[02:15] <YogSothoth> Hi!
[02:17] <YogSothoth> I'm in love with my Ubuntu laptop and I'm wondering if I will switch to Ubuntu Server instead of Debian for my next web server. I know this not a question to ask, but maybe someone had the experience of running both as web server so: what is best?
[02:21] <FlannelKing> YogSothoth, I'm hardly an authority, but I believe the administration of each is rather similar
[02:24] <YogSothoth> I though Ubuntu is maybe a bit more up to date for kernels and hardware, and a bit more easy to maintain up to date. But I though Debian is more robust and securised. But this is only "prejugs" (what's the English word for this?)
[02:29] <FlannelKing> Which debian are you running?
[02:30] <YogSothoth> good question
[02:30] <YogSothoth> old test one
[02:31] <YogSothoth> Linux servone.azuria-servers.net 2.4.28-azuria-g1 #4 SMP Sat Dec 11 14:48:59 CET 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:31] <YogSothoth> if it speaks to you :)
[02:31] <FlannelKing> debian sarge? or uh, um, was woody before that?
[02:31] <FlannelKing> and, you running apache or apache2?
[02:32] <FlannelKing> sarge and Hoary (current ubuntu) were based from the same package base
[02:32] <FlannelKing> as far as I know
[02:33] <FlannelKing> of course, ubuntu has its own changes, but originally I believe ubuntu mirrored sarge for this past release
[02:33] <YogSothoth> Apache2 but on the move to Lighttpd (+Rails+PostegreSQL)
[02:33] <YogSothoth> Hoary (current ubuntu) > isn't that Breezy?
[02:35] <YogSothoth> In fact the only think that I fear is that I could face the same issues I have to run Lighttpd+Rails from my Ubuntu laptop
[02:35] <YogSothoth> *thing
[02:35] <YogSothoth> it's a pain to install
[02:36] <YogSothoth> with FastCGI
[02:54] <LordHunter317> The only real concern presently with running Ubuntu over debian is security support.
[02:54] <LordHunter317> Ubuntu packages in universe aren't supported.
[02:54] <LordHunter317> for anyhting that's not LAMP or pythong, that generally means you're not /assured/ security updates.
[02:55] <LordHunter317> OTOH, Debian didn't have a security team for most of last year, so...
[02:55] <LordHunter317> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/ubuntu-server-dapper/server there's a list of what will be in main in dapper that's in universe now.
[03:05] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[03:05] <Psi-Jack> acpi=off in the kernel options should turn off the kernel's ACPI stuff, yes?
[03:06] <LordHunter317> yes.
[03:06] <Psi-Jack> Okay, how would I disable the fbcons? Don't need those on my servers.
[03:07] <Psi-Jack> vga=off?
[03:07] <LordHunter317> yes.
[03:08] <LordHunter317> that being said, i don't know what that'll do to bootsplash.
[03:08] <Psi-Jack> Then to remove the usplash, just take out the whole quiet and splash?
[03:08] <LordHunter317> splash should be sufficent.
[03:08] <LordHunter317> though quiet does control verbosity during startup.
[03:09] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, the fb stuff doesn't even work /prior/ to installation, anyway. Possibly because that particular system had troubles installing to begin with, probably didn't even get the splash installed. heh
[03:09] <LordHunter317> ahh.
[03:09] <Psi-Jack> CD-ROM drive barely let me install. I had to use it in expert mode to use the internet to fetch packages it wouldn't read off the CD>
[03:09] <LordHunter317> sounds like a bad cd.
[03:10] <Psi-Jack> Bad ROM drive, actually.
[03:10] <Psi-Jack> The CD worked on 5 other systems. :)
[03:10] <LordHunter317> well, one or the other.
[03:11] <Psi-Jack> I'm basically dist-upgrading to dapper on my two test servers. :)
[03:11] <Psi-Jack> And.. Wow. It failed.. :/
[03:11] <LordHunter317> have to be really careful with those.
[03:11] <LordHunter317> especially for dapper, which is like trying to land on a moving pin head.
[03:11] <Psi-Jack> hehe
[03:11] <Psi-Jack> It failed on coreutils.
[03:12] <LordHunter317> oww.
[03:12] <Psi-Jack> Removing `local diversion of /usr/share/man/man1/md5sum.textutils.1.gz to /usr/share/man/man1/md5sum.1.gz'
[03:12] <Psi-Jack> dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/share/man/man1/md5sum.textutils.1.gz' with
[03:17] <infinity> FlannelKing: Ubuntu is always based on Debian unstable.  The fact that Sarge and Hoary occasionally have similar package versions is only because they released around the same time, not because hoary was based on sarge (it wasn't)
[03:23] <FlannelKing> infinity, I thought we took the sarge source on the sarge release for Breezy?
