| Riddell | infinitezeros: why did you change the topic? | 12:06 |
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| Hobbsee | allee: yes - it worked fine till i fubar'ed my install, and hence reinstalled | 12:06 |
| Hobbsee | now it's worked once, and i'm trying to get it to work again, but it seems very tempramental | 12:07 |
| allee | Hobbsee: ipw2200 driver? | 12:07 |
| infinitezeros | i didnt do it on purpose riddell.... im sorry its my irc client | 12:07 |
| infinitezeros | will try to set it right hold on | 12:07 |
| Hobbsee | allee: no, it's a netgear wg511 v2 card - works with ndiswrapper | 12:07 |
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| Hobbsee | that better? | 12:08 |
| Riddell | thanks Hobbsee | 12:08 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 12:08 |
| infinitezeros | thanks hobbsee | 12:08 |
| Hobbsee | :) no problems | 12:09 |
| allee | Hobbsee: mhmm, okay. I have to rmmod/modprobe ipw2200 when I use wpa. | 12:09 |
| Hobbsee | allee: i tried out the 0.11rc1 version of ndiswrapper, or whatever it is - not sure if that's the problem. but i'm very tempted to get knetworkmanager from cvs and try that as well - kwifimanager has a tendancy to lie! | 12:09 |
| Riddell | I don't think knetworkmanager is in CVS | 12:10 |
| Hobbsee | ah ok - i had it working, until i cancelled out of the wpa test thing, which you're supposed to be able to do | 12:10 |
| Hobbsee | i thought that's how you'd said you'd gotten it... | 12:10 |
| sebas | BTW, the guidance team just showed that it took _only_ten_minutes_ from bugreport to ' | 12:11 |
| sebas | fix is in svn'. :-) | 12:11 |
| Hobbsee | wow! | 12:11 |
| Riddell | I should have reported it to bugs.kde.org, then you would have made the stats :) | 12:11 |
| sebas | Heh :> | 12:11 |
| sebas | Next time then. | 12:11 |
| sebas | Are playground bugs valid? | 12:11 |
| Riddell | sure | 12:11 |
| luka74 | allee: did you try hwcrypto=0 option - it helped me on ipw2200 | 12:12 |
| sebas | Aye! | 12:12 |
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| allee | luka74: no. But I'll try on time. | 12:13 |
| Hobbsee | testing... | 12:13 |
| Riddell | so new release of guidance or shall I patch? | 12:13 |
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| sebas | A patch is fine, I guess. | 12:16 |
| sebas | It's otherwise really only that space. | 12:16 |
| Riddell | ok, will do | 12:16 |
| sebas | +single | 12:16 |
| Riddell | tomorrow though, bedtime now | 12:16 |
| sebas | And we've got it in svn already too. | 12:16 |
| sebas | Ok. | 12:16 |
| sebas | Sleep well (here too). | 12:16 |
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| Hobbsee_ | heh night sebas and Riddell | 12:19 |
| Hobbsee_ | hi Mez | 12:19 |
| Mez | hey Sarah | 12:20 |
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| Hobbsee | hmm...newer version of wpa supplicant here... | 12:24 |
| Hobbsee | ping? | 12:28 |
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| Mez | pinging me ? | 12:40 |
| Hobbsee | was trying to see if my network connection was there at all. if i was pinging you, i'd say Mez: ping | 12:40 |
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| freeflying | Hobbsee: hi | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | hi freeflying :) | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | done :) | 03:29 |
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| freeflying | Hobbsee: where? | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto | 03:34 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying: ^ | 03:34 |
| Hobbsee | oh crud! i'd forgotten about the kubuntu meeting hehe! | 03:34 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: cool , I'd translate it into Chinese | 03:35 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 03:35 |
| Hobbsee | you can | 03:35 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: meeting? | 03:35 |
| Hobbsee | see /topic or fridge.ubuntu.com | 03:35 |
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| viviersf | Riddell, ping | 07:53 |
| mornfall | hmm, anyone with an idea why is libapt-front still in dep-wait? | 08:31 |
| mornfall | blocked by ia64? | 08:32 |
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| freeflying | I need package more packages ,anyone will give me advice | 08:48 |
| === Hobbsee suspects she's going to get very used to these early meetings at 20.00 UTC - seeing as she's at them for the next 2 days... | ||
| freeflying | Hobbsee: it's quite early for me . :) | 09:01 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 09:01 |
| Hobbsee | 4am or something? | 09:01 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: y, 4:00 AM | 09:02 |
| Hobbsee | ycuk | 09:02 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 09:02 |
| jsgotangco | :/ | 09:02 |
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| Tonio_ | heya | 10:06 |
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| hunger | please move the kde-guidance displayhw script to later in the bootup sequence (see #32268). | 10:18 |
| raphink | nope | 11:05 |
| raphink | oops | 11:05 |
| Riddell | viviersf: hi | 11:08 |
| viviersf | Riddell, hello, i have to remember what i wanted to ask :/ | 11:09 |
| Riddell | mornfall: libapt-front is fine but adept tried to build before libapt-front was compiled | 11:11 |
| mornfall | Riddell: libapt-front is failed on ia64 (says launchpad) | 11:12 |
| mornfall | possibly due to tagcoll being b0rked on the arch | 11:12 |
| Riddell | mornfall: ia64 is just broken like that | 11:14 |
| mornfall | aha | 11:14 |
| Riddell | hmm no, it is due to broken tagcoll | 11:16 |
| mornfall | right, i meant why is ept in dep-wait | 11:18 |
| Riddell | just because it tried to build before libapt-front was done | 11:20 |
| Riddell | we'll need to wait for infinity to wake up to ask for it to be given back | 11:20 |
| seaLne | didn't kdevelop used to have licenses in it so you could select GPL from the new project wizzard? | 11:20 |
| mornfall | ahum | 11:20 |
| mornfall | okey | 11:20 |
| Riddell | seaLne: sounds about right | 11:20 |
| Riddell | seaLne: could be another case of the kdevelop->kdevelop3 rename breaking things | 11:21 |
| seaLne | cause it means you end up with no license automatically inserted and have to edit every file manually | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: netswitch is packaged, I'm currently packaging gnetswitch, and I should get a tarball for knetswitch today | 11:33 |
| Riddell | cool | 11:38 |
| Riddell | these fonts do look big now with the DPI set | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kubuntu-default-settings will set all fonts to 9 by defualt | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | 8 or 9 depending | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | but the actual default for you is 12 I think no ? | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | I think 9 is a good compromise, but I personnaly prefer 8, what do you think ? | 11:39 |
