=== Madpilot [n=bburger@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bshumate [n=bshumate@ubuntu/member/bshumate] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:41] hi bshumate and Burglaptop [12:42] salut LaserJock [12:58] hmm, is there a XML to plain text converter? [01:09] LaserJock: look on your system for a xml2 utility [01:19] Burglaptop: yeah, I was doing it on an OSX machine and didn't see any xml2 stuff. I just used a quick python script from the Python Cookbook [01:51] Kyral: ok, are you working on basic.xml? [01:51] NO [01:51] damn caps [01:51] no [01:51] mistakes.xml [01:52] have you updated your repo? I thought I got rid of that [01:52] I did [01:52] it had # # [01:53] meaning it was a backup file [01:53] where is the error checking file now... [01:53] basic.xml [01:54] Ah I see it [01:54] cut and paste time :D [01:54] yeah [01:54] I just added a small line to see if I got the hang of it [01:54] I'll diff it now and send it to you [01:55] Want me to remove that backup file too? [01:56] yeah, because that is yours not the repos. do "svn status" [01:56] yah one file modded, the basic.xml [01:57] ok, so did you get rid of the # # file? [01:57] Yah....but its not showing up in the diff [01:57] LJ Email? [01:57] mantha@u.c [02:01] sent [02:02] I dunno if I did the formatting right...Bluefish showed me the Ordered List thing, which I thought would be a good idea for the ErrorChecking thing [02:07] Kyral: what directory did you do svn diff in? [02:07] ~ [02:07] which is right above ubuntu-doc [02:08] Kyral: it is easier if you run it in the actual directory of the file [02:08] oh [02:08] I had to go to ~ to apply it or change the -p flag [02:11] Kyral: anyway, if you want to work on that, check out http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Reviewing [02:14] mkay [02:15] Kyral: and send me a diff whenever your done with a decent chunk. ;-) [02:30] LaserJock: do you know of any open source tools to do low level formatting of a hdd? [02:31] Burglaptop: oh geeze. I don't. Kyral, your the CS major. Do you know? [02:41] dd? [02:42] something like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ === MacMon [n=MacMon@65.243.190.71.olypen.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === MacMon [n=MacMon@65.243.190.71.olypen.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-137-47.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:33] Kyral: how easy is it recover data after that operation? (I want it to be as hard as possible) [03:37] and is there a nice wrapper script that detects all harddrives on the system and then formats them in sequence? (I could write one, but am lazy) [03:38] never mind, just found dban [03:43] Burglaptop: umm [03:44] if you consider that /dev/zero is literally a source for zeros [03:44] You are basically filling the drive with zeros [03:44] now more fun would be doing /dev/random and then /dev/zero [03:45] ok [03:45] urandum [03:45] urandom [03:45] unless you have a tapping bird [03:45] .. and a long time to wait [03:46] now I just need to find a tool to test cdroms === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp134-160.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:19] hey jsgotangco [04:21] hey! === jsgotangco isnt feeling well and just staying at home [04:23] hope you feel better, jsgotangco [04:23] thanks === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp134-160.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:50] jsgotangco: what's up doc? stomachache? [04:51] mhz, i dunno..i just feel heavy and bloated today... [04:51] hope its not PMS [04:51] :D [04:51] as long as it is not RMS :D [04:52] lol, I hate that ;-) [04:52] hehe === mhz confesses he has no complaints against RMS, just in case. [04:53] RMS is good [04:53] I just don't wanna wind up like him [04:53] lol [04:53] you don't like his hair "cut", Kyral ? [04:54] oh, I bet is his "saint" custom! [04:54] jsgotangco: well, I'll try not to have many questions for you today === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:42] jsgotangco: just to cheer ya up http://mhz.homelinux.org/elwiki/MauricioHernandez/FunPictures/CustomerService === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp134-160.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=bburger@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@59.92.46.18] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan_ is now known as knockout === knockout is now known as bhuvan === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp134-160.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-158-15.