=== jshadow [n=john@CPE-24-211-3-81.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jshadow [n=john@CPE-24-211-3-81.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:51] taking a shower that long cant be healthy [12:54] toma: what??? [12:55] at 22:39 we were kindly informed that mornfall was going to take a shower. He has not reported back since. I'm worried. [12:56] ah right [12:56] maybe he drowned? [12:57] you never know, dangerous times.. ;-) [12:57] hehe [01:03] Hobbsee: did you see that "tabbed windows" effect I found? [01:04] looking [01:04] sort of hilarious even [01:04] make maximized apps really easy to see [01:05] hehe true [01:05] just have to find out how to trigger that titlebar move or fix it, it doesn't happen easy enough === toma [i=toma@ip83.kovoks.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Ooh,] === Flosoft [n=admin@213.219.151.223.adslpower.by.edpnet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:56] Riddel: Hey, I just noticed .. the flosoft.kubuntu.org.uk doesn't work anymore ... so there is a dead link on your site === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:10] Riddel: just mail me about it: admin@flosoft.biz === Flosoft [n=admin@213.219.151.223.adslpower.by.edpnet.be] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.186.207] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.186.207] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@222.50.183.143] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:27] freeflying: 'lo [08:28] mornfall: hi [08:28] freeflying: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/libapt-front_0.3.7.tar.gz and http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/ept_1.90.tar.gz [08:28] freeflying: if you are brave to compile (these shouldn't be much of a problem) [08:28] or you may want till Riddell gets them uploaded [08:28] mornfall: I can not link to your site [08:28] +to wait [08:28] freeflying: hm? [08:29] if you'd like mail me . I'd comile for myself use [08:30] let me copy to p.fd.o [08:31] freeflying: http://people.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/libapt-front_0.3.7.tar.gz and http://people.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/ept_1.90.tar.gz [08:33] mornfall: got it .thx [08:35] Riddell: is there a reason some of the files in http://kubuntu.org/packages/hoary-kde343/pool-hoary/ 403? for instance kdesk/* and kdevelop3/* [08:35] kdesdk/* [08:37] mornfall: why the is libapt-front_0.3.7 not libapt-front-0.3.7 [08:38] possibly because it's a debian source package? [08:38] use debuild and install libapt-front-dev [08:38] same for ept === nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Lmnar"] === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:40] re [09:41] (iow hi from office) [09:41] freeflying: how goes? [09:41] mornfall: fails to build due to some problems of my source.list [09:42] bah [09:42] mornfall: I'd like waiting for Riddell upload them [09:42] it shouldn't particularly care about sources.list while building [09:42] but ok [09:43] mornfall: because of the problem of mirror I using now ,some package can not be download now [09:44] ok [09:44] anyone work on Xgl for kde now ? [09:44] this leads us to the question: where's Riddell? i'd guess he is hiding from the crowd of people wanting to push stuff into dapper before freeze :p [09:44] Xgl = lame [09:45] mornfall: it's eyecandy . atfer all [09:45] eyecandy, possibly [09:46] mornfall: people need it [09:46] people need smacking over head, not xgl ;-) [09:47] --> breakfast (sortof) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:51] argh...what was the mouse fix? === Hobbsee goes off to search === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:52] can you use mysql-server-5 on your system [09:56] Tm_T: what tabbed windows? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:57] mornfall: http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_108.png [09:58] from 107 to 110 actually [09:58] mornfall: no really tabbed windows but looks like it :) [09:58] aha [09:58] old news :) [09:58] sure [09:59] have to modernizate (err what a word) b2 style [09:59] it's modernize [09:59] ah yes [10:00] anyway, you might see soon "bz" windeco ;) [10:00] bz? [10:00] beOS Zeta === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.123.165] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mornfall googles [10:02] hmm, less clutter [10:02] I might buy Zeta soon [10:03] what good is it? [10:04] well, with livecd: 30s boot and voila, 3d and all works [10:04] surprisingly light [10:04] made for graphig & video etc [10:05] erg, typos [10:11] yay, new rsibreak *compiles* === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:31] Riddell : ping === luka74 [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:35] hi all [10:36] Tonio_: hi [10:40] 'lo [10:43] viviersf: hi [10:43] hey Riddell [10:43] hi Riddell , tell me whats the chances in the kde packages [10:43] hi [10:43] channel waking up? [10:44] of putting that gnome version of kde apps dont show [10:44] or go into a seperate place [10:44] or sumthing ? [10:44] slim [10:44] Riddell: did you upload the fix for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdesdk/+bug/31782 yet? [10:44] unless you have a tested patch [10:44] since it's a freeze this week :) [10:44] haha i so predicted this === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:46] hi Hobbsee [10:46] hey raphink [10:46] you want to shoot my wireless card please? [10:46] Riddell: ping [10:46] raphink: yes I uploaded it but I think it's still in manual dep-wait [10:47] so infinity needs to mark it to build again [10:47] ok thanks :) [10:47] cause I don't see it on LP :s [10:47] viviersf: changes in which kde packages? === raphink wonders what's going on lately [10:47] NEW packages uploaded 2 weeks ago are not yet built... [10:47] hi mornfall, compiling libapt-front and ept now [10:48] raphink: that'll be the change to soyuz [10:48] :-) [10:48] Riddell: I guess [10:49] it doesn't make things easier so far :( [10:49] Riddell, i dunno [10:50] im just seeing === pingu64 [n=jsg@125.212.123.165] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:50] when you have both kde and gnome installed [10:50] you have a TON of symilair apps [10:50] soz my spelling sux [10:51] viviersf: well yes, kde and gnome are two projects doing essentially the same thing [10:51] heh i know that === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:52] im just trying to figure out a way so the menus wont be so cluttered [10:52] only install KDE [10:55] :-)) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@221.172.49.69] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:05] Riddell: what about the situation on the dpi setting ? [11:05] I saw the xsettings-kde has been patched, but because I don't have internet at home actually, I haven't been able to get informations this WE [11:06] _Sime: was going to include some code in the guidance script === chmj [n=chmj@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:10] Riddell: ping [11:11] hi chmj [11:12] freeflying: your qt seems to compile and run well, have you had any problems with it [11:12] ? [11:12] Riddell: not yet [11:12] Riddell, erm i cant just install kde :( [11:13] Riddell: deKorator has not been packaged, yes ? [11:13] viviersf: why not? [11:13] chmj: not that I know of [11:13] nope chmj [11:13] Riddell: k then, I will upload it soon [11:14] chmj: great [11:14] Riddell: I'd test more [11:14] Riddell, erm cos boss's decided that impi = kde + gnome [11:14] :/ [11:14] in which case you will get duplication [11:14] ya [11:14] which sux [11:18] Riddell: btw, you never uploaded aasaver ? [11:19] chmj: where can I get i? [11:19] it? [11:19] no I didn't [11:19] Riddell: k, will do it [11:19] cool [11:20] lol [11:20] chmj is working for a change :P [11:21] viviersf: hay, that's royalty you're talking about [11:21] viviersf: grrr, just going through my ubuntu-todo list [11:21] my mini-dinstall give follow errors :Exception: 'gpgv exited with error code 2' [11:21] lol chmj [11:21] so how shall I do for that [11:21] dekorator came from me [11:21] Riddell: damn straight [11:22] Riddell: any suggestion? [11:22] viviersf: sure, "charles you have to package xyz, do it now! god dammit!" [11:22] :-/ [11:22] freeflying: do you have gpg installed? [11:22] uh oh [11:22] chmj, heh [11:22] Riddell: gnupg? [11:22] thats your job [11:22] freeflying: yes [11:23] looks like I'm slowly getting into this windeco [11:23] Riddell: sure I have === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:32] hmm [11:34] freeflying-ibook: I don't actually know what mini-dinstall is [11:35] Riddell: I kust setup a local repo, and upload source package s ,then it will build it automatically [12:07] mornfall: adept_installer rocks severely [12:08] mornfall: .desktop file is broken though, poits to adept-installer not adept_installe [12:08] adept_installer [12:08] bahmpf [12:08] i knew i forgot to test something [12:09] can you flip that? i fixed it locally [12:09] will do [12:09] thx [12:10] mornfall: none of the icons for the applications show thouh [12:10] though [12:10] hmm weird [12:10] there's no updater icon [12:10] err [12:10] no installer icon [12:10] but others should work? [12:10] yes [12:11] but in the running adept-installer none of the applications have icons [12:11] the ones at the side do show [12:11] oh hmm [12:12] completely no icons? [12:12] ah, the icons for programs that are installed work [12:12] well, can you look at gnome icons? [12:12] but for programmes that are not installed it just shows the blank icon [12:12] most kde icons are missing in app-install-data [12:13] right [12:13] yes, some icons show and some don't looking at gnome [12:13] no Devhelp, but Glade has one [12:15] so just app-install-data being incomplete I suppose [12:15] well, gnome-app-install depends on gnome-icon-theme for gnome icons [12:15] and those apps that are not there have icons in app-install-data [12:15] right [12:16] I wonder if there's a way to not show any icon instead of the blank icon if there's no icon found [12:16] i'd say adept could depend on kde-icons-crystal, but we need the app icons added to app-install-data [12:16] Riddell: maybe use the "executable" icon (gear?) [12:16] no icon would look weird [12:19] yep [12:22] chmj: what's this about aasaver? ie, asciiquarium? === mornfall puts on 1.91 todo [12:23] Riddell: are the permissions on http://kubuntu.org/packages/hoary-kde343/pool-hoary/ kdesdk/* and kdevelop3/* intentional? [12:23] mornfall: I'm not sure about quitting after applying changes [12:23] Riddell: there no OSD for fn+Fx on kubuntu ppc [12:25] seaLne: certainly isn't, try now [12:25] Riddell: looks fine, now i was just extending my mirroring to all of /packages and noticed that [12:26] freeflying-ibook: hmm, probably kmilo should do that, but I've no idea if kmilo works on powerpc [12:26] Riddell: ftp://mirror.cis.strath.ac.uk/kubuntu is mirrored a few times a day [12:28] Riddell: it can work in flight-3 livecd [12:28] Hobbsee: yes [12:29] Riddell: you think it should return to original screen? [12:29] chmj: how far did you get with it? [12:29] mornfall: yeah, that's what I'd expect it to do [12:29] Hobbsee: its uploaded [12:29] ok [12:30] Riddell: dunnow... it was meant to be a wizard-style thingy [12:30] i'll think about it [12:31] seaLne: excellent, thanks [12:34] chmj: i had a version which built, but which wasnt working - now i wont have to fiddle with it! [12:37] Hobbsee: can you test mine once it has built? [12:37] I tested it, worked for me. [12:37] chmj: sure, will do, but dishes first [12:37] eheh [12:45] back [12:45] stupid dishes - all of 10 of them... [12:45] chmj: it's on revu? [12:46] Hobbsee: no [12:47] Hobbsee: its in the archive [12:47] chmj: right, how do i test it then? the archive...hmm...how do i get there? === Hobbsee feels very slow tonight [12:47] apt-get? :) [12:48] unless it's in NEW [12:48] Hobbsee: wait for it to build first, it hasn't built [12:48] if it's in the archive it's probably not new? [12:48] Riddell: its still in NEW [12:48] ok [12:48] someone must have changed meaning of archive while i was looking the other way [12:48] mornfall: ma bad [12:49] if any motu has a few minutes to review this : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1885 [12:49] Tonio_: moodin is in main [12:49] I overwritten the package from scratch cause jpatrick's one was ftbfs [12:50] Riddell: great ;) [12:50] Tonio_: what's the statso your kubuntu-default-settings? [12:50] status [12:50] almost