[12:06] <_evil_h_> MWHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Java is my b****
[12:06] <_evil_h_> *finger dances*
[12:07] <_evil_h_> sorry caffeine is getting to me
[12:09] <Jeff1232> hey all
[12:09] <Jeff1232> i got a bit of a problem
[12:09] <_evil_h_> what is it
[12:09] <Jeff1232> i had my dual boot of windows and linux
[12:09] <_evil_h_> ok
[12:09] <Jeff1232> than I reinstalled windows
[12:10] <_evil_h_> uh oh
[12:10] <Jeff1232> now it just boots into dows
[12:10] <_evil_h_> dos? what version of windows are you using
[12:10] <Jeff1232> i mean windows
[12:10] <Jeff1232> xp
[12:10] <_evil_h_> oh ok
[12:10] <_evil_h_> was gonna say
[12:11] <Jeff1232> sorry about confusion
[12:11] <Jeff1232> lol
[12:11] <_evil_h_> np my fault
[12:11] <_evil_h_> your linux partition is still there right?
[12:11] <Jeff1232> yah
[12:11] <Jeff1232> in all its glory
[12:12] <_evil_h_> dont quote me on this but i think all you have to do is reload Grub
[12:12] <frodrigu> Hello, does anyone know if it is impossible to play .m4a files in amarok? Any help is appreciated
[12:12] <_evil_h_> but im reallly not sure. anyone else have any ideas
[12:12] <bimberi> Jeff1232: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:12] <Jeff1232> thanks
[12:13] <bimberi> Jeff1232: np
[12:13] <Jeff1232> this is my first time on irc
[12:13] <Jeff1232> which is sad, im suck a geek
[12:13] <_evil_h_> i only recently used IRC.
[12:15] <Jeff1232> im gonna be back soon
[12:15] <Jeff1232> im gonna try that rescue
[12:18] <adub> can someone tell if there is a way in kde to arrange the icons on the desktop like autoarrange in windows??
[12:18] <Rodni> I never found how to do this myself adub
[12:18] <Ahmuck> un, there is
[12:19] <_evil_h_> right click on the desktop and navigate to icons in the menu that pops up
[12:20] <Ahmuck> alighn to grid,, horizontqlly, lock in place, etc.
[12:21] <_evil_h_> speaking of icons.. how do i change the firefox icon from the little globe (or big globe rather) to the actual Firefox Logo
[12:22] <adub> Rodni   yeah i havent found a setting like this either though it wouuld be nice
[12:22] <adub> aaaaahhhhhhh lock in place sounds like a good idea i dont see the option though
[12:23] <Rodni> There it is, I might try it later on myself. Luckily I demolished my Kubuntu.
[12:23] <mnoir> evil: right click the button, configure, click picture
[12:23] <Rodni> And I did that in a record time of 3 days. Dont remember windows dieing that quickly on me :P
[12:23] <_evil_h_> yeah i just figured it out. suppose i should poke around with things before asking stupid questions
[12:24] <mnoir> naah - erase stuff first  :)
[12:24] <Hobbsee> nick Hobbsee|away
[12:24] <Hobbsee|away> grr
[12:24] <Hobbsee|away> lol
[12:24] <adub> only thing i see with lock is lock session
[12:25] <adub> and i know that cant be it
[12:25] <_evil_h_> adub: right click on an open area on the desktop. in the menu that pops up navigate to -->Icons
[12:25] <_evil_h_> all sorting options are there just like on windows ie.. align horizontally, vertically, lock etc
[12:26] <_evil_h_> Jeff_1231: how'd it go?
[12:26] <snoozix> /dev/sdb1       /mnt/mp3player  vfat   rw,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,sync    0        0
[12:26] <Jeff_1231> i got to the rescure screen and forgot what to do
[12:26] <Jeff_1231> lol
[12:26] <snoozix> shouldn't that just work?
[12:26] <_evil_h_> lol
[12:26] <adub> _evil_h_  there is not an option for locking
[12:26] <Jeff_1231> can i get that url again?
[12:26] <_evil_h_> adub: really?
[12:27] <Jeff_1231> im on a nother pc so I can follow along as I fix it
[12:27] <Jeff_1231> yah
[12:27] <adub> yep
[12:27] <_evil_h_> adub: should be last option in the Icon submenu
[12:27] <adub> _evil_h_ can you double check
[12:27] <adub> i dont have it
[12:27] <_evil_h_> adud: intersting...hmmm
[12:27] <Jeff_1231> im at a screen that says sh-3.00#
[12:28] <adub> _evil_h_ you have this option?
[12:28] <_evil_h_> adub: yes
[12:28] <adub> major odd
[12:28] <_evil_h_> adub: thats definitly one to cook your noodle on
[12:28] <_evil_h_> adub: it should be there as far as I know its a default option
[12:28] <Captainbraille> Hi everyone
[12:29] <_evil_h_> CaptainBraille: hola
[12:29] <Jeff_1231> bonjour
[12:29] <adub> _evil_h_ how can i find out what version of kde im running
[12:29] <mnoir> konichiwa
[12:29] <Captainbraille> lol
[12:29] <Jeff_1231> if I had kde open ide be able to tell you
[12:29] <Jeff_1231> lol
[12:29] <_evil_h_> adub: i don't remember. i know its something simple but i always forget it
[12:30] <_evil_h_> !version check
[12:30] <ubotu> _evil_h_: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:30] <Captainbraille> Anyone know much about KsCD
[12:30] <Jeff_1231> try right clickong on the desktop and choosing properties
[12:30] <Jeff_1231> it should say somewhere in that menu
[12:31] <Jeff_1231> i reinstalled windows and now I cant boot into kubuntu, im at the recovery screen but I dont know what to do, does anyone have the link to the wiki page?
[12:31] <adub> 3.4.3
[12:32] <Hobbsee|away> !grub
[12:32] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[12:32] <adub> right click configure desktop about
[12:32] <_evil_h_> adub: im on 3.5.1 but i know that the option was there when i was on 3.4.3
[12:32] <adub> but anyhow i was wanting to compare versions if you have lock icons then maybe i need to update my kde version
[12:32] <adub> ahhhhh
[12:32] <adub> i see
[12:32] <Jeff_1231> thanks
[12:32] <Hobbsee|away> adub: konversation --version
[12:32] <Hobbsee|away> will tell you what you're on
[12:33] <Hobbsee|away> or help, about kde
[12:33] <adub> hobbsee|away cool everything from teh command line is better
[12:33] <Rodni> isnt X-chat a lot better? I did try Konversation as it was the default but I guess its just IRC for me.
[12:33] <LjL> or cat /usr/bin/conversation | grep -o "[[:digit:] ] \.[[:digit:] ] \.[[:digit:] ] "
[12:33] <adub> yeah it says 3.4.3
[12:33] <Jeff_1231> The File /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
[12:34] <adub> what is an easy way to upgrade my kde version
[12:34] <Rodni> Im not into all this mumbo jumbo stuff. Just connect to a channel and watch text go by.
[12:34] <LjL> adub: www.kubuntu.org, look at the latest KDE releases
[12:34] <_evil_h_> that works too
[12:35] <LjL> adub: you need to add the correct line (as mentioned on kubuntu.org) to your /etc/apt/sources.list, and then "sudo apt-get update; sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[12:35] <Jeff_1231> any ideas what my erryr means, "the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctoy"
[12:35] <adub> oh i dont want to do an entire dist upgrade that takes for freakin ever
[12:35] <Hobbsee|away> adub: that's what i think as well!
[12:35] <Hobbsee|away> it's not a full dist upgrade - just an upgrade of kde
[12:35] <_evil_h_> took only 30mins for me
[12:36] <LjL> adub: you could probably just add the repository to your sources.list, "sudo aptitude install konversation", and then remove the repository then
[12:36] <_evil_h_> and that with crappy Telecom.de DSL
[12:36] <LjL> adub: but i cannot guarrantee there aren't clashes with library versions
[12:36] <adub> yeah i have had that problem before i was a headache
[12:36] <adub> i will do without the sorting of icons automatically
[12:37] <adub> dunno why i dont have the option in 3.4.4
[12:37] <adub> 3.4.3
[12:37] <_evil_h_> specially since it should be there. that was the first thing i looked for when i first installed kubuntu and started cluttering up the desktop with icons
[12:38] <LjL> what option is that?
[12:38] <_evil_h_> "lock icons"
[12:38] <Jeff_1231> im still lost
[12:38] <Jeff_1231> lol
[12:38] <_evil_h_> "lock in place" rather
[12:39] <LjL> that's a konversation option? what does it do?
[12:39] <_evil_h_> no not for konversation
[12:39] <_evil_h_> for KDE. to lock the desktop icons in place
[12:39] <LjL> oh - oh, nevermind
[12:39] <_evil_h_> :P
[12:39] <LjL> [00:32]  <Hobbsee|away> adub: konversation --version
[12:39] <LjL> that made me think it was something with konversation
[12:40] <_evil_h_> nope trying to figure out why adub doesnt have that option in the Icons submenu
[12:41] <adub> yeah
[12:41] <adub> lol
[12:41] <adub> i can take a screen shot and upload it
[12:41] <adub> does anyone else have kde 3.4.3
[12:41] <Jeff_1231> does anyone have any other ideas?
[12:42] <_evil_h_> jeff_1231: suppose you could start all over from scratch but that would really suck
[12:42] <Jeff_1231> yah
[12:42] <Jeff_1231> that was my original idea
[12:42] <_evil_h_> and im sure the smarter people on here can tell you how to fix without all that
[12:42] <Jeff_1231> yah
[12:42] <_evil_h_> im still a n00b
[12:43] <adub> _evil_h_  actually earlier today kde cause my typing to be major slow
[12:43] <Jeff_1231> a linux buddy of myne directed me to this irc room
[12:43] <adub> like i had to hold down keys forever
[12:43] <adub> and i thought the problem was with X
[12:43] <Rodni> How do I assure myself I have installed Kubuntu the way it should be without causing stupid problems like to nobody else?
[12:43] <Jeff_1231> and I need a working linux system by tomorro
[12:43] <adub> so a 5 minute problem became a 6 hour problem
[12:43] <_evil_h_> lol
[12:43] <_evil_h_> linux can be time consuming like that sometimes
[12:43] <adub> i renamed .kde to reset my default kde settings and restarted X solved the slow typing issue
[12:44] <_evil_h_> Jeff_1231: there is always Live CD
[12:44] <Jeff_1231> yah
[12:44] <Jeff_1231> i suppose
[12:44] <Jeff_1231> lol
[12:44] <_evil_h_> lol
[12:44] <adub> _evil_h_  trust me i know       took an entire day to figure out how to get monitor mode working on my orinoco gold card
[12:44] <_evil_h_> its taken me a week to get java working
[12:44] <adub> took an entire day to figure out how to get my ati graphics card working properly
[12:45] <adub> took 8 hours to figure  out how to disable synaptics
[12:45] <Jeff_1231> booting knoppix4
[12:45] <callie> ati support is sucky under linux
[12:45] <callie> next time buy Nvidia
[12:45] <_evil_h_> Nvidia has much better support for linux
[12:45] <Rodni> lol
[12:45] <adub> took a great deal of time getting xv to work so i could full screen video
[12:45] <Jeff_1231> i hate ati all toegher
[12:45] <Rodni> but what if ATI card pwns Nvidia :P
[12:45] <callie> never owned an ati
[12:45] <adub> callie yeah my 3d acceleration still isnt working great
[12:45] <Rodni> you are stuffed with windows if you are after the games
[12:46] <Ahmuck> i don't like ati either.  i wish i had purchased nvidia
[12:46] <_evil_h_> only good card from ati i like is the all in wonder series
[12:46] <adub> i mean i can watch 3d screen savers so im guessing it is working the best it can
[12:46] <callie> i've used Nvidia since day one, bout 7 years now
[12:46] <Mike> hey guys i'm having some problems with my ethernet bridge
[12:46] <adub> but people say it isnt grabbing the full potential of the card
[12:46] <Mike> i have it all configured to use my SSID, etc.
[12:46] <Mike> i plug it into my ethernet port on my laptop (zv5000)
[12:46] <callie> i dont think you'll ever get the full power of your card under linux adub
[12:47] <Mike> ping -c 5 127.0.0.1
[12:47] <Mike> and i get
[12:47] <Mike> "connect: Network is unreachable"
[12:47] <callie> firewall Mike ?
[12:47] <Mike> it's a fresh breezy install
[12:47] <Mike> i haven't been able to get online to download anything =P
[12:47] <Mike> (i'm on another laptop now)
[12:47] <callie> Mike, breazy still has a firewall
[12:48] <Mike> oooh
[12:48] <Jeff_1231> im in the mood to try a new distro but I need one with good laptop support
[12:48] <Mike> how do i go about disabling/configuring that?
[12:48] <callie> dont know if thats it though
[12:48] <callie> check your network card settings too
[12:48] <Rodni> under linux it wouldnt matter but under Windows most cards back in the 9700 range use to seriously out perform Nvidia
[12:48] <Mike> network settings
[12:48] <_evil_h_> Jeff_1231: kubuntu man. just gonna have to bite the bulet and start from scratch on installing
[12:48] <Mike> eth0 192.168.1.1 manual enabled
[12:49] <Rodni> and the other thing is Nvidia started comping up with stuff nobody will use until they create a game for that. ATI was simply more performance but crap drivers.
[12:49] <Mike> oh man hmmm, 192.168.1.1 should be my gateway
[12:49] <Rodni> Mike whats up?
[12:49] <callie> try that Mike
[12:49] <Jeff_1231> not yet
[12:49] <callie> scroll up Rodni
[12:50] <Snake__> Hmm
[12:50] <Rodni> oh yeah :)
[12:50] <Snake__> I wonder where that kid is
[12:50] <callie> lol
[12:50] <Mike> alright guys, i'm officially confused
[12:51] <Rodni> Mike, welcome to Linux
[12:51] <_evil_h_> lol
[12:51] <Mike> thanks, i'll fasten my seatbelt
[12:51] <Jeff_1231> lol
[12:51] <callie> linux isnt confusing, you're just not used to having so much power and control
[12:52] <_evil_h_> he has a good pont^^
[12:52] <Mike> so, in /sbin/route it has 192.168.1.0 with a gateway of *, mapped to eth0
[12:52] <Rodni> I suppose
[12:52] <Mike> i don't know if thats right
[12:52] <Jeff_1231> i mounted my linux directory
[12:52] <callie> Mike, the forums may more help to you here
[12:53] <Hobbsee|away> LjL: it'll tell you what version of kde you're using as well as what version of konversation you're using
[12:53] <Mike> alright callie, i'm looking at them now
[12:53] <Rodni> Jeff_1231 I was browsing trough different reviews and I havent seen anything lately but what I can suggest is, try the usual distro's you have in mind like SUSE,Fedora,Kubuntu etc etc but the new releases that are suppose to come out soon
[12:53] <_evil_h_> i need a vnc server this laptop screen is killing my eyeballs
[12:53] <Rodni> Isnt Fedora 5 out yet?
[12:53] <Jeff_1231> yah
[12:54] <callie> !nx
[12:54] <ubotu> callie: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:54] <callie> !no machine
[12:54] <ubotu> callie: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:54] <LjL> Hobbsee|away: uh, i was going to say "i can do that with you too", but i suppose i can't =)
[12:54] <_evil_h_> !42
[12:54] <Jeff_1231> im probably gonna go back to either suse or fedora
[12:54] <Jeff_1231> but theres so much more configuration than in kubuntu
[12:54] <LjL> Hobbsee: ah, no, i can. just some lag.
[12:54] <Hobbsee> lol ok then
[12:54] <callie> _evil_h_, http://www.nomachine
[12:55] <LjL> Hobbsee: though i'm really too lazy to check what version of *KDE* that corresponds to... is kde 3.5.2 out? would seem so, as your konversation is a version higher than mine
[12:56] <Hobbsee> kde 3.5.2 is not out until a couple of weeks after feature freeze
[12:56] <Hobbsee> there was a new version of konv that went into dapper a few weeks ago
[12:56] <LjL> Hobbsee: oh
[12:56] <Rodni> Yeah my frend is poking me to try Fedora 4 instead because the reason its the best distribution for me is, he has all the books! And thats what counts.
[12:57] <Rodni> I like IRC but sometimes I feel like incovenience for the users to listen to a noob asking questions. I just want to read it and find out for myself. Linux in a nutshell didnt help me much either. Lots of commands that worked but no step by step guide.
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Rodni: check out wiki.ubuntu.com :P
[12:58] <Rodni> lol you bastard
[12:58] <Jeff_1231> i used to love fedora
[12:58] <LjL> Rodni: well a very important part of learning an OS (and linux, especially) is certainly to learn how to use the "meta" tools that allow you to learn how to use the actual tools
[12:58] <Jeff_1231> but I cant get wireless on it, and i cant get sound either
[12:58] <LjL> Rodni: for example, do you know what "man -k" does?
[12:59] <callie> Rodni, lots of fedora stuff would still be applicable ot Kubuntu
[12:59] <Rodni> LjL no :(
[12:59] <Jeff_1231> you could alwayse type man man to find out
[12:59] <Rodni> manual soemthing?
[12:59] <LjL> Rodni: do you know what man does at all?
[12:59] <Rodni> manual for KDE?
[12:59] <Jeff_1231> and a command in fedora is the same as a command in any linux distry
[12:59] <Jeff_1231> man brings up the man pages
[12:59] <Jeff_1231> the man pages are the instructions for a specific program
[12:59] <LjL> Rodni: no, "man <command>" gives you the manual page for a command
[12:59] <Jeff_1231> ie if I typed man apt-get it brings the manual for apt-get
[01:00] <LjL> Rodni: what if you don't know what command you need? you type "man -k <keyword>", and that will list all the related pages
[01:00] <Rodni> I see
[01:00] <Rodni> whats the difference between man and --help?
[01:00] <LjL> Rodni: well, just try. try "ls --help" and "man ls" for example
[01:01] <LjL> Rodni: the man page will be much more verbose and complete
[01:01] <LjL> Rodni: "--help" will just list the options, with a very short description of their meanings
[01:01] <Rodni> Ive been doing it the wrong way around then
[01:01] <LjL> Rodni: "info" is another important command (though i mostly use "man" pages)
[01:02] <_evil_h_> whaa! dependency errors
[01:02] <callie> man pages are great for reference but rarely give much insight into the proper use of commands
[01:02] <LjL> Rodni: also, "howto" is a word that you should try when you google something about linux. for example, suppose that you need to learn how to use a cd burner... try typing "cd writing howto" into google
[01:02] <Jeff_1231> i think im gonna backup my home directory and just install suse
[01:03] <Jeff_1231> im in the mood for some change
[01:03] <Jeff_1231> lol
[01:03] <Jeff_1231> no
[01:03] <LjL> Rodni: the first site that you will find that way (http://www.tldp.org/) is one of the chief linux resources
[01:04] <spike> hi
[01:04] <_evil_h_> hola
[01:04] <spike> can anybody help me with a laptop and multimedia keys?
[01:04] <spike> I cant change the volume
[01:04] <_evil_h_> heheh
[01:04] <Rodni> You are right Im just browsing at some of this howto's
[01:04] <spike> I've set the keyboard model under kcontrol -> keyboard layout
[01:04] <spike> actually I had kmilo service running, and it was working
[01:04] <spike> but only for master channel
[01:05] <Rodni> I usually use that mainly when I look on way of repairing something on my BMW] 
[01:05] <spike> which means when wearing headphones it wont help at all
[01:05] <spike> and apparently there's not way to tell it to change PCM chan
[01:08] <Rodni> bye all
[01:17] <mike> hey guys, me again
[01:17] <mike> i got my ethernet working =D
[01:17] <mike> however, quick mounting question
[01:17] <mike> i'm trying to mount my windows partition so that i can read my files from it
[01:17] <mike> i have to mount it using sudo
[01:17] <mike> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[01:18] <mike> but now when I try to go and see the files in it, I get a permission denied error (presumably because i'm not root)
[01:19] <_evil_h_> !nomachine
[01:19] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _evil_h_
[01:20] <_evil_h_> !nxserver
[01:20] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _evil_h_
[01:20] <LjL> !netfs
[01:20] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, LjL
[01:20] <LjL> !ntfs
[01:20] <ubotu> rumour has it, ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[01:21] <_evil_h_> !vnc
[01:21] <ubotu> vnc is, like, totally, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-36715.html http://www.tightvnc.com/docs.html
[01:26] <Hostile> has anyone here got the fglrx drivers working in dapper?
[01:27] <Snake__> Hostile: didnt you ask that yezzerda
[01:27] <Snake__> yezzerday*
[01:27] <Hostile> Snake__: yeah, asking everyday
[01:27] <Hostile> hoping to someday find help.
[01:27] <Snake__> Heh
[01:27] <juan> Hola.
[01:28] <Hobbsee> Hostile: ask freeflying when he comes in
[01:28] <Hostile> Hobbsee: will he be in later tonight?
[01:28] <Hostile> unix_infidel: guess what? teh gui pwns you
[01:28] <Hostile> lol jk
[01:28] <Snake__> Rofl
[01:28] <Hobbsee> got no idea
[01:28] <Hostile> Hobbsee: k thanks
[01:29] <unix_infidel> hey guys, been in here a couple times, been wondering whenever i close my lid or unplug my ac adapter and such, i seem to change governors on my cpufreq daemon.
[01:29] <Snake__> Hostile: do you remeber the name of that kid I was helpin out ysterday?
[01:29] <_achew22> how do you change your screen resolution so that its above 800x600? Its not an option in the screen settings.
[01:30] <Hostile> Snake__: nope?
[01:30] <Snake__> Damn :(
[01:31] <_achew22> will I have to edit the xorg.conf file?
[01:31] <Snake__> Violence much?
[01:31] <Hostile> haha
[01:31] <Hostile> Yes Snake__ very much so.
[01:31] <Snake__> Go for it
[01:31] <Snake__> lol
[01:31] <Hostile> (SmrtJustin is my bro)
[01:32] <Hostile> A very profound Kubuntu n00b
[01:32] <Hostile> a former gentoo user, point and laugh now
[01:32] <SmrtJustin> yep, I am
[01:33] <_achew22> any ideas?
[01:33] <Snake__> _achew22: no sorry :(
[01:34] <unix_infidel> LOL, wow dude just wants to know how to change rez and no one knows?
[01:34] <unix_infidel> _achew22: man xorg.conf and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change resolution.
[01:34] <unix_infidel> youll need to log in and out iirc, or atleast restart X
[01:34] <unix_infidel> unless your on a laptop which has a native resolution like WXGA or sxga+ etc, in which case you arent likely to change the rez any higher.
[01:36] <Hostile> I didn't even see his question
[01:37] <_achew22> ohh my lord... the screen is so small that I cant seethe administration button
[01:37] <Hostile> haha
[01:38] <_achew22> whats the alt+ key for the administration button?
[01:39] <callie> is there a meta package for kde 3.5.1?
[01:39] <Hobbsee> hold alt + click and drag the window
[01:39] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5.1
[01:39] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[01:39] <callie> dist upgrade, scary!
[01:40] <Hostile> I do dist-upgrade everyday?
[01:40] <Hostile> Wireless blows
[01:40] <Hostile> no offense
[01:40] <Hostile> unless its a laptop
[01:41] <Hobbsee> yeah, this is a laptop
[01:41] <Hostile> ok then its alright :)
[01:41] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:41] <Hostile> Wireless on desktop = lame
[01:41] <Hobbsee> yeah, what's the point?
[01:41] <Hostile> Cat 5 on desktop = teh win
[01:42] <callie> gonna need some RJ45s too
[01:42] <callie> and a router
[01:42] <Hostile> You know what i mean.
[01:42] <callie> lol
[01:42] <callie> do i?
[01:42] <Hostile> you do now.
[01:42] <callie> erm
[01:42] <callie> play nice now
[01:43] <Hostile> there
[01:43] <Hostile> lol jk
[01:43] <callie> and quit touching me ya sicko
[01:43] <Hostile> there
[01:43] <Hostile> we're done.
[01:43] <callie> wow
[01:43] <callie> hah
[01:44] <callie> you can read that in so many ways
[01:44] <Hostile> Yup.
[01:47] <achew22_> okay... i'm angry... i typoed my hostname
[01:47] <Snake__> lol
[01:47] <achew22_> i'm so fu**ed
[01:48] <achew22_> it wont let me sudo
[01:48] <Snake__> achew22_: you can set it with the hostname command
[01:49] <achew22_> it won't let me sudo
[01:49] <callie> will it let you sudo?
[01:49] <Snake__> Oh
[01:50] <achew22_> any ideas?
[01:50] <callie> sudo please?
[01:50] <Psi-Jack> !source-o-matic
[01:50] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:50] <callie> sudo i'll buy you some more ram?
[01:52] <bimberi> achew22_: i think you need to edit the files /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname - you can do so by booting into recovery mode
[01:52] <achew22_> okay...
[01:52] <achew22_> brb
[01:52] <achew22_> thankyou so much bimberi
[01:52] <bimberi> achew22_: np, but see if it works first :)
[01:53] <achew22_> what text editor does kubuntu come with?
[01:53] <achew22_> nevermind, its vi. How do you quit vi?
[01:53] <achew22_> and how do you save?
[01:53] <bimberi> achew22_: :wq
[01:54] <bimberi> achew22_: you should also have nano, which some people find more intuitive :)
[01:54] <achew22_> i like nano but you have to apt-get it
[01:54] <bimberi> achew22_: ah, kk
[01:55] <achew22_> can I get a valid sample hostname?
[01:55] <achew22_> would 127.0.0.1 work?
[01:56] <callie> brb
[01:56] <callie> kde 3.5.1 here i come
[01:59] <achew22_> bimberi: what is a valid hostname?
[02:00] <bimberi> achew22_: good question, i don't know the rules precisely.  I guess something that starts with letter and only has letters and numbers would be OK
[02:00] <achew22_> I set my hostname to MythTV
[02:00] <achew22_> why doesn't that work?
[02:00] <tehuti> anyone here use myspace? firefox crashes when it tries to load those flash based song players
[02:01] <achew22_> tehuti: you should uninstall flash
[02:01] <bimberi> achew22_: 'mythtv' perhaps?
[02:01] <tehuti> thanks achew22_, then what?
[02:01] <tehuti> I've uninstalled flash
[02:02] <tehuti> it was uninstalled from the start, and there was a green symbol suggesting a missing plugin
[02:02] <achew22_> tehuti: just leave it uninstalled. its a major waste of system resources, it is terrible
[02:02] <tehuti> so I installed it using adept
[02:02] <tehuti> achew22_ I would rather a working browser that displayed plugins properly
[02:02] <tehuti> I have enough system resources to handle it
[02:02] <achew22_> ohh
[02:03] <tehuti> guess I'll just have to use Windows when I feel like browsing anything flash-based
[02:03] <achew22_> try uninstalling it then reinstalling
[02:04] <tehuti> could you be specific at all about which packages I should reinstall?
[02:04] <achew22_> firefox should make a sugestion
[02:05] <achew22_> thats how I would go
[02:05] <Ahmuck> tehuti: firefoox will do flash
[02:09] <Toothpick> Will the latest kubuntu install cd have 3d accelerated ati drivers?
[02:11] <Jeff_1231> i gave up and reinstalled kubuntu
[02:11] <Jeff_1231> but iI backed up my home directory
[02:12] <Jeff_1231> i should make a new partition jsut for my home directory
[02:12] <Toothpick> Jeff_1231: I did that going to try install kubuntu tonight.
[02:13] <Toothpick> I'm just concerned about having accelerated graphics for my ati card.
[02:13] <Toothpick> I want to play chromium.
[02:14] <douglas> How is dapper flight 4?\
[02:15] <Toothpick> If I'm follwing correctly after I install kubuntu (regardless of the version) apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade will keep it current?
[02:15] <Hostile> hey freeflying-ibook you around?
[02:18] <Hostile> Toothpick: you are correct
[02:19] <Hostile> freeflying-ibook: when you see this I want to ask you something
[02:19] <Toothpick> Hostile: thanks, and what about the 3d acceleartion do you know if it supports ati 3d?
[02:19] <freeflying-ibook> Hostile: hi
[02:19] <Hostile> Toothpick: yeah read in ubuntuforums.org
[02:19] <Toothpick> ok, thanks
[02:19] <Hostile> freeflying-ibook: Someone told me to ask you about fglrx in dapper
[02:20] <brydenn> is there a program for Ubuntu that does similar things to IsoBuster?
[02:20] <freeflying-ibook> Hostile: I have not use fglx at all , :)
[02:20] <freeflying-ibook> s/use/used
[02:21] <Hostile> Hobbsee why was I supposed to ask freeflying then ? lol
[02:21] <Hobbsee> i thougth you said you had freeflying-ibook!
[02:21] <Hobbsee> oops...sorry...
[02:22] <Hostile> haha I had my hopes up that someone could help too :(
[02:23] <PaloDeQueso> Would changing my repositories to dapper upgrade me fully to what flight 4 is?
[02:23] <freeflying-ibook> Hobbsee: yeah .I'm using ibook now , but I have not used fglx driver
[02:23] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:23] <Hobbsee> PaloDeQueso: yes, it would
[02:24] <PaloDeQueso> Hobbsee: I'm tempted, xgl = drool.
[02:24] <freeflying-ibook> Hobbsee: Maybe I'll have a try on that
[02:24] <Hobbsee> lol k
[02:24] <Hostile> so am I on flight 4 with all my repositories on dapper?
[02:25] <PaloDeQueso> yes
[02:25] <_achew22> i'm so glad I own a domain name
[02:25] <Snake__> _achew22: why
[02:25] <Hostile> I own a domain name!
[02:25] <Hostile> I want a cookie!
[02:25] <_achew22> I made a domain name and I just set it on the hostname file
[02:25] <PaloDeQueso> I asked and hobbsee just said so
[02:25] <_achew22> that way I KNEW it would resolve
[02:25] <PaloDeQueso> No
[02:25] <PaloDeQueso> No cookie for you.
[02:25] <_achew22> no soup for you!
[02:25] <Hobbsee> as long as you sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, yes
[02:25] <tecs> hi after upgrading last night using update manager.....and successfully installing upgrades.... this morning just now my computer when grub booted....windows is gone from the menu
[02:25] <Hostile> Neato
[02:26] <Hostile> I feel special
[02:26] <Hostile> not really, I have no 3d accel
[02:26] <Hostile> Fck you ATI!
[02:26] <Snake__> Hostile: AMEN!
[02:26] <mister_roboto> does anyone here run dapper inside vmware?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> tecs: add it again, to the bottom?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> tecs: http://pastebin.com/563701 is an example one - modify it to be where your win partition is
[02:30] <Hostile> yeah Snake__ I love my ATi in windows
[02:30] <Hostile> bot
[02:30] <Hostile> but linux*
[02:30] <Hostile> ugh
[02:31] <Hostile> I usuall stick to NVIDIA but I got a 200 dollar ATi for 100 bucks on black friday at Best Buy so =\
[02:31] <Hostile> usually*
[02:34] <brydenn> ok how do i access windows apps i've installed via WINE?
[02:34] <brydenn> cant seem to find any shortcuts in the KDE menu, etc
[02:34] <Hostile> brydenn: they are located in ~/.wine
[02:35] <brydenn> ok thanks
[02:35] <Hostile> Np
[02:35] <tecs> hi, after upgrading yesterday my windows is now gone from my grub menu. i upgraded using upgrade mangaer and upgraded all the avail;able upgrades for my packages
[02:36] <Hostile> tecs just re add it to the grub file
[02:36] <tecs> im sorry but how do i do that?
[02:36] <tecs> i eman when i install kubuntu it autodetected windows...
[02:37] <tecs> can you help me
[02:37] <Hostile> Hmm
[02:38] <Hostile> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-11359.html
[02:38] <Hostile> take a look at that
[02:38] <piromana> is there a way to run a gnome applet (glunarcock) in KDE (kubuntu/dapper)?