| Riddell | 11 I think | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | 11 by default ?????? | 11:39 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: any idea what gnome uses? would be good to do the same | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | gnome is 9 I think | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | and 10 for rare things | 11:40 |
| Tonio_ | osx and windows are the equivalent of 9 and 8 respectively | 11:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/capture1.png | 11:43 |
| Tonio_ | that's 9 and I can confirm I have exactly the same size with gnome | 11:44 |
| seaLne | in ubuntu is there any similar concept to /etc/rc.local ie a way of things getting run at startup without aving to write init scripts?? | 11:46 |
| Riddell | looks nice | 11:46 |
| Riddell | seaLne: I don't think so (could well be wrong) | 11:47 |
| seaLne | yeah, bah | 11:48 |
| seaLne | hmm /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh | 11:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm correcting the amarokrc today and will send you the kubuntu-default-settings package tomorrow | 11:49 |
| Riddell | hunger: when does /usr become available? | 11:51 |
| seaLne | Riddell: a proper way seems to be placing scripts in /etc/rc.boot | 11:53 |
| Riddell | _Sime: I'll change displayconfig-hwprobe.py to S37, so it's after mountall | 12:28 |
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| Riddell | hi Hobbsee | 12:49 |
| Hobbsee | hey Riddell | 12:49 |
| Riddell | you should add a list of package you've touched to your wiki page | 12:50 |
| Riddell | packages | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | *nods* | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | *tries to remember what they are* | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | ah ha! now i'm remembering them | 12:54 |
| _Sime | Riddell: good | 12:55 |
| Hobbsee | updated :) | 12:59 |
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| freeflying | Riddell: hi | 01:15 |
| Riddell | hi freeflying | 01:16 |
| freeflying | Riddell: you have uploaded qt? | 01:16 |
| Riddell | freeflying: yes | 01:18 |
| freeflying | Riddell: I prepare apply for devel membership , will u give me any advice | 01:20 |
| Riddell | freeflying: the guy who reported that kde crashed on logout said the new qt fixed it so looks like those patches do the stuff | 01:21 |
| freeflying | Riddell: yeah, but after kde-3.5.1, i've not experienced that crash | 01:22 |
| Riddell | freeflying: your packages often need some corrections, I'm not sure if you should go for devel membership yet, dunno | 01:23 |
| freeflying | Riddell: so I need more experience :) | 01:23 |
| hunger | Any estimation on when kubuntu will suspend again? | 01:30 |
| hunger | doko: Worked for me. | 01:44 |
| hunger | doko: Was awfully slow for the last couple of min though. | 01:44 |
| luka74 | Riddell: another issue with new kpowersave - it wants to remove powernowd | 01:50 |
| luka74 | but powernowd is needed by *ubuntu-desktop :-( | 01:50 |
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| luka74 | (this is with 0.5.7 packages I was trying to repackage from debian) | 01:51 |
| hunger | luka74: maybe they can remove that in ubuntu-devel, too. They use gnome-power-manager now which at least offers a gui to config it. | 01:52 |
| luka74 | it looks like I will need to install Ubuntu once - just to understand how it works.. ;-) | 01:54 |
| hunger | luka74: Pretty well wrt. power management. | 01:54 |
| hunger | luka74: it is gnome though... so the other apps suck. | 01:54 |
| luka74 | the problem is the kpowersave has so many features that steps on Ubuntu implementation... | 01:55 |
| Riddell | luka74: yeah, that's why I want to strip out all those features and just use the ubuntu ones :) | 01:56 |
| hunger | kpowersave looks really good. | 01:56 |
| luka74 | that seems to be getting harder and harder with each release of kpowersave | 01:56 |
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| luka74 | Riddell: have you see another forwarded e-mail - it seems that there are just two incompatible views | 01:57 |
| luka74 | on how PM should be implemented | 01:57 |
| hunger | And it does not want my laptop to suspend to RAM | 01:57 |
| Riddell | hunger: if pmi is failing I think your problem is with the ubuntu scripts, not KDE | 01:58 |
| Riddell | well, could be linux, not just the scripts of course | 01:58 |
| hunger | Riddell: /etc/acpi/sleep.sh works fine. | 01:58 |
| hunger | Riddell: acpid recognizes the suspend button, too. | 01:59 |
| Riddell | hunger: and pmi? | 01:59 |
| hunger | Riddell: pmi action suspend does a suspend/resume cycle (as does pmi action hibernate). | 02:06 |
| hunger | Riddell: The box does not stay down. | 02:06 |
| hunger | Riddell: The same happens nowadays with /etc/acpi/sleep.sh:-( | 02:07 |
| hunger | Riddell: So this no longer is a kubuntu issue. | 02:07 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Plus the decissions reached will be documented, so we do not need to repeat the discussions all the time.~. | 02:21 |
| hunger | Sorry for that! | 02:21 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: now that moodin is in main you can add the kubuntu moodin splash and kdm theme to k-d-s | 02:22 |
| Riddell | if you haven't already | 02:22 |
| viviersf | what moodin ? | 02:28 |
| viviersf | *whats | 02:28 |
| Tonio_ | hunger, Riddell : it is done for a month at least ;) | 02:30 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: what's the problem ? sorry but I missed something I think ;) | 02:31 |
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| robotgeek | hey Tonio_ Riddell | 02:32 |
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| Tonio_ | robotgeek: ? | 02:33 |
| robotgeek | hey Tonio_ , just saying hi | 02:34 |
| Tonio_ | ah okay...... sorry but I'm actually between 10 things........ my brain doesn't follow correctly ;) | 02:35 |
| robotgeek | Tonio_: sorry to disturb, just could not resist! | 02:35 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 02:35 |
| Riddell | viviersf: a fancy splashs screen for KDE | 02:43 |
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| allee | Riddell: your guidance commit. changelog says 35, but in diff 18 is replace by 37. I hope the changelog is wrong ;) | 03:59 |
| Riddell | it should be 37 | 04:01 |
| Riddell | yeah, my mistake, but no harm done | 04:01 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: ping | 04:06 |
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| === freeflying wonder who can ? | ||
| jpatrick | me | 04:23 |
| freeflying | jpatrick: cool.thx | 04:23 |
| jpatrick | where is it? | 04:23 |
| freeflying | revu | 04:23 |
| jpatrick | well. which one? | 04:24 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: can you appect http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1917 ? | 04:34 |
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| jpatrick | hello jjesse | 04:53 |
| jjesse | hello jpatrick | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: pong | 05:14 |
| Tonio_ | sorry to be so late ;) | 05:14 |
