[12:05] <sacul> vfat then?
[12:05] <acidic32> try ;)
[12:06] <trappist> sacul: try mount -t ntfs -o errors=recover /dev/sda1 /mnt/point if that doesn't work
[12:06] <acidic32> or that..
[12:07] <trappist> also sudo /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup stop to cut down on the useless keycode spam in dmesg
[12:07] <acidic32> [23:07]  <daniel> CPU Info                 AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3000+ 1005.037 Mhz   1997.93 Bogomips
[12:07] <sacul> FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors
[12:08] <sacul> VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem of dev sda1
[12:08] <Paradosso> hi there
[12:08] <acidic32> how comes its reporting as 1005.037 Mhz, not 1808.80 Mhz what it should be?
[12:08] <Paradosso> how do I remove a package in adept/synaptic/apt-get ignoring dependencies?
[12:08] <visik7> Paradosso: bad practice
[12:09] <robotgeek> acidic32: maybe it's not at full speed, try something cpu intensive
[12:09] <acidic32> before i upgraded the kernel
[12:09] <Paradosso> visik7, I have a newer version compiled of taglib and compiling amarok requires I uninstall the prevoius packaged one
[12:09] <acidic32> it used to report it
[12:09] <acidic32> now it dont
[12:10] <brodel> when I go into the file sharing part in system settings and click on administrator mode and enter in the password, I can see the options, but they are all greyed out. Can anyone tell me why?
[12:11] <Paradosso> no one knows then? visik7 ?
[12:11] <sacul> trappist: neither suggestion worked
[12:11] <trappist> sacul: dmesg?
[12:12] <sacul> trappist: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d9002
[12:13] <trappist> sacul: cat /proc/scsi/scsi
[12:15] <bob> Brodel: I have the same problem with file sharing.
[12:15] <sacul> trappist: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d9003
[12:15] <douglas_> If I paste my XGL start log would someone be able to help me out?
[12:16] <robotgeek> douglas_: maybe in #ubuntu-xgl
[12:17] <douglas_> Thanks
[12:19] <douglas_> No one responded, here's my log if anyone cares to have a quick look http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ti0k0D76.html
[12:19] <douglas_> It's the last line, and something to do with fonts
[12:19] <trappist> sacul: try gpart /dev/sda1 (might have to install gpart first)
[12:20] <sacul> trappist: I see gparted in adept but not gpart
[12:20] <trappist> you might have to turn on universe/multiverse repositories to get it
[12:21] <trappist> yeah it's in universe
[12:22] <cyberserver> damn.... quanta+ crashes and crashes :-(
[12:23] <cyberserver> anyone recommends a php editor?
[12:23] <sacul> trappist: fatal error.. permission denied when I run gpart
[12:23] <robotgeek> cyberserver: kate/vim?
[12:23] <trappist> sacul: pretty sure it wants to be run as sudo
[12:23] <cyberserver> I am using quanta+ as it gives me some html completion that I found helpfull
[12:24] <cyberserver> robotgeek: I like those too :-)
[12:24] <sacul> trappist: that did it
[12:24] <sacul> trappist: scanning now
[12:24] <cyberserver> robotgeek: but I was looking for something that helped more in RAD (Rapid App Development)
[12:25] <cyberserver> robotgeek: I like the highlighting and the completion that quanta+ has...
[12:25] <sacul> trappist: does this usually take a while?
[12:25] <robotgeek> cyberserver: vim does highlighting, i don't quite understand the completion part? do you mean closing tags and stufF?
[12:26] <sacul> trappist: it still saiys begin scan...
[12:26] <trappist> sacul: I've never used gpart, but I know what it's for and it looks like the right tool for this job.  I dunno what it's doing right now though.
[12:27] <cyberserver> robotgeek: not the closing tags..... its like the java editors... for instance, if you type "<a "  it will show up a combo box with the options "href, title, id, ..."
[12:28] <robotgeek> cyberserver: ah, no..vim doesn't do that automagically. look for plugins, i would say. cause it does text completion already
[12:28] <cyberserver> robotgeek: if you dont recall every option, it can be helpfull... I write code from time to time and this completion tip avois me reading coding manuals every time I need them...
[12:29] <cyberserver> robotgeek: thanks
[12:29] <robotgeek> cyberserver: :)
[12:34] <oddie> hello people
[12:34] <robotgeek> hey oddie
[12:35] <oddie> quick question on an install i cant remmeber but is kubuntu customizable?
[12:35] <brydenn> lmfao
[12:35] <oddie> or is it a set install i cant remember
[12:35] <robotgeek> oddie: meaning?
[12:35] <brydenn> customizable how oddie
[12:37] <oddie> robotgeek: as in i have tried to install debian before and that was very very ....long, can you have an advanced install where you can pick what packages and so on?
[12:37] <urbany> can someone tell me how i configure my wifi connection through console?
[12:38] <Hobbsee> !wifi
[12:38] <ubotu> I heard wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[12:38] <Hobbsee> urbany: about half way down that page
[12:38] <zblach> urbany, sudo iwconfig wlan0
[12:38] <brydenn> hehe Hobbsee you crack me up
[12:38] <urbany> ty guys : )
[12:38] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[12:38] <robotgeek> oddie: there's an expert install there, i think you can pick what you want
[12:38] <brydenn> oh shit... i didnt even know you were a chick
[12:39] <brydenn> haha cool
[12:39] <oddie> robotgeek: cool
[12:39] <_evil_h_> lol
[12:39] <Hobbsee> lol!
[12:40] <brydenn> you soooooooooo smaaaaaart
[12:40] <brydenn> so Hobbsee i finally figured out how to get ZSNES running
[12:40] <Hobbsee> yay
[12:40] <xwolf-> yo
[12:40] <brydenn> needed another library dev package
[12:40] <trappist> man.  never out yourself as a chick on a geek channel.
[12:40] <Hobbsee> lol great
[12:40] <brydenn> its cool... now i can play Zelda 3 again haha
[12:41] <xwolf-> i can't get my audio cds playing... no sound comes out
[12:41] <brydenn> naw Hobbsee is cool
[12:41] <brydenn> just cuz she's a girl doesnt mean people are gonna harrass her
[12:41] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: go away, you don't exist, lol
[12:41] <Hobbsee> true, much
[12:41] <Hobbsee> LOL @ robotgeek
[12:41] <robotgeek> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/print/17/27
[12:41] <xwolf-> and there's no problem with my audio devices since the start and end sounds are 'hear-able'
[12:41] <trappist> I'm not worried about harrassment.  I'm worried about all the geeks suddenly becoming stupid in her presence.
[12:41] <Hobbsee> trappist: that's where i use this command:
[12:41] <brydenn> yah well that is a possibility trappist
[12:42] <brydenn> i want that command
[12:42] <brydenn> lmfao
[12:42] <Hobbsee> they stop fairly quickly when they see that lol...
[12:42] <trappist> Hobbsee: excellent.  could you use that thing to +t the channel?  we had an idiot a while ago do /topic hello on join and it took me a while to find the original.
[12:42] <Hobbsee> probably makes more sense to kick the idiot lol
[12:43] <Hobbsee> the topic keeps getting changed anyway as it updates
[12:43] <oddie> you must be a real chick cause even a guy wouldn't say that in a channel like this
[12:43] <trappist> he left shortly thereafter, the damage already done.  and it happened on join as though it was done by a script.  but... not my channel.
[12:44] <Hobbsee> oddie: indeed, i am - do i need to get out pics to prove it?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> ugh, great
[12:44] <brydenn> hey do any of you know if WINE can emulate Exact Audio Copy???
[12:44] <Hobbsee> trappist: that's where you call !kops and get one of us to deal with the rotter...
[12:44] <brydenn> i love that program :)
[12:44] <trappist> Hobbsee: ah, !kops.  I'll remember that one.
[12:44] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:45] <brydenn> !kb trappist is a good one too ;)
[12:45] <trappist> ubotu doesn't behave here like he does in #ubuntu, so I don't quite have him figured out.
[12:45] <ubotu> brydenn: okay
[12:45] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, trappist
[12:45] <trappist> sigh.
[12:46] <bimberi> lol, we now have ...
[12:46] <bimberi> !kb trappist
[12:46] <ubotu> [kb trappist]  a good one too ;)
[12:46] <bimberi> !forget kb trappist
[12:46] <ubotu> bimberi: i forgot kb trappist
[12:47] <sacul> does anyone know how long gpart usually needs to run?  I've had it running for about 10 minutes now with no output other than "Begin scan..."  should I kill it?
[12:47] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: do you know why yzis isn't in kubuntu
[12:47] <Hobbsee> yzis?  what is it?
[12:47] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: an editor
[12:47] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:47] <Hobbsee> is it on revu?  or already in debian?
[12:48] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: i dunno
[12:48] <Hobbsee> ok
[12:49] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: like kvim, i think.
[12:49] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:51] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: cause i don't want to install gvim, lol
[12:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:53] <badek> !w32codecs
[12:53] <ubotu> I heard w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[12:54] <brydenn> SWEET... you can WINE Exact Audio Copy
[12:55] <bimberi> Hobbsee: gstreamer based player perhaps?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> amarok - it's xine
[12:56] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: you don't need w32codecs for mp3, you need the mad plugin,
[12:58] <douglas> If I had an xserver running and wanted to just start kde on that server, how would I go about that?
[01:00] <Ardarandir> [00:56:29]  <robotgeek> Hobbsee: you don't need w32codecs for mp3, you need the mad plugin, <-- not if ure using xine
[01:00] <Ardarandir> guess
[01:00] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[01:01] <douglas> How do I start kde on an already running x server?
[01:01] <Ardarandir> douglas, you would type "startx"
[01:01] <Ardarandir> oops
[01:01] <Ardarandir> douglas, you type kdm
[01:01] <Ardarandir> ;-)
[01:01] <robotgeek> Ardarandir: nope, cause i don't use the w32codecs, and i cannot install it
[01:01] <douglas> I'm modifying a script that starts xgl then compiz, but then I need to tell kde to start on top of that?
[01:02] <douglas> Ardarandir: I'm modifying a script that starts xgl then compiz, but then I need to tell kde to start on top of that?
[01:02] <Ardarandir> im pretty sure, w32codecs are useful only for watching videos ;)
[01:02] <Ardarandir> dunno, douglas
[01:02] <douglas> Ardarandir: Thanks
[01:03] <douglas> kwin, kde, kdesktop ?
[01:03] <douglas> exit
[01:04] <moret> hi all!!
[01:04] <moret> I need help
[01:05] <Hobbsee> !+ask
[01:05] <ubotu> hmm... ask is just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model, outputs of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl is important. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. Keeping the question in one line makes it easier to read. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[01:05] <moret> I want Kplayer, is there for kubuntu?
[01:05] <Hobbsee> !kplayer
[01:05] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:05] <robotgeek> moret: you mean kmplayer?
[01:05] <Hobbsee> !info kmplayer
[01:05] <moret> robotgeek: no, kplayer
[01:05] <robotgeek> ubotu hasn't heard of kplayer either
[01:05] <ubotu> robotgeek: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:06] <Ardarandir> moret, there are both
[01:06] <moret> root@pc1:/home/moret# apt-cache search kplayer
[01:06] <moret> root@pc1:/home/moret#
[01:06] <moret> I get any result
[01:06] <Ardarandir> the archive.kubuntu.de repo has got the kplayer at least... and kmplayer oughta be avail too
[01:06] <moret> what repo?
[01:06] <Ardarandir> the german kubuntu - repo
[01:07] <Ardarandir> where ure from?
[01:07] <moret> spain
[01:07] <robotgeek> Ardarandir: are you on breezy/dapper
[01:07] <Ardarandir> huh dunno.. maybe its german?
[01:07] <moret> dapper?
[01:07] <moret> dapper
[01:07] <Ardarandir> breezy with updates
[01:07] <Ardarandir> eg kde 3.5.1
[01:08] <robotgeek> Ardarandir: hmm, okay.that's what i had on my desktop machine
[01:08] <Ardarandir> jmwagner@Compi:/media/cdrom0$ apt-cache search kmplayer
[01:08] <Ardarandir> kmplayer - KMPlayer metapackage
[01:08] <Ardarandir> re doug
[01:08] <moret> kmplayer no, kplayer :P
[01:09] <moret> The are not the same
[01:09] <douglas> I'm back in normal xorg
[01:09] <Ardarandir> http://www.czessi.net/breezy.php?i18n=de
[01:10] <Ardarandir> yeah ok
[01:10] <Ardarandir> i dunno where the kplayer is
[01:10] <douglas> But Xgl was cool ass
[01:10] <Ardarandir> have a look at kde-apps.org
[01:10] <Ardarandir> yeah?
[01:10] <moret> please... any sources.list with codecs also?
[01:10] <douglas> yea
[01:10] <douglas> But I can't figure out how to get the effects without compiz
[01:10] <bimberi> !easysource
[01:10] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:11] <Ardarandir> # deb ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/packages/ubuntu/ breezy main <-- for example
[01:12] <Ardarandir> is koffice really that good? is it faster than oo.o?
[01:12] <ryanakca> how do you stop KDE to go to plain shell, without X running? like plain terminal
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Ardarandir: you should not use unofficial repos - you will break your box
[01:13] <Ardarandir> forgot
[01:14] <Ardarandir> i dont use it, Hobbsee
[01:14] <Ardarandir> look at the #
[01:14] <Ardarandir> ;-)
[01:14] <Hobbsee> true
[01:15] <Ardarandir> plz forgive me - but what the hell do we need those deb-src ?
[01:15] <angasule> arda-wanderer?
[01:15] <robotgeek> Ardarandir: to get the source, using apt-get source
[01:16] <mnoir> ryanakca: do you need to stop it or do you just want a non-X console?
[01:16] <ryanakca> non x console
[01:16] <ryanakca> while I run "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[01:16] <mnoir> but it will be ok for x to continue running?
[01:17] <ryanakca> supposedly, I should go to init 1
[01:17] <Ardarandir> [01:15:54]  <angasule> arda-wanderer? <-- right
[01:17] <stupendo44> mommy!!! -er-- I mean... Is there a homosapien in this conversation area that would be willing and able to assist me in my endeavor to resolve the problem that I am currently experiencing in Synaptic. *ahem* Problem: I am trying to remove Firestarter completely, including config files. Synaptic outputs this message:        E: firestarter: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status
[01:17] <Ardarandir> robotgeek, thx
[01:17] <ryanakca> mnoir: well, KDE is going to be upgraded and all, so I'm guessing... no
[01:18] <robotgeek> stupendo44: synaptic, in #kubuntu. sin!
[01:18] <mnoir> you do not need to stop it to upgradt - apt is muuuch better than that
[01:18] <mnoir> btw 'telinit 1 would put you to lev 1
[01:18] <stupendo44> synaptic works better than kynaptic. but for the sake of this room, I have repented...
[01:18] <mnoir> sorry - 'telinit 1'
[01:19] <robotgeek> stupendo44: try sudo aptitude purge firestarter
[01:19] <ryanakca> soo... just type that into konsole? or "sudo telinit 1" in konsole or ???
[01:19] <mnoir> that will do it but you need not to upgrade or install
[01:20] <mnoir> please man telinit and understand it
[01:20] <mnoir> b4 doing it
[01:20] <mnoir> yes - in a konsole win
[01:20] <mnoir> sorry for the returns :)
[01:20] <ryanakca> "you need not to upgrade or install"???
[01:20] <stupendo44> robotgeek: Ack!  Something bad happened while installing packages.  Trying to recover:
[01:20] <mnoir> you do not need to stop kde to upgrade it
[01:21] <robotgeek> stupendo44: good, paste to pastebin
[01:21] <stupendo44> robotgeek: ack! ack! whew... there we go
[01:21] <ryanakca> aahhh... ok
[01:21] <mnoir> just restart after installing
[01:21] <ryanakca> kk
[01:21] <mnoir> :)
[01:21] <stupendo44> robotgeek: nothing relavent was spit out
[01:21] <ryanakca> will having kde running pose a risk during the upgrade?
[01:21] <mnoir> none that I know of....
[01:22] <stupendo44> robotgeek: same error. dpkg returned error code 1
[01:22] <mnoir> the apt wrappers are all X pgms :)
[01:22] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[01:22] <mnoir> apt-get is not the better way to do it
[01:22] <ryanakca> cd is the better way, eh?
[01:22] <mnoir> synaptic, adept, etc are very good wrappers
[01:22] <hupp3l> is there an opera in a repositry?
[01:22] <robotgeek> stupendo44: okay, maybe we can use some sneaky parameters/edit the post-conf script
[01:22] <ryanakca> kk
[01:23] <mnoir> unless you like cmmd line pain
[01:23] <stupendo44> robotgeek: sounds good... what can we do?
[01:23] <mnoir> and the beautiful white on black starkness of the console :)
[01:23] <robotgeek> stupendo44: moment
[01:24] <mnoir> i do make it a practice to reboot after major updates tho - just in case i broke sumpin
[01:24] <ryanakca> lol.. I started on linux on a console... I've only been using Xorg/XFree for the past 5-6 months
[01:24] <robotgeek> stupendo44: dpkg -l | grep firestarter
[01:25] <stupendo44> robotgeek: well, pastebin looks a little slashdotted today...
[01:25] <robotgeek> stupendo44, don't paste in here. Please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[01:25] <hupp3l> what would you guys say is a good game for linux
[01:25] <ryanakca> I just couldnt seem to get X server to run... then I bought a new computer with 256mb ram instead of one with 64mb ram... that fixed it :)
[01:25] <hupp3l> im talking about something small
[01:25] <hupp3l> nothing fancy
[01:26] <stupendo44> robotgeek: why not pastebin?
[01:26] <mnoir> yeah - X is more resource hungry
[01:26] <mnoir> and KDE is the worst
[01:26] <ryanakca> but then... I've only been using linux for a year...
[01:26] <robotgeek> stupendo44: anywheere is fine
[01:26] <ryanakca> it is?
[01:26] <hupp3l> i like KDE
[01:26] <robotgeek> mnoir: kde 3.5.1 is beautiful and fast
[01:26] <ryanakca> same
[01:26] <mnoir> well - you learn more at the cmmdline
[01:26] <stupendo44> robotgeek: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9010 - That's the result of running apt
[01:26] <mnoir> and BIIIIIG
[01:27] <ryanakca> hmmm.. I still like irssi more than the X irc clients
[01:27] <kjdasdfu> asdf
[01:27] <stupendo44> robotgeek: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9011 - There'
[01:27] <kjdasdfu> anybody know if kubuntu has qtparted?
[01:27] <stupendo44> robotgeek: there's the result of dpkg
[01:27] <stupendo44> kjdasdfu: I believe it is in the repos
[01:28] <robotgeek> stupendo44: cool
[01:28] <hupp3l> what is qtparted?
[01:28] <stupendo44> hupp3l: partition management gui
[01:28] <ryanakca> hmmm... synaptic says that it'll remove kdm when it upgrades...
[01:28] <stupendo44> what? he left
[01:29] <stupendo44> anyways, qtparted is in the universe repo
[01:29] <hupp3l> is it better or worse than partition magic?
[01:29] <mnoir> the package kdm - name just three letters long?
[01:29] <ryanakca> its also taking off kubuntu-desktop and all of my other kde apps
[01:29] <ryanakca> yes
[01:29] <stupendo44> hupp3l: doesn't do as much as partition magic, but it does do a whole lot
[01:29] <mnoir> yer upgrading to what?
[01:30] <stupendo44> hupp3l: especially limited in the area of NTFS
[01:30] <hupp3l> o ok cool cool I must say partition magic is really awsome
[01:30] <robotgeek> stupendo44: i am trying to find out where the package files are
[01:30] <stupendo44> robotgeek: would a reinstall then uninstall be a possible fix?
[01:31] <robotgeek> stupendo44: maybe, i am not sure
[01:31] <mnoir> kubuntu-desktop is a meta pkg so it would go if any of it's babies are removed - that one is generally not a real issue
[01:31] <ryanakca> here... just a sec... I'll post a link to my screenshot
[01:32] <mnoir> w8ing.....
[01:32] <ryanakca> http://24.226.20.171/~ryan/kdmremoved.png
[01:32] <ryanakca> see it?
[01:33] <mnoir> yes but i cannot tell what you marked to install to cause this
[01:33] <stupendo44> robotgeek: tried it, same error
[01:33] <ryanakca> I just hit upgrade button
[01:33] <stupendo44> robotgeek: is there any log that would give us more information
[01:33] <ryanakca> "Mark all upgrades"
[01:33] <ryanakca> oh, wait
[01:34] <mnoir> hmmm?
[01:34] <ryanakca> would it be because I installed kde3.5.1 and its taking off the old version of kde?
[01:34] <robotgeek> stupendo44: hmm
[01:34] <ryanakca> or would it have been taken off?
[01:34] <mnoir> not sure - you installed 3.5.1 from what repository?
[01:35] <ryanakca> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351/ breezy main
[01:35] <mnoir> that should be fine...
[01:36] <ryanakca> what should be?
[01:36] <mnoir> i see that is wants to upg/install 1300 apps - where did you come from - hoary?
[01:36] <ryanakca> breezy
[01:36] <mnoir> ???
[01:37] <mnoir> the orig install was breezy how long ago?
[01:37] <robotgeek> stupendo44: see if you can find something in /var/cache/archives
[01:38] <mnoir> sumpin doesn't feel right
[01:38] <ryanakca> I installed breezy sometime on the christmas holidays.. about Jan 1st to Jan 7th
[01:38] <stupendo44> robotgeek: no such dir
[01:38] <ryanakca> sometime then
[01:38] <stupendo44> robotgeek: nm, /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:38] <ryanakca> oh, I see see... I can choose to upgrade the files marked to remove
[01:38] <robotgeek> stupendo44: heh
[01:38] <stupendo44> robotgeek: I have a firestarter deb in there
[01:38] <stupendo44> robotgeek: is that good or bad
[01:39] <robotgeek> stupendo44: bingo, let's edit that :)
[01:39] <stupendo44> robotgeek: we can edit the deb?