[02:38] <Hostile> piromana: prolly not very efficiently
[02:39] <Snake__> Hey guys is there a way for me to easily make a live CD that just plays atlantik, and thats it?
[02:39] <Snake__> Based off of knoppix, prefrerbly
[02:39] <piromana> Hostile .. hmmm :(
[02:39] <Hostile> piromana: You'll have to load a crapload of GNOME stuff, its not worth it
[02:40] <brydenn> so hey... to make file UN-hidden... all i have to do is get rid of the DOT in front of the file name right?
[02:40] <callie> yup
[02:40] <brydenn> coolio
[02:40] <brydenn> :)
[02:40] <callie> what are you un hiding?
[02:40] <tecs> where do i find the grub menu?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Psi-Jack: ask in #suse how you can update from 10.0 to 10.1 please :P
[02:41] <Hobbsee> tecs: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:41] <tecs> thnx
[02:41] <brydenn> callie... Azureus automatically hides itself
[02:41] <brydenn> i just wanted to unhid it
[02:41] <bimberi> Snake__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[02:41] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee: Eh?
[02:41] <Snake__> bimberi: thanks man, ill look into it
[02:41] <callie> just be careful that by changing the path name you dont srew things up brydenn
[02:42] <bimberi> Snake__: np :)
[02:42] <callie> s/srew/screw
[02:42] <tecs> title Windows XP 64
[02:42] <tecs> root (hd0,0)
[02:42] <tecs> savedefault
[02:42] <tecs> makeactive
[02:42] <tecs> chainloader +1
[02:42] <tecs> sorry for that
[02:42] <brydenn> callie: i know
[02:42] <tecs> but do i need to add a boot? at the last part as other options have in the mnu.lst?
[02:42] <Snake__> aw man I dont have enough resources for that
[02:43] <callie> brydenn, just checking dude
[02:43] <callie> you did ask after all brydenn
[02:43] <brydenn> so callie. do you know of any programs that are LIKE IsoHunt... for Linux?
[02:43] <brydenn> sorry
[02:43] <brydenn> not IsoHunt... but IsoBuster
[02:43] <callie> nope, dont torrent
[02:43] <Hobbsee> tecs: add it at the end...
[02:43] <piromana> Hostile - it seems like, unfortunately, you're right - some related discussion here: http://dot.kde.org/977615897/
[02:44] <tecs> btw, what is chainloader +1 for?
[02:44] <Hostile> piromana: sorry :(
[02:44] <Hostile> tecs: I think for the Windows loader or something
[02:44] <Hostile> just leave it
[02:45] <tecs> ok i go reboot and try it i hope it works....thanks
[02:45] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee: Heh, Now I see what you mean. :)
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:46] <Hobbsee> so it's the same as kubuntu, i see
[02:46] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[02:46] <Psi-Jack> Hmm?
[02:46] <Hobbsee> but kubuntu's easier - it's only got one darned cd, not 5 - then you only need the updates
[02:46] <Hobbsee> in dist-upgrading to the next release
[02:48] <Psi-Jack> You can just change the repos from breezy to dapper, and dist-upgrade, with a good level of safety, though, can't you?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> depends - i've had one of two dist-upgrades to breezy work correctly
[02:48] <Hobbsee> this is while it was still in development
[02:48] <Psi-Jack> Hehe.
[02:48] <bimberi> similar here, but after breezy's release
[02:49] <Psi-Jack> But, I mean, if I dist-upgraded one of my two servers, which doesn't have X or anything but basic servers, it should thoeretically work no?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> anything's possible
[02:49] <bimberi> however i don't think i had (k)ubuntu-desktop installed as the upgrade wiki for breezy stated
[02:49] <bimberi> !breezy
[02:49] <Hobbsee> the first time i tried, it died completely - some packages upgraded, i had no X, no internet, and it was still showing breezy
[02:49] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[02:50] <Psi-Jack> I think I'm gonna try it on my testserver1
[02:50] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, is there a dapper-security repo?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:51] <Psi-Jack> Okay. :)
[02:51] <randabis> howdy
[02:51] <Hobbsee> it's not being used much yet though, i think - because new versions are still going in
[02:51] <Hobbsee> bimberi: argh yuck lol
[02:51] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee: Yeah, I just wanted to know if I could reliably change security.u.c 's breezy-security to dapper-security
[02:51] <Hobbsee> yeah, you can
[02:51] <randabis> Anyone experienced with the bcm43xx kernel driver included in dapper?
[02:51] <bimberi> Hobbsee: indeed :)
[02:52] <Hobbsee> just because there's hardly anything there will not give you an error message
[02:52] <Hobbsee> but it will be used
[02:52] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, you sure?
[02:52] <Psi-Jack> Err http://security.ubuntu.com daper-security/universe Packages
[02:52] <Psi-Jack>   404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[02:52] <Psi-Jack> Shoot me.
[02:52] <_root> hi all
[02:52] <Psi-Jack> Shoot me now. ;)
[02:53] <_root> hey how can i connect eith an openldap room?
[02:53] <Psi-Jack> Hehehe
[02:53] <Psi-Jack> _root: First of all, STOP IRCing as root.
[02:53] <marcuzzo> ok
[02:54] <Psi-Jack> marcuzzo: You're still root.
[02:54] <marcuzzo> i wanna know the way i log in other rooms like openldap
[02:54] <Psi-Jack> I'm afraid, I don't help people who use their root account to use IRC. root is not for "normal user" use.
[02:54] <marcuzzo> well?
[02:54] <Unununium> Hello, I am setting up this laptop for my brother's use, and I'm having difficulty making mp3s work everywhere.  I'm using Dapper (bad idea?); things worked in Breezy.
[02:55] <marcuzzo> lol
[02:55] <Unununium> Are there any known issues above and beyond the usual install-this, install-that FAQs?
[02:56] <ryanakca> I installed glib2.6.8 from source, when I try to upgrade gtk+ to gtk+2.8.12, it gives me an error saying *** 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.8.6, but GLIB (2.8.3)
[02:56] <ryanakca> *** was found! If pkg-config was correct, then it is best
[02:56] <ryanakca> *** to remove the old version of GLib
[02:57] <ryanakca> oops, that was supposed to be one line sorry
[02:57] <Psi-Jack> Welp, here goes a dist-upgrade. :)
[02:57] <mnoir> ununun(etc): you mean besides the advice to not use dapper as yer regular desktop?
[02:57] <Unununium> Heh, yeah. :^)
[02:57] <marcuzzo> then does anybody meke me know i can change room n this hell of chat?
[02:57] <ryanakca> anywais, when I try to uninstall glib 2.8.3 that came with kubuntu breezy, it tells me it would have to uninstall all my apps
[02:58] <tarik> HI! HOW CAN I ADD A SKRIPT TO EXECUTED IN IRC
[02:58] <tarik> HI! HOW CAN I ADD A SKRIPT TO EXECUTED IN IRC
[02:58] <Psi-Jack> tarik: Nice flood.
[02:58] <marcuzzo> psi jack
[02:58] <tarik> sorry
[02:58] <ryanakca> I dont want to do that, I simply want to remove the old version of glib. any idea what to do?
[02:58] <Psi-Jack> tarik: *sighs* Since you felt the need to SHOUT LIKE AN IDIOT, I will only say this. Learn some manners. :p
[02:59] <marcuzzo> you are usual yo stay always in this room or sometimes change?
[02:59] <tarik> come on someone tell em please
[02:59] <tarik> me
[02:59] <Psi-Jack> marcuzzo: IRC doesn't have "rooms."
[02:59] <marcuzzo> romms canls.....it's the same
[02:59] <JasonF> tarik: your actions somewhat prove you'd be irresponsible with an irc script
[02:59] <marcuzzo> canals
[02:59] <Psi-Jack> channels, actually. IRC definately doesn't have any canals.
[03:00] <tarik> i have a script i just need to install or whatever it
[03:00] <marcuzzo> what the fuckers idiot are here..... lololololol i
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Psi-Jack: you spelt dapper wrong hehe - hence why you didnt find it
[03:01] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee: LOL. You know what I just realized?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> what?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> gah darn it!
[03:01] <Hobbsee> too slow
[03:01] <tarik> I just want to execut a skrip! please tell me how to
[03:01] <Hobbsee> tarik: what kind of script?
[03:01] <tarik> it is an log in skript
[03:01] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee: Yeah, I noticed that, But what I just realized, I really hope that dist-upgrade works, because I just started the dist-upgrade on that test server, which has a bad CD-ROM drive. (I barely got kubuntu server-mode to install on it).
[03:02] <Hobbsee> hehe ouch
[03:02] <Hobbsee> i hope so too
[03:02] <bimberi> :)
[03:02] <tarik> i want to type in /hhh and a server should open with my account onfo
[03:02] <Psi-Jack> But, it's still downloading. ;)
[03:02] <ryanakca> I installed glib2.6.8 from source, when I try to upgrade gtk+ to gtk+2.8.12, it gives me an error saying *** 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.8.6, but GLIB (2.8.3) *** was found! If pkg-config was correct, then it is best *** to remove the old version of GLib
[03:03] <tarik> I did it on windows but on linux it is not simular
[03:03] <tarik> there is nothing like romote
[03:03] <ryanakca> however, when I try to remove the old version of glib (2.8.3) that came with kubuntu, threw kynaptic/synaptic, it tries to uninstall all my gui applications.. or almost all of them
[03:03] <ryanakca> tarik: Ever heard of google?
[03:03] <tarik> i did
[03:03] <tarik> but i need interactive help
[03:03] <ryanakca> tarik: try searching this: <programname> + loding scripts
[03:04] <Psi-Jack> acpi=off in the kernel line of grub /should/ turn off the ACPI support, right?
[03:04] <alainm> anyone install on a shuttle xpc?
[03:04] <Unununium> Right... with Dapper, are there any known issues with mp3 playback in amaroK and Kaffeine?
[03:04] <ryanakca> anybody?
[03:04] <bimberi> tarik: the website for your IRC client should have some help. For example for xchat there's - http://xchat.org/docs/
[03:04] <tarik> thx
[03:05] <Psi-Jack> Well, ragnarok goes up to Dapper, while Valhalla will soon follow, IF ragnarok is a success..
[03:06] <ryanakca> even better: is there a repository for gtk+2.8.12 in kubuntu breezy???
[03:07] <_achew22> is there a way to make apt not prompt and just install stuff?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Unununium: works here, if you get the codecs, IIRC
[03:07] <Hobbsee> sure, but it's dangerous - sudo apt-get install -y blah blah blah
[03:07] <_achew22> how is it dangerous?
[03:08] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: who you talking to? Me or Ununium?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> well, dist-upgrade -y is dangerous, i suppose
[03:08] <_achew22> yeah i won't dist-upgrade
[03:08] <tecs> Hobbsee: thanks its working fine now....anyways i jsut would like to know how did that happen in the fiorst place
[03:08] <Hobbsee> _achew22: just means it's hard to cancel the download if you suddenly find it removes kde or something :P - which i've done
[03:09] <ryanakca> is there a repository that contains gtk+2.8.12 for kubuntu breezy?
[03:09] <tecs> how was my grub menu over written? without me knowing it
[03:10] <Hobbsee> tecs: kernel update
[03:10] <Mike91> hey guys, i'm trying to install my broadcom wireless chipset
[03:11] <Mike91> i have an amd64 system, so that made it a little bit more difficult
[03:11] <tarik> Ok it didn't help me so someone of you may help me. I just want to type in /mr-psie and than the channel with my account info shoul start up. I got the skript or how ever you call it. I just need to know where to type it in. Thats all please help me!
[03:11] <Unununium> Hobbsee: I wonder if this has anything to do with the unavailability of amarok-gstreamer...
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Unununium: use amarok-xine
[03:11] <Mike91> i installed the netbc564 drivers with ndiswrapper
[03:11] <Toothpick> last question before trying to install...is ndiswrapper built in?
[03:12] <Toothpick> I have the necessary .inf .sys files on my home partition.
[03:12] <ryanakca> is there a repository that contains gtk+2.8.12 for breezy?
[03:12] <Mike91> and i have it set up enough so that it shows as being connected to my network
[03:12] <Mike91> however, when i ping 192.168.1.1 (my router) it doesn't get anything back
[03:12] <Mike91> and i don't have net access
[03:12] <Mike91> any idea?
[03:12] <ryanakca> anybody know?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> Mike91: is the card flashing?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: no idea
[03:13] <ryanakca> kk
[03:13] <Toothpick> answered
[03:13] <tecs> ic thanks again man good to have you here:) thnks ill be going now:)
[03:13] <Mike91> Hobbsee: no
[03:13] <Mike91> but it shows in iwconfig
[03:13] <Mike91> as well as ifconfig
[03:14] <Hobbsee> it's supposed to flash, i take it?
[03:14] <ryanakca> I guess I could just upgrade to dapper... I'd get GIMP2.10, a more recent version of gtk with it, more recent versions of everything... methinks
[03:14] <Mike91> well, I know on windows the button lights up
[03:14] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: it has some bugs though
[03:14] <Mike91> not totally sure if that's an indication of it working on kubuntu
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Mike91: want to paste ifconfig and iwconfig to pastebin?  i'm wondering if the essid is set
[03:14] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I know... I dont mind submitting bugs
[03:14] <Unununium> Hobbsee: thank you very much for pointing me in the right direction
[03:14] <Kaiser_Sleeps> "some bugs"
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Unununium: no problems
[03:14] <ryanakca> lol
[03:14] <Unununium> xine solved my problem
[03:14] <Hobbsee> hehe, some, yes
[03:15] <Unununium> So yes :^)
[03:15] <Hobbsee> yeah, they replaced it a few weeks ago
[03:15] <ryanakca> is it "overly risky"???
[03:15] <Unununium> Well, I'm off... bye
[03:16] <Hobbsee> it's safer to get the flight 4 cd and upgrade from there
[03:16] <Mike91> hobbsee: i'm on a different system right now, so no copy/paste
[03:16] <Hobbsee> ok
[03:16] <Mike91> but the essid is set to the ssid of my network
[03:16] <Hobbsee> what does the essid say?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> good
[03:16] <Hobbsee> and ndiswrapper -l says hardware present?
[03:17] <Mike91> drivers present, hardware present
[03:17] <ryanakca> hmmm... what about "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[03:17] <Mike91> KWifiManager says i'm connected to my network
[03:17] <Hobbsee> kwifimanager lies :P
[03:17] <Mike91> however it also says AccessPoint: UNKNOWN
[03:17] <Hobbsee> try a sudo dhclient wlan0
[03:18] <Mike91> hmm
[03:18] <tarik> Ok it didn't help me so someone of you may help me. I just want to type in /mr-psie and than the channel with my account info shoul start up. I got the skript or how ever you call it. I just need to know where to type it in. Thats all please help me!
[03:18] <gach> well hello
[03:18] <Mike91> two "sit0: unknown hardware address type 776"
[03:18] <gach> do any  of you guys know howto install xorg 7 oon breezy??
[03:19] <jlund> Where can I find the Dapper bugzilla? I have been testing Flight-4 on AMD64 and I've encountered some bugs that I would like to report.
[03:19] <Mike91> then a couple DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval X
[03:19] <Mike91> and finally "No DHCPOFFERS received." "No working leases in persistent database - sleeping"
[03:19] <crimsun> jlund: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[03:20] <Mike91> so it seems like it thinks 255.2555.255.255 is my gateway?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> possibly - you can specify it in /etc/network/interfaces
[03:20] <crimsun> Mike91: no, dhcp discover packets are sent to the broadcast address
[03:21] <Mike91> Hobbsee: ok i opened that file, how/where would I specify it?
[03:21] <Hobbsee> i'll pastebin mine...
[03:21] <Mike91> crimsun: could you elaborate please? does this mean my broadcast address is incorrect? what should it be?
[03:22] <crimsun> Mike91: I'm missing context
[03:22] <Psi-Jack> Well.
[03:22] <Psi-Jack> It didn't work smoothly, that's for sure..
[03:22] <Psi-Jack> coreutils failed to manage a local divert. :/
[03:22] <Mike91> crimsun: wireless network card for laptop says that it's connected to my network, but i can't ping router/don't have net access
[03:22] <Hobbsee> Mike91: http://pastebin.com/563765
[03:22] <Hobbsee> and the card isnt flashing either
[03:23] <crimsun> Mike91: open AP or using WEP/WPA/RSN?
[03:23] <Mike91> open
[03:23] <crimsun> Mike91: and iwconfig shows that it's associated to your AP?
[03:24] <Mike91> hobbsee: it seems that you didn't specify an address for wireless? just for eth0?
[03:24] <Mike91> crimsun: yes
[03:24] <Hobbsee> yeah - i had one specified before though - it's the same idea
[03:24] <crimsun> Mike91: what hardware?
[03:25] <Mike91> broadcom chipset (not totally sure exact, it's a pavilion zv5000) on an amd64
[03:26] <Mike91> kernel is amd64-generic
[03:26] <crimsun> is this on Dapper Flight 4?
[03:26] <Mike91> i believe its the BCM43xx series
[03:26] <crimsun> any ndiswrapper/bcm43xx reports on amd64 prior to Dapper 4 are likely to be prioritised very low
[03:27] <FlakJacket> so why is it that Linux has such trouble with wifi?
[03:27] <Mike91> Dapper4?
[03:27] <crimsun> Mike91: Dapper Flight 4
[03:27] <Mike91> I'm new to linux =/
[03:27] <Mike91> as in, this is my first real dive into linux
[03:28] <crimsun> Mike91: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-February/000050.html
[03:28] <jlund> crimsun - thanks, bug submitted
[03:28] <FlakJacket> so is there a release date for dapper stable?
[03:28] <jlund> FlakJacket - April
[03:28] <Hobbsee> april 20 IIRC
[03:28] <FlakJacket> cool
[03:29] <Hobbsee> what the heck is my dapper doing that's making it respond so slowlY???
[03:29] <FlakJacket> so how will you upgrade?
[03:29] <Mike91> this is Kubuntu Breezy
[03:29] <Mike91> I downloaded it onto a CD and installed yesterday
[03:29] <Hobbsee> !upgrade2breezy
[03:29] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[03:29] <Hobbsee> follow that guide, but substitute breezy for dapper
[03:29] <FlakJacket> oh...
[03:30] <crimsun> Hobbsee: it's the evil green monsters.
[03:30] <morefiend> hello
[03:30] <Mike91> hobbsee: was that referred to me?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> was directed at FlakJacket
[03:30] <Hobbsee> crimsun: huh lol?
[03:30] <morefiend> is there a freenode channel for growisofs questions
[03:31] <Mike91> morefiend: list?
[03:31] <crimsun> Hobbsee: they're slowing down your Dapper
[03:31] <morefiend> i can never get it to work right
[03:31] <Hobbsee> ah, right, yes
[03:31] <Hobbsee> i dunno, maybe it's cos i'm thinking of trying out suse adn tehy dont like that
[03:32] <crimsun> yes, they're evil like that.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> mmm...must be
[03:34] <Mike91> well according to my friend
[03:34] <Mike91> my chip won't work whatsoever with a 64 bit kernel
[03:35] <crimsun> have you tried with a Flight 4 live cd? :-)
[03:35] <Mike91> ahh thats what you were saying
[03:35] <Mike91> i'm sorry :P
[03:36] <Mike91> i'm a bit tired today
[03:36] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i think the evil green monsters are called the latest revision of firefox
[03:36] <Hobbsee> i may well grab it from mozilla site, and stikc it into /otp
[03:36] <Hobbsee> */opt
[03:36] <crimsun> uh oh?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> seems that it's been slower and firefox has been freezing more since then
[03:39] <jlund> Is anyone else running Flight 4 on AMD64?
[03:52] <Psi-Jack> Is there a way to get apt-cache, or search basically, only by packages that are installed?
[03:53] <Elsan_> What Kubuntu-specific improvement Dapper will hvae?
[03:53] <Elsan_> have*
[03:53] <Psi-Jack> Elsan_: KDE 3.5.1, standard. :)
[03:53] <paxmaster_> where the font directory will be for mplayer
[03:54] <Elsan_> Well... Besides?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Psi-Jack: see adept
[03:54] <paxmaster_> i have compile it from sources
[03:54] <Elsan_> I already use 3.5.1
[03:54] <Elsan_> I think KDE 4 will be out by then...
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Elsan_: new version of adept, new versoin of lots of other apps, an update notifier, everything's faster
[03:54] <Psi-Jack> It won't.
[03:55] <Psi-Jack> KDE 4.0 is just starting to get brainstormed on.
[03:56] <bimberi> Psi-Jack: 'dpkg -l | grep ^ii' will list only installed packages, you might be able to work with that
[03:56] <Elsan_> Oh ok
[03:57] <Elsan_> But... Will Kubuntu make changes the scope of Ubuntu's on Gnome?
[04:04] <KaoticEvil> anyone got a good link for a HOWTO for a kernel installation guide on kubuntu?
[04:05] <bimberi> KaoticEvil: there's this ...
[04:05] <bimberi> !kernelcompile
[04:05] <ubotu> You will probably find info about this at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[04:05] <KaoticEvil> that would work :D
[04:05] <bimberi> :)
[04:05] <KaoticEvil> i tried using just kernel to ubotu, but it didnt work :P
[04:07] <bimberi> KaoticEvil: "listvals" is handy.  For example...
[04:07] <bimberi> !listvals kernel
[04:07] <ubotu> Factoid search of 'kernel' by value (12 shown): mark ;; firewall ;; vmware ;; kqemu ;; kqemu #DEL# ;; kernelsource ;; kernelhowto ;; kernelcompile ;; kernel ;; iptables ;; linux ;; ntfstools.
[04:07] <KaoticEvil> ah, wasnt aware of that command
[04:09] <KaoticEvil> ok, now to get ndiswrapper... and figure it out...
[04:10] <brydenn> anyone got a nice ISO icon?
[04:10] <brydenn> doesnt have to be "program specific"
[04:10] <brydenn> just want a nice looking icon for an ISO image
[04:15] <Psi-Jack> An.. ISO icon?
[04:15] <brydenn> yes Psi-Jack
[04:15] <brydenn> hehe not sure if there is such a thing
[04:16] <brydenn> ok here's the thing... i installed IsoBuster on here
[04:16] <brydenn> run it in Wine
[04:16] <Psi-Jack> You mean to display in Konqueror for files with .iso?
[04:16] <brydenn> naw
[04:16] <brydenn> just making a shortcut on my desktop
[04:16] <brydenn> for IsoBuster
[04:16] <Psi-Jack> Why the heck are you using isobuster?
[04:16] <brydenn> But there are no real good icons for IsoBuster
[04:16] <brydenn> cuz its good?
[04:16] <Psi-Jack> Linux can loopmount ISO's natively.
[04:17] <brydenn> lol
[04:17] <Psi-Jack> Obviously. :p
[04:17] <brydenn> and how can i do that?
[04:18] <brydenn> cuz when i go to click on a .bin file it asks me what program to open it with
[04:18] <brydenn> i already extracted what i wanted but.. i'd really like to find a linux app thats like IsoBuster
[04:18] <Psi-Jack> You won't find one "like" that garbage program. We got better. Loopmounting ISO's directly. :)
[04:19] <brydenn> heh
[04:19] <brydenn> hmmm then how do you do it?
[04:19] <brydenn> cuz its really easy for me to point click and extract
[04:19] <brydenn> ;)
[04:20] <harritj> man mount ;)
[04:20] <Psi-Jack> Google. :)
[04:20] <Psi-Jack> And man mount, too, yes.
[04:20] <brydenn> alright :)
[04:20] <brydenn> thanks guys
[04:20] <harritj> mount -o loop -t iso9660 /path/to/iso /path/to/mntpoint I believe
[04:29] <KaoticEvil> oh, SWEET....
[04:29] <Psi-Jack> Well.
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> :O
[04:29] <KaoticEvil> the kubuntu CD is identical to the ubuntu CD, with the exception on haivng KDE instead of GNOME, right?
[04:29] <Psi-Jack> Dapper /almost/ cleanly upgraded. heh
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> KaoticEvil: yeh. bundled software might be differnt though
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> koffice/not oo.o or something
[04:30] <KaoticEvil> but as far as system stuff....
[04:30] <KaoticEvil> its the same, yes?
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> backend is the same yeh
[04:30] <KaoticEvil> because i need ndiswrapper to get my wireless card working, and a lil research from a link i got here reveals that ubuntu has the ndiswrapper module already there...
[04:31] <KaoticEvil> i just need to install the utilities to make it work
[04:31] <KaoticEvil> so it should also be on kubuntu as well, correct?
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes.
[04:31] <KaoticEvil> sweet!!!! :D
[04:32] <Snake__> ?
[04:32] <Snake__> Whats up?
[04:32] <KaoticEvil> i may be able to get back to kubuntu desktop :)
[04:32] <Snake__> Sweet
[04:32] <Snake__> Kamping_Kaiser: wassaaapp
[04:32] <KaoticEvil> instead of *shudders* 2K
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Snake__ :) just installed xgl
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> KaoticEvil: :/
[04:32] <Snake__> xgl?
[04:33] <KaoticEvil> Kamping_Kaiser?
[04:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> 2k :(
[04:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> mind you, better then some others... (but OT)
[04:33] <KaoticEvil> well, couldnt get net access on kubunt with my wireless...
[04:34] <KaoticEvil> i would be running a different non-linux OS, if i had that as a choice (when kubuntu wouldnt work)
[04:34] <Snake__> Heh
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> KaoticEvil: yeh, wireless is a mongral technology.
[04:34] <KaoticEvil> i know
[04:34] <Snake__> Wireless is hit and miss to holy hell
[04:34] <KaoticEvil> and my wireless card uses the marvell chipset
[04:35] <KaoticEvil> as long as ive got a few decent guides, and the utils i need, i can usually get anything to work :)
[04:39] <KaoticEvil> ok, well.. off to try this thing on kubuntu
[04:40] <KaoticEvil> with any luck, next time i pop in here, ill be running konversation or kirc :)
[04:40] <Snake__> lol
[04:40] <KaoticEvil> thanks for the link bimberi :):)
[05:02] <technomike> .
[05:02] <Snake__> wtf
[05:03] <MeshGearFox> Techno ruins people ;(
[05:04] <yello> hello everybody
[05:04] <yello> has anyone tried to download the kde-dev tools via adept?
[05:04] <MeshGearFox> Hi :)
[05:04] <MeshGearFox> Kdevelop?
[05:04] <yello> im not sure
[05:05] <yello> it just asked me to download these libs so i did and now my computer is dead
[05:05] <yello> everytime i start it up it displays an error message
[05:05] <MeshGearFox> What error.
[05:07] <yello> ill just send it to u on paste bin
[05:07] <yello> i have to type it up first
[05:09] <sniff> kino-timfx will not install, says it will break my system, but i only use the official repos :(
[05:10] <sniff> what gives
[05:11] <sniff> hello all (by the way) hello to hatake_kakashi   Psi-Jack  vge (in no particular order :))
[05:11] <yello> ok here u bgo
[05:11] <yello> http://pastebin.com/563875
[05:12] <MeshGearFox> Huh.
[05:12] <MeshGearFox> No clue :/ I don't think I have kde-dev. I was thinking about something else.
[05:12] <Snake__> yello were you who I was talkin with yezzerday?
[05:13] <yello> lol yea :D
[05:13] <yello> how r u
[05:13] <Snake__> Haha its not 11 PM!
[05:13] <Snake__> Now**
[05:13] <Snake__> :)
[05:13] <yello> lol no but i must leave for tennis soon :D
[05:13] <Snake__> Hmm were you the one that said you were gonna be on 6-7??
[05:13] <yello> yea
[05:13] <yello> thats me
[05:13] <Snake__> Okay, I couldn't remeber who it was
[05:14] <yello> lol thats ok
[05:14] <yello> is there ne way to log on using dos/konsole?
[05:14] <Snake__> yello what do you mean
[05:14] <Snake__> in a full CLI enviroment?
[05:14] <MeshGearFox> yello, what are you on now? Windows?
[05:16] <yello> yea
[05:16] <Snake__> Eww
[05:16] <yello> im on windows with linux on my other comp
[05:16] <yello> lol i know :(
[05:16] <Snake__> yello: what are we tryin to do?
[05:16] <yello> log into kubuntu8
[05:16] <yello> *kubuntu
[05:16] <yello> but it gives me that error
[05:16] <yello> http://pastebin.com/563875
[05:17] <Snake__> oh no..
[05:17] <yello> bad?
[05:17] <Snake__> yello: press alt+ctrl+f1and try to log in
[05:18] <Snake__> does that work?
[05:18] <yello> yep
[05:18] <yello> :d
[05:18] <yello> :D
[05:18] <yello> thanks
[05:18] <Snake__> yello: well thats not going to help you if you want X
[05:19] <yello> so i cant load up the GUI
[05:19] <Snake__> yello: I dont think so...
[05:19] <Snake__> one sec
[05:19] <yello> ok thanks
[05:19] <Snake__> yello: type in "startx"
[05:20] <Snake__> Tell me how that does
[05:20] <yello> ok
[05:20] <yello> its loading
[05:20] <yello> verrryy slowly
[05:20] <Snake__> ehh...
[05:21] <yello> ok
[05:21] <Snake__> is it working?
[05:21] <yello> its loaded :D
[05:21] <yello> ill back up my files and reformat cos everytime i try to do nething an error is caused
[05:21] <Snake__> lol
[05:21] <Snake__> if you want to
[05:21] <Snake__> yello: are you on dapper?
[05:22] <yello> wats dapper soz?
[05:22] <brydenn> muahaha
[05:22] <Snake__> yello: that answered my question :)
[05:22] <brydenn> figured out how to get ZSNES running on Ubuntu
[05:22] <brydenn> lol
[05:22] <Snake__> brydenn: isnt that in the repos?
[05:22] <brydenn> amazing what a little bit of reading on a forum will do
[05:22] <brydenn> lol no no Snake__
[05:23] <Snake__> Hmm
[05:23] <cyblivious> just checked my disk manager, my dvd drive was /dev/hdd. is this ok?
[05:23] <brydenn> ZSNES is a Super Nintendo emulator lol
[05:23] <MeshGearFox> cyb: Mine links up like that too.
[05:23] <yello> haha
[05:23] <Snake__> !info znes
[05:23] <brydenn> Snake__:  i was playing Zelda 3
[05:23] <MeshGearFox> It should be fine although it looks sort of odd :(
[05:23] <brydenn> rocks :)
[05:23] <cyblivious> so its ok then
[05:23] <brydenn> !info zsnes
[05:23] <yello> !info dapper
[05:23] <ubotu> zsnes: (Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM)), section multiverse/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.400-1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 504 kB, Installed size: 3212 kB
[05:24] <cyblivious> shouldn't it be something like /dev/cdrom?
[05:24] <yello> !info dapper
[05:24] <Snake__> yello:
[05:24] <Snake__> !dapper
[05:24] <ubotu> it has been said that dapper is the pre-release name for the next version of Ubuntu, the release will be called 6.04. It is due 20th April. It is software in development and as such may break.
[05:24] <yello> thanks
[05:24] <Snake__> I thought maybe you were runnin that will the issues ya got ;)
[05:24] <yello> no im just runnin 5.10
[05:24] <Snake__> Heh ok
[05:24] <Snake__> brydenn: I told you it was in the repo.
[05:24] <brydenn> lol yah yah
[05:24] <yello> could that be the problem?
[05:24] <brydenn> ok but its in the universe
[05:24] <brydenn> whatever ;)
[05:24] <Snake__> yello: ? no
[05:25] <yello> damn
[05:25] <Snake__> yello: 5.10 is the one you want
[05:25] <cyblivious> is there a way to reinstall ALSA?
[05:25] <Snake__> yello: dun worry, your gonna screw up your system a few more times :) Tis the curse of human nature
[05:25] <yello> lol so is there ne way to fix my problem or should i have to reformat/
[05:25] <yello> lol
[05:25] <Snake__> yello: there probly a fix, but  im not sure what it is, and if your errors are THAT bad, reformat
[05:25] <cyblivious> mine worked before but then stopped all of a sudden. but OSS still works
[05:26] <yello> ok ... sorry but how would i reformat?