| Tonio_ | crazy day for me | 05:14 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: no problem | 05:14 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: did you upload kleansweep finally ? | 05:14 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: just wanted you to know, you are cleared to upload kleansweep | 05:15 |
| Tonio_ | hum | 05:15 |
| Tonio_ | I don't like to upload my own stuff ;) | 05:15 |
| Tonio_ | but I will lol | 05:15 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: it's fun ;-) | 05:17 |
| Tonio_ | uploaded | 05:17 |
| jpatrick | you'll get an email... | 05:17 |
| Tonio_ | good ;) I really wanted kleansweep in ubuntu, it's a very very good application | 05:17 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: I already uploaded stuff, just that in my vision, my stuff should be uploaded by the latest approving motu ;) | 05:18 |
| Tonio_ | strange to upload own stuff | 05:18 |
| jpatrick | can you look at kwin-style-crystal? | 05:18 |
| jpatrick | latest improving motu? | 05:19 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: I will in a few minutes yes | 05:20 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: kwin-style-crystal is nice according to the debian folder | 05:24 |
| Tonio_ | but I'm not fine with those cpp files without any licence information | 05:24 |
| Tonio_ | that's a major issue, because it make those sources not GPL | 05:24 |
| Tonio_ | I can't put a YES on that..... you should contact the upstream to get a corrected tarball, and then you'll get a yes immediatly | 05:25 |
| jpatrick | too bad FF is tommorrow... | 05:25 |
| Tonio_ | I know.......... | 05:25 |
| jpatrick | can't we upload? | 05:25 |
| jpatrick | how about kautoclick? | 05:28 |
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| Tonio_ | jpatrick: need confirmation, but personally I would advocate this.... | 05:45 |
| Tonio_ | a licence issue isn't a small one | 05:45 |
| jpatrick | it's GPL on kde-look.org :) | 05:45 |
| Tonio_ | yes bt the only legal way to gpl a source is to put the licence info in the source files I think........ | 05:47 |
| Tonio_ | even the copying file isn't enought | 05:47 |
| Tonio_ | I'm looking at kautoclick | 05:47 |
| jpatrick | :/ ok, I'll ask someone else | 05:48 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: I'm sorry with this, but I need to sure on that point what to do.... | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: looking a kautoclick | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | what 's on the bottom of the copyright file ? | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | "This manual page.........." | 05:51 |
| jpatrick | was written by me | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | I know that :) | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | but why putting that in copyright ? | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | but okay, that's not an error | 05:53 |
| jpatrick | because it's under my copyright? | 05:53 |
| Tonio_ | the package looks nice ;) | 05:53 |
| jpatrick | :) | 05:53 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: I'm building, but that sounds nice :) | 05:54 |
| Tonio_ | just that the copyright file could be a bit more "clear" | 05:54 |
| Tonio_ | just puting the copyright info for the man and a Licence section concerning "the all application and debian/bla.docbook" | 05:54 |
| Tonio_ | for example | 05:54 |
| jpatrick | I copied what was at the end of debian/kautoclick.1.docbook | 05:55 |
| Tonio_ | I know ;) just that it is not necessary, but anyway, all infos are here, so the copyright is valid | 05:56 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: advocated | 06:00 |
| jpatrick | yay! | 06:00 |
| Tonio_ | I just added a little comment concerning the copyright file, which could be more clear in my view | 06:01 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: hum........ I lost that ! the man page isn't cleaned at the end of build.... | 06:02 |
| jpatrick | what? it's in clean:: | 06:02 |
| Tonio_ | clean/kautoclick:: | 06:03 |
| Tonio_ | rm -f kautoclick.1 | 06:03 |
| Tonio_ | it is in oups | 06:03 |
| Tonio_ | doesn't work for me | 06:03 |
| Tonio_ | clean:: might work | 06:03 |
| Tonio_ | that's not a big issue, but for future package ;) | 06:03 |
| Tonio_ | I always use clean:: | 06:03 |
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| jpatrick | right, reuploaded | 06:08 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: I just modified my comment also, there is still a little problem I missed concerning the .desktop file | 06:08 |
| Tonio_ | it is important to patch the .desktop file, adding GenericName and install it in XDG directory | 06:09 |
| Tonio_ | I revued too fast... sorry | 06:09 |
| jpatrick | usr/share/applications/kde ? | 06:11 |
| Tonio_ | yep | 06:11 |
| Tonio_ | and the .desktop requires "GenericName" and "Categories" at least | 06:12 |
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| jpatrick | I'm doing that :) | 06:12 |
| Tonio_ | thanks :) | 06:12 |
| Tonio_ | with that done, I will ad a YES, no pb, the package is very nice apart from taht | 06:12 |
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| jpatrick | Tonio_: oKay, finished (I think) | 06:23 |
| Tonio_ | is it on revu ? | 06:24 |
| jpatrick | yes | 06:24 |
| Tonio_ | let me check | 06:24 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: okay for the clean section, just build and it is removed | 06:26 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: what about the .desktop file ? I don't see any install directive on rules and no patch | 06:26 |
| jpatrick | it hasn't updated yet :s | 06:27 |
| Tonio_ | ah okay ;) | 06:27 |
| jpatrick | ok now | 06:27 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: the .desktop file still misses Categories | 06:28 |
| jpatrick | d'oh | 06:28 |
| Tonio_ | that's important because this is what defines where will the icon go in the K menu ;) | 06:29 |
| jpatrick | "Categories=Qt;KDE;" | 06:29 |
| Tonio_ | also, the GenericName is what appears in the K menu nearby the application name | 06:29 |
| Tonio_ | so the description is supposed to give a very short descrtive of the application | 06:29 |
| Tonio_ | for example : Adept (Package Manager) | 06:30 |
| Tonio_ | means that GenericName is set to "Package Manager" | 06:30 |
| Tonio_ | otherwise, the entry in the K menu will be a bit crapy | 06:30 |
| Tonio_ | that's all, the package is very clean ;) | 06:30 |
| jpatrick | :) | 06:30 |
| Tonio_ | sorry for bugging you with this, but the .desktop is very important, because you see it's content directly in the K menu | 06:31 |
| jpatrick | yep | 06:32 |
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| jpatrick | Tonio_: ok, I've finished | 06:40 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: cool ;) | 06:41 |
| jpatrick | oh finally, kcontrol-kdmtheme got in | 06:43 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: 2 patches named kubuntu_01 | 06:46 |
| Tonio_ | and concerning the .desktop : | 06:46 |
| Tonio_ | s/Categories=Qt;KDE;/Categories=Qt;KDE;Utility; | 06:46 |
| Tonio_ | that'll make it go in the Utilities section of the K menu | 06:47 |
| Tonio_ | also, s/GenericName=A simple KDE Application/GenericName=Task Automation | 06:47 |
| jpatrick | what about the i18n's? | 06:48 |
| Tonio_ | because I don't think seeying "Kautoclick (A simple KDE Application)" in the K menu is nice | 06:48 |
| Tonio_ | hum | 06:48 |
| Tonio_ | yes, that's a problem, and what I do is generally add GenericName and GenericName[fr] | 06:48 |
| Tonio_ | then send the patch to upstream | 06:49 |
| Tonio_ | I don't another solution | 06:49 |
| jpatrick | brb - supper | 06:49 |
| Tonio_ | I don't <have> | 06:49 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is that a generic comment like "A simple KDE Application" will make the K menu crappy....... | 06:49 |
| Tonio_ | if you look at kde stuff, you will see they have all languages directly in the .desktop file | 06:50 |
| === hunger hates launchpad. | ||
| Tonio_ | hunger: ping ? | 06:58 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Yes? | 06:58 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: I didn't understood your comment at 14:21 ;) | 06:58 |
| hunger | Tonio_: If it is about that thing I said earlier with your name in front: forget it. | 06:59 |
| Tonio_ | yes, I just wanted to understand :) | 06:59 |
| Tonio_ | okay, no pb | 06:59 |
| hunger | Tonio_: I was sending ssh-escapes to recover a stuck session and somehow those got bitchx to do something on the other end of the seemingly dead line:-( | 06:59 |
| === hunger thinks kpowersave looks promissing. | ||
| Tonio_ | hunger: totally agree ;) | 07:00 |
| hunger | Is that going to get used for kubuntu? | 07:01 |
| === hunger filed a couple of really minor bugs about it | ||
| Tonio_ | hunger: I would personally hope, but well, that can be complicated cause there is already ubuntu stuff on that point | 07:01 |
| Tonio_ | but according to my tests, kpowersave is really interesting | 07:02 |
| hunger | Tonio_: That is fine for gnome... | 07:02 |
| Tonio_ | maybe for dapper+1 | 07:02 |
| Tonio_ | are they using it actually ? | 07:02 |
| hunger | Tonio_: But breaking kubuntu for that is not nice:-( | 07:02 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 07:02 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Yes. ubuntu-desktop is using it. | 07:02 |
| Tonio_ | anyway, we may discuss that at tomorrow's meeting :) | 07:03 |
| Tonio_ | not for daper, but could be interesting for dapper+1 maybe | 07:03 |
| === hunger wishes kde and gnome could sit down and agree on the hardware issues. | ||
| Tonio_ | and what about ubuntu's gnome | 07:03 |
| Tonio_ | is powersave used actually ? | 07:04 |
| hunger | Tonio_: I use it (as far as possible in KDE). | 07:04 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Worked better in breezy... | 07:04 |
| Tonio_ | Ididn't test it on dapper, only breezy ;) | 07:04 |
| hunger | Tonio_: dapper's kernel breaks ksysguard's reporting of cpu frequency, etc. | 07:05 |
| Tonio_ | argh | 07:05 |
| Tonio_ | is that due to .15 version of the kernel, or is that specific to ubuntu ? | 07:06 |
| hunger | Tonio_: I did even try to switch to gnome since things work better there... but then I ended up very depressed trying to configure gnome. | 07:06 |
| hunger | Tonio_: From what I understand it is an issue with kernels > 2.6.14. | 07:06 |
| Tonio_ | it'll be fixed with the next version of kde then | 07:06 |
| Tonio_ | we just have to wait | 07:07 |
| hunger | Tonio_: ksysguard checks some file in /proc... | 07:07 |
| hunger | Tonio_: I do not believe in that yet. | 07:07 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Ksysguard is serioulsy lacking love for AGES now. | 07:07 |
| === hunger thinks kde would be better of changing it to be a GUI for HAL nowadays. | ||
| Tonio_ | hunger: that'll not be a problem with kde4 | 07:09 |
| Tonio_ | but till then........ | 07:09 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Yes... KDE4 is the promissed land... :-) | 07:09 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 07:10 |
| === hunger is happy if it just sucks less. | ||
| hunger | Tonio_: ... and if they really are going to switch to dbus in favour of dcop then I'll be happy if it does not crash too often. | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 07:13 |
| Tonio_ | the only problem with kde4 is that it is supposed to be so perfect and developped so quickly that I just wonder "I on earth are they gonna do ???" | 07:13 |
| Tonio_ | s/I/how | 07:13 |
| hunger | Tonio_: They won't:-) | 07:14 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: possible, yes | 07:14 |
| hunger | Tonio_: It will be a huge mess, like all mayor version changes. | 07:14 |
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| hunger | If dapper somehow manages to get stable till april then I'll stick with that till kde 4.1 (or downgrade to breezy). | 07:15 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: I really hope we're wrong, but I think that inevitable | 07:15 |
| hunger | Tonio_: I do hope, too... and my curiousity will kill me anyway... I'll probably end up with beta versions of the beast (in spite of what I just said). | 07:16 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 07:16 |
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| Tonio_ | hunger: I have to let you, going back home | 07:17 |
| jjesse | are you really having that many issues with dapper? | 07:17 |
| hunger | Tonio_: I claimed to not switch to dapper before it went stable... and here I am. | 07:17 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Bye. | 07:17 |
| hunger | jjesse: At the moment I have serious regressions and nothing I am euphoric about. | 07:18 |
| jjesse | hunger i really have had no problems except of my own causing :) | 07:18 |
| hunger | jjesse: Things like shutdown causing a hang of the system, suspend broken, etc. make the system hardly useable. | 07:18 |
| hunger | jjesse: I can not exclude that those problems are of my own making either. | 07:19 |
| hunger | jjesse: But I'm pretty certain they are not;-) | 07:19 |
| jjesse | hunger: ive run it on old hard ware and on vir=tual machines | 07:19 |
| jjesse | it runs just as stable for me as breezy | 07:19 |
| hunger | jjesse: This laptop is about 1yr old... not brand new either. | 07:19 |
| jjesse | my laptop is a dell inspiron 5150 | 07:20 |
| hunger | jjesse: Thinkpad T43p. | 07:20 |
| hunger | BBL. | 07:20 |
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| jpatrick | moodin in main!!! | 07:42 |
| robotgeek | yay! awesome! | 07:42 |
| === jpatrick wonders if he can still maintain moodin now... | ||
| jjesse | is the new adept installer a part of flight4? or not in yet? | 07:45 |
| mornfall | probably not in | 07:46 |
| mornfall | considering it wasn't even built today morning | 07:46 |
| jjesse | d'oh jumped the gun :) | 07:46 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: yes, just get me to upload | 07:46 |
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| jpatrick | okay, sir | 07:46 |
