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kjaerI am wondering, are you focusing primarily at schools for small kids ?12:07
kjaerIn my opinion you could add some latex packages for chemisty and physics. And also some kind of computer algebra system. Then it would suit perfectly for highschool students.12:09
kjaerAnd documentation for the latex packages, how this makes your life easier.12:10
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Gadihas anyone here had problems with debootstrap today against the us mirror?12:58
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dsaa|awayis it posible to install edubuntu directly from HD to HD?01:49
Burgworkdsaa|away, yes, as you would Ubuntu01:51
dsaa|awaybugwork: how?01:52
dsaa|awayburgwork i mean.01:52
Burgworkdsaa|away, sorry, no clue01:53
Burgworkwiki.ubuntu.com/Installation may have something01:53
dsaa|awayburgwork: thanks01:54
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jjjjjjjehllo01:55
Burgworkhey01:56
jjjjjjjwell i will take my chance and ask:  in windows when I add a user I can say the user has to change password at next logon.  I dont see that in edubuntu01:57
jjjjjjjhow long does a pw last in ubuntu?01:57
Burgworkthere is that option in Ubuntu as well, but this is better to ask in #ubuntu01:58
jjjjjjji am using edubuntu sorry01:59
Burgworkit would be the same in either02:00
jjjjjjjdo you know where?02:00
jjjjjjjin the os i do this?02:00
Burgworksorry, no idea02:00
jjjjjjjwell thanks for at least replying.... i hardly come here because no one ever responds. <sigh>02:01
jjjjjjjgood luck02:01
Burgworknp02:01
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mhzjsgotangco: ping05:29
mhzjsgotangco: ever trasnformed avi into vcd ?05:29
jsgotangconot in linux though05:30
mhzhmm05:30
mhzjsgotangco:  mencvcd matrix matrix.avi05:34
mhzmjpehtools05:35
mhzit is not in main05:35
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enycmeep08:24
enycq-)08:24
enycI would like to know about squidguard+edubutu (or othor web-filtering...) in dapper-to-come release ;-)08:26
enycmeep08:31
enyc;-)08:31
enycmeep08:36
enyc;-)08:36
highvoltageenyc: beep08:51
highvoltageogra mentioned privoxy a while ago, which i like a lot. not sure what happened about that. i was meaning to ask him.08:51
jsgotangcoARRGHGHHH08:58
jsgotangcoGcompris hijacks my resolution setttings08:58
jsgotangcothen decides to go kthxbye08:58
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jsgotangcooohhh09:00
jsgotangconice error message09:00
jsgotangcosegfault and that's it09:01
jsgotangcoKaiser_Away, x86 or amd64?09:01
Kaiser_Awayx86, my mate was investigateing, so I'm not sure of the details09:01
jsgotangcoit also happens in amd6409:02
Kaiser_Awayhm09:02
jsgotangcoKaiser_Away, does the intro music finish first before crashing?09:03
Kaiser_Awayjsgotangco: not sure, i wasnt sitting at it, i just got told (and got given back a pc with a funny res)09:04
jsgotangcook i'll do a trace09:05
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jsgotangcoKaiser_Away, the best gcompris performance i had was in hoary...in breezy, sound doesn't work on me09:07
Kaiser_Awayjsgotangco: i had never seen it before Breezy - not the sort of app i ususaly use ;)09:08
jsgotangcoheh09:09
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highvoltagehi pips1 09:23
highvoltagepips1: i talked to znarl (ubuntu sysadmin), he said he'll try his best to have proto.edubuntu up by tomorrow09:23
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lucasvopips1: hoi ;-)09:25
lucasvopips1: you are doing the homepage for edubuntu?09:26
highvoltagehi lucasvo 09:27
highvoltagepips1 will be helping out on the new drupal site, he has lots of ideas for the drupal implementation09:28
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lucasvoonly typo3 09:30
lucasvowhich rocks09:30
highvoltagewe've decided to stick to drupal now, though. since we've changed our minds too much in the past09:32
lucasvonp09:32
lucasvohttp://vincisolutions.wservices.ch/index.php09:33
lucasvo(typo3))09:33
pips1highvoltage, hi09:34
pips1lucasvo, hi09:34
lucasvopips1: where are you frim?09:35
lucasvos/i/o/g09:35
pips1lucasvo, zurich09:35
pips1you?09:35
highvoltageperhaps i should try nscreen too :)09:35
highvoltagegnu screen doesn't always play nicely with gnome-terminal09:36
divansantanaogra: U there?09:45
divansantanaogra: Have good news for a change! :D09:45
lucasvopips1: ich auch09:56
lucasvohighvoltage: it is almost working09:56
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lucasvothey only offer blackberry service for  big companies with special contracts09:57
