[12:51] <toma> taking a shower that long cant be healthy
[12:54] <Hobbsee> toma: what???
[12:55] <toma> at 22:39 we were kindly informed that mornfall was going to take a shower. He has not reported back since. I'm worried.
[12:56] <Hobbsee> ah right
[12:56] <Hobbsee> maybe he drowned?
[12:57] <toma> you never know, dangerous times.. ;-)
[12:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:03] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: did you see that "tabbed windows" effect I found?
[01:04] <Hobbsee> looking
[01:04] <Tm_T> sort of hilarious even
[01:04] <Tm_T> make maximized apps really easy to see
[01:05] <Hobbsee> hehe true
[01:05] <Tm_T> just have to find out how to trigger that titlebar move or fix it, it doesn't happen easy enough
[01:56] <Flosoft> Riddel: Hey, I just noticed .. the flosoft.kubuntu.org.uk doesn't work anymore ... so there is a dead link on your site
[02:10] <Flosoft> Riddel: just mail me about it: admin@flosoft.biz
[08:27] <mornfall> freeflying: 'lo
[08:28] <freeflying> mornfall: hi
[08:28] <mornfall> freeflying: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/libapt-front_0.3.7.tar.gz and http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/ept_1.90.tar.gz
[08:28] <mornfall> freeflying: if you are brave to compile (these shouldn't be much of a problem)
[08:28] <mornfall> or you may want till Riddell gets them uploaded
[08:28] <freeflying> mornfall: I can not link to your site 
[08:28] <mornfall> +to wait
[08:28] <mornfall> freeflying: hm?
[08:29] <freeflying> if you'd like mail me . I'd comile  for myself use 
[08:30] <mornfall> let me copy to p.fd.o
[08:31] <mornfall> freeflying: http://people.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/libapt-front_0.3.7.tar.gz and http://people.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/ept_1.90.tar.gz
[08:33] <freeflying> mornfall: got it .thx
[08:35] <seaLne> Riddell: is there a reason some of the files in http://kubuntu.org/packages/hoary-kde343/pool-hoary/ 403? for instance kdesk/* and kdevelop3/*
[08:35] <seaLne> kdesdk/*
[08:37] <freeflying> mornfall: why the is libapt-front_0.3.7 not libapt-front-0.3.7
[08:38] <mornfall> possibly because it's a debian source package?
[08:38] <mornfall> use debuild and install libapt-front-dev
[08:38] <mornfall> same for ept
[09:40] <mornfall> re
[09:41] <mornfall> (iow hi from office)
[09:41] <mornfall> freeflying: how goes?
[09:41] <freeflying> mornfall: fails to build due to some problems of my source.list
[09:42] <mornfall> bah
[09:42] <freeflying> mornfall: I'd like waiting for Riddell upload them 
[09:42] <mornfall> it shouldn't particularly care about sources.list while building
[09:42] <mornfall> but ok
[09:43] <freeflying> mornfall: because of the problem of mirror I using now ,some package can not be download now 
[09:44] <mornfall> ok
[09:44] <freeflying> anyone work on Xgl for kde now ?
[09:44] <mornfall> this leads us to the question: where's Riddell? i'd guess he is hiding from the crowd of people wanting to push stuff into dapper before freeze :p
[09:44] <mornfall> Xgl = lame
[09:45] <freeflying> mornfall: it's eyecandy . atfer all
[09:45] <mornfall> eyecandy, possibly
[09:46] <freeflying> mornfall: people need it 
[09:46] <mornfall> people need smacking over head, not xgl ;-)
[09:47] <mornfall> --> breakfast (sortof)
[09:51] <Hobbsee> argh...what was the mouse fix?
[09:52] <freeflying> can you use mysql-server-5 on your system 
[09:56] <mornfall> Tm_T: what tabbed windows?
[09:57] <Tm_T> mornfall: http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_108.png
[09:58] <Tm_T> from 107 to 110 actually
[09:58] <Tm_T> mornfall: no really tabbed windows but looks like it :)
[09:58] <mornfall> aha
[09:58] <mornfall> old news :)
[09:58] <Tm_T> sure
[09:59] <Tm_T> have to modernizate (err what a word) b2 style
[09:59] <mornfall> it's modernize
[09:59] <Tm_T> ah yes
[10:00] <Tm_T> anyway, you might see soon "bz" windeco ;)
[10:00] <mornfall> bz?
[10:00] <Tm_T> beOS Zeta
[10:02] <mornfall> hmm, less clutter
[10:02] <Tm_T> I might buy Zeta soon
[10:03] <mornfall> what good is it?
[10:04] <Tm_T> well, with livecd: 30s boot and voila, 3d and all works
[10:04] <Tm_T> surprisingly light
[10:04] <Tm_T> made for graphig & video etc
[10:05] <Tm_T> erg, typos
[10:11] <mornfall> yay, new rsibreak *compiles*
[10:31] <viviersf> Riddell : ping
[10:35] <Tonio_> hi all
[10:36] <freeflying> Tonio_: hi
[10:40] <mornfall> 'lo
[10:43] <Riddell> viviersf: hi
[10:43] <mornfall> hey Riddell 
[10:43] <viviersf> hi Riddell , tell me whats the chances in the kde packages 
[10:43] <raphink> hi 
[10:43] <mornfall> channel waking up?
[10:44] <viviersf> of putting that gnome version of kde apps dont show
[10:44] <viviersf> or go into a seperate place
[10:44] <viviersf> or sumthing ?
[10:44] <mornfall> slim
[10:44] <raphink> Riddell: did you upload the fix for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdesdk/+bug/31782 yet?
[10:44] <mornfall> unless you have a tested patch
[10:44] <mornfall> since it's a freeze this week :)
[10:44] <mornfall> haha i so predicted this
[10:46] <raphink> hi Hobbsee 
[10:46] <Hobbsee> hey raphink 
[10:46] <Hobbsee> you want to shoot my wireless card please?
[10:46] <raphink> Riddell: ping
[10:46] <Riddell> raphink: yes I uploaded it but I think it's still in manual dep-wait
[10:47] <Riddell> so infinity needs to mark it to build again
[10:47] <raphink> ok thanks :)
[10:47] <raphink> cause I don't see it on LP :s
[10:47] <Riddell> viviersf: changes in which kde packages?
[10:47] <raphink> NEW packages uploaded 2 weeks ago are not yet built...
[10:47] <Riddell> hi mornfall, compiling libapt-front and ept now
[10:48] <Riddell> raphink: that'll be the change to soyuz
[10:48] <mornfall> :-)
[10:48] <raphink> Riddell: I guess
[10:49] <raphink> it doesn't make things easier so far :(
[10:49] <viviersf> Riddell, i dunno
[10:50] <viviersf> im just seeing 
[10:50] <viviersf> when you have both kde and gnome installed
[10:50] <viviersf> you have a TON of symilair apps
[10:50] <viviersf> soz my spelling sux
[10:51] <Riddell> viviersf: well yes, kde and gnome are two projects doing essentially the same thing
[10:51] <viviersf> heh i know that
[10:52] <viviersf> im just trying to figure out a way so the menus wont be so cluttered
[10:52] <Riddell> only install KDE
[10:55] <mornfall> :-))
[11:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: what about the situation on the dpi setting ?
