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jsgotangcogo go flight4!04:04
mhzjsgotangco: hi there04:04
jsgotangcohey!04:05
mhzjsgotangco: have you ever talked about the following ubuntu topics: genesis, community contribution, ubuntu structure, more needing help areas, ubuntu projects, ubuntu flavours, etc?04:06
jsgotangcothose are pretty much available on the website04:07
ograjsgotangco, i'd love if someone could check my grammar ... i'm very tired and sure there are plenty of errors :)04:12
ogra(in the announcement)04:12
mhzjsgotangco: have you ever talked about the following ubuntu topics: genesis, community contribution, ubuntu structure, more needing help areas, ubuntu projects, ubuntu flavours, etc?i guess you know thta means reading every pdf or odp around, and not just knowing in advance what toipics each covers ;)04:14
mhzsorry, that got copied04:14
jsgotangcoogra: ok i'll check it when are you sending this?04:24
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jsgotangcoogra: you must be very tired, i couldn't understand the other stuff you written for the annoucement so i didn't edit much06:27
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JaneWI take it ogra is still asleep?08:01
jsgotangcoyeah08:02
=== JaneW wants to send out https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuFlight4Announcement
jsgotangcoi tried to edit his release annoucement but its so vague08:02
JaneWcan someone take a look for obvious errors please?08:02
jsgotangcosome parts don't make sense and i don't understand what he means08:02
jsgotangcohe must have been very tired08:02
JaneWwhen did you look?08:02
jsgotangcojust 2 hours ago08:03
JaneWoic08:03
JaneWdang08:03
jsgotangcohere's the part i dont understand08:03
JaneWI made a few minor edits, but having not tested it the text seemed ok to me08:03
jsgotangcoLTSP now understands the X_MOUSE_DEVICE and X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL lts.conf options and adds support for various serial devices from ipaq touchscreens and over plenty of mouse protocols up to some serial tablets.08:03
jsgotangcoThe as mentioned in a previous section, netboot mode speeds up the loading of the initramfs through the size reduction.08:04
jsgotangcojust have those 2 fixed and its ok08:06
JaneWoh yes there was funny grammar there08:07
JaneWand I only half fixed it...08:07
JaneWhang on08:07
JaneWlook now08:07
JaneWI made those bullet point to to make it more clear that they are separate items08:08
JaneWit seemed like a run-on sentence before08:08
highvoltagesentence fragment.08:09
jsgotangcoi didn't notice (im still at work)08:09
JaneWok well can someone check now after I fiddled?08:10
=== highvoltage reads
jsgotangcoit seems ok to me now08:21
highvoltageJaneW: looks good, i think08:23
JaneWcool :)08:23
JaneWshall I send it? I think ogra had a late night and isn't likely to emerge soon...08:23
jsgotangcowell that must be it08:24
jsgotangcoogra just asked to have it reviewed for grammatical errors08:25
jsgotangcoi hope08:25
highvoltageJaneW: in ubuntu, we tend to use "atp-get" instead of "emerge" ;)08:26
highvoltages/atp-get/apt-get08:26
JaneWhighvoltage: sigh08:27
=== JaneW will never be up to speed with all the requisite lingo :/
JaneW;)08:28
highvoltageJaneW: i'm already impressed by your current lingo set!08:28
JaneW*beame*08:30
JaneWSENT08:31
jsgotangcoOH GOD THERE'S A BIG ERROR08:31
highvoltagejsgotangco: when someone types in capital letters like that, it means they're joking :)08:35
highvoltageshame on you, jsgotangco!08:35
highvoltage:P08:35
jsgotangcoi was testing her :D08:35
jsgotangcooh jeez there's a huge error on that email08:36
highvoltageomg, you're right08:38
highvoltageour ltsp would never be able to do what we promise there!08:39
jsgotangcoi dont think she'll buy that either, we've already cried wolf08:45
highvoltageyep. we'll get her next time :)08:49
JaneWjsgotangco: pah, well I just resent now, cos I wasn;t subscribed to u-a with that address ;P09:24
JaneWblah blah09:24
jsgotangcoargghhh 09:24
jsgotangcofoiled again!09:25
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JaneWdon;t take me on with foil - I WILL WIN09:25
JaneWen guarde09:25
jsgotangconurse!09:27
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JaneWjsgotangco: you are killing me! ;)09:57
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ograouch ...11:27
ograJaneW, who has put the "there is a bug in the chroot handling" section to the bugs section ?11:28
JaneWogra: me11:28
JaneWogra: cos you mentioned it above...11:28
ograthis happens only on powerpc and breaks your installation if you run the command on systems where it worked fine11:29
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JaneWogra: ahh, I didn;t get that subtlety11:29
ograoh, wait ...11:30
ograits only update-kernels, wont break :)11:30
JaneWogra: should I sent a correction?11:31
ogranah ...11:31
ograi mixed it up with ltsp-build-client :) it wont break anything, so its fine 11:32
JaneWgood11:45
JaneWgah, such a long discussion...11:45
JaneWwe can;t seen to get this 'make everyone happy about Edubuntu11:45
JaneW' thing right11:45
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=== JaneW would like for us to once get a CD and announcement out, and to hear 'well done guys'.