| mornfall | jjesse: it is built now though (mod ia64) | 07:47 |
| mornfall | not on my mirror yet tho | 07:47 |
| jjesse | wow why is cdimage so slow :( :( | 07:47 |
| jpatrick | jjesse: lots of people? | 07:48 |
| jjesse | are there local mirrors/ | 07:48 |
| mornfall | jigdo++ | 07:48 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: can you advocate kautoclick ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1922 ) Tonio_'s not around any more... | 07:49 |
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| jpatrick | hello kmon | 08:02 |
| kmon | hello jpatrick | 08:02 |
| kmon | thanxs for packaging kdm theme manager ;) | 08:02 |
| jpatrick | it's in dapper now | 08:02 |
| kmon | yep | 08:02 |
| kmon | just read the mail sent to the list | 08:03 |
| jpatrick | :-) | 08:03 |
| kmon | http://kubuntu-es.org/ is down | 08:05 |
| jpatrick | I know | 08:05 |
| === jpatrick is admin | ||
| kmon | I know ;) | 08:05 |
| kmon | Is there any wiki page for kubuntu suggestions for feature releases? I've found a page named kubuntu comments, but I don't know if devs read it... | 08:07 |
| Riddell | the wiki pages need their six monthly tidy up at some point | 08:10 |
| Riddell | kmon: please start a page KubuntuDapperPlusOneIdeas | 08:10 |
| Riddell | link to it from Kubuntu | 08:10 |
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| jjesse | feature freeze is comming up soon? so i can lock in changes to docs? | 08:16 |
| jpatrick | jjesse: that's doc freeze (I think) | 08:17 |
| jjesse | doc freeze is in march? | 08:17 |
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| robotgeek | yup, march 23'rd or so? | 08:17 |
| jpatrick | hey Tonio_ | 08:17 |
| Tonio_ | hi | 08:17 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: can I revu again ? | 08:17 |
| === jpatrick was planning to work on the docs after FF | ||
| jpatrick | Tonio_: yes | 08:18 |
| Tonio_ | okay, ;) | 08:18 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: done | 08:19 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: few modifications on the .desktop, not obvious, but nicer I think | 08:26 |
| Tonio_ | those .desktop with generic information result a dirty K menu.... | 08:27 |
| Tonio_ | I prefer en good english information than a french generic "a simple kde application" | 08:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm packaging knetswitch | 08:27 |
| Tonio_ | but unfortunately, I have nothing to test | 08:28 |
| Tonio_ | and I will not be there tomorrow | 08:28 |
| Tonio_ | I will simply upload on revu and hope all is nice | 08:28 |
| jpatrick | so what's french for task automation? | 08:29 |
| Tonio_ | it is written on the comment :) | 08:31 |
| Tonio_ | Automatisation de Tches | 08:31 |
| Tonio_ | not required, but would be nice :) | 08:32 |
| kmon | Ok. I'm finishing the inital draft of the page | 08:32 |
| kmon | :) | 08:32 |
| kmon | I've made diferent sections depending on the mayor features of kubuntu (system settings, guidance, desktop and adept.) | 08:33 |
| kmon | I've name it kubutuFeratureIdeas since it could be a place for discussing goals for dapper+1 +2 ... etc. I don't know if I'm mising something else... | 08:34 |
| kmon | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeatureIdeas | 08:34 |
| kmon | It's properly linked from main kubutu wiki page. | 08:35 |
| kmon | I hope you like it, I've added some initial ideas so the page doesn't look to dull. | 08:35 |
| jpatrick | did you mean Future? | 08:36 |
| kmon | Sorry if there are mistakes, but english is not my native english | 08:36 |
| kmon | languahe | 08:36 |
| kmon | errr | 08:36 |
| kmon | language | 08:36 |
| jpatrick | no pasa nada | 08:36 |
| kmon | yes | 08:36 |
| kmon | do'h | 08:37 |
| kmon | how do I change the name of the page? | 08:37 |
| jpatrick | yo se lo que es apprendre una lengua sin saber nada al principio | 08:37 |
| kmon | ok | 08:38 |
| kmon | fixed | 08:38 |
| kmon | (my problem is that I'm forgeting english... I used to have a pretty good knowledge of it) | 08:39 |
| jpatrick | how do I fixed this kdepot thing? | 08:39 |
| kmon | Ok. It's done, the page is now here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFutureIdeas | 08:40 |
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| jpatrick | kmon: we have Keep for a backup tool | 08:41 |
| jpatrick | kmon: and for cron there's kcron | 08:41 |
| kmon | but they aren't included in the main installation | 08:41 |
| jpatrick | I think Keep is | 08:42 |
| kmon | do you want to remove them? | 08:42 |
| kmon | me | 08:42 |
| kmon | do you want me to remove them? | 08:42 |
| jpatrick | since they're there, you could | 08:43 |
| Riddell | kcron is a bit dated | 08:44 |
| Riddell | Keep has been added very recently | 08:44 |
| Riddell | kmon: just add notes | 08:44 |
| kmon | I've added a comment to those entries saying keep and kcron already are in the distro. | 08:45 |
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| Riddell | toma: new rsibreak tonight? | 08:47 |
| toma | yes, the tarball is ready, and the debian folder as well, just waiting for allee now. | 08:47 |
| === jpatrick wonders if Hobbsee will make it to CC tonight | ||
| allee | toma: working on it ;) | 08:48 |
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| jpatrick | Tonio_: reuploaded | 08:58 |
| Tonio_ | jpa great ;) | 08:59 |
| luka74 | kmon: I have added some suggestions for laptop support | 09:00 |
| kmon | luka74: great! | 09:00 |
| kmon | now we need some developers to do it ;) | 09:01 |
| luka74 | I am wondering if so-called Win key could be better utilized by default | 09:01 |
| jpatrick | Alt-F1 | 09:03 |
| luka74 | I do not want to mimic other operating systems, but just to use this real estate ;-) | 09:03 |
| kmon | I use win+tab to launch kompose | 09:04 |
| luka74 | Global shortcuts where initial letters would indicate function (WIn+S for Kat search, Win+M for maximize...) | 09:05 |
| luka74 | kompose | 09:06 |
| kmon | time to leave... | 09:10 |
| kmon | good bye | 09:10 |
| luka74 | bye kmon | 09:10 |
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| Tonio_ | jpatrick: advocated :) | 09:12 |
| jpatrick | (finally) | 09:12 |
| jpatrick | ;-) | 09:12 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: but you didn't remove the generic "a simple kde application" informations for other language ;) | 09:12 |
| jpatrick | now to find someone else | 09:12 |
| Tonio_ | that's a personnal point of view, it is not a reason not to accept a package | 09:12 |
| Tonio_ | but if I were italian, I wouldn't like that entry ;) | 09:13 |
| jpatrick | better than seeing english... | 09:13 |
| jpatrick | I'll remove them | 09:14 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: that's not a requirement | 09:15 |
| Tonio_ | well I prefer a correct information in english that a generic in the good language that doesn't mean anything, no ? | 09:15 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee! | 09:15 |
| jpatrick | hey hey Hobbsee ! | 09:15 |
