[12:04] dolson: tomorrow probably, yes... but the FTBFS dholbach found was on amd64 and should be easy to fix [12:05] dolson: I have ppc, if you really want me to check if it builds, I can. [12:06] dolson: just browsed over mx44... your debian/copyright is incomplete: see sse.h: "Copyright (C) 1999-2003 R. Fisher"... you should add that to debian/copyright === Arr0gance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-110-123.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Psi-Jack [n=psi-jack@cpe-70-112-220-160.austin.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [12:07] dolson: and probably ${misc:depends} is unneeded there as well... (just build it and if you have s.th. like unknow substitution variable ${misc:depends} in the buildlog, it's unneeded) [12:08] sistpoty: why do you want to remove ${misc:Depends} all the time? ;) it won't hurt and maybe one of the build-dependencies will use it in the future without you noticing it... [12:09] slomo: I don't consider it a real issue, if it's there... but imo it shouldn't be if it's not used ;) [12:10] slomo: perhaps my struggle for perfection :) [12:12] sistpoty: well... then leave it there please to prevent future problems :) [12:12] TheMuso: I guess it doesn't matter. I'm going to learn how to program in a few minutes so that I can fix upstream's screwups. while I'm in there, I'll mentally build the code in my head and see if it fails in PPC mode. [12:12] good night guys. [12:12] gn8 dholbach [12:12] bye dholbach.. thanks [12:12] de rien :) [12:13] night dholbach [12:13] gn8 dholbach :) [12:13] *Wave* [12:13] Bye dholbach. === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.217] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty is afk to eat s.th.... bbl === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-80-95-221.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:35] keyes: do you have your key exported to a keyserver? [12:36] no [12:36] i do ? [12:36] keyes: please do, otherwise I can't import your key for revu account ;) [12:36] ok ;) [12:36] keyserver.ubuntu.com ? [12:37] keyes: yes, that will do [12:38] sended [12:40] keyes: done [12:40] thanks [12:40] np [12:41] dput tabgrab_0.411-0ubuntu1_i386.changes ? [12:42] nope [12:42] build a source package [12:43] ok [12:43] dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa [12:44] GPG error: http://au.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key [12:44] anybody getting this for apt-get update at the moment? [12:44] no... but I'm on dapper [12:45] uploading ... [12:48] Successfully uploaded packages. [12:52] my error just "happens sometimes" nobody really know why. Oh well, no point in having security really. [12:52] im still with that pbuilder problem... [12:52] :| === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === infinito [n=infinito@VPNPOOL03-0035.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:44] dolson: just uploaded qmidiarp... please see the comments (there were no real issues, but some things can be improved, once you prepare a newer version, e.g. if a newer upstream version is present) [01:44] sistpoty: will do [01:45] args... qmidiroute was the package, not qmidiarp [01:47] sistpoty: I will write manpages, my main concern was getting things packaged asap. also, upstream I will contact, the guy didn't put copyrights in almost all of his projects. I don't know how to write a watch file, but I planned to learn that soon as well :) [01:47] dolson: watch file is pretty simple... (just see man uscan) [01:48] sistpoty: ok, I'll check that before I fix Mx44.. I started that, and then got distracted with personal hygiene [01:48] hehe [01:49] do I have to specify the file, or can I do a blanket, like "Portions Copyright: 2003.. blah blah blah" === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:50] dolson: please specify the file... (imo it's just sse.h that has a different author) [01:50] nah, there's mmx.h too [01:50] and I think another one === gus_ [n=gus@r200-125-58-66-dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] I blame Willem though, since I basically took his package and made it work.. mx44 was the first package I made [01:52] package from unstable? [01:52] nope, his own repo [01:52] it was like an add-on for DeMuDi [01:52] ah, k... because checks for unstable are pretty strict on copyright (as are for ubuntu)... [01:53] ioquake3 was rejected in debian/unstable from the new-queue, because not every file with a different license was listed in copyright ;) === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:56] sistpoty: do you know an example package I can check for the proper syntax? [01:56] off the top of your head [01:56] dolson: for a watch-file? or the copyright issue? [01:56] copyright [01:57] dolson: you might want to check quake3 on revu... that one has all that's necessary