sperm count === alejandro [n=alejandr@kde/developer/alejandro] has joined #edubuntu [04:54] well people can be odd without pot as well === tuhl [n=tuhl@testdrive.topalis.com] has left #edubuntu [] [04:54] err you really had to be so detailed wit the sperm donor bit? [04:55] true, but like alcohol, it seems too much is not a good idea [04:55] imo its almost the same as alcohol [04:55] jsgotangco: well, she didn't go to a sperm donor, but he was never there, so he may as well have been [04:56] jsgotangco: there a lesson there. Never forget your kids, or one day they will kick your arse. [04:56] imo you miss the good stuff in life if you smoke pot too much [04:56] and it makes you lazy [04:56] or drink to much [04:57] although there are exceptions [04:57] mostly depends on how strong you will/personality is. [04:57] oh well [04:57] later [04:57] ./me casts +10 stubborn bastard on himself === Yagisan casts +1 typing [04:58] jsgotangco: catch you later [05:00] spacey: One day I'd like to visit .nl with the missus while traveling around europe. Bit hard to do it with small kids though [05:00] hm yeah [05:00] well [05:01] have to wait till they grow up [05:01] :> [05:01] i guess [05:01] time to mentally prepare for spanish lesson with some anime ;p [05:01] and then i'm off [05:01] cya [05:01] cya spacey === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-71-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:08] night all === mhz is now known as mhz_launch === mhz_launch is now known as mhz_off === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-71-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === jjjjjjj [n=jdumont@216.187.78.202.novuscom.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089FADD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === jjjjjjj [n=jdumont@216.187.78.202.novuscom.net] has joined #edubuntu === jjjjjjj [n=jdumont@216.187.78.202.novuscom.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === TOZII [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.226.234.33.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === signifer123 [n=michael@pool-141-157-88-80.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.134.119] has joined #edubuntu === arkanox [n=arkan0x@pc-71-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:48] ogra: I have been invited to talk about current dev. status of dapper, the way Ubuntu community works, how to join teams, and the areas which need more volutneers on regular basis. [08:48] ogra: obviously , I only have little ideas on those subjects. Do you have a presentation about this, so I can use it as base? [08:49] mhz, there are some presentations on the wiki you can freely steal from === signifer123 [n=michael@pool-141-157-88-80.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:53] Burgwork: yeah, I know, it is just faster to ask before reading one by one (if they were in the wiki format, they would be easy to track and find :D ) === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b94b2d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu === TOZTWO [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.227.29.172.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_back2hrs === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu