[12:04] <slomo> dolson: tomorrow probably, yes... but the FTBFS dholbach found was on amd64 and should be easy to fix
[12:05] <TheMuso> dolson: I have ppc, if you really want me to check if it builds, I can.
[12:06] <sistpoty> dolson: just browsed over mx44... your debian/copyright is incomplete: see sse.h: "Copyright (C) 1999-2003 R. Fisher"... you should add that to debian/copyright
[12:07] <sistpoty> dolson: and probably ${misc:depends} is unneeded there as well... (just build it and if you have s.th. like unknow substitution variable ${misc:depends} in the buildlog, it's unneeded)
[12:08] <slomo> sistpoty: why do you want to remove ${misc:Depends} all the time? ;) it won't hurt and maybe one of the build-dependencies will use it in the future without you noticing it...
[12:09] <sistpoty> slomo: I don't consider it a real issue, if it's there... but imo it shouldn't be if it's not used ;)
[12:10] <sistpoty> slomo: perhaps my struggle for perfection :)
[12:12] <slomo> sistpoty: well... then leave it there please to prevent future problems :)
[12:12] <dolson> TheMuso: I guess it doesn't matter. I'm going to learn how to program in a few minutes so that I can fix upstream's screwups. while I'm in there, I'll mentally build the code in my head and see if it fails in PPC mode.
[12:12] <dholbach> good night guys.
[12:12] <sistpoty> gn8 dholbach
[12:12] <dolson> bye dholbach.. thanks
[12:12] <dholbach> de rien :)
[12:13] <ajmitch> night dholbach
[12:13] <slomo> gn8 dholbach :)
[12:13] <dholbach> *Wave*
[12:13] <TheMuso> Bye dholbach.
[12:35] <sistpoty> keyes: do you have your key exported to a keyserver?
[12:36] <keyes> no
[12:36] <keyes> i do ?
[12:36] <sistpoty> keyes: please do, otherwise I can't import your key for revu account ;)
[12:36] <keyes> ok ;)
[12:36] <keyes> keyserver.ubuntu.com ?
[12:37] <sistpoty> keyes: yes, that will do
[12:38] <keyes> sended
[12:40] <sistpoty> keyes: done
[12:40] <keyes> thanks
[12:40] <sistpoty> np
[12:41] <keyes> dput tabgrab_0.411-0ubuntu1_i386.changes ?
[12:42] <ajmitch> nope
[12:42] <ajmitch> build a source package
[12:43] <keyes> ok
[12:43] <keyes> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa
[12:44] <mr-russ> GPG error: http://au.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[12:44] <mr-russ> anybody getting this for apt-get update at the moment?
[12:44] <sistpoty> no... but I'm on dapper
[12:45] <keyes> uploading ...
[12:48] <keyes> Successfully uploaded packages.
[12:52] <mr-russ> my error just "happens sometimes" nobody really know why.  Oh well, no point in having security really.
[12:52] <Se7h> im still with that pbuilder problem...
[12:52] <Se7h> :|
[01:44] <sistpoty> dolson: just uploaded qmidiarp... please see the comments (there were no real issues, but some things can be improved, once you prepare a newer version, e.g. if a newer upstream version is present)
[01:44] <dolson> sistpoty: will do
[01:45] <sistpoty> args... qmidiroute was the package, not qmidiarp
[01:47] <dolson> sistpoty: I will write manpages, my main concern was getting things packaged asap. also, upstream I will contact, the guy didn't put copyrights in almost all of his projects. I don't know how to write a watch file, but I planned to learn that soon as well :)
[01:47] <sistpoty> dolson: watch file is pretty simple... (just see man uscan)
[01:48] <dolson> sistpoty: ok, I'll check that before I fix Mx44.. I started that, and then got distracted with personal hygiene
[01:48] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:49] <dolson> do I have to specify the file, or can I do a blanket, like "Portions Copyright: 2003.. blah blah blah"
[01:50] <sistpoty> dolson: please specify the file... (imo it's just sse.h that has a different author)
[01:50] <dolson> nah, there's mmx.h too
[01:50] <dolson> and I think another one
[01:51] <dolson> I blame Willem though, since I basically took his package and made it work.. mx44 was the first package I made
[01:52] <sistpoty> package from unstable?
[01:52] <dolson> nope, his own repo
[01:52] <dolson> it was like an add-on for DeMuDi
[01:52] <sistpoty> ah, k... because checks for unstable are pretty strict on copyright (as are for ubuntu)...
[01:53] <sistpoty> ioquake3 was rejected in debian/unstable from the new-queue, because not every file with a different license was listed in copyright ;)
[01:56] <dolson> sistpoty: do you know an example package I can check for the proper syntax?
[01:56] <dolson> off the top of your head
[01:56] <sistpoty> dolson: for a watch-file? or the copyright issue?
[01:56] <dolson> copyright
[01:57] <sistpoty> dolson: you might want to check quake3 on revu... that one has all that's necessary listed in debian/copyright afaik
[01:57] <dolson> k thanks
[01:58] <sistpoty> well, it's not exactly what you need... but I guess you'll get the idea ;)
[02:02] <ajmitch> heh
[02:04] <dolson> this is a pita without a mouse
[02:05] <TheMuso> dolson: You on the CLI or something? :)
[02:05] <dolson> TheMuso: my Microsoft Optical mouse crashed
[02:06] <dolson> I've been using Gnome's mouse keys for like 2 weeks
[02:06] <dolson> my fingers are very sore on my right hand
[02:12] <Toadstool> hi
[02:12] <dolson> hi Toadstool
[02:12] <sistpoty> hi Toadstool
[02:12] <Toadstool> is there a way to supersede a package that is waiting in NEW ?
[02:14] <sistpoty> imo by uploading a newer version
[02:15] <Toadstool> hum ok, and do you think that a debconf templates update is worth increasing the version number and uploading the packages ?
[02:16] <sistpoty> Toadstool: depends... if the previous one was really screwed up: yes... if not, I don't think so (as you can still fix this once the package is in the archive)
[02:18] <Toadstool> I mean the templates don't really respect the dev-reference and I've got some advice from the the debian l10n, and a few translations too...
[02:21] <sistpoty> Toadstool: I'm undecided... I'd say it depends, wether you think it's worth the effort of overriding a package in new
[02:21] <sistpoty> Toadstool: OTOH the revu-queue is quite big as well... so I guess it'll be a little bit easier to find a sponsor once we're in FeatureFreeze ;)
[02:22] <Toadstool> yes, sure
[02:22] <Toadstool> besides I've not finished updating the templates
[02:22] <Toadstool> thanks for the answers sistpoty
[02:23] <sistpoty> np... though I don't know if I was much help right now ;)
[02:23] <Toadstool> time to go to bed, I've got a harsh day beginning in about 4 hours :/
[02:23] <Toadstool> gn8
[02:32] <dolson> argh. upstream doesn't put version numbers :\
[02:34] <sistpoty> hm?
[02:35] <dolson> http://hem.passagen.se/ja_linux/Mx44.tar.gz
[02:35] <dolson> look ma, no version!
[02:35] <marcin`> hello MOTU's
[02:36] <marcin`> I got a problem with mysql-server - could someone help me to verify if it's a bug or maybe I just got something nasty in my system?
[02:36] <marcin`> the problem is that packages that use dbconfig-common doesn't work because there is wrong hostname
[02:37] <dolson> http://hem.passagen.se/ja_linux/Mx44(*).tar.gz works, but it renames the file to Mx44_44.tar.gz.. reading how to prevent that now
[02:37] <marcin`> could someone install dbconfig based package - cacti for example and tell me if that works or not?
[02:37] <sistpoty> dolson: yes,  that's particularly evil...
[02:38] <sistpoty> dolson: just leave the package w.o. watch-file ;)
[02:38] <dolson> k :)
[02:42] <ajmitch> so how are things looking for feature freeze this week?
[02:43] <ajmitch> especially as it's on a box that's dead in the water
[02:44] <sistpoty> better fix the box ;)
[02:44] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I'm out of the country
[02:44] <sistpoty> oh, wenn will you be back?
[02:45] <dolson> sistpoty: mx44 uploaded. copyright should be good.. I hope! :)
[02:45] <ajmitch> so I'll probably just upload to debian & care about ubuntu in a few months
[02:45] <ajmitch> sistpoty: when I'm finished this coding job
[02:45] <sistpoty> dolson: I'll take a look at it... in a few minutes ;)
[02:47] <sistpoty> oh, well... seems like waiting for dapper+1 seems the way to go... or hope that the new queue won't get emptied and noone will notice yet another package slipping in ;)
[02:47] <ajmitch> yeah, it depends on whether I care enough about dapper
[02:48] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:48] <punkrockguy318> I've packaged a program for Ubuntu Dapper, what do I do with it?  I'd like to see it in universe
[02:48] <sistpoty> punkrockguy318: 1) get a revu account 2) upload it to revu 3) wait some time to get it reviewed ;)
[02:49] <punkrockguy318> sistpoty: how can I do that?
[02:49] <ajmitch> we're going to have to put up some announcement saying that packages uploaded to REVU from this date won't make it into dapper
[02:50] <punkrockguy318> aw
[02:50] <ajmitch> most packages take a reasonable amount of fixing
[02:50] <punkrockguy318> this is a quite trivial package
[02:50] <ajmitch> punkrockguy318: if you're lucky, and you can fix any issues quickly, it might get in
[02:50] <punkrockguy318> the source is <300 lines
[02:51] <punkrockguy318> it's called detach.. detach <command>.. the program you run will no longer depend on the lifespan of the xterm you ran it from
[02:51] <ajmitch> how's it different from nohup?
[02:52] <punkrockguy318> nohup?
[02:52] <ajmitch> yes
[02:52] <ajmitch> look it up, it's a standard part of most unix systems
[02:53] <punkrockguy318> your right
[02:53] <ajmitch> part of coreutils
[02:53] <punkrockguy318> looks pretty similar
[02:53] <punkrockguy318> nevermind
[02:54] <ajmitch> you can upload to revu if you wish, getting packaging feedback is still useful
[02:54] <ajmitch> some motus would probably still upload it, too
[02:55] <punkrockguy318> it seems sort of redudant though, to have an extra package that does the same thing as a coreutil
[02:55] <ajmitch> pretty much
[02:55] <punkrockguy318> i wish i would have knew that command existed
[03:28] <ajmitch> all of a sudden others jump out of the woodwork
[03:30] <Lathiat> others?