listed in debian/copyright afaik [01:57] k thanks [01:58] well, it's not exactly what you need... but I guess you'll get the idea ;) [02:02] heh [02:04] this is a pita without a mouse === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.14] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:05] dolson: You on the CLI or something? :) [02:05] TheMuso: my Microsoft Optical mouse crashed [02:06] I've been using Gnome's mouse keys for like 2 weeks [02:06] my fingers are very sore on my right hand [02:12] hi [02:12] hi Toadstool [02:12] hi Toadstool [02:12] is there a way to supersede a package that is waiting in NEW ? [02:14] imo by uploading a newer version [02:15] hum ok, and do you think that a debconf templates update is worth increasing the version number and uploading the packages ? [02:16] Toadstool: depends... if the previous one was really screwed up: yes... if not, I don't think so (as you can still fix this once the package is in the archive) [02:18] I mean the templates don't really respect the dev-reference and I've got some advice from the the debian l10n, and a few translations too... === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rcliii [n=rcliii@cpe-65-26-158-102.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:21] Toadstool: I'm undecided... I'd say it depends, wether you think it's worth the effort of overriding a package in new [02:21] Toadstool: OTOH the revu-queue is quite big as well... so I guess it'll be a little bit easier to find a sponsor once we're in FeatureFreeze ;) [02:22] yes, sure [02:22] besides I've not finished updating the templates [02:22] thanks for the answers sistpoty [02:23] np... though I don't know if I was much help right now ;) [02:23] time to go to bed, I've got a harsh day beginning in about 4 hours :/ [02:23] gn8 === dous [n=adpenara@efreet.edu.ms] has joined #ubuntu-motu === punkrockguy318 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:32] argh. upstream doesn't put version numbers :\ === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] hm? [02:35] http://hem.passagen.se/ja_linux/Mx44.tar.gz [02:35] look ma, no version! [02:35] hello MOTU's [02:36] I got a problem with mysql-server - could someone help me to verify if it's a bug or maybe I just got something nasty in my system? [02:36] the problem is that packages that use dbconfig-common doesn't work because there is wrong hostname [02:37] http://hem.passagen.se/ja_linux/Mx44(*).tar.gz works, but it renames the file to Mx44_44.tar.gz.. reading how to prevent that now [02:37] could someone install dbconfig based package - cacti for example and tell me if that works or not? === lifeless [n=robertc@static-147.29.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:37] dolson: yes, that's particularly evil... === lifeless [n=robertc@static-147.29.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:38] dolson: just leave the package w.o. watch-file ;) [02:38] k :) [02:42] so how are things looking for feature freeze this week? === ajmitch still has a package or two to upload that probably won't get reviewed in time [02:43] especially as it's on a box that's dead in the water [02:44] better fix the box ;) [02:44] sistpoty: I'm out of the country [02:44] oh, wenn will you be back? [02:45] sistpoty: mx44 uploaded. copyright should be good.. I hope! :) [02:45] so I'll probably just upload to debian & care about ubuntu in a few months [02:45] sistpoty: when I'm finished this coding job [02:45] dolson: I'll take a look at it... in a few minutes ;) [02:47] oh, well... seems like waiting for dapper+1 seems the way to go... or hope that the new queue won't get emptied and noone will notice yet another package slipping in ;) [02:47] yeah, it depends on whether I care enough about dapper [02:48] hehe [02:48] I've packaged a program for Ubuntu Dapper, what do I do with it? I'd like to see it in universe === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-56-145.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:48] punkrockguy318: 1) get a revu account 2) upload it to revu 3) wait some time to get it reviewed ;) [02:49] sistpoty: how can I do that? [02:49] we're going to have to put up some announcement saying that packages uploaded to REVU from this date won't make it into dapper [02:50] aw [02:50] most packages take a reasonable amount of fixing [02:50] this is a quite trivial package [02:50] punkrockguy318: if you're lucky, and you can fix any issues quickly, it might get in [02:50] the source is <300 lines [02:51] it's called detach.. detach .. the program you run will no longer depend on the lifespan of the xterm you ran it from [02:51] how's it different from nohup? [02:52] nohup? [02:52] yes [02:52] look it up, it's a standard part of most unix systems [02:53] your right [02:53] part of coreutils [02:53] looks pretty similar [02:53] nevermind [02:54] you can upload to revu if you wish, getting packaging feedback is still useful [02:54] some motus would probably still upload it, too === ajmitch notes there's also a 'dtach' program [02:55] it seems sort of redudant though, to have an extra package that does the same thing as a coreutil [02:55] pretty much [02:55] i wish i would have knew that command existed === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@c128159.