[05:26] <Snake__> yello: reinstall the OS with the disk
[05:26] <yello> ok thanks
[05:26] <Snake__> have it format the whole hard drive
[05:27] <cyblivious> is there a way to convert my linux file system w/o losing the data like in partition magic?
[05:27] <Snake__> cyanid3: convert it?
[05:28] <cyblivious> help?
[05:28] <Snake__> oops
[05:29] <Snake__> cyblivious: what do you mean convert it
[05:29] <Snake__> like from ext3 to fat or what?
[05:29] <Snake__> or just resize
[05:29] <cyblivious> from maybe reiserfs to xfs or ext3
[05:29] <Snake__> ah...hmm I dunno about that....but you could try gparted on the ubuntu live disk
[05:30] <Snake__> read about it first, im not sure
[05:30] <Snake__> ROFL
[05:30] <Snake__> STALINS HERE
[05:30] <Stalin> hello
[05:30] <Snake__> LOL
[05:30] <neoncode> I've been trying to install kubuntu on a 1999 G3 iMac... the command i'm useing to lauch the installer is "server-powerpc video=ofonly" and it allways stalls at somepoint.usaly arround disk formating... help?
[05:30] <yello> hi sorry but its not booting my disk its just loading grub straight away
[05:30] <Stalin> what is the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[05:30] <Snake__> Stalin: the desktop manager
[05:30] <Stalin> like a GUI?
[05:30] <Snake__> Stalin: ubuntu uses gnome, kubuntu uses kde by default
[05:30] <cyblivious> yup
[05:30] <Snake__> Yes
[05:31] <Stalin> as I installed ubunto but just get the command line
[05:31] <cyblivious> startx?
[05:31] <Stalin> so I should reinstall Kubuntu then?
[05:31] <Snake__> yello: is your bios set to boot from disk?
[05:31] <Stalin> welll
[05:31] <cyblivious> try startx
[05:31] <neoncode> anyone?
[05:31] <yello> umm im not sure sorry
[05:31] <Snake__> yello: well did you install it fine before?
[05:31] <yello> yea
[05:31] <Stalin> "user not auth to run X server, aborting" is what i get when I type startx
[05:32] <yello> it all installed fine
[05:32] <Snake__> Stalin: sudo startx
[05:32] <cyblivious> sudo startx
[05:32] <Stalin> ah
[05:32] <Snake__> yello: Did your hard drive have anything on it when you installed it?
[05:32] <cyblivious> maybe you should type login first
[05:32] <cyblivious> to login then startx
[05:32] <yello> yes
[05:32] <yello> it had win xp
[05:32] <Snake__> yello: odd....then it should work :-/
[05:32] <Stalin> got a fatal error doing that
[05:32] <yello> hmm
[05:33] <cyblivious> error?
[05:33] <Snake__> yello: are you sure your disk works? lol, its not scratched or anything
[05:33] <Stalin> type login first?
[05:33] <yello> yea :D
[05:33] <yello> i only recently burnt it
[05:33] <Snake__> very odd..........
[05:33] <yello> i think its the correct disk
[05:33] <yello> i may have to reburn it ?
[05:33] <neoncode> anyone?
[05:33] <cyblivious> its kde right?
[05:33] <Snake__> yello: i would try that, if that doesnt work, then you hunt into the bios
[05:33] <Snake__> neoncode: whats up?
[05:34] <neoncode> Snake__: Scroll up
[05:34] <cyblivious> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[05:34] <Stalin> let me try that
[05:34] <cyblivious> for kde
[05:34] <Snake__> Ahh
[05:34] <Snake__> neoncode: no clue
[05:34] <cyblivious> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[05:34] <cyblivious> for gnome
[05:34] <Snake__> where did clayg go damn it
[05:35] <Stalin> kse didnt work, got command not found
[05:35] <Stalin> *kde
[05:35] <brett> hey room does anyone know how to get the win32 codecs installed for kaffine
[05:35] <cyblivious> its kdm start
[05:35] <yello> found it
[05:35] <cyblivious> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[05:35] <Snake__> !win32
[05:35] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Snake__
[05:35] <Red_Herring> !win32codecs
[05:35] <ubotu> win32codecs is, like, totally, binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[05:35] <yello> thanks
[05:35] <Snake__> there ya go
[05:36] <Snake__> yello: whats up??
[05:36] <Stalin> weeeeeeeeee :D
[05:36] <cyblivious> worked?
[05:36] <Stalin> got something going here
[05:36] <Stalin> yes ^^
[05:36] <cyblivious> that starts KDE manager
[05:36] <Stalin> how to start that automatically?
[05:37] <cyblivious> startx starts the GUI
[05:37] <Stalin> this is for my gfs laptop, she cant poke in linux...hehe
[05:37] <yello> its reinstalling :D
[05:37] <Snake__> w00t
[05:37] <cyblivious> select KDE in the login screen
[05:37] <Snake__> yello: make sure you tell it to erase your hard drive!
[05:37] <cyblivious> as default instead of console
[05:38] <Stalin> hmm...I dont really know how to do that (sorry)
[05:38] <yello> lol i will
[05:38] <yello> no more windows on my laptop
[05:39] <cyblivious> on the login screen where you type your username
[05:39] <Stalin> yes?
[05:39] <cyblivious> should be 3 buttons
[05:39] <Stalin> okey, I need to reboot to get back there then?
[05:40] <cyblivious> the first one i think selects whether to login to KDE or GNOME or CONSOLE. select KDE
[05:40] <cyblivious> just logoff
[05:41] <Snake__> Wow im dumb
[05:41] <Snake__> lol
[05:42] <brett> how do i give myself permission to write to a certain folder?
[05:43] <cyblivious> chown user folder
[05:43] <Snake__> man chown....that sounds funny :)
[05:43] <brett> when i try to install codecs to my /usr folder it says i don't have the right permissions
[05:43] <cyblivious> use sudo
[05:43] <brett> chown?
[05:44] <Snake__> use sudo m8
[05:44] <brett> ok
[05:44] <cyblivious> short for change owner
[05:44] <cyblivious> sounds like clown.
[05:44] <cyblivious> hehehe
[05:46] <cyblivious> got to clean my aquarium first
[05:47] <brett> ok how do i do shown
[05:47] <Ashex> hmmm
[05:47] <brett> i type  sudo then chown then what?
[05:48] <brett> sorry very new to linux
[05:48] <Ashex> any ideas on what exactly to add into GRUB if I want it to include my feather linux install?
[05:49] <Ashex> I've got kubuntu installed on my external, and feather on another partition on that external
[05:50] <blackflag> Its abit OT
[05:50] <blackflag> but have someone getting Everquest running on linux?
[05:51] <trappist> I did once
[05:51] <blackflag> cool :)
[05:51] <blackflag> how?
[05:51] <cyblivious> what are you trying to do exactly?
[05:51] <trappist> I'm pretty sure I just used cedega, only I think it was called winex back then
[05:52] <LiteHedded> easy sources?
[05:52] <blackflag> I tied it on debian sarge with wine
[05:52] <cyblivious> brett: what are you trying to do exactly?
[05:52] <LiteHedded> what's the link for easy sources
[05:52] <B1zz> trappist.  I see you in cedega channel as well :)
[05:52] <trappist> yeah I don't think it'll work with ye olde wine
[05:52] <cyblivious> is cedega free or commercial?
[05:53] <trappist> commercial
[05:53] <cyblivious> :(
[05:54] <B1zz> trappist by any chance do you know where cedega installs the games? I need to add some mods to one of my games, and i cant seem to find the location of it
[05:54] <blackflag> winex? what is it?
[05:55] <trappist> B1zz: ~/.cedega/Dot\ TransGaming/c_drive
[05:55] <B1zz> ahh ty
[06:02] <MetaMorfoziS> winex --help
[06:02] <blackflag> winex looks good
[06:02] <blackflag> is there an opensource solution like winex?
[06:02] <MetaMorfoziS> wine is opensource?
[06:03] <MetaMorfoziS> it's new, for me
[06:03] <blackflag> but winex not
[06:03] <blackflag> transgaming.com
[06:04] <blackflag> okay , I give it a try
[06:05] <blackflag> so long....
[06:05] <Stalin> cyblivious: It all works fine now, boots right into the GUI. Thanks a lot for helping me out :D
[06:08] <Hobbsee> Psi-Jack: you around?
[06:08] <Psi-Jack> Sorta.
[06:08] <Psi-Jack> Getting pissed off at an a** in #debian.
[06:09] <sniff> where do i go if i want to become a maintainer?
[06:10] <bimberi_> sniff: start here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[06:13] <sniff> cheers
[06:42] <Ashex> Anyone happen to know what Error 17 means in the Grub loader?
[06:49] <Snake__> Guys check this out
[06:49] <Snake__> http://www.secguru.com/files/linux_file_structure.jpg
[06:49] <Snake__> Pretty neat
[06:52] <ALEX_PAU1> hi
[07:05] <brydenn> lol
[07:05] <brydenn> Snake__:  you bored haha
[07:06] <Snake__> brydenn: huh? lol
[07:06] <brydenn> [21:54]  <Snake__> http://www.secguru.com/files/linux_file_structure.jpg
[07:06] <brydenn> [21:54]  <Snake__> Pretty neat
[07:06] <Snake__> AH
[07:06] <Snake__> AH*
[07:06] <brydenn> just admiring your boredum haha
[07:06] <Snake__> wtf?
[07:06] <brydenn> ;)
[07:07] <brydenn> was a cool pic
[07:07] <Snake__> brydenn: That was part of my rss ;)
[07:07] <Ashex> pretty schnazzy
[07:07] <Snake__> Trust digg to bring you worthless crap
[07:07] <brydenn> lol ok
[07:07] <ClayG> Ashex, did you get that F/O straightened out?
[07:07] <Ashex> not yet
[07:07] <brydenn> Snake__: what newsgroups you apart of?
[07:07] <Ashex> Still working on it
[07:08] <Snake__> brydenn: I ment mainling list ;)
[07:08] <Snake__> mailing
[07:08] <ClayG> Snake__, dont tell all of them
[07:08] <Snake__> ugh I give up
[07:08] <ClayG> please
[07:08] <brydenn> whatever... which ones?
[07:08] <ClayG> boneless is all you have to tell them
[07:08] <Snake__> brydenn: just the ones for ubuntu-doc team
[07:08] <brydenn> auh
[07:08] <Ashex> I'm using rescue mode off the ubuntu dvd to repair grub
[07:08] <Snake__> ClayG: any luck with my account?
[07:09] <ClayG> Ashex, it sounds like you have an extra port or two open, you need to correct the F/O problem
[07:09] <Ashex> I'm correcting the F/O problem with alternative methods :p
[07:10] <ClayG> oh man, ok well make sure to look for trojans whenever possible if you aren't going to change the f/o error
[07:10] <Snake__> brydenn: wanna read more cool stuff? hehe
[07:11] <Ashex> I'm secure
[07:12] <ClayG> snake, I've got real bad news.  Someone just pwned me and got root on the hostdestroyer.com server.
[07:12] <brydenn> yes Snake__
[07:12] <brydenn> give me a link or something :)
[07:12] <ClayG> I think it was somoee that i joked with earlier
[07:12] <brydenn> i'm bored too
[07:12] <brydenn> my gf is watching Gray's Anatomy
[07:12] <brydenn> lol
[07:12] <Snake__> brydenn: http://www.windowsitpro.com/windowspaulthurrott/Article/ArticleID/49450/windowspaulthurrott_49450.html
[07:12] <Snake__> read about ms's latest screw up
[07:12] <brydenn> haha ok :)
[07:12] <brydenn> brb
[07:13] <brydenn> uhm
[07:13] <brydenn> Windows Vista Ultimate. The best operating system ever offered for a personal PC, optimized for the individual.
[07:14] <brydenn> lmfao
[07:14] <brydenn> yah ok
[07:14] <Snake__> hehe
[07:14] <brydenn> ok still reading haha but laughing my ass off ;)
[07:14] <Ashex> well that was easy
[07:14] <Snake__> brydenn: read the second comment when you get done ;)
[07:14] <Snake__> its hellarious
[07:14] <Ashex> all it takes is editing /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:14] <Ashex> F/O error my ass
[07:16] <brydenn> "Um...what? I thought I just needed Windows."
[07:16] <brydenn> hahaha
[07:16] <Snake__> This is gonna be fun eh?
[07:16] <brydenn> haha yah
[07:17] <Snake__> Hey guys, anyone here know thunderbird well?
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> Snake__: sorta
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> what you reading brydenn
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[07:18] <Snake__> Kamping_Kaiser: http://www.windowsitpro.com/windowspaulthurrott/Article/ArticleID/49450/windowspaulthurrott_49450.html
[07:18] <Red_Herring> am i fonting?
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> Snake__: ta
[07:19] <Snake__> ta? wtf? Lol
[07:19] <brydenn> Why do have to go all the way up to "Ultimate" to get a version "optimized for the individual"? Shouldn't the "Home" versions be "optimized for the individual"?
[07:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks :P
[07:19] <brydenn> lmfao
[07:19] <brydenn> hahahaha
[07:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[07:20] <brydenn> if these poor bastards only knew about (k)ubuntu
[07:20] <brydenn> ;)
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[07:21] <Snake__> :)
[07:21] <brydenn> Snake__: i agree with what peterkirn said
[07:21] <brydenn> how it's gonna confuse users
[07:21] <Snake__> Yea it iwll
[07:21] <brydenn> thats what i was thinking when i was reading all the different names for the various OSes
[07:21] <Snake__> damn it..... ClayG what are you doin!!
[07:21] <brydenn> haha
[07:21] <brydenn> but then again... it just makes it easier for me (the pirate) to simply download ULTIMATE hahaha
[07:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> people get confused between the 2 Ubuntu's, let alone 5+ vistas
[07:22] <brydenn> lol there is no difference between the ubuntu's
[07:22] <brydenn> just the GUI
[07:22] <Snake__> brydenn: theres going to be more windows versions than linux distros by the time blackcomb comb comes around
[07:22] <Snake__> :)
[07:22] <Snake__> oops
[07:22] <brydenn> haha @ Snake__
[07:22] <Snake__> -the second comb
[07:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> brydenn: yeh
[07:22] <brydenn> i'm still curious to see what Vista is all about
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[07:23] <Snake__> Same here
[07:23] <brydenn> i'm sure I'll have it as a secondary boot
[07:23] <Snake__> Im gonna test it out on my big rig and what not...but meh
[07:23] <brydenn> but its still not gonna beat ubuntus stability
[07:23] <Snake__> I still love ya
[07:23] <Snake__> :D
[07:23] <brydenn> dammit
[07:23] <brydenn> i want a lappy
[07:23] <brydenn> i was just on ebay looking at them
[07:23] <brydenn> haha
[07:23] <Snake__> brydenn: My T20 is my bestest friend ever
[07:24] <brydenn> there's a couple nice 2nd hand ebay stores i found that sell laptops
[07:24] <Snake__> I love it....laptops arnt like desktops...you fall in love with laptops
[07:24] <brydenn> no i know
[07:24] <brydenn> i've used a laptop before
[07:24] <brydenn> for EVIL stuff
[07:24] <Snake__> Heh
[07:24] <brydenn> trust me... way more evil than you think
[07:24] <Snake__> Ooooo did you....>.>.....ping google with giant packets!?
[07:24] <brydenn> lol no
[07:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[07:25] <brydenn> i used it to wardrive and use credit cards :)
[07:25] <brydenn> lmfao
[07:25] <brydenn> but dont tell anyone
[07:25] <Snake__> ZIHOHG
[07:25] <Snake__> ZOMG!
[07:25] <Snake__> You just told 135 people.
[07:25] <brydenn> lol duh
[07:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[07:25] <brydenn> but that was a long time ago ;)
[07:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> 143 people
[07:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> +1 logging bot ;)
[07:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> 134
[07:25] <Snake__> Kamping_Kaiser: haha
[07:25] <Snake__> nice
[07:25] <Snake__> ubotu: did you get that?
[07:25] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Snake__
[07:25] <Snake__> :)
[07:26] <brydenn> yah but i cant wait to start cracking WEP
[07:26] <Snake__> brydenn: WAP you mean?
[07:26] <brydenn> when i get my ubuntu lappy
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[07:26] <Snake__> WEP has been cracked left and right by even amatures
[07:26] <brydenn> yah well i'm gonna crack it all lol
[07:26] <Snake__> sure
[07:26] <Snake__> l337 h4x0r here!
[07:27] <brydenn> lol riiiiiiiiiiight
[07:27] <sniff> what prog u use to crack wep?
[07:27] <brydenn> the most l33t hacker i ever met was nuts dude
[07:27] <Snake__> I Think Its Time For Me To Sleep
[07:27] <brydenn> seriously... i saw this guy hack into my states DMV
[07:27] <brydenn> amoung other things
[07:27] <brydenn> he actually had a job offer to hack for the Indian government
[07:27] <brydenn> total nerd though
[07:27] <brydenn> couldnt get laid by a hooker
[07:27] <brydenn> haha
[07:28] <sniff> ha!
[07:28] <Snake__> I dont find hacking that impressive...I find writing the software hackers use more so
[07:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol folks, move into -offtopic ;)
[07:28] <brydenn> Snake__:  he was a coder bro
[07:28] <brydenn> thats how he hacked
[07:28] <brydenn> he wrote the code
[07:28] <brydenn> its cool though
[07:29] <brydenn> he ended up getting busted by the FBI
[07:29] <brydenn> thats the last i heard from him
[07:29] <brydenn> heard a rumor that he works for them or helps them somehow now though
[07:29] <Snake__> i see
[07:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> brydenn: that's the last anyone hear form him
[07:29] <brydenn> hahah
[07:29] <brydenn> so Snake__
[07:29] <brydenn> what wifi card do you have?
[07:30] <Snake__> linksys...uhh
[07:30] <Snake__> crap
[07:30] <Snake__> wpc54g I think
[07:30] <brydenn> cool
[07:30] <Snake__> or is that my router...
[07:30] <brydenn> heh
[07:30] <MeshGearFox> Hey, anyone use Cedega?
[07:30] <brydenn> yah i need to find an ubuntu friendly card that also works well with Kismit
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> not recetnly
[07:31] <sniff> oh yeah l337 h4x0r eh snake!
[07:31] <Snake__> brydenn: my card works great with it
[07:31] <sniff> can't find your ass with both hands ;)
[07:31] <brydenn> hahah
[07:32] <Snake__> sniff: if it wasnt 2 am, I would be more on my game ;)
[07:32] <sniff> hhe
[07:32] <sniff> hack me
[07:32] <sniff> i got root logon via ssh enabled
[07:32] <sniff> but i dunno what the password is
[07:32] <sniff> but the port is 22
[07:34] <sniff> my friend in russia uses ssh into my machine to help me, cos i'm like a deceased chimp when it comes to linux
[07:34] <sniff> hehe snake
[07:34] <sniff> i already told you where to look!
[07:34] <Snake__> meh
[07:34] <sniff> do u know my ip@?
[07:34] <Snake__> yea
[07:35] <sniff> cool
[07:35] <sniff> how do ya do that?
[07:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> sniff: you using Kubuntu?
[07:35] <Snake__> This version of nmap freakin sucks
[07:35] <sniff> yeah kubuntu
[07:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol Snake__
[07:35] <sniff> am i in trouble?
[07:36] <Snake__> remo nmap sucks
[07:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> *rolls eyes at people who enable root login, more so on ubuntu machines*
[07:36] <sniff> hehe what about kubuntu?
[07:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> same deal
[07:36] <sniff> who know what the name of that applet is in gnome that lets you ping, traceroute etc?
[07:37] <sniff> i like that gui thingy but there isn't one in kubuntu
[07:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> applet? network tools?
[07:38] <sniff> maybe
[07:38] <sniff> i want to get it in kubuntu
[07:38] <sniff> but i dunno the package name
[07:39] <Snake__> !info kubuntu-desltp[
[07:39] <Snake__> !info kubuntu-desktop
[07:39] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: (Kubuntu desktop system), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.55 (breezy), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
[07:40] <sniff> snake have you hacked me yet? or will i know only after you've run something like mkfs
[07:41] <Snake__> sniff: im getting the new nmap
[07:41] <Snake__> mine sucks
[07:41] <sniff> vge:
[07:41] <sniff> oh er can someone suggest the name to me of that gnome based applet
[07:41] <sniff> please?
[07:41] <achew22> would someone be willing to help me with my sound card? or be willing to point me to a channel where someone will?
[07:42] <Snake__> sniff: nmap is cli program
[07:42] <sniff> i know that is
[07:42] <sniff> i just wanted them basic gnome tools
[07:43] <Snake__> ah i see
[07:46] <achew22> any ideas?
[07:47] <sniff> 218.25.204.36 who is this?
[07:47] <achew22> um...
[07:47] <achew22> you'll never know -- network staff only
[07:48] <sniff> why is kino for gnome when it is spelled with a "K"?
[07:49] <Snake__> ....
[07:49] <Snake__> gkino sounds stupid
[07:49] <Snake__> hows that
[07:49] <sniff> what about
[07:49] <sniff> gino
[07:49] <Snake__> Maybe
[07:50] <Snake__> god damn nmap make takes FOREVER
[07:50] <sniff> anyway if it's kino it should definately be kde
[07:50] <Snake__> LOL
[07:50] <Snake__> READ THIS ERROR
[07:50] <Snake__> error: #error "Your system does not appear to have GTK (www.gtk.org) installed.  Thus the Nmap X Front End will not compile.  You should still be able to use Nmap the normal way (via text console).  GUIs are for wimps anyway :)"
[07:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> kino isnt for Gnome?
[07:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> *?=!
[07:51] <sniff> yes it is, but it should be kde specific in my opinion
[07:51] <sniff> if for gnome should be called gino
[07:52] <sniff> snake, how you know my ip address?
[07:52] <sniff> or are you scanning every comp on the internet??
[07:53] <Snake__> 218.25.204.36
[07:53] <Snake__> Does that look right
[07:53] <sniff> dunno
[07:53] <Snake__> sniff: http://whatismyip.com
[07:53] <Snake__> see if it is
[07:53] <sniff> mmm
[07:53] <sniff> yeah
[07:53] <sniff> ifconfig
[07:53] <sniff> how do u get that though?
[07:53] <Snake__> hehe
[07:53] <Snake__>  /whois sniff
[07:53] <Snake__> :)
[07:53] <sniff> c'mon tell a noob
[07:54] <sniff> ha!
[07:54] <sniff> so easy
[07:54] <Snake__> Indeed
[07:54] <Snake__> STUPID NMAP
[07:54] <Snake__> GRRRRRR
[07:54] <Snake__> 10 mins remain
[07:54] <Snake__> Stats: 0:01:08 elapsed; 1 hosts completed (1 up), 1 undergoing Connect() Scan
[07:54] <Snake__> Connect() Scan Timing: About 9.75% done; ETC: 02:04 (0:10:14 remaining)
[08:04] <sniff> wow free music from snake
[08:04] <Snake__> sniff: yessir
[08:04] <sniff> mmm
[08:05] <sniff> let me see...
[08:05] <sniff> i could do with some ftp too
[08:05] <sniff> isn't feurfrei the name of a rammstein song?
[08:06] <_evil_h_> yes it is
[08:06] <Snake__> Yea
[08:06] <sniff> i thought it rang a bell
[08:06] <sniff> let me play it again
[08:06] <sniff> don't think i liked it before though
[08:06] <_evil_h_> the video for it is weird
[08:07] <sniff> my favourite was that bonus track called    stripped or something
[08:07] <Snake__> stripped was awesome
[08:07] <Tuxiscool> Could anyone tell me how large a base install of Kubuntu is?
[08:07] <sniff> well i just like the english with a german accent
[08:07] <sniff> <1.5gb?
[08:08] <_evil_h_> i think the server install takes only 250mb
[08:08] <sniff> that's not really kubuntu then is it  though?
[08:08] <_evil_h_> no suppose not huh
[08:08] <Tuxiscool> Heh.
[08:08] <Tuxiscool> Thanks.
[08:09] <_evil_h_> i'm on a role with stupidity lately
[08:09] <Tuxiscool> A friend is just wondering how it compares to a base install of Windows XP.
[08:09] <sniff> it's larger
[08:09] <sniff> cos it can do much more
[08:09] <sniff> it has an office suite etc
[08:09] <sniff> windows ain't got dick
[08:09] <Snake__> Tuxiscool: windows comes with nothing. Kubuntu comes with a program starter set
[08:10] <sniff> apart from a lot of open ports and security vulnerablities
[08:10] <Snake__> I think it may be time for sleep
[08:10] <sniff> Tuxiscool: i give my win partition 6-7gb of space   and kubuntu 5gb
[08:11] <sniff> Tuxiscool: it's smaller in the long run
[08:11] <Tuxiscool> Right.
[08:11] <sniff> once you install all your shit on windows it soon grows by gigabytes
[08:11] <Tuxiscool> Thanks.
[08:11] <sniff> welcome
[08:11] <Tuxiscool> I don't use Windows, so I wouldn't know ;)
[08:11] <sniff> i converted only recently myseld
[08:11] <sniff> myself
[08:11] <sniff> from windows i mean
[08:12] <_evil_h_> ditto
[08:12] <sniff> i can like anything on windows, but when it comes to this cli business i'm a bit like an awe-struck kid
[08:12] <sniff> i can DO like anything on windows i meant
[08:13] <sniff> can't find my ass with both hands in the word of linux
[08:13] <Snake__> sniff: thats why I changed
[08:13] <Snake__> I need a challange
[08:13] <Snake__> I want to learn something new
[08:14] <sniff> mmm me too, i always like to learn
[08:14] <sniff> i got pissed off with reinstall windows once a month
[08:14] <Snake__> haha
[08:14] <sniff> just cos it can't handle a few installs/reinstalls
[08:15] <sniff> i even have  an image of my hard drive with the windows already installed, just to make the recovery quicker
[08:15] <Snake__> ah screw this im goin to bed
[08:15] <Snake__> night
[08:15] <sniff> but still gets me, how after a month of tinkering it slows to a grinding halt
[08:15] <sniff> snake
[08:15] <sniff> you got so many open ports
[08:16] <Snake|Sleepin> sniff: no crap. I run a FTP, Radio, and several other things
[08:16] <sniff> mmm
[08:16] <sniff> can i hack?
[08:16] <sniff> but i dunno how
[08:17] <[Vampis] > morning
[08:17] <sniff> afternoon
[08:18] <_evil_h_> morning
[08:18] <_evil_h_> : D
[08:19] <sniff> depends where u are don't it
[08:19] <_evil_h_> deutschland
[08:19] <sniff> what time is it there?
[08:19] <sniff> 11:19>?
[08:19] <_evil_h_> 0819
[08:19] <sniff> oh ah
[08:19] <sniff> i got 15:19 here
[08:20] <[Vampis] > _evil_h_: 820 now ;)
[08:20] <[Vampis] > <-- sweden
[08:20] <_evil_h_> he he
[08:21] <_evil_h_> such a small world
[08:21] <Hentai^XP> nn Snake|Sleepin
[08:21] <Hentai^XP> Hello all
[08:21] <[Vampis] > yep :)
[08:21] <_evil_h_> hello Hentai^XP
[08:21] <[Vampis] > _evil_h_: Where in deutschland ?
[08:21] <_evil_h_> bavaria, kitzingen
[08:21] <Hentai^XP> sup
[08:22] <[Vampis] > never been
[08:22] <_evil_h_> not missing much
[08:22] <[Vampis] > :)
[08:22] <_evil_h_> :)
[08:22] <sniff> lol
[08:23] <_evil_h_> 5 more months and i'll be home again whoo hoo
[08:23] <sniff> where;s home?
[08:23] <_evil_h_> Washington state
[08:23] <[Vampis] > aha
[08:23] <[Vampis] > :)
[08:23] <sniff> ooh
[08:23] <sniff> 5 or more months and i'll be home too actually woohoo!
[08:24] <_evil_h_> where is home at for you
[08:24] <[Vampis] > I usually visit the northern parts of germany... just to buy alcohol :P
[08:24] <sniff> blighty england mate
[08:24] <_evil_h_> heh heh
[08:24] <sniff> fancy a cuppa tea etc
[08:24] <[Vampis] > lol
[08:24] <[Vampis] > strange language, the british english ;)
[08:24] <[Vampis] > sloppy dick etc etc
[08:24] <[Vampis] > :)
[08:24] <sniff> right now i'm stuck in N China
[08:25] <sniff> SPOTTED dick actually
[08:25] <sniff> hehe
[08:25] <_evil_h_> i thought you were somewhere in that part of the world.
[08:25] <sniff> only sloppy after doing a hooker
[08:25] <sniff> and probably itchy too
[08:25] <_evil_h_> lol
[08:25] <brydenn> hey sniff haha why is port 22 open on your cpu ;)
[08:25] <Kamping_Kaise1> langwicht sniff ;)
[08:26] <Kamping_Kaise1> lol brydenn
[08:26] <sniff> ssh innit
[08:26] <brydenn> haha
[08:26] <sniff> let me go to babel fish..  1sec
[08:26] <brydenn> hmm where is that ssh client i was lookin for lol
[08:27] <sniff> langwicht=long yielded?
[08:27] <sniff> did u scan me brydenn ?
[08:27] <brydenn> yes sniff
[08:27] <brydenn> i did
[08:27] <sniff> fine
[08:27] <sniff> let me return the favour
[08:28] <brydenn> :) please do
[08:28] <brydenn> i already did myself though hehe
[08:28] <sniff> ha
[08:28] <[Vampis|Away] > Daemn
[08:28] <[Vampis|Away] > is there a kill kommand on freenode so I can kill my ghost ?
[08:28] <sniff> let me disable my sssssh
[08:29] <[Vampis] > there
[08:30] <sniff> brydenn: are you behind nat?
[08:30] <brydenn> i dunno lol
[08:30] <brydenn> thats for me to know ;)
[08:31] <sniff> a linux os?
[08:31] <sniff> but iis server
[08:32] <brydenn> damn sniff
[08:32] <brydenn> lets me connect right to ya lol
[08:32] <brydenn> just need to guess the right pw hahaha
[08:32] <sniff> what about the right username?
[08:32] <sniff> brydenn@c-24-21-107-37.hsd1.or.comcast.net
[08:32] <brydenn> the right username = root ;)
[08:33] <sniff> why have i got ports: 631, 32770 and 32771 open?
[08:33] <sniff> that's not fair
[08:33] <sniff> ssh_d says root login no
[08:33] <sniff> at least that's how i configured it yesterday
[08:33] <brydenn> do you even remember what your root password is?
[08:33] <sniff> i dunno what the root pass is, i left it as the system given one
[08:34] <sniff> i dont need to know it
[08:34] <sniff> can do everything using sudo
[08:34] <brydenn> uhm ooooook
[08:34] <brydenn> how did the system give you one?
[08:34] <sniff> but what program opened the ports: brydenn@c-24-21-107-37.hsd1.or.comcast.net
[08:34] <brydenn> when i installed 5.10 it asked me to give one
[08:34] <sniff> shit
[08:34] <brydenn> lol
[08:34] <sniff> 631, 32770 and 32771
[08:35] <sniff> no that was a password for your admin account
[08:35] <sniff> not root
[08:35] <sniff> you must sudo to change the root passowrd
[08:35] <sniff> no?
[08:35] <brydenn> i dunno i'm a n00b still ;)
[08:36] <sniff> not so n00b that you can't scan the f*ck outta my machine
[08:36] <brydenn> lol
[08:36] <brydenn> i'm a noob when it comes to using linux
[08:36] <brydenn> however i'm not an idiot
[08:36] <brydenn> i pick up stuff quick
[08:36] <brydenn> lol
[08:36] <brydenn> besides... its not hard to figure out how to do a quick scan with nmap
[08:36] <brydenn> anyway.... i'm going to bed bro
[08:36] <sniff> wait until i boot up in to auditor security then i'll hack the F*CK outta you!