[11:05] <Tonio_> I saw the xsettings-kde has been patched, but because I don't have internet at home actually, I haven't been able to get informations this WE
[11:06] <Riddell> _Sime: was going to include some code in the guidance script
[11:10] <chmj> Riddell: ping 
[11:11] <Riddell> hi chmj 
[11:12] <Riddell> freeflying: your qt seems to compile and run well, have you had any problems with it
[11:12] <Riddell> ?
[11:12] <freeflying> Riddell: not yet
[11:12] <viviersf> Riddell, erm i cant just install kde :(
[11:13] <chmj> Riddell: deKorator has not been packaged, yes ?
[11:13] <Riddell> viviersf: why not?
[11:13] <Riddell> chmj: not that I know of
[11:13] <viviersf> nope chmj 
[11:13] <chmj> Riddell: k then, I will upload it soon 
[11:14] <Riddell> chmj: great
[11:14] <freeflying> Riddell: I'd test more
[11:14] <viviersf> Riddell, erm cos boss's decided that impi = kde + gnome
[11:14] <viviersf> :/
[11:14] <Riddell> in which case you will get duplication
[11:14] <viviersf> ya
[11:14] <viviersf> which sux
[11:18] <chmj> Riddell: btw, you never uploaded aasaver  ?
[11:19] <Riddell> chmj: where can I get i?
[11:19] <Riddell> it?
[11:19] <Riddell> no I didn't
[11:19] <chmj> Riddell: k, will do it 
[11:19] <Riddell> cool
[11:20] <viviersf> lol
[11:20] <viviersf> chmj is working for a change :P
[11:21] <Riddell> viviersf: hay, that's royalty you're talking about
[11:21] <chmj> viviersf: grrr, just going through my ubuntu-todo list 
[11:21] <freeflying> my mini-dinstall give follow errors :Exception: 'gpgv exited with error code 2'
[11:21] <viviersf> lol chmj 
[11:21] <freeflying> so how shall I do for that 
[11:21] <viviersf> dekorator came from me 
[11:21] <chmj> Riddell: damn straight
[11:22] <freeflying> Riddell: any suggestion?
[11:22] <chmj> viviersf: sure, "charles you have to package xyz, do it now! god dammit!"
[11:22] <chmj> :-/
[11:22] <Riddell> freeflying: do you have gpg installed?
[11:22] <Tm_T> uh oh
[11:22] <viviersf> chmj, heh
[11:22] <freeflying> Riddell: gnupg?
[11:22] <viviersf> thats your job
[11:22] <Riddell> freeflying: yes
[11:23] <Tm_T> looks like I'm slowly getting into this windeco
[11:23] <freeflying> Riddell: sure I have
[11:32] <mornfall> hmm
[11:34] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: I don't actually know what mini-dinstall is
[11:35] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: I kust setup a local repo, and upload source package s ,then it will build it automatically
[12:07] <Riddell> mornfall: adept_installer rocks severely
[12:08] <Riddell> mornfall: .desktop file is broken though, poits to adept-installer not adept_installe
[12:08] <Riddell> adept_installer
[12:08] <mornfall> bahmpf
[12:08] <mornfall> i knew i forgot to test something
[12:09] <mornfall> can you flip that? i fixed it locally
[12:09] <Riddell> will do
[12:09] <mornfall> thx
[12:10] <Riddell> mornfall: none of the icons for the applications show thouh
[12:10] <Riddell> though
[12:10] <mornfall> hmm weird
[12:10] <mornfall> there's no updater icon
[12:10] <mornfall> err
[12:10] <mornfall> no installer icon
[12:10] <mornfall> but others should work?
[12:10] <Riddell> yes
[12:11] <Riddell> but in the running adept-installer none of the applications have icons
[12:11] <Riddell> the ones at the side do show
[12:11] <mornfall> oh hmm
[12:12] <mornfall> completely no icons?
[12:12] <Riddell> ah, the icons for programs that are installed work
[12:12] <mornfall> well, can you look at gnome icons?
[12:12] <Riddell> but for programmes that are not installed it just shows the blank icon
[12:12] <mornfall> most kde icons are missing in app-install-data
[12:13] <Riddell> right
[12:13] <Riddell> yes, some icons show and some don't looking at gnome
[12:13] <Riddell> no Devhelp, but Glade has one
[12:15] <Riddell> so just app-install-data being incomplete I suppose
[12:15] <mornfall> well, gnome-app-install depends on gnome-icon-theme for gnome icons
[12:15] <mornfall> and those apps that are not there have icons in app-install-data
[12:15] <Riddell> right
[12:16] <Riddell> I wonder if there's a way to not show any icon instead of the blank icon if there's no icon found
[12:16] <mornfall> i'd say adept could depend on kde-icons-crystal, but we need the app icons added to app-install-data
[12:16] <mornfall> Riddell: maybe use the "executable" icon (gear?)
[12:16] <mornfall> no icon would look weird
[12:19] <Riddell> yep
[12:22] <Hobbsee> chmj: what's this about aasaver?  ie, asciiquarium?
[12:23] <seaLne> Riddell: are the permissions on http://kubuntu.org/packages/hoary-kde343/pool-hoary/ kdesdk/* and kdevelop3/* intentional?
[12:23] <Riddell> mornfall: I'm not sure about quitting after applying changes
[12:23] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: there no OSD for fn+Fx on kubuntu ppc
[12:25] <Riddell> seaLne: certainly isn't, try now
[12:25] <seaLne> Riddell: looks fine, now i was just extending my mirroring to all of /packages and noticed that
[12:26] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: hmm, probably kmilo should do that, but I've no idea if kmilo works on powerpc
[12:26] <seaLne> Riddell: ftp://mirror.cis.strath.ac.uk/kubuntu is mirrored a few times a day
[12:28] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: it can work in flight-3 livecd 
[12:28] <chmj> Hobbsee: yes 
[12:29] <mornfall> Riddell: you think it should return to original screen?
[12:29] <Hobbsee> chmj: how far did you get with it?
[12:29] <Riddell> mornfall: yeah, that's what I'd expect it to do
[12:29] <chmj> Hobbsee: its uploaded 
[12:29] <Hobbsee> ok
[12:30] <mornfall> Riddell: dunnow... it was meant to be a wizard-style thingy
[12:30] <mornfall> i'll think about it
[12:31] <Riddell> seaLne: excellent, thanks
[12:34] <Hobbsee> chmj: i had a version which built, but which wasnt working - now i wont have to fiddle with it!
[12:37] <chmj> Hobbsee: can you test mine once it has built? 
[12:37] <chmj> I tested it, worked for me.
[12:37] <Hobbsee> chmj: sure, will do, but dishes first
[12:37] <chmj> eheh 
[12:45] <Hobbsee> back
[12:45] <Hobbsee> stupid dishes - all of 10 of them...
[12:45] <Hobbsee> chmj: it's on revu?
[12:46] <chmj> Hobbsee: no 
[12:47] <chmj> Hobbsee: its in the archive 
[12:47] <Hobbsee> chmj: right, how do i test it then?  the archive...hmm...how do i get there?
[12:47] <mornfall> apt-get? :)
[12:48] <Riddell> unless it's in NEW
[12:48] <chmj> Hobbsee: wait for it to build first, it hasn't built 
[12:48] <mornfall> if it's in the archive it's probably not new?
[12:48] <chmj> Riddell: its still in NEW 
[12:48] <Hobbsee> ok
[12:48] <mornfall> someone must have changed meaning of archive while i was looking the other way
[12:48] <chmj> mornfall: ma bad 
[12:49] <Tonio_> if any motu has a few minutes to review this : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1885
[12:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: moodin is in main
[12:49] <Tonio_> I overwritten the package from scratch cause jpatrick's one was ftbfs
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: great ;)
[12:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's the statso your kubuntu-default-settings?
[12:50] <Riddell> status
[12:50] <Tonio_> almost over
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: just need a new wallpaper, and maybe a little change in sounds
[12:51] <Tonio_> the breaking glass noise isn't very appreciated apparently !
[12:51] <Riddell> ok
[12:51] <Tonio_> apart from that, I included all that was discussed in the meeting
[12:51] <Tonio_> and concerning konversation, I rediscussed with the guys, and there are finally fine with the tabs on top
[12:51] <Tonio_> in order to have a logical desktop, so that all applications have to tabs at the same place
[12:52] <Tonio_> what about the xft.dpi ?
[12:52] <Riddell> with which guys?
[12:52] <Tonio_> the ones that where in the meeting (freeflying, hobbsee etc...)
[12:52] <Riddell> right
[12:53] <Hobbsee> say what?
[12:53] <Hobbsee> oh, yes, right...i still dont like the tabs up the top, but can deal with it hehe :P
[12:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: about the tabs on top for konversation, wheren't you there when we rediscussed that ?
[12:54] <Tonio_> the final point was that the purpose of default settings was to provide something as logic and coherant as possible
[12:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't see any changes to guidance in SVN for xft dpi setting
[12:54] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:54] <Hobbsee> i was there
[12:54] <Tonio_> okay
[12:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: so I think patchking kdmrc is actually the best solution, and the other one will be perfect for dapper+1
[12:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay with this?
[12:55] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: Will have some test on add skim into kubuntu's install cd
[12:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, we know how to do it with xrdb, just a case of if _Sime want to do clever stuff in guidance or if we just set it in startkde
[12:56] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: we're waiting on the new anastasia script so things can be easily moved from main to universe
[12:57] <Riddell> err, from universe to main rather
[12:57] <freeflying-ibook> :)
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, so I don't inlude anything concerning dpi in kubuntu-desktop-settings
[01:00] <mornfall> elmo writing 'em? :-)
[01:00] <mornfall> (the scripts)
[01:02] <viviersf> Riddell, knetworkconf
[01:02] <viviersf> is still bugged
[01:02] <viviersf> with window size
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: ping
[01:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: any chance you could look at this and see if it could possibly be a package problem?  or is this an upstream bug?  it's marked as fixed, but i found it still existed... http://launchpad.net/bugs/30268
[01:10] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: yes?
[01:11] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: can you confirm http://launchpad.net/bugs/30268 in kopete 0.12 svn?  
[01:12] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: you mean if one contact is in many groups?
[01:12] <Tm_T> hmm, never done that...
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: idea is: add yahoo contact, copy into another group, sign out, sign back in, contact not online, delete from one group, contact suddenly online again
[01:14] <Tm_T> yup, I don't use yahoo, but I'll try with another protocol
[01:15] <Hobbsee> i've checked the other protocols - they dont have the bug, only yahoo
[01:15] <freeflying> Tm_T: have you build kopete-0.12 under dapper with jingle's support
[01:15] <Tm_T> freeflying: no luck so far
[01:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I don't think that would be a packaging problem
[01:31] <Hobbsee> ok, i'll reopen and mark it upstream then
[01:31] <mornfall> hmm
[01:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: compiling the kde frontend for netswitch and testing ;)
[01:43] <Tonio_> I have 2 days for testing and get little corrections done, but the main part seems to be working
[01:50] <mornfall> how goes? :)
[01:51] <mornfall> kewl, 1.90 published
[01:55] <andred> Hobbsee: works for me in kopete 0.12
[01:55] <Hobbsee> andred: as in, works as it's supposed to?  or the bug is confirmed
[01:55] <andred> works as supposed to, both contacts appear onlince
[01:56] <Hobbsee> ok
[01:56] <Hobbsee> thanks :)
[01:57] <andred> np
[02:08] <Hobbsee> night all...
[02:09] <Riddell> night Hobbsee
[02:44] <Riddell> jjesse: adept (adept 1.90) installer is in, you should take a look at it for release notes and deskop guide
[02:44] <jjesse> Riddell: thanks will do
[02:50] <jpatrick> this knemo's pretty neat
[02:52] <Tonio_> hi jpatrick 
[02:52] <jpatrick> hi Tonio_ :)
[02:52] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I overwritten your kleansweep package on revu........
[02:53] <jpatrick> Tonio_: never mind
[02:53] <Tonio_> sorry for this, but as it was ftbfs......
[02:53] <Tonio_> jpatrick: look at the actual package if you want.
[02:53] <Tonio_> supposed to be clean, I think
[02:53] <Tonio_> eventually, you can revu it ^^
[02:54] <jpatrick> I could while I wait for krusandar to build
[02:55] <freeflying> mornfall: adept is the same as it was, although I've installed the packages you provide me
[02:55] <Tonio_> ok
[02:55] <mornfall> freeflying: bah
[02:55] <mornfall> sucks
[02:55] <freeflying> mornfall: :) hmmm
[02:56] <jpatrick> Tonio_: so that's how it's done
[02:56] <Tonio_> jpatrick: as you can see the set of rules is really dirty :)
[02:56] <mornfall> freeflying: so can you get backtrace of the running(frozen) app?
[02:56] <Tonio_> although there are many, many files to clean
[02:57] <freeflying> mornfall: I even can not attach to adep's thread 
[02:57] <mornfall> freeflying: hmm?
[02:57] <mornfall> how so
[02:57] <freeflying> mornfall: I'd try again 
[02:58] <jpatrick> Tonio_: shouldn't it include kde.mk?
[02:58] <Tonio_> nope
[02:58] <Tonio_> scons and kde.mk never works
[02:58] <Tonio_> didn't you test before uploading ?
[02:58] <Tonio_> if it was packaging correctly ?
[02:59] <Tonio_> it is not very clean to upload ftbfs packages.......... ^^
[02:59] <jpatrick> Tonio_: I always pbuild
[02:59] <Tonio_> was it building correctly ?
[02:59] <jpatrick> Tonio_: btw you've added your name twice to the docbooks..
[02:59] <jpatrick> Tonio_: no it didn't that's why I gave up
[03:00] <jpatrick> Tonio_: the COPYRIGHT section
[03:00] <Tonio_> jpatrick: yes I added concerning the author part, and the copyright one
[03:00] <Tonio_> is that a problem ?
[03:01] <jpatrick> ...was written by Anthony Mercatante <email>tonio@ubuntu.com</email>...
[03:01] <jpatrick> then you have your email on the next line too
[03:01] <Tonio_> let me check
[03:03] <Tonio_> jpatrick: yes, as author and copyright holder..........
[03:03] <Tonio_> that can be changed, right, but well, I don't think it is an "error"
[03:04] <jpatrick> so you add your email twice?
[03:04] <Tonio_> yes
[03:04] <Tonio_> as in the copyright file
[03:04] <Tonio_> you add the mail for the author part, and again for the copyright one
[03:04] <Tonio_> is that a problem ?
[03:04] <jpatrick> ah ok
[03:07] <freeflying> mornfall: still can not attach to adept's thread
[03:08] <mornfall> what do you get?
[03:08] <freeflying> permission denied
[03:08] <mornfall> aaaaaaaaaargh
[03:08] <mornfall> sudo gdb
[03:08] <mornfall> of course
[03:08] <mornfall> :|
[03:08] <mornfall> you can't attach as user
[03:08] <mornfall> to root process
[03:10] <freeflying> mornfall: damn , I forget that . :(
[03:12] <jeroenvrp> mornfall: are you there?
[03:12] <mornfall> apparently
[03:12] <jeroenvrp> great :-)
[03:13] <mornfall> i may disappear if i find a near pizzeria tho
[03:13] <jeroenvrp> please check this bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122348
[03:13] <freeflying> mornfall: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8959
[03:13] <mornfall> jeroenvrp: you mean the one i just replied to?
[03:13] <jeroenvrp> haha yes :-)
[03:13] <jeroenvrp> you are very fast
[03:13] <jeroenvrp> so the problem is known
[03:14] <mornfall> freeflying: can you please paste whole gdb output? from the invocation line
[03:15] <mornfall> jeroenvrp: well, known, i fixed a bunch of issues since 1.89
[03:15] <mornfall> jeroenvrp: so it may be one of them
[03:15] <mornfall> i can't recall all the specific symptoms anymore
[03:15] <freeflying> mornfall: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8960
[03:18] <mornfall> freeflying: hmm, what is it doing? and when? can you also paste stderr?
[03:18] <freeflying> mornfall: after I kdesu ask for passwd 
[03:19] <mornfall> errm
[03:19] <mornfall> i'd guess it ends up in .xsesssion-errors or something
[03:19] <mornfall> Riddell: any clue where the output ends up when running in kdesu?
[03:20] <Riddell> by default kdesu will eat it
[03:20] <mornfall> kewl
[03:20] <Riddell> recent versions in dapper should sent it to standard out
[03:20] <mornfall> freeflying?
[03:21] <freeflying> mornfall: just a moment
[03:22] <freeflying> mornfall: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8961
[03:23] <freeflying> Tm_T: ping
[03:24] <freeflying> Tm_T: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8962  -< it's for you
[03:24] <mornfall> freeflying: so it locks up right on startup?
[03:24] <freeflying> mornfall: yeah
[03:24] <Tm_T> ugh
[03:24] <freeflying> mornfall: just like it used be 
[03:24] <freeflying> Tm_T: got it ?
[03:24] <Tm_T> freeflying: yup
[03:25] <Tm_T> err, msn plugin, but problem is...
[03:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: the knetswitch should be working tomorrow, the upstream is gonna polish the work and test till then...
[03:25] <Tonio_> I'm gonna package everything tomorrow and then testing with all guys here available.........
[03:26] <jpatrick> MOTU KDE - the first step for world domination ;-)
[03:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool
[03:27] <mornfall> freeflying: and it's same with all adept apps right?
[03:27] <freeflying> mornfall: y
[03:27] <mornfall> even installer?
[03:28] <mornfall> arch=i386?
[03:29] <freeflying> mornfall: i386
[03:30] <mornfall> and amd64 cpu right?
[03:30] <freeflying> mornfall: haven't test installer , system is today's freshinstall
[03:30] <freeflying> mornfall: yeah'
[03:30] <mornfall> adept_installer
[03:30] <mornfall> try it please...
[03:30] <mornfall> (it's in same package as adept)
[03:31] <mornfall> anyone else with amd64 cpu running i386 dapper here?
[03:32] <freeflying> Tm_T: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8963  more details
[03:33] <freeflying> mornfall: freeze again
[03:33] <mornfall> freeflying: the installer? interesting
[03:33] <mornfall> freeflying: installer's stdout?
[03:33] <freeflying> mornfall: y
[03:35] <mornfall> after looking at that, i run to get some food
[03:36] <Tm_T> freeflying: ok, I have no idea
[03:36] <Tm_T> freeflying: try #kopete ;)
[03:36] <freeflying> mornfall: maybe I'll give you later 
[03:36] <mornfall> bah
[03:36] <mornfall> --> lunch
[03:37] <freeflying> --->bed soon
[03:38] <jpatrick> Tonio_: can you look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1888 ?
[03:41] <Tonio_> yes
[03:41] <jpatrick> just spotted that I forgot myself in debian/copyright
[03:44] <jpatrick> fixed
[04:08] <Tonio_> jpatrick: revu done, few fixes required ;)
[04:35] <jeroenvrp> mornfall: hoe long will it take you think teh new adept will be in the dapper-repos - i'm very curious
[04:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: when you're doing kubuntu-default-settings, could you look at the amarok sidebar theme?  it doesn't seem to get picked up
[04:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: no pb
[04:40] <Tonio_> that wallpaper search makes me crazy.........
[04:41] <Tonio_> I will finish by doing it by myself :)
[04:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't spend too much time on the wallpaper, as I say canonical are getting something made
[04:47] <freeflying> night all
[04:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: great ;)
[04:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: a few tests toonight and you might get the package tomorrow then
[04:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have done a patch for the kicker systemapplet too that requires a few tests toonight, I will let you know
[04:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: with what changes?
[04:56] <Tonio_> doesn't use system:/, resolves the "copy everything to temp" problem
[04:56] <Tonio_> it will normally work exactly as it was working with kde 3.4.2
[04:57] <Riddell> ah, interesting
[04:57] <Tonio_> using real path of modules used and not the system:/ url binding
[04:58] <Tonio_> the only problem is that I don't have internet at home actually and I an't put dapper on my laptop, so it'll be a bit hard to test
[05:09] <Tonio_> any motu there ? I really would like to see kleansweep in dapper, it is one o the most popular apps on kde-apps....
[05:09] <Tonio_> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1885
[05:09] <jpatrick> same here: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1890
[05:10] <Tonio_> jpatrick: i'm revuing this
[05:11] <Tonio_> jpatrick: ping ?
[05:11] <jpatrick> Tonio_: yes?
[05:11] <Tonio_> same errors than for kautoclick
[05:11] <jpatrick> I saw them, thanks :)
[05:11] <Tonio_> "licence" needs to be declared in debian/copyright
[05:12] <Tonio_> well, I'm revuying and let you correct this ;)
[05:12] <jpatrick> just did that
[05:19] <jpatrick> Riddell: there's a guy in #kubuntu with an annoying name......
[05:22] <mornfall> jeroenvrp: not a slightest idea
[05:25] <Tonio_> jpatrick: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1890 few fixes required though
[05:31] <jpatrick> Tonio_: it has no homepage
[05:32] <Tonio_> jpatrick: the kde-look page is the homepage according to what I see ;)
[05:33] <Tonio_> the upstream adds the new versions directly there
[05:33] <Tonio_> so that's the homepage ;)
[05:33] <jpatrick> ah, ok then
[05:33] <jpatrick> how can a tiny package like kautoclick create so many problems...
[05:34] <Tonio_> although the licence is an issue... all cpp files should contain the licence short text, and a copying file in the root of the source is greatly appreciated ;)
[05:34] <Tonio_> jpatrick: what you should do I think is keeping a skeleton debian folder
[05:34] <jpatrick> skeleton?
[05:34] <Tonio_> yep
[05:35] <jpatrick> what is that?
[05:35] <Tonio_> a blanked one, but with all required sections in files
[05:35] <Tonio_> that's the best solution not to miss anything
[05:36] <Tonio_> for example with "Upstream Author: <add author here>"
[05:36] <Tonio_> and same for everything required
[05:36] <Tonio_> you will never miss anything with this
[05:36] <jpatrick> ah, I see :)
[05:36] <Tonio_> that's the reason all mypackages ar so similar, I always use my skeleton for the basis, and then modify depending the package
[05:36] <jpatrick> will do that
[05:37] <jpatrick> I used to copy from another package I'd done then modify
[05:37] <raphink> :)
[05:37] <Tonio_> I don't pretend to have the perfect solution, but as far as I know, working with skeletons is the bast solution I tried :)
[05:38] <raphink> lots of things to correct :(
[05:38] <Tonio_> raphink: arf.......
[05:39] <raphink> would be cool if anyone could confirm the bugs I have 
[05:40] <raphink> when are the testing pages on the wiki to be updated ?
[05:40] <raphink> they are for flight 3 currently :s
[05:49] <jpatrick> Tonio_: what should I do about the COPYING file?
[05:52] <Tonio_> poke upstream and ask for a new tarball fixed....
[05:52] <Tonio_> that's the only solution
[05:53] <Tonio_> jpatrick: also, all cpp files should contain the licence informations too...
[05:53] <jpatrick> yeah
[05:54] <jpatrick> btw, I've left a comment for kleansweep
[05:59] <jpatrick> and can't kleansweep be launched as normal user?
[06:03] <jpatrick> Tonio_: reuploaded kwin-style-crystal
[06:11] <Tonio_> jpatrick: okay, I will revu toonight if I can get access to the net
[06:23] <luka74> Riddell: not sure if we should change kpowersave scripts
[06:23] <Riddell> luka74: hmm?
[06:24] <luka74> they just do same stuff in more polished way
[06:25] <Riddell> yes, but it'll mean we get slightly different problems (which I don't want to be responsible for investigating)
[06:25] <luka74> So you sugest that we just add our scripts, make them default and that is it?
[06:26] <Riddell> I suggest we make call pmi (or better, HAL)
[06:27] <Riddell> which will call the ubuntu scripts
[06:27] <luka74> I got some feedback from debian packager - I can forward to you for review
[06:27] <luka74> (he has also some concerns in replacing)
[06:28] <Riddell> sure
[06:28] <luka74> we currently have old version - should I try make a new one or do you have some candidate that can do this
[06:29] <luka74> and will it be possible to upgrade later to 0.6 when released in March with SuSE
[06:29] <Riddell> the new version was released after upstream version freeze
[06:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: packaging netswitch just right now, waiting for knetswitch tomorrow
[06:29] <Riddell> hmm, possibly not
[06:34] <luka74> Riddell: forwarded 2 e-mails to your @ubuntu.com address
[06:42] <Riddell> luka74: interesting
[06:42] <Riddell> power management is complex damnit
[06:42] <luka74> true :-(
[06:43] <luka74> This is why I have concerns messing it with too much.
[06:43] <luka74> Should we just try to offer latest & greatest kpowersave in universe?
[06:43] <luka74> (and leave klaptop for now)
[06:48] <jeroenvrp> is de new package "keep" better than the official kde-backup utility: konserve ?
[06:48] <jeroenvrp> and I though kmplayer will be in the dapper-repos?
[06:48] <jeroenvrp> thought
[06:51] <Riddell> luka74: sure, if you can confirm that it works and want to ask for an upstream version freeze that would be great
[06:51] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: konserve is old and unmaintained
[06:52] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: I'm yet to get a working kmplayer package
[06:52] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: thanx
[06:52] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: I have a working kmplayer package here
[06:52] <jeroenvrp> never had any problems compiling it
[06:53] <jeroenvrp> have to log in and out
[06:53] <jeroenvrp> hold on
[06:59] <jpatrick> I was working on kmplayer.....
[07:05] <jpatrick> Riddell: there is a working kmplayer package ar REVU
[07:05] <jpatrick> I just have to solve this .so problem
[07:05] <Riddell> jpatrick: has it changed from last time I looked at it?
[07:06] <jpatrick> yes, sistpoty and I went over it
[07:07] <Riddell> great
[07:07] <Riddell> however, no time for revu alas
[07:08] <jpatrick> do you anything about .so file business?
[07:08] <Riddell> you missed a word there
[07:08] <jpatrick> know*
[07:09] <Riddell> what's the problem?
[07:11] <jpatrick> he wants me to move them from /usr/lib to /usr/lib/kde3
[07:12] <jpatrick> or similiar
[07:13] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: keep: "Fatal Error: Destination directory /home/jeroen/test exists, but does not look like a rdiff-backup directory."
[07:13] <jeroenvrp>  rdiff-backup directory??
[07:15] <jpatrick> better ask JRe 
[07:16] <JRe> someone asked me ;) ?
[07:16] <jpatrick> JRe: jeroenvrp is having problems with Keep
[07:17] <jeroenvrp> JRe: yes
[07:17] <JRe> jeroenvrp: what's going on ?
[07:17] <jeroenvrp> after installing keep, it wants a rdiff-directory
[07:17] <jeroenvrp> but, how does the user know where to find that?
[07:17] <jeroenvrp> "Fatal Error: Destination directory /home/jeroen/test exists, but does not look like a rdiff-backup directory."
[07:17] <JRe> jeroenvrp: I assume you have setted up a backup first ?
[07:17] <jeroenvrp> JRe: yes
[07:17] <jeroenvrp> a small one
[07:18] <jeroenvrp> to test
[07:18] <JRe> jeroenvrp: ok
[07:18] <jeroenvrp> or must it be a non existing directory?
[07:19] <JRe> jeroenvrp: can you copy/past ~/.kde/share/config/keepbackuplist.rc on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org ?
[07:19] <jeroenvrp> JRe: ah yes that is it
[07:20] <JRe> jeroenvrp: it's working now ?
[07:20] <jeroenvrp> JRe: yes, when I fill as a target a non-existing directory
[07:21] <JRe> jeroenvrp: in fact I think it should work with an existing, empty directory
[07:21] <jeroenvrp> JRe: let's test that to
[07:21] <JRe> jeroenvrp: I just tested it, and it seems to work
[07:21] <jeroenvrp> JRe: so it doesn't work with non-empty directories?
[07:22] <JRe> jeroenvrp: you are using the backup now button ?
[07:22] <jeroenvrp> JRe: yes
[07:22] <JRe> jeroenvrp: no it works
[07:23] <jeroenvrp> JRe: yes that works, but it only fails in non-empty dirs
[07:23] <JRe> jeroenvrp: yes that's right
[07:23] <JRe> jeroenvrp: I add that on the website's FAQ
[07:23] <jeroenvrp> that's ok off coutse, but should 'keep' not simply check that
[07:23] <jeroenvrp> ?
[07:23] <JRe> jeroenvrp: it should be documented but I am still seeking for someone to help me to do that ;)
[07:24] <JRe> jeroenvrp: tough, I find that the current error message is pretty clear
[07:24] <jeroenvrp> JRe: :-) if I had the time and my english was better, I would help you with that :-)
[07:25] <JRe> Running rdiff-backup like this could mess up what is currently in it.
[07:25] <jeroenvrp> JRe: yes, but it is given when you use the 'backup now'
[07:25] <JRe> jeroenvrp: in fact Keep is a front-end to another command line soft: rdiff-backup, the error message is the one of this application
[07:25] <jeroenvrp> it should be better (I think) to avoid that people to set the target directory to a not-empty and not-rdiff directory
[07:26] <JRe> jeroenvrp: so I can't really handle that in a better way
[07:26] <jeroenvrp> ok i understand
[07:26] <jeroenvrp> maybe just a simple message in the wizard
[07:26] <jeroenvrp> ?
[07:26] <JRe> jeroenvrp: if you have time enough, you could join the tester team ;)
[07:27] <jeroenvrp> JRe: if I had the time yes :_)
[07:27] <JRe> jeroenvrp: 0.4.0 is near and will handle fine tuned include/exclude rules :)
[07:28] <jeroenvrp> anyhow a good message can be: "Select a location to place the backup. Warning: Only use existing empty directores or allready existing rdiff-backup directories."
[07:28] <jeroenvrp> JRe: great!!
[07:28] <jeroenvrp> anyway, is it possible to make external backups?
[07:28] <JRe> jeroenvrp: what do you mean ?
[07:29] <jeroenvrp> on a remote system?
[07:29] <jeroenvrp> with fish off course
[07:29] <jeroenvrp> let me check that
[07:32] <jeroenvrp> JRe: mm fish doesn't work
[07:33] <jeroenvrp> have to go
[07:33] <jeroenvrp> will be back later
[07:33] <jpatrick> cya jeroenvrp 
[07:36] <JRe> jeroenvrp: it could be possible but not working yet
[07:37] <JRe> jeroenvrp: in fact it's working but very hard to configure
[07:37] <JRe> jeroenvrp: I am working on beeing able to present that to users
[07:42] <jpatrick> JRe: "Gaylord" un nom est-il en franais ?
[07:44] <Riddell> jpatrick: I think it's Jewish, remembering back to the film Meet the Parents 
[07:44] <jpatrick> oh yeah
[07:44] <Riddell> poor guy, must get slagged off all the time :)
[07:44] <jpatrick> just the guy in #kubuntu said it was his first name
[07:45] <Riddell> yeah, I saw
[08:09] <jjesse> running dapper w/ latest updates in a virtual machine and i can longer access the network
[08:09] <jjesse> anyone else having any problems like this?
[08:10] <toma> Riddell: pingg
[08:10] <sebas> jjesse: Strange names in ifconfig -a ?
[08:10] <Riddell> toma: yo
[08:10] <sebas> I had that today, reloading the driver module (8139too) a couple of times fixed it, not time to look into it.
[08:11] <toma> Riddell: hi, i'm releasing rsibreak 0.5 later this week, I think it is good to have that version in dapper (i guess you hear that 10x a day). Is that possible? It is much better than the current 0.4
[08:12] <sebas> toma: Just call it bugfix release, there you go ;-)
[08:13] <toma> sebas: yes, well it is, the timer in 0.4 was not very good, 0.5 actually works ;-)
[08:13] <toma> +nicely 
[08:13] <Riddell> toma: probably but I don't have time to package/test/ask for upstream version freeze
[08:13] <Riddell> toma: probably allee will package it
[08:13] <toma> Riddell: yes, me and allee will package
[08:13] <Riddell> then poke someone else to test/ask for upstream version freeze
[08:14] <toma> Riddell: oki
[08:14] <jjesse>  ifup: failed to open statefile /var/run/network/ifstate: no such file or directory
[08:15] <Riddell> toma: freature freeze on end of wednesday, may be harder to get things uploaded after that
[08:15] <toma> Riddell: ok, then I will release / package it tomorrow
[08:16] <jjesse> hmm still can't get an ip address
[08:16] <Riddell> toma: :)
[08:19] <_Sime> Riddell: Hi,
[08:19] <_Sime> Riddell: guidance has been fixed for that Xft DPI stuff.
[08:19] <_Sime> Riddell: it was commited on saturday or sunday.
[08:19] <_Sime> Riddell: look in displayconfig-restore.py
[08:22] <allee> Riddell: ah feature freeze: There still interest to have wlassistant in dapper?  New upstream release seems to be better (now in debian NEW queue, but I can't test because all AP here use WPA currently :()
[08:22] <Riddell> _Sime: oh cool, was looking at 40guidance-displayconfig_restore, silly me
[08:22] <allee> Riddell: other is codeine:  You upload last week AFAIR but not in archive yet
[08:23] <_Sime> Riddell: are you planning on using xsettings-kde for the gtk apps?
