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| LaserJock | hi bshumate and Burglaptop | 12:41 |
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| Burglaptop | salut LaserJock | 12:42 |
| LaserJock | hmm, is there a XML to plain text converter? | 12:58 |
| Burglaptop | LaserJock: look on your system for a xml2 utility | 01:09 |
| LaserJock | Burglaptop: yeah, I was doing it on an OSX machine and didn't see any xml2 stuff. I just used a quick python script from the Python Cookbook | 01:19 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: ok, are you working on basic.xml? | 01:51 |
| Kyral | NO | 01:51 |
| Kyral | damn caps | 01:51 |
| Kyral | no | 01:51 |
| Kyral | mistakes.xml | 01:51 |
| LaserJock | have you updated your repo? I thought I got rid of that | 01:52 |
| Kyral | I did | 01:52 |
| Kyral | it had # # | 01:52 |
| Kyral | meaning it was a backup file | 01:53 |
| Kyral | where is the error checking file now... | 01:53 |
| LaserJock | basic.xml | 01:53 |
| Kyral | Ah I see it | 01:54 |
| Kyral | cut and paste time :D | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 01:54 |
| Kyral | I just added a small line to see if I got the hang of it | 01:54 |
| Kyral | I'll diff it now and send it to you | 01:54 |
| Kyral | Want me to remove that backup file too? | 01:55 |
| LaserJock | yeah, because that is yours not the repos. do "svn status" | 01:56 |
| Kyral | yah one file modded, the basic.xml | 01:56 |
| LaserJock | ok, so did you get rid of the # # file? | 01:57 |
| Kyral | Yah....but its not showing up in the diff | 01:57 |
| Kyral | LJ Email? | 01:57 |
| LaserJock | mantha@u.c | 01:57 |
| Kyral | sent | 02:01 |
| Kyral | I dunno if I did the formatting right...Bluefish showed me the Ordered List thing, which I thought would be a good idea for the ErrorChecking thing | 02:02 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: what directory did you do svn diff in? | 02:07 |
| Kyral | ~ | 02:07 |
| Kyral | which is right above ubuntu-doc | 02:07 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: it is easier if you run it in the actual directory of the file | 02:08 |
| Kyral | oh | 02:08 |
| LaserJock | I had to go to ~ to apply it or change the -p flag | 02:08 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: anyway, if you want to work on that, check out http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Reviewing | 02:11 |
| Kyral | mkay | 02:14 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: and send me a diff whenever your done with a decent chunk. ;-) | 02:15 |
| Burglaptop | LaserJock: do you know of any open source tools to do low level formatting of a hdd? | 02:30 |
| LaserJock | Burglaptop: oh geeze. I don't. Kyral, your the CS major. Do you know? | 02:31 |
| Kyral | dd? | 02:41 |
| Kyral | something like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<hdd you wanna nuke> | 02:42 |
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| Burglaptop | Kyral: how easy is it recover data after that operation? (I want it to be as hard as possible) | 03:33 |
| Burglaptop | and is there a nice wrapper script that detects all harddrives on the system and then formats them in sequence? (I could write one, but am lazy) | 03:37 |
| Burglaptop | never mind, just found dban | 03:38 |
| Kyral | Burglaptop: umm | 03:43 |
| Kyral | if you consider that /dev/zero is literally a source for zeros | 03:44 |
| Kyral | You are basically filling the drive with zeros | 03:44 |
| Kyral | now more fun would be doing /dev/random and then /dev/zero | 03:44 |
| Burglaptop | ok | 03:45 |
| HrdwrBoB | urandum | 03:45 |
| HrdwrBoB | urandom | 03:45 |
| HrdwrBoB | unless you have a tapping bird | 03:45 |
| HrdwrBoB | .. and a long time to wait | 03:45 |
| Burglaptop | now I just need to find a tool to test cdroms | 03:46 |
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| Burglaptop | hey jsgotangco | 04:19 |
| jsgotangco | hey! | 04:21 |
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| crimsun | hope you feel better, jsgotangco | 04:23 |
| jsgotangco | thanks | 04:23 |
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| mhz | jsgotangco: what's up doc? stomachache? | 04:50 |
| jsgotangco | mhz, i dunno..i just feel heavy and bloated today... | 04:51 |
| jsgotangco | hope its not PMS | 04:51 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 04:51 |
| mhz | as long as it is not RMS :D | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | lol, I hate that ;-) | 04:52 |
| mhz | hehe | 04:52 |
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| Kyral | RMS is good | 04:53 |