[03:23] <FlannelKing> I suppose I was mistaken
[05:30] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[05:30] <Psi-Jack> Where's the libsasl2-modules-ldap? :/
[09:14] <virogenesis> hi
[09:17] <virogenesis> does anyone happen to have a apache2 httpd.conf mine seems to be trashed :(
[09:20] <virogenesis> never mind i know where i can get one
[10:39] <YogSothoth> LordHunter317, Hi thanks for your answer. I just had a look to the list and did not saw Lighttpd/Rails. Does that mean that if I use Ubuntu Server, I will not be garanteed to obtain security updates for these packages?
[03:06] <fabbione> neuralis: ping?
[03:08] <YogSothoth> pong
[05:43] <E0x> hello
[05:43] <E0x> for a proper webserver what packages i need install ?
[05:45] <spike> what's a proper webserver?
[06:20] <E0x> nevermind
[08:55] <Psi-Jack> "proper" webserver? heh
[10:10] <gusaweb> hello !
[10:12] <gusaweb> anyone who has experienced problems with telned on breezy?
[10:14] <LordHunter317> i suspect very few peopel run telnetd anymore.
[10:14] <LordHunter317> but what sort of issues.
[10:14] <gusaweb> in fact I have to use it only for my courses
[10:14] <LordHunter317> you have ot run a telnet /server/ for your courses?
[10:15] <gusaweb> yes
[10:15] <LordHunter317> well, what sort of problems are you seeing?
[10:16] <gusaweb> this line in /etc/inetd.conf doesn't work :
[10:16] <gusaweb> telnet              stream  tcp     nowait  telnetd.telnetd /usr/sbin/tcpd  /usr/sbin/in.telnetd
[10:17] <gusaweb> I have to put root, or telnetd
[10:17] <gusaweb> instaed of telned.telned
[10:18] <LordHunter317> is there a telnetd group?
[10:18] <LordHunter317> my guess is no.
[10:18] <gusaweb> I don't understand why
[10:18] <LordHunter317> because most daemons don't have matching groups.
[10:18] <gusaweb> yes and a telnetd group too
[10:18] <gusaweb> user I mean
[10:19] <LordHunter317> wait, now I'm confused (and was wrong about hte group thing, no matter)
[10:19] <gusaweb> (I am sorry, my english is poor, I am french...)
[10:19] <LordHunter317> is there a user or not?
[10:19] <LordHunter317> if you specifc user.group, both must exist.
[10:20] <gusaweb> there is a user there is a group
[10:20] <LordHunter317> and the telnetd user belongs to the same group?
[10:21] <gusaweb> root@megawatt:~# cat /etc/group | grep telnetd
[10:21] <gusaweb> utmp:x:43:telnetd
[10:21] <gusaweb> telnetd:x:119:
[10:21] <gusaweb> root@megawatt:~# cat /etc/passwd | grep telnetd
[10:21] <gusaweb> telnetd:x:119:119::/nonexistent:/bin/false
[10:21] <LordHunter317> if the primary group is telnetd, there's no need to specify it to inetd.
[10:23] <gusaweb> the group and user were created when installing the package
[10:24] <gusaweb> when I run /etc/init.d/inetutils-inetd start
[10:24] <gusaweb> i have the following line in dameon.log :
[10:25] <gusaweb> telnet/tcp: No such user 'telnetd.telnetd', service ignored
[10:25] <LordHunter317> oh, you're using the inetutils one?
[10:25] <LordHunter317> i don't know if it supports groups.
[10:25] <gusaweb> yes
[10:25] <LordHunter317> i always use the netkit one.
[10:26] <gusaweb> ok I am going to try
[10:28] <gusaweb> ok you solved my problem LordHunter317
[10:28] <gusaweb> it works
[10:29] <gusaweb> thank you very much
[10:29] <LordHunter317> np
[10:30] <monkey-leade> hi
[10:31] <monkey-leade> need help with rndc/ddns
[10:31] <monkey-leade> i get "rndc: connect failed: connection refused
[10:32] <fabbione> monkey-leade: -> #ubuntu
[10:32] <neuralis> fabbione: pong
[10:33] <fabbione> neuralis: hey.. just see my email about ganglia
[10:33] <monkey-leade> im in that room too but no1 answers
[10:33] <neuralis> fabbione: yep, saw it. basically, i don't care *that* much if new ganglia doesn't make it into dapper (although ante said he'd have new packages ready today), but it'd be nice to have.
[10:33] <neuralis> fabbione: so if the new packages are good, great, if not, we can just drop it. you're already too busy.
[10:33] <fabbione> neuralis: ok :)
[10:34] <Pygi> neuralis: is ante better after all that? :-P
[10:35] <neuralis> Pygi: hm?