[01:39] <ryanakca> hmmm... want to see my sources.list?
[01:39] <robotgeek> stupendo44: or can we try dpkg --force-all remove firestarter
[01:39] <mnoir> is it very different from standard??
[01:40] <ryanakca> no...
[01:40] <ryanakca> I copied it from here... umm...
[01:40] <mnoir> then no - i do not think it will help
[01:40] <Cainus> hey...anyone know how to change the smb workgroup?
[01:41] <Cainus> it defaults to mshome, but I need something else
[01:41] <ryanakca> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666
[01:41] <mnoir> that is a dapper repo list
[01:42] <mnoir> you want bleeding edge - you got it
[01:42] <ryanakca> yes... I'm upgrading from breezy to dapper
[01:42] <ryanakca> and I dont care about bugs
[01:42] <ryanakca> so its fine?
[01:42] <ryanakca> I'll still have kde?
[01:42] <mnoir> oic - i am not sure but i think so
[01:42] <mnoir> i dunno where to ask
[01:42] <ryanakca> well... I'll cross my fingers and hope for the best
[01:43] <mnoir> hey all - is there a dapper channel?
[01:43] <ryanakca> I really dont care if my system messes up either... I've backed all my files up
[01:43] <mnoir> you like pain :)
[01:43] <ryanakca> yes.. well... not all my files... my home folder
[01:43] <mnoir> go for it - I come from Bodie Miller's state but I do not ski like him :)
[01:44] <ryanakca> lol... GS on tv this morning?
[01:44] <ryanakca> Giant Slalom at torino?
[01:44] <rich0rd> <- austria muhahaha
[01:44] <mnoir> no - iffit don't have a kb i don't watch it....
[01:44] <ryanakca> OH CANADA!
[01:44] <ryanakca> well... I'll hold my breath, cross my fingers and hope for the best
[01:44] <stupendo44> robotgeek: dpkg --force-all remove firestarter isn't working
[01:44] <rich0rd> go austria go
[01:45] <mnoir> if I hear a splosion i will duck
[01:45] <ryanakca> and I'm fine as long as the hard-drive that my backup is on doesnt break
[01:45] <ryanakca> LOL
[01:45] <stupendo44> robotgeek: it says "need an action option"
[01:45] <stupendo44> I've tried a bunch of stuff and it won't go
[01:45] <ryanakca> I'll start upgrading and then I'll start running
[01:45] <mnoir> see you on the other side
[01:45] <mnoir> you really need a dual boot
[01:46] <mnoir> so you can come back soon
[01:46] <robotgeek> stupendo44: hmm, i'm all outta ideas,sorry mate
[01:46] <stupendo44> robotgeek: what were you thinking of changing in the firestarter deb file
[01:46] <ryanakca> mnoir: lol
[01:47] <robotgeek> stupendo44: i dunno if it's the deb, but somewhere in there, (maybe dpkg archives), there should be a postconf script, in which you can correct whatever is messing up
[01:47] <stupendo44> robotgeek: ok, I'll mess around with it. Thanks for the help
[01:48] <robotgeek> stupendo44: good luck
[01:48] <mnoir> stupendo44: dpkg --force-all remove firestarter doesnt look correct to me
[01:49] <mnoir> don't you mean dpkg  -r --force-all firestarter?
[01:49] <stupendo44> mnoir: it didn't work. It said "need an action option". I'm not sure what else it needed
[01:49] <mnoir> the -r is an action option - read the man page
[01:49] <stupendo44> mnoir: that's going. let's see if it did anything
[01:49] <stupendo44> mnoir: I thought I could put the action after the options
[01:50] <robotgeek> mnoir: ty
[01:50] <stupendo44> mnoir: no errors with that
[01:50] <mnoir> the bare word remove aint an action it is a package that prolly doesnt exist
[01:50] <mnoir> tht
[01:50] <mnoir> hth i mean
[01:50] <stupendo44> mnoir: duh, I should have thought of that
[01:51] <mnoir> even though he cut his teeth on hand built from source b4 pkg managers
[01:51] <stupendo44> mnoir: it didn't get any errors running dpkg, but firestarter is still in synaptic and still gets the same error on removal
[01:52] <mnoir> um - i may not have answers but we can try...
[01:52] <mnoir> synaptic error is?
[01:52] <stupendo44> mnoir: listed above. let me get it
[01:52] <stupendo44> E: firestarter: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status
[01:53] <stupendo44> there may be a 1 on the end there
[01:53] <mnoir> oic - do you open a terminal for the synaptic actions or let it fly blind?
[01:53] <stupendo44> terminal
[01:53] <mnoir> the actual script and line num should be there
[01:54] <stupendo44> nothing useful shows up, same error in the terminal with no useful information
[01:54] <mnoir> there might be a bug in the cleanup script for remove for firestarter
[01:54] <stupendo44> mnoir: I'll do it again and make sure
[01:54] <mnoir> can you post a screenshot showing the error?
[01:54] <stupendo44>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[01:54] <stupendo44> sure
[01:55] <mnoir> i might have seen this kind of thing b4
[01:55] <mnoir> google is your friend but you need a little more specific error i think
[01:55] <zerephath> Anyone know where I might find a good verb list for Spanish to use in kverberos?
[01:55] <wk> hi@all
[01:56] <zerephath> hey wk:
[01:56] <wk2001> i have a problem with a simple shell script - can someone help me?
[01:56] <robotgeek> wk2001: sure
[01:56] <wk2001> do u speak german?
[01:56] <robotgeek> nope
[01:57] <zerephath> Ich verstehe sehr wennig Deutsch
[01:57] <wk2001> k english is enough too ;)
[01:57] <stupendo44> mnoir: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i9014
[01:57] <mnoir> sec
[01:57] <wk2001> i have a directory with about 200 files named IMxxx.a
[01:57] <wk2001> xxx is 1 .. 1999
[01:57] <robotgeek> wk2001: btw, here is a nice guide for future reference http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[01:57] <wk2001> 199
[01:58] <mnoir> oh - that is not very informative
[01:58] <wk2001> yes i've read some tutorials and i have coded yet shell scripts...
[01:58] <stupendo44> mnoir: yeah, that's what I thought
[01:58] <robotgeek> wk2001: sure, what do you need to do?
[01:58] <wk2001> ok and i want to execute a command for every of these files
[01:59] <mnoir> i dunno - try googling for the string starting with the E: and ending with the 1
[01:59] <mnoir> i often can get a foothold by doing that
[01:59] <mnoir> failing that, post to the proper ubuntu forum after searching there
[01:59] <robotgeek> wk2001: seems doable
[02:00] <mnoir> meanwhile, is the inability to cleanly remove hanging you up?
[02:00] <robotgeek> wk2001: lemme pastebin
[02:00] <wk2001> what?
[02:01] <mnoir> wk2001 wait for a link to look at
[02:01] <wk2001> there is a for - loop for such things
[02:01] <robotgeek> wk2001: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9015
[02:01] <wk2001> k the same thing as i have but wait i'll try
[02:01] <Hobbsee> what would i need to install to fix this?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> root@sarah:~# wifi-radar.sh
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Traceback (most recent call last):
[02:01] <Hobbsee>   File "/usr/sbin/wifi-radar", line 1795, in ?
[02:01] <Hobbsee>     import gtk, gobject
[02:01] <Hobbsee> ImportError: No module named gtk
[02:02] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: gtk?
[02:02] <stupendo44> mnoir: not really hanging me up. just an annoying itch
[02:02] <mnoir> :(
[02:02] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: yeah, not sure which package i need to install to fix that
[02:02] <stupendo44> mnoir: thanks for your help
[02:02] <mnoir> sounds like a good one for the forums
[02:02] <Hobbsee> ah ha....
[02:02] <mnoir> np - sorry i couldnt fix it
[02:02] <Hobbsee> it's already in repos..
[02:02] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: sudo apt-get install python-gtk2
[02:03] <robotgeek> yeah, wifi radar is in the repos
[02:03] <Hobbsee> ah, thanks :)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> hehe - i should check that first...
[02:04] <wk2001> robotgeek: oh ok i didn't try it with the ls on the top of the loop - but now i get after every output line "command not found"
[02:04] <robotgeek> wk2001: replace 'command' with whatever you need to do with the file
[02:05] <wk2001> lol i'm not so stupid ;)
[02:05] <wk2001> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9016
[02:06] <wk2001> the output is like that but 200 times:
[02:06] <wk2001> IM99.a
[02:06] <wk2001> : command not found:
[02:07] <stupendo44> mnoir: ok, I found the error
[02:07] <stupendo44> grep -v "sh /etc/init.d/firestarter start" /etc/dhclient-exit-hooks > $TMP
[02:07] <stupendo44> that's the line at fault
[02:07] <Hobbsee> back in a bit...
[02:07] <stupendo44> returns the error         bash: $TMP: ambiguous redirect
[02:07] <robotgeek> wk2001: hmm, weird
[02:07] <mnoir> at that point $TMP must not be set...
[02:08] <wk2001> robotgeek: the same problem when i try the "ls -l" command instead of echo
[02:08] <stupendo44> mnoir: yeah
[02:08] <stupendo44> why would $TMP not be set
[02:08] <robotgeek> wk2001: can you just 'ls IM*' and paste the output to pastebin
[02:08] <stupendo44> earlier we have TMP=`mktemp -q`
[02:08] <mnoir> i do not know that cmd - sec
[02:09] <LeeJunFan> wk2001: better to use find instead of ls for that the * expansion happens in bash not in ls.
[02:09] <mnoir> not a standard cmd - try exporting TMP=/tmp at the top of the script
[02:09] <robotgeek> LeeJunFan: hmm, i did not know that.
[02:10] <LeeJunFan> find . -name "IM*" -exec echo {} \;
[02:10] <mnoir> it cant hurt you any more than the failure.....
[02:10] <wk2001> LeeJunFan: where is it better? on the top in the "for"-line
[02:10] <wk2001> ?
[02:10] <mnoir> w8
[02:10] <LeeJunFan> wk2001: what is it you want to do to those files that match?
[02:10] <stupendo44> mnoir: 'export TMP=/tmp'  ?
[02:10] <wk2001> robotgeek: i've pasted the output
[02:10] <mnoir> i think it wants a file
[02:10] <robotgeek> wk2001: link please :)
[02:11] <mnoir> so 'export TMP=/tmp/fstmp'
[02:11] <wk2001> i want to execute a command not ls
[02:11] <wk2001> ls i do only for testing
[02:11] <mnoir> the cmd that failed is creating this file
[02:11] <wk2001> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9017
[02:11] <wk2001> sorry :)
[02:11] <mnoir> prolly to use later in the script
[02:11] <LeeJunFan> wk2001: for example if you wanted to remove them == find . -name "IM*"
[02:11] <LeeJunFan> shit
[02:12] <LeeJunFan> find . -name "IM*" -exec rm {} \;
[02:12] <mnoir> you realize that it does not make sense that we need to alter an uninstall script...
[02:13] <LeeJunFan> wk2001: yeah, beware that find is recursive unless you specify -maxdepth 1, so it will search all dirs in the current one as well.
[02:13] <wk2001> LeeJunFan: the files are medical dicom pictures and i have to resize them with an extra programm
[02:13] <LeeJunFan> wk2001: convert?
[02:14] <robotgeek> wk2001: okay, i'll give you a nice script for that
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> just use the above command and put the command you need to run on them in place of rm.
[02:14] <robotgeek> wk2001: for i in *.png ; do convert "$i" "`basename "$i" .png`.eps"; done;
[02:15] <robotgeek> wk2001: or something similiar :)
[02:15] <mnoir> stupendo44: so if you want to hack - you are on the right track but if you want reliability ya might want to pay the forums a visit...
[02:15] <stupendo44> mnoir: right. I want to hack. This is what I love. and maybe I can help this program in the end
[02:15] <stupendo44> although the syntax of the mktemp command looks correct
[02:16] <ryanakca> mnoir: so far so good
[02:16] <mnoir> good!
[02:16] <mnoir> yer back
[02:16] <mnoir> :)
[02:18] <mnoir> try removing the -q to see what the error actually is
[02:20] <Brydenn> damn... Azureus 2.4 rocks
[02:20] <Brydenn> why is it that it seems to load and run faster from a shell script?
[02:21] <Brydenn> oh god Snake__  is back ;)
[02:21] <wk2001> robotgeek_away: and LeeJunFan: thank you!
[02:25] <wk2001> oh another question - how can i rename quickly many files from "IMxxx.a" to "IMxxx"?
[02:25] <wk2001> something with regular expressions..
[02:26] <chx> KubuntuDapperFlight4 not yet?
[02:26] <stupendo44> mnoir: I did, but there's no error. I echoed $tmp and it's being created fine
[02:27] <stupendo44> mnoir: I got it to finish, but I'm not sure that everything is accurate. I think I'll contact the author and see if this is a bug
[02:27] <mnoir> good idea
[02:27] <mnoir> ask him for me too  :)
[02:27] <stupendo44> I took the -v switch out of the grep line. This makes it completely oposite
[02:27] <stupendo44> *opposite
[02:27] <mnoir> yep
[02:28] <stupendo44> as you know, the v switch makes it search for lines not containing the specified string. It then passes this to TMP, and the next line checks for the contents. What does 'if [ $? -ne 2 ] ; then' mean?
[02:28] <mnoir> $? is the rtn code from the prev line
[02:29] <stupendo44> apparently, since there's nothing to copy to $TMP, it crashes on the grep line
[02:29] <stupendo44> it doesn't get to the if statement
[02:29] <mnoir> you have made multiple attempts to remove fs right?
[02:29] <stupendo44> yes
[02:30] <stupendo44> mnoir: it's possible that one of the first times, it started to clear that file and then crashed at a later spot
[02:30] <mnoir> i was taking a long time typing that
[02:30] <mnoir> same thing
[02:30] <stupendo44> then the file would only have the one line the rest of the time. But the uninstall script shouldn't crash because of that
[02:30] <stupendo44> it should check for that
[02:30] <mnoir> crazy idea - reinstall then try removing??
[02:30] <stupendo44> so I should probably contact the author
[02:30] <stupendo44> might as well
[02:30] <mnoir> contact author anyway
[02:31] <stupendo44> I like being crazy
[02:31] <mnoir> the remove should remove a damaged pks as well
[02:31] <stupendo44> I'll investigate things along the way, too
[02:31] <mnoir> bullet-proofitty demands it
[02:31] <mnoir> uuh - bullet proofness
[02:33] <stupendo44> mnoir: obviously it changed my script back
[02:33] <stupendo44> here goes removal
[02:33] <mnoir> tattattattattattatta (drum roll)
[02:34] <stupendo44> same error same problem. the file /etc/dhclient-exit-hooks is what it's looking at, and the contents didn't change any time
[02:34] <mnoir> contact author or maintainer
[02:34] <mnoir> try the google thing
[02:34] <mnoir> it may be reported already
[02:34] <stupendo44> mnoir: if it wasn't crashing, it would take care of itself
[02:34] <stupendo44> if [ $? -ne 2 ] ; then
[02:34] <stupendo44> 	      mv $TMP /etc/dhclient-exit-hooks
[02:34] <stupendo44> 	    else
[02:34] <stupendo44> 	      rm $TMP
[02:34] <stupendo44> 	    fi
[02:35] <stupendo44> so it would remove the file if it didn't have anything other than the one line. But the grep line crashes, so it never gets to that point
[02:35] <stupendo44> checking another thing
[02:35] <mnoir> if ya want fun, change the mv to a rm $TMP
[02:35] <mnoir> :)
[02:36] <stupendo44> I'm going to manually rename the /etc/dhclient-blahblah file and see if a reinstall and uninstall works
[02:36] <mnoir> goforit
[02:37] <hupp3l> how can I make a script that will automatically up my eth1 at startup
[02:37] <hupp3l> ?
[02:37] <stupendo44> hupp3l: ifup eth1
[02:37] <stupendo44> lol
[02:37] <hupp3l> :-/
[02:38] <stupendo44> Kubuntu?
[02:38] <hupp3l> I have to manually add my router to the route
[02:38] <hupp3l> yes kubuntu
[02:38] <hupp3l> i have a broadcom(:() wlan
[02:38] <stupendo44> you know what commands need to be run?
[02:38] <hupp3l> yes
[02:38] <stupendo44> put them line by line in a file
[02:38] <stupendo44> and save it
[02:39] <hupp3l> ok i did that
[02:39] <hupp3l> does it need an extension?
[02:39] <stupendo44> I haven't done it, so I'm not 100% sure on the specifics, but the file needs to go in ~/.kde/Autostart
[02:39] <stupendo44> hupp3l: doesn't matter
[02:39] <stupendo44> hupp3l: it may need executable attribute
[02:40] <stupendo44> hupp3l: I think that will do it. Best way is to just try and see
[02:40] <stupendo44> or you can look up .kde/Autostart on google
[02:40] <hupp3l> ok
[02:41] <hupp3l> thank you stupendo44
[02:41] <stupendo44> hupp3l: np
[02:42] <wk2001> shit i've a problem with my filenames... there is a character on the end which i don't know
[02:43] <wk2001> a special character... someone an idea how to find it out what it is?
[02:43] <mnoir> try ls > a file
[02:43] <mnoir> and edit the file
[02:46] <wk2001> ah ok thx
[02:46] <wk2001> @ mnoir
[02:46] <mnoir> np
[02:46] <mnoir> :)
[02:46] <wk2001> and do u know how to remove the ending of many files with regular expressions e.g.?
[02:47] <mnoir> same ending?
[02:47] <mnoir> and you want it to be a different ending?
[02:47] <wk2001> no ending
[02:47] <wk2001> my ending is for example abc.x
[02:47] <wk2001> and i want abc
[02:48] <wk2001> (with many files) ;)
[02:49] <mnoir> i have not done a lot of regex recently so i am very slow - you might want to ask in #regex
[02:49] <mnoir> i am thinking about it now
[02:50] <wk2001> ok i have the solution :)
[02:51] <mnoir> please tell me
[02:51] <wk2001> rename 's/\.a$//' *.a
[02:51] <wk2001> when the extension is .a
[02:51] <mnoir> ah - i see
[02:51] <mnoir> very nice
[02:52] <wk2001> google helped me :P
[02:52] <mnoir> btw this is in the rename manpage  :)
[02:52] <wk2001> ik :)
[02:52] <mnoir> type man rename - they use .bak in example
[02:52] <mnoir> :)
[02:52] <mnoir> google is our friend
[02:53] <mnoir> man is too :)
[02:53] <wk2001> first i searched at google, there was something with "rename"... then i looked at the man-pages :)
[02:53] <wk2001> but thx for help
[02:53] <mnoir> np
[02:53] <mnoir> this uses perl style expr
[02:53] <mnoir> a little different from other regex
[02:54] <mnoir> but all are same concept  :)
[02:54] <mnoir> my solution would have used mv instead :)
[02:56] <wk2001> but then u had to use a loop, or not?
[02:56] <mnoir> yes
[02:56] <mnoir> but your solution is actually perl so you will have to run perl to use it
[02:58] <mnoir> is simple to do at commmandline by typing 'perl'
[02:58] <ryanakca> geee... this upgrade is taking forever
[02:58] <mnoir> ryan: it is over 1300 effing pkgs...
[02:59] <ryanakca> still nothing wrong with it... yet... *keeps fingers crossed*
[02:59] <stupendo44> hupp3l: I just realized, you may need         #!/bin/bash            to be the first line of your file
[02:59] <mnoir> some very effing
[02:59] <ryanakca> close to 1400 :P
[02:59] <ryanakca> I think I'll be here till dawn
[02:59] <mnoir> I rest my case
[02:59] <ryanakca> lol
[03:00] <mnoir> sol
[03:00] <mnoir> (sleeping out loud while yer lolling
[03:00] <ryanakca> exactly 1398 packages
[03:00] <ryanakca> yes... I just hope dad doesnt ship me off to bed before its done
[03:00] <GullyFoyle> amarok gives me an error that it can't play mp3s! what the ...
[03:02] <stupendo44> mnoir: hey, I was reading on a forum about a guy with the same problem, and his file has another line in it before the place that fails: if grep "sh /etc/init.d/firestarter start" /etc/dhclient-exit-hooks >/dev/null; then
[03:02] <stupendo44> that looks like the fix to me
[03:03] <mnoir> good - forums are good for something....
[03:03] <stupendo44> the guy that was helping the guy with the problem had the newer version. So it's possible that my version is just old
[03:04] <mnoir> at least somebody else reports the problem
[03:04] <mnoir> so much for testing uninstalls
[03:04] <mnoir> a guess they never dreamed someone would ever want to uninstall it
[03:04] <mnoir> maybe - ubuntu is not bleeding edge, for usually good reasons
[03:04] <stupendo44> mnoir: but it looks like I have the newest version according to their website
[03:05] <stupendo44> lol
[03:05] <mnoir> hmm - so much for that theory
[03:05] <mnoir> time to get ready for tomorrow - it may be here soon - l8r
[03:07] <ryanakca> d'arvit! I'm getting errors now :/
[03:08] <ryanakca> debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome
[03:08] <ryanakca> debconf: (Unable to load Gnome -- is libgnome2-perl installed?)
[03:08] <ryanakca> debconf:falling back to frontend: Dialog
[03:08] <ryanakca> and it repeats that error 5 times in the synaptic installation window's terminal
[03:09] <ryanakca> any ideas???
[03:13] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: well, isgn libgnome2-perl installed?