| Tonio_ | but as I say, that is absolutly not required, ust a personnal opinion :) | 09:15 |
| Riddell | they're still on the non-member bits of the agenda | 09:16 |
| Hobbsee | hey Riddell! | 09:16 |
| Hobbsee | oh good | 09:16 |
| jpatrick | all for Hobbsee and robotgeek | 09:16 |
| === Hobbsee feels absolutely terrilbe | ||
| Hobbsee | :) | 09:16 |
| Tm_T | ? | 09:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: uploading netswitch, gnetswitch and knetswitch on revu | 09:16 |
| Tm_T | what? | 09:16 |
| robotgeek | Hobbsee: phew, just in time! | 09:16 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ok, will take a look | 09:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: Unfortunately I can't test, cause my internet access is broken | 09:16 |
| Riddell | everyone go to #ubuntu-meeting to cheer on Hobbsee :) | 09:16 |
| Tonio_ | and I will not be there tomorrow | 09:17 |
| jpatrick | and robotgeek | 09:17 |
| Hobbsee | hehe :) | 09:17 |
| Tonio_ | I'm gonna be disconnected in 5 minutes........... | 09:17 |
| Riddell | and robotgeek :) | 09:17 |
| robotgeek | :) | 09:17 |
| jpatrick | can I upload kautoclick? | 09:17 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what happens in 5 mins? | 09:17 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: did you fix my comment? | 09:17 |
| jpatrick | well not the kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff one :( | 09:18 |
| Tonio_ | my neightborhood disconnects his wifi than I use temporary......... | 09:18 |
| === Hobbsee didnt try using wifi today - she wanted a decent connection! | ||
| Tonio_ | stupid French telecom.......... | 09:18 |
| === jpatrick only has wifi | ||
| Tonio_ | I too at home, but french telecom has cut my access by error, and it'll take about 1 days for them to repair........... | 09:19 |
| jpatrick | but I did the rest | 09:20 |
| Hobbsee | ...please dont tell me that what i'm seeing is true... | 09:21 |
| robotgeek | Hobbsee: heh | 09:22 |
| robotgeek | it's true | 09:22 |
| Hobbsee | it cant be... | 09:22 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: what? | 09:22 |
| Hobbsee | really | 09:22 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: one word: sorush20 | 09:22 |
| jpatrick | oh bollocking hell | 09:22 |
| jpatrick | (sorry) | 09:22 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 09:22 |
| jjesse | whats wrong about sorush20? | 09:22 |
| jpatrick | but that guy's annoying | 09:22 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: you've never seen how that guy behaves in meetings? | 09:23 |
| jpatrick | jjesse: kubuntu meeting he put us off | 09:23 |
| jjesse | i missed most of the last kubuntu meeting | 09:23 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: look at the logs, that's not the only time he's tried | 09:23 |
| jpatrick | we'll flood us to death | 09:23 |
| jpatrick | he* | 09:24 |
| === Hobbsee hopes that they'll get onto the membership stuff before she collapses here... | ||
| jpatrick | bye Tonio_ ... | 09:27 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: if it's sorush20, we'll kick him out | 09:27 |
| Hobbsee | hehe *waves to the remnant of Tonio_* | 09:27 |
| Hobbsee | no, this is just because of it being too early in the morning, and lack of food, nothing unusual, and i'll find some breakfast to eat durign the meeting tomorrow | 09:28 |
| Hobbsee | but that's probably a good idea hehe :P | 09:28 |
| jpatrick | we should ask if we can add "*@ubuntu/member/*" to the lists... | 09:32 |
| Hobbsee | in which lists? | 09:32 |
| Hobbsee | *is confused* | 09:32 |
| jpatrick | op lists | 09:32 |
| Hobbsee | ah, right | 09:32 |
| Hobbsee | that's probably a decent idea actually | 09:33 |
| jpatrick | probably too late to add to agenda now | 09:33 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py | 09:35 |
| jpatrick | does not applty because it's not there :/ | 09:36 |
| jpatrick | s/applty/apply | 09:37 |
| Riddell | yes it is | 09:37 |
| _Sime | how can I remove a package and ignore dependances? (i.e. I don't want the dependant packages to be removed too?) | 09:37 |
| jpatrick | not on 1924 | 09:38 |
| jpatrick | ah kautoclick one | 09:38 |
| Hobbsee | _Sime: apt-get remove package? | 09:39 |
| Hobbsee | apt-get doesnt remove the dependancies, IIRC | 09:39 |
| _Sime | Hobbsee: yeah, but that will also remove kde-desktop. | 09:39 |
| _Sime | oh | 09:39 |
| Tm_T | blah! https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-February/006634.html | 09:39 |
| Tm_T | why I don't find that package | 09:39 |
| Hobbsee | well, yeah... | 09:39 |
| _Sime | Hobbsee: you were right, it only uninstalled the kde-desktop meta-package. :-) | 09:40 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 09:40 |
| _Sime | cool, I just kicked out my old self-made test .deb. | 09:41 |
| jpatrick | Tm_T: nah, it's GTK :P | 09:41 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: still I wanted to test it | 09:42 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: sorry about that, fixed it | 09:42 |
| jpatrick | Tm_T: look for it at launchpad | 09:43 |
| Hobbsee | robotgeek: uh oh...the scary bit... | 09:43 |
| jpatrick | he was ready | 09:44 |
| jpatrick | science team? | 09:44 |
| jpatrick | what about us? | 09:44 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: ty | 09:45 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: eh, only sources this far or... hmm | 09:46 |
| jpatrick | hmm | 09:46 |
| robotgeek | jpatrick: soon with kubuntu too :) | 09:47 |
| jpatrick | robotgeek: ;) | 09:47 |
| jpatrick | Tm_T: dude: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/sysinfo | 09:47 |
| jpatrick | it says binary packages | 09:48 |
| jjesse | robotgeek: i think you got enought support :) | 09:48 |
| jpatrick | none there | 09:48 |
| jpatrick | lots | 09:48 |
| robotgeek | heh | 09:48 |
| Hobbsee | hehe lucky | 09:48 |
| === Hobbsee hopes she will be that lucky | ||
| Tm_T | jpatrick: dude: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/i386/sysinfo | 09:49 |
| jpatrick | I know that :P | 09:50 |
| === jpatrick is looking at buildlogs | ||
| === Hobbsee gets nervous | ||
| === robotgeek cheers Hobbsee | ||
| Hobbsee | :) | 09:56 |
| === jpatrick too | ||
| Tm_T | jpatrick: apt-get source -b helps ;) | 09:57 |
| jpatrick | :P | 09:58 |
| Tm_T | nothing can stop me! | 09:58 |
| robotgeek | phew! | 09:59 |
| Hobbsee | hehe! | 09:59 |
| _Sime | Riddell: I've been pestering you about this for a while, but will we see a "restart X server" option on the login screen? (kdm?) | 10:00 |
| Tm_T | I doubt | 10:00 |
| Tm_T | but yeah, I think that kind of stuff should be accessible with mouse | 10:01 |
| Riddell | _Sime: doesn't kdm have one by default? in which case it should just be a case of working out how to add it back | 10:01 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: I never seen it | 10:01 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: hehe, sysinfo... running ;) | 10:05 |
| === jpatrick makes a notes to ban sorush20 if he sets foot in #kubuntu | ||
