[12:41] <LaserJock> hi bshumate and Burglaptop 
[12:42] <Burglaptop> salut LaserJock
[12:58] <LaserJock> hmm, is there a XML to plain text converter?
[01:09] <Burglaptop> LaserJock: look on your system for a xml2 utility
[01:19] <LaserJock> Burglaptop: yeah, I was doing it on an OSX machine and didn't see any xml2 stuff. I just used a quick python script from the Python Cookbook
[01:51] <LaserJock> Kyral: ok, are you working on basic.xml?
[01:51] <Kyral> NO
[01:51] <Kyral> damn caps
[01:51] <Kyral> no
[01:51] <Kyral> mistakes.xml
[01:52] <LaserJock> have you updated your repo? I thought I got rid of that
[01:52] <Kyral> I did
[01:52] <Kyral> it had # #
[01:53] <Kyral> meaning it was a backup file
[01:53] <Kyral> where is the error checking file now...
[01:53] <LaserJock> basic.xml
[01:54] <Kyral> Ah I see it
[01:54] <Kyral> cut and paste time :D
[01:54] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:54] <Kyral> I just added a small line to see if I got the hang of it
[01:54] <Kyral> I'll diff it now and send it to you
[01:55] <Kyral> Want me to remove that backup file too?
[01:56] <LaserJock> yeah, because that is yours not the repos. do "svn status"
[01:56] <Kyral> yah one file modded, the basic.xml
[01:57] <LaserJock> ok, so did you get rid of the # # file?
[01:57] <Kyral> Yah....but its not showing up in the diff
[01:57] <Kyral> LJ Email?
[01:57] <LaserJock> mantha@u.c
[02:01] <Kyral> sent
[02:02] <Kyral> I dunno if I did the formatting right...Bluefish showed me the Ordered List thing, which I thought would be a good idea for the ErrorChecking thing
[02:07] <LaserJock> Kyral: what directory did you do svn diff in?
[02:07] <Kyral> ~
[02:07] <Kyral> which is right above ubuntu-doc
[02:08] <LaserJock> Kyral: it is easier if you run it in the actual directory of the file
[02:08] <Kyral> oh
[02:08] <LaserJock> I had to go to ~ to apply it or change the -p flag
[02:11] <LaserJock> Kyral: anyway, if you want to work on that, check out http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Reviewing
[02:14] <Kyral> mkay
[02:15] <LaserJock> Kyral: and send me a diff whenever your done with a decent chunk. ;-)
[02:30] <Burglaptop> LaserJock: do you know of any open source tools to do low level formatting of a hdd?
[02:31] <LaserJock> Burglaptop: oh geeze. I don't. Kyral, your the CS major. Do you know?
[02:41] <Kyral> dd?
[02:42] <Kyral> something like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<hdd you wanna nuke>
[03:33] <Burglaptop> Kyral: how easy is it recover data after that operation? (I want it to be as hard as possible)
[03:37] <Burglaptop> and is there a nice wrapper script that detects all harddrives on the system and then formats them in sequence? (I could write one, but am lazy)
[03:38] <Burglaptop> never mind, just found dban
[03:43] <Kyral> Burglaptop: umm
[03:44] <Kyral> if you consider that /dev/zero is literally a source for zeros
[03:44] <Kyral> You are basically filling the drive with zeros
[03:44] <Kyral> now more fun would be doing /dev/random and then /dev/zero
[03:45] <Burglaptop> ok
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> urandum
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> urandom
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> unless you have a tapping bird
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> .. and a long time to wait
[03:46] <Burglaptop> now I just need to find a tool to test cdroms
[04:19] <Burglaptop> hey jsgotangco
[04:21] <jsgotangco> hey!
[04:23] <crimsun> hope you feel better, jsgotangco 
[04:23] <jsgotangco> thanks
[04:50] <mhz> jsgotangco: what's up doc? stomachache?
[04:51] <jsgotangco> mhz, i dunno..i just feel heavy and bloated today...