[08:36] <brydenn> i'd disable port 22 from being open if i were you
[08:37] <sniff> mm but i like the security risk
[08:37] <brydenn> lol you wont hack shitz0rs
[08:37] <sniff> it makes me feel more insecure
[08:37] <brydenn> haha ok
[08:37] <brydenn> night sniff
[08:37] <sniff> it's more exciting like this.... will my comp get owned
[08:37] <_evil_h_> ahh! l337 sp34|<
[08:37] <sniff> g';night
[08:37] <sniff> urgh
[08:38] <_evil_h_> how do i unzip a folder full of .zip files without going through and unzipping each and every single one
[08:38] <sniff> _evil_h_: yuo shuld lern to spel betta
[08:38] <sniff> if they have a common name then you can use a wildcard
[08:38] <_evil_h_> no they all have different file names
[08:38] <sniff> then batch rename
[08:39] <sniff> shit
[08:39] <sniff> put them all in the same directry
[08:39] <sniff> then unzip *
[08:39] <_evil_h_> they are all in one folder
[08:39] <sniff> or whatever the command is
[08:40] <nitishp> _evil_h_: Try -> for i in `find <dirname>`; do unzip $i; done
[08:40] <_evil_h_> yeah i just found that
[08:41] <sniff> what are ports 631, 32770 and 32771
[08:41] <sniff> :( ?
[08:41] <nitishp> sniff: ipp             631/tcp    #IPP (Internet Printing Protocol)
[08:41] <_evil_h_> i did this: unzip -n "/home/evilh/Desktop/fonts; done
[08:41] <_evil_h_> and now its just sitting at this: >
[08:42] <sniff> but why is it open?
[08:42] <nitishp> sniff: You have a printer with CUPS?
[08:42] <sniff> no
[08:42] <sniff> maybe pdf printer
[08:42] <sniff> i installed no printer myself though
[08:43] <sniff> i thought ubuntu didn't have open ports?
[08:43] <nitishp> hahaha
[08:43] <sniff> unless you install server software ofcourse
[08:43] <sniff> like i got port 22 open for ssh, so that is fine, but why all the others?
[08:48] <sniff> can sum1 port scan me please?
[08:48] <_evil_h_> how?
[08:49] <sniff> you have nmap?
[08:49] <_evil_h_> probably not
[08:49] <sniff> install it in adept, jsut the plain nmap
[08:49] <Random1> where do i change the appearance of my taskbar?
[08:49] <sniff> then open a terminal
[08:49] <_evil_h_> kk one sec
[08:50] <sniff> right click on it
[08:50] <sniff> select configure
[08:50] <Random1> ummm
[08:51] <Random1> but how do i change the appearance of it?
[08:51] <_evil_h_> ok i got nmap now
[08:51] <sniff> ok in terminal type:
[08:51] <sniff> nmap -sT -sR -O -F -PI -PT -vv 218.25.204.36
[08:52] <sniff> i'd like an anal-probe too :D
[08:52] <sniff> that last one is double "v" not a "w"
[08:52] <nitishp> I think it has to be said... {K}Ubuntu breeds idiots.
[08:53] <sniff> _evil_h_: is it working?
[08:53] <_evil_h_> one sec
[08:54] <_evil_h_> says that -P has an illegal argument and lists a bunch of parameters
[08:54] <sniff> erm
[08:55] <sniff> should be no P
[08:55] <_evil_h_> wait i see what i did. one sec
[08:55] <sniff> let me try
[08:55] <sniff> ah
[08:55] <sniff>  you must run it as "sudo
[08:55] <sniff> sudo
[08:56] <chx> KubuntuDapperFlight4 ?
[08:56] <sniff> and then the parameters
[08:56] <_evil_h_> its working now
[08:56] <sniff> also you can coppy and paste from IRC in to your terminal
[08:56] <sniff> good
[08:58] <_evil_h_> it finished
[08:58] <sniff> what's the result?
[08:59] <_evil_h_> 22 is open
[08:59] <sniff> and?
[08:59] <sniff> is that it?
[08:59] <_evil_h_> 135, 136, 137,138, 139, 445, 593, 1023, 1025, 1434, 2048, 6667 are filtered
[09:00] <tijn_> nice stuff in yout home dir :D
[09:00] <tijn_> your*
[09:00] <sniff> i don't know what that means.... does can some tell me please?
[09:00] <_evil_h_> whos home dir?
[09:00] <tijn_> yours
[09:00] <_evil_h_> hey get out my home directory
[09:00] <_evil_h_> damn i need to learn how to secure these things
[09:01] <_evil_h_> for what computer?
[09:01] <_evil_h_> sniff: it also says what service is using those filtered ports
[09:01] <sniff> what is it?
[09:01] <_evil_h_> 135 is being used by msrpc
[09:02] <sniff> wtf is that
[09:02] <_evil_h_> 136 is being used by profile
[09:02] <sniff> wtf is that
[09:02] <_evil_h_> 137- 139 is being used for netbios services
[09:02] <sniff> wtf is that
[09:02] <_evil_h_> 445 is being used by mircosoft-ds
[09:02] <sniff> wtf is that!?
[09:02] <tijn_> oe nice
[09:03] <_evil_h_> 593 is being used by http-rpc-epmap
[09:03] <sniff> wtf is that crap!?
[09:03] <_evil_h_> sniff: i know netbios is a network protocol
[09:03] <_evil_h_> port 6667 is being used by IRC
[09:03] <sniff> that's for lan though
[09:04] <sniff> irc has opened a port?
[09:04] <sniff> wtf for?
[09:04] <tijn_> for communication?
[09:04] <_evil_h_> ask tijn after he is through perusing my files
[09:04] <sniff> why does it need to act as a server?
[09:04] <tijn_> ;) i was just kidding m8
[09:04] <nitishp> Jesus H. Christ. sniff RTF/etc/services
[09:04] <_evil_h_> tijn: whats the IP for the computer you are browsing on my network
[09:04] <tijn_> _evil_h_ i was just fucking with you :)
[09:04] <_evil_h_> oh
[09:05] <tijn_> hehe
[09:05] <_evil_h_> was gonna say
[09:05] <_evil_h_> i aint got the best securty but jeesh
[09:05] <tijn_> sniff, its obvious irc has to communicate
[09:05] <sniff> yeah but it needs a port to do it?
[09:06] <sniff> can't it do it passively?
[09:06] <tijn_> of course
[09:06] <tijn_> it needs a port
[09:06] <tijn_> you connect on irc.freenode.net on port 6667 or something
[09:06] <sniff> ok
[09:06] <tijn_> so it uses a port
[09:07] <sniff> nitishp: what is rtf/etc/services?
[09:07] <sniff> tijn_: ok
[09:07] <sniff> tijn_: so what about the other 10 ports that are filtered or something?
[09:07] <_evil_h_> whats the link to pastebin
[09:08] <_evil_h_> !pastebin
[09:08] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar :)
[09:08] <sniff> www.kubuntu.pastebin.com
[09:09] <_evil_h_> sniff:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8942
[09:09] <_evil_h_> thats the results of the scan
[09:10] <sniff> ok cheers
[09:13] <_evil_h_> heh my windows machine has less open ports than your computer has sniff lol
[09:14] <[Vampis] > lool
[09:15] <sniff> get lost!
[09:15] <sniff> that's the worst thing i've heard this year _evil_h_ !
[09:15] <sniff> i'm going back to windows
[09:15] <sniff> sp zero
[09:15] <_evil_h_> sniff: lol sorry
[09:16] <sniff> SP0, no firewall, no antvirus
[09:16] <B1zz> 0_o
[09:16] <sniff> admin privs throughout
[09:16] <sniff> running all extra servers in xp pro
[09:16] <sniff> and fat(gay)32
[09:16] <Hentai^XP> SP2, NTFS
[09:18] <sniff> hey _evil_h_ !!
[09:18] <_evil_h_> sniff: what?
[09:18] <sniff> i just found this, really good new!: http://forums.speedguide.net/showthread.php?t=126735
[09:18] <sniff> filtered-stealthed
[09:18] <sniff> filtered=stealthed
[09:19] <sniff> which is max security! so no more wingays for me1
[09:19] <sniff> ey any1 know why  kaffeine exits when i ask it to play one of my porn movies?
[09:19] <_evil_h_> sniff: it doesnt like porn?
[09:20] <tijn_> it doesnt like gay porn ;)
[09:20] <_evil_h_> stupid question. what would happen if i typed this into Konsole and hit enter? :for i in *; do unzip -n "$i"; done
[09:21] <sniff> but it's not gay porn, it's called giant lezbos have fun or soemthign
[09:21] <tijn_> giant?
[09:21] <tijn_> you know...
[09:22] <tijn_> you scare me
[09:22] <tijn_> really :)
[09:22] <sniff> hehehe
[09:22] <sniff> i'm just messin!
[09:23] <_evil_h_> anyone?
[09:24] <sniff> _evil_h_:  i got no idea m8
[09:24] <tijn_> _evil_h_ looks like you are going to unzip everything in that dir
[09:24] <_evil_h_> scheisse
[09:24] <_evil_h_> that sucks
[09:25] <tijn_> why?
[09:25] <_evil_h_> i just unzipped everything in my Home folder
[09:25] <_evil_h_> and i dont know where it unzipped it all too
[09:25] <_mindspin> hi I disabled acpi on boot, do I have tpo add an apm=on entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst to get apm started?
[09:28] <_evil_h_> damn i cant find where i just unzipped all that crap too
[09:34] <sniff> _evil_h_: what folder were you in when u executed the command?
[09:34] <sniff> it should be there
[09:34] <sniff> otherwise maybe in /tmp?
[09:34] <_evil_h_> i was in home
[09:34] <_evil_h_> but i dont see any new folders or anything
[09:34] <_evil_h_> meh
[09:35] <_evil_h_> no biggy i suppose
[09:38] <sniff> hehehe
[09:38] <sniff> must have gone somewhere
[09:38] <sniff> but maybe they stayed in /tmp
[09:39] <sniff> no!
[09:39] <sniff> press F5 in konqueror!
[09:40] <sniff> can u see em?
[09:40] <_evil_h_> one sec
[09:40] <_evil_h_> puter is slow
[09:40] <jcoffman> hey all, old slack user here, just started using kubuntu, and love it
[09:40] <sniff> jcoffman: goooooood
[09:40] <_evil_h_> found em
[09:40] <sniff> but....?
[09:41] <sniff> _evil_h_: needed to press f5?
[09:41] <_evil_h_> deleting >: D take that evil files!!!
[09:41] <sniff> ha
[09:41] <sniff> _evil_h_: where were they?
[09:41] <jcoffman> only distro ive ever run that didnt require rolling a new kernel to get sound
[09:41] <sniff> jcoffman: what 's your sound system outta interest?
[09:41] <_evil_h_> they were in the home folder where they should have been. just needed to refresh the view
[09:42] <jcoffman> some no-name via chipset, i think, ac97 codec
[09:42] <sniff> ahhh so.... _evil_h_ did i just help you!????????
[09:42] <_evil_h_> yup
[09:42] <sniff> :D:D
[09:42] <sniff> wow! first time!
[09:42] <jcoffman> but for some reason, alsa doesnt pick it up until i compile a 2.6 kernel build
[09:42] <_evil_h_> lol
[09:42] <_evil_h_> hey sniff port scan me
[09:42] <sniff> fine
[09:42] <jcoffman> fedora core picked it up, but i hate fedora core with a passion
[09:42] <sniff> but what's your ip?
[09:42] <_evil_h_> 192.168.1.101
[09:42] <jcoffman> lol
[09:43] <sniff> really?
[09:43] <sniff> wow
[09:43] <tijn_> haha
[09:43] <_evil_h_> just a sec
[09:43] <sniff> _evil_h_: that's wrong
[09:43] <_evil_h_> wrong one
[09:43] <sniff> ifconfig
[09:43] <tijn_> not 127.0.0.1? :)
[09:43] <jcoffman> installing fc is a bite, and getting it working correctly is near impossible
[09:43] <sniff> you n00b!
[09:43] <tijn_> i think you are behind a router?
[09:43] <sniff> yeah
[09:43] <tijn_> or something
[09:43] <sniff> _evil_h_: i can only scan your router
[09:43] <_evil_h_> damn
[09:43] <jcoffman> unless he's dmzed, but he wouldnt be dmzed, now would he?
[09:44] <sniff> unless there is some port-forwarding jiggery-poker at work
[09:44] <_evil_h_> no im not
[09:44] <sniff> yeah _evil_h_  dmz yourself
[09:44] <sniff> then we'll see who is secure ;)
[09:44] <jcoffman> uh, dont do that
[09:44] <_evil_h_> lol
[09:44] <B1zz> is there a similar program to gdesklets for kde?
[09:44] <sniff> c.mon why not?
[09:44] <sniff> kubuntu is secure right?
[09:44] <_evil_h_> im dumb and a n00b when it comes to securing my LAN but i aint quite that dumb
[09:44] <jcoffman> only as secure as the user
[09:45] <sniff> anyway let me port scan it
[09:45] <tijn_> B1zz karamba
[09:45] <tijn_> or superkaramba
[09:45] <B1zz> thank you :)
[09:45] <sniff> and after 2 mins remove it from dmz
[09:45] <tijn_> its nice :)
[09:45] <_evil_h_> gdesklets works in KDE too
[09:45] <B1zz> will look into it
[09:45] <B1zz> does it?
[09:45] <_evil_h_> yes it does
[09:45] <B1zz> thank you :)
[09:45] <jcoffman> ive heard that kubuntu disables root login by default
[09:45] <jcoffman> since i never log in as root, is that true?
[09:45] <sniff> it's right
[09:46] <_evil_h_> i aint DMZ ing my router. i'd have to shut my Windows computers down
[09:46] <sniff> _evil_h_: nooooooo
[09:46] <jcoffman> thats half the fun right there
[09:46] <sniff> only one computer can be DMZed
[09:46] <jcoffman> hey joene
[09:46] <sniff> jcoffman: the default account is an admin one though
[09:47] <tijn_> Joene mofo
[09:47] <jcoffman> the default account has sudo permissions, yes, but that still requires that the user enter the root password
[09:47] <sniff> _evil_h_: so just tell your router to DMZ the kubuntu one
[09:47] <jcoffman> or am i misunderstanding how kubuntu works?
[09:47] <sniff> jcoffman: not the route password
[09:47] <sniff> jcoffman: the root password is chosen by ubuntu
[09:47] <jcoffman> sorry, not the root password
[09:47] <jcoffman> tired, on meds
[09:47] <sniff> jcoffman: but you can sudo change it using the admin account
[09:48] <tijn_> meh
[09:48] <jcoffman> it still makes you enter the user's password
[09:48] <tijn_> sudo passwd root :D
[09:48] <sniff> _evil_h_:  ready??
[09:53] <stjepan> hello
[09:53] <stjepan> I installed KUbuntu
[09:53] <stjepan> the problem is that I do not know how to open any sidebars in konqueror??
[09:53] <stjepan> any ideas?
[09:53] <Phazeman> can someone please tell me which file contains the default welcome note of the ssh ?
[09:54] <tijn_> etc/motd
[09:54] <tijn_> i think
[09:55] <Phazeman> thanks
[09:55] <tijn_> np
[09:57] <stjepan> have you got any sidebars in konqueror?
[09:57] <stjepan> I cant access sidebars even by menus :(
[09:57] <stjepan> I installed some sidebars also
[09:58] <Joene> Phazeman, or you can enable the banner option in /etc/sshd/sshd_config, this points to /etc/issue.net
[09:58] <sniff> isn;t issue.net a symlink?
[10:00] <Hobbsee> !wifi
[10:00] <ubotu> well, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[10:00] <Hobbsee> !wireless
[10:00] <ubotu> wireless is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[10:00] <Hobbsee> that's the one i watned...
[10:01] <sniff> god
[10:01] <sniff> i love that ubotu
[10:01] <stjepan> and there is no "Load view profile" menu in konqueror. Really strange? In slackware I had that :-O
[10:01] <sniff> he's a DUDE!
[10:01] <stjepan> !help
[10:01] <_evil_h1> whos a dude?
[10:01] <sniff> the ubotu
[10:01] <Hobbsee> sniff: definetly
[10:01] <_evil_h1> heh
[10:01] <Random1> whats the name of the MS core fonts?
[10:02] <sniff> just like that turtle off "Finding Nemo"
[10:02] <Hobbsee> !msttcorefonts
[10:02] <ubotu> it has been said that msttcorefonts is sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need multiverse enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first
[10:02] <_evil_h1> nick _evil_h_
[10:02] <Joene> sniff, no it's not a symlink, just two files, issue and issue.net
[10:02] <sniff> "Wifi is, like..."
[10:02] <Random1> th
[10:02] <Random1> ty*
[10:02] <sniff> Joene: so which one do u enter the banner in to?
[10:02] <stjepan> !cpustats
[10:02] <ubotu> Total CPU usage: 764.9 s ... Total used: 0.245 % (parent/child ratio: 29.8 %)
[10:02] <_evil_h1> whats the syntax to change your nick
[10:02] <stjepan>  /nick newnick
[10:03] <evil_h> there thats better
[10:03] <sniff> ah
[10:03] <sniff> two evils
[10:03] <sniff> that's too evil
[10:03] <sniff> :(
[10:03] <sniff> sorry
[10:03] <Random1> Package msttcorefonts is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:03] <Random1> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:03] <Random1> is only available from another source
[10:03] <Random1> wtf does that mean?
[10:04] <tijn_> it means that the package is not availeble
[10:04] <Joene> sniff, can be both i think ... sshd_config points to issue.net, i don't know the difference between these two files.
[10:04] <Random1> it was available like 2 weeks ago..
[10:04] <tijn_> well, i took it :D
[10:04] <sniff> Random1: mine is installing ook right now
[10:04] <sniff> try diff mirror
[10:04] <Random1> damn, what did i F up now
[10:04] <sniff> or run sudo apt-get update first
[10:05] <Random1> ohhh ok
[10:05] <Random1> ill try that
[10:05] <sniff> can u believe it right
[10:05] <Random1> same prop :(
[10:05] <tijn_> and when you do an apt-cache search?
[10:05] <sniff> i'm in china at the mo, but i use the sources from the uK, they are faster than china mainland or hong kong repos
[10:05] <sniff> random
[10:06] <sniff> is your sources.list ok>?
[10:06] <Random1> yea
[10:06] <Random1> i dont understand
[10:06] <Random1> ive installed them before
[10:06] <sniff> well
[10:06] <sniff> i just got mine installed :)
[10:06] <_jcoffman> that was fun
[10:07] <evil_h> ?
[10:07] <_jcoffman> the network setup applet doesnt save your default gateway specification to the interfaces file
[10:07] <_jcoffman> had to do it by hand
[10:07] <tijn_> joene is installing it too
[10:08] <sniff> what the hell is wrong with bogofilter
[10:08] <sniff> it don't do nuffin
[10:08] <sniff> all email are marked as 52% probable even though they are obviously SPAM
[10:09] <B1zz> how come when I try to open a program as root (one that has a gui) i get this error? an error that says Xlib: Connection to "0.0" refused by server
[10:09] <_jcoffman> i think you need to set something with +x permissions to root, could be wrong
[10:09] <sniff> Random1: try backin up your sources.list file and making a new one
[10:09] <_jcoffman> i forget, exactly
[10:09] <tijn_> B1zz try alt+F2
[10:09] <sniff> !easysource
[10:09] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[10:09] <tijn_> and type xhost +
[10:09] <Random1> how do i do that?
[10:09] <sniff> Random1: make a new source file from http://forums.speedguide.net/showthread.php?t=126735
[10:10] <sniff> Random1: try installing the fonts
[10:10] <sniff> then after you can get your old source.list back
[10:10] <sniff> Random1: even use a different country code like GB or HK to get diff mirror
[10:10] <Random1> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[10:10] <Random1> im lost
[10:10] <Joene> tijn_, 'xhost +' is only temporary i think?
[10:10] <Random1> im new to linux
[10:10] <tijn_> your @ #kubuntu
[10:11] <Random1> so please forgive me
[10:11] <sniff> Random1: sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list.backup
[10:11] <Random1> ok
[10:11] <sniff> shit sorry
[10:11] <sniff> no!
[10:11] <Joene> :)
[10:11] <Random1> ..
[10:11] <tijn_> if you move forwatd and go left, there is #debian
[10:11] <sniff> sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup
[10:11] <tijn_> forward*
[10:11] <sniff> ok that's right
[10:11] <tijn_> no left
[10:11] <tijn_> right is #ubuntu
[10:11] <sniff> this changes the name of sources.list to sources.list.backup
[10:12] <Random1> ok
[10:12] <Random1> done
[10:12] <Random1> now what do i do?
[10:12] <sniff> what country are you in Random1 ?
[10:12] <Random1> US
[10:12] <sniff> fine
[10:13] <sniff> Random1: go to http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic  and enter GB as your country code, and select all the top few sources
[10:13] <sniff> Random1: and the Breezy Backports about half-way down the page
[10:13] <Random1> what exactly is backports?
[10:14] <sniff> more modern software design to be compatible with breezy
[10:14] <Random1> ohh
[10:14] <Random1> should it be enabled in my list source thing?
[10:15] <sniff> Random1: doesn't have to be
[10:15] <Random1> ok
[10:15] <sniff> Random1: for this exercise we don't really need it
[10:15] <sniff> Random1: after that tell it to give you a sources.list
[10:15] <Random1> ol
[10:15] <Random1> got it
[10:16] <sniff> save the contents in a file in home
[10:16] <sniff> just call the file "a" to make it easy :)
[10:16] <Random1> ok
[10:16] <sniff> Random1: then go to a terminal "sudo mv ~a /etc/apt/sources.list"
[10:17] <sniff> then "sudo apt-get update"
[10:17] <Random1> ok
[10:17] <Random1> thx
[10:17] <sniff> Random1: should go through all the GB mirrors?
[10:17] <sniff> then try your fonts thingy
[10:17] <Random1> ok
[10:18] <Random1> its telling me no such file
[10:18] <sniff> what command are you doing?
[10:18] <Random1> that one you pasted
[10:18] <sniff> the "mv"?
[10:18] <Random1> sudo mv ~a /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:19] <sniff> what's the name of the file?
[10:19] <Random1> a
[10:19] <Random1> and its in my home folder
[10:19] <sniff> what's your user name?
[10:19] <sniff> on the comp
[10:19] <Random1> mylinux
[10:19] <sniff> sudo mv /home/mylinux/a /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:20] <Random1> ok done
[10:20] <Random1> now ill update
[10:20] <sniff> yep
[10:20] <sniff> is it working?
[10:20] <sniff> * Hobbsee
[10:20] <Hobbsee> the reason ndiswrapper isnt finding my wireless card is that it isnt fully in....sheesh!
[10:20] <sniff> mm how u get the blue highlight?
[10:21] <asymmetry> sniff: /me <something>
[10:21] <sniff> Random1: does it update correctly?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> ah ha - a flashing light!
[10:21] <Random1> yea
[10:21] <sniff> ahh
[10:21] <sniff> cool :)
[10:21] <sniff> Random1: do the fonts work?
[10:21] <gibarian> hey everyone...is anyone else having problems getting MusicBrainz to work inside amaroK?
[10:22] <Random1> ok it worked
[10:22] <Random1> thanks for the help
[10:22] <sniff> great
[10:22] <sniff> Random1: now u need your old sources file back
[10:23] <sniff> sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.gb
[10:23] <sniff> the
[10:23] <Hobbsee> !wpa
[10:23] <ubotu> wpa is, like, totally, enable the universe repository, then "sudo apt-get update", and then "sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant".  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto for more details
[10:23] <sniff> sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list.backup /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:24] <sniff> Random1: then:   sudo apt-get update
[10:24] <sniff> now you have a file called sources.list.gb   which contains the sources you just used incase you want them again
[10:24] <sniff> Random1: done it all ok?
[10:25] <Random1> yup, it worked
[10:25] <Random1> now, do you know what font Windows uses?
[10:25] <sniff> uses for explorer?
[10:25] <Random1> yea i guess
[10:26] <sniff> er no
[10:26] <Random1> for everything, i think its all the same
[10:26] <oregon> Bonjour a tous, j'ai un probleme je souhaiterai modifier ma configurer de mes carte reseau donc je click sur "Administrator Mode" et je rentre mon password mais apres rien ne ce passe c'est toujours gris ! On peut m'aider svp ?
[10:26] <sniff> i never cared
[10:26] <sniff> maybe ariel or system
[10:26] <_mindspin> ! fr
[10:26] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[10:26] <oregon> oki merci
[10:28] <[Vampis] > ;)
[10:29] <Random1> how do i change what browser is the default?
[10:30] <sniff> Random1: SYSTEM SETTINGS -> USER ACCOUNTS - DEFAULT APPS
[10:30] <Random1> ok
[10:30] <Hobbsee> yay!  it worked first go!
[10:30] <Hobbsee> it's much easier having done this before!
[10:31] <sniff> what did u do/
[10:31] <sniff> ?
[10:31] <sniff> go to the toilet?
[10:31] <sniff> :D
[10:32] <Hobbsee> no, set up my wireless card with WPA and Ndiswrapper
[10:32] <sniff> ooh
[10:32] <sniff> how you do that
[10:32] <sniff> i can't even tell ndis which is the correct drive file
[10:32] <Random1> brb, gunna go boot up Windows and see if i can find what font it uses
[10:41] <oregon> c'est quoi deja irc de kubuntu fr ?
[10:41] <bimberi> !fr
[10:41] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[10:41] <Random1> interesting.. the Times New Roman font in Windows and Kubuntu are different
[10:42] <sniff> Random1: if u want a windows clone, i don't think you're looking in the right place
[10:42] <Random1> ummm
[10:42] <Random1> where/what should i be looking for?
[10:43] <sniff> windows is a proprietry system
[10:43] <sniff> ubuntu is completely free
[10:43] <Random1> yes i know
[10:43] <Random1> but i just want it's font
[10:43] <sniff> c'mon times is ugly
[10:43] <bimberi> !info msttcorefonts
[10:43] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 164 kB
[10:44] <Random1> meh..
[10:44] <Random1> ok
[10:44] <Random1> Serif is good enough
[10:44] <bimberi> Random1: install that ^^^^^ (from the multiverse repository)
[10:44] <Random1> i did
[10:44] <Random1> its ok, i found one i like
[10:44] <bimberi> Random1: ah kk :)
[10:46] <KaoticEvil> hey everyone :)
[10:46] <Random1> hi
[10:46] <rosemary> hello KaoticEvil
[10:46] <Hobbsee> KaoticEvil: yay!
[10:47] <Hobbsee> want to get mine going too?
[10:47] <KaoticEvil> lol Hobbsee
[10:47] <KaoticEvil> i dont think so :P
[10:47] <KaoticEvil> ndiswrapper is easy-peasy tho :)
[10:47] <Hobbsee> trying to associate with blah (essid)
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Association request to the driver failed
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Authentication with 00:00:00:00:00:00 timed out.
[10:47] <sniff> i have intel drivers with my wireless
[10:47] <Hobbsee> maybe it's because i tried ndiswrapper with the RC1
[10:47] <Hobbsee> and am using WPA
[10:47] <KaoticEvil> sniff: mine is a marvell shipset...
[10:47] <sniff> but there are many files contained within the driver directory
[10:48] <sniff> how you know which file is the driver file for ndis?
[10:48] <KaoticEvil> sniff: lspci :)
[10:48] <KaoticEvil> theres a list.. wait one...
[10:49] <KaoticEvil> !ndis
[10:49] <ubotu> I guess ndis is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper or http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[10:49] <KaoticEvil> there ya go sniff... thats what i used :)
[10:51] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee: i was actually back on windows because i couldnt get native support for my card...
[10:51] <sniff> right, i;ll cehck it ourt
[10:51] <KaoticEvil> and based on previous experiences, installing hardware thats not natively support is a real pain... not so this time...
[10:52] <KaoticEvil> it helped a lot that (k)ubuntu comes with ndiswrapper ready to load
[10:55] <sniff> oh shit
[10:55] <sniff> i'm trying to print that page to pdf
[10:55] <sniff> but there are over 1000 pages!?
[10:55] <sniff> 1300
[10:55] <sniff> 1400
[10:55] <sniff> wtf?
[10:56] <Random1> anyone here familiar with ClamAV?
[10:56] <gibarian> hey everyone...I'm having trouble with MusicBrainz in amarok as well as in Juk...anyone know about any problems there?
[10:56] <KaoticEvil> lol
[10:57] <KaoticEvil> sniff: i just saved the HTML file to my flashdrive, and loaded it up under kubuntu... that way i had it right there and didnt have to run back and forth
[10:58] <KaoticEvil> wb Hobbsee
[10:58] <Hobbsee> hi again KaoticEvil
[10:58] <Hobbsee> stupid wireless and WPA...
[10:58] <kosh> hehe wireless
[10:58] <kosh> in another 10-20 years it will be ready to use :)
[10:59] <Hentai^XP> ?
[10:59] <KaoticEvil> kosh: mine is working right now...
[10:59] <KaoticEvil> or are you referring to encryption and security?
[10:59] <kosh> not reliably enough, securely enough etc
[10:59] <KaoticEvil> eh
[11:00] <KaoticEvil> right now, i am running my wireless unsecured... ive only just now got linux to use it
[11:00] <KaoticEvil> and i dont want to mess with it
[11:00] <KaoticEvil> besides, i live out in the sticks... no one else here has a wireless network... and i seriously doubt if anyone out here even has a computer...
[11:01] <kosh> wireless is just not even close to being as reliable as wired is
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> no, its not as reliable... but it is getting better
[11:02] <KaoticEvil> ok.. now time to update my system... this may take a while hehehe
[11:02] <kosh> but not even close
[11:02] <kosh> I can't even remember the last time a wired network has failed on me for any reason
[11:02] <KaoticEvil> actually, i didnt have any issues with my wireless when i was on windows
[11:02] <kosh> but my experience with wireless is several disconnects per day, it will auto reconnect but it does have lags
[11:02] <KaoticEvil> ive had wired networks fail me several times ;)
[11:03] <sniff> KaoticEvil: i was trying to print that webpage to a pdf
[11:03] <Hentai^XP> I havne't exp that
[11:03] <sniff> it cause konqueror to crash
[11:03] <sniff> 3 time
[11:03] <KaoticEvil> i do agree that it is nowhere near as reliable or secure as a wired network
[11:03] <KaoticEvil> lol sniff
[11:03] <KaoticEvil> sniff: simply save the HTML file...
[11:03] <sniff> so i saved it as a WAR isntead
[11:03] <KaoticEvil> there ya go :)
[11:03] <sniff> yeah
[11:04] <sniff> but who's heard of a .war??
[11:04] <sniff> it sounds like some kind of obscure dog or something
[11:04] <Hentai^XP> nm fudge it, I don't run linux
[11:04] <KaoticEvil> lol
[11:04] <sniff> "i've got a war"
[11:04] <KaoticEvil> i assume its a Web ARchive... similar to *.mht files...
[11:04] <sniff> "oh really!? which country is that from??"
[11:04] <Hobbsee> KaoticEvil: you should stick WPA or WEP on it
[11:05] <sniff> yeah atleast .mht are more compatible
[11:05] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee: oh, i know... but as i said... ive only now gotten it working at all...
[11:05] <Hobbsee> true
[11:05] <sniff> KaoticEvil: no need
[11:05] <Hentai^XP> Hobbsee if hes out in the sticks meh
[11:05] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee: besides...
[11:05] <sniff> KaoticEvil: just MAC filtering is enough
[11:05] <Hobbsee> well...yeah..
[11:05] <KaoticEvil> yeah, thats what i was getting to...
[11:05] <Hentai^XP> unless he has freguent visitors around
[11:05] <Hentai^XP> meh
[11:06] <KaoticEvil> and i dont
[11:06] <sniff> KaoticEvil: if you see a white van parked near your home, you know somethings up
[11:06] <KaoticEvil> thats why i never bothered...
[11:06] <KaoticEvil> lol sniff
[11:06] <sniff> KaoticEvil: also if your phone lines get cut
[11:06] <sniff> KaoticEvil: AMBUSH!
[11:06] <KaoticEvil> heh
[11:06] <sniff> so yeah best encrypt
[11:06] <KaoticEvil> . o O ( paranoid much? )
[11:06] <sniff> KaoticEvil: but surely MAC filtering is more than enough
[11:06] <sniff> then you only change a setting on the router
[11:06] <KaoticEvil> probably
[11:07] <KaoticEvil> yeah
[11:07] <KaoticEvil> lol... 104 packages to upgrade LOL
[11:07] <sniff> do it in failsafe man
[11:07] <KaoticEvil> i wonder if that will update me to KDE3.5...
[11:07] <sniff> no
[11:07] <KaoticEvil> no? :(
[11:07] <sniff> not unless u got kubuntu something in your repos
[11:08] <KaoticEvil> oh well, 3.4 works well enough :)
[11:08] <sniff> i upgraded to 3.5
[11:08] <sniff> it's much faster
[11:08] <KaoticEvil> i was on RC1 on a previous install
[11:08] <sniff> but something broke in my system
[11:08] <KaoticEvil> not for me it wasnt...
[11:08] <sniff> so i reformatted
[11:08] <KaoticEvil> and i had issues with my sound too...
[11:08] <sniff> end of next month there will be the stable release anyway
[11:08] <KaoticEvil> well, see... im on a 400MHz celeron, with 128MB of RAM...
[11:09] <sniff> wow
[11:09] <KaoticEvil> and an onboard Intel810 graphics chip
[11:09] <sniff> that's low spec man
[11:09] <KaoticEvil> 1MB :)
[11:09] <sniff> heheheheheheh
[11:09] <KaoticEvil> i know... getting an 8MB Voodoo card next week sometime tho
[11:09] <sniff> what's 1....mb??
[11:09] <sniff> oooh
[11:09] <KaoticEvil> my video RAM
[11:09] <KaoticEvil> and its shared lol
[11:09] <sniff> make kde fly like shit off a shovel
[11:09] <KaoticEvil> LOL yeah, right
[11:09] <KaoticEvil> as soon as i reconfigure X to use it :P
[11:10] <sniff> does it have glide drivers?
[11:10] <KaoticEvil> probably
[11:10] <KaoticEvil> i dunno
[11:10] <KaoticEvil> im relatively new to linux
[11:11] <sniff> KaoticEvil: me too
[11:11] <KaoticEvil> i was getting worried for a lil while about ndiswrapper.. some one told me that id have to compile a new kernel
[11:11] <KaoticEvil> ive done it before, but i dont like doing it
[11:11] <KaoticEvil> ive been using *nix off and on for the last 5 or 6 years... never actually stuck with it tho
[11:12] <sniff> i been trying distros like suse for 2 years
[11:12] <KaoticEvil> then, shortly after breezy came out, a friend told me about ubuntu... i dont like gnome, so found kubuntu instead :)
[11:12] <sniff> just when had good enough support for my hardware i change computer
[11:12] <sniff> ended up with windows again
[11:13] <sniff> now linux is just starting to get to grips with the hardware in my new laptop
[11:13] <KaoticEvil> ive used slack (9 and 10), SuSE9, vector, knoppix, mandrake (several versions), red hat (several versions)
[11:13] <sniff> more than me
[11:13] <sniff> but really only suse interested me
[11:13] <sniff> but it's so bloody slow
[11:13] <KaoticEvil> i didnt like suse 9.1.. of course, i had personal...
[11:13] <rosemary> KaoticEvil: what do you think of vector?
[11:13] <KaoticEvil> it doesnt come with gcc
[11:13] <sniff> it's like it's trying to walk through mud
[11:13] <KaoticEvil> i liked the fact that it was lean and fast
[11:14] <KaoticEvil> but i wasnt gonna try to install K...
[11:14] <rosemary> I used xfce with it
[11:14] <KaoticEvil> its not a bad distro for older hardware, but i wouldnt recommend it to a newb
[11:14] <KaoticEvil> as did i
[11:14] <KaoticEvil> i dont like it :P
[11:14] <sniff> :)
[11:14] <kavit> so KaoticEvil and sniff why do you guys keep returning to linux
[11:14] <rosemary> no too hard for a newb,but yes good on older hardware
[11:15] <KaoticEvil> kavit: because i like linux... i like open source (all the software i write is open source)
[11:15] <KaoticEvil> and ive been wanting to move away from windows for several years
[11:15] <KaoticEvil> ive just never found a distro that suited me
[11:15] <KaoticEvil> i have now.. but not before
[11:16] <KaoticEvil> i even tried gentoo once... but that was out of my league
[11:16] <kavit> i am just trying to figure out how many people do it for idealogy and how many do it because windows costs money and linux is a worthy alternative for their use
[11:16] <sniff> kavit: i wanted to switch to linux for two years now, but i can't do any fancy stuff with it so I must wait until it can handle my hardware without too much user intervention. Right now I can get awway with installing a couple of fixes and compiling a kernel module. But I know linuk and the idea is fab
[11:16] <kavit> sniff: what fancy stuff can't you do?
[11:17] <sniff> kavit: there is no doubt, the only advantage windows has is that it can run anything you wanna buy/download
[11:17] <KaoticEvil> kavit: i was running kubuntu quite happily on this computer for about 3 months, then i moved in with my girlfriend, and i didnt want to run wires for a LAN
[11:17] <sniff> i mean using the terminal to recompile kernels and stuff, i can follow a basic walkthrough
[11:17] <kavit> sniff: i never buy software.
[11:17] <sniff> i never buy software either
[11:18] <sniff> i prefer unofficial channels
[11:18] <KaoticEvil> went with wireless instead... but i couldnt find useful info for working my wireless card with kubuntu
[11:18] <KaoticEvil> and my g/f was tired of me being on her computer all the time, so i had to get mine running quick like...
[11:19] <KaoticEvil> so i simply went in, backed up what i could, killed the drive, and re-installed 2K Pro
[11:19] <KaoticEvil> . o O ( which, sadly, is actually faster than K on my hardware :( )
[11:19] <sniff> there must have been tears in your eye KaoticEvil
[11:19] <kosh> sniff: not antyhing
[11:19] <KaoticEvil> there were
[11:19] <kavit> ah
[11:19] <kosh> sniff: I have done work with a fair bit of software that was unix only
[11:19] <kavit> i believe software is like a knowledgebase
[11:20] <kavit> its like paying someone money to use the Pythogoras's theorem
[11:20] <KaoticEvil> "unofficial channels" i like that LOL
[11:20] <sniff> look i install kubuntu
[11:20] <sniff> it's pretty secure, no open ports etc.
[11:20] <kosh> you are paying someone money for their time to write it
[11:20] <kavit> open ports do not mean insecure...
[11:20] <kosh> if you don't pay in some way you will find it harder to find any software that will work for you
[11:20] <kavit> if you dont have ports open, how would you run a webserver.
[11:21] <sniff> I install windows I spend 3/4hours optimizing the config and installing all kinds of software and patches to to make it vagualy secure
[11:21] <burepe> what is the command to see how much space I have in my harddrive?
[11:21] <kosh> df
[11:21] <_mindspin> du
[11:21] <kavit> burepe: a combination of df anf du
[11:21] <kavit> although if you du -s / be prepared for a bit of a wait.
[11:21] <_mindspin> there's always another way to do it
[11:21] <sniff> kosh: i know what you are saying, but the context in which i used "pay" can define "pay" as meaning "monetry exchange for the goods/services of another party"
[11:22] <kosh> all the software I write is under the gpl but it is custom made based on what customers want, others can use the software but if you want help with it you have to pay
[11:22] <kavit> i prefer the BSD licence.... it is for you to do with as you please.
[11:22] <KaoticEvil> kosh: what language(s) do you code in?
[11:22] <kosh> python usually and I do zope apps
[11:23] <sniff> anyway, what finaly pushed me over the edge with windows was the monthly reformats
[11:23] <kosh> kavit: do you write software?
[11:23] <kavit> kosh: yeah
[11:23] <kosh> sniff: monthly reformats?
[11:23] <KaoticEvil> monthly reformats?
[11:23] <sniff> yeah
[11:23] <sniff> windows screws up
[11:23] <kosh> sniff: god I can have windows running for years with no viruses, spyware etc
[11:23] <KaoticEvil> you were doing something wrong then...
[11:23] <kosh> windows may suck but it does not suck that badly
[11:23] <KaoticEvil> i can do the same thing.. and have on several occasions...
[11:23] <sniff> i'm always doing new software installs/uninstalls
[11:24] <kosh> maybe you should try paying for the software instead of finding cracked versions with other bugs in it ;)
[11:24] <rosemary> I ran windows for ten years without a virus
[11:24] <sniff> after about a month windows gets full of crap, that nothing can fix like a reinstall
[11:24] <burepe> thanks
[11:24] <kosh> then you don't know what you are doing
[11:24] <sniff> fu
[11:24] <kavit> kosh: so you are saying paid software would have no bugs?
[11:24] <KaoticEvil> ive run every version of windows (except NT3 and 4) since 3.1 and ive never had a virus
[11:24] <kosh> windows is not any harder or easier to fix then linux it just requires specific knowledge
[11:24] <kosh> kavit: no I am saying that based on my experience the cracked versions often have issues that don't exist in the normal retail versions
[11:25] <kosh> kavit: ie the cracks often introduce some of the bugs
[11:25] <kavit> KaoticEvil: but how would you know you didn't get infected by say the MSADC bug?
[11:25] <sniff> on the whole i used gnu software even on windows
[11:25] <kavit> kosh: i have never really used windows at all
[11:25] <KaoticEvil> kavit: i make every attempt to secure my systems as much as possible
[11:25] <sniff> apart from dreamweaver
[11:25] <kavit> been a BSD man since day one.
[11:25] <sniff> and vmware
[11:26] <KaoticEvil> antivirus software, regular spy/ad/malware scans
[11:26] <sniff> hehe making a ltsp vmware edubuntu network was amuzing
[11:26] <KaoticEvil> routine security audits
[11:26] <kavit> KaoticEvil: thats not the point.... the point is even if you did secure your system, some vendor bugs will be present, MSADC bug didnt get disclosed and was in the wild for a few months
[11:26] <sniff> KaoticEvil: that just basic man
[11:26] <kavit> did so much damage
[11:27] <sniff> i was running a windows server for months
[11:27] <KaoticEvil> kavit: allow to me rephrase... ive never had a virus that i was aware of
[11:27] <danimo> moin
[11:27] <danimo> what repository on dapper is supposed to have libxine1c2 ?
[11:27] <sniff> i think that the biggest prob for windows is the fs
[11:27] <danimo> I can't find it after I removed the flight 3 cd from my sources.list
[11:27] <kosh> the only system I have had known viruses on was os/2 and that was for testing purposes
[11:27] <sniff> ntfs is just too prone to fragging
[11:27] <KaoticEvil> no unexpected behavior, unless i was doing strange things...
[11:27] <kavit> KaoticEvil: i wasn't being pedantic, just trying to prove that in a close model obscurity can be a tw2o edged sword.
[11:27] <KaoticEvil> ntfs is not...
[11:27] <kosh> we would take systems that where likely infected and run them inside os/2 in the dos box to verify and remove
[11:28] <KaoticEvil> ntfs is the best fs you can use when running windows...
[11:28] <sniff> KaoticEvil: obviously
[11:28] <kavit> thank god I have always had work in the *nix market, never needed to use windows
[11:28] <kosh> KaoticEvil: I note that that is not saying much ;)
[11:28] <KaoticEvil> FATxx is prone to file fragmentation much more so than NTFS...
[11:28] <sniff> KaoticEvil: but since you can only choose between fat32 and ntfs
[11:28] <KaoticEvil> lol kosh
[11:28] <sniff> KaoticEvil: i disagree
[11:29] <KaoticEvil> in fact, over regular usage (on my own personal boxes, which are used very heavily)
[11:29] <sniff> KaoticEvil: ntfs is just a prone if not more so than fat32 to fragmentation
[11:29] <KaoticEvil> sniff: not in my experience...
[11:29] <sniff> i have autmated defragging run over night
[11:29] <sniff> and that keeps it acceptable
[11:29] <KaoticEvil> ive run my hard drives ragged, and had very little file fragmentation on NTFS...
[11:29] <sniff> but that's just another service eating up system resources
[11:29] <KaoticEvil> whereas on FATxx, it was horrible
[11:30] <sniff> KaoticEvil: mm
[11:30] <sniff> KaoticEvil: what kinds systems have you run?
[11:30] <KaoticEvil> sniff: most were home-brew...
[11:30] <KaoticEvil> i had a couple of old tandy systems (100TL/2 and a 2500SX)
[11:30] <sniff> also these windows fs can literally eat your hard drive space if you choose an incorrect cluster size
[11:30] <sniff> cluster slack is a bith
[11:31] <sniff> bitch
[11:31] <KaoticEvil> sniff: ext can do the same ;)
[11:31] <KaoticEvil> ive seen that happen as well :P
[11:31] <sniff> i use reiser
[11:31] <KaoticEvil> as am i
[11:31] <sniff> and the bsd filesystem has it sorted too
[11:31] <KaoticEvil> ive never played with BSD...
[11:31] <sniff> man i have nothing good to say about ntfs
[11:31] <sniff> and i hate fat32 with a vengence
[11:31] <KaoticEvil> ive got CDs for FreeBSD... but havent messed about with them
[11:32] <kosh> ext3, xfs and jfs would all be improvements over fat32 and ntfs
[11:32] <KaoticEvil> the one thing i hate about NTFS... my windows 98 bootdisks cant read or write them unless i add the TSR for i...
[11:32] <Hentai^XP> access time between ACLs
[11:32] <sniff> the other thing that really pisses me off is that i boot into XP, it's already using 150mb swap space
[11:32] <sniff> all those linux filesystems are superior
[11:32] <KaoticEvil> sniff: are you serious?
[11:32] <sniff> and all except ext2 support journalling
[11:32] <kosh> a windows 98 boot disk
[11:32] <KaoticEvil> you must have something configured wrong
[11:32] <sniff> no
[11:32] <Hentai^XP> add in extra posix ACLs ext to linux systems and some access time on certain FS goes poopies
[11:32] <kosh> god I don't think any of my systems would work with that at all
[11:32] <sniff> man
[11:33] <KaoticEvil> kosh: i use the windows98 boot record as my defacto standard for boot disks
[11:33] <sniff> i know windows like the back of my hand
[11:33] <sniff> i got 512mb ram
[11:33] <KaoticEvil> sniff: as do i ;)
[11:33] <KaoticEvil> lemme go check something.. brb
[11:33] <sniff> it leaves me with like 350mb free
[11:33] <kosh> KaoticEvil: I don't think any of the boxes around here even have a floppy drive, I use a kubuntu live cd as my default boot disk :)
[11:33] <sniff> but for some reason windows is so happy to dump shit in the swap
[11:33] <kosh> that is by design
[11:33] <evil_h> i got 2 gigs ram and windows uses swap
[11:34] <sniff> i edit the registry to prevent it caching itself
[11:34] <kosh> windows is designed for a single app at a time
[11:34] <sniff> EXACTLY
[11:34] <sniff> it's BAD design
[11:34] <kosh> so anything that is not the foreground app is aggresively swapped out
[11:34] <kosh> it is not a bad design or a good design it is just differnt
[11:34] <sniff> that's right
[11:34] <sniff> that pisses me off
[11:34] <kosh> however the server and professional versions don't behave that way
[11:34] <sniff> mine do
[11:35] <sniff> although they can be configure to be enabled to enhance server performance
[11:35] <KaoticEvil> kosh: mine are all bootable CD's ;)
[11:35] <sniff> instead of app performance
[11:35] <KaoticEvil> sniff: i just looked at my g/f's computer... she has 256MB and XPSP2
[11:35] <sniff> but unfortunately that option is incompatible with my system
[11:35] <KaoticEvil> its been up and running for almost 2 weeks now (without rebooting)
[11:35] <kosh> KaoticEvil: I just don't see the point of a 98 bootable cd, you could read none of the filesystems I have, could not get on the network, could not even read the partition tables fairly likely
[11:36] <sniff> running windows xp with system performance enabled is much better
[11:36] <kosh> KaoticEvil: a kubuntu cd though can do that and far more
[11:36] <KaoticEvil> and even with all the apps she leaves open, she is only using about 100MB of her swapfile
[11:36] <sniff> KaoticEvil: i doubt your gf and i use windows for the same tasks
[11:36] <kosh> how can that option be incompatible with your system? it just changes how the vm works and makes no additional demands on any resources
[11:37] <KaoticEvil> kosh: but a kubuntu cd is not a viable solution for me wheni go on house calls to fix my customer's computers...
[11:37] <kosh> KaoticEvil: why not?
[11:37] <evil_h> ive ran my windows machine for a week solid of encoding dvd to divx without a reboot worked just fine
[11:37] <sniff> i'm talking about mysql, apache server, vmware experimentation, web devel
[11:37] <KaoticEvil> sniff: agreed... however, i have installed several programs on her computer
[11:37] <kosh> KaoticEvil: you can read and write any filesystem, download fixes if necessary, etc
[11:37] <sniff> it all shafts the system over time
[11:37] <sniff> look put it this way
[11:37] <cyblivious> ey guys, need your recommendation. what RSS reader can you recommend?
[11:37] <KaoticEvil> kosh: many of the utils i use are not available for linux
[11:37] <sniff> i could probably have run my system for a year without rebooting
[11:38] <KaoticEvil> sniff: i used to do all those things on my systems...
[11:38] <sniff> but the performance degrades
[11:38] <KaoticEvil> in fact, i still use vmware :P
[11:38] <KaoticEvil> on a 400MHz celly lol
[11:38] <sniff> so when i have many more apps running simultaneously on kubuntu without ANY impact on performance i am a happy man
[11:39] <KaoticEvil> sniff: i had XP Pro installed on an old box of mine... it ran for nearly 2 years with no shutdowns
[11:39] <cyblivious> ey guys, need your opinions. what RSS reader can you recommend?
[11:39] <KaoticEvil> and there was *zero* performance loss
[11:39] <sniff> oh shall i say it again...
[11:39] <kosh> Akregator
[11:39] <cyblivious> but it has no newspaper view
[11:39] <KaoticEvil> i ran apache, MySQL, VMWare, a mail server
[11:39] <sniff> look man, if you install windows 3.1 and leave it switched on for 5 years it's prob ok
[11:39] <kosh> what is a newspaper view?
[11:39] <KaoticEvil> sniff: i am not a casual computer user ;)
[11:40] <KaoticEvil> i abuse my systems... push them to the edge and beyond
[11:40] <kosh> sniff: you can't do that with 3.1, 95 or default 98
[11:40] <KaoticEvil> i squeeze every single drop of performance out of my systems
[11:40] <kosh> sniff: they will shut down at 49.7 days :)
[11:40] <cyblivious> it's like all the feeds in a certain channel are in one page with 2 columns
[11:40] <KaoticEvil> the box i was referring to had 2GB of PC2700DDR
[11:40] <sniff> this is pissing me off, i live in a shared house, 7 other people. All were geeks studying web design, programming etc, and mostly taught me some stuff. We all experience the same probs
[11:40] <cyblivious> most windows rss readers have it
[11:41] <KaoticEvil> i would routinely get out of memory errors
[11:41] <cyblivious> it's like reading a newspaper
[11:41] <KaoticEvil> sniff: im simply saying that the things you are describing have never happened to me
[11:41] <KaoticEvil> even when i was running 15 different vmware workstations at the same time
[11:41] <sniff> windows is inherently poor in security and performance because it is not yet far enough removed from it's DOS histroy
[11:42] <KaoticEvil> i was still able to open up and play UT2003 :)
[11:42] <KaoticEvil> windows 2k and XP are
[11:42] <kosh> cyblivious: sorry no idea on that, it is not a way that I would interact with the program, the way Akregator does it works well for me
[11:42] <Hentai^XP> sniff poor in secuirty?
[11:42] <sniff> NTFS is not that different to FAT32
[11:42] <Hentai^XP> ok let me resay that
[11:42] <Hentai^XP> 2000 and up
[11:42] <KaoticEvil> 2K and XP are not DOS based
[11:42] <kosh> umm the nt series has no relationalship to a dos heritage at all
[11:42] <sniff> just supports, user provs, encryption and compression
[11:42] <kosh> they are descended from os/2 and vms
[11:42] <cyblivious> it's just faster to read and browse feeds in a newspaper layout. just got used to it
[11:42] <KaoticEvil> thank you kosh ..... you saved me from typing it :P
[11:43] <sniff> i never said they were BASED
[11:43] <_mindspin> kosh ever thiught about "backward compatibility"
[11:43] <kosh> _mindspin: they have a dos vm which came from os/2
[11:43] <Hentai^XP> sniff poor secuirty? 2000 and up please
[11:43] <_mindspin> and what it means to 2k and nt?
[11:43] <sniff> Hentai^XP: poor security in default configuration
[11:44] <sniff> Hentai^XP: shocking actually
[11:44] <KaoticEvil> Hentai^XP: i will give sniff that linux is much more secure OOB than any windows OS ever was
[11:44] <Hentai^XP> sniff meh
[11:44] <KaoticEvil> he is correct on that
[11:44] <KaoticEvil> however
[11:44] <kosh> _mindspin: and xp64 does not have support for win16  and below either
[11:44] <kosh> windows can be secured to a degree but it is a pain in the neck
[11:44] <KaoticEvil> you CAN configure Windows (specifically 2K and XP) to be as secure as a linux box
[11:44] <Hentai^XP> kaenat OOB depends on which linux OS, but take solaris OOB you'r running as root
[11:44] <sniff> kosh: exactly
[11:45] <sniff> a fresh install of windows xp sp2 needs 3 system restarts from downloading and install fixes
[11:45] <KaoticEvil> normally, i would say "who uses DOS anymore anyway?" but i was using it yesterday lol
[11:45] <sniff> the only saving grace of sp2 is the rudementry firewall
[11:45] <Hentai^XP> last I checked it was 2 or 1
[11:45] <KaoticEvil> blah @ that firewall
[11:46] <KaoticEvil> that thing is a waste of click cycles
[11:46] <sniff> Hentai^XP: when did you check
[11:46] <KaoticEvil> clock*
[11:46] <kosh> a firewall is the last line of defence no the first that is where windows fails
[11:46] <Hentai^XP> couple days ago
[11:46] <kosh> you can't setup a windows box to have no open external facing ports
[11:46] <Hentai^XP> I'll check again
[11:46] <sniff> kosh: dead right
[11:46] <KaoticEvil> kosh: sure you can...
[11:46] <KaoticEvil> ive done it
[11:46] <sniff> so i'm gonna do a fresh install of sp2 too
[11:46] <KaoticEvil> on an XP box
[11:46] <_tim> hia ll
[11:46] <_tim> snake r u here?
[11:47] <sniff> KaoticEvil: you use one of them install cd creators?
[11:47] <Hentai^XP> I'm talking after you get to your desktop after xp is installed and gone though the little key and setup thingy
[11:47] <sniff> KaoticEvil: or unplug it from the net?
[11:47] <kosh> KaoticEvil: how do you setup the rpc service to bind to localhost only
[11:47] <dermitrius> i have a storage drive as hdb and it always mounts as defaults (ie noexec) etc
[11:47] <kosh> KaoticEvil: if you disable it windows won't boot, and even on msdn I could find no way to bind it to local host only
[11:47] <KaoticEvil> sniff: i used nLite only to slipstream SP2 into my SP1 CD and reburn
[11:47] <KaoticEvil> made no other modifications
[11:47] <sniff> mm
[11:48] <sniff> dermitrius:
[11:48] <KaoticEvil> kosh: its called a good firewall ;)
[11:48] <sniff> dermitrius: have you upgraded breezy?
[11:48] <kosh> a firewall does not change port binding
[11:48] <kosh> all a firewall does is prevent access
[11:48] <KaoticEvil> no, but it secures the ports
[11:48] <sniff> how the hell do you install a firewall before windows boots?
[11:48] <KaoticEvil> i didnt
[11:48] <dermitrius> sniff: aye i'm on dapper flight 4
[11:48] <kosh> I stand by windows being unable to run no external facing services
[11:49] <KaoticEvil> i installed the firewall before i connected the network cable
[11:49] <KaoticEvil> kosh: agreed.. i misread your statement
[11:49] <sniff> dermitrius: i have this problem too on breezy, but i upgrade the system in adept and afteer  a reboot it's fine
[11:49] <sniff> this is what i'm saying from the beginning guy
[11:50] <sniff> windows can be made secure after isntallation but it takes time and new software
[11:50] <KaoticEvil> sniff: i agreed that OOB, linux is more secure than windows
[11:50] <sniff> and it also needs good knowledge
[11:50] <dermitrius> sniff so far i have tried a few minor reconfig of fstab for hdb and remounted, and it dstill mount defaults :(
[11:50] <sniff> dermitrius: man you're on unstable, good luck is the best i can say. But maybe u wanna report it as a bug?
[11:51] <Hentai^XP> new software? like?
[11:51] <sniff> like a windows system needs a decent firewall and virus scanner. But these both take up resources on the system
[11:51] <KaoticEvil> that reminds me.. i need to get access to my NTFS volume so i can copy my MP3's...
[11:51] <Hentai^XP> AV for?
[11:51] <KaoticEvil> sniff: router handles the firewall
[11:51] <sniff> if they configured windows xp better there'd be no need for a firewall
[11:51] <sniff> oh god
[11:52] <KaoticEvil> :)
[11:52] <sniff> IF you are using NAT
[11:52] <KaoticEvil> heh
[11:52] <dermitrius> sniff: not yet,  i'll keep trying. i had something like it on brezzy and managed to sort so i'll might yet have success on dapper 4 :)
[11:52] <sniff> what about all those millions of windows users on a direct cable connection?
[11:52] <KaoticEvil> as for AV...
[11:52] <KaoticEvil> sniff: they are idiots :D
[11:52] <sniff> that's not a good argument point
[11:52] <KaoticEvil> LOL
[11:52] <sniff> but they have limited comuter knowledge
[11:53] <sniff> and they're getting screwwed because of the gay windows config
[11:53] <KaoticEvil> with a litle knowledge about computers (which MOST windows users do not possess) you can secure windows
[11:53] <KaoticEvil> sniff: agreed
[11:53] <sniff> :)
[11:53] <dermitrius> why should anyone have to secure up a system ?, if it was secure in the first place it would all be good :)
[11:53] <KaoticEvil> i dont hold too much for windows-bashers tho...
[11:53] <sniff> apart from they don't even know about defragging a disk
[11:54] <KaoticEvil> ive used windows for many many years, and it *is* a good OS
[11:54] <KaoticEvil> yes, it has flaws and bugs. ALL programs do
[11:54] <dermitrius> ntfs and fat/fat32 should be so bad with fragmentation :)
[11:54] <dermitrius> not*
[11:54] <Hentai^XP> KaoticEvil I say depends on windows version
[11:54] <Hentai^XP> 2k and up yes
[11:54] <Hentai^XP> 9X = no
[11:55] <_mindspin> I stopped using windows siy years ago and I'm very happy with it
[11:55] <KaoticEvil> Hentai^XP: it depends on nothing
[11:55] <sniff> so many people i know, they use their windows system for like 2 years and never heard of defrag. I defrag it for them "usually an over-night operation" and they can;'t belive the difference. Not forgetting to mention something like deleting temp files and scandisk
[11:55] <KaoticEvil> ALL programs have flaws and bugs
[11:55] <KaoticEvil> windows is a program, just like anything else
[11:55] <KaoticEvil> as is linux
[11:55] <KaoticEvil> it has flaws and bugs as well
[11:55] <Hentai^XP> OS
[11:55] <sniff> i want to ask a legit question here
[11:56] <KaoticEvil> it is still a program
[11:56] <dermitrius> what about the pagefile situation a major cause for hard drive damage
[11:56] <sniff> do we have the stats on how many of the www servers are windows based and linux based?
[11:56] <sniff> i don't want to rely on statistics
[11:56] <KaoticEvil> lol
[11:56] <Hentai^XP> and hell no on 9X ever be any good, maybe good for just a gaming computer
[11:56] <_mindspin> www.netcraft.com
[11:56] <sniff> my fave windows was NT4
[11:56] <sniff> i think that was good
[11:57] <KaoticEvil> sniff: linux is also a better serving OS, as it *is* more stable and secure than windows
[11:57] <sniff> but then it got slow once you'd added SP6 to it
[11:57] <_mindspin> 2k was slightly better in my eyes
[11:57] <KaoticEvil> for your average John Q. Public, windows is better however
[11:57] <sniff> SP6!!
[11:57] <_mindspin> KaoticEvil: thats still true
[11:57] <sniff> yeah it is better cos they can go out and buy games and software in a shop
[11:58] <KaoticEvil> if you tell some one that they have to recompile their kernel just to get support for their hardware, most people are going to just go "huh? whats a kernel?"
[11:58] <_mindspin> not better "eysier" on first glance
[11:58] <sniff> but it don't make the system good
[11:58] <_mindspin> recompiling the kernel is not that necessary as ppl often tell it
[11:58] <KaoticEvil> sniff: all programs, whether they be an OS, a browser, email client, whatever have good points and bad points
[11:58] <sniff> so what's the topic of discussion here? Whether linux or windows is a better system, or which one is better for n00bs?
[11:59] <_mindspin> !topic
[11:59] <sniff> mm
[11:59] <KaoticEvil> in the end, it comes down to one thing
[11:59] <KaoticEvil> end-user choice.
[11:59] <Hentai^XP> their OS's, so be it!  I prefer windows
[11:59] <KaoticEvil> thats what its all about
[11:59] <Hentai^XP> XP and 2003 that is
[12:00] <KaoticEvil> i use windows for some things, but i prefer linux as my everyday desktop OS
[12:00] <KaoticEvil> ok, im going to bed
[12:00] <sniff> i just feel that at 200 for windows that by default allows all and sundry to shaft your system is a bit steept
[12:00] <sniff> steep
[12:00] <KaoticEvil> ive got to get some sleep...
[12:00] <KaoticEvil> nite all
[12:00] <sniff> 88
[12:00] <KaoticEvil> sniff: was a good discussion... hope we can continue it another time :P
[12:00] <KaoticEvil> :)
[12:01] <sniff> maybe should continue it in #windowsvlinux
[12:01] <_mindspin> yep
[12:01] <sniff> or what ever there
[12:01] <Hentai^XP> or ##windows
[12:01] <sniff>  is
[12:01] <sniff> !windowsvlinux
[12:01] <ubotu> sniff: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:01] <sniff> wish i knew too
[12:01] <sniff> well i think i do
[12:03] <lint> As a person trying to switch from windows to linux, the main problem is ease of installing new applications
[12:03] <griffin_> idd
[12:03] <Hentai^XP> sudo apt-get install nameofapp?
[12:03] <griffin_> I'd like to learn how to find & install KDE for Ubuntu :)
[12:03] <_mindspin> lint: not if you use ubuntu and keep with the packages
[12:03] <lint> mindspin: Well, to me GNOME is horrifyingly ugly
[12:04] <griffin_> :)
[12:04] <lint> So i'd go with Kubuntu
[12:04] <_mindspin> griffin_: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-Desktop
[12:04] <sniff> put it this way, if i sat down with my mum and discussed linux and windows with her in a non-biased manner, i think she would have to agree that windows doesn't have much going for it
[12:04] <lint> But I mean, for example, how do I turn off those annoying "text tooltips" on KDE
[12:04] <sniff> and anyway i'm not supporting linux"
[12:04] <lint> whenever I go onto an icon
[12:04] <_mindspin> lint: I agree, therefore I use kubuntu
[12:04] <sniff> i've been using linux properly for 1 week now
[12:04] <sniff> used windows since DOS 4
[12:04] <sniff> no windows then
[12:05] <lint> Yeah 3.11 for me
[12:05] <lint> haha
[12:05] <griffin_> _mindspin, I don't need to download the KDE files first? :p
[12:05] <lint> My friend told me to try out Debian first
[12:05] <sniff> so it's not like i just don't like windows, I have used it so much i have a reasonable argument
[12:05] <lint> But I've been looking @ SuSE and it looks like its calling out to me
[12:06] <rosemary> lint mandriva is pretty good too
[12:06] <sniff> i;m not just saying linux is better, i've got years of experience to back it up with
[12:06] <_mindspin> griffin_: no but you shiuld use synaptic
[12:06] <_mindspin> it has a gui that suites you better i guess
[12:06] <kosh> _mindspin: why not adept?