JaneWor well done Ogra at least11:46
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highvoltageJaneW: didn't ogra get a "well done" last time? shame on whoever failed to comply.11:54
JaneWI think flight 2 was our best so far11:55
JaneWwhere did jsgotangco put the edubuntu docs he is working on?11:55
JaneWfound it..11:56
JaneWhttp://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/about-edubuntu/C/index.html11:56
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DeeJay1hello12:06
highvoltageogra: i have a flight 3 local copy, how do i rsync to flight 4 again?12:06
highvoltagehi DeeJay1 12:06
ograhighvoltage, in the dir with the iso: rsync -az --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso12:08
highvoltageogra: thanks!!12:09
DeeJay1hmm, can anyone point me to a wiki page with notes how to upgrade from edubuntu 5.10 to dapper? (yes, sadly I'm a victim of googlelitis - the inability to find the right pages on google :/)12:10
ograDeeJay1, all ubuntu documentation applies here :)12:10
ograchange all occurences of breezy to dapper in /etc/apt/sources.list and run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade12:11
ograthats all ...12:11
DeeJay1and hope for the best? ;)12:12
ograbut be warned, dapper is still in development, you might find bugs nobody knows about yet ;)12:12
ograexactly :)12:12
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DeeJay1I'm used to find bugs nobody knows about, that's the experience you get when using PLD Linux12:13
DeeJay1but it's a lot different from Ubuntu and I don't feel at home here sadly :/12:14
DeeJay1(the difference between Edubuntu and PLD is that Edubuntu "just works" where you can spend some time setting up a proper working environment in PLD)12:15
ograoh, btw, do you use the ltsp server in edubuntu ? 12:15
DeeJay1ogra: I do12:15
DeeJay1ogra: and apt-get dist-upgrade in the chroot will work ?12:16
ograi'd recommend to recreate the client chroot then ... there are changes a normal upgrade cant cover ....12:16
DeeJay1s/and/an/12:16
ograit would work, but you loose some benefits from additions to the default setup ...12:16
DeeJay1oh ok12:17
=== DeeJay1 thinks if there would be a way to teach network setup on a thin client
ogracreating it from scratch will for example rip out a lot of startup scripts we dont need on the client ... this isnt handled on upgrades12:17
ograso you'd loose the speedup gained through this ...12:18
DeeJay1ok, I'll try to find the manual on the wiki for this...12:19
ograsudo rm -r /opt/ltsp/i386 && sudo ltsp-build-client 12:19
ograif the first command complains about /var/lock /var/run, you should reboot between the two commands ...12:20
ograthats all you need ;) 12:20
DeeJay1khym, that looks easy :)12:21
DeeJay1BTW is there a newer login manager?12:21
ograyup12:21
ogra(not newer, but prettier)12:21
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ograsame code, new gui12:22
DeeJay1in the old one most things weren't working at all12:22
ograthey were ripped out and made optional now ... until they work fully automatic...12:23
DeeJay1hmm, ok, maybe I could help with it after my graduation in June12:25
DeeJay1brb, rebooting to edubuntu...12:26
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DeeJay1ooops, ENOSPC12:42
DeeJay1Need to get 645MB of archives, geez it would be easier to download a new ISO :)12:46
highvoltage:)12:51
ograand likely safer, since the milestone releases are tested to work ...12:52
ogra(see channel topic for the recent one)12:52
DeeJay1ogra: I know, but it's worth a try12:52
ogra:)12:52
DeeJay1and I can always report some bugs :P12:52
ograyay, i'm happy about every bug i get :)12:53
DeeJay1it's sad that you're not a mono developer, you could fix some bugs I can't cope with12:55
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eds0nhey, I'm running and Ubuntu server with vmware-server to run clients on a Edubuntu server. The mouse does not work, does anyone have any suggestions?01:01
eds0nthe mouse doesn't work on the vmware client01:01
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jsgotangcoogra: you haven't been sleeping that much lately02:01
ograjsgotangco, we're heading towards a freeze :) 02:02
jsgotangcoyeah02:02
jsgotangco2 days02:02
jsgotangco:)02:02
jsgotangcoamd64 is good btw02:02
jsgotangco(workstation)02:02
ogranormal should be as well ... i didnt test workstation, good to know, thanks :)02:03
ograi still have no idea what to do with amd64 wrt ltsp setup ...02:04
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signifer123are we using the 2.6.15 kernal for dapper?02:12
ograyup02:13
DeeJay1oh, BTW will it be possible to run i386 chroots with the amd64 version of Edubuntu dapper?02:14
ograyup02:15