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pietrus [n=pietrus@tor/session/x-683c918e31ac0bfd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch wonders why he bothers with selinux some days === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:28] all of a sudden others jump out of the woodwork [03:30] others? [03:30] the problem with selinux is its too hard [03:30] it doesnt just work [03:30] :) === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:36] Lathiat: sure, linux is "too hard" as well [03:36] :) === Lathiat just hasn't had the time to learn selinux [03:36] it looks great [03:36] so "no time" becomes "too hard" [03:36] yep :) [03:36] heh [03:37] that sort of attitude really does irritate me [03:37] too hard until i have time :) [03:37] ajmitch: let's just jump to the bling bandwagon... [03:37] jsgotangco: we need more shiny in selinux [03:37] it's too boring [03:37] selinux doesn't rotate [03:37] heh [03:37] joke [03:37] compiling your X server is fine, because it gets you bling [03:37] and girls [03:38] jsgotangco: hahaha [03:38] and a pony? [03:38] im laughign quite loud now [03:38] oh dear [03:38] sistpoty: of course [03:38] :) [03:38] girls? didn't work for me :( [03:38] ajmitch: so what does selinux do? [03:38] I really really need to be able to reply to mail on the mailing list [03:38] gmane wants me to reply to a mail for authorisation [03:39] useless sack of **** === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] hi crimsun [03:40] LaserJock: constrains processes to run in a least-privileged security context [03:40] LaserJock: ie !(bling) [03:40] hi ajmitch === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] it is unfortunate though, that some people blame selinux for their services not to work nicely [03:40] and just say "turn it off" [03:41] <_jason> will packages submitted to REVU still receive feedback even though they probably won't make it to dapper? I'm new to packaging and would like to get some experience packaging [03:41] ajmitch: so what makes it difficult? Too much to keep track of? crappy programs? [03:42] _jason: probably not as much as before FeatureFreeze, but I'll try to review a package from time to time (and I guess other MOTU's will do the same) [03:43] <_jason> sistpoty: cool, I'll look forward to your feedback [03:44] anyone know what package kjournald lives in? [03:44] AFAIk that is a kernel process. [03:45] right, but which kernel module deb does it live in? [03:45] it's a kernel thread [03:46] linux-image-2.6.15-6-k7 ;) [03:47] (for me) === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] old kernel ;) [03:47] (yeah, you meant 16 :) [03:48] oops, yeah... (actually still -15... but -6 must have been my (even more outdated) unstable) === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:54] hmmm, I guess I'll run through the source itself then [03:55] dolson: still around? mx44 is good (just uploaded); kaconnect has minor issues (no man-pages and unnecessary files installed to /usr/share/doc) maybe you could remove the files I named in the comments? [03:55] seth: have fun going through the kernel-source ;) [03:56] what's the issue with kjournald? === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:02] argh! my karma decreased! I know I had karma > 1000 and now I'm back at 999 *g* [04:02] hehe! [04:04] oh, wow, that's nice... my maintained sourcepackages, that are still in the new-queue are displayed at my package-page :) === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-56-145.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:13] sistpoty: yes, my few packages also show up [04:18] ohh, that is cool === ajmitch has basically no uploaded packages [04:20] hmm, I've got 2 uploaded and 1 maintained [04:21] but that's because I haven't uploaded for months === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-48-104.