| robotgeek | jpatrick: :) | 10:05 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: +25! | 10:05 |
| Tm_T | ? | 10:05 |
| jpatrick | or anywhere I see him | 10:06 |
| Hobbsee | please do! | 10:06 |
| _Sime | Riddell: I've updated my dapper here, and I don't have the option. It must be a config somewhere... | 10:06 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: what? | 10:06 |
| _Sime | Riddell: mandriva had it last time I looked. | 10:06 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: are you sitting in on the meeting? | 10:06 |
| Tm_T | #ubuntu-meeting? | 10:07 |
| Tm_T | ...apparently not | 10:07 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: really? i didnt know that one! | 10:07 |
| jpatrick | Riddell mentioned it once | 10:08 |
| robotgeek | Hobbsee: well, you have one now! | 10:08 |
| Hobbsee | oh wow! | 10:08 |
| jpatrick | go me! | 10:10 |
| robotgeek | go jpatrick ! | 10:10 |
| Hobbsee | do i answer sorush20 | 10:10 |
| Hobbsee | 's question? | 10:10 |
| jpatrick | yes | 10:10 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: confirm what I said (if I'm right) | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | you're more or less right | 10:11 |
| jpatrick | 1 more! | 10:12 |
| Tm_T | good night -> | 10:12 |
| jpatrick | night Tm_T | 10:12 |
| Hobbsee | night Tm_T | 10:12 |
| Hobbsee | for goodness sake, sorush20 shut the $%^&^&%$ up! | 10:13 |
| jpatrick | congrats Hobbsee ! | 10:13 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: :D | 10:13 |
| robotgeek | yay Hobbsee ! | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | yay!!!! | 10:14 |
| === jpatrick changes topic | ||
| === Hobbsee dances around the room and hugs everyone | ||
| jpatrick | too late | 10:14 |
| Riddell | :) | 10:14 |
| luka74 | congrats to Hobsee and robotgeek | 10:14 |
| luka74 | ;-) | 10:14 |
| robotgeek | thanks luka74 :) | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | thanks luka74 :D | 10:15 |
| === jpatrick isn't out of secondary school yet | ||
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: and? at least you dotn get asked all these nasty questions about what you're going to do next year/this year yet hehe | 10:16 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: you weren't at TechBoard! | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: techboard? | 10:17 |
| jpatrick | where you become MOTU or core-dev | 10:17 |
| jpatrick | wait I'll find you the log | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | ah, fair enough | 10:17 |
| === Hobbsee didnt know of anything else she was supposed to be at | ||
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: here it is: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2006-02-14.html (I start around 9:39) | 10:19 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: final verdict kautoclick? | 10:20 |
| jpatrick | :) | 10:20 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: didnt know it was on, i might have not been awake for it anyway | 10:22 |
| jpatrick | anyway Kubuntu Meeting tommorrow :) | 10:24 |
| Hobbsee | ah yes, another time to get up nice and early... | 10:24 |
| Hobbsee | i found some old wiki specs for tomorrow, not sure if we want to discuss them in the meeting or not - it may well be for tonio_'s reference | 10:24 |
| Hobbsee | s/tomorrow/kubuntu - it's still too darn early! | 10:26 |
| robotgeek | jpatrick: wow, looks tough! | 10:26 |
| Hobbsee | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperRoadmap - that one | 10:26 |
| jpatrick | robotgeek: they have a way of like stretching time | 10:27 |
| === Hobbsee needs food, back later | ||
| jpatrick | hmm | 10:27 |
| jpatrick | "Time permitting we will create initial packages for KDE 4 to let KDE developers have an easy way to get a KDE 4 environment running." | 10:28 |
| allee | Riddell: rsibreak 0.5 ready. Upload to a webspace or revu? | 10:28 |
| Riddell | allee: revu please | 10:28 |
| allee | 'k | 10:29 |
| Riddell | then we need to find out what the current UVF policy is | 10:29 |
| Riddell | toma: is there a good changelog? | 10:29 |
| Riddell | preferably highlighting important fixes :) | 10:29 |
| jpatrick | send mail to ubuntu-motu | 10:29 |
| allee | Riddell: changelog is svn commit log. NEWS is a summary of changes/bugfixes | 10:29 |
| === jpatrick isn't sure on FF exceptions | ||
| allee | Riddell: so NEWS is what you looking for | 10:29 |
| toma | Riddell: NEWS at http://www.omat.nl/drupal/?q=node/23 as well | 10:30 |
| jpatrick | you'll need a diffstat too | 10:30 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: kubuntu_01_kautoclick.diff still fails to apply | 10:31 |
| jpatrick | arg! | 10:31 |
| jpatrick | it should be kautoclick-0.1/src/kautoclick.desktop at the top | 10:31 |
| Riddell | it's not | 10:32 |
| jpatrick | it should | 10:32 |
| Riddell | use a pbuilder | 10:32 |
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| Flosoft | is there a Synaptic clone for the console? | 10:32 |
| Riddell | Flosoft: sounds like a #ubuntu/#kubuntu question | 10:32 |
| jpatrick | the console? | 10:32 |
| Flosoft | terminal | 10:33 |
| Hobbsee|away | aptitude/apt-get probably | 10:33 |
| jpatrick | that's not a synaptic clone | 10:33 |
| luka74 | Flosoft: aptitude | 10:33 |
| === seaLne had nearly forgoten about https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/32366 | ||
| Hobbsee|away | true | 10:33 |
| Flosoft | I used Yast before :S | 10:34 |
| luka74 | probably as close as it gets | 10:34 |
| === Hobbsee|away is actually going to go away and eat breakfast now | ||
| Flosoft | so I am looking for a nice console frontend to browse and see the status of debs | 10:34 |
| allee | rsibreak uploaded to revu but not on the webpage yet | 10:34 |
| seaLne | the patch discussed on the kde bug tho dosen't sound like we have | 10:34 |
| luka74 | aptitude hac curses interface for install | 10:34 |
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| luka74 | s/hac/has/ | 10:34 |
| _Sime | Riddell: /etc/kde3/kdmrc => AllowClose=true, turns that option on for the kdm screen. | 10:36 |
| seaLne | so you can close the login dialog? | 10:37 |
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| jpatrick | Riddell: works now :) | 10:43 |
| allee | rsibreak: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1930 | 10:53 |
| allee | toma: I've added a short note in revu. Suggestions for changes/additions? | 10:54 |
| toma | allee: no, its ok. | 10:56 |
| allee | 'k | 10:56 |
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| Hobbsee | ack, i see we got the font upgrades... | 11:05 |
| allee | luka74: curious: your '147' dpi monitor. What's the width/height in mm ? | 11:06 |
| luka74 | will check log... | 11:09 |
| allee | luka74: no, no. I'm interested what a ruler shows you | 11:09 |
| luka74 | Image Size: 331 x 207 mm | 11:10 |
| allee | ah, and if xorg driver find the same is interesing too :) | 11:10 |
| luka74 | That is it (also with ruler) | 11:10 |
| luka74 | (I just did not recalled by head) | 11:10 |
| Hobbsee | how does one set that setting in particular? in xorg.conf? | 11:10 |