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:51] hi all [07:53] salut Madpilot [07:53] hi Burglaptop - have a good weekend? [07:53] indeed === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@59.92.46.18] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:58] Burglaptop: any news on the ReLectronics stuff? [07:59] Madpilot: going to be doing some more chatting this week with other Freegeeks and then with ReStore here in town [08:00] I enjoying being able to make endless longdistance calls from work without cost [08:00] cool - you should blog something to planet.u.c about it [08:01] I will, once I have something more solid [08:01] voip? [08:02] jsgotangco: no, just big longdistance charges I never see [08:02] work benefits [08:02] i see [08:02] and long calls for personal stuff get merged into the other long calls to libraries [08:03] plus a personal 1-800 number (should I ask for a 1900 number next?) [08:03] ;) [08:03] 1-800-COREY [08:04] too short [08:04] 1-900-HOTCORY [08:04] ick ick ick [08:04] :P [08:05] lol [08:09] I guess I could do long-distance calls as well from my work phone... let people taxes pay for them :) [08:10] "your tax dollars at work" === bhuvan_ is now known as bhuvan [08:11] in practice, I'm too nice to do that obvious abuse of tax dollars. [08:12] I feel less qualms about spending a few cents of my companies money [08:12] they don't pay me enough to be that anal [08:12] :P [08:12] don't bite that much of the hand that feeds you [08:12] just nibble a bit [08:13] I won't, not that foolish (usually) [08:13] that's my "problem": we get so much "ethics in government" stuff, you cann't do something like that without feeling guilty. So I don't, and everyone is happy. [08:15] yes, gov't is very different that a private company. [08:15] starting with that oath of allegeance to the Crown :) [08:15] and the flogging [08:16] did I mention the rum and the sodomy (or is that the navy?) [08:16] they try to force Windows and Office on us. Is that enough of a punishment? === Kamping_Kaise1 [n=Kaiser@ppp134-160.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:17] that counts, I suspect :P [08:17] so they flog you to take the sodomy of having to use windows and then they offer you rum to make the pain go away? [08:18] anybody got their dapper machine handy? [08:19] Burglaptop, yes [08:20] robitaille: have you tried that new Dapper installer? [08:20] hmm, never mind [08:21] robitaille, hmmm...have you noticed the MB article that you posted === Madpilot [n=bburger@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:21] the ads have gnome footprints [08:21] heh [08:21] jsgotangco: MB article? [08:21] Madpilot, not yet. I plan to, but I have been busy recently. I did a normal install of Flight 4 just to say that I have done it on my laptop. [08:21] http://www.mb.com.ph/INFO2006022056737.html [08:22] Madpilot, you mean express? [08:22] Espresso, or whatever it's called - I was just reading the Flight4 wiki page earlier today - looks very cool [08:22] jsgotangco: espresso, please [08:22] jsgotangco, I don't see the ads. Obviously my ad blocking method in firefox works :) [08:23] lol [08:23] Madpilot: when do I sign you up for the data-destroying install?' [08:23] Burglaptop: not this week, thanks :P [08:23] really? ahh... [08:24] http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/tips#lay_adblocking I highly recommend that simple method to block 99% of the ads out there === Kamping_Kaise1 [n=Kaiser@ppp134-160.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:24] The new Opera 9beta has a very, very slick adblocker built in - finally [08:24] epip has a basic one for 1.9 [08:24] i'll get opera for my DS soon [08:25] the gcompris guys are looking at porting to the DS [08:25] jsgotangco: the Nintendo thing? I saw the blurb on the Opera website about that [08:25] yeah [08:26] I've got a hacked adblocker in Opera 8, it works well but it'll be nice to have it built into the browser finally [08:27] at the rate work is going, the gcompris guys might have it running on the DS before my work will have it running on Fedora [08:27] what is gcompris? === Madpilot would rather ask than google... ;P [08:28] kids edutainment [08:28] its a colorful kiddie app [08:28] My kids love some of the apps in gcompris. [08:28] the art of gcompris needs polish though [08:28] it's french for "I understand" by the way [08:28] (phonetically) [08:29] jsgotangco: would be nice if someone could step up and fund that [08:29] find a community member with some art skills and develop an entire theme for it [08:29] the api is said to be easy but i haven't really had time to learn it [08:29] the gcompris guys and I were thinking about dedicated gcompris machines [08:30] why not have it run on OLPC? [08:30] I was thinking for the old P1s and p2s [08:30] that would be cool [08:31] locked down "arcade" machines just running gcompris + some minimal Linux install? [08:31] we were also thinking of creating and marketing a gcompris-appliance, but I have no idea what kind of market there would be [08:31] robitaille: do you think the above might work? [08:31] tux racer had an arcade machine product [08:33] oh joy, isn't synaptics UI a fun one to talk about [08:33] the market for gcompris are probably school labs, no? And family machines. In both case, you want to have other apps running than gcompris for flexibility. [08:33] I was thinking some sort of single function gcompris device. Shiny and colourful, etc. [08:33] gcompris is not that great that you want kids using only gcompris :) they will get bored [08:34] gcompris would need some major activity development before that would happen [08:34] anyway, I was just blueskying. Like I need more time intensive projects right now [08:34] the apps are already solid but the art is hmmm [08:42] we choose a bad day to announce flight 4 [08:43] ? [08:43] Sunday is a bad day? [08:44] yes, as no news places carry it [08:45] Friday is much better time [08:45] sunday is quickly followed by monday though [08:45] you really want to catch people on the weekend, when they have time to test it [08:45] morning mdke [08:46] morning [08:47] mdke: where are we at with the flash stuff? [08:47] its always been a weekend annoucement lately... [08:47] Madpilot, thanks for the feedabck on userdocbeta :) [08:48] we did get the main page of digg... [08:48] manicka: np [08:48] actually, DapperFlight4 did === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-158-216.