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:23] I'm probably the slackest MOTU around here === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === azeem [n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@203.89.166.100] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:26] hello guys I got a big propblem with mysql-server package and few related packages such as phpmyadmin... [04:26] could someone tell me if is there something wrong with mysql-server packages in dapper? [04:27] marcin`: no, haven't used it for some time [04:28] marcin`: if you've got problems with mysql-server, you might try asking infinity in #ubuntu-devel [04:28] is there any possibility that you could do something like [04:28] apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 phpmyadmin and verify if you can log into phpmyadmin? [04:29] marcin`: give me a few minutes pls. [04:29] ok [04:31] can somebody look at malone 29191 or 5612 and see if bugsx has anything to do with it. I don't see why it is in "Fix Requested In" [04:31] malone bug 29191 in bugsx "update-notifier pegs the cpu to 100% with reboot" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/29191 [04:32] confirmed that it has absolutely nothing to do with it. [04:34] I wonder how it got there [04:38] marcin`: doesn't work [04:39] with empty root password? [04:39] sistpoty: it should work with user 'root' and no password [04:39] marcin`: it just gives me an internal server error... and I've got root-pw for mysql set... [04:40] ok then could you go to /etc/phpmyadmin/ [04:40] marcin`: but I just saw that /var/run/mysqld is readable only for the mysql and root-user, and that's where the socket resides [04:41] sistpoty: and could you uncomment line containing: [04:41] sistpoty: $cfg['Servers'] [$i] ['host'] [04:41] sistpoty: and then set value of this variable to 'localhost.localdomain' ? [04:42] sistpoty: then phpmyadmin should work [04:43] marcin`: no... my problem is that I tweaked my apache-config... [04:43] marcin`: so for you phpmyadmin works with server set to localhost but not for the default value? [04:44] sistpoty: not exactly [04:44] sistpoty: default value is 'localhost' and it doesn't work [04:44] sistpoty: I have to set it to 'localhost.localdomain' and then it's ok [04:44] sistpoty: or... 127.0.0.1 [04:45] marcin`: yes, seems like a feature (to prefer socket over network)... and imo the problem is that the socket-directory is locked out... but I'll ask infinity about that [04:45] sistpoty: have no idea why but this problem is with few packages I could test... phpmyadmin, cacti, vtiger-crm [04:48] marcin`: thx for reporting the problem [04:48] sistpoty: anyway I need to sleep now... it's 4:48 here... but if you could get any info then please mail me marcin.antczak at gmail.com [04:48] marcin`: same time here ;)... I'll mail you if I get news.... [04:48] sistpoty: I need to resolve this as fast as possible while I would like to complete vtiger-crm bounty [04:49] sistpoty: before package freeze for dapper [04:49] marcin`: infinity just said, that it's a bug and he'll fix it [04:49] sistpoty: bug in mysql-server package? [04:50] marcin`: yes [04:50] sistpoty: ok then I'll keep my scripts unchanged and wait for new mysql-server package [04:50] sistpoty: any info when he could fix it? [04:51] marcin`: watch the changes-ml for a new mysql-package or just ask him in #ubuntu-devel ;) [04:51] sistpoty: ok, thank you very much and now I need to go to bed [04:51] sistpoty: night [04:52] gn8 marcin` === monzie [n=manish@220.226.58.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:30] wassup MOTU's ? [05:30] hi monzie [05:31] hi monzie and bmonty [05:32] and off topic remark [05:32] "motu" in my language is slang for fat people! [05:32] lovely === ajmitch is sure that no matter what word is chosen, it'll be offensive in some language :) [05:33] being rotund is a sign of wealth in some cultures. [05:33] yup crimsun [05:34] yehaa... 63kg with 1.80m in height, I just found out I'm fat :)... (I'll tell that to my gf, she always says I could use some extra weight *g*) [05:34] hmm, I just thought it was from sitting around staring at a computer screen for hours on edn === monzie is 22, 5'9" and 63, NOT FAT [05:35] damn, what is 5'9'' in meters? *g* [05:35] (it's pretty tall I figure) [05:35] LaserJock: no dude, that makes you smrt. === monzie forgot how to convert inches to cms [05:36] 2.54 [05:36] cms/in [05:36] then i am around 170 cms i guess [05:36] I'm a US scientist so I've got to convert inches to cm all the time :( [05:37] well, I'm 6'1" and 230 lbs. I'm not sure what the kg would be === Hobbsee gets random customers at work comign up and telling her that she's too thin.. it sucks! [05:38] Hobbsee: I wish I had the problem ;-) === monzie thinks beauty is in the eyes [05:38] hehe [05:38] it's very embarrasing! [05:38] Hobbsee: +1... I've had that experience ;) === monzie thinks if he inadvertadely converted #ubuntu-motu into #ubuntu-not-fatsos [05:39] LOL! [05:39] hehe [05:39] monzie: that's ok I'll be the token motu ;-) [05:39] yup LaserJock, the mascot! [05:39] LaserJock: you're not alone [05:40] ajmitch: pheww. I was starting to think I was surrounded by skinny people. :-) [05:40] no, anyone who's met me can attest that I'm not underweight ;) === monzie is a bit skinny [05:41] hehe [05:42] hmm, they people where I'm from tend to not me very