[12:06] <_mindspin> i think hes on ubuntu
[12:07] <_mindspin> because he was talking about the uglyness of Gnome
[12:07] <lint> rosemary: Mandriva was just too easy
[12:07] <lint> I want more power than Mandriva has to offer
[12:07] <griffin_> aha :) well I'm kinda used to  DOS in the early days but the Linux terminal commands don't mean much to me at the moment :)
[12:07] <_mindspin> so use any GUI based pakcage manager like adept, synaptic or kynaptic
[12:08] <griffin_> The standard gnome 'install applications' package? :)
[12:08] <_mindspin> griffin_: what are you on kubuntu or ubuntu?
[12:08] <griffin_> ubuntu
[12:08] <griffin_> trying to convert to kubuntu :)
[12:09] <rosemary> lint vectorlinux is fast
[12:09] <_mindspin> run sudo synaptic and have a look at what is installed and what you wnna install
[12:09] <lint> I just dont see all the huff and puff about ubuntu/kubuntu versus any other flavor
[12:10] <rosemary> lint it's marketing I guess :-).  Though so far kubuntu looks nice, just haven't the time to play at the moment
[12:10] <_mindspin> lint: there are some reasons for me, not to use suse but it depends on personal taste and habits
[12:10] <rosemary> definitely don't like all that brown in ubunutu
[12:10] <kavit> griffin_:  dos cli and linux cli are very different
[12:11] <_mindspin> rosemary: than switch to kubuntu its blue...
[12:11] <lint> blue is teh sexy :D
[12:11] <lint> I've always tried distros through VMWare, anyone recommend easy partitioning software?
[12:11] <kavit> it looks better without too much blue
[12:12] <rosemary> _mindspin: I have kubuntu - just need some time to see how it works
[12:20] <griffin_> why would the system say that when I try to install a game like 'freeciv' that it cannot be installed because it would need for other applications to be removed? :p
[12:20] <_mindspin> I never had problems installing freeciv
[12:20] <_mindspin> what is the exact message you get?
[12:21] <griffin_> Cannot install 'freeciv-client-gtk'
[12:21] <griffin_> Installing this application would mean that something else needs to be removed. Please use the "Advanced" mode to install 'freeciv-client-gtk'.
[12:21] <_mindspin> have you tried advanced mode?
[12:22] <griffin_> no I don't know what it means :)
[12:22] <griffin_> ah ok
[12:22] <griffin_> found the clue :p
[12:23] <griffin_> soit first lunch time :) cya
[12:23] <_mindspin> yep same here...
[12:43] <griffin_> so in the advanced synaptic, do I select all items under "KDE work environment" to install?
[12:45] <griffin_> planetpenguin-racer:
[12:45] <griffin_>  Vereisten: libsdl-mixer1.2 (>=1.2.6) but it is not installable
[12:45] <griffin_> hmz
[12:49] <griffin_> couldn't find the kubuntu-desktop package :s
[12:49] <visik7> if u have kde3.5 in your repo kde metapackage is broken
[12:50] <griffin_> I think I need to do some reading first :)
[12:52] <dermitrius> the kubuntu-desktop is in the "misc" section, for some reason it hasn't been moved to the base section yet
[12:53] <dermitrius> so when your in aptitude or synaptic go to the misc section and it should be there
[12:56] <griffin_> i can find 'kde work environment' in synaptic
[12:56] <Psi-Jack> Q:	How many lawyers does it take to change a light bulb?
[12:57] <griffin_> but it won't install kde packages declaring it has unsolvable dependencies
[12:58] <kosh> Psi-Jack: all of them ;)
[12:58] <dermitrius> humm what reason does it give, what packages are they
[12:58] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[12:58] <Psi-Jack> kosh: Actuall, you don't want the answer.
[12:59] <Psi-Jack> It was 2 huge "legal" paragraphs about the "duties" of the lightbulb's failure.
[12:59] <dermitrius> is it kubuntu-desktop that has unresovable dependices?
[01:00] <griffin_> amarok-engines:
[01:00] <griffin_>  Vereisten: amarok (=2:1.3.1-0ubuntu4) but it is not installable
[01:00] <griffin_>  Vereisten: amarok-arts  but it is not installable
[01:00] <griffin_>  Vereisten: amarok-gstreamer  but it is not installable
[01:00] <griffin_>  Vereisten: amarok-xine maar het wordt niet genstalleerd
[01:00] <Psi-Jack> griffin_: Please use pastebin next time, instead of flooding here!
[01:00] <Psi-Jack> Or even #flood
[01:02] <griffin_> pastebin?
[01:02] <Psi-Jack> Topic, read it.
[01:02] <Psi-Jack> Kinda find it ironic. Everytime I join a channel, I read the channel's topic.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> griffin_: pastebin sudo apt-get install amarok
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> Especially when I'm new to it. :p
[01:03] <Hobbsee> Psi-Jack: i dont now - but i know what it says!  particularly when i change it sometimes...
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> hehe
[01:04] <Psi-Jack> Finally got my Postfix+Cyrus-IMAPD+OpenLDAP up and runnin.
[01:05] <Psi-Jack> I am very upset with kmail.
[01:06] <Psi-Jack> It used to be such a nice wonderful program, but now, it's broken, mangled, barely even really functional.
[01:06] <cyorxamp> Hi, I have been using ubuntu for a number of weeks now and this is my first time installing Kubuntu
[01:06] <cyorxamp> since things seem to have moved around a bit
[01:07] <cyorxamp> I was wondering where synaptic was?
[01:07] <Psi-Jack> Kubuntu comes with a Qt package manager, Adept.
[01:07] <cyorxamp> got it
[01:07] <Psi-Jack> If you want that GTK+ piece of garbage, it's still installable.. :)
[01:08] <cyorxamp> o_O
[01:08] <cyorxamp> Well whether I intend on having it as my main browser or not - first things first - firefox
[01:09] <dermitrius> lol
[01:09] <ganymed> hallo
[01:09] <cyorxamp> ummm how do I enable multiverse and universe?
[01:09] <cyorxamp> can I still use easyubuntu ?
[01:09] <cyorxamp> is there a nicer 'Add Applications' thing too :P
[01:10] <griffin_> I seem to get lost in the 'Add Applications' :(
[01:11] <cyorxamp> anyone know answers to those questions ?
[01:11] <Psi-Jack> Why do you need easyubuntu?
[01:11] <Psi-Jack> The answer: You don't.
[01:11] <cyorxamp> I am starting to get that ' It's new... I don't like it - go back feeling ' kind of like when I would install linux after years of windows use
[01:13] <dipnlik_> cyorxamp: tell us what you don't like
[01:14] <dermitrius> cyorxamp, in synaptic go to settings>Repositories, then a new window will appear
[01:14] <dipnlik_> cyorxamp: maybe with little config you can make it better for your use
[01:14] <Kube> what should I download, Kubutnu or Ubuntu
[01:14] <dipnlik_> Kube: your decision only
[01:15] <Kube> what's the difference, im new her
[01:15] <Kube> e
[01:15] <dipnlik_> Kube: but even if you donwload one, you can install the other
[01:15] <Sythen> hello
[01:15] <Psi-Jack> Kube: Which should I kick you with? My right foot, or my left?
[01:15] <sniff> Kube:  are you used to using windows?
[01:15] <dipnlik_> LOL
[01:15] <Sythen> I am having a problem with Kubuntu
[01:15] <Hobbsee> Sythen: more explanation?
[01:15] <dermitrius> cyorxamp, which will show your current repositories, foind the dapper or breezy, usuall at top and edit the line with universe and multiverse
[01:15] <cyorxamp> dermitrius: no for kubuntu's Adept thing
[01:16] <dermitrius> cyorxamp, oh sry
[01:16] <Kube> sniff aha..
[01:16] <cyorxamp> this IS #kubuntu
[01:16] <sniff> Kube: kubuntu is more similar to winodws, prob easier if you're used to windows. But if you don't care then try ubuntu
[01:16] <Psi-Jack> Kube: Ubuntu comes pre-installed with Gnome. Kubuntu, KDE. That's the difference.
[01:16] <Sythen> When I try to install, it doesn't work correctly.
[01:16] <dermitrius> cyorxamp, /me switches program :)
[01:16] <Kube> I heard KDE is more use friendly
[01:16] <Kube> *user
[01:16] <sniff> Kube: i think so
[01:16] <cyorxamp> everything I got used to in ubuntu seems totally different in kbuntu
[01:16] <sniff> Kube: but plenty of people will say gnome is better
[01:17] <dermitrius> cyorxamp, ok, click adept>manage repositories
[01:17] <Kube> okay, thanks.
[01:17] <dermitrius> adept repositories management is better than synaptic :)
[01:18] <dermitrius> cyorxamp, find the breezy main restricted line then add universe and multiverse ( to edit a field click on it)
[01:19] <squid0> synaptic is great. you can see exactly what you need to see, it's comprehensive, it's great.
[01:19] <dermitrius> cyorxamp, you may have to click twice (once to select) :)
[01:20] <cyorxamp> you mean I have to go find the URL's ?
[01:20] <dermitrius> cyorxamp, they should already be there
[01:20] <cyorxamp> i dont get it sorry
[01:20] <cyorxamp> I see the line - its grey
[01:21] <dermitrius> cyorxamp, ok, that means not enabled :)
[01:21] <cyorxamp> oh I right click and enable
[01:21] <cyorxamp> lo
[01:21] <cyorxamp> *lol
[01:21] <dermitrius> cyorxamp, using breezy right?
[01:21] <cyorxamp> yes
[01:22] <dermitrius> so the urls there should be something like deb/deb-src  "http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu    breezy    main", etc
[01:23] <dermitrius> xx being the language :)
[01:23] <dermitrius> gb for example
[01:24] <cyorxamp> yeah they are enabled and done
[01:24] <cyorxamp> installing firefox :P
[01:25] <dermitrius> cool
[01:25] <cyorxamp> still don't understand why they can't just list v1.5 in there
[01:25] <Hobbsee> cyorxamp: because all of gnome depends on it working perfectly?
[01:27] <cyorxamp> how does it?!
[01:27] <cyorxamp> firefox isnt like konquerer
[01:27] <cyorxamp> the 'shell' doesnt rely on it
[01:28] <socketbind> even if there was an 1.5 version in breezy repo, I don't think it would break anything
[01:28] <dermitrius> 1.5 isint avainable for breezy via apt, for some reason only dapper can have 1.5 :(
[01:28] <dermitrius> yeah but its not even backported :(
[01:28] <visik7> get source from dapper and rebuild under breezy
[01:29] <socketbind> well, in every stable release there's a version freeze only security updates will get into the apt repo, right?
[01:30] <dermitrius> or dl 15 tar file and do it that way, the tar is a binary setup, no building required that how i did it when i was on breezy :)
[01:31] <dermitrius> 1.5*
[01:32] <dermitrius> is "mount" broken in dapper every mount i do other than hda seems to mount with defaults
[01:32] <dermitrius> even when not specified
[01:33] <sniff> did som1 just hack me?
[01:33] <sniff> i think i just got owned
[01:33] <socketbind> o_O
[01:33] <dermitrius> it might be even because of hal or kde storage media
[01:35] <seicherlbob> hi there! is there an easy way to keep a local folder syncronized to a samba-share (on my laptop to sync my home on the fileserver)?
[01:35] <sniff> use krusador?
[01:35] <sniff> or konserve?
[01:36] <seicherlbob> sniff: well, i'd like to have something working automagically
[01:36] <sniff> maybe konserve can?>
[01:36] <sniff> it's in the default kubuntu install
[01:36] <sniff> i want to do the same thing but with  USB drive
[01:36] <seicherlbob> i know. you mean maybe? or it can do that?
[01:36] <sniff> can't say for sure
[01:36] <sniff> it should do
[01:36] <seicherlbob> sniff: that should be quite the same
[01:37] <sniff> but it didn't work for me
[01:37] <seicherlbob> anybody else knows more in here?
[01:37] <seicherlbob> well, think i'll ask in #ubuntu aswell. i'll tell you, if i find something usefull.
[01:37] <cyorxamp> firefox doesnt seem to look right
[01:38] <dermitrius> maybe access via nfs instead or are we on about local copy that you modify while out and about?
[01:39] <seicherlbob> dermitrius: I'd like to sync it when i come home, work on my desktop and sync before i leave, work on my laptop, etc...
[01:39] <dermitrius> cyorxamp perhaps theme version conflict due to using a 1.5 theme on older 1.07
[01:39] <seicherlbob> it also for Kontact and stuff like that.
[01:40] <Sythen> Hey
[01:40] <sniff> !backup
[01:40] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, sniff
[01:40] <sniff> no it's not
[01:40] <sniff> !konserve
[01:40] <ubotu> sniff: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:40] <dermitrius> seicherrbob i see just trying to grasp the question :)
[01:40] <cyorxamp> dermitrius: bleh!!!?? its just installed
[01:40] <sniff> dude's letting me down :(
[01:41] <seicherlbob> dermitrius: no prob. any ideas?
[01:41] <_ganymed> ok, i have tried it everywhere, so i'll ask here. i wanna open a very simple index.php with opera, after some seconds it automatically tries to connect to http:/// - it does not happen with other (much more complicated) php scripts. any ideas?
[01:41] <_ganymed> yes, i am using kubuntu
[01:41] <cyorxamp> kde looks very... very.... errr full of itself
[01:41] <dermitrius> cyorxamp you got 1.5 in now and you were on 1.5 before right?
[01:41] <cyorxamp> no i've done nothing with 1.5
[01:41] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: your server or anotherones?
[01:42] <cyorxamp> jeeez KDE looks more simplified than Gnome :(
[01:42] <_ganymed> well, for now it is localhost/directory. in there is the index.php. with another project it works flawlessly
[01:42] <dermitrius> seicherlbob perhaps there is a way to sync on connect/disconnect to the share, but that is beyond me :(
[01:42] <sniff> what about usb drives?
[01:43] <seicherlbob> dermitrius: thanks anyway. think so the same. there must be a way ;)
[01:43] <danimo_> cyorxamp: but you have the option to change it back
[01:43] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: apache2?
[01:43] <_ganymed> cyorxamp: have you ever tried a native debian install with kde?
[01:43] <_ganymed> seicherlbob: yes
[01:43] <cyorxamp> I was told that KDE unlike Gnome didn't believe i making the 'easy for newbies' style interfaces
[01:43] <_ganymed> with php, mysql
[01:43] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: look at sites-enabled. maybe there is a redirect
[01:43] <cyorxamp> _ganymed: trying one right now actually
[01:43] <cyorxamp> why?
[01:44] <_ganymed> cyorxamp: well, you will hate it. it is a mess. that's the bad thing. that's why i like kubuntu, it has for every purpose only ONE application
[01:44] <cyorxamp> SO far....... Na
[01:44] <dermitrius> seicherlbob another idea is perhaps to read the samba howto? this is my last suggestion :p
[01:45] <_ganymed> seicherlbob: can you specify that?
[01:45] <cyorxamp> _ganymed: well I haven't got to the stage where it asks me if I wanna use one or the other
[01:45] <seicherlbob> dermitrius: thanks. maybe i should check it. ;)
[01:45] <cyorxamp> So I need to decide
[01:45] <cyorxamp> KDE doesnt look up to much tbh
[01:45] <kosh> huh?
[01:45] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: goto /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ and have a look at 000-defaults or s.t. like that
[01:46] <cyorxamp> looks like windows gone horribly wrong
[01:46] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: there you'll find a Redirect-match. look if this may cause the prob
[01:47] <_ganymed> i am on it
[01:48] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: is it only opera or other browsers aswell causing this problem
[01:48] <_ganymed> cyorxamp: what really gets on my nerves is that kde is so slow, linux in general... i love it, but...
[01:48] <kosh> cyorxamp: are you trolling or something? default kde looks nothing like windows
[01:48] <cyorxamp> HANG on!!! this is MADNESS!
[01:48] <cyorxamp> I went to KDE as I -thought- that QT was quicker over GTK
[01:48] <cyorxamp> thus in my best interest to explore KDE apps
[01:49] <cyorxamp> but now KDE is slow ?
[01:49] <kosh> I have not had it be slow
[01:49] <sniff> kde 3.5.1 is much quicker, are you  using that?
[01:49] <_ganymed> seicherlbob: i think, only opera. but with another index.php it works... i'll check that right away
[01:49] <cyorxamp> i'm using whatever came with breezy
[01:49] <kosh> http://aesaeion.com/mydesk  that is what my desk looks like
[01:50] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: ok. good luck ;) setting up a webserver can really suck somethimes
[01:50] <cyorxamp> thats IT!!!! KDevelop keeps crashing
[01:50] <cyorxamp> KDE sucks balls by the looks of it
[01:50] <cyorxamp> All gloss - no stability
[01:50] <_ganymed> seicherlbob: it's also in firefox... so it's most probably a server issue
[01:51] <kosh> cyorxamp: is there a point to your trolling?
[01:51] <socketbind> cyorxamp: please calm down, you're not forced to use it
[01:51] <cyorxamp> Yeah I am hoping someone can correct me
[01:51] <kosh> cyorxamp: I have been using kdevelop for years without issues
[01:51] <cyorxamp> Show me I am wrong
[01:51] <cyorxamp> Show me the reason I installed this in the first place
[01:51] <_ganymed> cyorxamp: there are many great things about kde, and a few that are bad. try kde 3.5
[01:51] <cyorxamp> I am trying whatever it is that comes with Breezy
[01:52] <kosh> cyorxamp: you are making very general statements, there i no way people can say anything about it
[01:52] <cyorxamp> Look - I just got KDevelop from Adept - I run it.... it crashes
[01:52] <kosh> cyorxamp: however honestly I want to you go back to windows
[01:52] <_ganymed> not kde 3.5
[01:52] <kosh> you deserve it
[01:52] <_ganymed> ohoh
[01:52] <kosh> the whole trolling thing I just don't care about
[01:53] <kosh> saying that kde looks like windows is a troll statement from someplace like slashdot, they don't even look similar
[01:53] <socketbind> get a mac :D
[01:53] <socketbind> as my friend would say
[01:53] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: ok. good luck ;) setting up a webserver can really suck somethimes
[01:53] <seicherlbob> ups
[01:53] <cyorxamp> kosh - there don't look similar
[01:53] <cyorxamp> they act similar
[01:53] <kosh> how do they act similar?
[01:53] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: hmm... can you access subdirectories?
[01:54] <cyorxamp> The program that tries to do too much - konquerer
[01:54] <cyorxamp> All apps named with a freaking K - like how windows has apps starting Win
[01:54] <_ganymed> seicherlbob: the only redirect i have is this: RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ --but it is commented out :(
[01:54] <kosh> cyorxamp: konqueror only does one thing, it is a kpart embedder, it does not render html, it does not do much of anything else
[01:54] <cyorxamp> The 'overly' simplified main menu
[01:54] <cyorxamp> I feel like I am using Xandros
[01:54] <_ganymed> seicherlbob: yes, i can. i have only symlinks in /var/www that go to the project sites in my home dir
[01:55] <kosh> cyorxamp: any url you hand to it get handed to the vfs layer, based on the content returned it will hand it to the appropriate program
[01:55] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: did a restart of apache?
[01:55] <seicherlbob> anybody knows the package synctree?
[01:55] <kosh> cyorxamp: most gnome apps start with a g, the win apps start with a win, the kde apps start with a k, the apple apps start with an i etc
[01:56] <kosh> cyorxamp: the simplified main menu is a kubuntu thing not a kde thing
[01:56] <_ganymed> cyorxamp: if you go on this way, sb will kick you. and this won't be of much help to you either...
[01:56] <kosh> cyorxamp: the kubuntu devs stripped a lot of stuff from the default
[01:57] <_ganymed> seicherlbob: restart? i just started my notebook... it starts at boot time. i haven't changed the config for months. as i said, under another dir the index.php works flawlessly, no redirects, nothing...
[01:57] <_ganymed> NOT the same index.php
[01:58] <kosh> cyorxamp: commenting about konqueror being this all in one app without understand how it is built is just a stupid thing to say, just like those on slashdot that comment about how x is slow because of network transparency
[01:59] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: then i'm pretty sure its something with the document-root config. maybe #apache is a better place for you.
[01:59] <_ganymed> seicherlbob: this is, of course, a good idea :)
[01:59] <_ganymed> anyway, do you have sth particular in mind?
[02:00] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: me? hmm... sorry, i'm so happy that mine is working *g* maybe just try this: .... hold on
[02:00] <_ganymed> kosh: however, i don't understand one thing about kubuntu: it is supposed to be a desktop distri, right? why is the kernel (scheduler, if i am right) optimized for servers?
[02:01] <kosh> _ganymed: optimized for servers? no idea what you are talking about
[02:01] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: RedirectMatch ^/$ /index.php
[02:01] <socketbind> hmm btw does anybody know which is the default i/o scheduler?
[02:02] <socketbind> there was some stuff deep in procfs
[02:02] <socketbind> but can't remember it
[02:02] <cyorxamp> Oh dear lord this interface sucks
[02:03] <cyorxamp> I cant even drag a window by its title bar without trying 5 times!
[02:03] <_ganymed> kosh: well, i had to recompile the kernel with preemption support (for low latency sytems). Since then i have been able to use impress properly, for example. before it had been so slow that it was unusable
[02:03] <_ganymed> seicherlbob: this is a worka round, right?
[02:04] <_ganymed> seicherlbob: is there a space between $ and the next /
[02:04] <_ganymed> ?
[02:04] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: no, its my config ;)
[02:05] <_ganymed> thx
[02:05] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: just copy-paste it. i did so myself
[02:05] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: no there is not
[02:06] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: well, maybe my config is a workaround but you shouldn't call it that way cause that would make me angry ;)
[02:06] <_ganymed>  sorry... just to be technically correct :)
[02:07] <seicherlbob> just kidding. no prob mate
[02:07] <cyorxamp> Oh dear lord this interface sucks
[02:07] <cyorxamp> I cant even drag a window by its title bar without trying 5 times!
[02:07] <_ganymed> it doesn't worl. i'll try with the space
[02:08] <rysiek> hi there
[02:08] <rysiek> anyone could give me a hand with som perms? :)
[02:08] <rysiek> here's the deal
[02:09] <rysiek> I've got user A, and a file ~A/script.sh
[02:09] <poningru> cyorxamp: alt drag
[02:09] <rysiek> I want to have user B able to execute file ~A/script.sh
[02:09] <_mindspin> cyorxamp: hold the left button anfd it will work
[02:09] <rysiek> AS the user A
[02:09] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: no. no space. i got none either.... sorry, maybe you should go and look in #apache
[02:10] <poningru> rysiek: just add user b to user a's group and allow group execution
[02:10] <poningru> oh
[02:10] <rysiek> _ganymed: what's the problem?
[02:10] <poningru> wow
[02:10] <poningru> rysiek: yeah I dont know how to do that
[02:10] <_ganymed> seicherlbob: ok, now it want to go to localhost/index.php, which doesn't exist, and the problem still occurs... i hate it
[02:10] <_ganymed> one mom
[02:11] <_ganymed> ok, wait. i have to dick in my log
[02:11] <_ganymed> ok, i have tried it everywhere, so i'll ask here. i wanna open a very simple index.php with opera, after some seconds it automatically tries to connect to http:/// - it does not happen with other (much more complicated) php scripts. any ideas?
[02:11] <rysiek> poningru: this script modifies some user A's files, so it needs to be run suid A
[02:12] <poningru> rysiek: sorry dude I dont know how to do that
[02:12] <rysiek> _ganymed: are you accessing this file as file://(...) or as http://localhost/(...)?
[02:12] <_ganymed> seicherlbob: this is the sort of problem you spend a whole week with and in the it is a simple, small, shi*** detail...
[02:12] <rysiek> poningru: k' I'll survive ;) thx
[02:12] <_ganymed> localhost
[02:13] <_ganymed> this brings me to /var/www, where there are symlinks to my project files, which reside in my home dir
[02:13] <rysiek> I understand you have apache setup and running (obviously) and php on it (also obvioulsy)
[02:14] <_ganymed> lamp"2"... the full programme
[02:14] <rysiek> so when you get the http://localhost/[address] /index.php -> you get redirected, right?
[02:14] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: sorry, i think i cant help you anymore...
[02:14] <_ganymed> yes.
[02:14] <rysiek> are you sure it's not a matter of some headers being sent by iondex.php?
[02:15] <_ganymed> seicherlbob: thx very much for spending your time on it. i appreciate that very much...
[02:15] <rysiek> *index.php
[02:15] <socketbind> bye have a nice time
[02:15] <_ganymed> it waits a second and then want to connect to http:///
[02:15] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: no prob. i'm just waiting for my upload to finish. but it seems they carry the bits by hand.
[02:16] <rysiek> _ganymed: can you open this file in a text editor?
[02:16] <_ganymed> seicherlbob: i am using a modem... nobody here is worth of in connection matters than me...
[02:16] <_ganymed> yes, i have written it
[02:16] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: poor you.
[02:16] <_ganymed> another index.php works without this sh**... only this one
[02:17] <rysiek> they are both the same?
[02:17] <seicherlbob> _ganymed: you mean, another /var/www/index.php ???
[02:18] <_ganymed> no. it is organized this way: /var/www only has symlinks to some dirs in my home dir...
[02:18] <rysiek> o...k
[02:18] <_ganymed> so there is localhost/dir1/index.php --> works
[02:18] <_ganymed> so there is localhost/dir2/index.php --> displays the file correctly, but then tries to reconnect
[02:19] <seicherlbob> reconnect?
[02:19] <rysiek> refresh with a different address
[02:19] <kosh> _ganymed: hmm I have not seen that problem with a preemption patch, what cpu do you have?
[02:19] <rysiek> maybe you have a <meta refresh> tag inside?
[02:20] <_ganymed> yes, i enter http://localhost (actually, only localhost). then it tries to connect to http:///, whcih obviously is nothing else than http://
[02:20] <kosh> so is someone going to kick cyorxamp  as a troll, not being able to drag a titlebar I have not heard of it being a bug in any verison of kde and I have been using it since before 1.0
[02:20] <_mindspin> oh yes please
[02:20] <_mindspin> !op
[02:20] <ubotu> _mindspin: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:21] <_ganymed> kosh: i have had this problem without the preemption patch. impress was, in fact, not usable. now it works, but still slower than ppt. i have a pentium M, my kernel is optimitzed
[02:21] <_ganymed> what is that?
[02:21] <kosh> _ganymed: just wondering since I have not seen that before and preemption patch just lowers latency, it gets rid of stuff like audio stuttering when the system is under load
[02:22] <kosh> _ganymed: it should not effect impress much if at all
[02:22] <seicherlbob> ok, guys. i gotta work again. good luck _ganymed and have a nice day!
[02:23] <_ganymed> kosh: this is exactly what i did NOT get rid of. sound is a real nightmare still. i am faster in clicking slowly than any sound being played. but it helped for impress.
[02:23] <_ganymed> seicherlbob: so do you. ciao
[02:23] <_ganymed> kosh: i am not kidding, really
[02:23] <kosh> _ganymed: okay just a sec
[02:24] <rysiek> _ganymed: if it's not due to some header() call inside your php or a <meta ...> refresh in it, I haven't got a clue
[02:24] <_ganymed> i'll check the code, one mom
[02:24] <rysiek> maybe try replacing your index.php with a file containing ONLY: <?php phpinfo() ?>
[02:25] <rysiek> and see what happens
[02:25] <rysiek> if it still redirects, it's an apache issue, most probably, if not - something in your code
[02:25] <kosh> _ganymed: can you run artscontrol and then  view -> arts status
[02:25] <kosh> _ganymed: tell me what it says
[02:26] <_ganymed> rysiek: ok, there are meta tags. the standard bluefish stuff.... but still it connects... i think this is an opera issue now
[02:26] <_ganymed> kosh: one mom
[02:26] <danimo_> did anyone try running xgl on an intel 915 chip?
[02:27] <_ganymed> rysiek: you are my private hero of the day. thanks very much
[02:27] <rysiek> no prob :)
[02:28] <rysiek> just tell me how to get me script perms problem go away, and we're done :] 
[02:28] <_ganymed> kosh: ok, i am not a newb, but where exactly do you mean
[02:28] <kosh> _ganymed: how about hitting alt-f2 and typing artscontrol
[02:28] <_ganymed> kosh: by the way, it also happens it amarok... songs just drop out for secoond
[02:28] <_ganymed> well, goog idea
[02:29] <kosh> _ganymed: and then when it opens do view -> arts status
[02:29] <_ganymed> wow, i had never seen this.
[02:29] <_ganymed> arts is not being executed with real time priority
[02:30] <kosh> okay can you open a konsole window then and type chmod 4755 /usr/bin/artswrapper
[02:30] <kosh> and then killall artsd
[02:30] <_mindspin> rsyk whats the prob? make the script executeable for group, give ownership to group ab, stuff a and b in group ab and it should work
[02:30] <kosh> and then try running a sound app again
[02:31] <_ganymed> kosh: you are not installing a back door on my pc, are you? :)
[02:32] <kosh> _ganymed: umm no I am making it so that arts can run with realtime priority, it will get rid of sound dropouts
[02:33] <_ganymed> kosh: well, i know. just a (non-funny) joke
[02:33] <_ganymed> kosh: great, and now i don't know what to click on :)
[02:34] <kosh> _ganymed: how about system settings -> sound and multimedia -> and then test sound
[02:34] <kosh> _ganymed: and see how that works
[02:34] <_ganymed> kosh: there i cannot recognize a change
[02:35] <kosh> _ganymed: is sound still coming out?
[02:35] <_ganymed> yes. but i restarted artsd and now it runs with realtime priority
[02:35] <kosh> okay
[02:35] <kosh> can you click on the hardware tab and tell me what it says for select the audio device?
[02:36] <_ganymed> autodetect
[02:37] <kosh> can you change it to Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, apply it and then click test sound again?
[02:37] <_ganymed> by the way, i think i cannot use full duplex... though it should work
[02:37] <_ganymed> the same
[02:38] <_ganymed> i don't know, could it is fixed... it's a melody, not sth. like a warning
[02:42] <_ganymed> kosh: when i wanna text the system bell, nothing come out
[02:42] <kosh> _ganymed: is it still playing sound? if you are not interested in recording you can turn off full duplex but it won't matter
[02:42] <kosh> _ganymed: I mean the test sound button
[02:43] <kosh> on the system settings -> sound and multimedia -> general tab bottom of the page
[02:43] <_ganymed> test sound in "sound-system" works. test the system bell in "signal sound" does not
[02:43] <_ganymed> yes, this works
[02:43] <kosh> my system bell does not work either
[02:43] <kosh> of course I know why it does not work :)
[02:44] <_ganymed> you do?
[02:44] <kosh> yeah in my case I never wired the pc speaker up :)
[02:44] <_ganymed> good point
[02:44] <_ganymed> any idea how i can provoke a system warning sound?
[02:45] <kosh> mostly I just wanted to see if this fixed your audio problem
[02:45] <kosh> auto detect will sometimes run the oss emulation layer when talking to alsa since it gets confused
[02:45] <rysiek> ok, gtg guys. cu all
[02:46] <_ganymed> kosh: but now i am CONFUSED. we both don't know if it has fixed my problem, do we?
