[04:04] <jsgotangco> go go flight4!
[04:04] <mhz> jsgotangco: hi there
[04:05] <jsgotangco> hey!
[04:06] <mhz> jsgotangco: have you ever talked about the following ubuntu topics: genesis, community contribution, ubuntu structure, more needing help areas, ubuntu projects, ubuntu flavours, etc?
[04:07] <jsgotangco> those are pretty much available on the website
[04:12] <ogra> jsgotangco, i'd love if someone could check my grammar ... i'm very tired and sure there are plenty of errors :)
[04:12] <ogra> (in the announcement)
[04:14] <mhz> jsgotangco: have you ever talked about the following ubuntu topics: genesis, community contribution, ubuntu structure, more needing help areas, ubuntu projects, ubuntu flavours, etc?i guess you know thta means reading every pdf or odp around, and not just knowing in advance what toipics each covers ;)
[04:14] <mhz> sorry, that got copied
[04:24] <jsgotangco> ogra: ok i'll check it when are you sending this?
[06:27] <jsgotangco> ogra: you must be very tired, i couldn't understand the other stuff you written for the annoucement so i didn't edit much
[08:01] <JaneW> I take it ogra is still asleep?
[08:02] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:02] <jsgotangco> i tried to edit his release annoucement but its so vague
[08:02] <JaneW> can someone take a look for obvious errors please?
[08:02] <jsgotangco> some parts don't make sense and i don't understand what he means
[08:02] <jsgotangco> he must have been very tired
[08:02] <JaneW> when did you look?
[08:03] <jsgotangco> just 2 hours ago
[08:03] <JaneW> oic
[08:03] <JaneW> dang
[08:03] <jsgotangco> here's the part i dont understand
[08:03] <JaneW> I made a few minor edits, but having not tested it the text seemed ok to me
[08:03] <jsgotangco> LTSP now understands the X_MOUSE_DEVICE and X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL lts.conf options and adds support for various serial devices from ipaq touchscreens and over plenty of mouse protocols up to some serial tablets.
[08:04] <jsgotangco> The as mentioned in a previous section, netboot mode speeds up the loading of the initramfs through the size reduction.
[08:06] <jsgotangco> just have those 2 fixed and its ok
[08:07] <JaneW> oh yes there was funny grammar there
[08:07] <JaneW> and I only half fixed it...
[08:07] <JaneW> hang on
[08:07] <JaneW> look now
[08:08] <JaneW> I made those bullet point to to make it more clear that they are separate items
[08:08] <JaneW> it seemed like a run-on sentence before
[08:09] <highvoltage> sentence fragment.
[08:09] <jsgotangco> i didn't notice (im still at work)
[08:10] <JaneW> ok well can someone check now after I fiddled?
[08:21] <jsgotangco> it seems ok to me now
[08:23] <highvoltage> JaneW: looks good, i think
[08:23] <JaneW> cool :)
[08:23] <JaneW> shall I send it? I think ogra had a late night and isn't likely to emerge soon...
[08:24] <jsgotangco> well that must be it
[08:25] <jsgotangco> ogra just asked to have it reviewed for grammatical errors
[08:25] <jsgotangco> i hope
[08:26] <highvoltage> JaneW: in ubuntu, we tend to use "atp-get" instead of "emerge" ;)
[08:26] <highvoltage> s/atp-get/apt-get
[08:27] <JaneW> highvoltage: sigh
[08:28] <JaneW> ;)
[08:28] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'm already impressed by your current lingo set!
[08:30] <JaneW> *beame*
[08:31] <JaneW> SENT
[08:31] <jsgotangco> OH GOD THERE'S A BIG ERROR
[08:35] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: when someone types in capital letters like that, it means they're joking :)
[08:35] <highvoltage> shame on you, jsgotangco!
[08:35] <highvoltage> :P
[08:35] <jsgotangco> i was testing her :D
[08:36] <jsgotangco> oh jeez there's a huge error on that email
[08:38] <highvoltage> omg, you're right
[08:39] <highvoltage> our ltsp would never be able to do what we promise there!
[08:45] <jsgotangco> i dont think she'll buy that either, we've already cried wolf
[08:49] <highvoltage> yep. we'll get her next time :)
[09:24] <JaneW> jsgotangco: pah, well I just resent now, cos I wasn;t subscribed to u-a with that address ;P
[09:24] <JaneW> blah blah
[09:24] <jsgotangco> argghhh 
[09:25] <jsgotangco> foiled again!
[09:25] <JaneW> don;t take me on with foil - I WILL WIN
[09:25] <JaneW> en guarde
[09:27] <jsgotangco> nurse!
[09:57] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you are killing me! ;)
[11:27] <ogra> ouch ...
[11:28] <ogra> JaneW, who has put the "there is a bug in the chroot handling" section to the bugs section ?
[11:28] <JaneW> ogra: me
[11:28] <JaneW> ogra: cos you mentioned it above...
[11:29] <ogra> this happens only on powerpc and breaks your installation if you run the command on systems where it worked fine
[11:29] <JaneW> ogra: ahh, I didn;t get that subtlety
[11:30] <ogra> oh, wait ...
[11:30] <ogra> its only update-kernels, wont break :)
[11:31] <JaneW> ogra: should I sent a correction?
[11:31] <ogra> nah ...
[11:32] <ogra> i mixed it up with ltsp-build-client :) it wont break anything, so its fine 
[11:45] <JaneW> good
[11:45] <JaneW> gah, such a long discussion...
[11:45] <JaneW> we can;t seen to get this 'make everyone happy about Edubuntu
[11:45] <JaneW> ' thing right
[11:46] <JaneW> or well done Ogra at least
[11:54] <highvoltage> JaneW: didn't ogra get a "well done" last time? shame on whoever failed to comply.
[11:55] <JaneW> I think flight 2 was our best so far
[11:55] <JaneW> where did jsgotangco put the edubuntu docs he is working on?
[11:56] <JaneW> found it..
[11:56] <JaneW> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/about-edubuntu/C/index.html
[12:06] <DeeJay1> hello
[12:06] <highvoltage> ogra: i have a flight 3 local copy, how do i rsync to flight 4 again?
[12:06] <highvoltage> hi DeeJay1 
[12:08] <ogra> highvoltage, in the dir with the iso: rsync -az --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso
[12:09] <highvoltage> ogra: thanks!!
[12:10] <DeeJay1> hmm, can anyone point me to a wiki page with notes how to upgrade from edubuntu 5.10 to dapper? (yes, sadly I'm a victim of googlelitis - the inability to find the right pages on google :/)
[12:10] <ogra> DeeJay1, all ubuntu documentation applies here :)
[12:11] <ogra> change all occurences of breezy to dapper in /etc/apt/sources.list and run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:11] <ogra> thats all ...
[12:12] <DeeJay1> and hope for the best? ;)
[12:12] <ogra> but be warned, dapper is still in development, you might find bugs nobody knows about yet ;)
[12:12] <ogra> exactly :)
[12:13] <DeeJay1> I'm used to find bugs nobody knows about, that's the experience you get when using PLD Linux
[12:14] <DeeJay1> but it's a lot different from Ubuntu and I don't feel at home here sadly :/
[12:15] <DeeJay1> (the difference between Edubuntu and PLD is that Edubuntu "just works" where you can spend some time setting up a proper working environment in PLD)
[12:15] <ogra> oh, btw, do you use the ltsp server in edubuntu ? 
[12:15] <DeeJay1> ogra: I do
[12:16] <DeeJay1> ogra: and apt-get dist-upgrade in the chroot will work ?
[12:16] <ogra> i'd recommend to recreate the client chroot then ... there are changes a normal upgrade cant cover ....