small. [05:42] s/me/be/ [05:43] people from country average 175 cms [05:45] monzie: where is that? [05:45] India, LaserJock [05:46] http://flickr.com/photos/manish_chaks/92942279/ [05:46] ah, yes. You said that before I think. === monzie thinks the fat ... er.. motu's must be busy now with feature freeze approaching === Hobbsee discovered that her package got done by someone else, so isnt terribly busy now [05:49] ha === TheMuso is somewhat overweight he thinks. === monzie wishes if he was so lucky as Hobbsee [05:49] hehe === monzie wishes to package http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9037 [05:50] Hobbsee: lucky you === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:50] eep! that's one heck of a lot of files [05:51] i am trying to do E17 for Drake [05:51] ajmitch: i didnt mean it like that! thinking of testing out some more bug reports, maybe applying for membership - i'm sure i'll find something to do to keep busy [05:51] was trying to , until today [05:51] monzie: not anymore? :) === odla [n=root@S0106000625926fb6.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:52] what's the livecd installer called? [05:52] nope, ajmitch, i will miss the feature freeze anyway [05:52] odla: espresso [05:52] i restarted X and the icon disappeared and X got hung up [05:53] try startx and see odla [05:53] Hobbsee: maybe you can do something for BetterCJKSupport , :) [05:54] hehe [05:54] Hobbsee: u r welcome to do that . hehe [05:55] is it something i'd be able to do? === Hobbsee doesnt want to screw up her machine again and reinstall twice in 2 days! [05:56] screw up? === ajmitch hasn't had to reinstall ubuntu or debian yet === monzie installs almost everyday [05:57] ajmitch: one word. suse. [05:57] Hobbsee: my condolences === Hobbsee snorts, and declares that she will never try that again [05:58] but hey - i then went and rewrote the WPA documentation this morning, so it works first time - so all was not lost [05:58] ajmitch: i got E17 on the powerpack cd, maybe if i upload the cd somewhere, people can try it and see? [05:58] monzie: I'm not stopping you [05:59] but obviously i can upload the iso to REVU [05:59] i can't [05:59] ok === ajmitch can't help there === monzie knows [06:00] I have little/no bandwidth & storage space myself [06:01] me too, 4 kbps bandwidth here ajmitch, and getting an iso takes around 4 days! [06:01] wow [06:01] ajmitch: are you back home? [06:02] jsgotangco: nope [06:02] eh? brisbane work taking too long? [06:03] yeah [06:03] nasty windows CE.NET work [06:03] jsgotangco: are you going to be in brisbane anytime soon? [06:03] i always thought embedded work is ok regardless of platform [06:04] sure [06:04] ajmitch: 1st week of april [06:04] but I have to talk to the hardware directly from C#, doing all sorts of protocol hackery [06:04] ah, I'll be long gone by then :) [06:05] you haven't been hanging out with anyone there? [06:05] a few people I know here [06:05] mostly just working === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:06] im also a bit busy at work lately as well, we've just connected to the mobile content gateway that will connect most of the stuff to .au [06:06] nice [06:07] the backend is pretty much foss, but the content aren't [06:12] sistpoty: as I mentioned, I know the man page thing, I'll do them after.. I just had to decide if more software versus man pages that 90% of users won't read was more important. I'll fix the docs for kaconnect now and get it back up ASAP [06:14] dolson: great... actually I'm almost happy with the package the way it is... I just didn't want to remove LICENSE.txt and INSTALL (which shouldn't be in the binary package) w.o. hearing your opinion on it first [06:14] dolson: if it's ok, that I remove the two files, I'll upload right now [06:14] sistpoty: do you want to just do that? cool. lol [06:15] sistpoty: I was away. but I am taking notes so I become a better packager. I decided that I should eat some food today, so I got some fish and chips cooking.. should give me more fuel for packaging [06:15] hehe [06:17] dolson: the basic packaging is just fine, and you seem to care for your packages, so I think there is no real learning effect in having you upload just another time the package for a tiny change ;) [06:18] sistpoty: cool. I'm glad you see that in me. three weeks ago, if you had told me I'd be packaging debs, I woulda laughed in your face. :) [06:18] wow, for only three weeks, your packaging skills are amazing ;) [06:19] my packaging skills sucked after 3 months === odla [n=chris@S0106000625926fb6.