[04:51] <jsgotangco> hope its not PMS
[04:51] <jsgotangco> :D
[04:51] <mhz> as long as it is not RMS :D
[04:52] <LaserJock> lol, I hate that ;-)
[04:52] <mhz> hehe
[04:53] <Kyral> RMS is good
[04:53] <Kyral> I just don't wanna wind up like him
[04:53] <mhz> lol
[04:53] <mhz> you don't like his hair "cut", Kyral ?
[04:54] <mhz> oh, I bet is his "saint" custom!
[04:54] <mhz> jsgotangco: well, I'll try not to have many questions for you today
[05:42] <mhz> jsgotangco: just to cheer ya up http://mhz.homelinux.org/elwiki/MauricioHernandez/FunPictures/CustomerService
[07:51] <Madpilot> hi all
[07:53] <Burglaptop> salut Madpilot
[07:53] <Madpilot> hi Burglaptop - have a good weekend?
[07:53] <Burglaptop> indeed
[07:58] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: any news on the ReLectronics stuff?
[07:59] <Burglaptop> Madpilot: going to be doing some more chatting this week with other Freegeeks and then with ReStore here in town
[08:00] <Burglaptop> I enjoying being able to make endless longdistance calls from work without cost
[08:00] <Madpilot> cool - you should blog something to planet.u.c about it
[08:01] <Burglaptop> I will, once I have something more solid
[08:01] <jsgotangco> voip?
[08:02] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: no, just big longdistance charges I never see
[08:02] <jsgotangco> work benefits
[08:02] <jsgotangco> i see
[08:02] <Burglaptop> and long calls for personal stuff get merged into the other long calls to libraries
[08:03] <Burglaptop> plus a personal 1-800 number (should I ask for a 1900 number next?)
[08:03] <Burglaptop> ;)
[08:03] <jsgotangco> 1-800-COREY
[08:04] <Burglaptop> too short
[08:04] <Burglaptop> 1-900-HOTCORY
[08:04] <Madpilot> ick ick ick
[08:04] <Madpilot> :P
[08:05] <Burglaptop> lol
[08:09] <robitaille> I guess I could do long-distance calls as well from my work phone... let people taxes pay for them :)
[08:10] <Burglaptop> "your tax dollars at work"
[08:11] <robitaille> in practice, I'm too nice to do that obvious abuse of tax dollars.  
[08:12] <Burglaptop> I feel less qualms about spending a few cents of my companies money
[08:12] <Burglaptop> they don't pay me enough to be that anal
[08:12] <jsgotangco> :P
[08:12] <jsgotangco> don't bite that much of the hand that feeds you
[08:12] <jsgotangco> just nibble a bit
[08:13] <Burglaptop> I won't, not that foolish (usually)
[08:13] <robitaille> that's my "problem": we get so much "ethics in government" stuff, you cann't do something like that without feeling guilty. So I don't, and everyone is happy.
[08:15] <Burglaptop> yes, gov't is very different that a private company.
[08:15] <robitaille> starting with that oath of allegeance to the Crown :)
[08:15] <Burglaptop> and the flogging
[08:16] <Burglaptop> did I mention the rum and the sodomy (or is that the navy?)
[08:16] <robitaille> they try to force Windows and Office on us.  Is that enough of a punishment?
[08:17] <Madpilot> that counts, I suspect :P
[08:17] <Burglaptop> so they flog you to take the sodomy of having to use windows and then they offer you rum to make the pain go away?
[08:18] <Burglaptop> anybody got their dapper machine handy?
[08:19] <robitaille> Burglaptop,  yes
[08:20] <Madpilot> robitaille: have you tried that new Dapper installer?
[08:20] <Burglaptop> hmm, never mind
[08:21] <jsgotangco> robitaille, hmmm...have you noticed the MB article that you posted
[08:21] <jsgotangco> the ads have gnome footprints
[08:21] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:21] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: MB article?
[08:21] <robitaille> Madpilot,  not yet.  I plan to, but I have been busy recently.  I did a normal install of Flight 4 just to say that I have done it on my laptop.