[12:16] <DeeJay1> s/and/an/
[12:16] <ogra> it would work, but you loose some benefits from additions to the default setup ...
[12:17] <DeeJay1> oh ok
[12:17] <ogra> creating it from scratch will for example rip out a lot of startup scripts we dont need on the client ... this isnt handled on upgrades
[12:18] <ogra> so you'd loose the speedup gained through this ...
[12:19] <DeeJay1> ok, I'll try to find the manual on the wiki for this...
[12:19] <ogra> sudo rm -r /opt/ltsp/i386 && sudo ltsp-build-client 
[12:20] <ogra> if the first command complains about /var/lock /var/run, you should reboot between the two commands ...
[12:20] <ogra> thats all you need ;) 
[12:21] <DeeJay1> khym, that looks easy :)
[12:21] <DeeJay1> BTW is there a newer login manager?
[12:21] <ogra> yup
[12:21] <ogra> (not newer, but prettier)
[12:22] <ogra> same code, new gui
[12:22] <DeeJay1> in the old one most things weren't working at all
[12:23] <ogra> they were ripped out and made optional now ... until they work fully automatic...
[12:25] <DeeJay1> hmm, ok, maybe I could help with it after my graduation in June
[12:26] <DeeJay1> brb, rebooting to edubuntu...
[12:42] <DeeJay1> ooops, ENOSPC
[12:46] <DeeJay1> Need to get 645MB of archives, geez it would be easier to download a new ISO :)
[12:51] <highvoltage> :)
[12:52] <ogra> and likely safer, since the milestone releases are tested to work ...
[12:52] <ogra> (see channel topic for the recent one)
[12:52] <DeeJay1> ogra: I know, but it's worth a try
[12:52] <ogra> :)
[12:52] <DeeJay1> and I can always report some bugs :P
[12:53] <ogra> yay, i'm happy about every bug i get :)
[12:55] <DeeJay1> it's sad that you're not a mono developer, you could fix some bugs I can't cope with
[01:01] <eds0n> hey, I'm running and Ubuntu server with vmware-server to run clients on a Edubuntu server. The mouse does not work, does anyone have any suggestions?
[01:01] <eds0n> the mouse doesn't work on the vmware client
[02:01] <jsgotangco> ogra: you haven't been sleeping that much lately
[02:02] <ogra> jsgotangco, we're heading towards a freeze :) 
[02:02] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:02] <jsgotangco> 2 days
[02:02] <jsgotangco> :)
[02:02] <jsgotangco> amd64 is good btw
[02:02] <jsgotangco> (workstation)
[02:03] <ogra> normal should be as well ... i didnt test workstation, good to know, thanks :)
[02:04] <ogra> i still have no idea what to do with amd64 wrt ltsp setup ...
[02:12] <signifer123> are we using the 2.6.15 kernal for dapper?
[02:13] <ogra> yup
[02:14] <DeeJay1> oh, BTW will it be possible to run i386 chroots with the amd64 version of Edubuntu dapper?
[02:15] <ogra> yup
[02:16] <ogra> but currently amd64 automatically sets up a amd64 client environment that needs to be wiped first 
[02:16] <ogra> (the CD installer that is)
[02:17] <ogra> and i'm not sure if i want to keep the autocreation or not ...
[02:17] <ogra> removing it on amd64 only is a huge amount of extra mainteance
[02:17] <DeeJay1> wouldn't it be possible to let the user decide which type of chroot does he want while installing?
[02:18] <ogra> that would add an extra question to the installer 
[02:18] <ogra> which is a big nono in the ubuntu world ...
[02:20] <DeeJay1> oh, I see
[02:20] <DeeJay1> mono isn't shipped by default I suppose?
[02:21] <ogra> nope
[02:21] <jsgotangco> nope
[02:21] <ogra> its not yet decided, it might be that f-spot gets in at some point which would pull in a basic set of mono
[02:22] <jsgotangco> hmmm how big would that be..