| allee | luka74: so xorg driver and reality match in your case? | 11:10 |
| luka74 | Hobbsee: in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc | 11:11 |
| allee | DisplaySize x-in-mm y-in-mm in section monitor # See my wiki homepage ;) | 11:11 |
| allee | luka74: NO :) | 11:11 |
| luka74 | ;-) | 11:11 |
| Hobbsee | gotcha | 11:11 |
| luka74 | I was just teasing allee | 11:11 |
| luka74 | ;-) | 11:11 |
| luka74 | Hobbsee: allee is right | 11:11 |
| === allee admits luka74 successed | ||
| luka74 | yes, but only with fglrx | 11:12 |
| Hobbsee | hehe! | 11:12 |
| Hobbsee | the updates keep mucking up my fonts every once in a while, as tonio_ changes them, so i may as well do it properly | 11:12 |
| luka74 | "ati" does not detect mt display (cannot make it work), while "radeon" does partially | 11:12 |
| luka74 | Breezy did work with "ati" | 11:12 |
| === allee hugs Hobbsee | ||
| === Hobbsee hugs allee back :) | ||
| allee | luka74: promis to never cheat with DPI and I hug you too ;) | 11:13 |
| luka74 | promise! | 11:14 |
| toma | width? height? why not just set a dpi? | 11:14 |
| luka74 | Fact is - you still need DPI. | 11:14 |
| luka74 | I have changed it down to 100 to make it look good with default font sizes | 11:15 |
| luka74 | I am now scared that Tonio changes will just make my default fonts tiny (at pt will be reduced) | 11:15 |
| luka74 | disclaimer: only on very high resolution monitors | 11:16 |
| allee | toma: please, stop saying this! It hurts me! | 11:16 |
| luka74 | mine is 1920x1200 on 15.4" of 331x207 mm | 11:16 |
| === allee fires up pythion to do little dpi math | ||
| toma | allee: you are not going to walk in this trap twice in a row, are you? | 11:17 |
| allee | toma: simply reading hurts, I've no chance | 11:18 |
| allee | luka74: sorry, your dpi is really 147 dpi. I have a 144 dpi dell laptop and reduzing font size worked fine. | 11:19 |
| luka74 | allee: true, fglrx/X.org detection work great, only how this DPI is then used later might be an issue | 11:20 |
| luka74 | I need to free-up another partition, as I plan to install Ubuntu/GNOME for first time just to see the diff | 11:21 |
| allee | luka74: well, the default font size with correct dpi is a bit big. But almost all users used it here (incl. me) for a while and are now happy with it. Much more relaxing | 11:21 |
| luka74 | and hopefully learn something - but it looks like Tonio is getting there | 11:21 |
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| allee | luka74: but a bit smaller would be no problem for most people too ;) | 11:22 |
| luka74 | allee: I hate that some forms are just to small because of huge font - this is IMHO just ugly | 11:22 |
| allee | luka74: only one I know is the login window. Are there more (then layout if broken) | 11:23 |
| luka74 | there are plenty of cases that default was just ugly - this is why I always swith to 100 dpi for fonts immedeately | 11:25 |
| luka74 | but I am looking forward to test changes to defaults done by Tonio | 11:26 |
| allee | luka74: afaiu default will now be 96 dpi :( | 11:26 |
| luka74 | whatever, I just want it to look better ;-) | 11:27 |
| Riddell | allee: _Sime's script rounds it to something sensible | 11:27 |
| luka74 | Riddell: can you define "sensible"? | 11:27 |
| allee | luka74: when your bored, accept default dpi and use a smaller pt size for fonts 100/147 ~ 2/3 10 pt -> 7 or 6 pt | 11:27 |
| Riddell | rounded to 96 or 120 or larger | 11:28 |
| luka74 | allee: the problem with that approach is that this does not change all apps, so it is huge manual work | 11:28 |
| luka74 | Riddell: does this mean we will be able to manually set it from GUI too? | 11:29 |
| === allee claims that most people _don't know_ that font size they like/use because dpi scales is wrong | ||
| robotgeek | allee: i am totally lost on font-sizes | 11:30 |
| luka74 | allee: I could agree - this would explain why so much fuzz about it | 11:30 |
| Riddell | luka74: not yet | 11:30 |
| allee | luka74: I know about the problem. But let's concentrate what's broken and how to best fix it | 11:30 |
| luka74 | the fact is also that you have now people with low and high resulution displays | 11:31 |
| luka74 | and low resolution is just nothing bad (until you see high res display) | 11:31 |
| luka74 | ;-) | 11:31 |
| allee | luka74: Yes. your high res and a cheap low res monitor (75dpi) are a factor or two. See my Wiki homepage, how absurd a fix dpi can be | 11:32 |
| allee | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AchimBohnet | 11:33 |
| luka74 | allee: one of reasons for my complete switch from Windows to Kubuntu was that XP sucks in this respect | 11:33 |
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| allee | luka74: yeah! | 11:34 |
| jshadow | Hello all | 11:34 |
| luka74 | XP does fonts well, but such in screen element size (not to mention resized raster icons) | 11:34 |
| luka74 | s/such/suck/ | 11:34 |
| allee | luka74: fwiw: Using a fixed dpi is what windows used by default :) | 11:35 |
| allee | s\/used/uses/ | 11:35 |
| jshadow | I have a somewhat basic question. I'm working on a plugin for katapult and it compiles but it's not linking right. From what I understand it's an issue with moc. What tool should I be using to generate a makefile that takes care of the moc? | 11:36 |
| toma | jshadow: did you include the moc in the .cpp? | 11:38 |
| === Hobbsee looks for her ruler | ||
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| jshadow | no, but I'm getting "undefined reference to vtable" errors, and a google search suggested moc, this is my first qt app so I'm a little confused | 11:41 |
| jshadow | I guess what I'm asking is how should I have generated the makefile in the first place, and then maybe I can read up on that tool | 11:43 |
| toma | jshadow: include the moc at the bottom of your cpp: setuptiming.cpp:#include "setuptiming.moc | 11:43 |
| toma | rerun configure | 11:43 |
| jshadow | k, but the standard configure for katapult won't find my plugin, where should I be modifying this? | 11:44 |
| jshadow | right now I'm just using a hand written makefile | 11:45 |
| toma | jshadow: the moc is auto generated, because it is needed for the cpp and so you dont need to add anything to a makefile | 11:47 |
| === allee start writing a little script that at the end hopefully visualizes reality and the faked matrix^Wdpi world :) | ||
| toma | jshadow: but this is more something for #kde-devel i think | 11:47 |
| jshadow | ok, well thanks, this gets me in the right direction | 11:47 |
| Hobbsee | allee: where abouts do i set this displaysize? | 12:00 |
| allee | see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AchimBohnet for this FAQ ;) | 12:01 |
| Hobbsee | oops | 12:01 |
| Hobbsee | i did go look, really i did! | 12:01 |
| Hobbsee | string not found | 12:02 |
| allee | Hobbsee: it's must my frequently given answer. Problem is not may ask this question as they should do :) | 12:02 |
| Hobbsee | oh grr! i'm looking in the wrong file! | 12:02 |
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