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juliuxogra, you have done a great job for dapper11:40
juliuxogra, it is very fast boot up11:40
jsgotangcoJaneW, are we having a meeting later?11:42
JaneWjsgotangco: hi, yes11:43
jsgotangcoJaneW, ok might not come on time, my update is that the preview of docs are now in doc.ubuntu.com but i want to ask the group if a quickguide is still desirable i already have something in my laptop but i haven't upladed yet because it has some pngs....if the cookbook still has no update, i would push for the desktop quickguide since i already have made some screenshots and text11:45
JaneWjsgotangco: ok, I'll mention that11:46
JaneWjsgotangco: there was discussion of release notes yesterday11:46
jsgotangcothey can do it on wiki then i'll move to svn11:47
JaneWjsgotangco: they want to keep the announcements very lean and link the release announcements to the release notes for each derivative11:47
jsgotangcothats better11:48
jsgotangcook i'll try to catch up later then11:49
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mhzJaneW: hi there, have you been able to talk with Mr. S.?12:32
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JaneWmhz: no, but I have mailed him12:36
JaneWmhz: afaik he gets back to London next week...12:37
mhzJaneW: oh, then, you knowing him, what would be the best tip for me? move on?12:37
mhzJaneW: move on = dont consider his support and just use the resources I have available today?12:39
JaneWmhz: have you tried mailing cvd? she would know if he has asked for it to be scheduled in his dairy...12:39
JaneWmhz: mail her at claire@canonical.com12:39
mhzJaneW: oh, that I'll do immediately, thx12:39
JaneW**Reminder** Edubuntu dev Update Meeting in 15 mins in #ubuntu-meeting12:44
JaneWtime to get a coffee/beverage of choice/last smoke/toilet break/dog walk etc ;)12:45
highvoltagethanks for the coffee/dog reminder12:46
mhzhighvoltage: hi there!!!12:50
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highvoltagehi mhz !!!12:55
pips1hi mhz, I was hoping you would make it to the "website meeting" on monday, to join our heated debate :-)12:59
mhzpips1: me too but i had a very stupid accident :(01:00
pips1oh01:00
highvoltagemhz: how so?01:00
mhzhighvoltage: i landed over a 'cement' field, with my left elbow, left knee and my right hand, so I hardly walk and the elbow injury pain is killing me01:02
highvoltageouch01:02
mhzhighvoltage: i could easily see the bone of it 01:02
highvoltagehow did you land? were you running or was this from a vehicle?01:02
mhzand it looked so 'ugly' that my daughter started to cry01:02
highvoltageJaneW: perhaps we should schedule seperate rambling sessions for #edubuntu ;)01:03
mhz;)01:03
highvoltagemhz: hope it gets better real soon.01:03
mhzhighvoltage: i was running to the meeting :D01:03
highvoltagenothing worse than having to work when you hurt01:03
highvoltageoh no!01:03
mhzhighvoltage: thx01:03
mhzme too! so I can sleep on well01:04
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enyc< highvoltage> ogra mentioned privoxy a while ago, which i like a lot. 01:08
enyc                     not sure what happened about that. i was meaning to ask 01:08
enyc                     him.01:08
enychrrrm01:08
enychighvoltage: thanks for letting me know ;-)01:08
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pips1enyc, most people are in #ubuntu-meeting right now01:16
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JaneWflint makes me feel violent01:44
ograheh01:44
ograFITS !01:45
jsgotangcoi'll chuck in a quickguide if it still fits the cd01:45
jsgotangcowell actually i've already written like 1/4 of it01:45
mhzjsgotangco: it will fit01:46
JaneWjsgotangco: yes your version was great, I have NO idea what they are doing now.01:46
JaneWI am grateful for what they are doing, but if it amounts to nothing it will have been a tremendous waste of time01:47
jsgotangcoi dunno sorry to say i consider it vaporware for now01:47
jsgotangcoif they continued with my original sources, they have already covered 1/3 of the content01:47
jsgotangcoback then, the problem was how our LTSP will be executed01:47
YagisanJaneW: I can see what you mean01:48
highvoltagealmost mentioned this in #ubuntu-meeting, but it's a bit off-topic01:48
JaneWI am not sure whether to have faith in them pulling it off, or moving to a plan B already...01:48
highvoltagei've come a bit further with Xola: http://jonathancarter.co.za/projects/xola/index.py01:49