[08:21] <jsgotangco> http://www.mb.com.ph/INFO2006022056737.html
[08:22] <jsgotangco> Madpilot, you mean express?
[08:22] <Madpilot> Espresso, or whatever it's called - I was just reading the Flight4 wiki page earlier today - looks very cool
[08:22] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: espresso, please
[08:22] <robitaille> jsgotangco,  I don't see the ads.  Obviously my ad blocking method in firefox works :)
[08:23] <jsgotangco> lol
[08:23] <Burglaptop> Madpilot: when do I sign you up for the data-destroying install?'
[08:23] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: not this week, thanks :P
[08:23] <Burglaptop> really? ahh...
[08:24] <robitaille> http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/tips#lay_adblocking    I highly recommend that simple method to block 99% of the ads out there
[08:24] <Madpilot> The new Opera 9beta has a very, very slick adblocker built in - finally
[08:24] <Burglaptop> epip has a basic one for 1.9
[08:24] <jsgotangco> i'll get opera for my DS soon
[08:25] <Burglaptop> the gcompris guys are looking at porting to the DS
[08:25] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: the Nintendo thing? I saw the blurb on the Opera website about that
[08:25] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:26] <Madpilot> I've got a hacked adblocker in Opera 8, it works well but it'll be nice to have it built into the browser finally
[08:27] <Burglaptop> at the rate work is going, the gcompris guys might have it running on the DS before my work will have it running on Fedora
[08:27] <Madpilot> what is gcompris?
[08:28] <Burglaptop> kids edutainment
[08:28] <jsgotangco> its a colorful kiddie app
[08:28] <robitaille> My kids love some of the apps in gcompris.
[08:28] <jsgotangco> the art of gcompris needs polish though
[08:28] <robitaille> it's french for "I understand" by the way
[08:28] <robitaille> (phonetically)
[08:29] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: would be nice if someone could step up and fund that
[08:29] <Burglaptop> find a community member with some art skills and develop an entire theme for it
[08:29] <jsgotangco> the api is said to be easy but i haven't really had time to learn it
[08:29] <Burglaptop> the gcompris guys and I were thinking about dedicated gcompris machines
[08:30] <jsgotangco> why not have it run on OLPC?
[08:30] <Burglaptop> I was thinking for the old P1s and p2s
[08:30] <Burglaptop> that would be cool
[08:31] <Madpilot> locked down "arcade" machines just running gcompris + some minimal Linux install?
[08:31] <Burglaptop> we were also thinking of creating and marketing a gcompris-appliance, but I have no idea what kind of market there would be
[08:31] <Burglaptop> robitaille: do you think the above might work?
[08:31] <jsgotangco> tux racer had an arcade machine product
[08:33] <Burglaptop> oh joy, isn't synaptics UI a fun one to talk about
[08:33] <robitaille> the market for gcompris are probably school labs, no?  And family machines.  In both case, you want to have other apps running than gcompris for flexibility.
[08:33] <Burglaptop> I was thinking some sort of single function gcompris device. Shiny and colourful, etc.
[08:33] <robitaille> gcompris is not that great that you want kids using only gcompris :)  they will get bored
[08:34] <Burglaptop> gcompris would need some major activity development before that would happen
[08:34] <Burglaptop> anyway, I was just blueskying. Like I need more time intensive projects right now
[08:34] <jsgotangco> the apps are already solid but the art is hmmm
[08:42] <Burglaptop> we choose a bad day to announce flight 4
[08:43] <jsgotangco> ?
[08:43] <Madpilot> Sunday is a bad day?
[08:44] <Burglaptop> yes, as no news places carry it
[08:45] <Burglaptop> Friday is much better time
[08:45] <mdke> sunday is quickly followed by monday though
[08:45] <Burglaptop> you really want to catch people on the weekend, when they have time to test it
[08:45] <Burglaptop> morning mdke
[08:46] <mdke> morning
[08:47] <Burglaptop> mdke: where are we at with the flash stuff? 
[08:47] <jsgotangco> its always been a weekend annoucement lately...