[03:13] <luisito> hello, I have some questions: If I have 2 Hardisks, one of them have windows and it is hda1, and the other have ubuntu and it is hdb1 with hdb2 and hdb5 for swap, and 2 optical drives, hdc and hdd...
[03:15] <luisito> and I change the ubuntu disk to the position of one of the optical drives, I should update the fstab right?
[03:17] <ryanakca> who's my clone?
[03:17] <ryanakca> grrr..
[03:18] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: you have a nasty clone?
[03:18] <ClayG> ryanakca, that sounds like an F/O error to me
[03:18] <ClayG> have you checked into that?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> !ghost
[03:18] <ubotu> somebody said ghost was type /msg nickserv GHOST <name> <password>
[03:18] <ryanakca> yes, I know
[03:18] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ^
[03:19] <ryanakca> I dont have ryanakca_ registered
[03:19] <Hobbsee> er....you have ops?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> oh crud!
[03:19] <ryanakca> so I cant ghost it... I'll check if theres any freenode staff around
[03:19] <Snake__> Apparently
[03:19] <Snake__> :)
[03:19] <ClayG> hhahaa always
[03:19] <GullyFoyle> amarok wouldn't play mp3s so i apt-get installed amarok-xine. now it gives me an error when i try to start amarok
[03:20] <ClayG> you'll have more of a hard time finding someone that isn't an op
[03:20] <Hobbsee> rofl!
[03:20] <Snake__> Whats goin on?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> seems that whoever i have selected, my op command ops...
[03:20] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: how's that?
[03:20] <ryanakca> good
[03:21] <ryanakca> ty
[03:21] <Steil> Is the amarok 1.4 beta provided in the packages compiled with the ipod plugin? I can't seem to get it to work.
[03:21] <Hobbsee> :) no problems
[03:21] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: i tht someone had stolen your nick, lol. giving ops to other ppl, lol
[03:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:21] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: well, the alias works in that it op's the current nick...
[03:22] <Hobbsee> and i had ryanakca selected, so it op'd him instead of me
[03:22] <Hobbsee> ll
[03:22] <Hobbsee> *lol
[03:22] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: hmm, okay. i don't know much about the gui irc clients, lol
[03:22] <ryanakca> oh! I was opped! (even if by mistake)... I feel special
[03:22] <Steil> Snake__: I hear you've had a similar problem to me, would you mind helping to point me in the right direction?
[03:22] <Snake__> Steil: whats the issue?
[03:23] <Steil> amarok 1.4 beta1 isn't playing nice with my ipod
[03:23] <ClayG> hmmmm
[03:23] <Snake__> Ah, whoever told you that is mis-informed, I dont have a ipod :)
[03:23] <ClayG> i've seen that, i told him you've had that same problem and fixed it for someone
[03:23] <GullyFoyle> Snake__: did you have aprob when you installed amarok-xine? i cant get amarok to play mp3s. it won't start.
[03:23] <ClayG> Didn you have an F/O error man?
[03:23] <ClayG> or help someone with it recently
[03:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:23] <ryanakca> F/O error?
[03:23] <ClayG> Yeah
[03:23] <Snake__> GullyFoyle: do you have amarok-xine and gstreamer-mad0.8 or whatever?
[03:23] <ClayG> at least that's what it sounds like to me
[03:23] <Snake__> I forget the other package
[03:24] <ClayG> ahhhh yeah
[03:24] <ClayG> yup, amarak, ipods defintly an F/O Error
[03:24] <GullyFoyle> Snake__: I HAVE AMAROK-XINE BUT NOT THE OTHER ONE
[03:24] <ClayG> or F/O Fault, whichever
[03:24] <GullyFoyle> oop sry caps
[03:24] <Snake__> GullyFoyle: gotta get gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:24] <Snake__> GullyFoyle: then make sure you have xine set as your engine in your amarok options
[03:25] <ClayG> come on, dude dont beat arond the bush
[03:25] <ClayG> help the guy out
[03:25] <GullyFoyle> installing gstremaer0.8-mad right now
[03:25] <Snake__> Okie dokie
[03:26] <GullyFoyle> still get error can't find any sound engine plugins
[03:26] <Snake__> GullyFoyle: go to the options of amarok, see what it says there
[03:26] <Snake__> GullyFoyle: settings, configure amarok, engine
[03:26] <ryanakca> I keep getting an error in synaptic: debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome         debconf: (Unable to load Gnome -- is libgnome2-perl installed?)          debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog
[03:26] <GullyFoyle> Snake__: i can't go to options because it won't start
[03:26] <ClayG> yup, the tell tale signs
[03:26] <ryanakca> its kinda hard to check if its installed when I run apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:26] <Snake__> GullyFoyle: Amarok wont even start up!?
[03:27] <ClayG> you may just need use play
[03:27] <GullyFoyle> Snake__: nope
[03:27] <Snake__> GullyFoyle: ..man thats weird...and beyond my scope :-/
[03:27] <Snake__> Im sorry :(
[03:27] <ryanakca> any idea?
[03:27] <GullyFoyle> Snake__: mebbe i'll uninstall and reinstall?
[03:28] <Snake__> GullyFoyle: you could try that if you want, dunno if it will help tjo
[03:28] <ClayG> You have to replace the operator
[03:28] <ClayG> and you'll find if you do that it makes it difficult to use the computer
[03:28] <Snake__> ClayG: stop spammin man
[03:29] <ubuntu> the new breezy liveCD rulez!
[03:30] <GullyFoyle> oh well xmms still works
[03:30] <Snake__> GullyFoyle: thats unfornate....amarok is a great player
[03:30] <hupp3l> it does?
[03:31] <ubuntu> i love roK!
[03:31] <ubuntu> at the WOA this year?
[03:32] <hupp3l> i like the flying dapper flight 3 or whatever you call it
[03:32] <ubuntu> Wacken Open Air ?
[03:32] <ryanakca> anybody?
[03:32] <ubuntu> flight 4 is our long ago
[03:32] <ubuntu> out
[03:32] <Snake__> Flight 4 was just released a few days ago..
[03:32] <hupp3l> what makes it better?
[03:32] <ubuntu> yeah thats for a long time :-P
[03:33] <hupp3l> how can i update?
[03:33] <Snake__> hupp3l: its not better, its still in development
[03:33] <Snake__> Crashes,bugs, fun stuff
[03:33] <ubuntu> wait till april, hupp3l
[03:33] <hupp3l> ok
[03:33] <hupp3l> then I will wait
[03:33] <Snake__> hupp3l: it will be formally released in april
[03:33] <hupp3l> what improvements will it have?
[03:33] <Snake__> A ton
[03:33] <Snake__> :)
[03:33] <Snake__> Hang on hupp3l ill find the list
[03:34] <ubuntu> however - ill have to go to bed, its half past two in the morning here in germany
[03:34] <hupp3l> the only real reason I have flight 3 now is because of the broadcom driver
[03:34] <hupp3l> cya
[03:34] <ubuntu> gn8 ;)
[03:35] <Snake__> hupp3l: heres a list of whats improved in flight 4
[03:35] <Snake__> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight4
[03:36] <hupp3l> thanx Snake__
[03:36] <StringBlade> a little help with Kubuntu and Alsa?
[03:37] <Snake__> man lotta sound issues tonight
[03:37] <StringBlade> here's the short version
[03:37] <StringBlade> sound was working fine
[03:37] <StringBlade> get a new set of speakers (5.1)
[03:37] <StringBlade> fiddle with a bunch of crap to hear anything out of the rear/center speakers
[03:38] <StringBlade> figure out the speakers are busted
[03:38] <StringBlade> return them and set up my old speakers
[03:38] <Snake__> :-/
[03:38] <StringBlade> now no sound at all
[03:38] <StringBlade> :/
[03:38] <Snake__> StringBlade: did you reset all your settings back to stereo?
[03:38] <StringBlade> I'd be happy to "reset" Kubuntu to whatever it detected the first time
[03:38] <StringBlade> I thought so
[03:38] <Snake__> Hmm...not really sure
[03:38] <Snake__> im not a sound guy
[03:38] <StringBlade> give me some files I should check - I'm dizzy with file names
[03:39] <StringBlade>  /etc/asound.conf
[03:39] <StringBlade>  .asoundrc
[03:39] <StringBlade>  /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf
[03:39] <StringBlade>  /etc/modutil/alsa-base
[03:39] <StringBlade> I have no idea what's actually being used
[03:40] <StringBlade> but it seems to be back to simple stereo sound
[03:40] <StringBlade> the strangest part is if I really crank up the stereo (to almost as loud as it can go), then I can hear a garbled version of my music
[03:40] <StringBlade> I know I have the right jacks plugged in
[03:41] <StringBlade> the guys in the /alsa channel are dead or asleep or something
[03:41] <Snake__> Thats weird man...I wish I could help :-/
[03:41] <crimsun> what's the issue?
[03:41] <StringBlade> eh, I thought maybe someone here had a similar experience - maybe it was Kubuntu related
[03:41] <StringBlade> no sound
[03:41] <StringBlade> after trying to get 5.1 working (from 2.0)
[03:41] <StringBlade> then switching back to stereo
[03:41] <crimsun> so stereo worked fine?
[03:42] <StringBlade> it *used* to
[03:42] <StringBlade> now I can't get peep
[03:42] <crimsun> please tell me you didn't edit /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf
[03:42] <Snake__> Ashex: you get that F/O figured out?
[03:42] <StringBlade> aplay /usr/share/sound/pop.wav plays without error, but no sound is produced
[03:42] <StringBlade> crimsun: if I did, I turned it back - just a one line edit
[03:42] <Ashex> yup, I hopped into Grub editor and reset the locations
[03:43] <Ashex> I'm trying to figure out how to update the ati drivers now
[03:43] <StringBlade> no
[03:43] <Ashex> !ati
[03:43] <ubotu> ati is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[03:43] <StringBlade> I didn't touch alsa.conf
[03:43] <crimsun> StringBlade: pastebin amixer output
[03:44] <isodude> that guide in ubuntuforums crashes if you have the wrong kernel I think
[03:44] <isodude> :)
[03:45] <isodude> that atiinstall guide*
[03:45] <StringBlade> pastebin's not accessible to me right now
[03:46] <crimsun> StringBlade: there are lots of different pastebins. Use one; pass me the URL.
[03:46] <StringBlade> http://pastebin.ca/42516
[03:47] <StringBlade> the EMU10K1 sections are new to me
[03:48] <StringBlade> my asound.conf prior to me renaming it to asound.conf.old so it wouldn't be used: http://pastebin.ca/42518
[03:49] <StringBlade> I have two audio cards - SBLive PCI card and an onboard VIA8237 (ABIT KV8-Max3 NForce chipset)
[03:49] <StringBlade> I want to use the SBLive (as that's what I was using before)
[03:50] <crimsun> cat /proc/asound/modules
[03:50] <StringBlade> I only tried to play with the VIA8237 because it has 5.1
[03:50] <StringBlade> 0 snd_emu10k1
[03:50] <StringBlade> 1 snd_via82xx
[03:53] <crimsun> unmute 'Surround', and turn up 'Surround', 'Center' and 'LFE'
[03:53] <Nomad411> !ubuntu
[03:53] <ubotu> [ubuntu]  an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It's Bantu for 'Humanity to others'. see !awards.
[03:54] <crimsun> next, unmute 'Wave', 'Wave Center', 'Wave LFE', and 'Wave Surround', and make sure their levels are up
[03:54] <Brydenn> ok so really fast... where the hell is the CD-ROM mounted at?
[03:54] <Brydenn> i need the directory
[03:54] <crimsun> finally, unmute 'SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack'
[03:55] <crimsun> for surround, you probably want to unmute 'Sigmatel 4-Speaker Stereo', too
[03:55] <StringBlade> I don't really have surround
[03:56] <StringBlade> only stereo
[03:56] <StringBlade> and notta
[03:56] <Ashex> where can I download Kubuntu files manually?
[03:56] <StringBlade> no sound
[03:56] <StringBlade> aplay plays, but nothing comes out
[03:56] <StringBlade> and the volume is far from down
[03:56] <Brydenn> ashex... do you mean debian packages?
[03:56] <crimsun> StringBlade: did you unmute _all_ the elements I said _and_ turn them all up?
[03:57] <Ashex> Brydenn: I need to grab a few ati files off the apt-get, so I guess?
[03:57] <Brydenn> oh well hmm do you know what the name of the files are?
[03:57] <StringBlade> crimsun: yes - only a couple were "mute-able" in the first place
[03:57] <Brydenn> just try "sudo apt-get install <name>"
[03:57] <Brydenn> do that in the Konsole
[03:58] <Ashex> Heh
[03:58] <Ashex> I'm not quite there yet
[03:58] <crimsun> StringBlade: are you speakers actually plugged into the live's output?
[03:58] <Brydenn> :) ok
[03:58] <crimsun> your^
[03:58] <StringBlade> yes
[03:58] <Cainus> anyone know if I can configure samba to give me write access like the user I'm logged in as?  I'd hate to have to chmod 777 my home dir :\
[03:58] <Ashex> Kubuntu doesn't like my video card, so I'm using rescue mode to update the ati drivers
[03:58] <crimsun> StringBlade: use speaker-test to verify
[03:58] <Brydenn> hehe
[03:58] <Ashex> but I need to download a couple manually from the server
[03:58] <StringBlade> as I mentioned, if I really crank the sound to max on the stereo, then I hear a garbled version of my sound
[03:58] <mja> hello -- is there a way to select either KDE or GDM from the login screen?
[03:58] <Brydenn> what ati card is it ahsex?
[03:58] <Ashex> radeon xpress 200m
[03:59] <Brydenn> see you should just get an nVidia card hehe
[03:59] <Ashex> I would
[03:59] <Brydenn> its better than ATI anyway ;)
[03:59] <Brydenn> lol
[03:59] <Nomad411> !ubuntu-desktop
[03:59] <ubotu> ubuntu-desktop is, like, totally, a metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when ugprading.
[03:59] <Ashex> but it's a laptop :P
[03:59] <Brydenn> auh, i see
[03:59] <mja> Nomad411: thanks
[03:59] <Nomad411> mja: ?
[03:59] <crimsun> StringBlade: sigh. Are you using digital out or analog speakers connected directly into your sb live?
[03:59] <Ashex> I need to double check that some files are installs
[04:00] <Ashex> but I'm not 100% of the architecture I want
[04:00] <StringBlade> crimsun: analog out to receiver (CD-in) receiver to speakers (and tuner works just fine so the speakers are hooked up)
[04:00] <Ashex> I installed the 64-bit, so which one it is will be rather annoying if I'm just guessing with apt-get
[04:00] <StringBlade> crimsun: I've plugged the jack in every port on the card and run aplay and speaker-test
[04:01] <StringBlade> any idea on how I can "reset" Kubuntu to defaults?
[04:01] <StringBlade> those worked
[04:01] <StringBlade> when it auto-detected stuff
[04:01] <Nomad411> I want to install ubuntu-desktop to give it a spin, but it looks liek OpenOffoce will be installed again.  I sthat normal?
[04:01] <Brydenn> Ashex: check your PM
[04:02] <Brydenn> i think i found your answer
[04:02] <Nomad411> nvm, I read wrong :(
[04:02] <crimsun> sudo invoke-rc.d alsa force-unload && sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state && sudo modprobe snd-emu10k1 && sudo modprobe snd-via82xx
[04:02] <StringBlade> crimsun: interesting....I just plugged the jack into the rear/surround on the card and ran speaker test and now I hear static in the left speaker only
[04:07] <StringBlade> crimsun: sound is coming from Wave Surround only
[04:07] <crimsun> StringBlade: can you hear sound at all, though?
[04:07] <StringBlade> yes
[04:08] <StringBlade> left speaker only when plugged into the surround jack of the card
[04:08] <StringBlade> not the front output jack
[04:08] <crimsun> please backup then remove all traces of ~/.asoundrc* and /etc/asound.conf*
[04:10] <StringBlade> done
[04:10] <StringBlade> restarted ALSA to no effect
[04:11] <crimsun> you wouldn't need to restart ALSA
[04:11] <crimsun> pastebin lspci -v && lspci -nv
[04:11] <StringBlade> I just wanted to be sure
[04:13] <StringBlade> http://pastebin.ca/42528
[04:14] <johnflux> hmm
[04:14] <johnflux> http://dot.kde.org/1140466742/
[04:14] <johnflux> this guy is the coder that I wish I was
[04:14] <johnflux> author of valgrind, bzip2 and worked on a haskell compilier
[04:14] <LeeJunFan> I wish I was the coder I used to be.
[04:15] <johnflux> hmm i know the feeling
[04:16] <LeeJunFan> Coding has been my passion for life, but necessity has instead turned me into a network guy. :(
[04:16] <crimsun> don't wish to be someone else. Be yourself and do great things.
[04:17] <johnflux> LeeJunFan: so?  code for fun :)
[04:17] <johnflux> LeeJunFan: I've been working on ksysguard recently for kde4
[04:17] <johnflux> it's going to kick ass ;)
[04:17] <LeeJunFan> johnflux: I don't have much funtime. My funtime is consumed by 3 kids these days.
[04:17] <LeeJunFan> Different kind of fun.
[04:18] <johnflux> use ksysguard and SIGKILL the children
[04:18] <LeeJunFan> Wouldn't trade it.
[04:18] <Steil> Is anyone else having a problem with Amarok 1.4 beta1, and ipods? My shuffle just shows up as a generic vfat device and theres no option to use the apple ipod plugin
[04:18] <crimsun> computers can never replace humans.
[04:21] <LeeJunFan> johnflux: SIGSTOP would be nice, then I could just SIGCONT them when it's convenient. :)
[04:21] <StringBlade> crimsun: did you need me to run lspci -v as root?
[04:22] <crimsun> StringBlade: no
[04:22] <johnflux> LeeJunFan: SIGABORT
[04:22] <LeeJunFan> johnflux: too late for that.
[04:22] <johnflux> ;)
[04:22] <johnflux> my gf wants 3 kids
[04:22] <johnflux> i'm gonna have to tread carefully :/
[04:22] <johnflux> ;)
[04:26] <StringBlade> it wouldn't matter that I have AMD64 machine to ALSA right?  After all, it was working before
[04:26] <LeeJunFan> johnflux: it's cool if you can make a career out of what you want to do, but your extra time will be spent watching Jurrasic park 400 times, Treasure Planet 100 times, etc...
[04:26] <crimsun> StringBlade: not really.
[04:26] <LeeJunFan> At least Jurrasic park never gets too boring.
[04:26] <crimsun> StringBlade: reproduce the symptoms with a Kubuntu Dapper Flight 4 live cd, please
[04:27] <crimsun> except for that "I know this, this is UNIX!" bit
[04:27] <StringBlade> crimsun: ha
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> can dapper print yet with kde?
[04:27] <StringBlade> crimsun: I'm sure a Live CD will work - it has in the past
[04:27] <StringBlade> you just want to see the config?
[04:27] <crimsun> that's just a shade beyond my willing suspension of disbelief, regardless of how much I tolerate in movies
[04:28] <StringBlade> can't I use the Breezy Live CD (as I already have it burned)
[04:28] <LeeJunFan> crimsun: yeah, I couldn't have told that from that 3d gui they had there and I DO know unix.
[04:28] <StringBlade> I recall reading that that 3D GUI was a real file system navigator program
[04:28] <StringBlade> something by SGI
[04:28] <crimsun> StringBlade: I need you to restore a _pristine_ sound config, not one you've already modified
[04:28] <StringBlade> but hardly standard UNIX
[04:29] <Hentai^XP> StringBlade there is such a thing
[04:29] <StringBlade> crimsun: all I'm saying is that I'm not likely to be able to reproduce the problem on a live CD
[04:29] <Hentai^XP> I'm not sure if its exactly by SGI or company that made programs for IRIC
[04:29] <Hentai^XP> IRIX
[04:30] <crimsun> StringBlade: and I'm not likely to be able to decode the problem matrix of all modifications you've made
[04:31] <StringBlade> Hentai^XP: the software is called File System Navigator and it runs on a SGI Indigo
[04:32] <StringBlade> crimsun: before I started down the whole 5.1 path - I had no .asoundrc, no /etc/asound.conf, and only alsa-base in /etc/modutils/
[04:32] <StringBlade> I've commented out or removed all the lines I've added to the existing files
[04:33] <StringBlade> and removed the asound.conf and .asoundrc files
[04:33] <Hentai^XP> SGI indigo runs IRIX for its OS
[04:34] <StringBlade> right, but FSN is the program running on it in the movie
[04:34] <LeeJunFan> they should have used SCO it would have gone well with being Jurrasic.
[04:34] <crimsun> StringBlade: have you rebooted since making the last changes?
[04:34] <StringBlade> crimsun: no.
[04:34] <cyblivious> opinions: must have linux apps??
[04:35] <LeeJunFan> cyblivious: depends on what you must do...
[04:35] <StringBlade> crimsun: is there anyway to restart a subsystem?  I'm working on the computer I'm troubleshooting and would rather not reboot if I could simply restart a service or three
[04:35] <cyblivious> what apps can't you leave without?
[04:35] <LeeJunFan> cyblivious: for me: traceroute, nmap, whois, gcc :)
[04:35] <crimsun> StringBlade: unload all the modules, then modprobe the main drivers.
[04:35] <StringBlade> locate is good -- but more of a tool than an app
[04:36] <crimsun> grep and awk are two that come to mind immediately.
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> cyblivious: gimp, firefox, kino, kmymoney, klibidio
[04:36] <crimsun> (and yes, I consider them apps)
[04:37] <LeeJunFan> cyblivious: most of what I use daily is standard install stuff, konversation, kopete, openoffice, kontact, knotes.
[04:37] <StringBlade> gaim, amarok/xmms, thunderbird
[04:38] <cyblivious> what's klibidio?