[02:47] <_ganymed> ok, i have to go. my better half is starving so i have to prepare sth. to eat. but thanks a lot... i'll pass by again
[02:48] <ejofee> i added "GtkTreeViewColumn::set_min_width = 5" to a style in "~/.gtkrc-2.0". any idea why it wouldn't apply? (all other variables from the same style do apply)
[02:49] <_ganymed> cu
[03:11] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i enable the 3d software rendering? i have the driver called: xserver-xorg-via my chip model km800 is in it's description. I'm on laptop, the glxgears i very slow, so i think the 3drendering isn'T enabled.
[03:17] <gelai> a
[03:21] <arafat> !realaudio
[03:21] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, arafat
[03:22] <_mindspin> !plf
[03:22] <ubotu> plf is, like, the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf, or for i386 users only
[03:22] <_mindspin> there are sources for realplayer to be found
[03:23] <arafat> !kmplayer
[03:23] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, arafat
[03:28] <dipnlik_> is it possible to configure konqi to hide my ip? i know a site that is blocking IPs from my country...
[03:30] <feistel> hi
[03:30] <feistel> how I can exec again de "Configuring Ubuntu..."
[03:30] <feistel> ?
[03:30] <tafsen> When I play music from amaroK, I can't get sound from VLC. How can I fix this?
[03:31] <_mindspin> dipnik no, you'll have to try it over anonymous proxy or something similiar
[03:36] <httpdss> tafsen: which engine are you using for amarok and VLC??
[03:38] <tafsen> httpdss: In amaroK i use gstreamer, in VLC it stands on default
[03:39] <httpdss> try changing the gst to xine ... and check that vlc is using arts
[03:40] <tafsen> httpdss: change amarok to use xine?
[03:41] <httpdss> tafsen: i think the prob you r having is that both are tring to use alsasink ...
[03:41] <httpdss> tafsen: yes ..
[03:41] <httpdss> tafsen: and leave it on autodetect
[03:42] <tafsen> httpdss: I know amaroK is using alsaink
[03:42] <tafsen> httpdss: I need to install xine then?  Because gst is the only choise in amaroK
[03:44] <httpdss> tafsen: if you want to still use gst .. change it to arts ... but it think xine works better than gst .. (personal opinion)
[03:44] <httpdss> tafsen: for xine engine you need to get amarok-xine
[03:44] <tafsen> httpdss: I don't want to use gst, I have jsut have problems with it
[03:45] <tafsen> httpdss: oki. Thx. But how do I get xine to VLC?
[03:45] <httpdss> sudo apt-get install amarok-xine ... then
[03:46] <gelai> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[03:46] <httpdss> you just need to get the audio server to artsd ..
[03:46] <gelai> aaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[03:46] <jpatrick> gelai: please stop that
[03:46] <tafsen> the audio server?
[03:46] <httpdss> got stuck on the "a" :P
[03:47] <httpdss> tafsen: the engine its using to get the sound out
[03:48] <tafsen> httpdss: OMG!!! xine made amaroK so incredible faster!!
[03:48] <tafsen> httpdss: thx dude :D
[03:48] <httpdss> if you get an app using alsa, then the next app that wants to use it will get a busy msg ..
[03:48] <tafsen> death over gst :p
[03:49] <tafsen> httpdss: is it in output modules in VLC i need to do the change?
[03:49] <httpdss> tafsen: welcome .. i got xine engine working "by error" and realized it was MUUUCH better !
[03:50] <tafsen> httpdss: I can choose between default, file audio output, Dummy audio output function and Linux OSS audio output
[03:50] <httpdss> tafsen: well, xine will be using artsd and vcl alsa .. so i think you you wont have problem with them
[03:51] <httpdss> leave it on default then ..
[03:51] <httpdss> tafsen: and give it a try :P
[03:52] <httpdss> if you want vlc to use artsd you need the vlc-plugin-arts pkg
[03:52] <tafsen> ok I will try that
[03:53] <tafsen> I got sound in VLC now
[03:53] <tafsen> but when I tried to play music from amaroK after playing a video in VLC amaroK went bananas :p
[03:54] <httpdss> tafsen: hahaha, get the vlc-plugin-arts ...
[03:56] <tafsen> httpdss: Well.. It didn't go bananas now, but it didn't work either =\
[03:57] <httpdss> did you change the audio server on vlc
[03:57] <tafsen> yes
[03:58] <httpdss> :S
[03:58] <httpdss> check that both r using artsd
[03:59] <tafsen> amarok was on autodetect
[03:59] <tafsen> :D
[03:59] <tafsen> now it works :)
[04:00] <httpdss> :D !!
[04:01] <tafsen> Why can't Kubuntu come with a decent audio configuration? 
[04:03] <tafsen> btw, you wouldn't know how to make the menus in VLC look better? Some of the menus are hard to read because the fonts bugs.  Does it have something to do with GTK themes? Firefox look good though
[04:04] <NRG88> hi, how can i create a tar archive from the terminal?
[04:04] <_mindspin> tar filename
[04:05] <_mindspin> try tar --h
[04:05] <_mindspin> and you see what options you have with tar
[04:05] <NRG88> ok, thanks
[04:05] <_mindspin> yw
[04:07] <trappist> NRG88: tar jcf filename.tar.bz2 directorytotar for bzip2, tar zcf filename.tar.gz directorytotar for gzip
[04:08] <trappist> normally I'm happy to leave you with the docs, but the tar man page isn't that easy to grok
[04:08] <NRG88> hm, i already typed tar -c filename :)
[04:08] <_mindspin> watch the size
[04:09] <NRG88> around 640 mb
[04:09] <_mindspin> if you wanna s,aller filesizes, you have to go through the other options
[04:09] <_mindspin> smaller
[04:09] <NRG88> it's ok for me, only backing up my home folder
[04:11] <NRG88> is there a way i can burn an ISO to a blank cd with k3b? :D
[04:11] <_mindspin> sure
[04:11] <Grim76_Work> NRG88: Check the tools menu in K3b
[04:11] <_mindspin> isnt it self explanatory
[04:12] <_mindspin> I have not used k3b since half a year
[04:12] <NRG88> oh :D sorry, didn't use k3b to much
[04:12] <NRG88> _mindspin, what do you use?
[04:12] <_mindspin> I#m not burning cds
[04:13] <_mindspin> ok sometimes i burn some audio cds but from a win machine
[04:13] <_mindspin> my cd burner is in my server ;-)
[04:16] <Cainus> hey...anyone know why "system settings->sharing" is completely greyed-out, even after entering my password?
[04:16] <trappist> I mostly burn from the command line, like cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdc -speed=24 -dao filename.iso
[04:16] <NRG88> this archiving is taking for ever... :[
[04:16] <NRG88> can i stop it?
[04:16] <trappist> NRG88: ctrl-c
[04:16] <NRG88> tried already
[04:16] <NRG88> killall?
[04:16] <trappist> killall tar
[04:17] <NRG88> hm, i don't understand, it doesn't even take up memory :?
[04:19] <PaloDeQueso> I installed kubuntu dapper flight 4 and then immediately followed the instructions to install xgl. But now x won't start?
[04:19] <PaloDeQueso> not even normal x
[04:19] <NRG88> is xgl that fancy 3d desktop?
[04:20] <PaloDeQueso> yea
[04:20] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody help me, in kcontrol peripherials and obex devices
[04:20] <MetaMorfoziS> what is that?
[04:20] <PaloDeQueso> It's looking for fonts that aren't there. ???
[04:20] <MetaMorfoziS> i have a mobile phone conencted, it uses obex to transfer fiels
[04:21] <MetaMorfoziS> so how can iuse it with this app?
[04:32] <ganymed> hallo
[04:33] <NRG88> trappist, then how should i do? :) for example if i want to archive nrg88 folder,  tar backup.tar.gz nrg88 ?
[04:34] <trappist> NRG88: tar jcf nrg88.tar.bz2 nrg88
[04:34] <trappist> is how I'd do it
[04:34] <trappist> from /home
[04:42] <NRG88> how can i disconnect a host manually?
[04:42] <NRG88> from terminal?
[04:43] <NRG88> i have it's ip number
[04:43] <NRG88> and the ports it is using
[04:44] <NRG88> help
[04:45] <_mindspin> ip down ?
[04:46] <_mindspin> you wanna restrict access from that host?
[04:46] <NRG88> ip down 123.123.123.123 for example?
[04:46] <NRG88> just to shut down the current connection
[04:46] <_mindspin> which protocol?
[04:47] <NRG88> don't know it doesn't say anything in firestarter about the protocol it is using
[04:47] <squidy> what port
[04:48] <NRG88> 34343
[04:48] <NRG88> and 37867
[04:48] <_mindspin> you enabled connections from outside?
[04:48] <NRG88> and it's still on port 80 to
[04:48] <NRG88> >:\
[04:48] <NRG88> what kind of connections? i didn't open those ports
[04:48] <squidy> your browsing the web?
[04:49] <_mindspin> "normally" all connects from outside are blocked
[04:49] <NRG88> it's one, not in netstat anymore either :)
[04:50] <NRG88> i portscanned that ip
[04:50] <NRG88> and found out, that it was my professor
[04:50] <NRG88> now he thinks he can break in :D
[04:51] <_mindspin> he's within your internal network?
[04:53] <GTX> I cannot play any games without currupted sound and its really annoying I dont know whats up with it, should I buy a new sound card or?
[04:58] <tafsen> Where can I change shortcuts for KDE?
[04:59] <_mindspin> in kmenu,  or in properties view of the shortcut
[05:00] <_mindspin> or if you mean tabs in kcontrol
[05:02] <ganymed> ciao
[05:03] <gaylord> does anybody hqve a good hoz for dapper flight 4 Kubuntu
[05:03] <gaylord> does anybody have a good howto for dapper flight 4 Kubuntu
[05:04] <jpatrick> upgrading to?
[05:04] <gaylord> to set up xgl
[05:04] <gaylord> sorry
[05:04] <jpatrick> ~xgl
[05:04] <jpatrick> !xgl
[05:04] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #xgl-ubuntu for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[05:04] <jpatrick> there ya go^
[05:05] <gaylord> thx
[05:07] <satempler> Riddell: you here
[05:07] <satempler> I have a question
[05:08] <jpatrick> which is?
[05:08] <satempler> why is it that I need kdemultimedia package to show video thumbnails
[05:08] <tafsen> _mindspin: Where can I set a shortcut for showing the desktop forinstance?
[05:08] <satempler> before I installed it I wouldn't get the previews
[05:09] <Riddell> satempler: kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins
[05:09] <_b> if u didnt have any codec before it cant understand the movie formats
[05:09] <satempler> after I installed it I got the video thumbnail previews like i do in
[05:09] <satempler> ubuntu or GNOME
[05:10] <satempler> is the kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins install by default
[05:17] <gaylord> !xgl
[05:17] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #xgl-ubuntu for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[05:17] <satempler> kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins won't do it alone kdemultimedia has to be installed
[05:18] <satempler> same with kdegraphics
[05:19] <tafsen> Where can I set the shortcut for showing the desktop in KDE?
[05:21] <satempler> tafsen: there is a kikker applet for that
[05:22] <douglas> So let's say I installed freshly dapper onto my home box, and it worked fine. Then I clicked the cool there are updates for your system button, instead of doing apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade -y and it did a good job.
[05:23] <douglas> I then proceeded to the reason I installed gapper, xgl
[05:23] <douglas> All I did was install xgl and my nvidia drivers, and restart x. Seeing that things didn't work, I tried to just start normal X and I get a bunch of font errors?
[05:24] <douglas> I now realize that this has nothing to do with Xgl but simply the updates broke my system
[05:24] <satempler> douglas: I installed dapper and xgl with windowmgr for it and worked to a point
[05:25] <satempler> douglas: but that was Ubuntu
[05:26] <satempler> is there going to be a KDE 3.5 release to use the new Xgl instead of xcompmgr
[05:26] <apokryphos> Riddell: any ideas on when the liveCD installer is going to be available for Kubu? Going to do a fresh dapper install on a computer we have here soon
[05:26] <apokryphos> satempler: no
[05:26] <apokryphos> 3.5 is already released
[05:27] <satempler> apokryphos: I was thinking a KDE 3.5.3 or 4
[05:27] <satempler> release to support the new features
[05:27] <apokryphos> satempler: well, 3.5.3 would be a bugfix release -- not really new feature. And KDE 4 wouldn't be a 3.5 release ;-)
[05:28] <douglas> satempler: Are you running kubuntu dapper?
[05:28] <apokryphos> at the moment XGL best works with Compiz Window Manager anyhow
[05:28] <satempler> no i was say in 3.5.3 or 3.5.4
[05:28] <Riddell> apokryphos: still working on it I'm afraid
[05:28] <satempler> so I can use the Compiz winmgr in place of kwin
[05:28] <apokryphos> satempler: 3.5.x is always a bugfix release
[05:28] <douglas> satempler: Because I think it wsa just the dapper upgrades that broke everything
[05:28] <apokryphos> satempler: you can anyway
[05:28] <Riddell> gaylord: is your nick deliberatly inflamatory?
[05:29] <douglas> I think what I'll do is just attempt to get it working and then reinstall, and then run updates only, and try restarting :)
[05:29] <tafsen> satempler: kick applet?
[05:29] <apokryphos> Riddell: is it planned to be in for the next flight?
[05:29] <Riddell> apokryphos: it's planned for whenever I get it done
[05:29] <apokryphos> alrighty
[05:29] <apokryphos> looking forward to it 8)
[05:30] <satempler> tafsen: yes right click on the pannel in an empty spot and click on add applet
[05:31] <tafsen> satempler: But I want a shortcut key for that.  the windows button + d
[05:32] <Snake__> Hey guys uhhh how do I umount this
[05:32] <mluser-home> I'm using Adept, but everytime I select a package and click on upgrade.. I get a message that says "BREAK (upgrade).. I'm trying to upgrade kde 3.4.3 to 3.5.1
[05:32] <Snake__> Never mind :)
[05:33] <mluser-home> and I'm new to debian based distros :(
[05:34] <acidic32>  how comes i get error about encrypted DVD's?
[05:35] <tafsen> How do I check what version of KDE I have?
[05:35] <apokryphos> tafsen: kde-config --version
[05:35] <acidic32> how do i upgrade to kde 3.5?
[05:36] <Snake__> !kde3.5
[05:36] <ubotu> (you might want !kde3.5.1) To upgrade to KDE3.5, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[05:37] <acidic32> mm
[05:38] <tafsen> Are there big difrence from KDE 3.4.3 to KDE 3.5.1 ?
[05:38] <jpatrick> yes.....
[05:38] <Snake__> No we release new versions for the fun of it :)
[05:39] <mluser-home> When doing the update from 3.4.3 to 3.5.1, I get a message from apt-get that says "The following packages have been kept back", what does that mean.. and how do I get around it?
[05:39] <acidic32> adept wont load
[05:40] <jpatrick> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:40] <tafsen> Snake__: :p
[05:41] <tafsen> Snake__: What do you notice most as a regular desktop user?
[05:41] <embosfer> ein?
[05:41] <_mindspin> more stability
[05:41] <embosfer> hello?
[05:42] <Snake__> tafsen: stabilty, and youll notices small changes here and there
[05:42] <embosfer> there is somebody?
[05:42] <Snake__> nothing to big tho, but it all does look much better :)
[05:42] <acidic32> adept crashed when it was installing software
[05:42] <acidic32> what do i do to make it carry on from where it crashed?
[05:42] <Snake__> Argghhh #samba is worthless
[05:42] <_mindspin> and works better therfore upgrading is agood idea
[05:43] <_mindspin> what are you looking for Snake__ ?
[05:43] <arrinmurr> mluser-home: you should have upgraded everything from the ubuntu repositories first, and only after that do the upgrade to kde 3.5.1
[05:43] <Snake__> _mindspin: im trying to figure out how I can share folders from a nix box to my windows boxes
[05:44] <mluser-home> arrinmurr: thanks for your response.. I already did a full update using the adept-upgrade.  Now i'm stuck at doing the upgrade from 3.4.3 to 3.5.1
[05:44] <_mindspin> Snake__: http://gertranssmb3.berlios.de/output/
[05:45] <_mindspin> it's in german but there will be a english site too
[05:45] <deibit> #nick /deibit
[05:45] <_mindspin> lots of howtos for mostly every situation
[05:45] <deibit> ups
[05:45] <Snake__> _mindspin: I didnt want to read over all that. theres got to be a simpler way
[05:46] <_mindspin> Snake__: which is the server nix or win
[05:46] <Snake__> server is nix
[05:46] <Snake__> client is win
[05:46] <_mindspin> you need a system account on the server
[05:46] <_mindspin> for the client
[05:47] <_mindspin> it is not done by clicking some options
[05:47] <Snake__> What do you mean
[05:47] <_mindspin> you'll have to fiddle a bit
[05:47] <Snake__> ugh
[05:47] <Snake__> :(
[05:47] <Snake__> Screw that. The server is stayin on windows
[05:47] <_mindspin> every samba account needs an unix acount too
[05:48] <Snake__> Ill just keep the server runnin windows, its cool
[05:48] <_mindspin> so open konqueror
[05:48] <Snake__> Yea
[05:48] <_mindspin> go to network folders
[05:49] <Snake__> ok
[05:49] <_mindspin> and click add network folder
[05:49] <Snake__> loading
[05:49] <Snake__> alright
[05:49] <_mindspin> chose ip, name and protocol
[05:49] <Snake__> What do you mean
[05:49] <_mindspin> for me the rest was self explanatory
[05:49] <Snake__> would this be a windows network drive?
[05:49] <_mindspin> yep
[05:50] <Snake__> _mindspin: isnt this the opposite of what I want to be doing?
[05:50] <_mindspin> you'll need smbclient installed ;-)
[05:50] <acidic32> how do i change the Kubuntu logo down the side of the KDE menu?
[05:50] <_mindspin> ok i got you
[05:51] <_mindspin> sudo kcontrol
[05:51] <_mindspin> networking section
[05:51] <Snake__> 1 sec, loading
[05:51] <Snake__> ok
[05:51] <acidic32> how do i change the Kubuntu logo down the side of the KDE menu?
[05:52] <acidic32> soz
[05:52] <_mindspin> samba
[05:52] <Snake__> yep
[05:53] <Snake__> then?
[05:53] <_mindspin> now you can define shares
[05:53] <Snake__> yea I did that
[05:53] <_mindspin> and
[05:53] <_mindspin> ?
[05:53] <Snake__> I still cant see the shares on my windows account
[05:54] <_mindspin> hey so i was right before
[05:54] <Snake__> on my windows PC**
[05:54] <_mindspin> try as described before
[05:54] <Snake__> _mindspin: but i'm trying to host files off of my linux box!
[05:54] <Snake__> Lol
[05:54] <_mindspin> konqueror startpage-> network folders->ad network folder
[05:55] <Snake__> Linux is the host, Windows is the client
[05:55] <_mindspin> you wanna access a windows share?
[05:55] <_mindspin> aaaargh
[05:55] <Snake__> No, I want to access a linux share from a windows PC.
[05:55] <Snake__> lol
[05:55] <_mindspin> then kcontrol is your friend
[05:56] <jpatrick> acidic32: change it in /usr/share/apps/kicker/pics
[05:56] <Snake__> yea but I have no idea what to set
[05:57] <acidic32> kl
[05:57] <_mindspin> theres an option (in german) dateifreigabe ie shares or so
[05:57] <Snake__> _mindspin: can you translate?
[05:57] <Snake__> AHh
[05:57] <Snake__> im dum :)
[05:57] <_mindspin> nope
[05:57] <Snake__> yes i see shares, and I Shared the folder I Want, but I still cant acess it
[05:58] <acidic32> cheers
[05:58] <_mindspin> but I'm sure you have to define it in "samba"
[05:58] <Snake__> How
[05:59] <_mindspin> what do you see when you are in kcontrol/networking/samba?
[05:59] <Snake__> Uhh a few tabs, each holding a crap load of settings
[05:59] <_mindspin> yep
[06:00] <Snake__> Yea...well what do I tweak?
[06:00] <_mindspin> are you in a workgroup or "win domain"  environment?
[06:00] <Snake__> workgroup (HOME)
[06:00] <Snake__> I have secruity set to shar
[06:00] <Snake__> e
[06:00] <_mindspin> so define Workgroup=HOME
[06:01] <Snake__> Did that
[06:01] <_mindspin> add name of the linux machine in capital digits
[06:01] <Snake__> Did it
[06:02] <_mindspin> I have not the option to set security to share here on my kubuntu machine, only on the samba server
[06:02] <_mindspin> it's set to user here
[06:02] <Snake__> And you can access your shares through windows PCs?
[06:02] <_mindspin> you can enable guest maybe it makes it easyer
[06:02] <_mindspin> nope
[06:03] <Snake__> okay
[06:03] <_mindspin> only my better half accesses the files via win
[06:03] <Snake__> lol
[06:03] <_mindspin> but it works
[06:03] <_mindspin> like a charm
[06:03] <Snake__> Okay, well i set it to share, it says thats good for home networks (which is what this is)
[06:04] <_mindspin> now you have to define the shared folders in the next tab
[06:04] <_mindspin> and then I would have atry from win client
[06:05] <_mindspin> try the search funktion cause xp machines tend not to show the share at once
[06:05] <Snake__> I did, I set it as ~/Downloads for the path, and the name of the folder is Test
[06:05] <_mindspin> if that does not succed I had luck with mounting the share via cmd net use x: blah blah
[06:06] <_mindspin> xp is crappy
[06:06] <Snake__> mister_roboto: it cant find the PC
[06:06] <Snake__> _mindspin: **
[06:07] <_mindspin> try net use :x \\nameofyourserveror ip
[06:07] <Snake__> _mindspin: nothin
[06:08] <_mindspin> you can ping the linux machine?
[06:08] <Snake__> _mindspin: yes
[06:08] <squidy> on your server try smbclient //servername/sharedfoldername
[06:08] <_mindspin> what do you get when you run cmd?
[06:09] <squidy> to check samba is working correctly
[06:09] <Snake__> it doesnt say anything, it acts like its mounted...but nothings listed
[06:09] <_mindspin> good one
[06:09] <tafsen> !kde3.5
[06:09] <ubotu> (you might want !kde3.5.1) To upgrade to KDE3.5, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[06:09] <tafsen> Where do I get 3.5.1?
[06:09] <Snake__> !kde3.5.1
[06:09] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[06:09] <_mindspin> I would recommend a bit of reading
[06:10] <tafsen> I followed that one, I got 3.5.0
[06:10] <Snake__> Heh
[06:10] <Snake__> alright
[06:12] <squidy> snake can you connect to your smb share from your servr using smbclient
[06:12] <Snake__> squidy: what do you mean
[06:13] <squidy> open a termnal on your kubuntu box
[06:13] <Snake__> okay
[06:13] <squidy> then smbclient //servernam,
[06:13] <squidy> then smbclient //servername/sharename
[06:13] <squidy> and check you can connect to the share sucessfully
[06:13] <Snake__> snake@Laptop:~$ smbclient //192.168.1.102/Test
[06:13] <Snake__> Error connecting to 192.168.1.102 (Connection refused)
[06:14] <squidy> do you have a firewall setup i.e firestarter
[06:14] <Snake__> Not that I know of
[06:15] <squidy> well connection refused suggests a problem with the server and not xp client
[06:15] <squidy> me goes to think
[06:15] <harritj> no user/passwd set on the share?
[06:15] <asymmetry> whats generally the fastest mirror for kde3.5.1?
[06:16] <Snake__> harritj: not that im aware of
[06:16] <squidy> yeah in kcontrol make sure that permissions are correct
[06:16] <acidic32> how comes i cant play dvds
[06:17] <acidic32> says about encrypted dvd
[06:17] <Snake__> !dvd
[06:17] <acidic32> or something
[06:17] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[06:17] <harritj> mount -t smbfs -o username=jeje,password=jeje //host/share /mnt/point <- try that using the admin user&pass on the xp to see if it at all works
[06:17] <Ontos> Hello Kubuntu Breezy Ipodder from the Backports Problems to Download Podcasts. Sometimes ipodder produce 0Byte Files. Someone a Hint?
[06:17] <acidic32> k
[06:17] <Snake__> Everything seems right in the settings of samba
[06:17] <Snake__> i got guest account checked and everything
[06:19] <harritj> oh soz, the other way around? smb share -> xp? Though you meant xp share -> *nix box :X
[06:19] <Snake__> No
[06:19] <Snake__> Smb share --> xp
[06:20] <azo> Bonjour a tous :)
[06:20] <azo> J'ai un petit souci quelqu'un serait dispo pour m'aid c'est a propro de wow
[06:20] <Snake__> !fr
[06:20] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[06:20] <jpatrick> !fr
[06:20] <Snake__> :)
[06:21] <azo> Sorry Oki :)
[06:21] <harritj> and running 'testparm' give you no errors?
[06:21] <Snake__> testparm?
[06:21] <harritj> ... smb conf checker
[06:21] <Snake__> how would I run that
[06:22] <harritj> testparm <enter>
[06:22] <Snake__> want me to pastebin?
[06:22] <harritj> please
[06:23] <Snake__> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/564668
[06:23] <Ontos> No one a Hint for a Problem with ipodder and Kubuntu Breezy (ipodder produce 0B Files)?
[06:24] <harritj> map to guest = Bad User <- hash out that one if you want guest to work
[06:25] <Snake__> okay
[06:26] <Snake__> I uhhh dont see it in the config file
[06:26] <harritj> heh, funky, paste the entire smb.conf to pastebin then
[06:27] <Snake__> hang on
[06:27] <Snake__> Okay
[06:27] <Snake__> Found it
[06:28] <Snake__> commented out
[06:28] <Snake__> what now
[06:28] <harritj> restart smb daemon & try again =)
[06:28] <Snake__> how do I do that
[06:28] <Snake__> ;-/
[06:29] <harritj> ./etc/init.d/samba restart
[06:29] <Snake__> uhhhh
[06:29] <NRG88> hi, in what repository do i find gnome-commander?
[06:29] <Snake__> snake@Laptop:~$ cd ./etc/init.d/samba restart
[06:29] <Snake__> bash: cd: ./etc/init.d/samba: No such file or directory
[06:30] <Snake__> oops
[06:30] <Snake__> that was when I was checkin for a dir
[06:30] <Snake__> harritj: snake@Laptop:~$ ./etc/init.d/samba restart
[06:30] <Snake__> bash: ./etc/init.d/samba: No such file or directory
[06:30] <squidy> loose the ,
[06:30] <Snake__> k
[06:31] <Snake__> snake@Laptop:~$ /etc/init.d/samba restart
[06:31] <Snake__> bash: /etc/init.d/samba: No such file or directory
[06:31] <harritj> hmm.. the init script should be present if samba is installed...
[06:32] <DjDarkman> hy ,i`m using breezy ,how do i ugrade to dapper flight 4?
[06:32] <Snake__> aparently I dont have it.
[06:32] <squidy> doh!!
[06:32] <Snake__> Hey I could access things from the winbox!
[06:33] <Snake__> That shouldn't be possible without the full of samba!
[06:33] <Snake__> lol
[06:33] <Snake__> Its misleading :-/
[06:33] <squidy> yeah you had smblient tools but not server
[06:33] <Snake__> heh
[06:33] <NRG88> have you got any repository-s for dapper, where i can find gnome commander?
[06:33] <Snake__> snake@Laptop:~$ smbclient //192.168.1.102/
[06:33] <Snake__> Password:
[06:34] <Snake__> what to I put?
[06:34] <NRG88> i have unchecked all the comments in the sources.list
[06:34] <squidy> hit return
[06:34] <Snake__> OHhhhh
[06:34] <Snake__> Im in :)
[06:34] <Snake__> Aw hells ya!
[06:34] <Snake__> My server is goin linux!
[06:34] <Snake__> woo
[06:35] <harritj> =)
[06:35] <Snake__> Ah crap
[06:35] <Snake__> Now ill have to learn apache :(
[06:35] <Snake__> and find a FTP program...
[06:35] <Snake__> :(
[06:35] <Snake__> rofl
[06:35] <harritj> ftp client or server?
[06:35] <Snake__> server
[06:36] <harritj> pureftpd with mysql auth is decent
[06:36] <Snake__> ill check it out
[06:36] <Snake__> harritj: are you around here alot?
[06:36] <harritj> define alot :X
[06:37] <Snake__> Are you a reglar
[06:37] <harritj> not at all.. just a bored *nix head
[06:37] <Snake__> :(
[06:38] <Snake__> Damn...do you have aim or some way I can contact you when I go to set up my ftp?
[06:38] <harritj> you can /msg me.. bnc is always connected, but I rarely got time off, so expect delay in responses =)
[06:39] <acidic32> how do i access kde control center?
[06:39] <Snake__> acidic32: alt+f2 type kcontrol
[06:39] <acidic32> cheers
[06:42] <rabbitPL> alguno habla espaol?
[06:43] <Snake__> !es
[06:43] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[06:43] <DjDarkman> how do i upgrade to dapper?
[06:43] <GoDawgs> Hey guys... how do I see other XP computers on my home network so i can share files from my ubuntu box?
[06:43] <GoDawgs> hey Snake__
[06:43] <Snake__> Sup GoDawgs
[06:43] <Snake__> LOL
[06:44] <Snake__> GoDawgs: I just did that!
[06:44] <Snake__> lol
[06:44] <GoDawgs> nuttin' :)
[06:44] <GoDawgs> jud did what?
[06:44] <GoDawgs> same thing I'm askin'?
[06:44] <Snake__> GoDawgs: Are you trying to get files off your XP machines or off your linux box
[06:44] <Snake__> yes
[06:44] <Snake__> :)
[06:44] <GoDawgs> actually the other way around :)
[06:44] <GoDawgs> I want to put files on my XP machines
[06:44] <ubuntu> hi
[06:45] <Snake__> So Linux --> XP?
[06:45] <Snake__> or XP --> linux
[06:46] <GoDawgs> Snake__:  if I could both but I'd settle for Linux to XP
[06:46] <Snake__> GoDawgs: alright, start with sudo apt-get install samba
[06:46] <GoDawgs> oh shoot i have to use samba huh? ;)
[06:47] <GoDawgs> Snake__:  I was just told this:   GoDawgs: alt+f2, smb://xpcomputername\
[06:47] <GoDawgs> would that work?
[06:47] <Snake__> GoDawgs: thats to do XP --> Linux
[06:47] <GoDawgs> that's just fine!
[06:47] <Snake__> okay that will work for that
[06:48] <Snake__> I thought you ment you wanted to use you XP machine to get to linux shares
[06:48] <GoDawgs> Snake__:  eventually i wanna do both
[06:48] <GoDawgs> :)
[06:48] <GoDawgs> Snake__:  but for now i'm happy with that
[06:48] <Snake__> Okie dokei
[06:48] <GoDawgs> Snake__:  thank you though :) :) :)
[06:49] <Snake__> GoDawgs: I just did the harder of the 2 about...3 mins ago (Linux --> XP) hehe
[06:49] <GoDawgs> Snake__:  yeah that's what i was trying to avoid right now... i understand samba is a pain in the a$$
[06:49] <GoDawgs> but now I can't see my computer
[06:49] <jetsaredi1> is there any way to setup the kubuntu install such that I can have an NFS mounted home dir?
[06:49] <GoDawgs> crap!
[06:49] <Snake__> What do you mean
[06:49] <GoDawgs> Snake__:  it's not seeing anything
[06:50] <Snake__> GoDawgs: Do this the easy way, open konquoror, click network places, click add network folder
[06:50] <GoDawgs> ok
[06:50] <acidic32> how do i modify grub
[06:50] <acidic32> ?
[06:51] <Snake__> You google it
[06:51] <DjDarkman> man noone can tell me how to upgrade to dapper?
[06:51] <Snake__> !dapper
[06:51] <ubotu> hmm... dapper is the pre-release name for the next version of Ubuntu, the release will be called 6.04. It is due 20th April. It is software in development and as such may break.
[06:52] <GoDawgs> Snake__:  crap!  it's not accepting my password
[06:52] <dyrne> acidic32: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:52] <Snake__> GoDawgs: uh oh
[06:52] <GoDawgs> hmmm... i don't know what password it's looking for
[06:52] <GoDawgs> is there a way to reset it?