[08:47] <manicka> Madpilot, thanks for the feedabck on userdocbeta :)
[08:48] <Burglaptop> we did get the main page of digg...
[08:48] <Madpilot> manicka: np
[08:48] <Burglaptop> actually, DapperFlight4 did
[08:51] <robitaille> in my mind Flights shouldn't get wide announcements, only RCs and pre-releases.  You don't want to many people going into what is still a somedays broken version of Ubuntu
[08:53] <Burglaptop> robitaille: depends on the audience. Flight announcements only go to -devel-announce and thus only get the geek press, which we want
[08:55] <jsgotangco> the forums are partly attributed to guerilla-style marketing
[08:55] <jsgotangco> either its good or not is subjective
[08:56] <Burglaptop> mdke: you raised the issue of mounted volumes not showing up on the desktop. Was that a bug or a policy decision?
[08:57] <mdke> Burglaptop, i still don't know. There are several bugs open about it
[08:58] <mdke> Burglaptop, flash: I haven't heard anything since my last email last week, i think we've done our part now
[08:58] <Burglaptop> mdke: ok
[08:58] <robitaille> Burglaptop,  since no developpers seem to have got involved in that discusion on the list, I think it is a policy from someone at the top :)
[08:58] <robitaille> personally I prefer the new approach 
[08:59] <Burglaptop> the problem becomes that of unmounting them
[08:59] <Burglaptop> it encourages people to just yank USB sticks out
[09:00] <robitaille> disk-mounter applet  is available to put in the panel.  That's what I do 
[09:00] <robitaille> I never see icon on the desktop since I always maximize my windows anyway
[09:00] <Burglaptop> yes, but it is not installed by deafult and those I don't consider it a solution
[09:00] <mdke> i agree
[09:01] <mdke> robitaille, the bugs seem to show that at least seb wasn't aware of the decision
[09:01] <robitaille> then that applet should  be a default
[09:01] <robitaille> mdke,  malone number?
[09:01] <jsgotangco> gahhhh 47 spam in -doc just today
[09:02] <Burglaptop> hmm, I noticed I am now seeing gmail spam
[09:02] <Burglaptop> someone must have automated the invite procedure
[09:02] <mdke> robitaille, i don't have it on me
[09:02] <mdke> oh, 28991
[09:02] <robitaille> mdke,  I'll look for them.  I was not aware there were bugs opened on this
[09:03] <robitaille> thanks
[09:03] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: spammed invites to gmail, or spam from gmail addresses?
[09:03] <mdke> 31331
[09:03] <Burglaptop> Madpilot: spam for gmail
[09:04] <Burglaptop> addys
[09:19] <bhuvan> mdke: ping
[09:28] <jsgotangco> mdke, hmmm the server isn't building..or is it a one time cron job?
[09:36] <Burglaptop> oh, we just hit lxer
[09:46] <Burglaptop> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3AAirports_in_Palestine&diff=25351526&oldid=24877552
[09:46] <Burglaptop> what do people think of that edit (random question)
[09:47] <mpt__> The "Note:" and the italics are probably unnecessary, other than that it's fine
[09:48] <mpt__> (I realize neither of those things are yours)
[09:48] <Burglaptop> do you think the changed words are less provocative?
[09:48] <mpt__> no
[09:49] <Madpilot> both versions are provocative - but the whole damn area is provocative, so what can you do?
[09:49] <Burglaptop> ya
[09:49] <Burglaptop> the original words are mine, although the software doesn't see as that (due to a copy paste bug)
[09:52] <jsgotangco> airports in palestine
[09:55] <Burglaptop> one of my old projects
[10:05] <mdke> bhuvan, pong
[10:05] <mdke> jsgotangco, once a day
[10:06] <bhuvan> mdke, i have send the email!
[10:06] <jsgotangco> mdke, can it be triggered manually?
[10:06] <mdke> bhuvan, got it and replied :)
[10:06] <mdke> jsgotangco, yes
[10:06] <bhuvan> mdke, cool!
[10:06] <mdke> jsgotangco, which do you want, edubuntu?
