[12:24] <dholbach> Good night!
[12:25] <LaserJock> cya dholbach
[12:44] <lemsto> hi!
[12:45] <lemsto> i got a segmentation fault when i try to use deal (th breidge hand generator)
[12:45] <lemsto> im using dapper amd64
[12:45] <lemsto> where/how can i report the bug?
[12:46] <LaserJock> lemsto: https://launchpad.net/malone/distros/ubuntu
[12:47] <LaserJock> lemsto: and perhaps https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReportingBugs
[12:47] <lemsto> LaserJock, thx
[12:49] <dolson> argh... I have one more package to make, and I can't download the source because it's corrupt
[12:54] <LaserJock> dolson: that doesn't sound very promising :(
[12:55] <dolson> I know.. :\
[12:55] <dolson> the app looks real cool, but the latest source tarball on berlios doesn't extract fully. and CVS I think is not a good option
[01:18] <jroes> when do you normally remove a package?
[01:19] <ajmitch> normally we don't, unless there's a good reason to
[01:19] <jroes> ah, you don't clean up things that are no longer maintained and such?
[01:22] <LaserJock> jroes: in universe everything is "maintained" by the MOTU so in essence everything is being maintained  ;-)
[01:23] <hub> jroes: why removing things that work?
[01:23] <jroes> oh :)  I was just asking, because... I found memaid (pyqt-memaid) is no longer maintained, with the last release close to 3 years ago - september of 2003.  but their SF page links to a couple of other projects that have come to replace them (mnemosyne and fullrecall)
[01:24] <jroes> and those projects don't have packages from what I could tell
[01:24] <LaserJock> jroes: in that case maybe somebody should package them. are you volunteering? ;-)
[01:25] <dolson> then that would be why they aren't removed
[01:25] <jroes> LaserJock: sure :)
[01:25] <jroes> LaserJock: I was actually looking for a way to contribute ... :)
[01:25] <Se7h> i have some packages i would like to see in universe
[01:25] <Se7h> such as pymedia
[01:25] <dolson> is it on REVU?
[01:25] <jroes> I'm not familiar with that acronym
[01:25] <LaserJock> jroes: go for it, we are here to help
[01:26] <LaserJock> wiki.ubuntu.com/Packages/REVU I think
[01:26] <dolson> check the links in the topic. REVU is the place where you upload your packages for the MOTU team to review them
[01:26] <jroes> ah :)
[01:26] <jroes> 'twas my next step to start reading up at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[01:26] <dolson> that's a great place to start :)
[01:27] <dolson> I'm new myself, and it was very helpful
[01:28] <Se7h> Packages/REVU
[01:28] <Se7h> This page does not exist yet.
[01:28] <dolson> IIRC it doesn't have the Packages/ part
[01:28] <LaserJock> sorry https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[01:28] <dolson> or it does, :P
[01:29] <LaserJock> dolson, it was renamed ;-) it used to be w.u.c/REVU
[01:29] <dolson> you guys, always moving things
[01:29] <LaserJock> well, we needed to get all the MOTU wiki pages under a common namespace, i.e. MOTU/
[01:32] <dolson> excuses excuses
[01:32] <LaserJock> :-)
[01:32] <LaserJock> if you guys want some packaging related links, I've got a list of wiki and other links at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide/Resources
[01:34] <xerox_> LaserJock: where you the guy whom I was talking about libsvg-cairo?
[01:34] <xerox_> were, even.
[01:34] <LaserJock> probably, I think so
[01:35] <jroes> LaserJock: so I shouldn't bother reading the Debian New Maintainer's Guide?
[01:35] <xerox_> LaserJock: I got around doing them, and sent to REVU, hooray :-)
[01:36] <ajmitch> jroes: the debian guide is still quite useful
[01:36] <LaserJock> jroes: no, DNMG is useful. I'm working on writing an Ubuntu Packaging Guide but it isn't finished so I'm not necessarily recommending it right now
[01:36] <xerox_> libsvg and libsvg-cairo still not appear in <http://revu.tauware.de/>, tho.
[01:37] <jroes> LaserJock, ajmitch: ah :)
[01:38] <LaserJock> xerox_: did you upload the source package? dput the .changes file?
[01:38] <xerox_> LaserJock: Yes, that's exactly what I did.
[01:38] <LaserJock> jroes: the Debian Developer's Reference and the Debian Policy are also good reading, but can take a while to get through.
[01:39] <Kyral> ack how do I sync the doc svn?
[01:39] <Kyral> I mean egt the latest
[01:40] <LaserJock> svn up
[01:40] <Kyral> not update?
[01:40] <ajmitch> up is short for update
[01:41] <Kyral> Yah I figured that when I hit Tab
[01:41] <LaserJock> Kyral: and when you send diffs it's good to use svn diff ;-)
[01:41] <Kyral> LaserJock: Yah this is what I'm planning
[01:41] <xerox_> LaserJock: what's the response?  :-)
[01:45] <LaserJock> xerox_: hmm, looks like perhaps they were rejected
[01:45] <ajmitch> xerox_: and are you in the keyring on REVU?
[01:45] <xerox_> ajmitch: I sent my keys to the keyserver, if that's what you mean
[01:45] <ajmitch> not enough
[01:45] <xerox_> Dang.
[01:46] <Kyral> LaserJock: you still need some tidbits about the Common Gotchas?
[01:46] <ajmitch> we don't let anyone on the keyserver upload stuff
[01:46] <ajmitch> since that could be a few thousand people :)
[01:46] <xerox_> Well, that makes sense.
[01:46] <ajmitch> what is your key id?
[01:48] <xerox_> ajmitch: E2942953
[01:48] <Kyral> LJ are you editing that right now?
[01:48] <Kyral> I see an incomplete tag...
[01:48] <ajmitch> hm, I wonder why I can't login to the REVU site now
[01:48] <LaserJock> Kyral: just a sec. too ..  much ..  going ..  on ..
[01:48] <Kyral> lol
[01:49] <LaserJock> Kyral: wife talking, darwinports, fink, ubuntu-doc, bzr, REVU
[01:49] <Kyral> Whee Bluefish has a DocBook mode :D
[01:49] <Psi-Jack> What's the pool url for dapper's repo?
[01:49] <Se7h> to register the gpg keyid do i need to add any other thing to the email besides the key itself ?
[01:50] <ajmitch> xerox_: imported
[01:50] <xerox_> ajmitch: it means I have to dput the packages again?
[01:50] <ajmitch> Se7h: it's going to a person, so a nice little request is appreciated :)
[01:50] <ajmitch> xerox_: no, they should get processed within 15 minutes
[01:50] <LaserJock> Kyral: --> #ubuntu-doc
[01:50] <xerox_> ajmitch: thank you *very* much.
[01:51] <Se7h> ajmitch lol ok :>
[01:52] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[01:52] <Psi-Jack> Is cyrus 2.2.x not being put into Dapper? :/
[01:52] <Psi-Jack> cyrus-imapd 2.2.x that is.
[01:52] <xerox_> ajmitch: in fact they're two very small library packages (1 file each), and their corresponding 1-header-file -dev packages.
[01:53] <xerox_> (Well, the header along the '.a' version of the lib, but it's still very small :-))
[01:53] <ajmitch> xerox_: they should be there now
[01:54] <ajmitch> Psi-Jack: if it's not there already, then probably not
[01:54] <Psi-Jack> Dangit.
[01:54] <ajmitch> Psi-Jack: cyrus22-imapd ?
[01:54] <xerox_> ajmitch: yes there are!
[01:54] <Psi-Jack> cyrus-imapd 2.2.x has been out for quite a /long/ time, and it's still not being included? :/
[01:54] <Se7h> ajmitch now lets just hope to get a reply
[01:55] <Psi-Jack> ajmitch: breezy has cyrus-* for 1.x, and cyrus21-* for 2.1.x, but not even in dapper, is cyrus22-* even there.
[01:55] <ajmitch> Psi-Jack: did you look? I just checked & found that in a couple of seconds
[01:55] <Psi-Jack> ajmitch: Umm.. I thought I did..
[01:56] <dolson> cyrus22-imapd - Cyrus mail system (IMAP support)
[01:56] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm..
[01:56] <dolson> apt-cache search works great ;)
[01:56] <Psi-Jack> dolson: I'm not running dapper yet. :p
[01:56] <ajmitch> Psi-Jack: it looks like it's only built on i386 though
[01:56] <Psi-Jack> ajmitch: That's perfectly fine. :)
[01:57] <Psi-Jack> Why don't I see it in the pool?
[01:57] <Psi-Jack> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/
[01:57] <ajmitch> because it's in universe, not main
[01:57] <Psi-Jack> Oh...
[01:58] <xerox_> Urgh, I think there's something erroneous in the packages.
[01:58] <Psi-Jack> Okay..
[01:58] <Psi-Jack> This is getting odd.. LOL
[01:58] <ajmitch> xerox_: yep
[01:58] <Psi-Jack> There's cyrus22-* and also cyrus-imapd-2.2
[01:58] <dolson> Psi-Jack: this is a good link. http://packages.ubuntu.org.cn/dapper/allpackages.en.txt.gz
[01:59] <xerox_> ajmitch: I saw libsvg-0.1.4/debian/libsvgBROKEN/ just now
[01:59] <ajmitch> Psi-Jack: and it looks like cyrus-imapd-2.2 is the one to use
[01:59] <Psi-Jack> ajmitch: Why? Curious..