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:19] well done on espresso! it works great! [06:19] It is just a matter of reading docs and examining other packages to get a better idea. [06:21] anyone know of a good ubuntu/linux compatible pcmcia wifi card that support WPA and all that jazz? [06:21] sistpoty: my first package was Feb. 10th, which I just added a man page and .desktop file to seq24 [06:24] wow, great... my first package (for home use) was probably 2 years ago... and still last year (when I started helping out in the motu-crew) I had to learn quite some lessons ;) [06:25] on feb 9th, I never thought I'd ever use anything more than checkinstall [06:25] I learnt packaging the hard way. Packaging software for myself and others on a distro that didn't enforce much in the way of standards, and no dependancy checking officially. i.e. Slackware. [06:25] chillywilly: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards [06:25] So officially, I have been doing packaging almost 2 and a half years. [06:26] chillywilly: i'm currently using a wg511 v2 card from china that works fine with ndiswrapper and WPA - and i fixed a lot of that documentation this morning [06:27] TheMuso: I never really liked slack [06:28] chillywilly: don't bya a 3com officeconnect 11g (3crwe154g72)... I have one and they changed the chipset to s.th. not atheros-compatible w.o. even considering to change the product-id [06:28] dolson: so by now you will have learnt that if you *do* use checkinstall we will lynch you :) [06:28] ajmitch: doesn't matter :) it's broken in dapper [06:28] yay! [06:28] long may it remain broken [06:28] I say leave it that way [06:29] ajmitch: what? there goes the Ubuntu Packaging Guide! ;-) j/k [06:29] haha === ajmitch looks for the tar & feathers [06:29] people were emailing me packages of Ardour and the like, telling me to put it into a 3rd party repo, and they did them with checkinstall.. I'm like, uh, no [06:31] dolson: Good on you. [06:31] One gets better packages if they are done the righ way, and to the distro's standards. [06:31] dolson: many people think that's all packaging consists of [06:31] s/righ/right/ [06:31] TheMuso: no, one doesn't just get better packages [06:31] TheMuso: not to mention IN the distro :) [06:31] one can get non-broken packages [06:32] that are repeatable [06:32] point [06:33] please enlighten me, what is checkinstall? (and do I want to know what it is? *g*) [06:33] imagine if a DD got into debian using checkinstall-created packages [06:33] sistpoty: build binary, put the output into a binary package & guess at dependencies & a control file [06:33] like stow for debian packages [06:33] ajmitch: does it even do that much? I've never seen deps for a checkinstall pkgs [06:34] dolson: I could be wrong there [06:34] oh... seems like s.th. suse must have used for it's early versions *g* [06:34] I assumed it did rudimentary checks for deps [06:34] but I've never used it myself [06:35] sistpoty: basically, you do something like ./configure ; make ; checkinstall and it makes a deb with the files inside. it's good in a bind, I suppose.. you could even install something like vmware or something with it, so you could apt-get remove vmware, but it's really a shoddy thing... It got me by for a while, but now that I know the basics of making real debs, I'll likely never use it for anything ever again [06:35] I've used it once or twice for my own personal use. [06:36] LaserJock: personal consumption is still illegal, you know ;) [06:36] Never used it, and never will. I have never liked autopackage utilities. [06:36] oh don't even mention autopackage [06:37] I meant any automated packaging utility, other than the helper serveices the devscripts etc provide. === ajmitch doesn't even touch dh_make these days [06:37] it's easy enough to build a .deb with no clue by using dh_make [06:38] and I find it annoying [06:38] dh_make is deprecated [06:38] it says so *itself* [06:38] lifeless: enough people use it still === sistpoty is a fan of dh_make [06:38] did I out myself right now? [06:38] I don't think dh-make is the one that is deprecated [06:39] there's another one that was used, which is [06:39] checkinstall! [06:39] quiet [06:40] hmm, think you are right [06:40] my confusion reigns supreme [06:41] well, I still prefer plain debhelper over cdbs... imo it gives you more fine-grained control what exactly to do... but maybe I'm just lacking of make-skills and the will to go through all cdbs rules [06:41] lifeless: ah, debmake was the one [06:41] sistpoty: cdbs is good if you understand it & can trace what it is doing [06:42] a large number of developers hate it, of course [06:42] I still hate it [06:43] mainly because it's a black box that requires black magic far too often [06:43] its the evil amalgam of bits I think. I'd really rather say 'debian/rules honours the targets' and chain *all* targets into python or something [06:43] but thats considered evil from what I'm told [06:43] sistpoty: about qamix, there was a typo in the copyright file I think.. it said asla instead of alsa. maybe you fixed it already? [06:43] sure [06:44]