[10:06] <jsgotangco> yes
[10:06] <mdke> ok
[10:07] <mdke> done
[10:21] <Burglaptop> night all
[10:22] <glatzor> jsgotangco: hi, you are working on the manual of g-a-i?
[10:22] <glatzor> should we include the help in the g-a-i sources or do you want to distribute it in a global ubuntu-doc package?
[10:23] <jsgotangco> well we talked about it earlier, we'd prefer to have it inthe source package instead of the ubuntu-doc package
[10:24] <glatzor> jsgotangco: fine. do you want to maintain the help in your svn repo?
[10:24] <jsgotangco> glatzor, just for a few more weeks its almost done anyway
[10:24] <jsgotangco> then after that i don't mind getting it from elsewhere
[10:26] <glatzor> jsgotangco: this is no problem. i could ceck out your repository and include the manual into the g-a-i sources.
[10:26] <glatzor> the svn server is up again?
[10:27] <glatzor> jsgotangco: could you please give my the URL. i lost it.
[10:27] <jsgotangco> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/upstream/gnome/gnome-app-install/
[10:29] <glatzor> jsgotangco: do you know if anybody is working on an updated help for update-manager?
[10:31] <jsgotangco> glatzor, none that i know, the original author bailed out recently, do you want me to review it?
[10:31] <glatzor> jsgotangco: this would be very nice.
[10:32] <glatzor> Have you already seen the dist-upgrade tool?
[10:32] <jsgotangco> nope not i haven't been up to speed with mvo's development lately
[10:32] <jsgotangco> i've seen the synaptic changes though
[10:33] <glatzor> i haven't tracked synaptic in the last time.
[10:33] <mvo> jsgotangco: glatzor is a big driving force here :)
[10:33] <jsgotangco> oohhh
[10:33] <glatzor> jsgotangco: do you want to move the figures to the language subfolder C?
[10:34] <jsgotangco> glatzor, hmmm...i'll move it
[10:34] <jsgotangco> i didn't notice it
[10:37] <glatzor> jsgotangco: by the way conglomerate hasn't yet reached a usable state, or? I wrote the synatpci manual using emacs and it was a pain.
[10:39] <jsgotangco> i've been using bluefish and emacs too
[10:39] <jsgotangco> conglomerate is a pain for now
[10:42] <jsgotangco> hold on im booting to dapper and make the changes
[10:47] <jsgotangco> glatzor, ok i should be able to update both manuals tonight
[10:48] <jsgotangco> u-m just needs some minor edits
[11:25] <glatzor> jsgotangco: slow down. you don't need to hurry.
[11:27] <glatzor> it would be nice if you could make some comments if you find some nuisances or inconsistencies in the ui.
[11:29] <jsgotangco> yep i have to update this machine for staters :D
[11:34] <mdke> you'd better check that updates to the documentation are permitted by the string freeze conditions
[11:37] <mdke> it seems to me that the doc group doesn't apply the string freeze to them, but it's rather odd
[11:37] <mdke> because translation is still relevant
[11:37] <jsgotangco> you mean upstream?
[11:37] <jsgotangco> oh
[11:39] <mdke> yes, the gnome string freeze has passed already
[11:48] <jsgotangco> the apps arent part of gnome yet i think
[12:06] <glatzor> jsgotangco: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8948
[12:06] <glatzor> jsgotangco: you are fine with this omf file?
[12:08] <jsgotangco> are we sticking with that name? "Gnome-App-Install"
[12:10] <jsgotangco> mvo, are we sticking with that name "Gnome-App-Install"?
[12:11] <glatzor> jsgotangco: You want a less technical term?
[12:12] <glatzor> "Application Manager", "Application Installer"?
[12:12] <jsgotangco> glatzor, not really, the application itself doesn't say G-A-I
[12:13] <glatzor> jsgotangco: hm? I don't get this.
[12:14] <glatzor> Using the menu item name?
[12:14] <jsgotangco> in ubuntu, its just Applications->Add/Remove
[12:14] <jsgotangco> and the title bar of the app only says Add/Remove Applications
[12:15] <glatzor> ok. let us use "Add/Remove Appliations". you are ok with this?