[01:59] <xerox_> ajmitch: did you see anything else?
[01:59] <ajmitch> Psi-Jack: ask the debian packager
[02:00] <ajmitch> most of the stuff we get is from debian
[02:00] <Psi-Jack> They're both 2.2.12, though. heh
[02:00] <ajmitch> xerox_: only the most obvious missing .orig.tar.gz :)
[02:00] <ajmitch> I haven't looked at all beyond that
[02:00] <xerox_> I have made those!
[02:00] <ajmitch> Se7h: where did you send the REVU request to?
[02:00] <xerox_> libsvg-0.1.4.orig.tar.gz  and  libsvg-cairo-0.1.6.orig.tar.gz
[02:01] <dolson> you need _ instead of -
[02:01] <xerox_> Ah-ha.
[02:02] <xerox_> ajmitch: and then I dput them?
[02:02] <ajmitch> yes
[02:02] <ajmitch> once you rebuild the source packages
[02:05] <xerox_> ajmitch: so I still dput to rebu with 'foo_source.changes' as parameter?
[02:05] <Se7h> ajmitch keyring@tiber.tauware.de
[02:05] <Se7h> email refered at the revu site
[02:05] <ajmitch> xerox_: yes, for all changes you make
[02:05] <xerox_> It says no changes, hm.
[02:06] <ajmitch> Se7h: ok, just waiting for it to come through
[02:06] <ajmitch> xerox_: you may need to do dput -f
[02:06] <ajmitch> since the version number will be the same
[02:06] <xerox_> Now it is uploading the .orig. files, good.
[02:07] <Se7h> E: Failed getting release file http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/dists/dapper/Release
[02:07] <Se7h> I'm getting this using pbuilder
[02:07] <Se7h> y the hell is he going for the debian url ?
[02:08] <ajmitch> because you need to configure pbuilder
[02:08] <Se7h> i did already (i think)
[02:08] <xerox_> ajmitch: I suppose "libsvg-cairo_0.1.6.orig.tar.gz" is incorrect since I have the other files called "libsvg-cairo_0.1.6-1...", I need to append "-1", right?
[02:09] <ajmitch> no
[02:09] <xerox_> OK, phew.
[02:09] <ajmitch> and the version should be 0.1.6-0ubuntu1
[02:09] <xerox_> Uhm.
[02:09] <ajmitch> but the orig.tar.gz always has the upstream version only
[02:09] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, odd.. cyrus22-common and cyrus22-imapd depend on libssl0.9.8, which doesn't seem to exist. heh
[02:10] <ajmitch> Psi-Jack: as I said, cyrus-imapd-2.2 is the one to use
[02:10] <Psi-Jack> ajmitch: Yeah.. I can see why now.. LOL
[02:10] <xerox_> ajmitch: I should write, in debian/control, "Package: libsvg-0.1.6-0ubuntu1" ?
[02:10] <ajmitch> xerox_: no, the version number should never need to be written in debian/control
[02:11] <xerox_> (I'm sorry, it's 02:10 and I'm a bit sleepy)
[02:11] <Se7h> ajmitch isnt the $MIRRORSITE supposed to be that url ?
[02:12] <ajmitch> Se7h: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[02:12] <ajmitch> xerox_: see debian/changelog
[02:12] <Se7h> echo $MIRRORSITE
[02:12] <Se7h> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[02:12] <Psi-Jack> ajmitch: However, cyrus-common-2.2 also depends on the same thing.
[02:12] <xerox_> Ah, I wrote 1, I'll change it to 0ubuntu1.
[02:12] <Psi-Jack> libssl0.9.8
[02:13] <ajmitch> Psi-Jack: and where's the problem there?
[02:13] <Psi-Jack> ajmitch: libssl0.9.8 doesn't seem to exist? :)
[02:14] <ajmitch> Psi-Jack: it does
[02:14] <ajmitch> Se7h: you are doing this in the pbuilderrc?
[02:15] <xerox_>   * Initial release Closes: 0ubuntu1    <- is that right, or should it be just '1' ?
[02:15] <Se7h> ajmitch im new on this field, so explain plz
[02:15] <ajmitch> xerox_: no, drop the Closes part please
[02:15] <ajmitch> it's meant to be used for bug numbers
[02:16] <xerox_>   * Initial release: 0ubuntu1
[02:16] <ajmitch> xerox_: why do you want the version in the changelog entry itself?
[02:16] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[02:16] <LaserJock> xerox_: you really don't need the version there since it is at the top of the entry itself
[02:16] <xerox_> That's right!  Silly me.
[02:16] <Psi-Jack> It's in the all file, libssl0.9.8, but I checked every catagory of the pool, and didn't see it. :/
[02:17] <LaserJock> Psi-Jack: why are you using the pool, why not use packages.ubuntu.com or something?
[02:17] <ajmitch> Se7h: config file, /etc/pbuilderrc or ~/.pbuilderrc, or passed as an argument to pbuilder
[02:17] <Psi-Jack> LaserJock: Because I'm downloading cyrus-imapd 2.2 stuff to use on breezy. heh
[02:18] <LaserJock> Psi-Jack: you can do that from packages.ubuntu.com ;-)
[02:18] <ajmitch> Psi-Jack: good luck then
[02:18] <Se7h> ajmitch  oh ok, its realy wrong there lol
[02:19] <Psi-Jack> Well, it's either that, or upgrade two servers to dapper, which is definately not in my vocabulary to run "unstable" servers. :)
[02:20] <ajmitch> or backport the package properly
[02:20] <Se7h> ajmitch it does continue with that error tho
[02:21] <ajmitch> LaserJock: can you help Se7h with pbuilder, I need to get back to paid work asap :)
[02:21] <LaserJock> ajmitch: sure
[02:21] <Se7h> lol :>
[02:22] <LaserJock> Se7h: so did you edit /etc/pbuilderrc?
[02:22] <Se7h> sure
[02:22] <Se7h> as ajmitch said
[02:23] <LaserJock> Se7h: and it is still looking for the debian site?
[02:23] <Se7h> no, its going for the ubuntu alright
[02:23] <Se7h> but its retrieving failure
[02:23] <Se7h> E: Failed getting release file http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/Release
[02:24] <Se7h> (i've tried with dapper too
[02:24] <LaserJock> Psi-Jack: installing mixed repos could in fact be worse than running Dapper itself. Building from the source packages would probably we the best bet.
[02:24] <xerox_> ajmitch: I did upload the right files.  I hope.
[02:26] <LaserJock> Se7h: can you paste the pbuilderrc file to pastebin.com?
[02:26] <Se7h> sure
[02:27] <Se7h> one second
[02:28] <Se7h> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8914
[02:28] <ajmitch> Se7h: fyi, your key is imported into the revu keyring now
[02:28] <Se7h> ajmitch ok ty :)
[02:29] <xerox_> ajmitch: the fact that revu still shows the old files is due to the fact that I did some error again?
[02:30] <LaserJock> Se7h: so what pbuilder command are you using?
[02:31] <ajmitch> xerox_: could be, it's been uploaded & accepted
[02:31] <Se7h> LaserJock the one wiki tells me to use
[02:31] <Se7h> sudo pbuilder create --distribution dapper
[02:32] <Se7h> im not very familiar with pbuilder i must say
[02:32] <xerox_> ajmitch: I picked up a new dir, unpacked the sources, added the debian/ directory, moved the tarball to the given name, and "debuild -S -sa"-ed again.
[02:32] <Se7h> usualy i'd create the packages manualy
[02:34] <LaserJock> Se7h: and you did the apt.config part of the wiki ?
[02:34] <Se7h> let me check...
[02:34] <LaserJock> Se7h: I'm just not seeing why you should have any problems. I have basically the same setup and it worked.
[02:35] <Se7h> wheres that apt.config part?
[02:35] <Se7h> is it at the pbuilder howto ?
[02:36] <LaserJock> Se7h: yeah, between the MIRRORSITE stuff and "sudo pbuilder create"
[02:37] <Se7h> right
[02:37] <Se7h> oh wait
[02:38] <Se7h> i missed the aptconfdir var
[02:38] <Se7h> let's check now...
[02:38] <Se7h> nop, still getting that error
[02:38] <xerox_> ajmitch: thanks for caring, I think I'll go to sleep now (02:40 am).  I hope we can get back on the issue later, if you will.
[02:39] <LaserJock> Se7h: and you tried both breezy and dapper?
[02:39] <ajmitch> yeah sorry, I'm at work so I can't help much right now
[02:40] <Se7h> LaserJock yes i did
[02:40] <xerox_> G'night folks.
[02:40] <Se7h> *
[02:40] <LaserJock> cya xerox_
[02:41] <LaserJock> Se7h: ok, what is the error message again?
[02:42] <Se7h> I: Retrieving Release
[02:42] <Se7h> E: Failed getting release file http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/Release
[02:42] <Se7h> pbuilder: debootstrap failed
[02:47] <LaserJock> Se7h: umm, can you wget that file?
[02:49] <Se7h> LaserJock let me see
[02:49] <Se7h> yup
[02:49] <Se7h> no problem
[02:52] <Se7h> LaserJock any ideas?
[02:53] <LaserJock> Se7h: I'm really stuggling to see the  problem
[02:53] <Se7h> theres something 'similar to this
[02:54] <Se7h> when i try to use apt-get i get an error like:
[02:54] <Se7h> Errhttp://pt.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main pbuilder 0.145ubuntu1
[02:54] <Se7h>   Could not connect to localhost:8118 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[02:54] <Se7h> Failed to fetch http://pt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libd/libdebian-installer/libdebian-installer4_0.37_i386.deb
[02:54] <Se7h> realy odd
[02:54] <Se7h> as from synaptic it all goes well
[02:57] <LaserJock> Se7h: well then that looks more like a problem with apt, but I would have thought that synaptic would also have a problem
[02:57] <Se7h> yes, i thought so, but it doens't
[02:57] <Se7h> syanptic works fine
[03:01] <LaserJock> Se7h: what files do you have in /etc/pbuilder/apt/config.d/ ?
[03:02] <Se7h> ls /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/apt.conf.d/
[03:02] <Se7h> 05aptitude              20archive               allow-unauthenticated
[03:02] <Se7h> 10periodic              70debconf               allow-unauthenticated~
[03:03] <Se7h> LaserJock i don't have it like that (pbuilder/apt/)
[03:04] <LaserJock> Se7h: your right
[03:04] <Se7h> i removed that 99something like it said at the howto
[03:05] <LaserJock> Se7h: how many lines does your sources.list file have? if it is only a couple could you paste them?
[03:06] <Se7h> LaserJock not just a couple :\
[03:06] <LaserJock> Se7h: pastbin it then
[03:06] <Se7h> ok
[03:06] <Se7h> one second
[03:11] <Se7h> LaserJock http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8923
[03:15] <LaserJock> Se7h: I think you should try to make the sources.list reflect the MIRRORSITE part of pbuilderrc. i.e. deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[03:16] <Se7h> add it to the sources?
[03:16] <Se7h> oh, right, dont mind what i said
[03:17] <Se7h> but that doesn't make much sense does it ?
[03:17] <Se7h> i have to change my sources to be able to use pbuilder?
[03:18] <Lathiat> LaserJock: well, MIRRORSITE is really for debootstrap
[03:18] <Lathiat> sources.list should really usually match
[03:18] <Lathiat> but can have other stuff
[03:18] <Lathiat> e.g. universe, etc
[03:19] <Se7h> i can change the mirrorsite to a PT mirror tho
[03:19] <LaserJock> Lathiat: true, and in fact he is having problems with debootstrap, but as apt-get seems to have problems I thought maybe they were related
[03:19] <Se7h> would work the same way, right?
[03:37] <bmonty> hey LaserJock
[03:37] <Se7h> LaserJock well its getting late for me, we'll talk about this later
[03:37] <Se7h> cya
[03:39] <LaserJock> cya Se7h, sorry I haven't been more help
[03:39] <LaserJock> hi bmonty
[03:39] <Se7h> no problem :)
[03:46] <bmonty> LaserJock: so whats new?
[03:47] <LaserJock> bmonty: not a whole lot. I've got a new upstream release to work on for one of my Debian packages.
[03:48] <bmonty> nice, I'm working on building a binding for python to the kerberos libs
[03:49] <LaserJock> and I'm trying to fake my OSX iMac into thinking it's an Ubuntu box ;-)
[03:49] <ajmitch> hi bmonty
[03:50] <bmonty> hey ajmitch
[03:50] <bmonty> LaserJock: and I bottled a fresh batch of beer today :)
[03:50] <LaserJock> cool
[03:52] <bmonty> I'm not sure I like the xchat-gnome default in dapper
[03:54] <ajmitch> many people don't
[03:55] <bmonty> it seems like an incomplete program
[03:55] <LaserJock> unfortunately thats how I see a fair amount of Gnome programs in general
[03:56] <bmonty> LaserJock: I agree
[03:56] <LaserJock> I wish I could get a good grasp on what it really takes to have a good UI.
[03:56] <bmonty> evolution is very complete...I just don't like using it
[03:57] <LaserJock> bmonty: I used it for about 30 sec. after it killed my IMAP :(
[03:57] <bmonty> LaserJock: if you figure it out you could make a lot of money....I don't think anyone really knows
[03:58] <bmonty> I took a GUI class a couple years ago...it was supposed to be about building good interfaces, but it ended up being a tutorial on swing and the prof seemed to think that anything using swing with a model-view-controller setup was a good interface
[03:58] <LaserJock> most of the Gnome apps just seem "dumbed down". To some extent it is nice to get rid of some of the clutter. I just like having options if I want/need them.
[03:58] <LaserJock> lol
[03:58] <bmonty> LaserJock: are you a fan of the menu item hiding in MS Office?
[03:59] <LaserJock> a fair amount. it remembers the most common hit items so it is like the menus are adapting to me use.
[03:59] <LaserJock> s/me/my/
[03:59] <crimsun> I personally hate it
[04:00] <LaserJock> sometimes it's a bit annoying, but it's ok
[04:00] <bmonty> I always feel like it is hiding the options I want, it is usually the first thing I turn off
[04:00] <LaserJock> better then taking them out completely ;-)
[04:00] <bmonty> it really sucks when you are trying to provide support to someone over the phone and the config dialogs are hiddrn
[04:00] <LaserJock> if you are used to it though, the first thing you do is go down and open up the menu completely
[04:01] <bmonty> yeah and then it takes an extra 10 seconds to get what you want
[04:01] <LaserJock> once you get used to it it isn't too bad. I wish you could set some options to be permanent
[04:01] <LaserJock> about 1-2 sec. if you are used to it ;-)
[04:02] <bmonty> I love how Office 2003 defaults to having markup turned on, but no matter how many times I turn it off, it stays on AND the menu item is hidden
[04:02] <ajmitch> bmonty: it's 'advanced' :)
[04:02] <bmonty> LaserJock: anyways, my point is that I think the menu item hiding is a bad interface design, but your preference is to use it
[04:03] <LaserJock> I'm just irritated that Gnome seems to make it more difficult to set options rather than simpler
[04:03] <bmonty> so GUI design isn't really an easy task when you start thinking about it, and most people don't think about it very much
[04:03] <LaserJock> or just get rid of options altogether
[04:04] <bmonty> ajmitch: yeah, and someone at my work got cute and decided it would be a good idea to use citrix for all the office apps
[04:05] <LaserJock> bmonty: I agree though that hiding is probably as bad interface design as having *every* option in the menu
[04:05] <dolson> I think Gnome needs an option to disable that Slow Keys crap from coming up all the time
[04:06] <LaserJock> hi monzie
[04:06] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[04:06] <dolson> "oh, you held a key for a couple seconds, you must want this annoying feature turned on"
[04:06] <Kyral> Talking about XP Sticky Keys?
[04:06] <monzie> hi LaserJock
[04:06] <dolson> Gnome
[04:07] <dolson> slow keys.. if you hold a key for about 8 seconds, it automatically enables slow keys and *then* asks if you want it enabled
[04:08] <dolson> even making it worse is the fact that if I set the delay to 0, it doesn't remember it after I log out and back in again
[04:08] <Kyral> .........that feature should die
[04:08] <Kyral> *horribly*
[04:08] <dolson> yes, yes it should. or at least have an option to stop it from coming up
[04:08] <Kyral> like, in the face
[04:08] <Kyral> Actually GConf needs to die too
[04:08] <Kyral> Reminds me too much of the Registry
[04:09] <crimsun> you could always edit the xml manually if you're that perturbed
[04:09] <Kyral> Where is it stored in the first place
[04:09] <crimsun> see ~/.gconf
[04:09] <Kyral> Frankly I think there should be a nice GUI like Gnome Advanced Prefs
[04:10] <Kyral> okay, brb, reattaching Screen to GNOME-Term
[04:10] <dolson> I thought there was one. not official, but a 3rd party thing
[04:10] <Kyral> dolson: thats what I'm talking about
[04:11] <Kyral> I <3 it
[04:11] <dolson> oh, that's the name of it. gotcha
[04:11] <Kyral> Unfortunately I cannot package it at the moment
[04:11] <Kyral> because the DL link on GnomeFiles is broken
[04:11] <dolson> well, I don't mind the gconf editor. but it slow keys still can't be disabled, from what I can see in there
[04:12] <Kyral> Maybe I'll work with GNOME-Advanced Prefs author to expand it
[04:12] <ajmitch> Kyral: like gtweakui?
[04:12] <Kyral> ......
[04:12] <dolson> that's the one I was thinking of
[04:12] <Kyral> I wasn't aware of that lol
[04:12] <ajmitch> which is in dapper, of course
[04:13] <Kyral> which I just installed ;P
[04:14] <monzie> lhttp://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=13725 says that Ubuntu Drake now has a livecd installer .. is it true?
[04:14] <Kyral> Yah
[04:14] <Kyral> I ahve to write the doc....
[04:14] <Kyral> ajmitch: I meant like expanded
[04:14] <Kyral> so its a tab for everything ;P
[04:16] <ajmitch> why the ;P ?
[04:17] <monzie> has dapper drake entered upstream version freeze?
[04:17] <crimsun> yes
[04:18] <ajmitch> monzie: yes, a month ago
[04:18] <ajmitch> we still allow new packages in universe up until feature freeze
[04:20] <crimsun> (which is in 4 days)
[04:21] <monzie> so any new packages which get made must compile against the new flight cd i guess
[04:22] <ajmitch> any new packages should compile against what's currently in the repositories
[04:22] <ajmitch> not that there's generally much change in the libraries by this stage
[04:22] <dolson> hey, there's an app that I want to package, but when I extract it, I get this: gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file... I asked about it on a mailing list, and I'm told that it is normal? so the question is, can I go ahead and package it anyhow (assuming it works..)?
[04:24] <Lathiat> is it a .bz2 ?
[04:24] <Lathiat> whats the filename of the package?
[04:24] <monzie> haha, now there's espresro to install live cds to hd
[04:25] <dolson> Lathiat:  it's http://download.berlios.de/smack/smack-0.2.1.tar.gz
[04:25] <monzie> and i worked my ass of to write https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDInstallHowTo yesterday!
[04:25] <Lathiat> dolson: that is an invalid URL
[04:25] <Lathiat> dolson: and returns a 404 error pae
[04:25] <dolson> Lathiat: wtf.. ok http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2422
[04:26] <ajmitch> monzie: espresso has been underway for quite awhile
[04:26] <Lathiat> dolson: oh
[04:26] <Lathiat> dolson: i lie
[04:26] <Lathiat> dolson: its an intermediate page
[04:26] <Lathiat> dolson: open it in your web browser
[04:26] <dolson> I did
[04:26] <Lathiat> dolson: you need to click on the actual download link
[04:26] <dolson> I did
[04:26] <dolson> it partially extracts
[04:26] <Lathiat> then you should have more luck
[04:26] <dolson> no, man, I'm not a complete moron :P I downloaded that file
[04:26] <Lathiat> ok let me try that then
[04:27] <Lathiat> it extracts fine for me
[04:27] <Lathiat> perhaps it didnt download fully?
[04:27] <dolson> I downloaded it 3 times
[04:27] <crimsun> via Web browser or wget?
[04:27] <ajmitch> dolson: doesn't help if you've got a dodgy cache
[04:27] <Lathiat> are you sure you opened the smack-0.2.1.tar.gz url in your web browser, which is really a web browser that redirects off to another url?
[04:27] <Lathiat> taht second web browser is supposed to read "web page" :)
[04:27] <dolson> Lathiat: yes... if I downloaded an html page, it wouldn't extract at all
[04:28] <dolson> I'll use wget
[04:28] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/smack-0.2.1.tar.gz
[04:28] <Lathiat> try that
[04:28] <Lathiat> have i mentioned how much i fucking hate those download pages
[04:28] <Lathiat> excuse language ;p
[04:28] <dolson> yeah, I keep getting invalid key. I hate this crap
[04:28] <dolson> but it looks like a sweet program
[04:28] <Lathiat> grab my url
[04:29] <dolson> yeah, getting it, thanks man
[04:29] <Lathiat> also the invalid key
[04:29] <Lathiat> you have to refresh
[04:29] <Lathiat> it seems that it like
[04:29] <Lathiat> expires your download link within 10 seconds
[04:29] <Lathiat> which seems silly
[04:29] <Lathiat> not sure what the point of that is
[04:29] <zakame> noon MOTUs
[04:29] <Lathiat> woo i got 90% of the bits for my new pc today
[04:29] <Lathiat> just missing the case :\ doh
[04:30] <LaserJock> hi zakame
[04:30] <dolson> thanks Lathiat.. must've been a corrupt cache then. I didn't think of that for some reason
[04:32] <ajmitch> hello zakame
[04:32] <ajmitch> Lathiat: lucky you :P
[04:32] <zakame> hi ajmitch ! :-)
[04:32] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I'm still stuck in this country doing nasty work
[04:32] <zakame> ajmitch: have you seen the news about the fossilized giant penguin there? it's in waikato
[04:32] <Lathiat> ajmitch: hehe
[04:32] <ajmitch> zakame: nope
[04:38] <zakame> well I read that yesterday :/ found by schoolkids there
[05:06] <dolson> hmm.. this isn't even a program. it's just some om patches... :\ they disabled the gui... ah well.
[05:12] <LaserJock> dolson: what?
[05:13] <dolson> LaserJock: oh, this program I wanted to package called Smack. it is a "drum synth" but when you build it, there is no binary, it's all just patches for the Om synth... the README says that he doesn't build the gui anymore because Om is more advanced or whatever
[05:14] <LaserJock> dolson: and that is the one you had a hard time downloading?
[05:14] <dolson> yeah
[05:15] <dolson> he has a screenshot on the homepage, and it looked good, and the sound demos sounded good, so I was going to package it. but anyhow, I'll find something else if there's anything I think is missing
[05:16] <LaserJock> bummer
[05:17] <dolson> uhh, all of a sudden, things started crashing
[05:18] <dolson> the trash applet died unexpectedly, and xchat-gnome closed.. and stuff. weird
[05:18] <dolson> and now I have new updates available.
[05:20] <jsgotangco> mdz04 lol
[05:31] <monzie> hi all
[05:31] <bmonty> good night MOTUs
[05:31] <monzie> in the control file  for eet (E17 base lib) what should the section be .. x11?
[05:33] <ajmitch>   libs
[05:37] <monzie> thanks ajmitch
[05:39] <monzie> there's another problem
[05:40] <monzie> the debian\ directory already exists so dh_make gives errors
[05:41] <monzie> when i delete the debian dir , it's ok, but the debian\ generated by dh_make gives errors while running ./configure
[05:44] <ajmitch> why are you running dh_make then?
[05:53] <dolson> FINALLY. I have ordered a new optical mouse for $8CDN. soon I can disable Mouse Keys and will never have to see that annoying Slow Keys dialog again! muahaha
[05:58] <monzie> then what is the alternative ajmitch?
[05:58] <monzie> how do i get the .orig.tar.gz files then?
[06:01] <monzie> help please
[06:02] <ajmitch> the orig tarball is just the upstream tarball
[06:02] <monzie> okay..
[06:02] <monzie> so how do i go about it
[06:02] <monzie> the upstream tarball already has  debian dir
[06:02] <ajmitch> I see
[06:03] <ajmitch> why is that?
[06:03] <monzie> i dont know
[06:04] <monzie> i download it from the E snapshot server and it already has a debian dir
[06:04] <monzie> also, i tried to delete it and run dh_make, and it runs fine
[06:04] <ajmitch> ok
[06:05] <monzie> just that when i run ./configure later it gives the error..
[06:05] <ajmitch> something for you to fix up then
[06:05] <monzie> config.status: error: cannot find input file: debian/changelog.in
[06:06] <monzie> should i not run dh_make then?
[06:06] <monzie> cause the debian guide asks me to
[06:06] <ajmitch> you can if you want
[06:06] <ajmitch> I tend not to, because I've already got a few packages that I base new ones off
[06:06] <monzie> so i just edit the control file..
[06:07] <ajmitch> most people use dh_make, I think
[06:07] <monzie> find out the deps
[06:07] <monzie> and the dpkg-buildpackage -r fakreroot
[06:07] <monzie> is that enough?
[06:08] <ajmitch> it's a start
[06:08] <monzie> but that's ok enough..?
[06:08] <dolson> couldn't you just edit what's alredy in the debian/ dir? if it's there, perhaps a lot of the work is already done for you?
[06:09] <ajmitch> packaging generally takes a lot more than just fixing up a few deps from the templates that you're given
[06:09] <monzie> hmmm
[06:09] <ajmitch> especially for something large & complex like all of the various E17 bits
[06:09] <monzie> then what else do i have to do ajmitch?
[06:10] <ajmitch> it really isn't something I'd suggest for someone new to packaging to tackle :)
[06:10] <freeflying> monzie: it seems that you'd better use the exist debian dir and file in it
[06:10] <jsgotangco> :D
[06:10] <dolson> monzie: if you have never built a package, you should get a simpler package to do first, to learn
[06:10] <ajmitch> hello jsgotangco
[06:10] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: lurking in the shadows again?
[06:10] <ajmitch> lucky you
[06:10] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:11] <monzie> eet is quite simple dolson
[06:11] <jsgotangco> i can't feel anything below my stomach
[06:12] <dolson> monzie: it doesn't need any libs or anything extra from E17? nothing outside of what is already included in dapper?
[06:12] <ajmitch> even 'simple' libraries by themselves can br tricky enough to package
[06:13] <dolson> monzie: this is not a complete guide, but should give you a good idea of the work involved, rather than us typing out all the steps.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003&page=1&pp=10  from there, read the MOTU/Documentation and the Debian New Maintainer guide
[06:15] <jsgotangco> there's also the packaging guide at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[06:15] <jsgotangco> although not that complete yet
[06:15] <jsgotangco> patches/comments welcome :D
[06:16] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: for sure ;-)
[06:16] <jsgotangco> you'll have to thank LaserJock for all the work
[06:16] <ajmitch> 1001 half-completed guides
[06:17] <dolson> I didn't think LJ was going to give out the link, he had mentioned it earlier today :)
[06:17] <LaserJock> ajmitch: true, I'm trying to make the one to rule them all ;-)
[06:18] <ajmitch> LaserJock: good luck then
[06:18] <LaserJock> dolson: it's ok to let it leak, I just don't want to give the impression that it is complete or even close to a replacement for the DNMG at this point
[06:18] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:19] <ajmitch> LaserJock: why isn't it? :)
[06:19] <jsgotangco> dolson, yeah, doc.ubuntu.com are all work in progress
[06:19] <jsgotangco> they change everyday
[06:20] <Psi-Jack> Okay. beyond build-essential, what do I need to rebuild a deb-src package?
[06:20] <dolson> Psi-Jack: apt-get build-dep <package name>
[06:21] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I have been working on it pretty much by myself. I'm should be getting some other contributions soon, but it is hard work as you can imagine. And the worst part is that I'm having to learn quite a bit of the material as I go.
[06:21] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[06:21] <Psi-Jack> I'm gonna see if I can work up a libsasl2-modules-ldapdb
[06:23] <Psi-Jack> I can't believe it's not even in there. :/  It's frustrating as all heck. heh.
[07:13] <zakame> afternoon MOTUs :D
[07:15] <sladen> morning
[07:16] <zakame> heya sladen
[07:17] <dolson> hey zakame
[07:17] <zakame> heya dolson , how's it going?
[07:18] <dolson> zakame: meh... I have some pains and a doctor appt. in 8 hours.. I should really sleep soon. but I ordered a new mouse, so soon I won't have to use the numpad
[07:18] <ajmitch> hello sladen
[07:19] <zakame> dolson: awww *patpat*
[07:19] <ajmitch> sladen: we need to sort out the chanserv settings here before more trolls disrupt the place
[07:20] <zakame> hmm yeah its actually easy to get /op here :/
[07:21] <jsgotangco> where are the trolls?
[07:21] <jsgotangco> :d
[07:21] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: you'd have to scroll back a few hours
[07:22] <sladen> ajmitch: you have the power...
[07:22] <sladen> ajmitch: who was the troll and what did I miss ?
[07:22] <ajmitch> sladen: just someone whose only contribution was swearing long & loud
[07:22] <ajmitch> ~8 hours ago
[07:23] <sladen> zakame: yup, it's so easy and with 100 nicks on the channel, nobody has ops :)
[07:23] <zakame> lol
[07:23] <ajmitch> sladen: iirc I'm the only one with anti-power, with a negative chanserv rating :)
[07:23] <ajmitch> since I was testing & could set myself as that
[07:24] <ajmitch> we also have people who visit who have autoop scripts
[07:24] <jsgotangco> oh i see it
[07:25] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: entertaining, no?
[07:25] <sladen> ajmitch: ah, I thought I'd removed that after a couple of days ago, lets do that now
[07:26] <ajmitch> thanks
[07:26] <sladen> away you go
[07:26] <jsgotangco> i also see a niagara image on fabbione's space
[07:26] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:26] <ajmitch> but are the channel settings still the same?
[07:27] <sladen> yes.
[07:27] <sladen> next time somebody comes along -1 them, rather than yourself ;-)
[07:28] <ajmitch> that's still less useful than having the channel setup like that others
[07:28] <sladen> if you want to change it, you have the same power as me to do it
[08:02] <zakame> can anyone take a look at ceferino in REVU? I think it's good for upload
[08:04] <zakame> gaah new upstream version needed
[08:15] <ajmitch> night all, see you tomorrow
[08:16] <zakame> cya ajmitch
[08:27] <dholbach> good morning motu world!
[08:28] <zakame> heya dholbach ! :D
[08:28] <dholbach> heya zakame! :)
[08:30] <dholbach> i should go back and make a proper picture - but maybe this is a candidate for the MOTU Shirt we should have: http://daniel.holba.ch/pics/06-02-Berlin/img015.jpeg.medium.jpeg :)
[08:30] <zakame> cool! :)
[08:43] <dolzzzon> thanks dholbach
[09:10] <zakame> hmm if a pkg uses python2.{3,4} now, can it be changed to use python2.4 only, or should we minimize divergence on this?
[09:10] <dholbach> dolzzzon: de rien :)
[09:10] <dolzzzon> dholbach: I keep forgetting what that means... no problem?
[09:10] <dholbach> yeah :)
[09:11] <dolzzzon> I am not really sleeping yet.. I should be. but I'm just gonna cancel my Dr. appt
[09:11] <dholbach> I hope you cancel nothing serioud
[09:11] <dholbach> serious
[09:12] <dolzzzon> well, feature freeze is almost upon us
[09:13] <zakame> dolson: better get rest then :)
[09:13] <dolson> well, my stuff is pretty much done, just any fixes that I gotta make
[09:13] <dolson> which will hopefully be NONE!
[09:13] <dolson> but I won't be so lucky
[09:13] <tepsipakki> how serious bug is it that a maintainer modifies the original source directly? gtkpod in debian does just that
[09:14] <tepsipakki> I'm about to file it
[09:14] <dholbach> That's the maintainer's decision.
[09:14] <dolson> tepsipakki: I noticed that a lot with debian pkgs that I have looked at over the past few days
[09:14] <dholbach> I personally don't like it much (since doing an upstream update is a pain) and organizing patch is hardly possible with it.
[09:15] <dholbach> But as I said, that's the maintainer's decision and I doubt that a bug report will help there.
[09:15] <tepsipakki> ok, fair enough. I've uploaded a new gtkpod-aac to revu that uses dpatch
[09:16] <tepsipakki> since I was advised to get rid of the cruft in diff.gz =)
[09:17] <dolson> tepsipakki: you took this from debian?
[09:18] <tepsipakki> dolson: no, I modified the ubuntu-version
[09:18] <dolson> ah.
[09:26] <xerox_> Howdy.
[09:28] <dolson> hi xerox_
[09:28] <zakame> heya xerox_
[09:29] <xerox_> It seem my packages (libsvg and libsvg-cairo) have gotten the right files on revu now!
[09:29] <dolson> xerox_: congrats
[09:29] <zakame> xerox_: coolness!
[09:30] <xerox_> Yeah, now somebody must review them, right?
[09:35] <dolson> xerox_: get in line
[09:35] <xerox_> Sure!  I didn't mean to be rude, sorry.
[09:36] <dolson> no, I am joking around
[09:36] <dolson> you're not rude :P
[09:37] <dolson> someday I maybe will know enough to become a MOTU and help out REVUing
[09:37] <zakame> dolson: that will be RSN :D
[09:38] <dolson> for reals?!
[09:38] <dolson> cuz there's a lot of packages there that need to be REVUd
[09:38] <dolson> and <3 days isn't much time
[09:39] <xerox_> zakame: what does 'RSN' mean?
[09:40] <zakame> xerox_: Real Soon Now
[10:07] <zakame> hmm has the upload process changed?
[10:07] <zakame> I've committed makeztxt a while ago and I haven't received any ACCEPTED/REJECTED mail :/
[10:07] <TheMuso> Is anybody else getting connection resets on a.u.c or au.a.u.c?
[10:08] <zakame> TheMuso: I did, yesterday
[10:08] <dolson> zakame: I haven't received any email of that sort... ever?
[10:09] <zakame> dolson: you have your packages uploaded right? you should get something like the above
[10:10] <dolson> oh, you mean if they are accepted out or REVU
[10:11] <TheMuso> zakame: Ok thanks. I was, and I am still occasionally getting them as well. Looks like people are still getting the flite images.
[10:14] <zakame> yep
[10:15] <zakame> heya lucas
[10:15] <lucas> hi
[10:19] <siretart> zakame: I'd say lets minimize divergence. Note that python2.3 was kicked out of main, so all main python packages needed to drop python2.3 support. we still have python2.3 in universe, though
[10:20] <zakame> siretart: ooh k then, I'll follow that, thanks :)
[10:35] <TheMuso> Can anybody give me some guidence as to what I have to do packaging wise to create a package that is written in python? A link to some docs is fine.
[10:41] <ompaul> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CreatePackageFromSourcePackage
[10:42] <siretart> TheMuso: I'd say look at existing python packages
[10:42] <ompaul> TheMuso, also a quick look at  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch
[10:43] <TheMuso> ompaul, siretart, thanks.
[10:43] <TheMuso> Thats what I was intending to do. Just thought there may be particular info needed regarding python packages.
[10:43] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[10:44] <zakame> heya Toadstool
[10:46] <Toadstool> i'm happy my package is in Debian archive now, i'm waiting for it to pass through Ubuntu NEW ;)
[10:47] <Toadstool> too bad i've a lot of work to do, i'd really like to help :/
[10:49] <zakame> Toadstool: which pkg?
[10:49] <Toadstool> wide-dhcpv6
[10:51] <zakame> wb ajmitch_
[10:51] <zakame> heya pingu64
[10:54] <pingu64> zakame: hi
[11:10] <phanatic> hi people
[11:11] <zakame> heya phanatic
[11:11] <Gloubiboulga> hey phanatic
[11:13] <phanatic> :)
[11:13] <phanatic> my packages still not in archives (for almost 3 weeks now) :(
[11:15] <Gloubiboulga> same for me phanatic
[11:15] <Gloubiboulga> elmo has a lot of work I guess :)
[11:16] <phanatic> i guess too :(
[12:52] <nomed> hi all
[12:55] <Tonio_> hi
[12:59] <nomed> dholbach, when you'll be available for a while i would ask you a couple of things ..
[12:59] <dholbach> nomed: hi, fire away
[12:59] <dholbach> hi Tonio_
[01:00] <nomed> dholbach, it's about galago stuff
[01:00] <dholbach> ok
[01:00] <nomed> the other day i was reading that it seems not possible to include it on dapper
[01:00] <dholbach> Yes.
[01:01] <nomed> i'm building those debs because i need them ..
[01:01] <dholbach> It won't happen, ChipX86 said it's not ready yet, libgalago had a soname change in between and there is no release for quite a while, the stuff in SVN isn't ready for release either.
[01:01] <nomed> yep
[01:02] <nomed> mainly i would practice with debian packaging ..
[01:02] <dholbach> nice
[01:02] <nomed> i was thinking if you could take a look on few packages i'm building when they'll be ready
[01:02] <dholbach> I'm terribly busy at the moment.
[01:02] <nomed> this is not for dapper .. it's mainly for me ..
[01:02] <dholbach> Ok
[01:02] <nomed> yep .. i understand
[01:03] <nomed> no hurry :)
[01:03] <dholbach> Send me a mail once you have the source packages up somewhere
[01:03] <dholbach> and I'll have a quick glance
[01:03] <nomed> k
[01:03] <nomed> thanks
[01:03] <dholbach> Did you have a look at the packages that giskard made beforehand?
[01:03] <dholbach> He did all the packaging for Debian already.
[01:03] <dholbach> it's on alioth.debian.org
[01:03] <nomed> dholbach, i've seen them ...
[01:03] <dholbach> (although I had some remarks to the packages)
[01:03] <dholbach> Ah ok, cool.
[01:04] <dholbach> I suggest you talk to him.
[01:04] <nomed> but i think they have been pkged before that ChipX86 removed the debian dirs from svn
[01:04] <dholbach> He's very positive about collaboration.
[01:04] <nomed> i'll do that
[01:04] <dholbach> Oh he has by now... nice.
[01:10] <Hobbsee> bug 30268
[01:10] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30268 in kdenetwork kopete "Having a single contact in multiple groups always shows it as offline" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30268
[01:19] <Tonio_> if anyone has a few minutes to review this : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1885 ;)
[01:20] <Gloubiboulga> 'lut Tonio_
[01:24] <Tonio_> yop Gloubiboulga  :)
[02:01] <dholbach> monzie: you don't need op here - please de-op
[02:03] <siretart> is anyone interested in claws2 and could write an UVF request exception?
[02:03] <siretart> the author strongly recommends updating it in dapper
[02:03] <segfault> i'm packaging authconfig (that redhat one), should it fit in admin section?
[02:04] <siretart> segfault: does it actullay work in ubuntu? that would be great news!
[02:04] <siretart> segfault: yes, admin seems suitable for me
[02:05] <segfault> siretart: i'm still playing with it, but since it changes some "default" files, it should work too
[02:05] <segfault> and would be nice to have it
[02:07] <nomed> siretart, is claws2 == sylpheed-claws-gtk2 ?
[02:08] <siretart> nomed: right
[02:08] <nomed> http://claws.sylpheed.org/xubuntu/ <--
[02:09] <siretart> right
[02:09] <nomed> i'm not sure if it will be possible to have it for xubuntu-install cd
[02:09] <nomed> but it would be really nice
[02:09] <siretart> it needs an UVF exception report
[02:09] <nomed> siretart, i would do that but i don't think it's stuff for me :)
[02:18] <siretart> puh, my girlfriend is just asking me how to install kde includes
[02:18] <siretart> she wants to compile klear, a dvb application for kde
[02:18] <StevenK> *twitch*
[02:19] <siretart> hm. not even in debian.. strange that nobody prepared packages yet
[02:21] <StevenK> Some one has filed a RFP, though.
[02:26] <zakame> evening MOTUs
[02:27] <jpatrick> afernoon zakame
[02:27] <zakame> heya jpatrick ! :-)
[02:31] <siretart> well, I told her to bring her laptop tonight, perhaps we can do some usable packages :)
[02:42] <dolson> morning zakame
[02:50] <dholbach> hey dolson
[02:50] <dolson> hey dholbach
[02:53] <dolson> yay zakame is here!
[02:54] <zakame> heya dolson ! :D
[02:54] <zakame> got discon a while ago :/
[02:55] <zakame> hmm, tuxpaint has a couple of .desktop files in separate sections in the Applications menu? is this intentional?
[03:22] <tseng> hey does anyone have moinmoin themes beyond what is on the moin wiki
[03:23] <tseng> or am i left to roll my own
[03:32] <Yagisan> tseng: mhz is the moin guru around here - he may know
[03:33] <Yagisan> s/guru/evangelist
[03:33] <mhz> Yagisan: hi there
[03:33] <mhz> oh, 2 lines only, cool!
[03:34] <mhz> tseng: hi ther
[03:34] <mhz> e
[03:34] <Yagisan> G'day mhz - Was Kate's birthday yesterday (20th), she turned 2.
[03:35] <mhz> Yagisan: yeah, today when I woke up, I remembered someones was tunring 2
[03:35] <mhz> but couldnt rememeber who
[03:35] <mhz> Yagisan: HB to her!
[03:36] <tseng> mhz: haha hi
[03:36] <Yagisan> thanks mhz
[03:36] <tseng> mhz: im starting to hack the css myself to get it to look like my other webapps
[03:36] <mhz> tseng: you need moin stuff?
[03:36] <tseng> mm was just looking for themes that dont suck
[03:36] <tseng> ThemeMarket is pretty rough
[03:36] <tseng> i can make my own
[03:36] <mhz> tseng: urls for reference and better understanding of what the outcome will look like?
[03:37] <mhz> tseng: well, yes, everyone has his own tastes
[03:48] <tseng> mhz: its an internal wiki, sorry
[03:49] <tseng> mhz: i just took leftsidebarsmaller and hacked the css to make my own stuff
[03:52] <sistpoty> hi folks
[03:53] <jpatrick> afternoon sistpoty
[03:53] <zakame> heya sistpoty
[04:00] <jpatrick> can someone look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1889 ?
[04:01] <zakame> jpatrick: I'm looking at 1885
[04:02] <jpatrick> ah Tonio_'s kleansweep
[04:08] <Tonio_> zakame: thanks for revuying
[04:08] <zakame> heya bmonty
[04:20] <bmonty> hey zakame
[05:36] <sistpoty> Gloubiboulga: does the current libswitch-package on revu work right now?
[05:38] <Tonio_> sistpoty: I'm in contact with upstreams and they are gonna correct lots of things or tomorrow
[05:39] <sistpoty> Tonio_: for what package?
[05:39] <Tonio_> I will package everything tomorrow evening, and see with motus to get that revued before freeze
[05:39] <Tonio_> for libswitch
[05:39] <Tonio_> there are lots of things that will not let the package in universe
[05:39] <Tonio_> elmo will not accept that....
[05:39] <sistpoty> Tonio_: like?
[05:40] <Tonio_> like binary called "switch", which is by far too generic
[05:40] <sistpoty> ah, k...
[05:40] <Tonio_> it is installed in /etc by default, wich is not correct
[05:40] <Tonio_> I sent a list of all improvements to be done for debian policy validation, and upstreams are working on it right now
[05:40] <jpatrick> Gloubiboulga: ping
[05:41] <Tonio_> for example kswitch/gswitch is a realy bad name
[05:41] <sistpoty> Tonio_: did you talk to Gloubiboulga about that?
[05:41] <Tonio_> should be knetswitch/gnetswitch
[05:41] <Tonio_> sistpoty: yes
[05:41] <sistpoty> Tonio_: cool :)
[05:41] <sistpoty> Tonio_: then I'll archive these pacakges?
[05:42] <Tonio_> sistpoty: you can archive libswitch and gswitch
[05:42] <Tonio_> there will be new packages with new names from svn tomorrow
[05:42] <Tonio_> another example of problems is that libswitch contains a lib and a binary.... should be called netswitch instead
[05:43] <Tonio_> the package has been rejected by elmo as far as Ican see, and I know he doesn't like generic names
[05:43] <sistpoty> ah... the latest packages on revu seem quite nice, though... but let's just wait for new upstream version :)
[05:44] <Tonio_> I really hope that we will have time to test and revu, cause we really need a working networkconf tool on the kde part
[05:44] <Tonio_> sistpoty: the problem is that the tarball structure will be completly different, and will require a complete repackaging...
[05:44] <sistpoty> oh
[05:45] <Tonio_> the binary "switch" will become "netswitch", the old "netswitch" will be removed, libswitch will become "netswitch", gswitch will become gnetswitch etc........
[05:46] <Tonio_> too much differencies packages on the base of the existing revu stuff...