| Kyral | I just don't wanna wind up like him | 04:53 |
| mhz | lol | 04:53 |
| mhz | you don't like his hair "cut", Kyral ? | 04:53 |
| mhz | oh, I bet is his "saint" custom! | 04:54 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: well, I'll try not to have many questions for you today | 04:54 |
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| mhz | jsgotangco: just to cheer ya up http://mhz.homelinux.org/elwiki/MauricioHernandez/FunPictures/CustomerService | 05:42 |
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| Madpilot | hi all | 07:51 |
| Burglaptop | salut Madpilot | 07:53 |
| Madpilot | hi Burglaptop - have a good weekend? | 07:53 |
| Burglaptop | indeed | 07:53 |
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| Madpilot | Burglaptop: any news on the ReLectronics stuff? | 07:58 |
| Burglaptop | Madpilot: going to be doing some more chatting this week with other Freegeeks and then with ReStore here in town | 07:59 |
| Burglaptop | I enjoying being able to make endless longdistance calls from work without cost | 08:00 |
| Madpilot | cool - you should blog something to planet.u.c about it | 08:00 |
| Burglaptop | I will, once I have something more solid | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | voip? | 08:01 |
| Burglaptop | jsgotangco: no, just big longdistance charges I never see | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | work benefits | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | i see | 08:02 |
| Burglaptop | and long calls for personal stuff get merged into the other long calls to libraries | 08:02 |
| Burglaptop | plus a personal 1-800 number (should I ask for a 1900 number next?) | 08:03 |
| Burglaptop | ;) | 08:03 |
| jsgotangco | 1-800-COREY | 08:03 |
| Burglaptop | too short | 08:04 |
| Burglaptop | 1-900-HOTCORY | 08:04 |
| Madpilot | ick ick ick | 08:04 |
| Madpilot | :P | 08:04 |
| Burglaptop | lol | 08:05 |
| robitaille | I guess I could do long-distance calls as well from my work phone... let people taxes pay for them :) | 08:09 |
| Burglaptop | "your tax dollars at work" | 08:10 |
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| robitaille | in practice, I'm too nice to do that obvious abuse of tax dollars. | 08:11 |
| Burglaptop | I feel less qualms about spending a few cents of my companies money | 08:12 |
| Burglaptop | they don't pay me enough to be that anal | 08:12 |
| jsgotangco | :P | 08:12 |
| jsgotangco | don't bite that much of the hand that feeds you | 08:12 |
| jsgotangco | just nibble a bit | 08:12 |
| Burglaptop | I won't, not that foolish (usually) | 08:13 |
| robitaille | that's my "problem": we get so much "ethics in government" stuff, you cann't do something like that without feeling guilty. So I don't, and everyone is happy. | 08:13 |
| Burglaptop | yes, gov't is very different that a private company. | 08:15 |
| robitaille | starting with that oath of allegeance to the Crown :) | 08:15 |
| Burglaptop | and the flogging | 08:15 |
| Burglaptop | did I mention the rum and the sodomy (or is that the navy?) | 08:16 |
| robitaille | they try to force Windows and Office on us. Is that enough of a punishment? | 08:16 |
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| Madpilot | that counts, I suspect :P | 08:17 |
| Burglaptop | so they flog you to take the sodomy of having to use windows and then they offer you rum to make the pain go away? | 08:17 |
| Burglaptop | anybody got their dapper machine handy? | 08:18 |
| robitaille | Burglaptop, yes | 08:19 |
| Madpilot | robitaille: have you tried that new Dapper installer? | 08:20 |
| Burglaptop | hmm, never mind | 08:20 |
| jsgotangco | robitaille, hmmm...have you noticed the MB article that you posted | 08:21 |
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| jsgotangco | the ads have gnome footprints | 08:21 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 08:21 |
| Burglaptop | jsgotangco: MB article? | 08:21 |
| robitaille | Madpilot, not yet. I plan to, but I have been busy recently. I did a normal install of Flight 4 just to say that I have done it on my laptop. | 08:21 |
| jsgotangco | http://www.mb.com.ph/INFO2006022056737.html | 08:21 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot, you mean express? | 08:22 |
| Madpilot | Espresso, or whatever it's called - I was just reading the Flight4 wiki page earlier today - looks very cool | 08:22 |
| Burglaptop | jsgotangco: espresso, please | 08:22 |
| robitaille | jsgotangco, I don't see the ads. Obviously my ad blocking method in firefox works :) | 08:22 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 08:23 |