ograbut currently amd64 automatically sets up a amd64 client environment that needs to be wiped first 02:16
ogra(the CD installer that is)02:16
ograand i'm not sure if i want to keep the autocreation or not ...02:17
ograremoving it on amd64 only is a huge amount of extra mainteance02:17
DeeJay1wouldn't it be possible to let the user decide which type of chroot does he want while installing?02:17
ograthat would add an extra question to the installer 02:18
ograwhich is a big nono in the ubuntu world ...02:18
DeeJay1oh, I see02:20
DeeJay1mono isn't shipped by default I suppose?02:20
ogranope02:21
jsgotangconope02:21
ograits not yet decided, it might be that f-spot gets in at some point which would pull in a basic set of mono02:21
jsgotangcohmmm how big would that be..02:22
DeeJay1so the "DeeJay1 writes a graphical installer for ltsp" option is out...02:22
ograhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/02:22
ograDeeJay1, how good are your pygtk skills ? thats exactly what ltsp manager is missing02:23
signifer123but the graphical installer for the base is done correct?02:23
jsgotangcooh cooollll02:23
=== jsgotangco will branch this
DeeJay1ogra: I have absolutely no skills in python02:24
ograDeeJay1, i thought about an autodetection on startup, if /opt/ltsp is empty a gui installer is started to create the client chroot02:24
jsgotangcothis is soo cool02:25
ograthats dapper+1 02:26
jsgotangcoyeah02:26
ograi wasnt allowed such heavy changes this time ... :)02:26
jsgotangcoi would expect that02:26
jsgotangcobut i'll branch nonetheless02:26
ograyeah 02:26
jsgotangcolate dinner02:26
DeeJay1ogra: that would be nice, but I think that it would have one drawback - root access, another password window wouldn't look good just after startup02:26
jsgotangcobrb02:26
DeeJay1ogra: one mustn't have /opt to be world readable (there are some funny guys out there)02:27
ograDeeJay1, it would be in your system tools menu and just start with gksudo like every other admin program02:27
ograits not a replacement for the routine in the installer...02:28
DeeJay1ogra: oh a small misunderstanding - with startup I thought - just after the installation02:28
ogranah, on i386 we can always assume the user wants a i386 chroot ...02:29
ograso the autoinstall will always run there ...02:29
ograpowerpc as well can only serve powerpc out of the box, so the autoinstall can run there as well by default02:30
ograand since there are only amd64 packages on the CD you cant set up i386 on amd64 from a single edubuntu CD02:31
ograso the only option is to disable the chroot aotubuilder on amd64 or leave it as it is and require the user to remove it 02:33
ogra(it = the chroot)02:33
=== DeeJay1 feels that leaving it would result in many "Edubuntu doesn't work on the thin-client" bugs
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ogratrue ... but thats something you can catch eith documentation ...02:34
ogras/eith/with/02:35
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zakameevening edubunteros! :D02:36
ograhey zakame 02:36
zakamehi ogra! :D02:38
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neurogeek.seen mhz02:46
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DeeJay1got to run, have a nice day!03:10
highvoltagebye, #edubuntu!03:27
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bobulatorhey ogra, we got one thin client working at least :D i think it is the graphics card thats the issue. unfortnately theone we got working was a fine computer in it's own right, but you know...05:55
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signifer123welcome back08:21
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michelhello in 4 weeks i go to cameroon to install 4 edubuntu ltsp network with 10 thin clients each, i would like to have help in case of... 10:12
michelwho is insterested to help and collect experiences 10:12
=== signifer123 is confused as to what you are asking...
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signifer123do we ahve a troubleshooter?10:21
signifer123have*10:21
micheli go with the material and i go to install it i test teh network here and it works but nobody knows what it cann happen there10:22
signifer123yeah...thats most of the fun :-P10:23
michelit would be intresting to collect experiences in these countries10:23
Burgworkogra, around?10:24
micheli ask because sometimes it is difficult to get really help on the chat10:24
ograBurgwork, very partially ... i'm terribly busy ...10:25
Burgworkogra, never mind10:25
signifer123what are some errors you have gotten before the login screen?10:43
signifer123aimed at all10:43
signifer123wait lol10:43
signifer123theres a forum for stuf10:43
signifer123where could i get a troubleshooter?10:46
signifer123general linux one?10:46
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