[04:38] <StringBlade> (gaim only if you use IM beyond IRC)
[04:38] <LeeJunFan> cyblivious: a newsgroup downloader.
[04:38] <cyblivious> me too :)
[04:38] <cyblivious> ok
[04:38] <StringBlade> s/gaim/imclient/
[04:38] <cyblivious> anybody knows of an RSS reader with newpaper view/layout?
[04:38] <cyblivious> anybody knows of an RSS reader with newspaper view/layout?
[04:40] <cyblivious> ?
[04:41] <Snake__> cyblivious: like....thunderbird?
[04:46] <cyblivious> i don't think it has a newspaper layout/view
[04:46] <cyblivious> does it?
[04:57] <Hobbsee> cyberserver: or akregator
[04:58] <httpdss> does anyone know how to change the bitrate of an ogg vorbis ??? (from 192 to 128)
[05:01] <crimsun> err...
[05:01] <crimsun> you can "transcode" using oggenc
[05:01] <crimsun> -q4 iirc
[05:02] <StringBlade> httpdss: if that doesn't work, you can use oggdec to decode to WAV and oggenc to re-encode it given a maximum bitrate
[05:03] <StringBlade> httpdss: man oggenc
[05:03] <StringBlade> look at the examples
[05:09] <httpdss> StringBlade: thx ... im trying to see if i can pipe it ..
[05:10] <StringBlade> Writing WAV format to stdout is a bad idea.  WAV  requires  a  seekable
[05:10] <StringBlade>        medium  for  the  header  to be rewritten after all the data is written
[05:10] <StringBlade>        out; stdout is not seekable.
[05:11] <StringBlade> but you can do it
[05:12] <httpdss> :( doing it the long way then
[05:12] <StringBlade> oggdec - < my192.ogg | oggenc -M 128 - > my128.ogg
[05:12] <StringBlade> that might work
[05:12] <StringBlade> then again, it might now
[05:13] <StringBlade> not*
[05:16] <johnflux> you can use raw ;)
[05:20] <Pingjockey> evening folks, anyone here runnnig dapper with the nvidia-glx driver?
[05:21] <Pingjockey> hello?
[05:22] <StringBlade> sorry, Breezy here
[05:23] <Pingjockey> hmm. ok
[05:23] <Pingjockey> I could not get breezy to install
[05:23] <Pingjockey> dapper installed fine though.. go figure
[05:24] <StringBlade> what's the problem with the glx driver?
[05:24] <StringBlade> can't get it to work at all?
[05:24] <Pingjockey> the install script keeps complaining that it can't find the xorg.conf file.. I know its there though
[05:25] <StringBlade> and you're running as root or using 'sudo'?
[05:25] <Pingjockey> sudo
[05:26] <Pingjockey> does not make any sense unless its xorg 7.0 thats borking things up
[05:27] <StringBlade> maybe
[05:27] <StringBlade> I'm running 6.8.2
[05:27] <StringBlade> and have no problems
[05:27] <StringBlade> NVidia GeForce FX 5500
[05:28] <Pingjockey> breezy will not install on a nforce 4 amd athlon 64 mobo in 64bit mode
[05:28] <Pingjockey> atleast for me anyway
[05:30] <mendi> ll
[05:32] <StringBlade> wonder what it is about the nforce 4 chipset -- cause I have a VIA chipset with an Athlon 64 in 64bit mode running just fine
[05:54] <ubuntu> !grub
[05:54] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[06:10] <zozvozozo> hello
[06:11] <Hobbsee> hi zozvozozo
[06:11] <zozvozozo> need to know where i might find *good ol'* glibc 2.3.x ...
[06:12] <zozvozozo> i look to compile a HL2 app and Ubuntu seems to have this libc6 business. i just cannot catch a break. ahahha
[06:12] <Hobbsee> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=glibc&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[06:12] <Hobbsee> zozvozozo: presumably none of them are it?
[06:12] <zozvozozo> i have the universe repositories enabled in adept. no luck. why can't they just have good old glibc...
[06:13] <zozvozozo> checking. thnx
[06:13] <Hobbsee> libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 maybe, i'm not sure
[06:14] <crimsun> good ol' glibc 2.3.x?
[06:14] <crimsun> Are you serious?
[06:14] <crimsun> You do realise that Ubuntu ships 2.3.x, correct?
[06:14] <zozvozozo> it's so sad. i've been so exhausted trying to upgrade this machine only to run into this new wall with Ubuntu...
[06:15] <zozvozozo> sorry, i am checking, no glibc here... i have installed from CD downloaded from the site.
[06:16] <crimsun> I'm absolutely positive you have libc6 2.3.5 installed
[06:16] <crimsun> if you didn't, your system wouldn't even function
[06:16] <zozvozozo> glibc in konsole... command not found. locate glibc, not here. oh, i'm running Kubuntu. no difference?
[06:16] <crimsun> we call it libc6, not glibc
[06:16] <zozvozozo> ok
[06:16] <crimsun> if you're trying to compile something, install build-essential
[06:18] <zozvozozo> k... thnx crimsun
[06:20] <zozvozozo> dumb question: glibc nor libc6 are executable like, for instance, GCC? glibc/libc6 are only libraries?
[06:21] <EightiesK> !grub
[06:21] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[06:21] <crimsun> zozvozozo: certain components are executable
[06:21] <crimsun> zozvozozo: but yes, on the whole they're libraries.
[06:22] <zozvozozo> ok, just wanting to type something in konsole to see for sure what version i have whether libc6 or glibc...
[06:22] <crimsun> dpkg -l libc6|grep ^ii
[06:22] <zozvozozo> thx
[06:22] <raka> hi guys, i've been wondering, how god is ubuntu (or kubuntu) to run as a server?
[06:22] <raka> hi guys, i've been wondering, how good is ubuntu (or kubuntu) to run as a server?
[06:22] <raka> anyone?
[06:22] <chadwick|359> raka: It's okay, but i prefer debian sid
[06:23] <chadwick|359> Can anybody help me get ekiga interface with windows/msn messenger?
[06:24] <raka> sid? are there any specific reason, chad?
[06:25] <chadwick|359> Yeah, the packages are constantly updated, but not to the point where they are unstable. Usually Sid packages are developer stable, just without debian official patches applied
[06:25] <Hobbsee> !wireless
[06:25] <ubotu> it has been said that wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[06:26] <raka> i see... how bout sarge?
[06:27] <raka> is it as good as sid?
[06:28] <chadwick|359> well, some would say yes, just because it is branded as the stable release, but i have almost never had any stability problems with sid, and you get more up to date packages
[06:40] <Brydenn> ok someone help me with wine
[06:40] <Brydenn> i was playing around with winecfg
[06:40] <Brydenn> and now i dont have a c drive anymore lol
[06:40] <Brydenn> how do i fix it?
[06:44] <Crowbar> Do i have to add deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351/ breezy main to get the update?
[06:47] <Hobbsee> Crowbar: to kde 3.5.1?  yes
[06:50] <Brydenn> there you are Hobbsee
[06:50] <Brydenn> i need help with wine
[06:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:50] <Brydenn> i somehow got rid of my c drive in winecfg
[06:50] <Hobbsee> dont know exactly how much help i'll be, but ok
[06:50] <Brydenn> and it says i need to re-add it
[06:50] <Hobbsee> do you have winetools on there?  or some form of GUI to add it again?
[06:51] <Brydenn> i dont think i have winetools
[06:51] <Brydenn> should i apt-get it
[06:51] <Hobbsee> no, there's already a GUI tool there
[06:51] <Brydenn> then?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> then there's an option for create c drive
[06:52] <Hobbsee> otherwise sudo apt-get remove --purge wine && sudo apt-get install wine, but that's kinda long
[06:52] <Brydenn> 'eh ill just reinstall haha
[06:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:52] <Brydenn> hopefully that'll fix it :)
[06:52] <Hobbsee> hopefully it'll delete all of the config files with the --purge
[06:52] <Brydenn> can i put that whole command in Konsole?
[06:52] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:52] <Brydenn> sweet
[06:53] <Hobbsee> the double & just means do command 1 and command 2 and command 3 and command ten billion
[06:53] <Brydenn> i see
[06:53] <Brydenn> good to know :)
[06:53] <Hobbsee> if you run command 1 && command 2 && command 3 && command 10 billion
[06:53] <Hobbsee> very :P
[06:53] <Brydenn> this is frustrating
[06:53] <Brydenn> i'm trying to figure out how to run Exact Audio Copy in WINE
[06:54] <Brydenn> and its pissin me off
[06:54] <Brydenn> it works... kind of
[06:54] <Brydenn> like i can install it and run it
[06:54] <Brydenn> i'm having trouble getting it to READ my CDs
[06:54] <Brydenn> it wont load them in the program
[06:54] <Brydenn> i've read bits in forums about how you have to point it to the mouted CD, etc
[06:54] <Brydenn> but i havent had any luck yet :(
[06:55] <Hobbsee> :(
[06:55] <Brydenn> :(
[06:59] <crimsun> (1) you don't mount an audio cd. (2) why not use k3b?
[06:59] <Brydenn> cuz EAC is better
[07:00] <Brydenn> there isnt a program that beats it
[07:00] <Brydenn> everything i've read says linux has NOTHING thats as good as EAC
[07:01] <Brydenn> hell even other windows apps arent as good as EAC from what i've read
[07:01] <robotgeek> Brydenn: hmm, what is this EAC that you talk of :)
[07:01] <crimsun> I'm not concerned with what might not work. I'm concerned with what works.
[07:01] <Brydenn> robotgeek:  http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/
[07:01] <crimsun> in Ubuntu, you can use Sound Juicer
[07:01] <crimsun> if you prefer the cli, you can use cdparanoia directly
[07:02] <robotgeek> Brydenn: hmm, i've always been satified with the ubuntu tools, really
[07:03] <Brydenn> am i really the only one that knows about EAC here?
[07:03] <Chousuke> Yes.
[07:03] <Brydenn> its the most accurate ripper
[07:03] <Crowbar> package avahi-daemon gives: /var/lib/dpkg/info/avahi-daemon.postinst: line 29: dbus-send: command not found when i upgraded to 3.5.1.  Any suggestions?
[07:03] <Brydenn> everyone at hydrogenaudio.org said it rocks
[07:04] <Chousuke> Try k3b
[07:05] <Chousuke> I'm betting its just as able as  EAC.
[07:05] <Brydenn> i'm sure its just as "able"
[07:05] <Brydenn> but eac double checks its rips
[07:06] <Chousuke> right :P
[07:06] <Brydenn> its slower but its better quality
[07:06] <Chousuke> most audio rippers today check their rips
[07:07] <Chousuke> because of copy protection trying to prevent you from ripping the music.
[07:08] <robotgeek> Brydenn: plus, linux doesn't have that problem of "un-rippable" cd's, i think
[07:09] <Chousuke> I don't know how the ripping program would affect audio quality, except if the encoder sucks or if it doesn't check for errors caused by copy protection
 ... just read about EAC on the site i listed above hehe
[07:10] <Brydenn> you'll understand what i mean :)
[07:17] <ubuntu> !grub
[07:17] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[07:17] <ubuntu> I NEED HELPPP LOL
[07:18] <EightiesK> lol
[07:24] <EightiesK> I had fedoras grub installed
[07:24] <EightiesK> and i erased fedora now i can't get anything to load....
[07:27] <Hobbsee> EightiesK: use the first section of http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[07:27] <Hobbsee> no, not that...
[07:27] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[07:27] <Hobbsee> that!
[07:27] <EightiesK> its not working...
[07:28] <EightiesK> well the super grub disk don't
[07:28] <Hobbsee> use the method from the install cd
[07:28] <EightiesK> i don't understand it
[07:28] <brydenn> ok Hobbsee
[07:28] <brydenn> so it didnt work
[07:28] <brydenn> my WINE is still F'd up
[07:29] <brydenn> lol
[07:29] <EightiesK> i'm in my second linux month
[07:29] <EightiesK> i'm like looooooost
[07:30] <Hobbsee> EightiesK: do you see this bit?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#head-32d586a32fe70f9e1accb80d55cf3d3f0600175a  That's the bit you want to follow
[07:34] <EightiesK> i dunno my partitions numbers and such though...
[07:34] <brydenn> so EightiesK ...
[07:34] <brydenn> you on a wireless router?
[07:34] <EightiesK> no
[07:34] <brydenn> really?
[07:34] <brydenn> no wireless
[07:35] <EightiesK> nope
[08:14] <[Vampis] > morning
[08:47] <bert_> I used Adept to get down a new kernel, I didn't write down the version number, is the kernel installed automaticall? or do I have to do something?
[08:48] <bert_> What's the latest kernel version?
[08:49] <viviersf> 2.6.15
[08:49] <bert_> My version shows 2.6.12_10_386
[08:49] <viviersf> yes
[08:50] <viviersf> cos you have breezy installed
[08:50] <bert_> Where would Adept put the kernel on the hard drive?
[08:50] <viviersf> erm
[08:50] <viviersf> what you meen ? and why you wanna know ?
[08:51] <httpdss> viviersf: you can get the 2.6.15 source at kernel.org
[08:52] <bert_> To see if the one downloaded is any newer than the one I had before. I wonder which version was installed from the Kubuntu 5.10 cd
[08:52] <viviersf> httpdss, yes but its not maintained by ubuntu, if you use that, you will prolly break your system
[08:53] <bert_> Is 2.6.12_10_386 the latest for Brezzy?
[08:57] <httpdss> yes ..
[08:58] <bert_> Would Adept have installed the updated kernel automatically? If so then the old one must have been 2.6.12_9
[08:58] <httpdss> viviersf: you still have the linux-image option on grub if you get your sistem unstable ..
[08:58] <viviersf> okay httpdss
[08:58] <viviersf> httpdss, then pull the deb source for the dapper kernel rather
[08:59] <viviersf> thats a patched 2.6.15 kernel
[08:59] <httpdss> viviersf: 2.6.15 doesnt use hotplug ...
[08:59] <bert_> But when I boot the computer, it doesn't come up with a menu and give me a choice of kernels, it just boots straight into Breezy
[09:00] <httpdss> you can press escape
[09:00] <bert_> I'll try that, Thanks
[09:00] <viviersf> httpdss, then what you want
[09:00] <viviersf> you want the latest kernel
[09:00] <viviersf> but then you complain about hotplug
[09:00] <viviersf> urg
[09:01] <bert_> I'm going to reboot my computer, Bye
[09:01] <httpdss> no, im happy with mine :P just telling the person that wanted to get the 2.6.15 to be carefull
[09:02] <viviersf> kay
[09:02] <viviersf> if you dont even know where to get kernel source
[09:02] <viviersf> you rather shouldnt try to compile your own
[09:02] <hatake_kakashi> eh, vanilla kernel is not for faint of heart, it takes a while to make it suit your computer, things are bound to break, etc
[09:03] <hatake_kakashi> however, all is a fun experience for those daring to challenge themselves. I have done it many many times on another distro
[09:04] <viviersf> yeah dude
[09:04] <viviersf> but its not the best place to start learning about linux
[09:04] <viviersf> its one of the more tricky things
[09:05] <hatake_kakashi> depends, for an average joe? no.. but for someone who has already messed with OS apart from just Windows and BeOS then maybe. I'm talking ones like HP-UX, Solaris, *BSD and even Unix itself
[09:05] <hatake_kakashi> Irix, etc
[09:05] <httpdss> viviersf: i have mine patched with ck and working fine ...
[09:06] <viviersf> hatake_kakashi + httpdss didnt mean you two man
[09:06] <hatake_kakashi> httpdss: ahh that patch :) I kinda know the author behind it
[09:06] <viviersf> it was directed at bert_
[09:07] <hatake_kakashi> viviersf: heh, I was trying to promote those who have "nothing to do" on their boxen :)
[09:07] <httpdss> ;)
[09:07] <hatake_kakashi> In fact, I really wanted to compile my own kernel for this distro as well
[09:08] <_evil_h_> noob question: what does compiling your kernel for a specific machine do?
[09:09] <hatake_kakashi> _evil_h_: tailores slightly more to your arch build, etc and plus the code may get smaller. You can also specify what you want and what you don't want, etc
[09:09] <_evil_h_> ok. makes sense. thanks
[09:09] <hatake_kakashi> when I say the code, I mean the output code and only as in *maybe*
[09:09] <hatake_kakashi> np
[09:12] <hatake_kakashi> Gentoo likes to promote the idea of downloading sources and bulding it from there. Many thought there will be speed optimisations to be gained. However it was also said that there is very very minimal gain, you only gain in tree optimisations. Though, because you have set certain -CFLAGS, the output code may be either bigger or smaller. Depending on how you set it, generic x86 support or i386 support generally supports most CPU however the
[09:18] <brosioz> why the fonts of all gtk application are more smaller than other in kde ? i've try to set all to 12 but doesn't works
[10:00] <cyblivious> need your help guys, everytime i mount/access any ntfs partitions, the mouse mouse freezes every few seconds or becomes jerky. What could be the problem?
[10:06] <Tonio_> lut
[10:09] <whatever> I installed a program stellarium, with aptitude. Now how should i start it?
[10:09] <whatever> using the command 'stellarium' doesn't works :(
[10:10] <viviersf> from the kmenu ?
[10:10] <whatever> I am not running  kicker
[10:10] <whatever> Hi all!! I love LInux
[10:11] <Tonio_> whatever: best is to know the kind of application
[10:11] <Tonio_> is it a shell, gnome or kde one ?
[10:12] <whatever> er  stellarium is a astronomy program
[10:12] <Tonio_> .......
[10:12] <Tonio_> is it qt or gtk based ?
[10:13] <Tonio_> whatever: did you install stellarium-data with it ?
[10:13] <whatever> No idea :(  i installed using 'aptitude install stellarium'
[10:13] <whatever> yes!
[10:13] <Tonio_> dapper or breezy ?
[10:13] <whatever> breezy
[10:13] <Tonio_> let me check
[10:14] <Tonio_> i'm installing it
[10:14] <whatever> So it should work with 'stellarium' command. and btw the message i get is "command not found"
[10:14] <whatever> Thanks :)
[10:14] <Tonio_> whatever: works perfectly for me :)
[10:15] <Tonio_> very nice I must say
[10:15] <Tonio_> do you get an error message while launching it ?
[10:15] <whatever> Ok, mmmust something at my end. Message " command not found"
[10:15] <whatever> *must
[10:15] <Tonio_> I simply did that : sudo apt-get install stellarium stellarium-data
[10:15] <Tonio_> then launched it using stellarium
[10:16] <Tonio_> I assume you didn't install stellarium-data or something
[10:16] <whatever> never mind, and thanks for your help! :)
[10:16] <Tonio_> no pb
[10:16] <Tonio_> ;)
[10:18] <brosioz> where is amarok 1.4 ???
[10:18] <brosioz> where i can download it ?
[10:29] <whatever> Tonio_: It works now! I just tried 'aptitude install stellarium ' again and it worked!
[10:33] <Tonio_> lol
[10:44] <[Vampis] > Wich extension do u need to use GPG encryption in Kopete ?
[10:48] <_alex> salve
[10:48] <_alex> c' nessuno???
[10:49] <_alex> it is an italian or english chat???
[10:51] <_alex> is there anybody??
[10:52] <_alex> hi
[10:55] <squid0> hello
[10:57] <_alex> e' una chat italiana??
[10:57] <_alex> it is an italian or english chat??
[10:57] <Evil_H> English
[10:57] <_alex> ok...
[10:57] <_alex> i'm looking for install ubuntu dekstop on an kubuntu installation
[10:58] <_alex> i have activated the unuversarl repository
[10:58] <_alex> now...just type apt-get installa ubuntu-desktop ???
[10:59] <Evil_H> i think so but im not sure
[10:59] <Evil_H> im still new to this so...
[10:59] <Evil_H> !ubuntu
[10:59] <ubotu> it has been said that ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It's Bantu for 'Humanity to others'. see !awards.
[10:59] <_alex> in italian we say...."we are on the same boat"
[10:59] <Evil_H> lol yeah
[11:00] <_alex> ok....i try out...an so....
[11:00] <_alex> boho ?!?! tell mi good luck ;-)
[11:01] <Evil_H> good luck
[11:21] <Kelso_> hello, sorry for english, i've a problem with Adept. I have tried to install program Mutt (email client), but during the installation I stopped this process. and now, when I open Adept -> The APT Database will be opened in read-only mode. http://frk.sk/adept_problem.png
[11:22] <Kelso_> can me anyone help please?
[11:23] <Kelso_> can anyone help me ;] 
[11:23] <_b> maybe it something about user rights for the program
[11:24] <Maspi1> 1 question
[11:24] <Maspi1> can i run windows in the same machine as kubuntu
[11:24] <Kelso_> _b: hm, I'm logged as roor
[11:24] <Kelso_> *root
[11:24] <bimberi> Maspi1: you can dual boot ...
[11:25] <bimberi> !dualboot
[11:25] <ubotu> [dualboot]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[11:25] <Maspi1> ok
[11:25] <Maspi1> thank you
[11:25] <bimberi> Maspi1: yw :)
[11:28] <Kelso_> hm, i can't open Adept... only read-only mod
[11:29] <Kelso_> but I'am as root
[11:31] <paines> hi
[11:33] <paines> everytime i restart kde, the pager forgets it's settings. i have 2 rows, and after restart t shows just one big row. anyone know a fix ?
[12:13] <GameCat> can anyone tell me how to get X set up after changing monitors?
[12:37] <ryanakca> I'm going for the plunge after an upgrade
[12:37] <ryanakca> *fingers crossed*
[12:52] <^jude^> when booting to recovery mode my machine asks for root password - what do I give it (my password doesn't work)
[12:52] <toni> It should work, at least in normal Breezy installation?
[12:52] <^jude^> this is hoary :)
[12:54] <toni> Can't say then :/
[12:54] <^jude^> thnks anyway
[12:54] <aitor> hi
[12:54] <aitor> is the 2.6.15 kernel out for breezy?