highvoltagecheck the "I need diagnostic lab information." I think it's kinda cool.01:49
highvoltagei want to do a similar diagnostic page for edubuntu, when it's more mature.01:49
JaneWI feel like in all the time we have talked about it I could have just done it (though I prolly couldn't have)01:49
JaneWhighvoltage: thanks I will look01:49
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mhzJaneW: in Chile we have  a saying: "Dont place all eggs in same container" (or something like that, sorry for translation)01:49
Yagisanmhz: Don't play all you eggs in one basket01:50
mhzhence, Planb B and C should always be on progress along with Plan A01:50
Yagisans/play/place01:50
highvoltagein English, there's a saying "Don't put all your eggs in one basket"01:50
mhzYagisan: oh, much better!01:50
jsgotangcohighvoltage: is that za_EN01:50
mhzhighvoltage: hehee, that too01:50
Yagisanheh - beat highvoltage01:50
highvoltagejsgotangco: yeah, I suppose so!01:51
JaneWmhz: here it's 'don't put all your eggs in one basket'01:52
mhzokis01:52
JaneWsorry I am slow01:52
JaneWthe wiki version of the cookbook is gone...01:52
mhzso JaneW, dont feel bad to have 3 plans01:52
JaneWthing is flint has a different MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE each week01:53
jsgotangcoheh01:53
JaneWa few weeks back he was very worried about the picture of Richard Stallman and it HAD TO BE CHANGED01:53
mhzmy idea would be: Plan A -> Jelkner and Kjcole work    Plan B -> Jsgotanco and Mhz quickguide   Plan C -> highvoltage's01:53
jsgotangcomhz: that's terrible 3 plans...01:54
mhzhehehehe01:54
jsgotangcomhz: you'll kill the project manager01:54
mhzlol01:54
JaneWmhz: but highvoltage's is specific to SA and the tuxLabs stuff...01:54
JaneWwhich is back to where we started ;)01:54
jsgotangcoyeah01:54
jsgotangcoit doesn't help that i stated the cookbook out of sheer boredom01:55
mhzJaneW: oh sure, but it can be summarized easily in 10 days of active work01:55
mhzactive = at least 3 hours among 10 people01:55
mhz3 hours a day01:55
jsgotangcomhz: this is not the real issue imo01:55
jsgotangcomhz: our current LTSP has some modifications with the previous LTSP01:56
mhzyup01:56
jsgotangcobut they're not big changes01:56
mhzI know that01:56
jsgotangcoso a any manual can still apply if the 5.10 was used01:56
highvoltagejsgotangco: did you get my soft-module update?01:56
Yagisanbut they are *important* changes01:56
highvoltagejsgotangco: it covers edubuntu ltsp, as apposed to ltsp.org01:56
jsgotangcohighvoltage: i haven't01:56
highvoltagejsgotangco: it's almost like a diff-doc to the old cookbook01:56
jsgotangcohighvoltage: i can merge it if you want01:57
highvoltagejsgotangco: in that case, i'll make a plan to get it out01:57
mhzJaneW: see? doable01:57
mhznot ideal but doable01:57
jsgotangcoYagisan: i already had an original 1/3 document and they decided to do again from scratch01:57
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Yagisanjsgotangco: could I see your document. If it is already 1/3 done, it should already be very useful01:58
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mhz.oO(not bzr??)01:58
mhz;)01:58
juliuxre01:59
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mhzjsgotangco: lol01:59
mhzI know, I know01:59
highvoltageJaneW: i don't think it helps adding fuel to the flint fire ;)01:59
juliuxhm why is the ubuntu server so slow? dont want wait 6h for edubuntu fligth4 image02:00
JaneWhighvoltage: you are right02:00
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JaneWOMmmmmm02:00
mhzJaneW: lol02:00
jsgotangcoJaneW: i guess this is a good time to take out those fish stockings...02:01
mhzJaneW: I can offer nice tea cup from my garden02:01
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JaneWjsgotangco: behave!02:01
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JaneWwoof02:02
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mhzso JaneW can we have 3 plans or 2 is fine ?02:03
JaneWmhz: I think 202:03
JaneWmhz: we can always combine 2&3 I think...02:03
mhzYagisan: don't talk aboiut food please, I have not eaten in 12 hours02:03
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mhzJaneW: okis.02:03
jsgotangcohighvoltage: can you send me the doc when you get it thnx02:04
JaneWmhz: is mhz_cooking broken?02:04
highvoltagejsgotangco: just getting permission, it's a pre-release doc. i think i'll upload it and then post to edubuntu-devel02:04
mhzJaneW: however, I do admit that jelkner and kjcole wikied the status 2 weeks ago and called for help.02:04
Yagisanhighvoltage: we don't need ops here - thx02:04
mhzJaneW: hehe02:04
JaneWmhz: yes I am not going to bale on them yet, but I am feeling less 'safe'02:04
jsgotangcohighvoltage: ok thanks cheers02:05
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JaneWhighvoltage: who made you boss? ;)02:05
highvoltagesome idiot called chanserv02:05
JaneWheh02:05
jsgotangcomhz: i'm going to ignore your roadmap for a while, i don't think we have time to create elaborate plans 02:06
mhzJaneW: i was going to post 'me offering' but then we talked about a quick guide with jsgotangco and it sounded more doable for my time-availability02:06
mhzjsgotangco: okis, what do you propose?02:06
jsgotangcomhz: write02:06
mhzjsgotangco: write about whatever we feel is needed?02:07
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squareyesEvening all02:08
mhzjsgotangco: ?02:08
mhzsquareyes: hi there02:08
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jsgotangcomhz: yup based on EdubuntuQuickguide which is doable02:09
flintogra, we can continue here if you feel up to it.02:09
flintjsgotangco, you got a url for me on the quickguide?02:09
jsgotangcoflint: hold on i'm moving content02:09
squareyesHave been having a play with edubuntu, when I run one of the games, and close it down, the Education heading in Applications list disappears. I s this a known bug?02:10
mhzjsgotangco: so the last 3 point have priority now? #02:10
mhzWrite the Introduction to the Guide02:10
mhz#02:10
mhzWrite and show the environment the user may see in Edubuntu02:10
mhz#02:10
mhzAdd some references to get additional information and support02:10
flintjsgotangco, no problemmo, keep in mind I actually studied the damn tuxlab book, it was not bad...02:10
jsgotangcoflint: i'm not writing a server book02:10
jsgotangcoill brb first02:11
flintjsgotangco, what the distro needs is a quick guide that a stressed and ignorant installer can find.  the firefox default page...02:11
mhzflint: this is for a teacher-student (not admins) needing a quick "let's see this edubuntu thing"02:11
ograsquareyes, breezy or dapper ? this happened very early in the dapper development cycle, but is solved since quite a while02:11
highvoltageflint, jsgotangco: http://jonathancarter.ossn.co.za/files/howto/02:12
flintmhz, show me something.  the last thing anyone needs is the pablum of the ubuntu default page IMHO.  they need something more than this.02:12
mhzogra: nice F4 announcement BTW02:12
highvoltagethere are two openoffice documents with the new edubuntu-y stuff02:12
ogramhz, heh, it had weird grammar ... 02:12
highvoltagemeant to replace certain parts of the old cookbook.02:13
ograedubuntu-y ?02:13
flinthighvoltage, christ jonathan, this is only a half a meg!!!!02:13
mhzflint: yup, we have no "firefox default page", iirc02:13
flintwhy the f**k cannot we get this on the distro ollie?02:13
ogramhz, we have one ... its just broken it seems02:13
highvoltageflint: it's not an entire cookbook, only some updates (and it includes images)02:13
squareyesNot sure, am using ubuntu breezy at the moment,happened yesterday, , will be back if I re-boot, is there anyway to get it back otherwise?02:13
flintogra, it is not broken, it is the standard default page that the ubuntu firefox product installs.02:14
mhzogra: sorry, we =  in the quickguide, yet02:14
ograsquareyes, look in the bugtracker, i think its documented somewhere ...02:14
flintogra, did the chroot thing get fixed in flight 4?02:14
ogramhz, i have a edubuntu homepage in my breezy installs ...02:14
squareyesOK thanks ogra02:15
mhzogra: yes, me too02:15
ograflint, which chroot thing ? 02:15
mhzogra: we use that as base for dapper?02:15
ograi thought so ...02:15
flintogra, i ignored the error I got at install with flight 3 and got a very serviceable edubuntu dapper.02:15
ograthe moodle part needs to be redone ... and a link to the locka schooltool install should go in02:15
ogra*local02:16
flintogra, I talked with you on the chroot error i got... remember? (so many bugs so little time - the Oliver story  :^)02:16
ograflint, its all fine now ... it just appears that ltsp-update-sshkeys isnt run from the installer ...02:16
ograso one manual command left that i have to track down ...02:16
flintogra, yea, that's it, that's the ticket! :^)02:17
ograas ssoon as i have time today i'll make the last merges from debian/skolelinux to ltsp ...02:17
mhzogra: see deadlines in https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuQuickguide/RoadMap02:17
mhzsorry02:17
flintI will download the flight and try to break it!02:17
mhzogra: see deadlines in http://mhz.homelinux.org/elwiki/FunPictures02:17