[03:30] <Lathiat> the problem with selinux is its too hard
[03:30] <Lathiat> it doesnt just work
[03:30] <Lathiat> :)
[03:36] <ajmitch> Lathiat: sure, linux is "too hard" as well
[03:36] <Lathiat> :)
[03:36] <Lathiat> it looks great
[03:36] <ajmitch> so "no time" becomes "too hard"
[03:36] <Lathiat> yep :)
[03:36] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:37] <ajmitch> that sort of attitude really does irritate me
[03:37] <Lathiat> too hard until i have time :)
[03:37] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: let's just jump to the bling bandwagon...
[03:37] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: we need more shiny in selinux
[03:37] <ajmitch> it's too boring
[03:37] <jsgotangco> selinux doesn't rotate
[03:37] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:37] <jsgotangco> joke
[03:37] <ajmitch> compiling your X server is fine, because it gets you bling
[03:37] <ajmitch> and girls
[03:38] <Lathiat> jsgotangco: hahaha
[03:38] <sistpoty> and a pony?
[03:38] <Lathiat> im laughign quite loud now
[03:38] <Lathiat> oh dear
[03:38] <Lathiat> sistpoty: of course
[03:38] <sistpoty> :)
[03:38] <LaserJock> girls? didn't work for me :(
[03:38] <LaserJock> ajmitch: so what does selinux do?
[03:38] <ajmitch> I really really need to be able to reply to mail on the mailing list
[03:38] <ajmitch> gmane wants me to reply to a mail for authorisation
[03:39] <ajmitch> useless sack of ****
[03:39] <ajmitch> hi crimsun
[03:40] <ajmitch> LaserJock: constrains processes to run in a least-privileged security context
[03:40] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ie !(bling)
[03:40] <crimsun> hi ajmitch
[03:40] <jsgotangco> it is unfortunate though, that some people blame selinux for their services not to work nicely
[03:40] <jsgotangco> and just say "turn it off"
[03:41] <_jason> will packages submitted to REVU still receive feedback even though they probably won't make it to dapper?  I'm new to packaging and would like to get some experience packaging
[03:41] <LaserJock> ajmitch: so what makes it difficult? Too much to keep track of? crappy programs?
[03:42] <sistpoty> _jason: probably not as much as before FeatureFreeze, but I'll try to review a package from time to time (and I guess other MOTU's will do the same)
[03:43] <_jason> sistpoty: cool, I'll look forward to your feedback
[03:44] <seth> anyone know what package kjournald lives in?
[03:44] <TheMuso> AFAIk that is a kernel process.
[03:45] <seth> right, but which kernel module deb does it live in?
[03:45] <crimsun> it's a kernel thread
[03:46] <sistpoty> linux-image-2.6.15-6-k7 ;)
[03:47] <sistpoty> (for me)
[03:47] <crimsun> old kernel ;)
[03:47] <crimsun> (yeah, you meant 16 :)
[03:48] <sistpoty> oops, yeah... (actually still -15... but -6 must have been my (even more outdated) unstable)
[03:54] <seth> hmmm, I guess I'll run through the source itself then
[03:55] <sistpoty> dolson: still around? mx44 is good (just uploaded); kaconnect has minor issues (no man-pages and unnecessary files installed to /usr/share/doc) maybe you could remove the files I named in the comments?
[03:55] <sistpoty> seth: have fun going through the kernel-source ;)
[03:56] <crimsun> what's the issue with kjournald?
[04:02] <sistpoty> argh! my karma decreased! I know I had karma > 1000 and now I'm back at 999 *g*
[04:02] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[04:04] <sistpoty> oh, wow, that's nice... my maintained sourcepackages, that are still in the new-queue are displayed at my package-page :)
[04:13] <ajmitch> sistpoty: yes, my few packages also show up
[04:18] <LaserJock> ohh, that is cool
[04:20] <LaserJock> hmm, I've got 2 uploaded and 1 maintained
[04:21] <ajmitch> but that's because I haven't uploaded for months
[04:23] <ajmitch> I'm probably the slackest MOTU around here
[04:26] <marcin`> hello guys I got a big propblem with mysql-server package and few related packages such as phpmyadmin...
[04:26] <marcin`> could someone tell me if is there something wrong with mysql-server packages in dapper?
[04:27] <sistpoty> marcin`: no, haven't used it for some time
[04:28] <sistpoty> marcin`: if you've got problems with mysql-server, you might try asking infinity in #ubuntu-devel
[04:28] <marcin`> is there any possibility that you could do something like
[04:28] <marcin`> apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 phpmyadmin and verify if you can log into phpmyadmin?
[04:29] <sistpoty> marcin`: give me a few minutes pls.
[04:29] <marcin`> ok
[04:31] <LaserJock> can somebody look at malone 29191 or 5612 and see if bugsx has anything to do with it. I don't see why it is in "Fix Requested In"
[04:31] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29191 in bugsx "update-notifier pegs the cpu to 100% with reboot" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29191
[04:32] <crimsun> confirmed that it has absolutely nothing to do with it.
[04:34] <LaserJock> I wonder how it got there
[04:38] <sistpoty> marcin`: doesn't work
[04:39] <marcin`> with empty root password?
[04:39] <marcin`> sistpoty: it should work with user 'root' and no password
[04:39] <sistpoty> marcin`: it just gives me an internal server error... and I've got root-pw for mysql set...
[04:40] <marcin`> ok then could you go to /etc/phpmyadmin/
[04:40] <sistpoty> marcin`: but I just saw that /var/run/mysqld is readable only for the mysql and root-user, and that's where the socket resides
[04:41] <marcin`> sistpoty: and could you uncomment line containing:
[04:41] <marcin`> sistpoty: $cfg['Servers'] [$i] ['host'] 
[04:41] <marcin`> sistpoty: and then set value of this variable to 'localhost.localdomain' ?
[04:42] <marcin`> sistpoty: then phpmyadmin should work
[04:43] <sistpoty> marcin`: no... my problem is that I tweaked my apache-config...
[04:43] <sistpoty> marcin`: so for you phpmyadmin works with server set to localhost but not for the default value?
[04:44] <marcin`> sistpoty: not exactly
[04:44] <marcin`> sistpoty: default value is 'localhost' and it doesn't work
[04:44] <marcin`> sistpoty: I have to set it to 'localhost.localdomain' and then it's ok
[04:44] <marcin`> sistpoty: or... 127.0.0.1
[04:45] <sistpoty> marcin`: yes, seems like a feature (to prefer socket over network)... and imo the problem is that the socket-directory is locked out... but I'll ask infinity about that
[04:45] <marcin`> sistpoty: have no idea why but this problem is with few packages I could test... phpmyadmin, cacti, vtiger-crm
[04:48] <sistpoty> marcin`: thx for reporting the problem
[04:48] <marcin`> sistpoty: anyway I need to sleep now... it's 4:48 here... but if you could get any info then please mail me marcin.antczak at gmail.com
[04:48] <sistpoty> marcin`: same time here ;)... I'll mail you if I get news....
[04:48] <marcin`> sistpoty: I need to resolve this as fast as possible while I would like to complete vtiger-crm bounty
[04:49] <marcin`> sistpoty: before package freeze for dapper
[04:49] <sistpoty> marcin`: infinity just said, that it's a bug and he'll fix it
[04:49] <marcin`> sistpoty: bug in mysql-server package?
[04:50] <sistpoty> marcin`: yes
[04:50] <marcin`> sistpoty: ok then I'll keep my scripts unchanged and wait for new mysql-server package
[04:50] <marcin`> sistpoty: any info when he could fix it?
[04:51] <sistpoty> marcin`: watch the changes-ml for a new mysql-package or just ask him in #ubuntu-devel ;)
[04:51] <marcin`> sistpoty: ok, thank you very much and now I need to go to bed
[04:51] <marcin`> sistpoty: night
[04:52] <sistpoty> gn8 marcin`
[05:30] <monzie> wassup MOTU's ?
[05:30] <sistpoty> hi monzie
[05:31] <LaserJock> hi monzie and bmonty
[05:32] <monzie> and off topic remark
[05:32] <monzie> "motu" in my language is slang for fat people!
[05:32] <ajmitch> lovely
[05:33] <crimsun> being rotund is a sign of wealth in some cultures.
[05:33] <monzie> yup crimsun
[05:34] <sistpoty> yehaa... 63kg with 1.80m in height, I just found out I'm fat :)... (I'll tell that to my gf, she always says I could use some extra weight *g*)
[05:34] <LaserJock> hmm, I just thought it was from sitting around staring at a computer screen for hours on edn
[05:35] <sistpoty> damn, what is 5'9'' in meters? *g*
[05:35] <sistpoty> (it's pretty tall I figure)
[05:35] <crimsun> LaserJock: no dude, that makes you smrt.
[05:36] <LaserJock> 2.54
[05:36] <LaserJock> cms/in
[05:36] <monzie> then i am around 170 cms i guess
[05:36] <LaserJock> I'm a US scientist so I've got to convert inches to cm all the time :(
[05:37] <LaserJock> well, I'm 6'1" and 230 lbs. I'm not sure what the kg would be
[05:38] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I wish I had the problem ;-)
[05:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:38] <Hobbsee> it's very embarrasing!
[05:38] <sistpoty> Hobbsee: +1... I've had that experience ;)
[05:39] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[05:39] <sistpoty> hehe
[05:39] <LaserJock> monzie: that's ok I'll be the token motu ;-)
[05:39] <monzie> yup LaserJock, the mascot!
[05:39] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you're not alone
[05:40] <LaserJock> ajmitch: pheww. I was starting to think I was surrounded by skinny people. :-)
[05:40] <ajmitch> no, anyone who's met me can attest that I'm not underweight ;)
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:42] <LaserJock> hmm, they people where I'm from tend to not me very small.
[05:42] <LaserJock> s/me/be/
[05:43] <monzie> people from country average 175 cms
[05:45] <LaserJock> monzie: where is that?
[05:45] <monzie> India, LaserJock
[05:46] <monzie> http://flickr.com/photos/manish_chaks/92942279/
[05:46] <LaserJock> ah, yes. You said that before I think.
[05:49] <monzie> ha
[05:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:50] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: lucky you
[05:50] <Hobbsee> eep!  that's one heck of a lot of files
[05:51] <monzie> i am trying to do E17 for Drake
[05:51] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i didnt mean it like that!  thinking of testing out some more bug reports, maybe applying for membership - i'm sure i'll find something to do to keep busy
[05:51] <monzie> was trying to , until today
[05:51] <ajmitch> monzie: not anymore? :)
[05:52] <odla> what's the livecd installer called?