[12:54] <Acidic32> is it worth getting the 64bit edition or not?
[12:55] <dipnlik_> hi all. is koffice lighter than OOo? i'm on a slow machine, OOo takes a long time to open...
[12:55] <Acidic32> yes it is
[12:55] <Acidic32> koffice is lighter
[12:56] <dipnlik_> Acidic32: sudo apt-get install koffice and i'll be done, or do you recommend any other packages?
[12:56] <toni> OpenOffice has scored quite poorly against MS Office when it comes to lightnes and speed
[12:57] <toni> Uses quite much more memory and CPU to achieve the same as MS Office
[12:57] <dipnlik_> toni: on windows at least, if you turn Java off and the taskbar icon on, it gets pretty fast
[12:58] <toni> Yes, to me they both perform as good though
[12:58] <beacher> hi to all ;)
[12:59] <Acidic32> koffice is lighter
[12:59] <toni> I'm used to use MS, but OpenOffice offers some good features that I like more
[12:59] <Acidic32> is it worth getting the 64bit edition or not?
[12:59] <beacher> someone knows where is irda.conf on kubuntu 5.10?
[01:00] <beacher> i'm unable to send picture from my cell phone by ir
[01:01] <dipnlik_> i don't really use office, don't like it. but sometimes people send me office files :S
[01:02] <toni> dipnlik_: Do you know whether MS will include ODT (open document?) in their next release?
[01:03] <dipnlik_> toni: no idea. but if this is some kind of universal specification for office files, i'm sure they won't :S
[01:04] <toni> Exactly what you could expect from MS... :/
[01:04] <dipnlik_> yeah yeah
[01:19] <_user> what the monkeys is this?
[01:21] <Acidic32> is it worth getting dapper drake
[01:21] <Acidic32> flight 4 ?
[01:21] <toni> I tried it
[01:22] <toni> And found it too buggy
[01:22] <toni> And lacking packages
[01:22] <Acidic32> k
[01:23] <Acidic32> the dvd is all packages right?
[01:23] <toni> I used CD version, I didn't find DVD
[01:24] <toni> KDevelop for instance isn't available in Dapper packages
[01:24] <Acidic32> kl
[01:27] <Nomad411> Good morning..  I'm looking for an adobe creator equivalent on linux.. I have about 20 PDFs I'd liek to put together into 1 document
[01:27] <Nomad411> !pdf
[01:27] <ubotu> Nomad411: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:27] <Nomad411> !adobe
[01:27] <ubotu> Nomad411: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:29] <Acidic32> mmm
[01:29] <Acidic32> search sourceforge
[01:30] <Nomad411> just found that openoffice might do it.. or kprint?
[01:30] <Acidic32> try ;)
[01:30] <Acidic32> i dont deal with PDF's
[01:30] <Acidic32> i think there crap
[01:30] <dipnlik_> is there an easy way to change file associations from OOo to KOffice?
[01:42] <buz_> is it possible that dapper doesnt have xfs in kernel or initrd`?
[01:43] <buz_> it cant mount my xfs /
[01:55] <stoned> wtf is with my connection
[01:58] <EightiesK> !grub dapper
[01:58] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, EightiesK
[01:59] <EightiesK> !fat
[01:59] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, EightiesK
[02:00] <EightiesK> !fat32
[02:00] <ubotu> Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter to make your windows or mac partitions mount automatically.  If you wish to set it up yourself by hand, read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[02:18] <buz> anyone using Exa around?
[02:19] <robotgeek> buz: exa? what's that?
[02:19] <buz> acceleration for  composite
[02:19] <buz> it SHOULD enable ati radeon <9250 cards to use transparency
[02:19] <buz> but my luck today is very limited
[02:19] <viviersf> guys
[02:19] <viviersf> does tvtime work ?
[02:19] <buz> i had it running on a flight3 LIVE cd but not on my install today
[02:20] <buz> i can get Exa to load but it doesnt seem to accelerate anything, really
[02:23] <buz> somehow everything seems slow since upgrading to dapper
[02:24] <buz> irgendwie ist hier was kaputt
[02:24] <buz> oops wrong channel
[02:25] <viviersf> dapper = alpha
[02:25] <buz> yeah i know
[02:25] <Paradox> how do I get into administrator mode?
[02:25] <buz> but i didnt expect it to behave THAT slowly
[02:26] <buz> i can see text being rendered during scrollling on a 3ghz machine
[02:28] <Paradox> nm
[03:14] <theD3viL> which version of kde is in ubuntu ?
[03:16] <ccc_> i think breezy comes with 3.4.3, however 3.5.1 is in the repos
[03:16] <visik7> 3.4.3
[03:16] <visik7> 3.5.1 with external repo
[03:16] <theD3viL> backports or ..
[03:17] <visik7> or
[03:17] <theD3viL> universe multivere ?
[03:17] <visik7> no external
[03:17] <theD3viL> oh..
[03:17] <theD3viL> i get it
[03:17] <theD3viL> i dont need it :P
[03:17] <visik7> :)
[03:17] <theD3viL> go to server install now..
[03:17] <ccc_> theD3viL: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[03:17] <theD3viL> tnx
[03:18] <theD3viL> bye :)
[03:18] <ccc_> bye :)
[03:18] <theD3viL> ccc_: hm
[03:18] <theD3viL> :)
[03:18] <theD3viL> wait :P
[03:18] <theD3viL> cool
[03:18] <theD3viL> bye :P
[03:21] <cl0ckwork> I've got Kubuntu installed but I'm having some problems ;x
[03:21] <cl0ckwork> Adept either refuses to load or crashes
[03:26] <jind> Does anybody know where to find packages for xorg 6.9/7?
[03:26] <visik7> from dapper
[03:27] <jind> Is it "safe"? I want to have composite for my graphic chip without risking an unstable system
[03:27] <jind> And exa too
[03:27] <visik7> no it's not safe
[03:28] <visik7> btw composite is provided by your driver not from X
[03:28] <visik7> which card do u have ?
[03:28] <jind> Alright. Then I better wait until the next release. Thanks :-)
[03:28] <jind> An integrated i855
[03:28] <visik7> mmm
[03:28] <visik7> and xorg 7 has composite in the driver of your card ?
[03:29] <jind> I believe so. However I'm not sure
[03:29] <jind> I know that dual screen works with the newer xorg
[03:29] <jind> in 6.8.2 that doesn't work at all
[03:36] <majelin> How do i tell how much hdd space is left in kubuntu
[03:36] <mnoir> at the console prompt:  type df
[03:37] <dipnlik_> majelin: df -h is better
[03:37] <jind> And df -Th is even better
[03:37] <dipnlik_> heh
[03:37] <majelin> Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:38] <majelin> Got that after trying to install libstdc++5
[03:38] <majelin> (for the new firefox)
[03:38] <visik7> majelin: u have another program that is installing something
[03:39] <hatake_kakashi> majelin: lsof| grep apt
[03:40] <hatake_kakashi> or..
[03:40] <hatake_kakashi> lsof| grep lock
[03:41] <jetsaredim> where can I get thunderbird 1.5 and firefox 1.5?
[03:42] <hatake_kakashi> !tell jetsaredim about firefox1.5
[03:43] <hatake_kakashi> !thunderbird1.5
[03:43] <ubotu> from memory, thunderbird1.5 is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThunderbirdNewVersion
[03:43] <hatake_kakashi> there you go jetsaredim all the things you need :)
[03:43] <jetsaredim> graci
[03:44] <jetsaredim> I looked at that firefox page before
[03:44] <jetsaredim> there's no package for it?
[03:44] <hatake_kakashi> hmm
[03:44] <majelin> hatake: those commands showed me some fancy text, how do i figure out what is "installing something"
[03:45] <hatake_kakashi> majelin: ok, put it more simply, copy and paste that log onto pastebin's website or my pm
[03:45] <majelin> oh
[03:46] <majelin> gotcha, i'm completely new to this game, thanks for the help
[03:46] <hatake_kakashi> jetsaredim: which part did you get stuck at?
[03:46] <hatake_kakashi> majelin: np
[03:47] <majelin> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/565030
[03:47] <andreas_1> hi, any of you guys know any programs to screen-capture into video?
[03:47] <andreas_1> possibly with support for recording sound
[03:47] <hatake_kakashi> majelin: btw, lsof is one of the most nicest tools you can get, it lists open files as well as open ports, it may mean junk at first, but once you get used to it, it can form quite a powerful ally along with many many other tools
[03:48] <majelin> ah cool
[03:48] <jetsaredim> I find it hard to believe that no one has put packages of thunderbird 1.5 up in multiverse
[03:49] <hatake_kakashi> majelin: ok, my bad.. try this.. sudo lsof| grep apt
[03:49] <hatake_kakashi> I thought lock might have helped, but it doesn't seem to be
[03:49] <hatake_kakashi> jetsaredim: probably it was rejected/waiting for approval, etc..
[03:50] <jetsaredim> hatake_kakashi: yea I suppose
[03:50] <majelin> hatake: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/565033
[03:50] <jetsaredim> does anyone here have experience with nis?
[03:50] <hatake_kakashi> jetsaredim: maybe on the ubuntuforum, there maybe more information
[03:52] <hatake_kakashi> majelin: I assume from that output you had many failures trying to get that file or you have it running on other terminals/screens etc?
[03:53] <hatake_kakashi> because the list shows that you have apt-get running somewhere
[03:53] <majelin> nah that what i got straight up from typing that command you supplied
[03:53] <majelin> hmm
[03:53] <hatake_kakashi> majelin: so you made sure that you are not running any apt-get at all?
[03:53] <majelin> I'm a complete linux newbie, but I ran a ton of apt-get's earlier
[03:53] <majelin> but all i have running right now is one terminal
[03:53] <majelin> xmms, and this
[03:53] <hatake_kakashi> ok, try this.. sudo killall apt-get
[03:54] <hatake_kakashi> that will kill all the processes with 'apt-get' labelled
[03:54] <majelin> aight seemed to have worked
[03:54] <majelin> now go ahead with the acquisition of the file?
[03:54] <hatake_kakashi> once that has done, it will return you to the shell, and try to do that same command as you did before, install lib thing
[03:54] <hatake_kakashi> yeah
[03:55] <majelin> Yeah works
[03:55] <majelin> Weird, how did i have some random ghost apt-get running?
[03:55] <hatake_kakashi> ok, yeah I assume apt-get got hanged somewhere
[03:55] <hatake_kakashi> wait.. I'll check that output again.. something seems odd
[03:55] <majelin> I checked enable on all repositories that had "universal" in it like the wiki suggested
[03:55] <majelin> but on some packages it claimed they didn't exist
[03:56] <majelin> that might have been it
[03:56] <hatake_kakashi> apt-get   9078       root    0u      CHR      136,4                   6 /dev/pts/4 (deleted) <-- that along with a few other lines may indicate why a failed application is still somewhat running in the background
[03:56] <jpatrick> !seen Hobbsee
[03:56] <ubotu> hobbsee <n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #kubuntu-offtopic, 2h 57m 17s ago, saying: 'ah fun'.
[03:57] <jpatrick> right
[03:57] <hatake_kakashi> jpatrick: Hobbsee most likely have gone off to sleep
[03:58] <jpatrick> hatake_kakashi: I know that
[03:58] <hatake_kakashi> :)
[03:58] <jpatrick> hey ro
[03:58] <jpatrick> robotgeek: hi
[03:58] <robotgeek> hey jpatrick
[03:58] <jpatrick> ready for CC?
[03:59] <robotgeek> jpatrick: yeah, 4 more hours :)
[03:59] <jpatrick> which was why I was looking for Hobbsee too
[03:59] <majelin> hatake: another silly question,  how do i navigate to /opt/ (where i installed firefox) so i can figure out how to make a shortcut on the desktop
[03:59] <robotgeek> jpatrick: i spoke with her yesterday night, yes
[04:00] <jpatrick> :)
[04:00] <hatake_kakashi> majelin: on the terminal? cd
[04:00] <robotgeek> jpatrick: it's at 7:00 am for her, i guess
[04:01] <jpatrick> I guess she'll be here
[04:01] <robotgeek> 5 hours away :)
[04:01] <majelin> Well wouldn't I have to use sudo cd or something along those lines, considering being able to view the folders w/o root privelages would be very insecure?
[04:01] <hatake_kakashi> majelin: actually you don't need to use sudo cd
[04:01] <robotgeek> hatake_kakashi: you can :)
[04:01] <jpatrick> 'date -u' is your friend :)
[04:01] <robotgeek> you cant, i mean
[04:01] <hatake_kakashi> because the way it works is that certain files have specific attributes
[04:02] <hatake_kakashi> robotgeek: more or less I don't see there is any point in using sudo to cd :)
[04:02] <majelin> So why in the world is the opt/ folder hidden
[04:02] <robotgeek> hatake_kakashi: try "sudo cd" , you can't :)
[04:02] <hatake_kakashi> majelin: it shouldn't be.. hmm *checks*
[04:02] <majelin> when i did a manual "ls" it didn't show it, but when i cd'd to it, it worked
[04:03] <hatake_kakashi> robotgeek: ahh ok
[04:03] <hatake_kakashi> majelin: well.. there is nothing in /opt for mine, odd heh
[04:03] <mnoir> there aint anything in mine so ls shows nothing - try ls -a and you will see only the current and parent
[04:03] <hatake_kakashi> err, I know why :)
[04:04] <hatake_kakashi> its most likely the default installation for most apps that are not by ubuntu, etc
[04:06] <hatake_kakashi> grr.. fsck :?
[04:06] <hatake_kakashi> :/
[04:08] <hatake_kakashi> anyone have a copy of that tar gzipped file from that firefox1.5 part of wiki?
[04:09] <hatake_kakashi> http://kidsquid.com/programs/ubuntu/firefox-1.5.0-0nonfree1_i386.tar.gz <--- its broken, no longer available, etc
[04:09] <hatake_kakashi> robotgeek: you there? do you happen to have a copy of that lying around somewhere? :)
[04:10] <robotgeek> hatake_kakashi: you mean ffox1.5 from mozilla.com?
[04:11] <hatake_kakashi> robotgeek: not exactly, on the ubuntu wiki page, there is a link to that tar.gz file.. That link is broken, i.e. the file no longer exist there
[04:12] <robotgeek> hatake_kakashi: hmm, okay
[04:14] <majelin> lol nothing in this os is straightforward
[04:14] <robotgeek> hatake_kakashi: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.5.0.1/linux-i686/en-US/
[04:15] <hatake_kakashi> robotgeek: hmm, thanks, I was assuming under the impression that because the site that hosts that file may have some hack/etc enabled
[04:16] <hatake_kakashi> majelin: anything but conventional :) its all about daring to be different, and for the good of it ;)
[04:16] <majelin> haha
[04:16] <majelin> Now lets see if I can get enlightenment to break KDE :D
[04:17] <hatake_kakashi> majelin: its somewhat fun too :) I'm living in a shared accomodation with 'sharemates' I'm the only one running linux and slowly trying to change other 'winusers' to change :)
[04:17] <jpatrick> !sources
[04:17] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[04:17] <majelin> hatake: coo, I'm a CSE major and I've never used linux, some bare min unix, but I figure it is for the betterment of me ;x
[04:18] <hatake_kakashi> majelin: CSE?
[04:18] <hatake_kakashi> Computer Science Engineer?
[04:18] <hatake_kakashi> or something?
[04:18] <majelin> Computer Science/Engineering
[04:18] <majelin> yeah
[04:18] <hatake_kakashi> ahh
[04:18] <hatake_kakashi> cool
[04:19] <hatake_kakashi> I was an avid windows power user but that broke loose once and I set myself upon new grounds, and now I'm happy with linux after having to go through some rough rides
[04:20] <majelin> Yeah I can already tell if I spend enough time I'll get to love this little bastard
[04:20] <majelin> just the initial learning curve ;x
[04:20] <hatake_kakashi> majelin: ahh yes, I know how that does feel :)
[04:20] <majelin> I was smart though, I set this  OS to autoboot over XP, so that way I'll feel a bit more forced to use this
[04:20] <majelin> haha
[04:20] <hatake_kakashi> my initial linux distro wasn't ubuntu but I really did learn fast after going through several mistakes
[04:21] <hatake_kakashi> lol
[04:21] <hatake_kakashi> my box here is running linux only, when I get another new machine, that too will only run linux, and my older box which will then be this one will be running windows only :)
[04:22] <theD3viL> hey
[04:22] <jpatrick> hatake_kakashi: same here
[04:22] <hatake_kakashi> jpatrick: nice to hear that I'm not the only one :D
[04:22] <theD3viL> why i dont have kcontrol in the Kmenu? and which program is like synaptic in gnome?
[04:22] <hatake_kakashi> theD3viL: adept
[04:22] <hatake_kakashi> theD3viL: you can add kcontrol manually you know
[04:23] <theD3viL> how? I dont have menu editor...i have install server.
[04:23] <theD3viL> base system
[04:23] <theD3viL> and kdebase
[04:23] <hatake_kakashi> theD3viL: hmm, I'm not sure, but right click on the K button and there might be menu-editor
[04:23] <theD3viL> whoops :$ .. didnt know..tnx
[04:24] <hatake_kakashi> theD3viL: np, we all had to start somewhere :)
[04:25] <majelin> hatake: Is Kubuntu hXc enough for me to update packages and install enlightenment at the same time or should I treat this like a windows box (ie do one thing at a time or I'll crash the thing)
[04:25] <majelin> haha
[04:26] <hatake_kakashi> majelin: technically you can, but because the way its designed, you can't.. when you update packages, it sets a lock file for the place, etc..
[04:27] <hatake_kakashi> you can update and get install enlightment in a way that it goes one after the otehr
[04:27] <theD3viL> hatake_kakashi, :)...i was using gnome now for a while
[04:27] <majelin> Aka the creators were smart enough to know that people like myself existed :D
[04:27] <theD3viL> :<
[04:27] <majelin> good to know
[04:27] <hatake_kakashi> theD3viL: nothing wrong with Gnome :) I'm still on Gnome, but I also have KDE installed :)
[04:27] <hatake_kakashi> majelin: heh
[04:28] <majelin> ugh, SPARC architecture
[04:28] <majelin> interesting, but not really
[04:28] <hatake_kakashi> eh? you're on one? o.O
[04:28] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[04:28] <majelin> Nah, SPARC ASM class in a few hours
[04:28] <hatake_kakashi> though their sparc T processor sounds intersting
[04:29] <hatake_kakashi> s/intersting/interesting
[04:29] <hatake_kakashi> .. or as the way they said on the white paper :)
[04:29] <majelin> haha
[04:30] <majelin> I'm pretty sure they had spellcheck on lock ;x
[04:30] <hatake_kakashi> LOL
[04:30] <majelin> ;)
[04:30] <hatake_kakashi> or capslock ;D
[04:32] <ita> hi all .. i upgraded to firefox 1.5.0.1 as described on some howto from the (k)ubuntu page ... it runs pretty ok for me .. but i had like 5 crashes today .. firefox just freezes .. i have to kill app .. is that a known phenomena or am i simply the lucky one ?!
[04:32] <ice> what is mozilla-thunderbird command name
[04:33] <ice> trying to link it to something and I can't find it
[04:33] <hatake_kakashi> link it to what? the link command is ln
[04:33] <hatake_kakashi> and you may want to check on the ubuntuforums too, it seems like there are few others that are getting more or less the same problem
[04:34] <ice> when running from a terminal whats the command to call it
[04:34] <ice> sudo what ?
[04:34] <ice> its not mozilla-thunderbird
[04:34] <lint> to run?
[04:34] <ice> yes
[04:34] <lint> From what I've read its mozilla-thunderbird
[04:34] <lint> and then firefox for firefox
[04:34] <ice> hmm
[04:35] <ita> hatake_kakashi: if you were talking to me .. thanks! i will check that .. i do nothing special .. the old version was rock solid to my usage .. i do what i always do ..
[04:35] <ice> ahh you don't need sudo
[04:35] <ice> thats why
[04:35] <ice> ok thx
[04:36] <hatake_kakashi> ita: ahh ok :) I didn't look closely lol :x my bad I thought ice asked those two questions :D
[04:36] <hatake_kakashi> err three :)
[04:36] <ita> .>
[04:37] <poningru> ice: dont run thunderbird or firefox under sudo
[04:37] <hatake_kakashi> ita: but yeah I was checking the link referred by ubotu and I found that site has a link to the forum, if you browse for a few sections, you will see what I mean
[04:37] <hatake_kakashi> adding to what poningru said, that's like surfing on the web as root, which the old saying is against it
[04:40] <Acidic32> how do i install libdvdcss ?
[04:40] <Acidic32> !dvd
[04:40] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[04:40] <Acidic32> nm
[04:42] <lint> Its always satisfying answering your own question :D
[04:42] <Acidic32> bleh
[04:42] <Acidic32> think adept has crashed
[04:44] <samoura> hello
[04:45] <ice> what is the dapper multiverse and universe repositories
[04:45] <samoura> hello i just got this linux kubuntu and i want to know do i get to internet?
[04:45] <ice> looking for expresso ?
[04:45] <ice> you want on the net
[04:45] <lint> samoura: Go ahead and open up Konqeuror
[04:45] <lint> and type in like www.google.com
[04:46] <samoura> okei thanks :)
[04:46] <lint> np
[04:46] <ice> lint you got dapper
[04:46] <lint> Yeah
[04:47] <ice> can I see your sources.list
[04:47] <lint> You trying to get all the repositories working so you can get other packages?
[04:47] <ice> can't seem to get alot of the packages
[04:47] <lint> ah
[04:47] <ice> yes
[04:47] <ice> missing alot
[04:47] <lint> well i'm such a noob I don't even know what a sources.list is but i can tell you what i did
[04:47] <ice> k
[04:47] <lint> opened up adept, clicked on Adept-> Manage
[04:47] <samoura> do you guys know what is the best virus protaction for linux?