[12:16] <glatzor> the term "applications" was skipped from the menu since the name  would have been too long and the term app would have been duplicated in the top menu name
[12:22] <jsgotangco> glatzor, i don't mind what its called, but i'm partial to make it have an intuitive name like Gnome Application Manager or the ones you mentioned...
[12:23] <glatzor> jsgotangco: the term "Gnome" could be skipped. It is of no or minor value to the user.
[12:23] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:24] <glatzor> jsgotangco: so should we take the menu item name or the other one?
[12:24] <glatzor> mvo: do you want to join the discussion?
[12:25] <glatzor> jsgotangco: mvo: the build system is now in place. 
[12:26] <mvo> glatzor: what bit excactly?
[12:28] <glatzor> What name we should use for g-a-i in the documentation. gnome-app-install is "ugly" and too technical.
[12:28] <glatzor> furthermore the app itself uses "add/remove applications" and not g-a-i
[12:29] <mvo> is "Add/remove applications" a good name?
[12:29] <glatzor> so should we use "Application Manager" or "Add/Remove Applications"
[12:29] <mvo> I personally like "application installer"
[12:29] <glatzor> mvo: ok. then we take this one.
[12:29] <mvo> but that is maybe too technical?
[12:29] <glatzor> mvo: oh, i refered to the "Add/remove" in my last post
[12:30] <glatzor> The problem is that g-a-i also removes apps.
[12:30] <glatzor> i don't like the idea of using an installer to unsinstall something
[12:31] <jsgotangco> oh the repository list was removed i didnt notice that
[12:31] <mvo> ok
[12:31] <mvo> that makes sense
[12:31] <glatzor> we could place the manual in the root of the applications direcotry in the yelp tree
[12:34] <glatzor> jsgotangco: mvo: furthermore "install or remove applications" would be better than the char "/"
[12:34] <glatzor> jsgotangco: mvo: you are fine with this?
[12:35] <jsgotangco> it does make sense though
[12:36] <glatzor> i am away for some minutes
[12:36] <jsgotangco> ok i'll make some minor edits to the doc the ping you
[12:37] <mvo> yes,that sounds good
[12:44] <jsgotangco> mvo, i'm confused here...what do we call it exactly?
[12:44] <glatzor> jsgotangco: "Add or remove applications"
[12:45] <glatzor> jsgotangco: "Install or remove applications"
[12:45] <glatzor> the later one
[12:45] <glatzor> jsgotangco: or replace "or" by "and"
[12:45] <glatzor> "Install and remove applications"
[12:45] <glatzor> this is the final one
[12:47] <jsgotangco> ok that looks better
[12:50] <glatzor> mvo: gdebi will go into main? if yes we could add a note to the g-a-i manual to install package files by double-clicking
[12:50] <mvo> I think it will, I have a ok from matt
[12:51] <glatzor> it will also be part of ubuntu-desktop?
[12:54] <glatzor> jsgotangco: if the section or repository of an app is not in the sources.list a button appears in the description that allows to add the repository
[12:55] <glatzor> jsgotangco: there is a also bug in the clearlooks theme. that is why you don't see if an app is installable or not.
[12:55] <glatzor> if you cannot install an app the checkbutton is insenstive. but clearlooks doesn't handle this case and draws an unchecked button
[12:56] <glatzor> jsgotangco: i hope that this will be fixed soon.
[12:56] <glatzor> jsgotangco: if you use another theme like e.g. raleigh you see the right behavior of the checkbutton
[12:59] <jsgotangco> hmm i see it
[01:33] <glatzor> jsgotangco: gnome-app-install does not need to run as root at startup time anymore. so no neeed for "sudo gnome-app-install"
[01:34] <jsgotangco> yes i'm editing it now
[01:34] <jsgotangco> it only asks when its about to intsall an app
[01:44] <mvo> jsgotangco:  or when it wants to add a channel/component
[02:29] <jsgotangco> wow pngcrush is good
[03:01] <jjesse> robotgeek_away: make sure you check out the new adept installer ofr the desktop guide, i will be adding it as part of the release notes
[03:03] <jsgotangco> jjesse, hey!