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:51] in my mind Flights shouldn't get wide announcements, only RCs and pre-releases. You don't want to many people going into what is still a somedays broken version of Ubuntu [08:53] robitaille: depends on the audience. Flight announcements only go to -devel-announce and thus only get the geek press, which we want [08:55] the forums are partly attributed to guerilla-style marketing [08:55] either its good or not is subjective [08:56] mdke: you raised the issue of mounted volumes not showing up on the desktop. Was that a bug or a policy decision? [08:57] Burglaptop, i still don't know. There are several bugs open about it === Madpilot [n=bburger@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:58] Burglaptop, flash: I haven't heard anything since my last email last week, i think we've done our part now [08:58] mdke: ok [08:58] Burglaptop, since no developpers seem to have got involved in that discusion on the list, I think it is a policy from someone at the top :) === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-176-195.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:58] personally I prefer the new approach [08:59] the problem becomes that of unmounting them [08:59] it encourages people to just yank USB sticks out [09:00] disk-mounter applet is available to put in the panel. That's what I do [09:00] I never see icon on the desktop since I always maximize my windows anyway [09:00] yes, but it is not installed by deafult and those I don't consider it a solution [09:00] i agree [09:01] robitaille, the bugs seem to show that at least seb wasn't aware of the decision [09:01] then that applet should be a default [09:01] mdke, malone number? [09:01] gahhhh 47 spam in -doc just today [09:02] hmm, I noticed I am now seeing gmail spam [09:02] someone must have automated the invite procedure [09:02] robitaille, i don't have it on me [09:02] oh, 28991 [09:02] mdke, I'll look for them. I was not aware there were bugs opened on this [09:03] thanks [09:03] Burglaptop: spammed invites to gmail, or spam from gmail addresses? [09:03] 31331 [09:03] Madpilot: spam for gmail [09:04] addys [09:19] mdke: ping [09:28] mdke, hmmm the server isn't building..or is it a one time cron job? [09:36] oh, we just hit lxer === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-136-194.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3AAirports_in_Palestine&diff=25351526&oldid=24877552 [09:46] what do people think of that edit (random question) [09:47] The "Note:" and the italics are probably unnecessary, other than that it's fine [09:48] (I realize neither of those things are yours) [09:48] do you think the changed words are less provocative? [09:48] no [09:49] both versions are provocative - but the whole damn area is provocative, so what can you do? [09:49] ya [09:49] the original words are mine, although the software doesn't see as that (due to a copy paste bug) [09:52] airports in palestine [09:55] one of my old projects === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.123.165] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:05] bhuvan, pong [10:05] jsgotangco, once a day [10:06] mdke, i have send the email! [10:06] mdke, can it be triggered manually? [10:06] bhuvan, got it and replied :) [10:06] jsgotangco, yes [10:06] mdke, cool! [10:06] jsgotangco, which do you want, edubuntu? [10:06] yes [10:06] ok [10:07] done === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-75-114.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:21] night all [10:22] jsgotangco: hi, you are working on the manual of g-a-i? [10:22] should we include the help in the g-a-i sources or do you want to distribute it in a global ubuntu-doc package? === mvo [n=egon@p54A64B45.