[04:48] <lint> then there are like 3 columns in the new window
[04:48] <ice> k
[04:48] <lint> in the last one it will say like "universal" or etc etc
[04:48] <samoura> do you guys know what is the best virus protaction for linux?
[04:48] <lint> on any that say "universal" right click, enable, then hit apply
[04:48] <lint> then after you've done all of them, click on Fetch
[04:49] <lint> The circle guy on the bottom right might be red too, click on him to update repos's
[04:49] <ice> hmm adept you said
[04:49] <jpatrick> http://rivironline.com/ubuntu-6.10.png <- ha
[04:49] <lint> unrecognized auth response from cvs.sourceforge.net: M -!- Client or Server timeout occurred!
[04:49] <samoura> i just got this linux and i wanda if i can download torrents?
[04:49] <lint> interesting..
[04:50] <samoura> i just got this linux and i wanda if i can download torrents?
[04:50] <lint> samoura: sure
[04:51] <lint> Anyone know why on a E17 install I'd get such a msg (i typed above)
[04:53] <ita> there goes my free time :(/
[04:53] <ita> we are having server upgrades now - cya tomorrow
[04:53] <ita> ciao
[04:53] <lint> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/565120
[04:54] <samoura> can i download from does it work->www.utorrent.com ?
[04:54] <lint> uTorrent is for windows boxes only
[04:54] <samoura> do you know about linux
[04:55] <samoura> what torrent version do i use :( ?
[04:55] <lint> I believe bittorrent client is already a package
[04:55] <lint> !torrent
[04:55] <ubotu> lint: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:55] <jpatrick> ktorrent's good
[04:56] <lint> This is the longest install I've ever seen
[04:56] <lint> Pure impressive status
[04:57] <Acidic32> !kde3.5
[04:57] <ubotu> (you might want !kde3.5.1) To upgrade to KDE3.5, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[04:59] <samoura> okei dudes can sill play what movie i want rip movies dvix and more?
[04:59] <lint> Yes
[05:00] <lint> dvd::rip will rip dvds
[05:00] <samoura> nice:P
[05:00] <samoura> okei i need a virus protection ;( does someone know about some good virus protection?
[05:01] <jpatrick> virus protection?
[05:02] <samoura> yess or do don need virus protaction?
[05:02] <samoura> yess or do dont need virus protaction?
[05:02] <samoura> do i don need *
[05:03] <jpatrick> I've never needed it
[05:03] <samoura> why?
[05:03] <lint> I believe if you so desperately desire one ClamAV is good
[05:03] <jpatrick> there are none/hardly any
[05:03] <samoura> no spyrware and adware??
[05:03] <jpatrick> None
[05:04] <samoura> so can people hack on my computer?
[05:04] <lint> They can hack on it, hack into it is another question :D
[05:04] <jpatrick> lint: ooh, nice
[05:05] <samoura> :D just new man go easy
[05:05] <jpatrick> samoura: they can crack it
[05:05] <samoura> fuck :S no protaction ?
[05:05] <jpatrick> I've never had to use any
[05:06] <jpatrick> no ports are opened by default
[05:06] <samoura> nice
[05:06] <samoura>  i love it
[05:06] <samoura> okei where is in my computer is torrent files?
[05:17] <SenorY> hi there!
[05:17] <_samoura_> hello please where is in my computer is torrent like a azoureus? need to know i am new ;S
[05:17] <robotgeek> !azureus
[05:17] <ubotu> well, azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[05:17] <_samoura_> can i use it?
[05:18] <_samoura_> does it work on linux?
[05:18] <robotgeek> _samoura_: definetly, look at the instructions
[05:23] <quim> hola!
[05:23] <edulix> wolas
[05:24] <jpatrick> #kubuntu-es senors :-)
[05:25] <samoura> just 1 ask and than i finished :D so can i not update my Ge force fx card with my window cd?
[05:26] <samoura> ;( please how do i update my card when i move the mouse it so slow :(
[05:28] <sniff> hey any of those windows-huggin' hippies in 'ere??
[05:28] <samoura> ;( please how do i update my card when i move the mouse it so slow :(
[05:28] <sniff> no?
[05:28] <sniff> good :)
[05:29] <samoura> i can insert the ge foce fx 7800 but the cd don run :S
[05:29] <Chousuke> samoura: you can't update your graphics drivers with the windows CD :p
[05:29] <samoura> how?
[05:30] <Chousuke> samoura: you need to install the nvidia drivers.
[05:30] <sniff> you CAN'T
[05:30] <Chousuke> samoura: there are instructions in the wiki
[05:30] <Chousuke> samoura: nvidia LINUX drivers, to be specific :P
[05:30] <sniff> !geforce
[05:30] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, sniff
[05:30] <Chousuke> !nvidia
[05:30] <ubotu> somebody said nvidia was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[05:30] <sniff> !nvidia
[05:30] <samoura> samoura: you need to install the nvidia drivers. yess i can install it the cd doesn run
[05:31] <Chousuke> samoura: the CD probably contains the windows drivers.
[05:31] <Chousuke> samoura: They are useless to you, since you're running Linux.
[05:32] <sniff> they're probably useless and outdated in windows too
[05:32] <Chousuke> might be
[05:32] <samoura> okei thanks i am updating :P
[05:33] <sniff> how does one check if one even has 3d acc enabled?
[05:33] <samoura> but hey can i play games?                 okei let me guss (NO!! you can this is a linux version not window)
[05:34] <tristan> hello
[05:34] <sniff> samoura: you can play games, but they're gonna have to be different games
[05:34] <sniff> he
[05:34] <sniff> hey
[05:34] <samoura> like?
[05:34] <tristan> How can I lower the size of the fonts and the size of the icons in my KDE menu?
[05:34] <sniff> samoura: dunno, never tried
[05:34] <samoura> okei
[05:35] <sniff> but if you wanna play ,medal of honour allied assault then linux ain't the best bet
[05:35] <mindspin> tristan: sudo kcontrol
[05:35] <mindspin> appearance->fonts
[05:35] <jpatrick> mindspin: kdesu....
[05:35] <mindspin> sorry
[05:36] <tristan> and after?
[05:37] <mindspin> apperance->fonts
[05:39] <nrg88> hi, i can't play mp3-s in amarok (dapper flight 4), but i have installed amarok-xine
[05:40] <tristan> ok, and to reduce the size of the icons in KDE menu. I think that my KDE menu is too large for my screen so I want it to be samller so I think I have to reduce both fonts and icons of the KDE menu and after, maybe the KDE menu will get smaller
[05:40] <nrg88> and some libakode2-mpeg
[05:40] <hardman> Arcsine/psysine are you here?
[05:41] <nrg88> but when i try to play an mp3, it jumps it
[05:42] <tristan> So, anyone to reduce the size of the KDE menu?
[05:45] <nrg88> !mp3
[05:45] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.13 Stopped
[05:45] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:52] <nrg88> how can i change the permissions to partitions?
[05:52] <nrg88> in System Settings it doesn't work
[05:52] <nrg88> neither in Kcontrol
[05:52] <nrg88> i'm using dapper flight 4
[05:54] <nalioth> nrg88: be careful how you go about that. why do you want to change partition perms?
[05:55] <nrg88> yep
[05:55] <nrg88> to have write perm on a partition
[05:56] <nrg88> by default i don't have permissions for that
[05:56] <sniff> just do it in fstab don't you?
[05:56] <sniff> sudo kwrite /etc/fstab
[05:57] <robotgeek> !kdesu
[05:57] <ubotu> I heard kdesu is :Use kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you  have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.   If it is not working, you may need to run "sudo adept-updater "
[05:57] <sniff> is that so?
[05:58] <Broxtor> I recently installed breezy and I'm expierencing lockups. Ever once and a while the system just freezes. Is this a known problem that can easily be fixed?
[05:58] <nrg88> cool, thanks sniff, i do need to modify this, because i have 9 cdroms and 8 floppy drives in dapper :D
[05:58] <Broxtor> I also installed it on a similar computer and there it works perfectly.
[05:58] <sniff> in that case how should one go about editing a file such as fstab?
[05:59] <sniff> nrg88: christ man, you must be mr copy man
[05:59] <robotgeek> sniff: kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[05:59] <sniff> aha
[05:59] <sniff> cheers
[05:59] <sniff> nrg88: apparantly you should do what robotgeek just said
[05:59] <nalioth> yes in the fstab
[05:59] <nrg88> and use kdesu?
[06:00] <nalioth> Broxtor: there are so many variables that could cause that
[06:00] <sniff> yeah
[06:00] <sniff> mind you  i always did sudo kwrite with no probs
[06:00] <Broxtor> nalioth: I was afraid somebody would say that....
[06:00] <nrg88> i have just installed dapper, hope that april will be here soon with the stable release :D
[06:00] <nrg88> but i've already found a bug in adept
[06:01] <sniff> nrg88: what is it?
[06:01] <nrg88> when i install something, after the instalation, it exits
[06:01] <sniff> ahh
[06:01] <sniff> this happens on mine in breezy too
[06:01] <sniff> it crashes
[06:02] <nalioth> Broxtor: restart your box, and run the memtest for 24 hours
[06:03] <nalioth> Broxtor: if that passes, then it may be a failing powersupply, or other
[06:03] <mindspin> !dapper
[06:03] <ubotu> I guess dapper is the pre-release name for the next version of Ubuntu, the release will be called 6.04. It is due 20th April. It is software in development and as such may break.  join #ubuntu+1 to talk about it
[06:27] <tbone> hi all
[06:28] <tilo> 'ello
[06:29] <jarlath> hi tbone
[06:29] <honesty> Does anyone use FrostWire
[06:29] <noteventime> Whats that?
[06:30] <honesty> Its LimeWire
[06:31] <noteventime> ok
[06:31] <nalioth> it's limewire without the professional payment
[06:33] <honesty> Well it supposed to be LimWire Pro. Just without the gimmick TurboCharged speed rate thing
[06:50] <Rebic> is anyone here?
[06:52] <sniff> i'm a n00b
[06:53] <sniff> is it something really simple?
[06:53] <Rebic> probably not
[06:53] <Rebic> trying to update stuff using apt-get and i get some error messages that seem to basically say that it can't find gcc ( http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/565303 )
[06:54] <sniff> i'll lok
[06:55] <sniff> so
[06:55] <sniff> what if u install gcc?
[06:55] <Rebic> it is installed
[06:55] <Rebic> gcc 4.0.2 i think
[06:55] <sniff> 3.4?
[06:56] <Rebic> nope
[06:56] <sniff> it wants 3.4.5
[06:56] <Rebic> i can see
[06:56] <sniff> so try it
[06:56] <Rebic> how ?
[06:56] <sniff> sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4
[06:56] <sniff> if that doesn't work install your kernel headers too
[06:56] <Rebic> couldn't find package
[06:56] <Rebic> how do i do that?
[06:57] <nexus> hey, i have a Linksys WCP11 and im trying to use it with linux-wlan-ng (downloaded from the ubuntu packes website)  my card doesnt show up in iwconfig and i have been looking on google etc plus ubuntu forums for the past couple of hours, and to no avail, what has gone wrong? can someone please help me
[06:58] <Rebic> sniff, how do i install the kernel headers?
[06:58] <sniff> erm
[06:58] <sniff> i have the command you need written down but i can#t find my notebook
[06:58] <sniff> hang on
[06:58] <Rebic> ok
[06:59] <sniff> shit
[06:59] <sniff> where is it!?
[06:59] <robotgeek> Rebic, sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:59] <Rebic> k
[07:00] <sniff> ah that's the one
[07:00] <sniff> what about the gcc robotgeek ?
[07:00] <sniff> ah
[07:00] <robotgeek> sniff: sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4 ?
[07:00] <sniff> build-essential
[07:01] <sniff> robotgeek: i told Rebic  this but he said package not found
[07:01] <Rebic> build-essential is already the newest version.
[07:01] <Rebic> linux-headers-2.6.12-9-386 is already the newest version.
[07:01] <Rebic> seems ot already be there
[07:01] <sniff> install gcc-3.4
[07:01] <Rebic> yeh
[07:01] <robotgeek> Rebic: yes, you will need gcc-3.4
[07:01] <Rebic> is the only way to do it from source then?
[07:02] <robotgeek> Rebic: what are you trying to do, again?
[07:02] <Rebic> sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:02] <Rebic> but it gives errors when trying to upgrade driverloader
[07:03] <robotgeek> Rebic: i am sorry, i duno anything about driverloader
[07:04] <Rebic> it basically gives bugs saying that it can't find gcc 3.4.5
[07:05] <_george> hallo
[07:06] <_george> ik ben behoorlijk nieuw in de kubuntu wereld, maar ik heb een vraag
[07:07] <douglas> Everytime I rip a movie the audio is way off, is there any ripper that get's it right or do I always have to go back and adjust the audio?
[07:13] <nadia007> good mornin!
[07:13] <robotgeek> hey nadia007
[07:13] <nadia007> wondering if anyone else has successfully gotten their wireless PC card to work with kubuntu?
[07:13] <nadia007> hi robotgeet!
[07:14] <robotgeek> nadia007: heh, robot<press tab key>
[07:14] <nadia007> sry... robotgeek!
[07:14] <nadia007> major typeo!
[07:14] <robotgeek> nadia007: have you taken a look at this page ?
[07:14] <robotgeek> nadia007, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[07:15] <nadia007> I have a linksys WPC54GS, I've followed instructions on installing ndiswrapper, I've downloaded the drivers and got them installed successfully.
[07:15] <nadia007> but wireless still noworkey!
[07:16] <robotgeek> nadia007, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[07:16] <robotgeek> nadia007: i'll guide you thru, if you don't follow
[07:17] <nadia007> I did see this page... and did run through instructions...  I went to the SetupNdiswrapperHowto link.
[07:18] <robotgeek> nadia007: sudo ndiswrapper -l
[07:18] <nadia007> my prob is when I try to enable connection in the network settings under system settings, it immediately diables it again.
[07:18] <nadia007> it shows lsbcmnds driver present, hardware present
[07:19] <robotgeek> nadia007: hmm, can you not use the gui, and control it from the command line?
[07:19] <nadia007> not sure what you mean?
[07:20] <robotgeek> nadia007: let us try to get it working in cli, and worry later about gui tools?
[07:20] <nadia007> sure... I'm game!
[07:20] <nadia007> I'm on xp box since network card no workey on kubuntu... so bear with me if I have to retype things!
[07:21] <robotgeek> nadia007: basically, all i will tell you will be at WifiHowto, /wifi
[07:21] <robotgeek> test, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[07:21] <nadia007> kay... I'm there already
[07:22] <nadia007> certainly two heads are better than one!
[07:22] <robotgeek> nadia007: basically follow that, and let me knwo if you run into problems?
[07:22] <robotgeek> nadia007: ignore the gui parts :)
[07:23] <nadia007> I've installed kubuntu on a dell inspiron 8200, I have an 802.11b card installed already along with ethernet and modem...
[07:23] <nadia007> I will ignore gui!
[07:25] <robotgeek> nadia007: maybe this might help too, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[07:26] <nadia007> thx... seems like I've got some readin to do!
[07:26] <robotgeek> nadia007: hopefully, in dapper, these cards will be a snap to get working
[07:27] <nadia007> dapper?
[07:27] <robotgeek> !dapper
[07:27] <ubotu> dapper is, like, the pre-release name for the next version of Ubuntu, the release will be called 6.04. It is due 20th April. It is software in development and as such may break.  join #ubuntu+1 to talk about it
[07:27] <nadia007> sweet!
[07:27] <nadia007> that would be nice!
[07:28] <robotgeek> nadia007: yeah, it works pretty well :)
[07:28] <nadia007> you have it installed?
[07:29] <nalioth> nadia007: it is not for production systems at this time
[07:30] <nadia007> ah..  I've been tinkering with linux... and wanted to play with kubuntu...  so installed on second partition on laptop!
[07:31] <nexus> im having problems with my linksys card under kubuntu, ive installed linux-wlan-ng and host-ap from the ubuntu packages website and it still wont find my card under iwconfig or ifconfig
[07:32] <nadia007> nexus, working on same prob...
[07:32] <nexus> the card is a linksys WCP11, if thats any help,
[07:32] <nexus> what model do you have nadia007
[07:32] <nadia007> nexus, I have diff card, WPC54GS
[07:32] <robotgeek> nexus: i need to know the chipset, "lspci -v"
[07:33] <frojnd> I have one question
[07:33] <frojnd> so far... :>
[07:33] <frojnd> how do I install LAN on my 5.10 kubuntu ?
[07:33] <nadia007> frojnd, that's how it all starts...  ;)
[07:33] <frojnd> :) I know..
[07:33] <nadia007> frojnd, what do you mean "install LAN"?
[07:33] <frojnd> network
[07:33] <frojnd> i mean..
[07:34] <frojnd> "install"
[07:34] <frojnd> to configure it...
[07:34] <nadia007> frojnd, how can you get your kubuntu onto the network?
[07:34] <frojnd> I wannt to shere a few things
[07:34] <robotgeek> frojnd: hmm, it should work automatically. however, try "sudo ifup eth0"
[07:34] <frojnd> as a root?
[07:34] <nexus> i cant see it in lspci -v, also if its any help i only have one pcmcia slot on my laptop and i had a realtek 8180 and i tryed installing that and it failed misribly, some of the files were corruptt
[07:35] <nexus> would that stop the linksys card being shown if it thought it was the realtek one, because under lspci -v the realtek one is listed
[07:35] <frojnd> ifup: interface eth0 already configured
[07:35] <frojnd> that means that network works..
[07:35] <robotgeek> frojnd: sudo dhclient eth0, then
[07:36] <robotgeek> nexus:                some of the files were corruptt
[07:36] <robotgeek> what do you mean?
[07:38] <phasegen> Can anyone help with a system clock issue?
[07:38] <cyblivious> someone knows how to fix gam_server?
[07:38] <cyblivious> it seems to always popup after mounting my ntfs partition
[07:38] <cyblivious> making my system jerky
[07:45] <cyblivious> how do i run apps at startup?
[07:46] <nexus> well when it tryed to init. em it said invalid charicter or symbol in file,
[07:47] <nexus> also after that didnt work with the realtek 8180 i used it with ndiswrapper for a while
[07:47] <nexus> btw when using ndiswrapper it called the card wlan0
[07:47] <nadia007> I'm using ndiswrapper... and that's what my card is called wlan0
[07:51] <nexus> thing is i want to use it with aireplay, i did some research on the cardd and as far as i could find out it had an inteli prism2 chipset
[07:51] <nexus> which aparantly supports raw-packet injection
[07:52] <nexus> this is the 3rd card ive tryed to make work with aireplay,
[07:52] <nexus> the first, the intel one build into my laptop (which sux) the realtek one, which would only work using ndiswrapper (which wont monitor, let alone inject packets) and now this one
[07:54] <nexus> and its proving to be a real pain in the a**
[07:55] <nexus> host ap and wlan-ng both installed fine using the .deb files on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ i just cant get it to find my card, and i dont know if you have to use any commands to install the card, how to install the card, and how to make it show up when you type iwconfig or ifconfig
[08:01] <nexus> i cant see what else i need to do, when booting kubuntu, it used to hang for 30 seconds when "waiting for network interfaces to come up" but if i plug the card in and boot, it doesnt hang, it does it instantly
[08:02] <nexus> plus how would i go about untinstalling the realtek drivers i have in there
[08:03] <nadia007> how did you get realtek drivers in the first place?
[08:03] <nadia007> ndiswrapper?
[08:04] <Nomad411> !quanta
[08:04] <ubotu> it has been said that quanta is at http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/ Quanta Plus is a highly stable and feature-rich KDE-based web development environment.
[08:04] <nexus> if you goto the wildpackets website you can download the windows drivers, and you install ndiswrapper and tell it where the windows drivers are and it uses those
[08:05] <nadia007> so you installed realtek drivers using ndiswrapper?
[08:07] <nexus> yeah, just to get it to work and to get it to see the card, but before i tryed that i installed some .so files for the realtek card,
[08:07] <nexus> 2 of which were corrupt
[08:07] <Nomad411> does anyone use Quanta?  I don't have the help docs installed it seems, but adept says I have everything
[08:08] <nexus> how would i go about uninstalling them?
[08:08] <robotgeek> nadia007: try "sudo dhclient wlan0"
[08:09] <nadia007> ndiswrapper -l to find out which driver you want to remove
[08:10] <nadia007> then ndiswrapper -e <drivername> to remove driver
[08:10] <NRG88> hi, how can i simply extract files from a deb file?
[08:10] <nadia007> robotgeek, No DHCPOFFERS received.
[08:10] <frojnd> damn
[08:10] <frojnd> robotgeek
[08:10] <frojnd> wtf was that before..
[08:10] <robotgeek> NRG88: ar -x file.deb
[08:10] <frojnd> I disconnected...
[08:10] <frojnd> net doesn't work..
[08:10] <baldor> hey guys
[08:10] <frojnd> I was forced to use XP :(
[08:11] <robotgeek> frojnd: sudo dhclient eth0
[08:11] <frojnd> jy..
[08:11] <nexus> device doesnt exist :s
[08:11] <frojnd> i wrote taht
[08:11] <frojnd> that
[08:11] <frojnd> and than something was counting
[08:11] <frojnd> DHCP or smth..
[08:11] <nexus> ive allready removed the driver from ndiswrapper
[08:11] <frojnd> and that at the last line.. at the bottom... "sleeping"
[08:11] <frojnd> smth. like that
[08:12] <robotgeek> nadia007: hmm, weird. "sudo ifconfig eth0 down && sudo dhclient wlan0"
[08:12] <Nomad411> !wiki
[08:12] <robotgeek> frojnd: weird, is the ethernet cable connected?