ograflint, go !02:17
squareyesThanks for the help, take care, bye for now02:18
mhzand Mistakes, ogra 02:18
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flintmhz, termin ist termin, excellent!02:19
mhzheheh02:19
ograheh02:19
pips1mhz, termin LOL02:20
mhzhttp://mhz.homelinux.org/elwiki/FunPictures/CustomerService02:20
flintanyway, ollie, am I asking too much to get something on that firefox default page that is usefull?02:21
pips1ogra, i did the same thing like flint, I installed flight3 and have been updating without probs ever since... should I install flight 4 and see how that works?02:21
flintb back in a few minutes...02:22
Yagisanhands up everyone here that likes fedora boxes.02:23
mhzflint: why dont you wiki a page listing the topics you would consider 'useful' in the default page of firefox. Maybe we already have the info and it only a matter of putting all pieces together02:23
ograpips1, as you like... good to hear that upgrading worked so far02:23
mhzYagisan: down _0_02:23
Yagisansee - no hands. After having to fix one today I know why02:24
ograthe most intresting changes were in ltsp ... thats most worth testing though02:24
pips1ogra, i can't test any of the ltsp server stuff though, i only go a single workstation for testing here :-/02:24
pips1ah, well...02:24
Yagisanpips1: vmware - qemu ?02:24
pips1Yagisan, sorry, no, I meant to get vmware installed, but haven't found the time to actually do it :-/02:25
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Yagisanpips1: its in universe02:26
Yagisanslower, but works mostly similar.02:26
pips1Yagisan, cheers02:26
mhzjsgotangco: gotta go to doc now. I'll be back near 01:00 AM UTC (thursday). Please even email me or wiki your summary of a proposal we work on these next 10 days (or less) for the quick guide so I can comment it. Thanks man. Oh, and let me know if i continue working on the Category Cross-listing for moin.02:26
YagisanI have used it to test workstation mode, but it *should* also do networking02:26
mhzwell, guys, Bye all! see ya tomorrow02:27
flintmhz could i do this on the ubuntu documentation page that exists?02:27
Yagisansee you mhz02:27
mhzflint: hmm, wikiing is better so we can all work on it and subscribe to changes. 02:27
flintogra, I can test the ltsp and give you a-b timing comparisons...02:27
mhzYagisan: bye Yagisan 02:28
flintogra, I am so uninterested in the differences between a moin, a wiki and drupal.  Is there something wrong with me?02:29
Yagisanflint: in one word. yes.02:29
highvoltageflint: short answer: yes.02:29
flintogra, do not answer that last question, answer this one instead.  02:29
Yagisan;)02:29
highvoltageYagisan: ^502:29
flintlol02:29
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flintfor my money you guys are all like great solo guitar players, and one likes a fender, and the other a gibson, and the third a silvertone.  I just like the the music.02:30
flintogra, my thought for the day relates to multimedia on a workstation.  If you had local storage could you play it on a workstation?02:31
flintwith local storage could you display multimedia content (eg full frame dvd video) on a local worksation with a dvd player as the local storage device?02:32
flintogra, just want an opinion here...  this is my fanciful thought for the morning.  Had a long night.02:33
ograunlikely ... 02:33
ograonly if you run the mediaplayer locally as well02:34
flintflint, realizes that he has really got Oliver pensive...02:34
ograelse the data has to got through the net several timmes02:34
flintogra, yea, that is what I thought.  the local storage would need to have local applications available to exploit the local storage... excellent point02:35
ograi.e: from the local CD drive to the desktop on the server ... there it gets played by the mediaplayer and the video picture is forwarded through the net to the client ... thats one time to much ...02:35
flintso you travel down a slippery slope whenever you start on the path of local storage...02:35
ograthey are unrelated02:36
flintogra, last night I played wth vobs over the net.  This is not a fun way to deliver content...02:36
ograone is about storage, one about multimedia playback02:36
flintogra, I would like to hold the grail of local media playback for ltsp in  my hand and drink from this chalice. :^)02:37
flintflint, clearly maintains his vanity...02:38
ogrago ahead ... note that my focus for dapper+1 is already on local devices ...02:38
flintogra, and a powerful focus it is my friend.  thanks for your thoughts.02:38