over [12:50] Riddell: just need a new wallpaper, and maybe a little change in sounds [12:51] the breaking glass noise isn't very appreciated apparently ! [12:51] ok [12:51] apart from that, I included all that was discussed in the meeting [12:51] and concerning konversation, I rediscussed with the guys, and there are finally fine with the tabs on top [12:51] in order to have a logical desktop, so that all applications have to tabs at the same place [12:52] what about the xft.dpi ? [12:52] with which guys? [12:52] the ones that where in the meeting (freeflying, hobbsee etc...) [12:52] right [12:53] say what? === Hobbsee reads up [12:53] oh, yes, right...i still dont like the tabs up the top, but can deal with it hehe :P [12:53] Hobbsee: about the tabs on top for konversation, wheren't you there when we rediscussed that ? [12:54] the final point was that the purpose of default settings was to provide something as logic and coherant as possible [12:54] Tonio_: I don't see any changes to guidance in SVN for xft dpi setting [12:54] yes [12:54] i was there [12:54] okay [12:55] Riddell: so I think patchking kdmrc is actually the best solution, and the other one will be perfect for dapper+1 [12:55] Riddell: okay with this? [12:55] Riddell: Will have some test on add skim into kubuntu's install cd [12:56] Tonio_: no, we know how to do it with xrdb, just a case of if _Sime want to do clever stuff in guidance or if we just set it in startkde [12:56] freeflying-ibook: we're waiting on the new anastasia script so things can be easily moved from main to universe [12:57] err, from universe to main rather [12:57] :) [12:59] Riddell: okay, so I don't inlude anything concerning dpi in kubuntu-desktop-settings === Hobbsee goes to reopen a bug that she thought was fixed *sighs* [01:00] elmo writing 'em? :-) [01:00] (the scripts) [01:02] Riddell, knetworkconf [01:02] is still bugged [01:02] with window size === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.14] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:05] Tm_T: ping === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.14] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pingu64 [n=jsg@125.212.126.231] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:10] Riddell: any chance you could look at this and see if it could possibly be a package problem? or is this an upstream bug? it's marked as fixed, but i found it still existed... http://launchpad.net/bugs/30268 [01:10] Hobbsee: yes? [01:11] Tm_T: can you confirm http://launchpad.net/bugs/30268 in kopete 0.12 svn? [01:12] Hobbsee: you mean if one contact is in many groups? [01:12] hmm, never done that... [01:13] Tm_T: idea is: add yahoo contact, copy into another group, sign out, sign back in, contact not online, delete from one group, contact suddenly online again [01:14] yup, I don't use yahoo, but I'll try with another protocol [01:15] i've checked the other protocols - they dont have the bug, only yahoo [01:15] Tm_T: have you build kopete-0.12 under dapper with jingle's support [01:15] freeflying: no luck so far [01:31] Hobbsee: I don't think that would be a packaging problem [01:31] ok, i'll reopen and mark it upstream then [01:31] hmm [01:43] Riddell: compiling the kde frontend for netswitch and testing ;) [01:43] I have 2 days for testing and get little corrections done, but the main part seems to be working [01:50] how goes? :) [01:51] kewl, 1.90 published === ubijtsa [n=anders@213.208.70.155] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mornfall kicks malone [01:55] Hobbsee: works for me in kopete 0.12 [01:55] andred: as in, works as it's supposed to? or the bug is confirmed [01:55] works as supposed to, both contacts appear onlince [01:56] ok [01:56] thanks :) [01:57] np [02:08] night all... [02:09] night Hobbsee === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:44] jjesse: adept (adept 1.90) installer is in, you should take a look at it for release notes and deskop guide [02:44] Riddell: thanks will do [02:50] this knemo's pretty neat [02:52] hi jpatrick [02:52] hi Tonio_ :) [02:52] jpatrick: I overwritten your kleansweep package on revu........ [02:53] Tonio_: never mind [02:53] sorry for this, but as it was ftbfs...... === jpatrick couldn't get scons and cdbs to be friends [02:53] jpatrick: look at the actual package if you want. [02:53] supposed to be clean, I think [02:53] eventually, you can revu it ^^ [02:54] I could while I wait for krusandar to build [02:55] mornfall: adept is the same as it was, although I've installed the packages you provide me [02:55] ok [02:55] freeflying: bah [02:55] sucks [02:55] mornfall: :) hmmm [02:56] Tonio_: so that's how it's done [02:56] jpatrick: as you can see the set of rules is really dirty :) [02:56] freeflying: so can you get backtrace of the running(frozen) app? [02:56] although there are many, many files to clean [02:57] mornfall: I even can not attach to adep's thread [02:57] freeflying: hmm? [02:57] how so [02:57] mornfall: I'd try again [02:58] Tonio_: shouldn't it include kde.mk? [02:58] nope [02:58] scons and kde.mk never works [02:58] didn't you test before uploading ? [02:58] if it was packaging correctly ? [02:59] it is not very clean to upload ftbfs packages.......... ^^ [02:59] Tonio_: I always pbuild [02:59] was it building correctly ? [02:59] Tonio_: btw you've added your name twice to the docbooks.. [02:59] Tonio_: no it didn't that's why I gave up [03:00] Tonio_: the COPYRIGHT section [03:00] jpatrick: yes I added concerning the author part, and the copyright one [03:00] is that a problem ? [03:01] ...was written by Anthony Mercatante tonio@ubuntu.com... [03:01] then you have your email on the next line too [03:01] let me check [03:03] jpatrick: yes, as author and copyright holder.......... [03:03] that can be changed, right, but well, I don't think it is an "error" [03:04] so you add your email twice? [03:04] yes [03:04] as in the copyright file [03:04] you add the mail for the author part, and again for the copyright one [03:04] is that a problem ? [03:04] ah ok [03:07] mornfall: still can not attach to adept's thread [03:08] what do you get? [03:08] permission denied [03:08] aaaaaaaaaargh [03:08] sudo gdb [03:08] of course [03:08] :| [03:08] you can't attach as user [03:08] to root process [03:10] mornfall: damn , I forget that . :( === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:12] mornfall: are you there? [03:12] apparently [03:12] great :-) === Huahua [n=hua@221.172.49.69] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:13] i may disappear if i find a near pizzeria tho [03:13] please check this bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122348 [03:13] mornfall: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8959 [03:13] jeroenvrp: you mean the one i just replied to? [03:13] haha yes :-) [03:13] you are very fast [03:13] so the problem is known [03:14] freeflying: can you please paste whole gdb output? from the invocation line [03:15] jeroenvrp: well, known, i fixed a bunch of issues since 1.89 [03:15] jeroenvrp: so it may be one of them [03:15] i can't recall all the specific symptoms anymore [03:15] mornfall: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8960 === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:18] freeflying: hmm, what is it doing? and when? can you also paste stderr? [03:18] mornfall: after I kdesu ask for passwd [03:19] errm [03:19] i'd guess it ends up in .xsesssion-errors or something [03:19] Riddell: any clue where the output ends up when running in kdesu? [03:20] by default kdesu will eat it [03:20] kewl [03:20] recent versions in dapper should sent it to standard out [03:20] freeflying? [03:21] mornfall: just a moment [03:22] mornfall: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8961 [03:23] Tm_T: ping [03:24] Tm_T: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8962 -< it's for you [03:24] freeflying: so it locks up right on startup? [03:24] mornfall: yeah [03:24] ugh [03:24] mornfall: just like it used be [03:24] Tm_T: got it ? [03:24] freeflying: yup [03:25] err, msn plugin, but problem is... [03:25] Riddell: the knetswitch should be working tomorrow, the upstream is gonna polish the work and test till then... [03:25] I'm gonna package everything tomorrow and then testing with all guys here available......... [03:26] MOTU KDE - the first step for world domination ;-) [03:27]