| Burglaptop | Madpilot: when do I sign you up for the data-destroying install?' | 08:23 |
| Madpilot | Burglaptop: not this week, thanks :P | 08:23 |
| Burglaptop | really? ahh... | 08:23 |
| robitaille | http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/tips#lay_adblocking I highly recommend that simple method to block 99% of the ads out there | 08:24 |
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| Madpilot | The new Opera 9beta has a very, very slick adblocker built in - finally | 08:24 |
| Burglaptop | epip has a basic one for 1.9 | 08:24 |
| jsgotangco | i'll get opera for my DS soon | 08:24 |
| Burglaptop | the gcompris guys are looking at porting to the DS | 08:25 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco: the Nintendo thing? I saw the blurb on the Opera website about that | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 08:25 |
| Madpilot | I've got a hacked adblocker in Opera 8, it works well but it'll be nice to have it built into the browser finally | 08:26 |
| Burglaptop | at the rate work is going, the gcompris guys might have it running on the DS before my work will have it running on Fedora | 08:27 |
| Madpilot | what is gcompris? | 08:27 |
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| Burglaptop | kids edutainment | 08:28 |
| jsgotangco | its a colorful kiddie app | 08:28 |
| robitaille | My kids love some of the apps in gcompris. | 08:28 |
| jsgotangco | the art of gcompris needs polish though | 08:28 |
| robitaille | it's french for "I understand" by the way | 08:28 |
| robitaille | (phonetically) | 08:28 |
| Burglaptop | jsgotangco: would be nice if someone could step up and fund that | 08:29 |
| Burglaptop | find a community member with some art skills and develop an entire theme for it | 08:29 |
| jsgotangco | the api is said to be easy but i haven't really had time to learn it | 08:29 |
| Burglaptop | the gcompris guys and I were thinking about dedicated gcompris machines | 08:29 |
| jsgotangco | why not have it run on OLPC? | 08:30 |
| Burglaptop | I was thinking for the old P1s and p2s | 08:30 |
| Burglaptop | that would be cool | 08:30 |
| Madpilot | locked down "arcade" machines just running gcompris + some minimal Linux install? | 08:31 |
| Burglaptop | we were also thinking of creating and marketing a gcompris-appliance, but I have no idea what kind of market there would be | 08:31 |
| Burglaptop | robitaille: do you think the above might work? | 08:31 |
| jsgotangco | tux racer had an arcade machine product | 08:31 |
| Burglaptop | oh joy, isn't synaptics UI a fun one to talk about | 08:33 |
| robitaille | the market for gcompris are probably school labs, no? And family machines. In both case, you want to have other apps running than gcompris for flexibility. | 08:33 |
| Burglaptop | I was thinking some sort of single function gcompris device. Shiny and colourful, etc. | 08:33 |
| robitaille | gcompris is not that great that you want kids using only gcompris :) they will get bored | 08:33 |
| Burglaptop | gcompris would need some major activity development before that would happen | 08:34 |
| Burglaptop | anyway, I was just blueskying. Like I need more time intensive projects right now | 08:34 |
| jsgotangco | the apps are already solid but the art is hmmm | 08:34 |
| Burglaptop | we choose a bad day to announce flight 4 | 08:42 |
| jsgotangco | ? | 08:43 |
| Madpilot | Sunday is a bad day? | 08:43 |
| Burglaptop | yes, as no news places carry it | 08:44 |
| Burglaptop | Friday is much better time | 08:45 |
| mdke | sunday is quickly followed by monday though | 08:45 |
| Burglaptop | you really want to catch people on the weekend, when they have time to test it | 08:45 |
| Burglaptop | morning mdke | 08:45 |
| mdke | morning | 08:46 |
| Burglaptop | mdke: where are we at with the flash stuff? | 08:47 |
| jsgotangco | its always been a weekend annoucement lately... | 08:47 |
| manicka | Madpilot, thanks for the feedabck on userdocbeta :) | 08:47 |
| Burglaptop | we did get the main page of digg... | 08:48 |
| Madpilot | manicka: np | 08:48 |
| Burglaptop | actually, DapperFlight4 did | 08:48 |
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| robitaille | in my mind Flights shouldn't get wide announcements, only RCs and pre-releases. You don't want to many people going into what is still a somedays broken version of Ubuntu | 08:51 |
| Burglaptop | robitaille: depends on the audience. Flight announcements only go to -devel-announce and thus only get the geek press, which we want | 08:53 |