[05:46] <sistpoty> sounds like some work that still needs to be done ;)
[05:46] <Gloubiboulga> jpatrick, pong
[05:46] <Tonio_> sistpoty: not much I think. It'll be okay for tomorrow according to upstream
[05:46] <sistpoty> Gloubiboulga: kamion just tried to ping you on -devel
[05:46] <jpatrick> Gloubiboulga: I think you should check your mail
[05:46] <jpatrick> yeah that^
[05:47] <Gloubiboulga> k thanks
[05:47] <Tonio_> Gloubiboulga: I have a problem for tomorrow evening.........
[05:48] <Tonio_> Gloubiboulga: I will not be there in order to discuss the packaging with you (thanks for the french telecom company)
[05:48] <Tonio_> is that a problem if I package the all stuff ?
[05:49] <Tonio_> we cannot waste time on this if we want to see it is universe I think........
[05:49] <Gloubiboulga> Tonio_, no problem, package everything you want
[05:49] <Tonio_> Gloubiboulga: thanks :)
[05:50] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[05:50] <sistpoty> btw.: anybody wanting to review trigger/trigger-data? *g*
[05:50] <Tonio_> Gloubiboulga: I really don't like to overwrite other packagers' stuff, but there emergency on that point concerning kubuntu
[05:50] <Gloubiboulga> Tonio_, really, that's ok
[05:51] <Gloubiboulga> I really want to hav {net,k,g}switch in dapper ;)
[05:52] <Tonio_> Gloubiboulga: should say {net,gnet,knet} now ;)
[05:53] <Gloubiboulga> right :)
[06:03] <Gloubiboulga> sistpoty, thanks for your comment on REVU for libswitch ;)
[06:04] <sistpoty> Gloubiboulga: no problem... just archived it because of Tonio_'s announcement of new upstream version ;)
[06:06] <Tonio_> sistpoty: will be build from svn unfortunately ;)
[06:06] <sistpoty> hehe
[06:06] <Tonio_> hum, what is the correct naming for an svn based package ? I can't find any example....
[06:06] <Tonio_> Gloubiboulga: I'm packaging netswitch and gnetswitch right now
[06:06] <Tonio_> just that naming issue
[06:06] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[06:06] <sistpoty> Tonio_: imo nexuiz or quake3 should give you an example for naming
[06:07] <Tonio_> ah nexuiz, exact ;)
[06:09] <Tonio_> sistpoty: netswitch_3.99+svn02202006.orig.tar.gz I think that should be correct
[06:10] <sistpoty> Tonio_: if the next released version is 4.0, it should be correct (though I tend to get version wrong sometimes)
[06:11] <Tonio_> sistpoty: next release will be 4.0
[06:11] <sistpoty> Tonio_: yep, than 4.0 is at least higher than the svn version :)
[06:12] <sistpoty> Tonio_: oh... maybe you should put the date the other way round (20060220) so that a newer svn-checkout is always higher than the previous one?
[06:13] <sistpoty> jpatrick: did you ask s.o. yet where to put the shared objects of kmplayer?
[06:13] <Tonio_> sistpoty: done, thanks :)
[06:13] <sistpoty> :)
[06:13] <LaserJock> dholbach: ping?
[06:13] <sistpoty> hi LaserJock
[06:13] <dholbach> LaserJock: pong
[06:13] <jpatrick> sistpoty: not yet
[06:13] <sistpoty> jpatrick: please do ;)
[06:13] <jpatrick> sistpoty: trying to get kwin-style-crystal in first
[06:14] <LaserJock> dholbach: we folded SyncRequests into WorkInProgress
[06:14] <sistpoty> jpatrick: ah, k
[06:14] <dholbach> ok cool, thanks.
[06:15] <LaserJock> dholbach: do you track any stats on the Bug Days
[06:15] <dholbach> LaserJock: no, I unfortunately don't :/
[06:16] <LaserJock> dholbach: I was sort of of the science bugs
[06:17] <dholbach> ah cool
[06:17] <Gloubiboulga> Tonio_, next release is 0.4, not 4.0 iirc
[06:17] <LaserJock> dholbach: I was going to do a post-Hug Day report on ubuntu-science ;-)
[06:17] <Tonio_> argh
[06:17] <Tonio_> Gloubiboulga: oups ;)
[06:17] <Gloubiboulga> hehe
[06:18] <LaserJock> hi raphink
[06:18] <dholbach> LaserJock: oh nice - that'd be great for other mailinglists too
[06:20] <sistpoty> LaserJock: I just tried to clarify workinprogress a little bit... could you recheck pls
[06:20] <sistpoty> ??
[06:23] <LaserJock> sistpoty: I would actually move the "Done" explination to the top because people will read it all at the top.
[06:24] <sistpoty> LaserJock: yep
[06:25] <sistpoty> LaserJock: moved it to the top
[06:27] <LaserJock> sistpoty: looks good, now I should probably move the sync requests I and dolson had down to Done
[06:35] <sistpoty> LaserJock: yes, would be good :)
[06:37] <LaserJock> done
[06:52] <sistpoty> is Alexis Saettler here?
[07:21] <phanatic> hi people
[07:23] <sistpoty> hi phanatic
[07:40] <marcin`> raphink: ping
[07:41] <raphink> wait a min marcin`
[07:43] <marcin`> raphink: ok
[07:46] <Se7h> hi
[07:47] <LaserJock> hi Se7h
[07:56] <marcin`> raphink: join #vtiger-bounty when you will have some time
[08:24] <sistpoty> ping tepsipakki
[08:28] <tepsipakki> pong sistpoty
[08:28] <sistpoty> tepsipakki: I just looked at gtkpod-aac, it only has some minor issues
[08:28] <sistpoty> tepsipakki: just look at the comments, and ask if s.th. is unclear
[08:29] <tepsipakki> cool, gimme a sec
[08:30] <tepsipakki> ok, s/universe/dapper, that's a typo ;)
[08:31] <tepsipakki> versioning: I would've started from 0.1 as was suggested on the guide
[08:31] <tepsipakki> but I already made ubuntu1 and 2
[08:31] <sistpoty> tepsipakki: what guide suggests 0.1?
[08:32] <sistpoty> tepsipakki: you can use ubuntu1 in case it wasn't uploaded yet (and merge the changelog) or add another revision ubuntu3
[08:32] <sistpoty> tepsipakki: but ubuntuX.Y is for security uploads only ;)
[08:33] <tepsipakki> in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Reviewing
[08:33] <tepsipakki> but yeah, maybe it was silly to do 2.1...
[08:34] <sistpoty> hm... I think I'll correct the guide ;)
[08:35] <sistpoty> ping raphink
[08:35] <tepsipakki> heh
[08:37] <tepsipakki> I don't think iPods will ever support other nonfree formats ;)
[08:38] <tepsipakki> so maybe the name is safe in that regard
[08:38] <tepsipakki> me too
[08:38] <sistpoty> ok, then that's good
[08:38] <tepsipakki> but that can be changed later if I'm wrong
[08:39] <sistpoty> sure
[08:39] <tepsipakki> I'll make the changes and upload 0ubuntu3
[08:39] <sistpoty> (though this involves removing the old package from the archives and forces an updated version through the new queue)
[08:40] <sistpoty> tepsipakki: cool, will look at it once it's there
[09:03] <sistpoty> raphink: I just added some FIXME's to MOTU/Packages/Reviewing... would you like to review the changes?
[09:16] <Kyral> hmm
[09:16] <Kyral> Uhh...whats "Too Recent" mean on the UVF Exception page on the Wiki?
[09:24] <tepsipakki> sistpoty: ok, gtkpod-aac_0.99.2-0ubuntu3 uploaded to REVU. I got lintian happy as well
[09:37] <Gloubiboulga> wb sistpoty
[09:37] <sistpoty> re Gloubiboulga
[10:00] <sistpoty> dholbach: can you review trigger/trigger-data as well? pleeeeeaase ;)
[10:00] <dholbach> ok
[10:11] <Kyral> gah, I forgot how to make Emacs display the date and time on the Modeline on startup
[10:40] <sistpoty> bah... I'll never try to write a very quick guide in an email again *g*
[10:49] <stratus> sistpoty, fyi i uploaded pyspf (some days ago, i think) it needs manual override change (due to new binary), so it will take some more days to be a UVF exception candidate. I'll let you know.
[10:49] <sistpoty> thanks for the info, stratus :)
[10:50] <stratus> sistpoty, np you're welcome =)
[11:00] <lfittl> sistpoty: could you review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1897 again?
[11:03] <sistpoty> lfittl: yep, will do
[11:03] <lfittl> sistpoty: thx
[11:07] <sistpoty> lfittl: looks good... I'll just do another test-build...
[11:10] <ajmitch_> hi
[11:10] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch_
[11:10] <ajmitch_> no UVF exceptions requested yet this week?
[11:10] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: doesn't look like it...
[11:11] <sistpoty> lfittl: did you test the latest version if it's actually working?
[11:12] <lfittl> sistpoty: I dont have the needed hardware to test it, but at least the graphical interface starts up without any problem..
[11:13] <sistpoty> lfittl: ok, I guess I'll grab dholbachs prior advocacy and upload
[11:13] <lfittl> sistpoty: k, perfect :)
[11:16] <sistpoty> wow, I can double-advocate with revu1... what a crack :)
[11:17] <lfittl> nice :)
[11:17] <ajmitch> sistpoty: blame the coders
[11:17] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:21] <stratus> ajmitch, hi!