[05:52] <monzie> nope, ajmitch, i will miss the feature freeze anyway
[05:52] <monzie> odla: espresso
[05:52] <odla> i restarted X and the icon disappeared and X got hung up
[05:53] <monzie> try startx and see odla
[05:53] <freeflying> Hobbsee: maybe you can do something for BetterCJKSupport ,  :)
[05:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:54] <freeflying> Hobbsee: u r welcome to do that . hehe
[05:55] <Hobbsee> is it something i'd be able to do?
[05:56] <ajmitch> screw up?
[05:57] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: one word.  suse.
[05:57] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: my condolences
[05:58] <Hobbsee> but hey - i then went and rewrote the WPA documentation this morning, so it works first time - so all was not lost
[05:58] <monzie> ajmitch: i got E17 on the powerpack cd, maybe if i upload the cd somewhere, people can try it and see?
[05:58] <ajmitch> monzie: I'm not stopping you
[05:59] <monzie> but obviously i can upload the iso to REVU
[05:59] <monzie> i can't
[05:59] <ajmitch> ok
[06:00] <ajmitch> I have little/no bandwidth & storage space myself
[06:01] <monzie> me too, 4 kbps bandwidth here ajmitch, and getting an iso takes around 4 days!
[06:01] <jsgotangco> wow
[06:01] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: are you back home?
[06:02] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: nope
[06:02] <jsgotangco> eh? brisbane work taking too long?
[06:03] <ajmitch> yeah
[06:03] <ajmitch> nasty windows CE.NET work
[06:03] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: are you going to be in brisbane anytime soon?
[06:03] <jsgotangco> i always thought embedded work is ok regardless of platform
[06:04] <ajmitch> sure
[06:04] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: 1st week of april
[06:04] <ajmitch> but I have to talk to the hardware directly from C#, doing all sorts of protocol hackery
[06:04] <ajmitch> ah, I'll be long gone by then :)
[06:05] <jsgotangco> you haven't been hanging out with anyone there?
[06:05] <ajmitch> a few people I know here
[06:05] <ajmitch> mostly just working
[06:06] <jsgotangco> im also a bit busy at work lately as well, we've just connected to the mobile content gateway that will connect most of the stuff to .au
[06:06] <ajmitch> nice
[06:07] <jsgotangco> the backend is pretty much foss, but the content aren't
[06:12] <dolson> sistpoty: as I mentioned, I know the man page thing, I'll do them after.. I just had to decide if more software versus man pages that 90% of users won't read was more important. I'll fix the docs for kaconnect now and get it back up ASAP
[06:14] <sistpoty> dolson: great... actually I'm almost happy with the package the way it is... I just didn't want to remove LICENSE.txt and INSTALL (which shouldn't be in the binary package) w.o. hearing your opinion on it first
[06:14] <sistpoty> dolson: if it's ok, that I remove the two files, I'll upload right now
[06:14] <dolson> sistpoty: do you want to just do that? cool. lol
[06:15] <dolson> sistpoty: I was away. but I am taking notes so I become a better packager. I decided that I should eat some food today, so I got some fish and chips cooking.. should give me more fuel for packaging
[06:15] <sistpoty> hehe
[06:17] <sistpoty> dolson: the basic packaging is just fine, and you seem to care for your packages, so I think there is no real learning effect in having you upload just another time the package for a tiny change ;)
[06:18] <dolson> sistpoty: cool. I'm glad you see that in me. three weeks ago, if you had told me I'd be packaging debs, I woulda laughed in your face. :)
[06:18] <sistpoty> wow, for only three weeks, your packaging skills are amazing ;)
[06:19] <ajmitch> my packaging skills sucked after 3 months
[06:19] <odla> well done on espresso!  it works great!
[06:19] <TheMuso> It is just a matter of reading docs and examining other packages to get a better idea.
[06:21] <chillywilly> anyone know of a good ubuntu/linux compatible pcmcia wifi card that support WPA and all that jazz?
[06:21] <dolson> sistpoty: my first package was Feb. 10th, which I just added a man page and .desktop file to seq24
[06:24] <sistpoty> wow, great... my first package (for home use) was probably 2 years ago... and still last year (when I started helping out in the motu-crew) I had to learn quite some lessons ;)
[06:25] <dolson> on feb 9th, I never thought I'd ever use anything more than checkinstall
[06:25] <TheMuso> I learnt packaging the hard way. Packaging software for myself and others on a distro that didn't enforce much in the way of standards, and no dependancy checking officially. i.e. Slackware.
[06:25] <Hobbsee> chillywilly: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[06:25] <TheMuso> So officially, I have been doing packaging almost 2 and a half years.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> chillywilly: i'm currently using a wg511 v2 card from china that works fine with ndiswrapper and WPA - and i fixed a lot of that documentation this morning
[06:27] <dolson> TheMuso: I never really liked slack
[06:28] <sistpoty> chillywilly: don't bya a 3com officeconnect 11g (3crwe154g72)... I have one and they changed the chipset to s.th. not atheros-compatible w.o. even considering to change the product-id
[06:28] <ajmitch> dolson: so by now you will have learnt that if you *do* use checkinstall we will lynch you :)
[06:28] <dolson> ajmitch: doesn't matter :) it's broken in dapper
[06:28] <ajmitch> yay!
[06:28] <ajmitch> long may it remain broken
[06:28] <dolson> I say leave it that way
[06:29] <LaserJock> ajmitch: what? there goes the Ubuntu Packaging Guide! ;-) j/k
[06:29] <dolson> haha
[06:29] <dolson> people were emailing me packages of Ardour and the like, telling me to put it into a 3rd party repo, and they did them with checkinstall.. I'm like, uh, no
[06:31] <TheMuso> dolson: Good on you.
[06:31] <TheMuso> One gets better packages if they are done the righ way, and to the distro's standards.
[06:31] <ajmitch> dolson: many people think that's all packaging consists of
[06:31] <TheMuso> s/righ/right/
[06:31] <ajmitch> TheMuso: no, one doesn't just get better packages
[06:31] <dolson> TheMuso: not to mention IN the distro :)
[06:31] <ajmitch> one can get non-broken packages
[06:32] <ajmitch> that are repeatable
[06:32] <TheMuso> point
[06:33] <sistpoty> please enlighten me, what is checkinstall? (and do I want to know what it is? *g*)
[06:33] <ajmitch> imagine if a DD got into debian using checkinstall-created packages
[06:33] <ajmitch> sistpoty: build binary, put the output into a binary package & guess at dependencies & a control file
[06:33] <ajmitch> like stow for debian packages
[06:33] <dolson> ajmitch: does it even do that much? I've never seen deps for a checkinstall pkgs
[06:34] <ajmitch> dolson: I could be wrong there
[06:34] <sistpoty> oh... seems like s.th. suse must have used for it's early versions *g*
[06:34] <ajmitch> I assumed it did rudimentary checks for deps
[06:34] <ajmitch> but I've never used it myself
[06:35] <dolson> sistpoty: basically, you do something like ./configure ; make ; checkinstall and it makes a deb with the files inside. it's good in a bind, I suppose.. you could even install something like vmware or something with it, so you could apt-get remove vmware, but it's really a shoddy thing... It got me by for a while, but now that I know the basics of making real debs, I'll likely never use it for anything ever again
[06:35] <LaserJock> I've used it once or twice for my own personal use.
[06:36] <ajmitch> LaserJock: personal consumption is still illegal, you know ;)
[06:36] <TheMuso> Never used it, and never will. I have never liked autopackage utilities.
[06:36] <ajmitch> oh don't even mention autopackage
[06:37] <TheMuso> I meant any automated packaging utility, other than the helper serveices the devscripts etc provide.
[06:37] <ajmitch> it's easy enough to build a .deb with no clue by using dh_make
[06:38] <ajmitch> and I find it annoying
[06:38] <lifeless> dh_make is deprecated
[06:38] <lifeless> it says so *itself*
[06:38] <ajmitch> lifeless: enough people use it still
[06:38] <sistpoty> did I out myself right now?
[06:38] <ajmitch> I don't think dh-make is the one that is deprecated
[06:39] <ajmitch> there's another one that was used, which is
[06:39] <dolson> checkinstall!
[06:39] <ajmitch> quiet
[06:40] <lifeless> hmm, think you are right
[06:40] <lifeless> my confusion reigns supreme
[06:41] <sistpoty> well, I still prefer plain debhelper over cdbs... imo it gives you more fine-grained control what exactly to do... but maybe I'm just lacking of make-skills and the will to go through all cdbs rules
[06:41] <ajmitch> lifeless: ah, debmake was the one
[06:41] <ajmitch> sistpoty: cdbs is good if you understand it & can trace what it is doing
[06:42] <ajmitch> a large number of developers hate it, of course
[06:42] <lifeless> I still hate it
[06:43] <ajmitch> mainly because it's a black box that requires black magic far too often
[06:43] <lifeless> its the evil amalgam of bits I think. I'd really rather say 'debian/rules honours the targets' and chain *all* targets into python or something
[06:43] <lifeless> but thats considered evil from what I'm told
[06:43] <dolson> sistpoty: about qamix, there was a typo in the copyright file I think.. it said asla instead of alsa. maybe you fixed it already?
[06:43] <ajmitch> sure
[06:44] <ajmitch> in about the same way that cdbs is considered evil
[06:44] <ajmitch> except that debian/rules must be a makefile
[06:44] <ajmitch> (according to policy, anyway)
[06:44] <sistpoty> dolson: qamix was already uploaded (by siretart?)
[06:45] <dolson> sistpoty: yeah, but there was a typo in it. perhaps he fixed the typo for me, not sure
[06:45] <dolson> sistpoty: also, jdelay changes are cool with me, I knew there was one at least that I forgot to change the section... I can modify the description too
[06:45] <sistpoty> dolson: no, I didn't... but it's already on your +packages-page on LP... I didn't upload it again
[06:47] <sistpoty> dolson: please do and upload again (I could do it, but I'm getting really tired right now, and this might result in even more foo *g*)
[06:47] <dolson> cool, I shall do it now
[06:47] <sistpoty> :)
[06:47] <lifeless> ajmitch: I mean:
[06:47] <lifeless> %::
[06:48] <lifeless>         cdbs3 $@
[06:48] <lifeless> bah
[06:48] <lifeless> me tries again
[06:48] <lifeless> %::
[06:48] <lifeless>         cdbs3 $@
[06:48] <dolson> sistpoty: jdelay fix uploaded
[06:48] <lifeless> ^^^ that, with the spaces a \t
[06:48] <ajmitch> lifeless: still looks like black-box magic which people don't like cdbs for
[06:48] <sistpoty> dolson: will look at it (and upload) in about 5 mins ;)
[06:49] <lifeless> ajmitch: or possibly .DEFAULT is better.
[06:49] <dolson> sistpoty: yup, go suck your cancer stick :)
[06:49] <sistpoty> hehe
[06:49] <ajmitch> another smoking BOF?
[06:49] <lifeless> ajmitch: there is a significant difference: this forwards all rules
[06:49] <lifeless> ajmitch: rather than having some rules in make and some rules forwarded to shell or perl or ..
[06:50] <lifeless> ajmitch: so debugging it is conceptually a lot simpler
[06:50] <ajmitch> have you had time to work on this idea?
[06:50] <ajmitch> I'm sure that rules in python would be nice for a lot of tasks
[06:50] <lifeless> me? spare time? muhahaha
[06:50] <ajmitch> I'm surprised you managed to sneak time for irc in here :)
[06:50] <lifeless> I'm procrastinating
[06:51] <ajmitch> near the end of the 'working day'? :)
[06:51] <lifeless> no, brain did a temporary meltdown
[06:51] <lifeless> and I need to figure out what the next step in the versionedfile merge is
[06:51] <ajmitch> right
[06:53] <ajmitch> hm, I wonder if it'll be possible to search for people on launchpad by location in the future
[06:55] <dolson> fbond|away: you ever coming back man?
[06:55] <ajmitch> so that I can harass him about bug info
[07:00] <sistpoty> dolson: jdelay uploaded :)
[07:01] <dolson> sistpoty: sweet! vcf-plugins is sitting there, ready to go I believe. even though daniel advocated it twice, lol
[07:02] <sistpoty> dolson: ok, but this is my last review for tonight... dawn is already breaking right here :)
[07:02] <dolson> sistpoty: go to sleep if you like :) it will be there tomorrow
[07:02] <TheMuso> You guys put in some crazy hours.
[07:03] <ajmitch> sigh, some people should be banned from the lists at times
[07:03] <ajmitch> or I need more patience
[07:03] <sistpoty> dolson: if it's as good as the your other packages, review won't take too long ;)
[07:03] <ajmitch> TheMuso: some of the MOTUs do, anyway
[07:03] <ajmitch> the rest of us just sit back in awe :)
[07:03] <TheMuso> ajmitch: I have gathered. You don't see me out of bed any later than 12:30 AM most days.
[07:03] <ajmitch> and enjoy a full night's sleep
[07:04] <TheMuso> I need my sleep. :)
[07:04] <ajmitch> TheMuso: I'm out of bed by 6AM or so, but that's for work
[07:04] <TheMuso> Most nights it is 11:30 or so.
[07:04] <TheMuso> I know what you mean.
[07:07] <sistpoty> hehe
[07:07] <dolson> sistpoty: I'm very greatful to you guys for clearing a lot of my stuff out of REVU today. there are a few pkgs left, one relies on dssi-dev to be sync'd (or whatever), and one of the others FTBFS on x86_64 right now, so this is great. again, much thanks
[07:07] <sistpoty> thanks for your contribution, dolson ;)
[07:08] <dolson> I did it all for the nookie
[07:09] <ajmitch> sistpoty: great, so you can do all my MOTU work as well?
[07:09] <sistpoty> ajmitch: I can try, but I'll fail horribly ;)
[07:10] <ajmitch> haha
[07:10] <ajmitch> nah, you've been doing a good job of it so far
[07:11] <ajmitch> hi viv	
[07:11] <ajmitch> hm
[07:12] <crimsun> vcf-plugins looks fine. I'd tidy debian/control (specifically whitespace in the long description)
[07:12] <sistpoty> ajmitch: thx :)
[07:12] <ajmitch> ssh too lagged even for tab completion
[07:12] <sistpoty> crimsun, dolson: I'm not quite sure about the shared-objects being intalled... just trying to figure about ladspa-sdk
[07:13] <dolson> sistpoty: ladspa plugins are .so files
[07:14] <sistpoty> dolson: are these used in another package?
[07:14] <dolson> sistpoty: any audio app that supports ladspa plugs can use these
[07:15] <dolson> see also swh-plugins, tap-plugins, mcp-plugins, etc
[07:17] <crimsun> afaic, I'll advocate it as soon as that very minor whitespace adjustment is made
[07:17] <sistpoty> dolson: so they need to contain certain interfaces, right? what if these interfaces change?
[07:17] <dolson> sistpoty: interfaces? not sure what you mean by that..
[07:18] <sistpoty> dolson: I guess if I want to use that plugin, I dlopen the shared object and call some functions there... right till that point?
[07:19] <TheMuso> sistpoty: Thats right. THey conform to the ladspa API, http://www.ladspa.org
[07:19] <dolson> sistpoty: no idea :) for instance, any ladspa plugin will get listed in, say, Ardour, or Audacity. Each app will provide a different GUI for the plugin, allowing you to control the various parameters. how it uses it, I'm not real sure, but Om uses the vcf plugins to generate tones and whatnot, and I tested it, so I know they do work
[07:19] <TheMuso> That API has not changed for a few years now AFAIK, but it could.
[07:20] <TheMuso> If it were to change, every application that uses ladspa would have to update the code, and be rebuilt. Same with the plugins.
[07:20] <ajmitch> I think it's a fairly stable ABI for LADSPA plugins
[07:20] <dolson> ladspa is kinda outdated in a way, as DSSI is much improved, but ladspa stuff is still useful
[07:21] <TheMuso> But as the name suggests, dssi is disposable.
[07:21] <dolson> dssi is still very new but is the way of the future, and from what I'm told, it's easier to develop plugins with
[07:22] <sistpoty> TheMuso: but if the interface would change, you wouldn't notice it until you use the app that uses the plugin (and see that it fails)...
[07:22] <dolson> crimsun, fixed it.
[07:23] <TheMuso> sistpoty: Yeah I know.
[07:23] <sistpoty> ajmitch: what do you think about that... the package has only a dependency on libc6. is that wrong/uncommon?
[07:24] <TheMuso> sistpoty: You mean the plugins? That doesn't seem wrong to me.
[07:24] <dolson> sistpoty: it's a single .c source file, with 4 includes in it
[07:24] <TheMuso> For example:
[07:24] <TheMuso> (dapper)luke@lars:~$ apt-cache depends tap-plugins
[07:24] <TheMuso> tap-plugins Depends: libc6
[07:25] <sistpoty> OTOH it isn't a shared library... so it wouldn't need to be handled by shlibdeps and stuff... but still it seams kind of wrong to me ;)
[07:25] <sistpoty> (but maybe I shouldn't try to figure this if I really should be in bed *g*)
[07:25] <dolson> heh, sleep on it
[07:26] <dolson> sistpoty: the source code was last modified in 2002
[07:26] <dolson> if that tells you anything about the stability of the ABI or whatever you're talking about
[07:27] <crimsun> dolson: fixed locally or uploaded, too?
[07:27] <sistpoty> dolson: my concern doesn't really depend on the sourcecode, but rather upon dependency changing if ladspa-interface would change
[07:27] <dolson> crimsun: up'd
[07:27] <sistpoty> dolson: but anyway, everything else is fine, so I think I'll leave it up to crimsun, to decide and hurry into bed (since I can't get a clear though on this right now)
[07:28] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[07:29] <ajmitch> night
[07:31] <crimsun> dolson: Provides: ladspa-plugin
[07:33] <nonick> neone working in canonical here ?
[07:33] <dolson> crimsun: fixed, up'd. sorry 'bout that..
[07:33] <nonick> hi crimsun
[07:33] <crimsun> nonick: hi
[07:34] <nonick> crimsun this is pappan
[07:34] <nonick> :)
[07:37] <zakame> hi MOTUs :d
[07:37] <zakame> *:D
[07:37] <crimsun> hi zak
[07:38] <zakame> hello crimsun
[07:38] <zakame> hi ajmitch_
[07:38] <crimsun> dolson: the final thing I'd suggest is making it clear in the short description that vcf-plugins is a set of LADSPA plugins (to bring it in line with other -plugins packages so apt-cache search ladspa-plugin returns more uniform results)
[07:40] <crimsun> ...and there go my uni's DNS servers. Sigh.
[07:41] <dolson> crimsun: fixed, up'd
[07:44] <crimsun> looks good, advocating.
[07:45] <dolson> thanks :)
[07:47] <crimsun> see you guys later today.
[07:48] <dolson> cya
[07:48] <zakame> bye crimsun ! :D
[07:52] <ajmitch> hi zakame
[08:03] <LaserJock_away> hi minghua
[08:04] <minghua> hi LaserJock
[08:04] <minghua> LaserJock: seen you busy with bug triaging :-)
[08:06] <LaserJock_away> I tried. I am going to send a bit of a summary to the ubuntu-science list when I get some time tomorrow
[08:07] <LaserJock_away> I'm going to go back through the list that I had before and see which packages no longer have any bugs.
[08:11] <LaserJock_away> lol, I think I just found on the Rosetta site that I could translate English to English(United States)
[08:12] <LaserJock_away> and I thought I'd never get to do any translating ;-)
[08:12] <ajmitch> heh
[08:12] <minghua> actually sometimes useful :-)
[08:12] <jsgotangco> yeah jack up your karma
[08:12] <ajmitch> MORE SHINY!!
[08:12] <minghua> no, no, I didn't mean that, although karma won't hurt
[08:13] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, nice hype job though, but it seems he's having a hard time packaging?
[08:14] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: he just started learning
[08:14] <zakame> don't forget the invention of peanut butter
[08:14] <minghua> well, I am quite accustomed to users giving checkinstalled .debs a warm welcome
[08:14] <LaserJock_away> well, I wanted to have more karma than sabdfl so maybe I should do some en(US) translations ;-)
[08:16] <ajmitch> I appreciate that someone wants to package e17 though
[08:16] <LaserJock_away> yeah, but that is one heck of a first packaging project
[08:17] <ajmitch> I'd say
[08:17] <ajmitch> he still wants to give people an iso to test at the moment
[08:18] <minghua> I heard that he already uploaded it to the ubuntu-cn servers?
[08:18] <zakame> hmm
[08:19] <zakame> I was scared seeing the general though :/
[08:19] <ajmitch> minghua: not afaik
[08:19] <jsgotangco> zakame, lol
[08:19] <ajmitch> it was suggested that he use that server
[08:19] <minghua> ajmitch: good to hear that
[08:19] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[08:19] <jsgotangco> rss-glx isn't dowloading from the archives
[08:20] <zakame> hmm I almost read that as a glx-enabled rss reader, dang I need some coke
[08:21] <TheMuso> I got it from the archives earlier I think when I updated one of my dapper installs.
[08:22] <jsgotangco> ok changing archives might work
[08:22] <jsgotangco> it gets stuck at 51%
[08:23] <zakame> same here, got that yesterday
[08:29] <dolson> I missed something about e17 and checkinstall I guess
[08:29] <ajmitch> dolson: not a lot
[08:30] <Toadstool> hi MOTUs
[08:30] <zakame> heya monzie
[08:31] <monzie> heya zakame
[08:31] <dolson> morning dholbach!
[08:31] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[08:31] <dholbach> hello dolson, ajmitch, everybody else!
[08:31] <TheMuso> Hey dholbach.
[08:31] <ajmitch> dholbach: have you sent the UVF requests to mdz yet? there's a new f-spot release RSN :)
[08:31] <zakame> heya dholbach !
[08:31] <zakame> hey Toadstool !
[08:32] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach!
[08:32] <dholbach> ajmitch: not yet, I will have to discuss with him later something else anyway, going to poke him
[08:32] <dholbach> hey zakame, Hobbsee
[08:32] <ajmitch> ok
[08:32] <dholbach> how are you all?
[08:32] <TheMuso> Well thanks.
[08:32] <TheMuso> I have got orca packaged, including a pbuilder test.
[08:33] <TheMuso> But if I run it from the GNOME run dialog, it crashes gnome-panel, but from a terminal it runs fine. :)
[08:33] <TheMuso> Go figure.
[08:33] <dolson> lol
[08:33] <TheMuso> But it is speaking.
[08:33] <zakame> hehe
[08:34] <dholbach> gar!
[08:34] <ajmitch> garrr!
[08:34] <dholbach> That's something you should discuss with upstream.
[08:34] <zakame> w00t
[08:34] <TheMuso> hmmm. Yeah.
[08:34] <dholbach> Is somebody else's network manager acting odd?
[08:34] <dholbach> ajmitch: when I had my first coffee, we can talk about rum ;)
[08:35] <ajmitch> hehe
[08:35] <jsgotangco> something is blocking rss-glx from being downloaded from the archive
[08:35] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: how so?
[08:36] <jsgotangco> im updating 2 machines and both of theym stop at 51% with that package
[08:36] <jsgotangco> dunno i'll try it again
[08:37] <ajmitch> I blame your proxy
[08:37] <jsgotangco> but all the others come in?
[08:37] <ajmitch> these things happen
[08:40] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: all I can say is 'works for me'
[08:41] <ajmitch> just did apt-get update & fetching rss-glx with no problems
[08:41] <jsgotangco> okies
[08:43] <jsgotangco> manuall installing it works though
[08:56] <ajmitch> night all
[08:56] <Hobbsee> night ajmitch
[08:56] <dolson> cya ajmitch
[08:57] <jsgotangco> later
[08:59] <zakame> bye ajmitch
[09:27] <tepsipakki> siretart: I uploaded a new gtkpod-aac to REVU yesterday, but it got lost
[09:28] <tepsipakki> dput says now it is already uploaded, so reuploading doesn't help
[09:49] <viviersf> erm
[09:49] <viviersf> is 'restricked' part of universe
[09:49] <viviersf> or is it plain ubuntu ?
[09:49] <dholbach> viviersf: no
[09:50] <dholbach> restricted is restricted, main is main, universe is universe and multiverse multiverse
[09:50] <dholbach> the former two are 'supported' (on CDs, DVDs), the latter not
[09:50] <lifeless> and never the twain shall meat
[09:53] <zakame> never?!?
[09:56] <dolson> mmm, meat
[10:06] <Tonio_> yop
[10:11] <siretart> tepsipakki: you did upload that as binary, not as source. binary uploads are ignored
[10:12] <tepsipakki> oh f..
[10:12] <siretart> morning, btw
[10:12] <siretart> tepsipakki: I moved your upload to rejected, you may reupload now
[10:12] <zakame> morning siretart
[10:12] <siretart> huhu zakame
[10:14] <tepsipakki> siretart: ok, debuild didn't generate a sources.changes file without -S.. I needed to build a binary for testing so didn't use -S
[10:15] <tepsipakki> and mistakenly uploaded the binary
[10:18] <Tonio_> zakame: netswitch packaged....... I'm working on gnetswitch at 12, and knetswitch toonight ;)
[10:19] <zakame> Tonio_: rocking!  Even more with xchat-gnome's notification :D
[10:19] <Tonio_> hehe
[10:19] <Tonio_> it is exceptionnal for me to package a gtk application.... first time I think ;)
[10:20] <siretart> tepsipakki: I assumed something like that. no problem
[10:21] <tepsipakki> and good morning =)
[10:24] <Tonio_> zakame: didn't you revu kleansweep yesterday ? I saw you tlking about that ;)
[10:25] <zakame> Tonio_: yeah I was supposed to, actually I've the notes here, will post them later (moving to office in a bit ;)
[10:34] <TheMuso> siretart: Thanks.
[10:35] <dholbach> TheMuso: did you upload orca to revu too?
[10:40] <TheMuso> dholbach: Doing it now.
[10:40] <dholbach> TheMuso: cool, I'll take a look
[10:40] <TheMuso> It is up.
[10:42] <TheMuso> dholbach: Some stuff, ie the description and some deps were ripped out or your original attempt.
[10:42] <dholbach> TheMuso: cool *looking*
[10:43] <dholbach> TheMuso: Man! Not bad! :)
[10:45] <dolson> when does Ubuntu Fuzzy Ferret come out?
[10:46] <dholbach> hehe :)
[10:46] <TheMuso> dolson: ?
[10:47] <dholbach> TheMuso: you have my vote!
[10:47] <dholbach> TheMuso: as soon as you got another one, I'll upload it.
[10:48] <TheMuso> Ok.
[10:48] <TheMuso> dholbach: Thanks heaps. YOu got me all nervous. :)
[10:48] <dholbach> nervous? :)
[10:49] <dholbach> So everybody: review TheMuso's package and approve it! The a11y team will be happy with you.
[10:49] <TheMuso> Yeah. I have tons of respect for all of you. I don't feel that I am up to standard yet. :)
[10:51] <dholbach> TheMuso: you rock and everybody should be happy with the work you do!
[10:52] <TheMuso> I haven't done anything yet.
[10:52] <TheMuso> btw, I worked out how the gfxboot passes on the accessibility option chosen.
[10:55] <dholbach> Oh nice.
[10:56] <TheMuso> So I hope to spend some time over the next few days working out gconf settings.
[10:56] <dolson> TheMuso: you should package LinuxSampler and Qsampler next, fbond seems to not be coming back :(
[10:56] <dolson> oh, gconf. I see.
[10:56] <TheMuso> dolson: Totally different issue.
[10:57] <TheMuso> I am a member of the accessibility team, and we are trying to work out the settings needed for a few different accessibility profiles for the live cd.
[10:57] <tepsipakki> ok, hopefully last upload of gtkpod-aac is now in REVU, enjoy ;)
[10:58] <TheMuso> dolson: I will have a look at linuxsampler if you want. I thought that was your baby.
[10:59] <dolson> TheMuso: I was just kidding around. :) your work is probably more important.. at least  it sounds like it.
[10:59] <allee> Hi, digikam-doc and digikamimageplugins-doc was never sync from debian.  I assume because it's in nonfree (GFDL, + 'with no Invariant Sections, with no Front-Cover Texts, and with no Back-Cover Texts')
[10:59] <dholbach> dolson: what is linuxsampler about?
[11:00] <TheMuso> dholbach: t is an audio sampler, with the ability to read and play proprietary gigsaampler files AFAIK.
[11:00] <TheMuso> btw, how do I recover my password for revu?
[11:00] <dolson> dholbach: it's a program that can load Gigasampler sound sample banks and have the sounds triggered by MIDI
[11:00] <allee> Is an exception for an upload still possible.  Whom to ask?
[11:00] <dholbach> TheMuso: type your username, without password, hit send
[11:00] <dholbach> TheMuso: then hit recover
[11:01] <TheMuso> Thanks.
[11:01] <dholbach> dolson, TheMuso: sounds nice
[11:01] <dolson> dholbach: qsampler is the Qt (ick!) gui for it
[11:01] <dolson> it is on mentors.d.n, but the .diff is ginormous
[11:01] <dholbach> do we have a different nice and simple recording tool? (i use audacity momentarily)
[11:02] <dolson> I used Audacity to record all of my songs (except for one)
[11:02] <siretart> are there versioned dependencies in rpm packages?
[11:02] <dholbach> dolson: I tried to get marlin going, but it FTBFS and explodes all the time, which is a shame :/
[11:02] <dolson> dholbach: Audacity, Rezound, TimeMachine, and... Ardour (not really "simple" but it's awesome)
[11:03] <dholbach> http://marlin.sf.net
[11:03] <dholbach> gnome, gstreamer based
[11:03] <dholbach> but it's orphaned, I fear
[11:04] <dolson> hmm, no JACK support :(
[11:04] <dolson> dholbach: do you make music?
[11:05] <dholbach> dolson: I DJ a bit and make 'mixtapes' to listen to while working and to train my hearing :-)
[11:05] <dolson> siretart: ? is there a new JACK out?
[11:05] <dolson> dholbach: like, techno DJ, or wedding DJ?
[11:05] <dholbach> haha, wedding - that's funny :-)
[11:05] <siretart>       jack | 3.1.1+cvs20050801-3 |      unstable | source, i386
[11:05] <siretart>       jack |   3.1.1-14 |        dapper | source, amd64, i386, powerpc
[11:05] <dholbach> dolson: Drum'n'Bass
[11:06] <TheMuso> dholbach, dolson, I am also a musician.
[11:06] <dolson> oh, lol, that jack
[11:06] <siretart> dholbach: I've seen the debian changelog mentions quite a lot of fixed bugs
[11:06] <TheMuso> Have done a bit of DJing in the past, not the beatmixing type, and also sing and play piano.