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:23] well we talked about it earlier, we'd prefer to have it inthe source package instead of the ubuntu-doc package [10:24] jsgotangco: fine. do you want to maintain the help in your svn repo? [10:24] glatzor, just for a few more weeks its almost done anyway [10:24] then after that i don't mind getting it from elsewhere [10:26] jsgotangco: this is no problem. i could ceck out your repository and include the manual into the g-a-i sources. [10:26] the svn server is up again? [10:27] jsgotangco: could you please give my the URL. i lost it. [10:27] https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/upstream/gnome/gnome-app-install/ [10:29] jsgotangco: do you know if anybody is working on an updated help for update-manager? [10:31] glatzor, none that i know, the original author bailed out recently, do you want me to review it? [10:31] jsgotangco: this would be very nice. [10:32] Have you already seen the dist-upgrade tool? [10:32] nope not i haven't been up to speed with mvo's development lately [10:32] i've seen the synaptic changes though [10:33] i haven't tracked synaptic in the last time. [10:33] jsgotangco: glatzor is a big driving force here :) [10:33] oohhh [10:33] jsgotangco: do you want to move the figures to the language subfolder C? === glatzor gets a red head === glatzor is mvo's protg. :) [10:34] glatzor, hmmm...i'll move it [10:34] i didn't notice it === jsgotangco moves [10:37] jsgotangco: by the way conglomerate hasn't yet reached a usable state, or? I wrote the synatpci manual using emacs and it was a pain. [10:39] i've been using bluefish and emacs too [10:39] conglomerate is a pain for now [10:42] hold on im booting to dapper and make the changes === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:47] glatzor, ok i should be able to update both manuals tonight [10:48] u-m just needs some minor edits === pingu64 [n=jsg@125.212.123.165] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:25] jsgotangco: slow down. you don't need to hurry. [11:27] it would be nice if you could make some comments if you find some nuisances or inconsistencies in the ui. [11:29] yep i have to update this machine for staters :D [11:34] you'd better check that updates to the documentation are permitted by the string freeze conditions [11:37] it seems to me that the doc group doesn't apply the string freeze to them, but it's rather odd [11:37] because translation is still relevant [11:37] you mean upstream? [11:37] oh [11:39] yes, the gnome string freeze has passed already === mdke emails to find out [11:48] the apps arent part of gnome yet i think === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-136-194.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has left #ubuntu-doc ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:06] jsgotangco: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8948 [12:06] jsgotangco: you are fine with this omf file? [12:08] are we sticking with that name? "Gnome-App-Install" [12:10] mvo, are we sticking with that name "Gnome-App-Install"? [12:11] jsgotangco: You want a less technical term? [12:12] "Application Manager", "Application Installer"? [12:12] glatzor, not really, the application itself doesn't say G-A-I [12:13] jsgotangco: hm? I don't get this. [12:14] Using the menu item name? [12:14] in ubuntu, its just Applications->Add/Remove [12:14] and the title bar of the app only says Add/Remove Applications [12:15] ok. let us use "Add/Remove Appliations". you are ok with this? [12:16] the term "applications" was skipped from the menu since the name would have been too long and the term app would have been duplicated in the top menu name === HrdwrBoB_ [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:22] glatzor, i don't mind what its called, but i'm partial to make it have an intuitive name like Gnome Application Manager or the ones you mentioned... [12:23] jsgotangco: the term "Gnome" could be skipped. It is of no or minor value to the user. [12:23] yeah [12:24] jsgotangco: so should we take the menu item name or the other one? [12:24] mvo: do you want to join the discussion? [12:25] jsgotangco: mvo: the build system is now in place. [12:26] glatzor: what bit excactly? [12:28] What name we should use for g-a-i in the documentation. gnome-app-install is "ugly" and too technical. [12:28] furthermore the app itself uses "add/remove applications" and not g-a-i [12:29] is "Add/remove applications" a good name? [12:29] so should we use "Application Manager" or "Add/Remove Applications" [12:29] I personally like "application installer" [12:29] mvo: ok. then we take this one. [12:29] but that is maybe too technical? [12:29] mvo: oh, i refered to the "Add/remove" in my last post [12:30] The problem is that g-a-i also removes apps. [12:30] i don't like the idea of using an installer to unsinstall something [12:31] oh the repository list was removed i didnt notice that [12:31] ok [12:31] that makes sense [12:31] we could place the manual in the root of the applications direcotry in the yelp tree [12:34] jsgotangco: mvo: furthermore "install or remove applications" would be better than the char "/" [12:34] jsgotangco: mvo: you are fine with this? [12:35] it does make sense though [12:36] i am away for some minutes [12:36] ok i'll make some minor edits to the doc the ping you [12:37] yes,that sounds good [12:44] mvo, i'm confused here...what do we call it exactly? [12:44] jsgotangco: "Add or remove applications" [12:45] jsgotangco: "Install or remove applications" [12:45] the later one [12:45] jsgotangco: or replace "or" by "and" [12:45] "Install and remove applications" [12:45] this is the final one [12:47] ok that looks better === mvo nods [12:50] mvo: gdebi will go into main? if yes we could add a note to the g-a-i manual to install package files by double-clicking [12:50] I think it will, I have a ok from matt [12:51] it will also be part of ubuntu-desktop? [12:54] jsgotangco: if the section or repository of an app is not in the sources.list a button appears in the description that allows to add the repository [12:55] jsgotangco: there is a also bug in the clearlooks theme. that is why you don't see if an app is installable or not. [12:55] if you cannot install an app the checkbutton is insenstive. but clearlooks doesn't handle this case and draws an unchecked button [12:56] jsgotangco: i hope that this will be fixed soon. [12:56] jsgotangco: if you use another theme like e.g. raleigh you see the right behavior of the checkbutton [12:59] hmm i see it === pingu64 [n=jsg@125.212.126.231] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:33] jsgotangco: gnome-app-install does not need to run as root at startup time anymore. so no neeed for "sudo gnome-app-install" [01:34] yes i'm editing it now [01:34] it only asks when its about to intsall an app [01:44] jsgotangco: or when it wants to add a channel/component === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:29] wow pngcrush is good === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:01] robotgeek_away: make sure you check out the new adept installer ofr the desktop guide, i will be adding it as part of the release notes [03:03] jjesse, hey! [03:03] hey jsgotangco [03:04] jjesse, have you used pngcrush? [03:04] jsgotangco nope [03:04] jjesse, download it then use it after taking a screenshot :D [03:04] it [03:04] it'll reduce the size of the image [03:04] cool [03:04] have you tried the new adept yet ? [03:05] nope...not yet..i'm finishing the g-a-i manual [03:05] ah [03:05] updating system right now === mkde [i=Lore@sourpuss.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@adsl-68-255-184-228.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mvo [n=egon@p54A64B45.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === apokryphos [n=apokryph@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:50] http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/3375/106/ <-- we just got slammed === dsas [n=dean@host81-129-228-69.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:54] Burgwork: OMG, I can [06:54] can't believe that guy didn't know he needed to bur .iso's [06:54] LaserJock, a common error and an honest mistake [06:56] why? all installation cd's are .iso's [06:57] hmm, I guess I just assumed the guy had at least installed Linux once before [06:57] maybe he doesn't burn iso's too often......I remember burning the iso file onto the cd, rather than burning an iso image to cd. [06:58] s/burn isos/download iso [06:58] hmm, maybe I've just been at this game to long. I don't think I ever did that [06:59] heh, I did, after I'd installed linux a half dozen times, and considered myself a "power user" for a long time... [06:59] dragging and dropping an iso file in Nero doesn't/didn't do what you expect...at least I think it was nero. [07:00] hmm, so maybe the download page should have a little note saying that you need to a program capabable of burning .iso files? === ompaul [n=ompaul@193.203.134.212] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:28] or a link to the installation help wiki page. [07:31] LaserJock, I will edit the master page later so that it links to that wiki page [07:31] I think they should have a note on the download pages itself IMHO [07:32] but then I've never really liked the Ubuntu website very much. So maybe it's just me [07:34] well hopefully it'll be fixed soon, there's a wikipage on it somewhere. [07:36] the ubuntu website is a mess, but I currently don;t have the time to fix it [07:37] Burgwork: how many people work on the Ubuntu website? [07:39] LaserJock, currently just hendrik, but Mako and I have edit privs [07:39] I see [07:39] if you want to work on a specific page, I can copy it to the wiki and then you can edit it and I can copy it back [07:40] I don't think I have time right now, but I'll keep it in mind for the future [07:40] ok [07:41] I've been looking at some of the -sounder emails [07:50] LaserJock, edited the main page, should be up with an hour or so [07:51] cool [08:07] you can ping me for edits too [08:07] salut mdke [08:07] hiya === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [09:33] funny how Ubuntu/Fedora/Suse have synced up so they all release alphas within 3 days of each other [09:35] who knows why we still have the gnome-user-guide in our repo [09:35] ? [09:35] js === mdke fails tab completion [09:36] kill it [09:36] it is old and we agreed to nuke upstream stuff a while back [09:38] ok that sounds right === mdke nukes === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@193.203.134.212] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:14] test message [10:16] jjesse, successful [10:18] thanks [10:46] mdke, ouch --> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiLicenseTalk === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-183-147.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:42] Burgwork, looks a bit anal to me [11:44] mdke, change licenses is a mess and needs to be anal === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-133-129.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek is finally done with the moving, yay