[08:12] <frojnd> and when i went to ping on my brothers comp... my comp wasnt on the network
[08:12] <NRG88> robotgeek, tried it, but it doesn't do anything with tar -x file.deb
[08:12] <frojnd> yes it is..
[08:12] <frojnd> now i am on the XP and is connected..
[08:12] <robotgeek> NRG88: ar -x, not tar
[08:12] <NRG88> ar?
[08:12] <NRG88> don't have any ar
[08:13] <NRG88> apt-get?
[08:13] <NRG88> install?
[08:13] <baldor> I have a buggered HDD that Ive plugged into a PC with the intention of booting into UBCD in order to carry out some fixes on it. However it wont boot and imply hangs telling me there is a SDRAM at DIMM #1
[08:13] <baldor> any ideas?
[08:13] <robotgeek> NRG88: you should have it, one sec
[08:13] <baldor> when I unplug the drive the UBCD boots fine
[08:14] <robotgeek> NRG88: it's a part of the binutils package
[08:15] <NRG88> ok, thanks
[08:16] <frojnd> robotgeek
[08:16] <frojnd> what should I do..
[08:16] <frojnd> i can't connect on the internet
[08:16] <frojnd> when i wrote sudo dhclient eth0
[08:16] <robotgeek> frojnd: i am not sure what the problem is, it's the first time i am hearing something like that
[08:16] <frojnd> after I wrote
[08:16] <frojnd> :\
[08:16] <robotgeek> frojnd: it should connect automatically at boot
[08:17] <frojnd> aha
[08:19] <jetsaredim> how/where do I change the system-wide timezone
[08:19] <robotgeek> jetsaredim: tzconfig
[08:20] <baldor> does anyone know if I can get partimage for KUbuntu?
[08:20] <jfro> is there a way to install gnome on kubuntu? or should be and packages are hosed?
[08:21] <robotgeek> jfro: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[08:21] <baldor> robotgeek is partimage available for KUbuntu?
[08:21] <jfro> hmm
[08:22] <jfro> how do i clean up a failed install so i can do that?
[08:22] <robotgeek> baldor: there's a qtparted, i am not sure what partimage is.
[08:22] <jfro> or maybe that'll work, fails nm... depends: yelp
[08:22] <jfro> and yelp is not installable
[08:22] <baldor> partimage is an alternative to Ghost
[08:22] <baldor> bsically an imaging softwar for partitions
[08:23] <robotgeek> baldor: looks like it's available
[08:23] <robotgeek> !info partimage
[08:23] <ubotu> partimage: (backup partitions into a compressed image file), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 0.6.4-11ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 247 kB, Installed size: 876 kB
[08:25] <jfro> hmm
[08:25] <jfro> i can't clean an incomplete broken install
[08:26] <robotgeek> jfro: apt-get -f install
[08:26] <jfro> that fails
[08:26] <jfro> because
[08:26] <jfro> the missing ones
[08:26] <jfro> have invalid file size
[08:26] <jfro> when it tries to get them
[08:26] <robotgeek> jfro: maybe try from a different mirror?
[08:26] <jfro> good call
[08:27] <baldor> hey ubotu cheers for that
[08:27] <baldor> but where o I see section/admin?
[08:27] <robotgeek> baldor: you need to enable the universe repo
[08:27] <baldor> the universe repository package?
[08:27] <baldor> ok eh but how
[08:27] <baldor> sorry if Im a reall newb here guys
[08:28] <baldor> is there a tutorial or walk throug for Kubunto for this?
[08:28] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell baldor about repos
[08:30] <fatejudger> !sources.list
[08:30] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[08:31] <fatejudger> !fglrx
[08:31] <ubotu> it has been said that fglrx is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:32] <nexus> how do you use host-ap?
[08:35] <jfro> wtf
[08:35] <jfro> when i try
[08:35] <jfro> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:35] <jfro> it's asking me to insert the kubuntu cd
[08:36] <robotgeek> jfro: you need to add online repos
[08:37] <robotgeek> and comment out the cdrom repo
[08:38] <jfro> pretty sure i did but checking
[08:38] <jfro> oops thanks
[08:38] <robotgeek> jfro: then apt-get update
[08:39] <jfro> woo
[08:39] <jfro> thanks :)
[08:39] <robotgeek> no problem
[08:39] <jfro> why did it not care the cdrom entry was there
[08:39] <jfro> before
[08:39] <jfro> cuz apparently inever commented it out
[08:39] <jfro> since i installed this like months ago
[08:40] <lint> Someone with enlightenment experience mind helping someone out?
[08:40] <lint> and by enlightenment i dont mean dali llama, i'm talking about l17
[08:47] <jfro> heh
[08:47] <jfro> i can't get a full screen console
[08:47] <jfro> it puts the monitor out of sync
[08:52] <lint> How to i navigate to /usr/ in terminal?
[08:54] <_mindspin> cd /usr
[08:54] <lint> doesn't work
[08:54] <_mindspin> typo
[08:54] <jfro> o.O
[08:55] <lint> well thats just silly
[08:55] <lint> why can't i do "cd /usr/"
[08:55] <TecnoVM64> what does it say
[08:55] <robotgeek> lint: you can
[08:56] <jpatrick> robotgeek: five minutes
[08:56] <jpatrick> four actually
[08:56] <douglas> I can't seem to aquire debconf-utils?
[08:56] <robotgeek> jpatrick: i'm a happy camper :)
[08:57] <douglas> I want to build a debian package for jre1.5
[08:58] <lint> aight we'll see if this install worked
[08:58] <lint> brb
[09:00] <douglas> Can someone else perhaps try to install debconf-utils I can't seem to... :( Or better yet, someone running breezy could build a deb package for jre1.5
[09:00] <duckdown> Hi all..  How should a noob go about generating a large sources.list .. I haven't messed with Linux for a while and have forgotten alot, but I know that I want to upgrade to KDE 3.5.1 or higher
[09:00] <_b> anyone know the real name of this player http://ihome.ust.hk/~twwong/mp0578b.jpg ?
[09:00] <_b> its noname ipod copy
[09:01] <_mindspin> !easysources
[09:01] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _mindspin
[09:01] <_mindspin> ! easysources
[09:01] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _mindspin
[09:01] <duckdown> _mindspin:  thanks
[09:01] <_mindspin> ! easy sources
[09:01] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _mindspin
[09:01] <duckdown> oh
[09:01] <duckdown> :(
[09:01] <duckdown> no go?
[09:01] <_mindspin> aaargjh
[09:01] <_mindspin> there is
[09:01] <_mindspin> source o matic
[09:01] <_mindspin> but ubotu knows
[09:02] <duckdown> That is compatible with Kubuntu?  Ive seen that for Ubuntu once
[09:02] <_mindspin> yep
[09:02] <duckdown> I can try googling it, thanks man, I'll check it out
[09:02] <_mindspin> ! easy source
[09:02] <ubotu> _mindspin: I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:02] <duckdown> !source-o-matic
[09:02] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[09:02] <duckdown> :)
[09:02] <_mindspin> hehe
[09:02] <fatejudger> is there an XGL howto for KDE?
[09:02] <_mindspin> i thought that it failed xyesterday
[09:03] <duckdown> :D
[09:03] <duckdown> never tried it :)
[09:03] <_mindspin> but source-o-matic will be a good start
[09:04] <jpatrick> !xgl
[09:04] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #xgl-ubuntu for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[09:04] <MetaMorfoziS> reboot
[09:04] <ninniuz> hi I'm having problems with cups and kubuntu
[09:04] <_mindspin> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main
[09:05] <_mindspin> basicly add: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main
[09:05] <_mindspin> for kde 3.5.1
[09:07] <fatejudger> what is the difference between XGL and compiz?
[09:08] <chx> hi. sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start says (99)Cannot assign requested address: make_sock: could not bind to address 127.0.0.1:80  no listening sockets available, shutting down  but netstat -nl |grep :80 comes up empty handed.
[09:09] <NRG88> can i boot breezy with the kernel of dapper?
[09:09] <jpatrick> no
[09:09] <NRG88> :(
[09:09] <NRG88> has anyone tried?
[09:11] <nexus> /etc/wlan/shared: line 91: /etc/wlan/shared.*: No such file or directory
[09:11] <nexus> when i try to start wlan-ng / wlan i get this error
[09:12] <nexus> how do i fix this?
[09:14] <nexus> ??
[09:19] <jetsaredim> how do I figure out why a particular given package won't install?
[09:19] <Snake__> jetsaredim: the servers were down, they just went back up (we think)
[09:20] <jetsaredim> I've tried to install kontact from kde 3.5.1 a couple times and each time it fails
[09:20] <jetsaredim> its not in fetching
[09:20] <Snake__> jetsaredim: get errors?
[09:20] <jetsaredim> well - that's what I'm wondering
[09:20] <Snake__> Ehh
[09:20] <jetsaredim> I'm trying to install it through the adept gui
[09:21] <Snake__> jetsaredim: try to install it with apt
[09:21] <jetsaredim> (just apt-get install <pkg>)?
[09:21] <Snake__> jetsaredim: sudo apt-get install <pkg> :)
[09:22] <jetsaredim> hmm - maybe it is a download problem
[09:23] <Snake__> jetsaredim: There seems to be issues with the server we think. a few others can't do any either
[09:23] <jetsaredim> well - if it matters its kontact-3.5.1
[09:24] <Snake__> Hang on a moment
[09:24] <Snake__> ill try
[09:24] <fatejudger> when I try start kdm with XGL it complains that I don't have the correct kernel modules installed
[09:24] <Snake__> jetsaredim: kontact-3.5.1 does not exist in the repos
[09:24] <fatejudger> but when I don't use XGL, it works fine
[09:25] <fatejudger> is there some package I'm forgetting to install?
[09:25] <jetsaredim> that's not exactly the name I just mean the 3.5.1 version of kontact
[09:25] <fatejudger> btw, someone really needs to write a howto for XGL on KDE and not Gnome
[09:25] <Snake__> fatejudger: XGL doesn't work with breezy as fas as im aware
[09:25] <fatejudger> I use Dapper
[09:25] <fatejudger> Flight 4
[09:25] <Snake__> fatejudger: ah okay
[09:25] <Snake__> Its still very hit and miss, but im not really sure
[09:25] <fatejudger> yeah
[09:26] <fatejudger> I'm thinking about just giving up here in a couple of minutes
[09:26] <fatejudger> not really worth my time
[09:26] <Snake__> jetsaredim: you have KDE 3.5.1 right?
[09:26] <fatejudger> it just seems like every howto is written for Gnome and not KDE
[09:26] <jetsaredim> Snake__: yep
[09:26] <fatejudger> so all Gnome specific commands don't apply
[09:26] <Snake__> fatejudger: ubuntu has a lot more users that kubuntu :-/
[09:27] <Snake__> jetsaredim: Hmmm odd
[09:27] <jetsaredim> yea
[09:27] <Snake__> jetsaredim: well I can tell you right now 3.5.1 of the program isn't going to be in breezy repos
[09:27] <Snake__> jetsaredim: so you may need to complie it
[09:27] <jetsaredim> grrr
[09:27] <Snake__> jetsaredim: or better yet, hit Alt+F2 and type in kontact
[09:28] <jetsaredim> so much for switching to kubuntu for ease of use
[09:28] <Snake__> jetsaredim: I am running 3.5.1 and I have kontact
[09:28] <jetsaredim> Snake__: in adept?
[09:28] <Snake__> jetsaredim: no, on your desktop, just press Alt+F2, type in kontact, and run
[09:28] <jetsaredim> could not run
[09:28] <Snake__> Wtf?
[09:28] <jetsaredim> I had the 3.4.3 version
[09:29] <jetsaredim> but I uninstalled it cause it was complaining that it was broken
[09:29] <Snake__> jetsaredim: when you updated to 3.5.1 it should have updated it with it
[09:29] <jetsaredim> agree
[09:29] <jetsaredim> seems like it won't download it
[09:29] <Snake__> jetsaredim: try to apt-get install kontact, then see if its upgradable (Make sure you have the KDE3.5.1 repos in your sources.list)
[09:29] <jetsaredim> I do have that repos
[09:30] <jetsaredim> does apt respect http_proxy?
[09:30] <Snake__> Not sure
[09:30] <ninniuz> hi is it possible to upgrade kubuntu breezy to dapper?
[09:30] <Snake__> ninniuz: yes it is, but I dont suggest it
[09:30] <Snake__> I cant even get the live disk to run
[09:30] <jetsaredim> Snake__: I mean - when I run that apt-get install from the cli it just waits for headers
[09:31] <martin> Running the Dapper Flight 4 install here. Works perfectly
[09:31] <fatejudger> ninniuz: you're better off just doing a fresh install
[09:31] <ninniuz> :( I dont wanna lose config files
[09:31] <fatejudger> ninniuz: it barely takes any time at all anyway
[09:31] <Snake__> martin: no way it runs perfectly. Its a freakin development :-P
[09:31] <martin> Hehe :D
[09:31] <fatejudger> ninniuz: config files?
[09:31] <ninniuz> kde config files and stuff
[09:31] <Snake__> Just to quote kkathman "[15:31]  < kkathman> both nalioth and I have had systems crashed
[09:32] <Snake__> "
[09:32] <nalioth> what are we quoting abou me, Snake__
[09:32] <Snake__> nalioth: I didnt quote you, I quoted kkathman
[09:32] <martin> Only crap I saw in Dapper F4 was that Adept wouldn't update correctly. sudo apt-get update/distro-upgrade worked though
[09:32] <nalioth> pertaining to what?
[09:33] <Snake__> nalioth: they are talkin about upgrading to dapper
[09:33] <_mindspin> ! dapper
[09:33] <ubotu> somebody said dapper was the pre-release name for the next version of Ubuntu, the release will be called 6.04. It is due 20th April. It is software in development and as such may break.  join #ubuntu+1 to talk about it
[09:34] <nalioth> dapper is unusable on production boxes at this time
[09:34] <fatejudger> is there some problem using XGL with the fglrx drivers?
[09:34] <fatejudger> do I have to use the open source ones?
[09:34] <Snake__> !xgl
[09:34] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #xgl-ubuntu for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[09:35] <fatejudger> omg, I saw that already
[09:35] <fatejudger> it's for Gnome
[09:35] <jpatrick> that's the 1000th time today
[09:35] <fatejudger> I don't use Gnome
[09:35] <Snake__> fatejudger: join that channel, they might help
[09:35] <fatejudger> fine...
[09:35] <Snake__> Just a suggestion
[09:41] <Phazeman> hi all. what is the name of the system control panel application ?
[09:41] <Hobbsee> system settings or kcontrol
[09:41] <_mindspin> kcontrol
[09:41] <Phazeman> system Hobbsee
[09:41] <Phazeman> not the kcontrol
[09:42] <Hobbsee> boht work
[09:42] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: i was asking about the kubuntu/ubuntu one and not the kconsole
[09:42] <Phazeman> after i upgaded to dapper i'm missing it in the menu
[09:42] <Hobbsee> um...
[09:42] <_mindspin> ! dapper
[09:42] <ubotu> hmm... dapper is the pre-release name for the next version of Ubuntu, the release will be called 6.04. It is due 20th April. It is software in development and as such may break.  join #ubuntu+1 to talk about it
[09:42] <Hobbsee> should say system settings
[09:43] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: i don't have such entry in the menu.. thats the thingy
[09:44] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: could you please look in the menu config about what does it start exactly ?
[09:45] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: "systemsettings -caption "%c" %i %m" is what i have in the kmenu listing under command
[09:45] <Phazeman> thanks
[09:45] <Phazeman> systemsettings it is
[09:46] <Phazeman> bbiab
[09:49] <jetsaredim> Snake__: here's the error I get from running apt-get to install kontact http://pastebin.com/565609
[09:50] <Snake__> jetsaredim: Did you do what it asks?
[09:50] <Snake__> sudo apt-get update?
[09:50] <Snake__> jetsaredim: also, it looks like the servers are down (hence the connection failed)
[09:51] <jarlath> Can anyone tell me how to buy a good wireless router? The one I have kicks me off when I do too much file transferring.
[09:51] <Snake__> jarlath: linksys, or D-Link. Don't go cheap. That is all
[09:51] <jarlath> Snake__ cheers.
[09:52] <jarlath> Snake__ do you know why I have these problems? Sometimes our internet gets really slow (usually when I have a p2p program running).
[09:52] <jetsaredim> where is the apt lock file?
[09:52] <Snake__> jetsaredim: apt lock file?
[09:52] <Snake__> jarlath: because P2P hogs your bandwidth
[09:53] <nalioth> jarlath: what kind of p2p?
[09:53] <jarlath> Snake__ and the router gives the incoming connections priority over the local clients?
[09:53] <jarlath> nalioth amule
[09:53] <nalioth> jarlath: find a way to throttle it
[09:54] <nalioth> jarlath: limit its bandwidth
[09:54] <jarlath> nalioth I have. To 3kb. But there are many connections.
[09:54] <Snake__> jarlath: you should be able to set that as well
[09:54] <Snake__> scout the settings
[09:54] <nalioth> well, moderate your gluttony, jarlath
[09:54] <jarlath> Okay.
[09:54] <jarlath> hehe, okay.
[09:55] <jarlath> But could a better router be smarter about this situation? And if so, what 'properites' do I look for :)
[09:57] <Snake__> jarlath: look for something that says sumtin about "max conenctions"
[09:57] <Snake__> jarlath: I torrent with my router big time, Linksys WRT54G (its a wireless router) and it handles it fine
[09:57] <jarlath> Snake__ wireless?
[09:58] <Snake__> jarlath: yes....wifi
[09:58] <jarlath> cool.
[09:58] <jarlath> Its mainly the wireless clients that get locked out here. Strange.
[10:04] <bergfloh> i have a problem logging in with kdm. after logging in with my password, no kde splash screen appears. nothing happens.
[10:04] <bergfloh> what can i do?
[10:05] <Hobbsee> bergfloh: try bypassing kdm, by going to a terminal and typing "startx"
[10:06] <jetsaredim> Snake__: apt lock file...  adept crashed and now i can'
[10:06] <jetsaredim> t run it anymore
[10:06] <Snake__> jetsaredim: /me sighs
[10:06] <jetsaredim> and when I run apt from the command line it says that there is a lock
[10:07] <Snake__> Yea... jetsaredim type in "pkill adept"
[10:08] <jetsaredim> Snake__: got it
[10:08] <bergfloh> Hobbsee: startx works, but i would like to use kdm (i use xdmcp as well...)
[10:08] <Snake__> jetsaredim: now try
[10:09] <jetsaredim> Snake__: tried that apt-get --fix-missing
[10:09] <jetsaredim> it says try installing kontact with -f install
[10:09] <jetsaredim> to force it
[10:09] <jetsaredim> but it still can't get the headers
[10:09] <jetsaredim> is there a list of the appropriate repos, just to be sure?
[10:09] <Snake__> !kopete
[10:09] <ubotu> Kopete is the KDE IM, supporting AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber, IRC, Gadu-Gadu, Novell GroupWise Messenger, and more. See http://kopete.kde.org
[10:09] <Snake__> oops
[10:09] <Snake__> not that
[10:09] <Snake__> :)
[10:09] <Snake__> !info kontact
[10:09] <ubotu> kontact: (KDE pim application), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 1558 kB, Installed size: 3292 kB
[10:10] <jetsaredim> Snake__: can you pastebin your sources.list/
[10:10] <Snake__> jetsaredim: I use this
[10:10] <Snake__> !sources
[10:10] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[10:10] <Snake__> The breezy one
[10:10] <Snake__> jetsaredim: If it still doesnt work, I would wait a few hours, because a few are havin issues with the repos
[10:12] <jetsaredim> Snake__: ok thanks
[10:14] <Hobbsee> woot!
[10:16] <jetsaredim> Snake__: you also have the kde351 repos, right?
[10:16] <Snake__> jetsaredim: not in my sources
[10:16] <jetsaredim> where then?
[10:16] <jetsaredim> how did you get the 351 sutff?
[10:16] <Snake__> I dont have them, I only put hem in when I need them
[10:16] <Snake__> !kde3.5.1
[10:17] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[10:17] <Snake__> Go there and get em
[10:19] <jetsaredim> Snake__: there must be some lock file out there not cleaned up - every time i start adept it says that it can only run readonly
[10:19] <Snake__> jetsaredim: what if you type in "kdesu adept" in the CLI
[10:20] <jarlath> Is there a way to test how good your connection is to the internet? I'm trying sites with lots of graphics, but maybe they have slow servers anyway.
[10:20] <Snake__> jarlath: what do you mean test?
[10:20] <jetsaredim> that worked
[10:20] <jetsaredim> must be a kde lockfile
[10:21] <Snake__> jetsaredim: na, when adept crashed, it still thinks its going on....when you restart it will be cleared up
[10:21] <jetsaredim> ok thanks
[10:22] <jarlath> Snake__ well, I'm not really sure :) Some sites are loading slowly but their servers might be busy now. I would like to see what bandwidth I have free maybe?
[10:23] <Snake__> jarlath: hang on, I know a site that will run tests if you want it
[10:24] <Snake__> jarlath: http://www.dslreports.com/tools plent of PC tests there
[10:24] <jarlath> Snake__ thanks.
[10:26] <Snake__> jarlath: I suggest you run where it says "Speed tests" :)
[10:30] <jarlath> Snake__ Great. I've just registered!
[10:31] <Snake__> jarlath: awesome
[10:33] <paxmaster> on my laptop I have fluxbox cause of low mem and how would start an appplication start up when i log in
[10:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[10:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what would you use to compute the word count of a text document?
[10:37] <Tallia1Kubuntu> does any of the usually installed program under KDE do that?