[10:35] <Pygi> that snowboard thingy :-P
[10:37] <Pygi> neuralis: do you know what am I talking about? :)
[10:40] <gusaweb> bye
[10:42] <neuralis> Pygi: ah, yes. i haven't asked him about it in a while.
[10:46] <Pygi> neuralis: he'll get better eventually :)
[10:48] <Pygi> fabbione: ping, does anything else needs testing/attendance for now?
[10:49] <fabbione> Pygi: everything..
[10:49] <fabbione> the -server kernels are not on CD yet
[10:49] <fabbione> it will be a very good idea for everybody to test them
[10:49] <fabbione> even on your workstation
[10:49] <fabbione> the performance hit is minimal imho
[10:49] <fabbione> (modulo binary drivers)
[10:50] <Pygi> hm, I have a server where I believe I could test them...what exactly needs testing? stability? also, where can I find that kernels?
[10:53] <fabbione> Pygi: stability yes
[10:53] <fabbione> they are in dapper
[10:53] <fabbione> like everything else
[10:53] <Pygi> yes, that is understood :) repository? main I suppose?
[10:54] <fabbione> yes of course
[10:54] <Pygi> kk, I already have that daily server build running on that server, so I guess a server kernel won't heart
[10:55] <Pygi> Should I post to list to encourage people to test the server kernels?
[10:58] <fabbione> yes please
[10:58] <fabbione> that would be lovely
[10:59] <Pygi> kk, me go do that right away
[11:21] <Pygi> fabbione: done :)
[11:27] <sebest> is there some work going on toward a web admin tool?
[11:27] <sebest> is it a goal of the ubuntu-server project?
[11:29] <Pygi> sebest: There is a project for a web admin tool that is meant to *replace* or *be better then webmin* but it is not part of ubuntu-server project
[11:30] <sebest> Pygi: what is it? ebox?
[11:31] <Pygi> sebest: I g2g take a look...sec pls
[11:39] <Pygi> sebest: seems like a team was started with only 2 people in it, but don't know if they did anything...
[11:40] <sebest> Pygi you found the websote
[11:40] <sebest> site
[11:40] <Pygi> I found the team in launchpad
[11:41] <Pygi> those two folks wanted to use Ajax to build it 'cause they didn't liked webmin, and they were developing some part of webmin before I think
[11:41] <sebest> the project was based on webmin?
[11:42] <Pygi> no, they didn't liked the webmin
[11:42] <Pygi> I said that they were developing a webmin before :P
[11:44] <sebest> Pygi: i thought it was http://ebox-platform.com/
[11:45] <Pygi> what does ebox have to do with ubuntu? :-/
[11:46] <sebest> ebox, nothing, but it's a nice web admin
[11:48] <Pygi> hehe :)
[11:48] <Pygi> well, if you think you can, you can provide a package of it
[11:49] <sebest> i first wanted to know if there was some kind of "official" statment on the "web admin" topic for ubuntu server
[11:51] <Pygi> well, I belive that no web admin tool will hit the "Main" for now, meaning it won't be on the CD
[11:51] <sebest> pygi: btw it seems that they already provide debian packages
[11:51] <Pygi> and no, Ubuntu doesn't have a "dedicated" or "official" or "suggested" web admin tool to use
[11:51] <Pygi> you can use whatever it fits
[11:51] <sebest> Pygi: i m interested in the long term solution
[11:52] <Pygi> sebest: If I am not mistaken, ubuntu package are a lill' bit different from debian ones, altought debian ones can be installed, but not recommended
[11:52] <sebest> personnaly i don't need a web admin
[11:52] <sebest> Pygi: i just meant that if there is already package for debian, it wouldn't be too hard to make some for ubuntu
[11:53] <Pygi> hm, yes,true, but if you can't package it for urself, I suppose you could suggest it to MOTU's to package it...
[11:54] <sebest> i'm not especially interested in ebox, i'm interested in ubunu server for SMB
[11:55] <Pygi> I believe kernels are available for dapper in Main repository
[11:55] <Pygi> fabbione, please correct me if I am wrong
[11:57] <sebest> by smb i mean small and medium business
[11:58] <Pygi> isn't it sbs then ? :)
[11:58] <Pygi> but that's just the small one :P
[11:59] <Pygi> anyway, maybe get in touch with this team? https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-sbs
[11:59] <Pygi> and what in general are you interested in?
[11:59] <sebest> in general i'm interested in easing things :)
[12:00] <sebest> that's why i work on avahi
[12:00] <Pygi> :)
[12:01] <Pygi> aha :)
[12:02] <Pygi> what's the current status of it?
[12:02] <sebest> it's stable (functionnaly and API/ABI)
[12:03] <Pygi> ah, k :)
[12:03] <Pygi> what language is it written in?
[12:03] <sebest> only wide-area publishing is missing : publishing in an unicast dns server