| jsgotangco | the forums are partly attributed to guerilla-style marketing | 08:55 |
| jsgotangco | either its good or not is subjective | 08:55 |
| Burglaptop | mdke: you raised the issue of mounted volumes not showing up on the desktop. Was that a bug or a policy decision? | 08:56 |
| mdke | Burglaptop, i still don't know. There are several bugs open about it | 08:57 |
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| mdke | Burglaptop, flash: I haven't heard anything since my last email last week, i think we've done our part now | 08:58 |
| Burglaptop | mdke: ok | 08:58 |
| robitaille | Burglaptop, since no developpers seem to have got involved in that discusion on the list, I think it is a policy from someone at the top :) | 08:58 |
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| robitaille | personally I prefer the new approach | 08:58 |
| Burglaptop | the problem becomes that of unmounting them | 08:59 |
| Burglaptop | it encourages people to just yank USB sticks out | 08:59 |
| robitaille | disk-mounter applet is available to put in the panel. That's what I do | 09:00 |
| robitaille | I never see icon on the desktop since I always maximize my windows anyway | 09:00 |
| Burglaptop | yes, but it is not installed by deafult and those I don't consider it a solution | 09:00 |
| mdke | i agree | 09:00 |
| mdke | robitaille, the bugs seem to show that at least seb wasn't aware of the decision | 09:01 |
| robitaille | then that applet should be a default | 09:01 |
| robitaille | mdke, malone number? | 09:01 |
| jsgotangco | gahhhh 47 spam in -doc just today | 09:01 |
| Burglaptop | hmm, I noticed I am now seeing gmail spam | 09:02 |
| Burglaptop | someone must have automated the invite procedure | 09:02 |
| mdke | robitaille, i don't have it on me | 09:02 |
| mdke | oh, 28991 | 09:02 |
| robitaille | mdke, I'll look for them. I was not aware there were bugs opened on this | 09:02 |
| robitaille | thanks | 09:03 |
| Madpilot | Burglaptop: spammed invites to gmail, or spam from gmail addresses? | 09:03 |
| mdke | 31331 | 09:03 |
| Burglaptop | Madpilot: spam for gmail | 09:03 |
| Burglaptop | addys | 09:04 |
| bhuvan | mdke: ping | 09:19 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, hmmm the server isn't building..or is it a one time cron job? | 09:28 |
| Burglaptop | oh, we just hit lxer | 09:36 |
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| Burglaptop | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3AAirports_in_Palestine&diff=25351526&oldid=24877552 | 09:46 |
| Burglaptop | what do people think of that edit (random question) | 09:46 |
| mpt__ | The "Note:" and the italics are probably unnecessary, other than that it's fine | 09:47 |
| mpt__ | (I realize neither of those things are yours) | 09:48 |
| Burglaptop | do you think the changed words are less provocative? | 09:48 |
| mpt__ | no | 09:48 |
| Madpilot | both versions are provocative - but the whole damn area is provocative, so what can you do? | 09:49 |
| Burglaptop | ya | 09:49 |
| Burglaptop | the original words are mine, although the software doesn't see as that (due to a copy paste bug) | 09:49 |
| jsgotangco | airports in palestine | 09:52 |
| Burglaptop | one of my old projects | 09:55 |
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| mdke | bhuvan, pong | 10:05 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, once a day | 10:05 |
| bhuvan | mdke, i have send the email! | 10:06 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, can it be triggered manually? | 10:06 |
| mdke | bhuvan, got it and replied :) | 10:06 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, yes | 10:06 |
| bhuvan | mdke, cool! | 10:06 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, which do you want, edubuntu? | 10:06 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 10:06 |
| mdke | ok | 10:06 |
| mdke | done | 10:07 |
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| Burglaptop | night all | 10:21 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: hi, you are working on the manual of g-a-i? | 10:22 |
| glatzor | should we include the help in the g-a-i sources or do you want to distribute it in a global ubuntu-doc package? | 10:22 |
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| jsgotangco | well we talked about it earlier, we'd prefer to have it inthe source package instead of the ubuntu-doc package | 10:23 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: fine. do you want to maintain the help in your svn repo? | 10:24 |