[10:37] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i mean like... kwrite kedit..
[10:39] <nitelizard> for simple text you can use wc
[10:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> nitelizard: TNX!!
[10:40] <nitelizard> well it is a shell command, so expect nothing fancy...
[10:40] <nitelizard> try man wc
[10:43] <jetsaredim> where do packages get downloaded to?
[10:43] <jetsaredim> Snake__: the kontact package is in the repos - I can browse there
[10:43] <jetsaredim> and just download it
[10:44] <Snake__> jetsaredim: You should be able to
[10:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> eheh
[10:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> nitelizard: it works perfectly!!
[10:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu>  :)
[10:49] <jetsaredim> Snake__: any thoughts on this error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9070
[10:52] <honesty> can I have a link to to dapper irc
[10:54] <honesty> can I have a link to to dapper irc
[10:54] <robotgeek> !dapper
[10:54] <ubotu> I guess dapper is the pre-release name for the next version of Ubuntu, the release will be called 6.04. It is due 20th April. It is software in development and as such may break.  join #ubuntu+1 to talk about it
[10:54] <Snake__> jetsaredim: no clue :(
[10:58] <jetsaredim> so much for switching from gentoo cause its easier
[10:59] <fatejudger> ?
[10:59] <fatejudger> lol
[10:59] <fatejudger> has anyone even gotten XGL to work in KDE?
[10:59] <fatejudger> I can't find one person who's using it in anything other than Gnome
[11:00] <jetsaredim> Snake__: any ideas where i'd be able to get more assistance on this kde problem?
[11:00] <Snake__> fatejudger: I believe kamping_kaiser got it working, but hes not in :(
[11:01] <Snake__> jetsaredim: Forums perhaps
[11:01] <fatejudger> Snake__: nothing in there
[11:02] <fatejudger> everything is Gnome specific
[11:02] <fatejudger> hey Hobbsee
[11:02] <fatejudger> have you gotten XGL to work?
[11:03] <Hobbsee> hey fatejudger
[11:03] <Hobbsee> havent tried
[11:03] <fatejudger> damn
[11:03] <fatejudger> someone in here needs to try besides me
[11:03] <Hobbsee> i hear people are trying though
[11:03] <fatejudger> yeah, in the Gnome camp
[11:03] <fatejudger> all the tutorials are for Gnome
[11:03] <Hobbsee> Snake__: was, i think
[11:03] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: so you're a member of the Kubuntu team now?
[11:04] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: i was a member of that for a while - i'm now a ubuntu member as well
[11:05] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I thought you were a Kubuntu user
[11:05] <xgl> I have XGL running fine with nvidia driver and latest packages in dapper. Only kde-window-decorator do not work.
[11:05] <Hobbsee> oh, i might be that, i dont remember
[11:05] <robotgeek> yes it does for me Hobbsee :)
[11:05] <fatejudger> robotgeek: you're using XGL?
[11:05] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: ah ok :)
[11:06] <robotgeek> fatejudger: no cpu cycles to spend on fancy graphics :(
[11:06] <fatejudger> damnit
[11:06] <fatejudger> it's not like it takes much
[11:07] <xgl> cpu cycles? - you mean gpu cycles ;-)
[11:07] <robotgeek> xgl: :)
[11:09] <kosh> the point of xgl is to offload stuff from your cpu to the gpu so your cpu can do more work
[11:11] <robotgeek> kosh: hmm, how funky a graphics card does it need?
[11:11] <samoura> HELLO i need help how can i go on ircnet :(
[11:11] <samoura> please help me
[11:12] <samoura> help me
[11:12] <frojnd> poor guy
[11:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:13] <Hobbsee> gotta love people like that
[11:13] <Snake__> lol
[11:13] <kosh> robotgeek: hardware accelerated opengl
[11:13] <kosh> robotgeek: that pretty much covers it
[11:14] <robotgeek> kosh: do xpdyinfo | grep rendering = yes? is good enuf?
[11:14] <kosh> I can't do it on my current system, I justknow that itis reported to work fairly well
[11:14] <zerephath> Hey I am learning linux...I found /usr/share/doc/beagle and also found a .gz in /usr/share/man/man8/ that shows beagle...when I type man beagle I get nothing? Someone tell me what I am missing?
[11:15] <kosh> multiple ati cards does not seem to work with the ati binary driver
[11:15] <fatejudger> zerephath: wtf?
[11:15] <fatejudger> zerephath: what are you searching "beagle" for?
[11:15] <kosh> zerephath: that seems strange, I would expect that to work
[11:15] <kosh> zerephath: if there is a manpage for it then man beagle though work
[11:16] <fatejudger> robotgeek: are you going to try XGL?
[11:16] <zerephath> kosh: Well after I installed it...and opened it the daemon wasn't running...so I went in search of information on how to do this in the only locations I know of and it has nothing..
[11:16] <robotgeek> fatejudger: i want to find out if i make minimum requirements first!
[11:16] <Snake__> robotgeek: what card do you run.
[11:16] <kosh> zerephath: can you try doing man 8 beagle
[11:16] <fatejudger> robotgeek: what graphics card do you have?
[11:17] <zerephath> kosh: Ok let me see if that does it...I though just "man beagle" should do it though?
[11:17] <kosh> zerephath: it should, I just wanted you to test that
[11:17] <robotgeek> fatejudger:              product: M9+ 5C63 [Radeon Mobility 9200 (AGP)] 
[11:17] <fatejudger> you're on a laptop?
[11:17] <fatejudger> it said that 9200's should be enough
[11:17] <robotgeek> fatejudger: yes, laptop apple
[11:17] <Snake__> 9200 should run it
[11:18] <fatejudger> wtf
[11:18] <zerephath> kosh: Nope it says there is no man entry either.
[11:18] <fatejudger> why aren't you running OSX then?
[11:18] <Snake__> fatejudger: becayse kubuntu OWNS it
[11:18] <robotgeek> fatejudger: OS X, why? lol
[11:18] <fatejudger> well it already has expose
[11:18] <robotgeek> fatejudger: i don't like expose!
[11:18] <fatejudger> so you wouldn't need all of this XGL compiz stuff
[11:19] <zerephath> I checked in the man8 dir there are 2 gzipped files... beagle-build-index.8.gz and beagle-manage-index.8.gz?
[11:19] <fatejudger> then why did you buy an apple?
[11:19] <robotgeek> fatejudger: hmm, good hardware
[11:19] <fatejudger> lol
[11:19] <kosh> I know others that buy apple hardware to run linux on it
[11:19] <fatejudger> that's about the dumbest reason for buying an apple I've ever heard
[11:19] <Zappa> when i copy files to my phone's memory stick - the files appear to copy over really quickly - too quickly. Is it perhaps caching the files and copying them in the background?
[11:19] <robotgeek> fatejudger: really
[11:19] <Snake__> fatejudger: then dont buy one
[11:20] <fatejudger> you could have bought a much faster PC for the same price
[11:20] <fatejudger> wait
[11:20] <fatejudger> so let me get this straight
[11:20] <fatejudger> you ERASED OS X
[11:20] <fatejudger> so you could put on Gnome??
[11:21] <Snake__> Dualboot
[11:21] <robotgeek> fatejudger: yeah, about an year ago
[11:21] <kosh> I don't see what that is such a big deal
[11:21] <Snake__> me neither
[11:21] <fatejudger> because Gnome looks like a System <= 9 clone
[11:21] <Snake__> fatejudger: so?
[11:21] <robotgeek> fatejudger: looks arent really that important to me, i need to get my job done
[11:21] <fatejudger> so??
[11:21] <kosh> for what I do osx is certainly far less efficient to use then kde is
[11:21] <fatejudger> he OWNS a MAC
[11:21] <Snake__> fatejudger: then go install fluxbox and silence youself. :P
[11:22] <kosh> fatejudger: he owns a mac for a reason other then the gui
[11:22] <fatejudger> but he can run System 9
[11:22] <Snake__> fatejudger: hell I dont think robotgeek even uses a GUI
[11:22] <Snake__> he tears up the terminal
[11:22] <fatejudger> lol
[11:22] <fatejudger> wtf does he have a computer for?
[11:22] <Snake__> Same reason you do
[11:22] <robotgeek> fatejudger: stuff
[11:22] <fatejudger> LOL
[11:22] <Snake__> LOL
[11:22] <Snake__> NIce
[11:22] <kosh> well I know for what I do that osx, os9, windows etc would cost me many hours per week in lost productivity
[11:23] <robotgeek> kosh: +1
[11:23] <fatejudger> kosh: and what exactly do you do?
[11:23] <Snake__> kosh: +5
[11:23] <kosh> http://aesaeion.com/mydesk
[11:23] <kosh> fatejudger: I write db software and I deal a lot with remote resources, the ioslaves in kde are unmatched by any other system
[11:24] <Snake__> kosh: what do the tabs in the corner of your konversation do?
[11:24] <kosh> you will probably have to scroll that image of my desktop a lot
[11:24] <samoura> hello i just got kubuntu linux and i need help . Kmenu/system/pakage manage and there is files that arent installd :S how do i install it
[11:24] <zerephath> kosh: You could'nt make the image any bigger for the web? :)
[11:24] <fatejudger> kosh: what's your rez?
[11:24] <mrkris> hiya, first time using kubuntu. I did an apt-get upgrade and it keeps telling me it failed to fetch some deb packages because of size mismatch
[11:24] <kosh> 5504x1200
[11:24] <robotgeek> nice kosh :)
[11:25] <fatejudger> lol
[11:25] <fatejudger> that makes my 1920x1200 seem tiny
[11:25] <zerephath> samoura: use synaptic to install
[11:25] <robotgeek> mrkris: please try changing your mirrors
[11:25] <kosh> 2 1152x864 + 2 1600x1200
[11:25] <fatejudger> yeah
[11:25] <fatejudger> that's what I figured
[11:25] <fatejudger> I own a widescreen monitor
[11:25] <Snake__> kosh: what do them there tabs in the corner of your conversation do?
[11:25] <mrkris> robotgeek: in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:25] <Snake__> where it says TNSIPMKL
[11:25] <robotgeek> mrkris: yup, i think there is some problem with the repos being down
[11:26] <kosh> on they show you/allow you to change settings for a channel
[11:26] <fatejudger> I don't understand what compells people to uglyfy KDE
[11:26] <kosh> topic protection, no outside message etc
[11:26] <Snake__> kosh: oh okay :)
[11:26] <mrkris> robotgeek: i am assuming the mirrors are on the site
[11:26] <kosh> I should have 4 1920x1200 in march :)
[11:26] <zerephath> hmmm...so kosk no idea why I can't get a man page up for beagle?
[11:26] <kosh> zerephath: no idea on that, not a problem I have seen before
[11:26] <zerephath> *kosh*
[11:27] <zerephath> K thanks
[11:27] <kosh> fatejudger: you don't like my system?
[11:27] <robotgeek> mrkris: or maybe apt-get --fix-missing upgrade
[11:27] <robotgeek> mrkris: that worked for me, just now :)
[11:28] <mrkris> robotgeek: not for me, it still tells me missing dependencies, that it couldn't stat the us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe packages
[11:28] <mrkris> "Try using -f"
[11:28] <mrkris> yeah that won't work either :-o
[11:28] <robotgeek> mrkris: hmm, try archive.ubuntu.com, instead of us.
[11:29] <__mikem> Hey, My new 64-bit computer is finally set up
[11:30] <fatejudger> kosh: I wouldn't use that color scheme on my computer
[11:30] <kosh> __mikem: grats
[11:30] <fatejudger> kosh: I have yet to find a theme that's better than the default Kubuntu one for Dapper
[11:30] <kosh> fatejudger: ah well I like it, I don't like bright colors for my desktop
[11:30] <mrkris> robotgeek: nothing
[11:31] <fatejudger> I wish I could figure out how to keep window sizes
[11:31] <fatejudger> I always have to resize Konqueror every time I open it
[11:31] <fatejudger> does anyone know how?
[11:31] <Snake__> kosh: you owuld love my desktop
[11:31] <mrkris> robotgeek: all i did was a fresh install, and used apt-get cmdline to update instead of the manager, now things wont work :-o
[11:31] <__mikem> When the next mepis comes out, I really don't see any point in continuing the kubuntu project
[11:31] <robotgeek> fatejudger: right click -> Advanced -> Window Settings
[11:31] <__mikem> since ubuntu based mepis will be basicly the same thing
[11:31] <fatejudger> right click where?
[11:31] <robotgeek> fatejudger: on the window
[11:31] <__mikem> anyware
[11:32] <robotgeek> __mikem: hmm, interesting
[11:32] <fatejudger> oh ok
[11:32] <robotgeek> fatejudger: i am assuming you have kde 3.5.1 :)
[11:32] <fatejudger> robotgeek: does that apply only to that program?
[11:32] <fatejudger> robotgeek: yes, I do use Dapper
[11:32] <robotgeek> fatejudger: yes, to konqueror only
[11:32] <fatejudger> robotgeek: is there a way to do it globally for every program?
[11:32] <__mikem> brb
[11:32] <samoura> i am new in this linux and in kmenu/system/package manage there are files that aren installd and i try to click on install on the files but nothing happins please ;( help
[11:32] <robotgeek> fatejudger: not sure
[11:33] <Snake__> kosh: http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6357/sweet23dr.jpg
[11:33] <Snake__> digi t/
[11:33] <robotgeek> samoura: okay, you opened adept and then?
[11:33] <Snake__> dig it*
[11:34] <Snake__> fatejudger: same to you http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6357/sweet23dr.jpg :)
[11:34] <samoura> i cant install nothing in adept ;( what do do wrong?
[11:34] <fatejudger> Snake__: PINK!?!?
[11:34] <samoura> why doesn start up?
[11:34] <Snake__> Hell yea!
[11:34] <samoura> to install
[11:34] <robotgeek> samoura: it must be asking for your password somewhere
[11:34] <samoura> yess i enter the password
[11:35] <fatejudger> Snake__: your KDE theme has been Gnomified
[11:35] <Snake__> fatejudger: how do you figure
[11:35] <robotgeek> !adept
[11:35] <ubotu> it has been said that adept is a package manager for Kubuntu. A howto is provided here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[11:35] <robotgeek> samoura: ^^
[11:35] <Snake__> fatejudger: thats my taskbar up top
[11:35] <Snake__> nothing like gnome
[11:35] <__mikem> ok
[11:36] <iustin> hello to everyone
[11:36] <kosh> Snake__: I don't ever even see my desktop, I have 4 monitors and I wish I had far more space, the color setup I don't like though
[11:36] <Snake__> kosh: hehe
[11:36] <Snake__> That was more of a gag than serious
[11:36] <Snake__> I got a nice blue theme I run
[11:36] <__mikem> hey robotgeek, you say gnomeafied like its a bad thing
[11:37] <robotgeek> me __mikem ?
[11:37] <fatejudger> Snake__: is there a SuperKaramba widget for Kontact?
[11:37] <__mikem> yup
[11:37] <Snake__> fatejudger: yes I think so
[11:37] <robotgeek> i never said that
[11:37] <fatejudger> Snake__: I'd like to be able to see my appointments and whatnot on the desktop
[11:37] <__mikem> nvm
[11:37] <Snake__> fatejudger: there should be
[11:37] <iustin> i mess some things with my sources.list but i made a backup on desktop , could u tell me the command line to copy paste it onto etc/apt
[11:38] <robotgeek> iustin: sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo cp ~/Desktop/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:38] <ryanakca> is there a Dapper channel?
[11:38] <iustin> thanks a lot
[11:38] <samoura> hello what fail is in adept that is ge force fx driver install:;(
[11:39] <iustin> robotgeek: thanks
[11:39] <__mikem> is there a sponser to kubuntu pressed cds yet
[11:39] <robotgeek> ryanakca: /j #ubuntu+1
[11:39] <_mindspin> ! dapper
[11:39] <ubotu> rumour has it, dapper is the pre-release name for the next version of Ubuntu, the release will be called 6.04. It is due 20th April. It is software in development and as such may break.  join #ubuntu+1 to talk about it
[11:40] <fatejudger> Snake__: you don't use Krita?
[11:40] <Snake__> fatejudger: Hell no, thats like...the paint of Linux
[11:40] <fatejudger> lol
[11:40] <fatejudger> don't say that in #koffice
[11:40] <fatejudger> have you used it in 1.5?
[11:41] <Snake__> fatejudger: 1.5 best is VERY Good, but the one on my system is terriable
[11:41] <fatejudger> yeah
[11:41] <fatejudger> why not upgrade?
[11:41] <fatejudger> they have the beta for Breezy and Dapper
[11:41] <Snake__> fatejudger: lazy
[11:41] <Snake__> haha
[11:41] <fatejudger> lol
[11:41] <fatejudger> that's a horrible excuse
[11:41] <Snake__> fatejudger: plus I Like the layout of gimp :)
[11:41] <fatejudger> I hate that disjointed look
[11:41] <fatejudger> too used to Photoshop
[11:42] <fatejudger> I hear Krita will have layer styles soon too
[11:42] <Snake__> fatejudger: I think it does doesnt it?
[11:42] <fatejudger> not yet
[11:42] <fatejudger> well
[11:42] <fatejudger> I haven't checked in awhile
[11:42] <fatejudger> I don't think it was supposed to go in for another couple of months
[11:43] <Snake__> I need some irssi scripts
[11:43] <Snake__> !irssi
[11:43] <ubotu> rumour has it, irssi is http://f0rked.com/core/irssi
[11:43] <Snake__> :) sweet
[11:43] <__mikem> ! ubotu
[11:43] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[11:46] <fatejudger> well I've had enough screwing around for the day
[11:46] <fatejudger> I'll cya guys
[11:46] <Snake__> cya
[11:46] <Zappa> is there a way i can disable read/write caching to a device (specifically my memory stick on /dev/sdb)
[11:47] <Snake__> Hmmm
[11:47] <samoura> hello i am in Kmenu/system/package manager what fail is the fail name to install a video card driver
[11:47] <samoura> hello i am in Kmenu/system/package manager what fail is the fail name to install a video card driver
[11:48] <samoura> just need to know this please ;S hello i am in Kmenu/system/package manager what fail is the fail name to install a video card driver
[11:49] <r2> hey guys i wanted to install firefox on kubuntu but t doesnt appear on my Package Manager, how can i install it?
[11:50] <robotgeek> samoura: which video card? nvidia?
[11:50] <samoura> GE force fx 6600
[11:50] <robotgeek> !nvidia
[11:50] <ubotu> from memory, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[11:51] <Plouj> why does LILO return error code 1 whenever I try to install it into the root partition (which is LVM)
[11:51] <martin> r2: try this in Konsole: sudo apt-get install firefox
[11:53] <r2> i get this error mate E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:53] <robotgeek> r2: do you have adept open?
[11:53] <__mikem> ! mepis
[11:53] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, __mikem
[11:53] <__mikem> !mepis
[11:53] <ubotu> __mikem: I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:53] <r2> yes was open
[11:53] <martin> Close it
[11:53] <nxv_> hello
[11:54] <robotgeek> r2: close it and try again
[11:54] <r2> Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:54] <martin> Check your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[11:55] <robotgeek> r2: dapper/breezy?
[11:55] <nxv_> i get an error through out the upgrade procedure. cant donwload a valid version of pykdeextension. is there a mechanism to change the used mirror?
[11:55] <r2> dapper
[11:55] <r2> 5.10
[11:55] <robotgeek> r2: okay, that is breezy
[11:55] <martin> Flight 4 I presume?
[11:55] <r2> oh ok my bad
[11:56] <robotgeek> r2: do you have 5.10? (just making sure), lol,
[11:56] <r2> yes 5.10
[11:56] <r2> downloaded yesterday
[11:56] <martin> I run Dapper Flight 4 and it still says 5.10 in the KMenu
[11:56] <robotgeek> r2: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox"
[11:56] <r2> thanks mate will try
[11:56] <robotgeek> uhoh
[11:57] <r2> same error mate :/
[11:58] <robotgeek> r2: cat /etc/issue
[11:58] <martin> What does your sources.list file look like?
[11:58] <robotgeek> !info firefox
[11:58] <r2> just a sec
[11:58] <ubotu> firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-0ubuntu20 (breezy), Packaged size: 8268 kB, Installed size: 23932 kB
[11:58] <robotgeek> it's in main
[11:58] <asraniel> hi there, anybody knows how i can get some realy basic opengl support with a ati card? im not talking about the binary driver, doesnt work here. i need something that enables dri, even if its fake
[11:58] <kosh> lightweight? HAHAHAHAHAHA! ;)
[11:59] <robotgeek> asraniel, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:59] <robotgeek> and enable glx module?
[12:00] <__mikem> there are no ops in the dabian-bots room so anyone can abuse the bots and get away with it
[12:00] <r2> martin: i have # before every line
[12:00] <robotgeek> __mikem: no one cares
[12:00] <r2> is that ok?
[12:00] <samoura> i am traing to install a nvidia video car so follw those steps ->1 Select the System menu at the top of the screen. where is this system menu?
[12:00] <martin> EVERY line???
[12:00] <robotgeek> samoura: kmenu
[12:00] <samoura> okei
[12:00] <samoura> :D
[12:00] <r2> i'm seeing it with vim dunno if its from that :/
[12:01] <martin> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:01] <robotgeek> samoura: open a konsole, type "kdesu adept"
[12:01] <robotgeek> r2: vim should work just fine :)
[12:01] <martin> Heh
[12:01] <samoura> where is console ?
[12:01] <r2> text comments have ## and urls have only one # before them
[12:02] <r2> lol robo :D
[12:02] <samoura> where is console ?
[12:02] <robotgeek> samoura: alt + f2, Konsole
[12:02] <r2> robotgeek: is it normal to have # before the links on the sources.list file?
[12:03] <robotgeek> r2: not all