[11:06] <siretart> but I have to investigate the changes. tbm (the maintainer) is usually quite careful, though
[11:06] <dolson> siretart: that's the CD ripper you're talking about
[11:06] <dholbach> TheMuso: wow, cool - I didn't know
[11:07] <dolson> I wish I could play piano! luckily I got this fancy thing for my guitar, so I can play piano notes (or anything MIDI) by playing my guitar :D
[11:07] <dholbach> That's cool :-)
[11:07] <TheMuso> dolson: Cheating. :)
[11:08] <dholbach> TheMuso: DJing with records or CDs?
[11:08] <TheMuso> I love being able to play chords and melody at the same time. :)
[11:08] <TheMuso> anyway, thats OT for here. :)
[11:08] <TheMuso> dholbach: CDs.
[11:08] <TheMuso> Records too bulky unfortunately.
[11:09] <marcin`> hello MOTUS
[11:09] <dholbach> hey marcin`
[11:10] <marcin`> short question - what is an url to website with package changes for dapper?
[11:10] <dholbach> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes
[11:10] <lionelp> can someone have a look on : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1899
[11:15] <dolson> dholbach: audacity is really very good. it can do a lot more than I once thought it could.. here's what one of my projects looks like in Audacity: http://aslan.homelinux.com/dana/images/audacity-shot.png
[11:15] <TheMuso> dolson: You done much with ardour?
[11:16] <dolson> TheMuso: I just started to look at it when I started up the ubuntu studio wiki
[11:16] <Toadstool> hi guys
[11:16] <dholbach> dolson: I just use it to record *one* track and export it to .ogg :-)
[11:16] <dolson> dholbach: it gets real slow once you hit 12-13 tracks on my hardware
[11:16] <Toadstool> lionelp: I'm not a MOTU or even a member but I think you should set compat to 5, update your control according to this and use the latest Standards-Version in it
[11:16] <dholbach> dolson: What I like is the volume per channel preview thingie
[11:18] <dolson> TheMuso: I did one "remix" which turned more into a cover song, using Ardour. I had tried it before, but had very bad luck in Breezy.. Ardour kept giving a ton of buzzing and stuff, and well, that's when I started bugging Mark about better supporting musicians
[11:18] <dolson> to which he replied, bugger off twit
[11:19] <dholbach> can somebody translate "bugger off twit"? :)
[11:19] <dolson> I will. he said "daniel, tell him about revu and make him learn."
[11:19] <dholbach> Hehe :)
[11:20] <dholbach> dolson: You did awesome work in just some weeks.
[11:21] <dolson> my 11th day as a MOTU-wannabe
[11:21] <TheMuso> dolson: I must say when I used it for a mixdown project a few years ago, I was using a very highly tweaked Slackware install, witha low latency 2.4 kernel. I had at least 6-8 tracks going, and no probs at all. I was also using a minimal window manager to keep resources down.
[11:21] <dolson> TheMuso: that's cool. do you have any tunes online I could check out?
[11:22] <TheMuso> dolson: No, this was for a big band I was in, and I don't have the material any more.
[11:22] <TheMuso> I haven't really done much in the way of music for a few years, in terms of composition.
[11:22] <TheMuso> I intend to record/compose this year though.
[11:26] <dolson> I keep planning to record new songs, but I have been busy with packaging mostly and working on my wiki
[11:29] <dolson> yeah, I know, that spacey, what a character!
[11:30] <spacey> :o
[11:30] <siretart> dolson: you can still prepare a patch for libpam and attach that to a pam report. some core developer can than decide to sponsor your upload
[11:30] <dolson> oh, he is here now
[11:31] <spacey> ;(
[11:31] <dolson> siretart: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/17348
[11:31] <Ubugtu> malone bug 17348 in pam libpam0g "Please add support for RT prio & nice rlimits" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] 
[11:33] <siretart> dolson: this is all what is needed: http://librarian.launchpad.net/1557675/pam-0.79-rlimits.patch?
[11:33] <dolson> yeah
[11:34] <dolson> it'd be good if bash and glibc were patched too, but the pam patch there is sufficient. I have been using it since.. whatever day I discovered that stuff
[11:35] <dolson> pam 0.80 already has that stuff built in
[11:37] <dolson> oh wow, there's pam 0.99.3.0 now
[11:37] <TheMuso> Was it just me, or did others just get a flood of messages to ubuntu-devel@?
[11:38] <dolson> yeah, like ~30
[11:38] <TheMuso> And some that were many weeks old?
[11:38] <TheMuso> Sounds about right.
[11:38] <dolson> lol, yes
[11:38] <TheMuso> Approx 38 or so for me.
[11:39] <dolson> I had a bunch unread already, so I don't know exactly, but that's about right
[11:40] <TheMuso> ...and more.
[11:55] <TheMuso> dolson: Have you seen liblscp? It doesn't depend on LinuxSampler. Is that right?
[11:55] <dolson> TheMuso: nope, it's in dapper
[11:56] <TheMuso> What is?
[11:56] <dolson> liblscp. it only depends on libc6
[11:56] <dolson> I guess I meant to say, yup, that is right
[11:56] <dolson> me engrish bad
[11:57] <TheMuso> That kinda doesn't make sense to me.
[11:57] <TheMuso> Is that another frontend or something?
[11:57] <dolson> well linuxsampler would depend on liblscp
[11:57] <TheMuso> Ah right.
[11:58] <dolson> the question is, WHY is liblscp in debian/dapper, but not linuxsampler?
[12:00] <TheMuso> Good question that.
[12:00] <dolson> I will find out
[12:01] <dolson> hmm. no reason. I did an apt-cache dump-avail and searched for any pkgs that depend on it, or even suggests it, and none do
[12:01] <dolson> it is a mystery!
[12:02] <TheMuso> liblscp is not even the latest version.
[12:02] <dolson> the same version as debian. presumably no one cares, since it's not used for anything at all
[12:02] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[12:03] <dolson> actually, it is the latest "stable" version
[12:03] <TheMuso> It is too.
[12:04] <dolson> I wonder why the links there are all 404s
[12:04] <TheMuso> The other stable download links on the page are not there. I get 404.
[12:04] <TheMuso> So are the unstable links.
[12:04] <dolson> so are the debian package links
[12:04] <dolson> and rpm package links
[12:05] <dolson> and the wallpaper!
[12:05] <TheMuso> There goes that plan. :)
[12:05] <dolson> I was fine with none of the software being available to download, but the wallpaper?!!?
[12:05] <TheMuso> I was going to have a look f they were available, but since they aren't...
[12:06] <dolson> linuxsampler and qsampler are in mentors.debian.net
[12:06] <TheMuso> Waiting to be uploaded etc?
[12:07] <dolson> I am not entirely certain how m.d.n works, but I think it's maybe something similar to revu.. where the pros can help out the lamerz like me and get their packages into shape
[12:08] <TheMuso> Right.
[12:08] <TheMuso> Did you say someone was working on them for Ubuntu?
[12:09] <dolson> well, fbond said he was going to take the m.d.n pkgs and whip them into shape, but he's been |away for over a day. I hope he comes back soon and lets me know if he will have the time to do it, like asap
[12:19] <dolson> it seems rather silly for a project like that to have every download link broken.. the CVS was last updated 10 days ago or less
[12:20] <TheMuso> Right.
[12:21] <dolson> ah, hardware failure
[12:23] <dolson> since december 3rd.. :\
[12:26] <dolson> luckily they had qsampler on sf.net, but not so lucky for linuxsampler itself
[12:39] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[12:40] <dolson> hmm, qsampler tarball has debian/ already
[01:03] <dolson> qsampler uploaded
[01:06] <TheMuso> Another a11y app for the console, speechd-up uploaded.
[01:06] <dholbach> whoo!
[01:06] <dolson> now I just need to find the linuxsampler tarball, and I'm all set
[01:10] <TheMuso> dholbach: I'm not finished with a11y packages et.
[01:10] <TheMuso> I want to update the kernel-patch-speakup package so it can be used with the dapper kernel.
[01:10] <dholbach> TheMuso: you're doing great anyway
[01:15] <marcin`> hello all
[01:16] <marcin`> I got a problem with dpkg
[01:17] <marcin`> could someone tell me why I get this: 'Not replacing deleted config file /etc/...'
[01:17] <marcin`> error very often when I'm trying to install package?
[01:18] <marcin`> it makes me very angry because I work on package then build it upload to my local apt repository
[01:18] <marcin`> and on installation I get this error
[01:18] <marcin`> wtf?
[01:20] <dolson> marcin`: is this for packages you made?
[01:20] <marcin`> dolson: yes
[01:21] <dolson> marcin`: what did you make them with?
[01:21] <marcin`> dolson: ?
[01:21] <dolson> did you use debuild or pbuilder or checkinstall?
[01:21] <marcin`> dpkg-buildpackage
[01:21] <minghua> marcin`: most likely you need --force-confmiss option in your dpkg command
[01:22] <marcin`> minghua: doesn't work
[01:22] <dolson> lintian doesn't complain about conffiles?
[01:22] <marcin`> minghua: have been trying that a lot of times
[01:22] <minghua> marcin`: Hmm, what about dpkg -S /etc/... (the file mentioned)?
[01:23] <marcin`> minghua: apt-get --purge remove mypackage then dpkg -i --force-confmiss... no success
[01:25] <minghua> marcin`: sorry, out of ideas then
[01:26] <marcin`> it's really annoying
[01:28] <marcin`> hehh found workaround....
[01:28] <marcin`> this config file I mentioned contains password to mysql-database
[01:29] <marcin`> when I input the same password - dpkg doesn't regenerate file and says "Not replacing... blablabla
[01:29] <marcin`> and then package is installed but broken
[01:30] <marcin`> if I input _different_ password then voilaI got new config file...
[01:30] <Mithrandir> it's not a message from dpkg, then.  Probably ucf or something.
[01:31] <marcin`> what is ucf?
[01:31] <minghua> marcin`: a package, used to deal with conffiles
[01:31] <Mithrandir> no, not conffiles.
[01:31] <minghua> oh sorry
[01:31] <Mithrandir> it lets you deal with generated files almost as if they were conffiles
[01:48] <TheMuso> This next package I want to upload is an update to a package already in universe. Should I still send it through revu? I guess this would warrent an UVF as it is a new version.
[01:48] <dholbach> yeah, revu + uvf sounds good
[01:49] <TheMuso> So I send the UVF request to the list?