| jsgotangco | glatzor, just for a few more weeks its almost done anyway | 10:24 |
| jsgotangco | then after that i don't mind getting it from elsewhere | 10:24 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: this is no problem. i could ceck out your repository and include the manual into the g-a-i sources. | 10:26 |
| glatzor | the svn server is up again? | 10:26 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: could you please give my the URL. i lost it. | 10:27 |
| jsgotangco | https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/upstream/gnome/gnome-app-install/ | 10:27 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: do you know if anybody is working on an updated help for update-manager? | 10:29 |
| jsgotangco | glatzor, none that i know, the original author bailed out recently, do you want me to review it? | 10:31 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: this would be very nice. | 10:31 |
| glatzor | Have you already seen the dist-upgrade tool? | 10:32 |
| jsgotangco | nope not i haven't been up to speed with mvo's development lately | 10:32 |
| jsgotangco | i've seen the synaptic changes though | 10:32 |
| glatzor | i haven't tracked synaptic in the last time. | 10:33 |
| mvo | jsgotangco: glatzor is a big driving force here :) | 10:33 |
| jsgotangco | oohhh | 10:33 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: do you want to move the figures to the language subfolder C? | 10:33 |
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| jsgotangco | glatzor, hmmm...i'll move it | 10:34 |
| jsgotangco | i didn't notice it | 10:34 |
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| glatzor | jsgotangco: by the way conglomerate hasn't yet reached a usable state, or? I wrote the synatpci manual using emacs and it was a pain. | 10:37 |
| jsgotangco | i've been using bluefish and emacs too | 10:39 |
| jsgotangco | conglomerate is a pain for now | 10:39 |
| jsgotangco | hold on im booting to dapper and make the changes | 10:42 |
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| jsgotangco | glatzor, ok i should be able to update both manuals tonight | 10:47 |
| jsgotangco | u-m just needs some minor edits | 10:48 |
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| glatzor | jsgotangco: slow down. you don't need to hurry. | 11:25 |
| glatzor | it would be nice if you could make some comments if you find some nuisances or inconsistencies in the ui. | 11:27 |
| jsgotangco | yep i have to update this machine for staters :D | 11:29 |
| mdke | you'd better check that updates to the documentation are permitted by the string freeze conditions | 11:34 |
| mdke | it seems to me that the doc group doesn't apply the string freeze to them, but it's rather odd | 11:37 |
| mdke | because translation is still relevant | 11:37 |
| jsgotangco | you mean upstream? | 11:37 |
| jsgotangco | oh | 11:37 |
| mdke | yes, the gnome string freeze has passed already | 11:39 |
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| jsgotangco | the apps arent part of gnome yet i think | 11:48 |
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| glatzor | jsgotangco: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8948 | 12:06 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: you are fine with this omf file? | 12:06 |
| jsgotangco | are we sticking with that name? "Gnome-App-Install" | 12:08 |
| jsgotangco | mvo, are we sticking with that name "Gnome-App-Install"? | 12:10 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: You want a less technical term? | 12:11 |
| glatzor | "Application Manager", "Application Installer"? | 12:12 |
| jsgotangco | glatzor, not really, the application itself doesn't say G-A-I | 12:12 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: hm? I don't get this. | 12:13 |
| glatzor | Using the menu item name? | 12:14 |
| jsgotangco | in ubuntu, its just Applications->Add/Remove | 12:14 |
| jsgotangco | and the title bar of the app only says Add/Remove Applications | 12:14 |
| glatzor | ok. let us use "Add/Remove Appliations". you are ok with this? | 12:15 |
| glatzor | the term "applications" was skipped from the menu since the name would have been too long and the term app would have been duplicated in the top menu name | 12:16 |
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| jsgotangco | glatzor, i don't mind what its called, but i'm partial to make it have an intuitive name like Gnome Application Manager or the ones you mentioned... | 12:22 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: the term "Gnome" could be skipped. It is of no or minor value to the user. | 12:23 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 12:23 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: so should we take the menu item name or the other one? | 12:24 |