[06:52] <Snake__> GoDawgs: hang on
[06:52] <GoDawgs> Snake__:  ok ;)
[06:53] <Snake__> GoDawgs: click on samba shares, see if you can get to your PC from there
[06:53] <GoDawgs> yeah that's how i did it
[06:53] <Snake__> Weird...
[06:53] <Snake__> Hmm im not sure
[06:53] <GoDawgs> but my XP box isn't password protected
[06:53] <GoDawgs> shiznit
[06:53] <Snake__> Im not sure :( sorry
[06:53] <GoDawgs> oh not your fault
[06:54] <GoDawgs> i appreciate your help.... i'm just upset it didn't work the way i hoped
[06:54] <Snake__> hehe
[06:54] <Snake__> Never does
[06:54] <Snake__> Welcome to linux
[06:54] <GoDawgs> of course not :)
[06:54] <GoDawgs> hehehe :)
[06:54] <GoDawgs> i'll figure it out I think :)
[06:54] <GoDawgs> take care
[06:54] <Snake__> I still cant restart samba!!!
[06:54] <Snake__> AHhhhhhhhh
[06:55] <squidy> what happens whn you tyoe /etc/init.d/samba
[06:56] <Snake__> snake@Laptop:~$ /etc/init.d/samba * Usage: /etc/init.d/samba {start|stop|reload|restart|force-reload}
[06:56] <Snake__> Ahh that worked
[06:57] <Snake__> squidy:
[06:57] <Snake__> snake@Laptop:~$ /etc/init.d/samba start
[06:57] <Snake__>  * Starting Samba daemons..                                                     /usr/share/samba/panic-action: line 48: mail: command not found
[06:57] <Snake__> /etc/init.d/samba: line 24:  4960 Aborted                 start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --oknodo --exec /usr/sbin/smbd -- -D
[06:57] <Snake__>                                                                          [fail] 
[06:57] <jetsaredi1> Snake__: please don't post screen messages directly
[06:57] <Snake__> sorry jetsaredi1
[06:57] <Snake__> Whoops, had to be sudo :)
[07:00] <Ontos> Hint: dont Install ipodder from the Backports! use castpodder from Web. Its the same! but without Bugs!
[07:01] <Snake__> mornin nalioth
[07:02] <digitaldeath> AmoraK does podcasts
[07:03] <Ontos> i dont like amaroK.. i hate this programm :-)
[07:03] <Snake__> amaroK Rocks, when you get the xine engine running
[07:03] <digitaldeath> amaroK takes getting used to but is pretty cool
[07:03] <nalioth> howdy
[07:04] <digitaldeath> hey nalioth
[07:09] <jetsaredi1> does anyone know how to setup nis on kubuntu?
[07:10] <Snake__> jetsaredi1: nis?
[07:12] <jetsaredi1> Snake__: yea - nis for auth and home dirs?
[07:12] <jetsaredi1> Snake__: i wasn't sure if there was anything special I could do during the install
[07:13] <jetsaredi1> Snake__: I mean - I know how to set it up after the fact
[07:16] <Snake__> ah
[07:16] <Snake__> not sure
[07:32] <DjDarkman> please tell me the link of the site ,that makes me sources.list
[07:32] <_mindspin> !sourceomatic
[07:32] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _mindspin
[07:32] <_mindspin> !source'omatic
[07:32] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _mindspin
[07:33] <jpatrick> !sources
[07:33] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[07:33] <_mindspin> he wants the source omatic site i guess
[07:34] <jpatrick> !easysource
[07:34] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[07:34] <jpatrick> ?
[07:34] <jpatrick> i rule
[07:34] <_mindspin> yep
[07:34] <jpatrick> ;)
[07:35] <gaylord_> can anybody give a good how to for dapper flight 4 to install amarok 4.1b1 ?
[07:36] <jpatrick> gaylord_: can you please change your name?
[07:36] <gaylord_> ???
[07:36] <gaylord_> are u joking ?
[07:36] <gaylord_> this is my firstname
[07:36] <gaylord_> so no i cant change it !
[07:36] <gaylord_> I m french and in french it does mean what you imagine
[07:37] <gaylord_> i wont change it case it s my real name
[07:37] <jpatrick> ok
[07:37] <gaylord_> jpatrick: u do not rule
[07:37] <gaylord_> ;)
[07:37] <gaylord_> narrow minded
[07:38] <jpatrick> gaylord_: run this commands: sudo echo "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14beta1 dapper main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:38] <jpatrick> that should do it
[07:38] <sebastian> folk
[07:38] <sebastian> s
[07:38] <jpatrick> hallo sebastian
[07:39] <sebastian> is anyone succesfully running initng with the new kernel 2.6.12-10
[07:39] <sebastian> ?
[07:39] <buz> !dapper update
[07:39] <ubotu> buz: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:39] <buz> !dapper
[07:39] <ubotu> dapper is, like, the pre-release name for the next version of Ubuntu, the release will be called 6.04. It is due 20th April. It is software in development and as such may break.
[07:41] <jpatrick> hello tsdgeos
[07:42] <tsdgeos> hi jpatrick
[07:42] <jpatrick> tsdgeos: are you catalan?
[07:42] <tsdgeos> yup
[07:42] <jpatrick> que pasa?
[07:42] <jpatrick> <- lives in catalonia
[07:42] <tsdgeos> jpatrick: ;-)
[07:43] <jpatrick> Hey, I might be going to aKademy-es :-)
[07:43] <buz> is this normal for upgrade from breezy to dapper: http://pastebin.de/4633
[07:43] <tsdgeos> jpatrick: you're welcome
[07:43] <jpatrick> tsdgeos: I kknow you from your blog
[07:43] <buz> it wants to remove pretty much all kde?!?
[07:44] <jpatrick> buz: that ain't right
[07:44] <buz> so i thought
[07:44] <buz> do i need any new repositories?
[07:45] <buz> mhh may try another mirror
[07:46] <_tarball> I'm trying to get 'initng' working on my laptop but it doesn't complete properly.  Seems to get stuck when loading 'daemon/portmap', anyone else seen this problem?
[07:46] <buz> dist-upgrade still wants to remove a lot of kde stuff
[07:56] <chillmann> hello
[07:57] <chillmann> is there a simple way to upgrade a 32-bit debian unstable to a 64 bit kubuntu? (simple=no new partition)
[07:58] <_baldor> Anyone here know about restoring partitions?
[07:58] <Al-Daja> where i can find decoders or codecs?
[08:00] <_baldor> anybody?
[08:00] <buz> anyone got a known to be good sources.list for dapper?
[08:12] <buz> could it be that my dapper upgrade suggests to do weird stuff because i've installed the kde 3.5.1 debs from kubuntu.org and those have equivalents in dapper?
[08:22] <jjesse> hmm small problem today, updated dapper virtual machine and now i can't get an ipaddress
[08:42] <ice> !dapper
[08:42] <ubotu> from memory, dapper is the pre-release name for the next version of Ubuntu, the release will be called 6.04. It is due 20th April. It is software in development and as such may break.
[08:42] <ice> does anyone have dapper
[08:43] <ice> I need to see someones sources.list
[08:43] <ice> to see if mine is correct I'm getting errors about dependecies
[08:51] <m_tadeu> hi everyone...what should I do to auto mount a usb hard disk?
[08:59] <robewald> hi, i need some help with grep
[09:00] <robewald> I want to match any path that has arch in it, but not the ones where arch is somewhere behind ++
[09:01] <robewald> i tried grep '\[^+\] *arch', but it does not work
[09:01] <robewald> maybe someone has an idea?
[09:01] <angasule> do a double grep?
[09:02] <angasule> -v inverts the matching
[09:02] <angasule> "grep *arch* * | grep -v ++arch"
[09:02] <angasule> slashed +, I think
[09:04] <robewald> yes, that works. I wonder why the other line doesn't work though.
[09:05] <gouchi> Hi
[09:05] <gouchi> does shipit.ubuntulinux.org provides Kubuntu ?
[09:05] <angasule> hi, gouchi
[09:05] <gouchi> hi
[09:06] <gouchi> ?
[09:09] <gouchi> any tips ?
[09:09] <angasule> gouchi: does the site say it provides kubuntu?
[09:09] <Cheapie> MenZa, :O
[09:10] <gouchi> I don't think so
[09:10] <angasule> gouchi: did you read the website's FAQ?
[09:11] <gouchi> nope sorry
[09:11] <gouchi> I will
[09:11] <gouchi> sorry again
[09:12] <gouchi> which application did you suggest after amarok :)
[09:12] <gouchi> that I have to install after the installation and configuration ?
[09:23] <baldor> I need some serious help with a buggered drive
[09:23] <gouchi> DMA error ?
[09:23] <baldor> nope
[09:23] <baldor> bit of a long story, I had a post on ars about it and everything
[09:25] <baldor> Gouchi its: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/12009443/m/484009187731
[09:29] <baldor> any ideas?
[09:30] <baldor> Does anyone know any tools to rebuild partition tables?
[09:30] <jpatrick> qtparted
[09:31] <visik7> fdisk ?
[09:31] <baldor> I dont seem to have qtparted installed
[09:31] <bob> You want gpart. qtparted won't rebuild your partition tables if you've trashed them, AFAIK.
[09:31] <gouchi> baldor : did you try  http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ ?
[09:31] <bob> Go and download Knoppix. Everything is there.
[09:31] <baldor> I tried it under a Knoppix live CD and it said It couldnt access the drive
[09:32] <baldor> I have it as an external drive via USB in my comp now
[09:32] <baldor> I can access some partitions but there are like 60 odd partitions when there should only be 12
[09:32] <bob> Probably easier to plug it into IDE ratehr than USB.
[09:32] <gouchi> baldor : there is a lot of diagnostic tool
[09:33] <bob> sudo gpart /dev/hda to find your old partitions and view them
[09:33] <bob> sudo gpart -W /dev/hda to write the new partition table back to the drive.
[09:35] <c0rrupt`> how can i remove the graphical KDE login from loading?
[09:35] <baldor> gpart isnt installed on Kubuntu and doesnt seem to be on Adept and Im using Kubuntu now
[09:38] <bob> gpart is in the universe repository.
[09:39] <bob> Enable it in your package manager. I'd recommend installing synaptic to use instead of Adept, which is a bit overcomplex for my taste.
[09:41] <baldor> ok
[09:41] <jpatrick> bob: new adept is the best
[09:41] <baldor> well wil u guys be bere in about 10mins?
[09:41] <baldor> Im gonna boot UBD to see what I can do
[09:42] <jpatrick> ok
[09:50] <acidic32> how comes when i use konversation, freenode kicks me off
[09:50] <acidic32> saying Incorrect Password
[09:51] <bob> Because your nick is already registered by someone else on that server?
[09:51] <Cainus> can anyone help me get smb sharing to work?  I'm going through "system settings -> sharing", but when I log in as root, I still don't have options to turn on sharing...
[09:51] <acidic32> no, upon connection
[09:51] <acidic32> before i even get to the MOTD
[09:52] <bob> So how did you get here now?
[09:52] <acidic32> thru Gaim
[09:52] <bob> Ok.
[09:52] <acidic32> [20:52]  [Notice]  -- *** No identd (auth) response
[09:52] <acidic32> [20:52]  [464]  Hmmm, that wasn't the right password
[09:52] <acidic32> [20:52]  [Error]  Connection to Server irc.freenode.net lost.  remote host closed connection.  Trying to reconnect.
[09:52] <acidic32> [20:52]  [error]  Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Bad Password)
[09:53] <bob> Don't know. Anyone?
[09:54] <acidic32> mm
[09:54] <acidic32> could it be to do with Identd?
[09:56] <Cainus> er...so anyone got a clue about my smb woes?
[09:56] <Cainus> or should I just set up smbd manually?
[09:56] <Cainus> seems like the gui stuff exists for a reason
[09:56] <trappist> acidic32: looks like konversation is sending a password when you don't need one
[09:57] <trappist> acidic32: no wait, it's resolving irc.freenode.net to 127.0.0.1
[09:59] <bob> Samba probs - try installing webmin and doing it with that.
[10:00] <MenZa> Cheapie :O
[10:00] <acidic32> 17462 pts/4    S+     0:00 whiptail --backtitle Ubuntu Configuration --title Configuring poker3d-server --output-fd 11 --nocancel --passwordbox -- Please e
[10:01] <acidic32> how do i kill that
[10:01] <acidic32> i tried kill -9 17462
[10:01] <acidic32> but it keeps coming back
[10:01] <Cainus> bob: well I can configure smbd myself no problem... but there's all that right-click->share functionality in konqueror I'd be missing out on...
[10:02] <trappist> acidic32: ps awwfux | grep -B5 whiptail  <-- should show you the parent process that's spawning it
[10:02] <Cainus> I just thought it should work through the kde tools
[10:03] <bob> Cainus: Don't know. I haven't tried it myself yet. Been running Kubuntu for all of... about 8 hours now. :)
[10:04] <baldor> hey guys
[10:04] <baldor> Ok Salvation HDD Scan and Repair couldnt even mount the drive
[10:04] <baldor> it must be proper fucked
[10:05] <Cainus> bob: yeah...2 days here ;)
[10:05] <Cainus> bob: what were you running before?
[10:06] <baldor> any idears?
[10:06] <bob> Various Red Hat, Mandrake/riva. Just having a look at Ubuntu/Kubuntu and wondering whether/which to install for good. Knoppix on bad days. ;)
[10:07] <trappist> baldor: sounds like time for a new drive
[10:08] <baldor> fuck but i need the files off it
[10:09] <baldor> Im going to get a new MOBO with onboard raid and new drives after this incident
[10:09] <trappist> if the hardware is fried you're basically going to have to pay somebody a lot of money to get those back
[10:09] <Cainus> bob: the debianness is cool I think... I like apt-get a helluva lot
[10:09] <baldor> Hardware is fine its the partition info thats all buggered up
[10:10] <Cainus> I used to run mepis.. that one was very nice too
[10:10] <bob> Yes, apt seems much better than the rpm stuff I've been used to.
[10:10] <bob> I'm keen on the less commercial nature of Debian and derivatives, too.
[10:10] <trappist> one thing I've heard success stories on is 1) place drive in ziplock bag 2) place bag in freezer 3) pray for 4 hours 4) connect drive, cross your fingers, try to mount and if successful get your files off as quick as you can
[10:11] <bob> Yes, I've frozen a drive and had it temporarily resuscitate, too. Not a myth (though no way of knowing whether it would have worked anyway.)
[10:12] <strange_ghost> Is there a way to run something like Xconfigurator in Kubuntu? I just got a new monitor and I want to set resolution higher then old one would allow
[10:12] <baldor> how the hell does freezing a drive manage to fix partitions?
[10:13] <hugelmopf> baldor: there is a tool to rescue a messed up partition table, i just don't remember its name.
[10:13] <bob> I've not had freezing fix partitions, but I've had it make drives work that wouldn't detect at all.
[10:13] <baldor> there are a few on UBD but I just used it there and none of them seemed to work
[10:13] <bob> The tool is gpart - "guess partitions".
[10:14] <trappist> baldor: if your partition table is screwed up, that can possibly be fixed with software.  this is mostly for head crashes and other mechanical failures.
[10:14] <baldor> yep seen or heard of it I should say
[10:14] <acidic32> i cant seem to get adept to work
[10:14] <acidic32> it keeps coming in read-only
[10:14] <baldor> I can't get the damaged drive to boot, If I put it in as a slave drive then the untouched drive Im using now wont boot properly
[10:15] <baldor>  if I boot into Kubuntu and mount it via ext USB it can seen some partitions
[10:15] <Cainus> acidic32: you know its not meant to work like a text editor, right?
[10:15] <baldor> but it looks like there are 60odd partitions with the same files and info on each partitions
[10:15] <acidic32> yes
[10:16] <baldor> Ive tried gpart and it said coulndt access the drive which I presume is really bad
[10:19] <hugelmopf> baldor did you try as sudo?
[10:20] <acidic31> fixed it
[10:21] <baldor> yup
[10:21] <baldor> downloading UBCD 3.4 now
[10:21] <baldor> can I run gpart from Kubuntu?
[10:22] <NeoChaosX> hey. anybody trying out kubuntu dapper, and how is it now?
[10:23] <jjesse> works really good, flight 4 is now out
[10:24] <baldor> ?
[10:24] <NeoChaosX> any showstopper bugs, or are those getting worked out pretty quickly?
[10:24] <acidic32> whats dapper
[10:25] <NeoChaosX> dapper is the codenmae for the next ubuntu release
[10:25] <acidic32> !dapper
[10:25] <ubotu> rumour has it, dapper is the pre-release name for the next version of Ubuntu, the release will be called 6.04. It is due 20th April. It is software in development and as such may break.
[10:25] <NeoChaosX> codename*
[10:25] <baldor> does anybody know how I can run gpart from within KUbuntu?
[10:26] <acidic32> can you install dapper
[10:26] <acidic32> without full install?
[10:27] <NeoChaosX> acidic32: just change all references to "breezy" in /etc/apt/sources.list to "dapper", then do a apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:27] <cyberserver> hi people!
[10:27] <acidic32> ok
[10:27] <cyberserver> I'm having a problem in my grub bootsplash
[10:28] <NeoChaosX> cyberserver: what exactly is the problem?
[10:28] <jpatrick> robotgeek_away: CC meeting in 23 hours (in case you don't know)
[10:28] <baldor> jpatrick any ideas about my drive?
[10:29] <jpatrick> nope
[10:29] <baldor> bugger
[10:29] <acidic32> :)
[10:29] <acidic32> thx
[10:30] <acidic32> who here is running dapper?
[10:30] <ryanakca> acidic32: I wish I was...
[10:30] <jjesse> i am
[10:30] <acidic32> what you mean you wish you was?
[10:30] <jibolin> hi
[10:31] <kmon> I am
[10:31] <acidic32> is there alot of changes?
[10:31] <cyberserver> NeoChaosX: I dist-upgrated dapper and it seems it installed a grub bootsplash, I think...
[10:32] <jibolin>  i'am new to kubu, how do i acces to the repos packages
[10:32] <NeoChaosX> oh, some folks have had that problem, too, I think
[10:32] <cyberserver> NeoChaosX: ... now I dont see the grub menu , and after the timeout i see the kernel loading...
[10:33] <acidic32> use webmin, you can remove the grub bootsplash
[10:33] <unclemike> ? the Kubuntu liveCD is it the same the install cd or does the install have more features
[10:33] <NeoChaosX> give me a minute, there's a thread that explains it all
[10:33] <cyberserver> NeoChaosX: ... but the screen is all messed up ...
[10:33] <acidic32> ok, leaving pc over night
[10:33] <acidic32> to install and upgrade ;)
[10:33] <acidic32> 745megs
[10:34] <acidic32> w0w :)
[10:34] <NeoChaosX> cyberserver: open up /boot/grub/menu.lst in a text editor
[10:34] <cyberserver> yes...
[10:34] <NeoChaosX> find the line that starts with "splashimage=" and comment it out
[10:35] <sacul> Can anyone point me to an article where i can figure out how to access my raid0 array fromatted fat32?
[10:35] <NeoChaosX> that should fix your problem
[10:37] <cyberserver> NeoChaosX: ok, thx, I will try it.. brb (after the reboot)
[10:37] <NeoChaosX> alright
[10:37] <acidic32> why it going so slow lol
[10:37] <acidic32> 13kb/s
[10:38] <NeoChaosX> acidic: either bad connection, or swamped servers
[10:38] <sacul> is there a kubuntu help room?
[10:38] <acidic32> prolly
[10:38] <acidic32> hehe
[10:38] <acidic32> its going to 22kb/s
[10:39] <acidic32> wont climb no more that than, i just download a 2meg file, it was flying at 80kb/s
[10:39] <acidic32> must be the servers
[10:39] <douglas> I added mutliverse for one package (zsnes), But now I don't want multiverse because it screws over dapper. I removed the repositories and did an apt-get update and the it still wants to install packages from multiverse, how do I clean that out?
[10:40] <baldor> how do I know the root pwd of a Knoppix live CD?
[10:40] <douglas> I think it's nothing
[10:41] <NeoChaosX> baldor: there's no root password
[10:41] <cyberserver> NeoChaosX: thx, it worked
[10:42] <NeoChaosX> no prob, cyberserver. dapper got a new grub splash, but the guy who packaged it messed up in configuring it
[10:42] <douglas> I added mutliverse for one package (zsnes), But now I don't want multiverse because it screws over dapper. I removed the repositories and did an apt-get update and the it still wants to install packages from multiverse, how do I clean that out?
[10:42] <tomcatt> hello all
[10:42] <NeoChaosX> douglas: sudo apt-get install -f
[10:42] <douglas> thanks
[10:43] <douglas> I did apt-get clean && apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade and it's still showing packages from multiverse
[10:43] <tomcatt> hey guys, is it ok to start upgrading from breezy-badger to dapper-drake, or should I wait?
[10:44] <douglas> you can't upgrade right now
[10:44] <douglas> I tried, it broke everything
[10:44] <douglas> you can do a clean install as of now
[10:44] <jpatrick> tomcatt: i think it's safe (with FeatureFreeze almost in action)
[10:44] <NeoChaosX> from what i'm getting it's stable, but i'd prefer to wait until the first preview release/beta comes out
[10:44] <douglas> I'm running dapper, and I installed it just a few hours ago
[10:46] <danni> Hello
[10:47] <tomcatt> wow, ok thinks guys.
[10:48] <danni> I have a problem- my cursor won't stop bouncing (or rather, the icon next to the cursor won't stop bouncing)
[10:48] <danni> anyone know how to stop it?
[10:49] <tomcatt> i used to play with just dapper-drake a month ago on this system.  it worked and looked good but the network wanted to die and/or the printer.
[10:49] <tomcatt> i could never track down the problem.
[10:50] <tomcatt> well, I do have a extra hard drive, I could install with it and test drive it...
[10:55] <ryanakca> what format offers the best compression?: .tar.gz or .tar.bz2
[10:56] <acidic32> bunzip2
[10:56] <acidic32> bz2 even
[10:58] <sacul_> can anyone help me in mounting a raid0 array with my mp3 collection on it?
[10:58] <ryanakca> so just .bz2 instead of .tar.bz2?
[10:58] <sacul_> SATA
[10:59] <gr> re
[11:01] <Gori> hi there. Does anyone have advice on locking down a kubuntu install so that a well meaning, but clueless older person can not hose their KDE session/settings ?
[11:01] <gr> anybody, who can tell me, how to enable my dell-i8k-keys on kubuntu? I already have a .Xmodmap and those keys do under other WM, but not KDE.
[11:02] <Snake__> Can someone suggest a decent GUI FTP server for linux??
[11:02] <Gori> i likegftp, but it is for gnome...
[11:02] <Gori> ah. server.. never mind...
[11:02] <Snake__> :)
[11:02] <cyberserver> ryanakca: tar des not compress. so 'foo.tar.bz2' gets you the same as 'foo.bz2'
[11:04] <cyberserver> ryanakca: tar just "aggregates" a bunch of files in a single file... think of it as a zip with 0% compression... just puts things toguether.
[11:04] <Baldor> hey guys Im back
[11:04] <Baldor> :-)
[11:05] <harritj> gui ftpd? is there such a thing?(if you dont include web admin interfaces)
[11:06] <Snake__> :-/
[11:06] <Snake__> if theres not then my server is stayin on windows
[11:06] <Snake__> simple nough
[11:06] <ryanakca> cyberserver: oh, I get it, thanks
[11:06] <harritj> k, have fun on wintendo then
[11:06] <Snake__> lol
[11:07] <Baldor> eh does anyone knwo if its ok to quit gpart when its running?
[11:07] <Baldor> or will it do dammage?
[11:07] <Snake__> It will probly damage
[11:08] <Baldor> fuck
[11:08] <Baldor> ok so how do I know the process is running?
[11:08] <Baldor> its been sitting there for about 20mins now
[11:08] <Snake__> o.0
[11:08] <Snake__> Baldor: i...dunno
[11:08] <Snake__> lol
[11:08] <Snake__> Baldor: how much data ya movin
[11:09] <Baldor> eh its a 160Gb drive
[11:09] <Snake__> Baldor: then it might take a while...took me about 20 mins on my 12 gig drive
[11:09] <Baldor> gpart is the guess partition tool not the backup too parted or
[11:09] <_mindspin> push ctrl +alt+f2 and try to log in on another console but I#m not sure wether it really works
[11:10] <_mindspin> while qtparted is running
[11:10] <Baldor> Im running gpart not qtparted
[11:10] <_mindspin> just the same
[11:11] <Baldor> ?
[11:11] <Baldor> how can I see how much processing power the process is using?
[11:11] <_mindspin> top ?
[11:14] <sacul_> can anyone help me in mounting a raid0 SATA array with my mp3 collection on it?
[11:15] <Kelso17> where can I edit in/visible list in Gaim IM, please?
[11:16] <Baldor> How do I get up a process list and info under linux like Task manager
[11:17] <acidic32> wow
[11:17] <acidic32> its flying
[11:17] <acidic32> 110kb/s
[11:17] <acidic32> ;)
[11:17] <acidic32> will take 2hours, not 10 ;)
[11:18] <Kelso17> ?
[11:18] <acidic32> my update to dapper
[11:18] <acidic32> lol
[11:19] <ryanakca> anybody here know of a "HOWTO" to upgrade to dapper with the "apt-get dist-upgrade" (for editing the sources.list file)
[11:20] <_mindspin> Baldur ps aux
[11:20] <ryanakca> and yes, in case your wondering, I have backed up my system
[11:20] <Snake__> ryanakca: just add the dapper sources, and run the dist-upgrade
[11:20] <Snake__> !sources
[11:20] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[11:20] <squidy> proftpd gui
[11:20] <squidy> http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/proftpweb.htm
[11:21] <Snake__> squidy: thanks man, but im just gonna keep my server on winblow
[11:22] <_vincent> how can I disable the automount of my ipod, but keep the automount for the usb keys ?
[11:25] <ryanakca> Snake__: Thanks
[11:29] <jarlath> Is it possible to convert a partition from ext2 to ext3 without loosing the data?
[11:29] <trappist> that should be trivial
[11:30] <trappist> that's nice.
[11:30] <farous> anyone know if gnome 2.14 will be shipped with dapper or not
[11:30] <bob> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/ext2toext3.htm
[11:30] <farous> sorry wrong chan
[11:30] <trappist> jarlath: http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/documents/convert2ext3.html
[11:30] <sacul_> i could really use some help on mounting an existing SATA raid array?
[11:31] <_vincent> if the next release of kbuntu uses kde3.5.1, then hotplug will not be needed anymore ?
[11:31] <jarlath> trappist / bob, thank you both.
[11:31] <infinitezeros> hey enfact
[11:32] <visik7> _vincent: dapper flight
[11:32] <bob> But always backup first. Backup anyway!
[11:33] <xwolf-> how do i create an alias so that when i type firefox it actually opens ~firefox/firefox?
[11:35] <infinitezeros> use the .bashrc file xwolf
[11:35] <acidic32> ln -s /home/yourname/firefox/firefox /bin/firefox
[11:35] <xwolf-> infinitezeros i'm not that used to linux :>
[11:36] <trappist> we need a +t in here
[11:36] <acidic32> sudo ln -s /home/yourname/firefox/firefox /bin/firefox
[11:36] <xwolf-> lemme see
[11:37] <xwolf-> damn. thank you acidic32.
[11:37] <Kelso17> plese, it's true, that I can't reinstall gcc v3.4 from newer gcc v4?    v4 => v3.4?
[11:37] <acidic32> heh
[11:38] <acidic32> Kelso17: i think so
[11:38] <trappist> Kelso17: both versions can live side by side.  you don't have to downgrade.
[11:38] <sacul_> Am I even being heard on this chanel?  I understand if everyone is busy but I'm starting to get frustrated
[11:38] <trappist> just apt-get install gcc-3.4
[11:38] <acidic32> trappist: yea, thats what ive done
[11:39] <acidic32> some stuff just dont compile with gcc 4
[11:39] <trappist> sacul: in general if you ask a *specific* question, anyone who knows will answer.
[11:39] <infinitezeros> add the following line to yout "~/.bashrc" file xwolf
[11:40] <Kelso17> thanks for all ;] 
[11:40] <trappist> infinitezeros: why did you change the topic as soon as you joined the channel.
[11:41] <sacul> my specific question is how i can read the data on my SATA raid array (pretty sure its fake from browsing the internet) that already exists and is formatted (I believe Fat32 but I'm not positive)  And if no one knows can anyone atleast point me in the right direction to find this information.  I found a guide using google but it was no help.
[11:42] <trappist> hardware raid?
[11:42] <sacul> motherboard controller
[11:42] <sacul> so ya
[11:42] <xwolf-> i put an audio cd in my cd-rom drive (yes, CD-ROM) but kubuntu sees it as a blank (non-recorded) cd
[11:43] <xwolf-> how come?
[11:43] <trappist> well I don't have any sata devices but I think they show up as scsi, in which case you should be able to mount something like /dev/sda1
[11:43] <cyblivious> has anyone installed xorg 7.0 to breezy?
[11:43] <sacul> i have /dev/sda /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb
[11:43] <sacul> i tried mounting all 3... none would
[11:44] <trappist> you might try running dmesg to see what devices were detected at boot time
[11:47] <sacul> dmesg is a big long mess of errors
[11:47] <trappist> also I think kcontrol has an interface for this kind of thing
[11:50] <acidic32> sacul: run kcontrol, system administration the Disk Drives
[11:51] <sacul> they are showing up with /dev/sda1 being the right size
[11:51] <acidic32> sacul: might help :)
[11:51] <hDp`> qui qui veut jouer ?
[11:51] <sacul> but it is not enabled and enabling is not an option.. has no mount point.. etc
[11:52] <trappist> sacul: do you have something like 'click here for administrative mode' at the bottom?
[11:52] <sacul> i did... i already clicked it and put in my password
[11:55] <sacul> okay.. i figured out the "new" button and set everything up
[11:55] <trappist> sacul: speaking of specific, what happened when you tried to mount /dev/sda1?
[11:55] <sacul> both with vfat and ntfs gives me an error
[11:55] <xwolf-> why doesn't my audio cd friggin PLAY?
[11:55] <xwolf-> >P
[11:55] <trappist> sacul: speaking of specific, what kind of error?
[11:55] <sacul> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
[11:55] <sacul>        missing codepage or other error
[11:55] <sacul>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[11:55] <sacul>        dmesg | tail  or so
[11:56] <trappist> dmesg | tail sounds like a great idea
[11:56] <trappist> also, try not specifying the fs type
[11:56] <trappist> like, sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/point
[11:56] <sacul> can i paste my dmesg | tail or will i get booted?
[11:57] <trappist> pastebin
[11:57] <trappist> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[11:58] <sacul> cannot connect to kubuntu.pastebin.com
[11:59] <sacul> trappist: mount also tells me i MUST specify fs type
[12:00] <acidic32> yes
[12:00] <acidic32> mm
[12:01] <acidic32> soz wrong window
[12:01] <trappist> sacul: it says that when it can't figure it out on its own, which is usually indicative of a problem that needs to be solved.  usually mount can figure that out on its own, if everything is kosher.
[12:02] <sacul> acidic32 or trappist: Is there any other way i can get you my dmesg | tail output because pastebin won't connect
[12:02] <trappist> try http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:02] <trappist> yeah the kubuntu pastebin seems to be down
[12:03] <visik7> why I can't see fstab entry in media:/ ?
[12:03] <Hobbsee> visik7: workaround: look in /media/ instead
[12:03] <robotgeek> hey Hobbsee
[12:03] <visik7> Hobbsee: ok and the real solution ?
[12:03] <sacul> ok... sent it to paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:03] <Hobbsee> hi robotgeek
[12:04] <acidic32> whats the url ?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> visik7: check out the source, and fix the bug, then upload it :P
[12:04] <visik7> ...
[12:04] <sacul> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d8995
[12:05] <acidic32> mount it as FAT32 not ntfs
[12:05] <acidic32> if its a FAT32 drive