[01:49] <dholbach> yeah
[01:49] <TheMuso> Ok.
[01:57] <TheMuso> Uploaded to REVU, and UVF sent to motu list.
[02:01] <TheMuso> And I am off to bed.
[02:01] <TheMuso> Night all.
[02:02] <dholbach> good night, TheMuso
[02:12] <ulrik> heya.. I'm looking for someone to tell me what's holding the latest released fglrx out of the dapper archives?
[02:23] <siretart> ulrik: you mean this upload: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-February/006600.html
[02:32] <ulrik> siretart: hehe, that EXACTLY what I mean, yes.. ;)
[02:37] <zakame> evening MOTUs :D
[02:38] <tseng> dholbach: ping
[02:40] <tseng> dholbach: any restriction on syncing a NEW package from debian (nagios2)
[02:40] <tseng> dholbach: i see no reason not to
[02:41] <dholbach> No, until FeatureFreeze not
[02:42] <dholbach> go ahead
[02:43] <tepsipakki> there's also libpam-krb5-1.2.0-2 (dapper has -1)
[02:43] <tepsipakki> oh, nagios-2.0 has been released, sweet
[02:45] <xerox_> Howdy people.
[02:45] <xerox_> Anybody has some minutes to help me decyphering the new files popped up in my package on revu? <http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1886>
[02:46] <tseng> dholbach: i mailed elmo, i guess it will get in someday
[02:46] <dholbach> tseng: me too
[02:47] <tseng> dholbach: *hugs*
[02:47] <xerox_> The other one seem to go better <http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1887>
[02:51] <tseng> someone remind me how to change between split windows in vim?
[02:52] <ogra> :bn ?
[02:56] <jamessan> tseng: <C-w><C-w> will toggle between two windows
h/j/k/l will move around among the windows like h/j/k/l move around normally
[03:04] <lionelp> Does somoene have time to have a look on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1899 ?
[03:08] <ulrik> siretart: about how long does it usually take from accept, until the packages can be found in archive.ubuntu.com?
[03:09] <xerox_> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/libsvg-0602200825/REVU_report
[03:09] <xerox_> I don't know how to fix the md5sum problem  o_O
[03:14] <siretart> ulrik: since it creates new binary packages, it is in the binary NEW queue, which is processed about once a week. considering that we are talking about a kernel package, which needs extensive package, I'd say as soon as Kamion processes it. perhaps this evening or tomorrow (just a very vaague guess)
[03:16] <ulrik> siretart: allright.. I'm really looking forward to it.. :) got a T43 yesterday, and would really like to try it with recent drivers.. (ACPI suspend would be nice)
[03:17] <siretart> fglrx and acpi suspend? huh?
[03:27] <xerox_> dholbach: I don't know who should I ask exactly, but you'd better nuke libsvg and libsvg-cairo.  I was wrong in trying to package them.
[03:30] <woutervis> Hi, I'm trying to correct a translation in  a package using launchpad. However, there are 999 translated strings, and on each page only ten are displayed. Is there a way to search in for a specific translation?
[03:30] <ulrik> siretart: according to the release-info of fglrx, the latest version should better handle ACPI suspend correctly, I think?
[03:30] <ulrik> (might have mixed something up, though.. I'm getting dead tired.)
[03:32] <siretart> ulrik: I don't care for fglrx
[03:38] <ulrik> siretart: allrighty.. :) I wish I didn't.. :)
[03:41] <dolson> note to self: don't touch computer reset button with foot
[03:42] <Yagisan> :) nice. I usually hit mine when I miss the cd-rom eject button
[03:43] <dolson> hmm, I wonder if hub just did that
[04:32] <jpatrick> can someone poke http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1917 ?
[04:43] <sladen> jpatrick: did you see the existing comments?
[04:44] <jpatrick> sladen: I fixed them
[04:44] <sladen> jpatrick: fantastic
[04:47] <dolson> *cough* http://rivironline.com/ubuntu-6.10.png *cough*
[04:49] <jpatrick> hehe
[04:49] <xerox_> Yay :-)
[04:51] <dolson> make your vote count!
[04:52] <dolson> that is Maximus the Sable Ferret, and he listens to the people!
[04:54] <zakame> whoa
[04:55] <dolson> zakame: let not your heart be troubled! Maximus is here for *you*
[05:03] <dolson> dholbach: I sure hope you have registered your vote
[06:21] <apachelogger> re
[06:22] <dolson> re
[06:23] <jpatrick> dolson: how are the votes coming along?
[06:24] <dolson> jpatrick: looks like it's been rigged by Edgy Emu's brother
[06:24] <jpatrick> :)
[06:24] <dolson> that's ok, because Maximus the Sable won't give up so easily. No, this is not another Stockwell Day!
[06:34] <dolson> TheMuso, dholbach, fbond|away: I just got the latest stable source for LinuxSampler.. going to do it as fast as I can here. just FYI
[06:34] <dholbach> dolson: NICE!
[06:35] <dolson> dholbach: I had to get it from CVS, but the project leader gave me the instructions on how to get and build the .orig tarball for the release.. know what I'm sayin'? funky commands that give me the tar.gz.. ooooh yeah
[06:36] <dolson> they had a massive hardware failure on Dec. 3rd, so this is the only way to get the src right now
[06:51] <LaserJock> hi thierry
[06:51] <thierry> hi LaserJock
[06:52] <thierry> LaserJock : I wonder if octovae2.1 is only a terminal apps or if it's me who don't know how to use it
[06:52] <thierry> octave2.1 sorry
[06:53] <LaserJock> thierry: no, I think octave is a terminal app. There are several frontends I think but it itself is a CLI.
[06:55] <thierry> LaserJock : ok thanks
[06:59] <LaserJock> Is there a way to see if sync went through other than just checking the repos? Do they show up in dapper-changes or anything like that?
[07:03] <dolson> I hope you're talking about the dssi sync.. :|
[07:04] <LaserJock> I'm talking about any of the syncs. I don't want to bug people. I just want to know if I can see a status or have some indication of when it went through.
[07:06] <slomo_> you see them on dapper-changes and get a mail by launchpad as if you uploaded it yourself
[07:06] <LaserJock> for syncs? awesome
[07:19] <LaserJock> can somebody give me an example of a package that has multiple licenses (not GPL or BSD)?
[07:20] <tseng> LaserJock: mysql?
[07:20] <tseng> LaserJock: qt?
[07:21] <LaserJock> tseng: thanks
[07:26] <hub> LaserJock: Mozilla
[07:26] <hub> LaserJock: OOo 1.0
[07:28] <LaserJock> hub: thanks. I'm trying to fix the ubuntu-docs debian/copyright but it is somewhat confusing to me.
[07:37] <LaserJock> ok, so do I need to explicitely list which files are under which license if there is more than one or can I do a general description.
[07:37] <dolson> per file
[07:37] <dolson> I asked this yesterday :)
[07:37] <LaserJock> for instance everything in ubuntu-docs is FDL/CC-SA except the Ubuntu Packaging Guide which is GPL?
[07:38] <LaserJock> dolson: are you positive? that would insane for ubuntu-docs
[07:39] <dolson> well if everything is under FDL except one part, I am pretty sure you just list the exceptions
[07:39] <dholbach> directories should work too
[07:39] <LaserJock> dholbach: ok, well that would be a bit better.
[07:41] <LaserJock> dholbach: do I reference the installation path or the source path?
[07:43] <dholbach> source
[07:48] <segfault>  slapd-smbk5pwd - slapd overlay to update Kerberos keys and Samba password hashes
[07:48] <segfault> could this still go in dapper?
[07:48] <segfault> :)
[07:49] <dholbach> that's in Debian already?
[07:49] <segfault> nope, i just build it
[07:50] <dholbach> then it has to go through the REVU process until Feb 23rd
[07:50] <jpatrick> can someone advocate http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1922 ?
[07:51] <segfault> humm
[08:16] <lucas> hello
 :-)
[08:16] <dolson> hi lucas
[08:21] <Gloubiboulga> evening Tonio_
[08:21] <Tonio_> Gloubiboulga: hi ;)
[08:22] <Gloubiboulga> comment a va Tonio_ ? *switch se portent bien ? :p
[08:22] <lucas> pff trop de francais ici ;)
[08:22] <Gloubiboulga> hehe
[08:25] <Tonio_> Gloubiboulga: reste juste  packager knetswitch
[08:25] <Tonio_> je suis dessus
[08:25] <Tonio_> j'ai pas splitt le package netswitch par contre
[08:25] <Tonio_> ca build, mais j'aipas grand chose sous la main pour tester
[08:25] <Tonio_> j'upload tout dans qques minutes
[08:25] <Gloubiboulga> ok, je vais regarder a :)
[08:26] <Gloubiboulga> pour m'instruire, pas pour reviewer ;)
[08:27] <Mithrandir> you spoke French last week, switch to another language this week.
[08:27] <Gloubiboulga> Mithrandir, that's true :)
[08:50] <dolson> fbond|away: ping
[09:06] <TheMuso> Hey all.
[09:06] <TheMuso> dolson: How goges it?
[09:06] <jpatrick> hello TheMuso
[09:06] <TheMuso> s/goges/goes/
[09:06] <dolson> TheMuso: not so good
[09:06] <dolson> TheMuso: linuxsampler is not building with gcc 4.0
[09:06] <TheMuso> oooo
[09:07] <dolson> I am so close
[09:09] <dolson> actually, it's failing on some ASM, from the looks of it
[09:10] <TheMuso> That won't be good for multi-arch support.
[09:11] <dolson> I wish I knew asm
[09:12] <TheMuso> I don't really know asm either. I am just thinking about how it would get built on powerpc. Perhaps they do have code in there for powerpc though.
[09:12] <dolson> it fails on a line that says :  "%eax", "%edx", "%edi", and the error is memory input 2 is not directly accessible
[09:13] <dolson> probably means nothing to you
[09:13] <TheMuso> Not really.
[09:17] <dolson> I don't think it's a solution to make it depend on gcc-3.3
[09:18] <dolson> I need a nap... it's now almost 3:30pm with no sleep overnight again. :\
[09:23] <TheMuso> Any MOTUs around? I think I found a small correction I need to make to some dependancy info for a package I uploaded to REVU. Should I just re-upload it?
[09:25] <Kyral> yah
[09:25] <TheMuso> Kyral: Thanks.