[02:22] <DeeJay1> so the "DeeJay1 writes a graphical installer for ltsp" option is out...
[02:22] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
[02:23] <ogra> DeeJay1, how good are your pygtk skills ? thats exactly what ltsp manager is missing
[02:23] <signifer123> but the graphical installer for the base is done correct?
[02:23] <jsgotangco> oh cooollll
[02:24] <DeeJay1> ogra: I have absolutely no skills in python
[02:24] <ogra> DeeJay1, i thought about an autodetection on startup, if /opt/ltsp is empty a gui installer is started to create the client chroot
[02:25] <jsgotangco> this is soo cool
[02:26] <ogra> thats dapper+1 
[02:26] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:26] <ogra> i wasnt allowed such heavy changes this time ... :)
[02:26] <jsgotangco> i would expect that
[02:26] <jsgotangco> but i'll branch nonetheless
[02:26] <ogra> yeah 
[02:26] <jsgotangco> late dinner
[02:26] <DeeJay1> ogra: that would be nice, but I think that it would have one drawback - root access, another password window wouldn't look good just after startup
[02:26] <jsgotangco> brb
[02:27] <DeeJay1> ogra: one mustn't have /opt to be world readable (there are some funny guys out there)
[02:27] <ogra> DeeJay1, it would be in your system tools menu and just start with gksudo like every other admin program
[02:28] <ogra> its not a replacement for the routine in the installer...
[02:28] <DeeJay1> ogra: oh a small misunderstanding - with startup I thought - just after the installation
[02:29] <ogra> nah, on i386 we can always assume the user wants a i386 chroot ...
[02:29] <ogra> so the autoinstall will always run there ...
[02:30] <ogra> powerpc as well can only serve powerpc out of the box, so the autoinstall can run there as well by default
[02:31] <ogra> and since there are only amd64 packages on the CD you cant set up i386 on amd64 from a single edubuntu CD
[02:33] <ogra> so the only option is to disable the chroot aotubuilder on amd64 or leave it as it is and require the user to remove it 
[02:33] <ogra> (it = the chroot)
[02:34] <ogra> true ... but thats something you can catch eith documentation ...
[02:35] <ogra> s/eith/with/
[02:36] <zakame> evening edubunteros! :D
[02:36] <ogra> hey zakame 
[02:38] <zakame> hi ogra! :D
[02:46] <neurogeek> .seen mhz
[03:10] <DeeJay1> got to run, have a nice day!
[03:27] <highvoltage> bye, #edubuntu!
[05:55] <bobulator> hey ogra, we got one thin client working at least :D i think it is the graphics card thats the issue. unfortnately theone we got working was a fine computer in it's own right, but you know...
[08:21] <signifer123> welcome back
[10:12] <michel> hello in 4 weeks i go to cameroon to install 4 edubuntu ltsp network with 10 thin clients each, i would like to have help in case of... 
[10:12] <michel> who is insterested to help and collect experiences 
[10:21] <signifer123> do we ahve a troubleshooter?
[10:21] <signifer123> have*
[10:22] <michel> i go with the material and i go to install it i test teh network here and it works but nobody knows what it cann happen there
[10:23] <signifer123> yeah...thats most of the fun :-P
[10:23] <michel> it would be intresting to collect experiences in these countries
[10:24] <Burgwork> ogra, around?
[10:24] <michel> i ask because sometimes it is difficult to get really help on the chat
[10:25] <ogra> Burgwork, very partially ... i'm terribly busy ...
[10:25] <Burgwork> ogra, never mind
[10:43] <signifer123> what are some errors you have gotten before the login screen?
[10:43] <signifer123> aimed at all
[10:43] <signifer123> wait lol
[10:43] <signifer123> theres a forum for stuf
[10:46] <signifer123> where could i get a troubleshooter?
[10:46] <signifer123> general linux one?