[11:22] <ajmitch> hi stratus
[11:22] <stratus> :)
[11:23] <stratus> ajmitch, i see your uvf exception request for f-spot, flickrnet is in finally!
[11:23] <sistpoty> dolson: just read your comment regarding dssi... can the unstable-version be used for ubuntu w.o. changes?
[11:23] <ajmitch> stratus: yes
[11:23] <sistpoty> dolson: or would the dssi-package on revu be the more appropriate choice?
[11:24] <dolson> sistpoty: I didn't change anything, just downloaded src and applied diff and built it
[11:24] <ajmitch> stratus: now we just have to wait & see if it can get into main
[11:24] <sistpoty> dolson: ah, k... sounds good... I hope it will be in soon
[11:24] <dolson> sistpoty: I'm pretty sure someone here was talking with fbond about using his vs using debians, and it was decided to use debians
[11:25] <sistpoty> dolson: at least that's what I make from the comments to dssi-package on revu ;)
[11:25] <stratus> ajmitch, oh it would be cool in a user perspective but i would to keep it in universe (updating for 0.1.9) for dapper.
[11:25] <ajmitch> stratus: seb128 just said the same, probably too late for main
[11:26] <dolson> sistpoty: someone said they sent a sync request to... I can't remember who does it, is it elmo? anyhow, I don't recall who it was. I'm bad with names :(
[11:26] <stratus> ajmitch, btw i was squashing some bugs and reducing the piupartme code.  Hopefully i'll run the first universe run in the next week during the carnival here.
[11:26] <stratus> ajmitch, oh i agree but i hope to see the latest version in universe for dapper.
[11:26] <sistpoty> dolson: elmo does the syncs... but unfortunately sync's are currently on hold for some time :(... (I didn't see a sync going through for at least 3 weeks)
[11:27] <ajmitch> stratus: sure, we'll see what comes of the UVF exception request
[11:28] <stratus> ajmitch, talking about your request i think dholbach haven't forwarded it yet (he's sending in batch mode, you know). I think you know, but we're tracking the requests status in the wiki: MOTU/UVFStatus
[11:29] <ajmitch> I'm aware of that
[11:30] <stratus> ajmitch, cool.
[11:30] <stratus> ajmitch, and if you care about launchpad clients, i did some progress with launchme (python library) code. :)
[11:31] <dolson> sistpoty: well, the version that Forest made is good too... we could un-archive it and get it in.. I don't know what the chances are that syncs will happen
[11:31] <stratus> there's auth code, download rdf, product checking and potfile download will come next
[11:31] <stratus> i would like suggestions and code contributions
[11:32] <sistpoty> dolson: imo chances are equally bad to get it through new queue as well as to get it in by sync (both are handled by elmo)...
[11:32] <dolson> oh lovely
[11:33] <ajmitch> stratus: have you discussed this with the launchpad developers?
[11:33] <sistpoty> dolson: since the package is maintained in debian, I would stick with the sync... if there won't be any reaction to syncs soon, we can consider directly uploading the debian-version ...
[11:34] <dolson> sistpoty: but it won't make a difference, will it? or can you bypass NEW?
[11:34] <stratus> ajmitch, oh they're aware of my project yes, at least daf, kiko and stevea.
[11:34] <ajmitch> stratus: and where is the code? :)
[11:34] <stratus> ajmitch, it's a bzr repo in people.d.o/~stratus/bzr/launchme--main
[11:34] <sistpoty> dolson: no, I can't... but if it's already in debian, eventually elmo can be poked to make it pass NEW a little bit sooner :)
[11:35] <dolson> sistpoty: it seems a bit ridiculous to have only one person take care of so much stuff.. has anyone ever suggested having a second person to help out?
[11:36] <sistpoty> dolson: iirc we had that discussion already several times... but no success till now
[11:36] <ajmitch> dolson: suggesting it won't get you anywhere
[11:37] <TheMuso> Quick question all. If I have found a bug in a package in universe, do I report the bug, and attach my debdiff? If so, who do I then assign it to etc?
[11:38] <stratus> cabal asks for silence
[11:39] <dolson> ajmitch: well there's nothing else I can do to get me anywhere at this time. I obviously don't know enough to volunteer my services right now
[11:39] <sistpoty> TheMuso: yes... assign the bug to motu-reviewers (and ping a motu right here ;)
[11:40] <TheMuso> sistpoty: Thanks.
[11:40] <ajmitch> dolson: and volunteering your services to replace elmo won't get you anywhere either ;)
[11:40] <ajmitch> unless you knew the archive & the software inside out
[11:41] <stratus> yes, it's worth mention that elmo wrote that stuff
[11:41] <dolson> ajmitch: right, well I wasn't suggesting a replacement, only a helper. like, a Grover or something
[11:41] <keyes> hello
[11:41] <stratus> dolson, in ubuntu or debian?
[11:41] <ajmitch> dolson: there are already 1 or 2 others who help out a bit with that
[11:41] <dolson> hi keyes
[11:42] <keyes> i've a package to submit (tabgrab), where is revu (sorry ...)
[11:42] <stratus> btw, ther are "helpers" or co-whatever in both projects
[11:43] <Hobbsee> keyes: dput revu *.changes, if you already have an account on revu
[11:43] <dolson> I'm just going to shut up because I don't know what I'm talking about.
[11:43] <keyes> i've an account with my old email address
[11:43] <keyes> how to create a new ?
[11:43] <sistpoty> keyes: for information about revu, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[11:44] <keyes> thanks
[11:44] <keyes> i was looking for that
[11:44] <sistpoty> keyes: do you have an account on revu or somewhere eles?
[11:44] <sistpoty> s/eles/else/
[11:44] <keyes> oh
[11:44] <keyes> revu
[11:44] <keyes> with gpg keys and all
[11:45] <sistpoty> keyes: do you still have the same key or a different one now?
[11:45] <ajmitch> so that we don't have to go in & add keys & manage accounts there :)
[11:45] <sistpoty> ajmitch: consider contribution ;)
[11:45] <keyes> sistpoty: different
[11:45] <ajmitch> sistpoty: it's not up to me, isn't the RT ticket still open for access to the authserver?
[11:46] <sistpoty> ajmitch: oh, sure, I guess so... but the code isn't there as well ;)
[11:46] <ajmitch> the code is about 5 lines for authenticating, remember
[11:46] <ajmitch> I was around when siretart was looking at it at UBZ
[11:46] <sistpoty> keyes: just send a signed mail to keyring@tiber.tauware.de, and I'll create you a new account
[11:46] <keyes> sistpoty: i'm reading hat
[11:46] <keyes> that
[11:47] <keyes> (sorry for my english)
[11:47] <sistpoty> :)
[11:47] <TheMuso> MOTUs, bug #32199 https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/32199 ready for your reviewing pleasure. :)
[11:47] <Ubugtu> malone bug 32199 in speech-dispatcher "Speech-dispatcher does nt start properly on dapper, due to /var/run being mounted tmpfs." [Critical,Unconfirmed] 
[11:47] <ajmitch> keyes: better than my english :)
[11:47] <Ubugtu> malone bug 32199 in speech-dispatcher "Speech-dispatcher does nt start properly on dapper, due to /var/run being mounted tmpfs." [Critical,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32199
[11:47] <sistpoty> ajmitch: yes... I only took a glimpse at LP/authentication methods once... but looked pretty straightforward to me
[11:47] <ajmitch> TheMuso: how'd you fix it? created the directories in the initscript iff they didn't exist?
[11:48] <ajmitch> sistpoty: very straightforward, as long as we can get access to the authserver
[11:48] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Yes.
[11:48] <TheMuso> And sometimes when I removed the package if the /var/run/speech-dispatcher directory didn't exist, it would throw an error when removing.
[11:54] <sistpoty> dolson: just reviewed qmidiarp... package is fine, just one small note: ${misc:Depends} is unneeded. I'll upload the package anyway, and just drop ${misc:Depends}, if you don't mind
[11:54] <dolson> sistpoty: so I don't have to re-upload it? I can just change it on my source here for future
[11:55] <sistpoty> dolson: no, it's such a trivial change, I guess reuploading wouldn't be worth it, would it?
[11:55] <sistpoty> dolson: but you should change it in your local version ;)
[11:55] <dolson> sistpoty: I didn't think so. I just changed it. I'm cool with that. thanks!
[11:56] <sistpoty> np
[11:56] <dolson> now if only I could figure out why gmorgan FTBFS for dholbach, but builds fine for me..
[11:56] <keyes> you have new mail
[11:56] <sistpoty> dolson: do you build on the same arch as dholbach?
[11:56] <dolson> nope
[11:57] <sistpoty> dolson: maybe some 64bit issues...
[11:57] <sistpoty> (but I don't have amd64 myself, so I can't help you there)
[11:58] <sistpoty> dolson: yep, 64bit issues: MORGAN.cxx:30000: error: cast from void* to int loses precision
[11:58] <sistpoty> dolson: trying to stuff a pointer into an int
[11:58] <ajmitch> lovely
[12:02] <dolson> slomo: ping
[12:03] <slomo> dolson: pong
[12:03] <dolson> slomo: you use PPC? could you test if gmorgan FTBFS? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1859