[09:27] <Kyral> well, I'm not a mOTU lol
[09:29] <jpatrick> I'm am, but reupload anyhow
[09:29] <TheMuso> done
[09:33] <sistpoty> hi folks
[09:33] <Hobbsee> hi sistpoty :)
[09:33] <jpatrick> hello sistpoty
[09:33] <sistpoty> hi Hobbsee, jpatrick
[09:40] <TheMuso> argh. More errors. I guess I shouldn't have done this package at night when I wasn't at the top of my game. :S
[09:42] <sistpoty> wow, I don't know what I did, my two packages passed new today (and were only uploaded yesterday) :)
[09:43] <jpatrick> lucky
[09:47] <TheMuso> Does anybody know how to fix this? This package I am working on gets a binary built that referrs to its needed libraries like so when examined with ldd: libspeechd.so.1 => /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/../../../libspeechd.so.1 (0xb7f2a000)
[09:47] <TheMuso> Is that a problem with the way the original library was built, or with the way this package builds?
[09:56] <sistpoty> TheMuso: you could try to call configure with --disable-rpath
[09:59] <TheMuso> Thanks. Will try that.
[10:02] <Kyral> Gah all these new people are making me look bad lol
[10:02] <TheMuso> sistpoty: sistpoty Doesn't seem to be an option.
[10:03] <sistpoty> TheMuso: can you post the linking command for the binary somewhere?
[10:04] <Kyral> If I can't get them into Ubuntu for Dapper, I'll get them to Sid and ask for Syncs when the time comes :D
[10:05] <TheMuso> sistpoty: Give me a sec.
[10:08] <TheMuso> sistpoty: gcc -g -O2 -o speechd-up speechd_up-speechd-up.o speechd_up-options.o  /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/../../..//libspeechd.so -lm -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/../../../ -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/../../../
[10:08] <TheMuso> Looks like thats how it links it.
[10:08] <TheMuso> Nasty.
[10:08] <fbond> dolson: check linuxsampler homepage
[10:08] <fbond> that error is mentioned there under FAQ
[10:08] <fbond> it's a gcc thing
[10:09] <sistpoty> TheMuso: yes, the -rpatch option is the wrong thing here
[10:09] <sistpoty> (as far as i can tell)
[10:09] <TheMuso> hmmm
[10:12] <TheMuso> Looks like it is some autoconf foo. I will go and grab some breakfast and come back to have a look at it.
[10:13] <TheMuso> Found references to it in aclocal.m4
[10:34] <sistpoty> TheMuso: I'm just looking at gnome-orca: your debian/copyright is wrong, the files are LPGL, not GPL
[10:34] <sistpoty> TheMuso: and please remove the commented out debhelper commands from debian/rules
[10:35] <TheMuso> sistpoty: Ok.
[10:35] <sistpoty> (maybe I'll find some more things after the package is built)
[10:36] <TheMuso> sistpoty: I foud reference to --disable-path in aclocal.m4. Do you know how one would enable that in configure.in?
[10:37] <sistpoty> TheMuso: not really
[10:37] <sistpoty> TheMuso: checked configure-options that are there already?
[10:38] <TheMuso> Yeah I did. It is not an option for the configure script
[10:39] <sistpoty> TheMuso: is the package on revu/where could I get the sources to take a look?
[10:41] <TheMuso> sistpoty: It is on revuv, called speechd-up. There are other errors like the COPYING file that I have included etc, manpage not in place, which I have fixed.
[10:44] <TheMuso> sistpoty: Anything else with gnome-orca? If not, I'l re-upload.
[10:45] <sistpoty> TheMuso: I couldn't build it right now, because I can't install python2.4-dev in pbuilder :(
[10:45] <TheMuso> Oh.
[10:46] <TheMuso> Ok, I'll upload my chnged package.
[10:52] <TheMuso> sistpoty: Would copying out the section in aclocal.m4 for --disable-path into the configure.in break anything? I was thinking of trying that.
[10:53] <sistpoty> TheMuso: if I call configure right from the top-src-dir, it works to call it with configure --disable-rpath
[10:53] <TheMuso> ?
[10:53] <TheMuso> It wasn't listed in the help options.
[10:53] <TheMuso> Let me try that again.
[10:54] <sistpoty> no, it's a secret option ;)
[10:54] <sistpoty> (dunno where exactly from autconf this comes)
[10:54] <TheMuso> new gnome-orca uploaded.
[10:55] <TheMuso> Still doesn't work for me.
[10:56] <sistpoty> TheMuso: it works as an option, but the result is still the same :(
[10:56] <TheMuso> Oh right.
[10:57] <TheMuso> --rpath still gets used as a flag as well.
[11:02] <keyes> how can I log me to revu  (where can I found my password) ?
[11:02] <TheMuso> keyes: Have you uploaded a package?
[11:02] <keyes> yes
[11:03] <TheMuso> Ok, enter your email address, and choose login.
[11:03] <TheMuso> There will be a link there for you to recover your password, which will be encrypted with your public key.
[11:03] <TheMuso> bbl folks. Got a few chores to do.
[11:04] <keyes> (ok thanks
[11:14] <lucas> any news regarding the current sync requests backlog ?
[11:15] <TheMuso> back
[11:18] <LaserJock> lucas: not that I know of
[11:20] <ajmitch> morning all
[11:20] <ajmitch> lucas: no news today
[11:21] <ajmitch> dholbach: have UVF requests been made?
[11:23] <sistpoty> TheMuso: only thing I found right now is: http://wiki.debian.org/RpathIssue
[11:23] <TheMuso> sistpoty: Thanks.
[11:23] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[11:24] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[11:27] <apachelogger> raphink: are you around?
[11:27] <trappist> the packager listed in a lot of packages is actually the debian packager, and I've seen some debian packagers get really hacked off about that fact.  are these packages just waiting to be picked up by an ubuntu maintainer?
[11:27] <raphink> apachelogger: a bit
[11:27] <crimsun> trappist: if they're direct syncs, it's moot.
[11:28] <apachelogger> raphink: can you review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1903 when you got a minute?
[11:28] <raphink> apachelogger: not right now
[11:28] <raphink> apachelogger: can you send it to me by email so I do it later?
[11:28] <apachelogger> sure
[11:29] <trappist> I see.  well the package that brought it to my attention is actually my own project, and debian doesn't seem to be keeping up with updates, and I'm having a hard time figuring out how to work toward maintainership of the ubuntu package.
[11:30] <crimsun> trappist: you should really work toward maintainership of the debian package, which leads to easy syncs in{to} ubuntu
[11:32] <trappist> I s'pose I could look into that, but I'm not really involved in the debian community so I suspect the barrier to entry there will be greater.
[11:32] <crimsun> apachelogger: libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.2.3) is unnecessary in debian/control:Build-Depends, as kdelibs4-dev already depends on it.
[11:32] <apachelogger> crimsun: thx
[11:38] <marcin`> raphink: hello
[11:38] <marcin`> hello MOTU's
[11:38] <marcin`> raphink: vtigercrm package is in my opinion ready in 97%
[11:38] <dholbach> night guys
[11:38] <raphink> marcin`: good :)
[11:39] <TheMuso> Night dholbach .
[11:39] <marcin`> I want to polish few little things but they aren't in fact anything important
[11:39] <marcin`> btw question
[11:39] <marcin`> I got pretty scarry lintian output
[11:40] <marcin`> it says that "executable-not-elf-or-script ....."
[11:40] <raphink> marcin`: check the chmod for the files
[11:40] <marcin`> and it's because some php and html files are set as executables
[11:40] <TheMuso> sistpoty: The chrpath utility does the job. Will drop that in and make it a build dep.
[11:40] <marcin`> my question is - what to do with these files?
[11:41] <marcin`> fixup permissions or use lintian overrides?
[11:41] <raphink> fixup marcin`
[11:41] <trappist> crimsun: btw I implemented 'list' in asoundconf as you suggested, and got an unceremonious smackdown before finally getting it merged.
[11:41] <raphink> marcin`: and please don't use override, I hate them
[11:42] <marcin`> raphink: ok
[11:42] <marcin`> and another question: are there any plans to implement conditional dependencies in dpkg/apt ?
[11:43] <TheMuso> sistpoty: Thanks again.
[11:43] <raphink> no idea
[11:44] <crimsun> trappist: I saw.
[11:44] <crimsun> trappist: Martin's just very overworked; I doubt he meant it to be harsh.
[11:44] <trappist> yeah he was cool about it
[11:46] <trappist> that was the 2nd thing I ever did in python and I'll be happy if it's the last
[11:47] <lifeless> trappist: are you a beer ?
[11:47] <trappist> I am
[11:47] <lifeless> Chimay?
[11:47] <trappist> premiere, even
[11:48] <lifeless> not the Grande Reserve ?
[11:48] <trappist> nah.
[11:48] <trappist> the premiere is so well-rounded, and the grande reserve has an unfortunate hint of greenness.  plus I can never remember what it tasted like the next day.
[11:52] <andrewski> is this an appropriate place for a non-MOTU to ask about developing Ubuntu packages?
[11:53] <azeem> andrewski: yes
[11:55] <TheMuso> andrewski: We are all ears. :)
[11:55] <lfittl> sistpoty: ping
[11:55] <andrewski> TheMuso: it's a long question. :)
[11:55] <sistpoty> lfittl: pong
[11:55] <TheMuso> I'm sort of a non-motu, more of a motu hopeful.
[11:56] <andrewski> ok... i've followed the pbuilder howto on the wiki to start working on a package, and i figured i'd start small by backporting a dapper package for breezy.  (sistpoty had emailed me some helpful tips on the ubuntu-motu list.)  however, when creating my breezy distro in pbuilder, i get the following error: "W: Failure trying to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/5987/. dpkg --force-depends --install" (there's more, but
[11:57] <andrewski> also, pbuilder complained about validating a few packages, and it seems to be the same set every time.
[12:00] <sistpoty> andrewski: does pbuilder fail, because it cannot validate the packages?
[12:00] <TheMuso> Ok, new speechd-up package going up to revu, with a LOT of errrors corrected, and  properly linked binary.
[12:01] <andrewski> sistpoty: well, it retrieves and validates all packages before complaining, but the step preceding that warning is "I: Installing core packages...."  i'm not sure if that answers your question though. :)
[12:01] <andrewski> sistpoty: oh, and hello and thanks for that how-to. :)
[12:02] <sistpoty> np ;)
[12:02] <sistpoty> andrewski: no, doesn't really answer the question...
[12:02] <sistpoty> brb