| glatzor | mvo: do you want to join the discussion? | 12:24 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: mvo: the build system is now in place. | 12:25 |
| mvo | glatzor: what bit excactly? | 12:26 |
| glatzor | What name we should use for g-a-i in the documentation. gnome-app-install is "ugly" and too technical. | 12:28 |
| glatzor | furthermore the app itself uses "add/remove applications" and not g-a-i | 12:28 |
| mvo | is "Add/remove applications" a good name? | 12:29 |
| glatzor | so should we use "Application Manager" or "Add/Remove Applications" | 12:29 |
| mvo | I personally like "application installer" | 12:29 |
| glatzor | mvo: ok. then we take this one. | 12:29 |
| mvo | but that is maybe too technical? | 12:29 |
| glatzor | mvo: oh, i refered to the "Add/remove" in my last post | 12:29 |
| glatzor | The problem is that g-a-i also removes apps. | 12:30 |
| glatzor | i don't like the idea of using an installer to unsinstall something | 12:30 |
| jsgotangco | oh the repository list was removed i didnt notice that | 12:31 |
| mvo | ok | 12:31 |
| mvo | that makes sense | 12:31 |
| glatzor | we could place the manual in the root of the applications direcotry in the yelp tree | 12:31 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: mvo: furthermore "install or remove applications" would be better than the char "/" | 12:34 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: mvo: you are fine with this? | 12:34 |
| jsgotangco | it does make sense though | 12:35 |
| glatzor | i am away for some minutes | 12:36 |
| jsgotangco | ok i'll make some minor edits to the doc the ping you | 12:36 |
| mvo | yes,that sounds good | 12:37 |
| jsgotangco | mvo, i'm confused here...what do we call it exactly? | 12:44 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: "Add or remove applications" | 12:44 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: "Install or remove applications" | 12:45 |
| glatzor | the later one | 12:45 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: or replace "or" by "and" | 12:45 |
| glatzor | "Install and remove applications" | 12:45 |
| glatzor | this is the final one | 12:45 |
| jsgotangco | ok that looks better | 12:47 |
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| glatzor | mvo: gdebi will go into main? if yes we could add a note to the g-a-i manual to install package files by double-clicking | 12:50 |
| mvo | I think it will, I have a ok from matt | 12:50 |
| glatzor | it will also be part of ubuntu-desktop? | 12:51 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: if the section or repository of an app is not in the sources.list a button appears in the description that allows to add the repository | 12:54 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: there is a also bug in the clearlooks theme. that is why you don't see if an app is installable or not. | 12:55 |
| glatzor | if you cannot install an app the checkbutton is insenstive. but clearlooks doesn't handle this case and draws an unchecked button | 12:55 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: i hope that this will be fixed soon. | 12:56 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: if you use another theme like e.g. raleigh you see the right behavior of the checkbutton | 12:56 |
| jsgotangco | hmm i see it | 12:59 |
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| glatzor | jsgotangco: gnome-app-install does not need to run as root at startup time anymore. so no neeed for "sudo gnome-app-install" | 01:33 |
| jsgotangco | yes i'm editing it now | 01:34 |
| jsgotangco | it only asks when its about to intsall an app | 01:34 |
| mvo | jsgotangco: or when it wants to add a channel/component | 01:44 |
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| jsgotangco | wow pngcrush is good | 02:29 |
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| jjesse | robotgeek_away: make sure you check out the new adept installer ofr the desktop guide, i will be adding it as part of the release notes | 03:01 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse, hey! | 03:03 |
| jjesse | hey jsgotangco | 03:03 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse, have you used pngcrush? | 03:04 |