[03:03] <jjesse> hey jsgotangco
[03:04] <jsgotangco> jjesse, have you used pngcrush?
[03:04] <jjesse> jsgotangco nope
[03:04] <jsgotangco> jjesse, download it then use it after taking a screenshot :D
[03:04] <jsgotangco> it
[03:04] <jsgotangco> it'll reduce the size of the image
[03:04] <jjesse> cool
[03:04] <jjesse> have you tried the new adept yet ?
[03:05] <jsgotangco> nope...not yet..i'm finishing the g-a-i manual
[03:05] <jjesse> ah
[03:05] <jjesse> updating system right now
[06:50] <Burgwork> http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/3375/106/ <-- we just got slammed
[06:54] <LaserJock> Burgwork: OMG, I can
[06:54] <LaserJock> can't believe that guy didn't know he needed to bur .iso's
[06:54] <Burgwork> LaserJock, a common error and an honest mistake
[06:56] <LaserJock> why? all installation cd's are .iso's
[06:57] <LaserJock> hmm, I guess I just assumed the guy had at least installed Linux once before
[06:57] <dsas> maybe he doesn't burn iso's too often......I remember burning the iso file onto the cd, rather than burning an iso image to cd.
[06:58] <dsas> s/burn isos/download iso
[06:58] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe I've just been at this game to long. I don't think I ever did that
[06:59] <dsas> heh, I did, after I'd installed linux a half dozen times, and considered myself a "power user" for a long time...
[06:59] <dsas> dragging and dropping an iso file in Nero doesn't/didn't do what you expect...at least I think it was nero.
[07:00] <LaserJock> hmm, so maybe the download page should have a little note saying that you need to a program capabable of burning .iso files?
[07:28] <dsas> or a link to the installation help wiki page.
[07:31] <Burgwork> LaserJock, I will edit the master page later so that it links to that wiki page
[07:31] <LaserJock> I think they should have a note on the download pages itself IMHO
[07:32] <LaserJock> but then I've never really liked the Ubuntu website very much. So maybe it's just me 
[07:34] <dsas> well hopefully it'll be fixed soon, there's a wikipage on it somewhere.
[07:36] <Burgwork> the ubuntu website is a mess, but I currently don;t have the time to fix it
[07:37] <LaserJock> Burgwork: how many people work on the Ubuntu website?
[07:39] <Burgwork> LaserJock, currently just hendrik, but Mako and I have edit privs
[07:39] <LaserJock> I see
[07:39] <Burgwork> if you want to work on a specific page, I can copy it to the wiki and then you can edit it and I can copy it back
[07:40] <LaserJock> I don't think I have time right now, but I'll keep it in mind for the future
[07:40] <Burgwork> ok
[07:41] <LaserJock> I've been looking at some of the -sounder emails
[07:50] <Burgwork> LaserJock, edited the main page, should be up with an hour or so
[07:51] <LaserJock> cool
[08:07] <mdke> you can ping me for edits too
[08:07] <Burgwork> salut mdke 
[08:07] <mdke> hiya
[09:33] <Burgwork> funny how Ubuntu/Fedora/Suse have synced up so they all release alphas within 3 days of each other
[09:35] <mdke> who knows why we still have the gnome-user-guide in our repo
[09:35] <mdke> ?
[09:35] <mdke> js
[09:36] <Burgwork> kill it
[09:36] <Burgwork> it is old and we agreed to nuke upstream stuff a while back
[09:38] <mdke> ok that sounds right
[10:14] <jjesse> test message
[10:16] <mdke> jjesse, successful
[10:18] <jjesse> thanks
[10:46] <Burgwork> mdke, ouch --> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiLicenseTalk
[11:42] <mdke> Burgwork, looks a bit anal to me
[11:44] <Burgwork> mdke, change licenses is a mess and needs to be anal