[08:23] <jpatrick> allee: NEW queue is stuck
[08:25] <Riddell> allee: I don't think I did upload codeine actully, I can do that now
[08:25] <Riddell> _Sime: probably not for dapper
[08:25] <allee> jpatrick: Is codeine important enough to kick-for-unstuck in these busy times?
[08:25] <_Sime> Riddell: not enough time?
[08:25] <Riddell> _Sime: correct
[08:25] <jpatrick> allee, Riddell : nothing I've uploaded has showed up
[08:28] <jjesse> anyone else having issues after latest updates and not getting an ip address?
[08:29] <Riddell> jpatrick: yeah, NEW is currently going very slowly
[08:29] <Riddell> jjesse: flight 4 or after flight 4?
[08:29] <jjesse> had flight 3 and then did an apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade this morning
[08:30] <jjesse> Riddell: if i try to do a sudo ifup eth0 i receive "ifup: failed to open statefile /var/run/network/ifstate: No such file or directory
[08:31] <Riddell> jjesse: mkdir /var/run/network  ?
[08:32] <jjesse> that did it
[08:32] <jpatrick> touch /var/run/network/ifstate
[08:40] <allee> jjesse: did you reboot?   /etc/init.d/loop should create this directory
[08:41] <jjesse> rebooting right now
[08:42] <allee> jpatrick: Which URL to check what's in ubuntu NEW queue?
[08:43] <jpatrick> allee: not that we know of....
[08:43] <allee> ok
[08:43] <jpatrick> allee: I asked Riddell that a few days ago...
[08:45] <Riddell> _Sime: should it be ok to take make a branch patch to current SVN guidance so I can get the DPI stuff in?
[08:46] <_Sime> Riddell: you need to get this in ASAP for the FF?
[08:46] <jjesse> allee: after rebooting i don't have the directory
[08:46] <allee> Is there anything that has to be fixed/worked on _before_ Wednesday?  wlassistant?  Other?
[08:47] <allee> jjesse: mount | grep /var/run
[08:47] <allee> jjesse: grep /var/run/network /etc/init.d/*   # should match loop script
[08:48] <jjesse> hold on
[08:54] <_Sime> Riddell: I just put a 0.6.1 version of guidance up on the site.
[08:55] <_Sime> Riddel: http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/
[08:55] <_Sime> Riddell: packing-wise it should be a drop in replacement.
[08:56] <_Sime> Riddell: except that one of the patches in the .deb is now not necessary.
[08:58] <allee> FWIW: No NEW/changed entries for Wed 2nd kubuntu meeting yet ;) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[08:59] <Riddell> _Sime: excellent :)
[08:59] <allee> raphink: Should the old agenda be kept and a new one added at the top?  Or ...
[09:04] <raphink> allee: remove the old one
[09:04] <raphink> allee: just keep the points we didn't talk about last time maybe
[09:11] <jjesse> allee: grep /var/run/network /etc/init.d/* /etc/init.d/loopback.dpkg-new: [-d /var/run/network ]  || mkdir /var/run/network
[09:14] <allee> jjesse: you had local change in the loopback script?
[09:14] <allee> jjesse: check: diff -u /etc/init.d/loopback /etc/init.d/loopback.dpkg-new
[09:15] <allee> jjesse: merge your changes into the new one and: mv /etc/init.d/loopback.dpkg-new /etc/init.d/loopback
[09:16] <allee> After next reboot this should be back to normal
[09:16] <allee> raphink: 
[09:16] <allee> + ok
[09:16] <raphink> k
[09:16] <jjesse> did osmething go wrong w/ my update?
[09:18] <allee> jjesse: during update, should (should have) been told that /etc/init.d/loopback has been changed  (default keep current version)
[09:18] <allee> jjesse: either you accepted the default of answered no
[09:18] <jjesse> hmm ok, don't remember being prompted
[09:18] <allee> jjesse: no the loopback script was not installed
[09:18] <allee> s/no the/so the new/
[09:19] <jjesse> upon rebooting still have the same problem :(
[09:19] <Riddell> allee: codeine_1.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW
[09:20] <allee> Riddell: thanks
[09:21] <allee> jjesse: did not work, when /etc/init.d/loopback has: [-d /var/run/network ]  || mkdir /var/run/network  ?
[09:21] <jjesse> correct
[09:21] <allee> jjesse: ls -l /etc/rc*.d/*loopback  ?
[09:22] <jjesse> no such file 
[09:23] <allee> jjesse: here: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2006-01-25 11:25 /etc/rcS.d/S08loopback -> ../init.d/loopback
[09:23] <allee> really looks like something went wrong.  Have you more files matching :  ls -l /etc/init.d/*dpkg*
[09:24] <jjesse> allee yeah i have m ore alas-utils console-screen.sh mdadm and two others
[09:24] <jjesse> good thing its a virtual machine and i can blow it away
[09:25] <allee> jjesse: nothing here.  Looks like I accepted them all, and you did not :)
[09:25] <jjesse> don't worry too much, its just a virtual machine and i probally screewed it up
[09:30] <jpatrick> how do I get knemo out of kicker?
[09:32] <Tm_T> yh
[09:32] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_116.png
[09:41] <jpatrick> Tm_T: what?
[09:45] <Tm_T> jpatrick: just look
[09:45] <jpatrick> I did
[09:46] <Tm_T> I removed "kde" from my KDE desktop
[09:48] <jpatrick> ah okay
[09:49] <Tm_T> feel strange, no blue ;(
[09:50] <Tm_T> also, new placement of kicker needs some time to get used to it
[09:54] <Tm_T> have to say, who says "I can't get KDE to look good" doesn't try
[09:54] <allee> jpatrick: RMB menu -> configure knemo, delete the interface in left page
[09:55] <allee> jpatrick: or if you want to disable it complete goto KDE services and disable it there to not run all all
[09:55] <jpatrick> allee: already removed it from there, but it's still in the system tray
[09:56] <allee> jpatrick: I tried: removed eth0 and 'ok' and the icons is gone
[09:57] <allee> jpatrick: so works here
[10:41] <kmon> Hi. guidance "discs & filesystem" is not working in dapper, is this a known bug?
[10:45] <_Sime|sport> kmon: please explain?
[10:46] <_Sime> kmon: what happens when you run "mountconfig" from the shell?
[10:46] <kmon> javier@a1691:~$ mountconfig
[10:46] <kmon> Traceback (most recent call last):
[10:46] <kmon>   File "/usr/bin/mountconfig", line 33, in ?
[10:46] <kmon>     from fuser import *
[10:46] <kmon>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/fuser.py", line 27, in ?