| jjesse | jsgotangco nope | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse, download it then use it after taking a screenshot :D | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | it | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | it'll reduce the size of the image | 03:04 |
| jjesse | cool | 03:04 |
| jjesse | have you tried the new adept yet ? | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | nope...not yet..i'm finishing the g-a-i manual | 03:05 |
| jjesse | ah | 03:05 |
| jjesse | updating system right now | 03:05 |
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| Burgwork | http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/3375/106/ <-- we just got slammed | 06:50 |
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| LaserJock | Burgwork: OMG, I can | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | can't believe that guy didn't know he needed to bur .iso's | 06:54 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock, a common error and an honest mistake | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | why? all installation cd's are .iso's | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I guess I just assumed the guy had at least installed Linux once before | 06:57 |
| dsas | maybe he doesn't burn iso's too often......I remember burning the iso file onto the cd, rather than burning an iso image to cd. | 06:57 |
| dsas | s/burn isos/download iso | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | hmm, maybe I've just been at this game to long. I don't think I ever did that | 06:58 |
| dsas | heh, I did, after I'd installed linux a half dozen times, and considered myself a "power user" for a long time... | 06:59 |
| dsas | dragging and dropping an iso file in Nero doesn't/didn't do what you expect...at least I think it was nero. | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | hmm, so maybe the download page should have a little note saying that you need to a program capabable of burning .iso files? | 07:00 |
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| dsas | or a link to the installation help wiki page. | 07:28 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock, I will edit the master page later so that it links to that wiki page | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | I think they should have a note on the download pages itself IMHO | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | but then I've never really liked the Ubuntu website very much. So maybe it's just me | 07:32 |
| dsas | well hopefully it'll be fixed soon, there's a wikipage on it somewhere. | 07:34 |
| Burgwork | the ubuntu website is a mess, but I currently don;t have the time to fix it | 07:36 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: how many people work on the Ubuntu website? | 07:37 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock, currently just hendrik, but Mako and I have edit privs | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | I see | 07:39 |
| Burgwork | if you want to work on a specific page, I can copy it to the wiki and then you can edit it and I can copy it back | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | I don't think I have time right now, but I'll keep it in mind for the future | 07:40 |
| Burgwork | ok | 07:40 |
| LaserJock | I've been looking at some of the -sounder emails | 07:41 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock, edited the main page, should be up with an hour or so | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | cool | 07:51 |
| mdke | you can ping me for edits too | 08:07 |
| Burgwork | salut mdke | 08:07 |
| mdke | hiya | 08:07 |
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| Burgwork | funny how Ubuntu/Fedora/Suse have synced up so they all release alphas within 3 days of each other | 09:33 |
| mdke | who knows why we still have the gnome-user-guide in our repo | 09:35 |
| mdke | ? | 09:35 |
| mdke | js | 09:35 |
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| Burgwork | kill it | 09:36 |
| Burgwork | it is old and we agreed to nuke upstream stuff a while back | 09:36 |
| mdke | ok that sounds right | 09:38 |
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| jjesse | test message | 10:14 |
| mdke | jjesse, successful | 10:16 |
| jjesse | thanks | 10:18 |
| Burgwork | mdke, ouch --> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiLicenseTalk | 10:46 |
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| mdke | Burgwork, looks a bit anal to me | 11:42 |
| Burgwork | mdke, change licenses is a mess and needs to be anal | 11:44 |
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