[10:46] <kmon>     import kdedesigner
[10:46] <kmon> ImportError: No module named kdedesigner
[10:46] <kmon> javier@a1691:~$                                 
[10:46] <sebas> Install pykdeextensions
[10:46] <_Sime> kmon: go to adept and install...
[10:47] <_Sime> dammit that's my line! sebas
[10:47] <_Sime> :-)
[10:47] <_Sime> sebas: I push a quick guidance release just before badminton. :)
[10:47] <sebas> Riddell: Could you add pykdeextensions to guidance's runtime deps? :-)
[10:47] <_Sime> psued
[10:47] <sebas> (There's another one of your lines, _Sime :>)
[10:47] <_Sime> true
[10:48] <sebas> _Sime: I'm overoverloaded, schedulewise for the next two weeks, so don't expect too much from me.
[10:48] <kmon> this is the bug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/31781
[10:48] <_Sime> sebas: I thought as much.
[10:48] <sebas> Ok :)
[10:49] <kmon> Is there a guidance roadmap? I would like to know what system tools are planned for future versions of kubuntu :)
[10:49] <_Sime> me too
[10:50] <_Sime> seriously, I haven't thought too much beyond displayconfig.
[10:50] <_Sime> kmon: what do you feel is most needed?
[10:50] <sebas> We need more developers.
[10:51] <kmon> well, I think a tool for dealing with grub would be a nice addition
[10:51] <kmon> just like gnome has
[10:51] <_Sime> FOSDEM will be a good chance to discuss this issue.
[10:51] <sebas> I'll be working on the existing parts, usability fixes, and some time in the far future will do KDE4 porting and hope to get some modules into KDE4 official.
[10:51] <_Sime> yeah
[10:52] <_Sime> I think that grub support is a bit techy and that there is probably other basic functionality that is missing in system settings.
[10:52] <_Sime> sound(?)
[10:52] <_Sime> I would still like a good cd/dvd based backup program.
[10:53] <kmon> isn't that a bit out of scope for guidance?
[10:53] <sebas> We should delay sound to later on, when phonon is a fact.
[10:53] <kmon> I thought guidance was a set of tools for dealing with sys config
[10:53] <_Sime> sebas: true
[10:54] <_Sime> kmon: and true, but if the system settings is complete already, then we can do something else.
[10:54] <_Sime> I'm thinking more "Linux desktop" than just config.
[10:54] <kmon> yeah, sure
[10:55] <kmon> but grub is something that many people have to deal with, like adding a splash image or support for dual booting. Any way, my 2?
[10:55] <_Sime> I'm hoping that the kubuntu installer sets up dual boot.
[10:55] <_Sime> doesn't it?
[10:55] <kmon> yes
[10:56] <kmon> sure
[10:56] <jeroenvrp> archive.ubuntu.com is unreachable for me
[10:57] <sebas> http://keytouch.sourceforge.net
[10:57] <_Sime> (good) keyboard configuration is also a problem.
[10:57] <sebas> A frontend for keytouch would be kewl in guidance.
[10:58] <sebas> Ha!
[10:59] <_Sime> :)
[11:00] <_Sime> "mulitmedia" key don't work so well right now. (not that I have tried, mmmawww)
[11:02] <Riddell> sebas: why does it now need pykdeextensions?
[11:03] <sebas> Riddell: guidance now reads the .ui stuff runtime.
[11:03] <_Sime> Riddell: because fuser.py now uses the load-ui-file-on-the-fly feature of pykdeextensions.
[11:03] <sebas> We don't fit into the same room, tonight, _Sime :>
[11:03] <sebas> In fact, we're redundant.
[11:03] <Riddell> clever it :)
[11:04] <Riddell> this is in 0.6.1?
[11:04] <_Sime> sebas: what have you got going on in Brussels on wednesday/thursday?
[11:04] <_Sime> Riddell: might have been 0.6.0 too.
[11:05] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: thanks for the amarok .po fix
[11:06] <jeroenvrp> unfortunaly I cannot test it, because I allready installed 1.4 beta1 - and these version has the Dutch language file
[11:08] <sebas> _Sime: KDE/quality stuff, a European project, top secret atm ;-)
[11:08] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: I ment for pitti to test it with his scripts
[11:08] <sebas> I'll tell you at FOSDEM, though.
[11:09] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: ah ok :-)_
[11:19] <kmon> Could someone please remove the dependecy of xmms on superkaramba package? I don't understand why it's needed at all.
[11:30] <Riddell> umm, _Sime, sebas, userconfig seems to take lots of screenshots or something
[11:30] <Riddell> kmon: because superkaramba has an xmms plugin
[11:31] <_Sime> Riddell: huh?
[11:31] <sebas> userconfig takes screenshots?
[11:31] <Riddell> _Sime: when i run userconfig the mouse cursor turns into a crosshairs and when I click it beeps like a screenshot program
[11:32] <sebas> Hm, console output?
[11:32] <sebas> That sounds utterly strange to me though.
[11:33] <_Sime> _that_ is wierd.
[11:33] <Riddell> >userconfig
[11:33] <Riddell> from: can't read /var/mail/qt
[11:33] <Riddell> from: can't read /var/mail/kdeui
[11:33] <Riddell> from: can't read /var/mail/kdecore
[11:33] <Riddell> from: can't read /var/mail/kfile
[11:33] <Riddell> runs normally thought systemsettings
[11:33] <sebas> Hm, I'm getting the same here.
[11:34] <Riddell> screen capture thing?
[11:35] <sebas> There is no such code in there.
[11:35] <sebas> It runs fine if I start it with python userconfig.py
[11:35] <Riddell> I can't think why there would be
[11:37] <sebas> I've got it.
[11:37] <sebas> There's a trailing ' ' before the pybang in line one of /usr/share/apps/guidance/userconfig.py
[11:37] <sebas> Removing it solves it, but the effect is more than strange.
[11:38] <sebas> Time for 0.6.2 I guess :>
[11:38] <Riddell> ah, so it's running the executable "from"
[11:38] <sebas> Fix is in svn
[11:39] <Riddell> then import
[11:39] <Riddell> hah, that's a sneeky one :)
[11:39] <sebas> Kewl :>
[11:39] <Hobbsee> morning all
[11:39] <sebas> Moin Hobbsee 
[11:41] <Hobbsee> especially if it involves wireless cards and wpa!
[11:45] <kmon> c-ya
[11:56] <infinitezeros> this room is quiet
[12:00] <allee> JRe: ping
[12:01] <infinitezeros> ping-back
[12:03] <allee> infinitezeros: are you JRe's secretary? :)
[12:04] <infinitezeros> no his clone allee
[12:05] <_Sime> sebas: that is truely bizzare.
[12:06] <allee> Hobbsee: curious: what do you use to manage wpa?  wpasupplicant + ??