flintok let me go and torrent down flight 4.  I do not feel right if I am not complaining about something :^)02:39
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jsgotangcohighvoltage: this is awesome02:41
jsgotangcohighvoltage: its like a full rewrite02:41
jsgotangcohmm02:41
jsgotangcoactually02:41
jsgotangcoit *is*02:41
jsgotangcoits a bit advanced though02:42
jsgotangcoJaneW: it seems highvoltage wrote a cookbook02:42
ogralets cook then :)+02:42
Yagisancan I have fires with that ?02:43
Yagisanmmm - pyromania02:43
jsgotangcoit starts with setup02:43
jsgotangcothen adding users02:43
jsgotangcotroubleshooting02:43
jsgotangcoi can incorporate this02:44
Yagisanhighvoltage: your tuxlabs book02:47
Yagisanit looks rather good. I'm reading it now02:48
pips1ogra, I updated to links from flight 3 to flight 4 on this page https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu I hope that's in your sense (hh, "in deinem Sinn")02:50
ograyup, thanks a lot :)02:51
pips1I didn't quite catch what you said about willow... (is that for dapper+1 ?)02:51
highvoltagejsgotangco: that's meant to be an update to the content the the old one, so it's probably not suitable on it's own, and it is still very tuxlab-based02:51
highvoltageYagisan: thanks :)02:52
jsgotangcohighvoltage: there are some, but the start/install part is applicable02:52
pips1ogra, what's the story with the willow content-filtering? will that be in dapper?02:54
ogranope02:54
ograits not packaged yet, it takes quite some time to get such a package right ...02:55
pips1oki, ic02:55
ograi want automatic transparent proxying if possible 02:55
ograthats tricky to implement right02:55
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prognushi all03:00
pips1btw, did the latest update, went ok03:00
pips1prognus, hi03:01
zakameevening edubunteros! :D03:02
prognusI'm trying to use edubuntu, I setted up a box and boot a fat client03:02
prognusbut I can't login on the client....03:02
prognussomeone could help me? (maybe in pvt?)03:03
ograprognus, try running: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys and try again to login03:04
prognusok03:04
prognusworked!!!03:06
prognusthanks ogra03:06
ogra:)03:06
prognusbut my gnome have no theme03:06
ograthats breezy ? 03:07
prognusdapper fligth-403:08
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ograah ... 03:09
prognusI was with the same user on server and client03:09
ograyou are logged in twice with this user, right ?03:09
prognusyes... sorry03:09
pips1ogra, gcompris won't launch...03:09
ograhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/26_allow_single_user_multiple_logins.patch03:10
ograthat one is waiting for inclusion03:10
ograit fixes the theme issue 03:10
ogracan you start it from a terminal and see whats the eroor ? 03:10
pips1the screen resolution get's adjusted, I get a white screen, with only the normal gnome menu items at the top, a big red cursor, but I can't click on anything and the harddisk is still doing some reads...03:12
pips1i.e. behaves like a soft freeze03:12
pips1ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't do anything03:12
pips1can't switch to another console either03:13
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pips1hmm03:14
prognusI logged with another user and all works fine, thanks03:14
prognusedubuntu have something implemented about local devices?03:14
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ogranot it dapper ...03:15
ograwill be in dapper +103:15
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prognusI'll try to implemet ltspfs03:17
pips1ogra, gcompris works for you?03:17
jsgotangcoit works after an updated03:19
jsgotangcos/updated/update03:19
pips1well, I just did an update 30 mins ago...03:19
ograpips1, yes, it does03:20
jsgotangcomine didnt work from flight4, but ogra updated it and it now works03:20
jsgotangcopips1: does it crash after the intro music ends?03:20
pips1maybe it's an amd64 prob?03:20
pips1jsgotangco, aha03:20
ogranope, i tested the fix on amd6403:21
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ograthe only arch i dont test on is normally i386 :)03:21
ograsince you can mostly assume it works there if it wirks on the two other arches ...03:21
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jsgotangcofrom flight4, it only plays the intro music then crashes03:22
jsgotangcoand it used to hijack the resolution on mine03:22
jsgotangcobut after the upload its tame now03:22
ograthat was th plan with this upload ;)03:23
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pips1hmm, my system is up to date...03:24
pips1gcompris 7.2-1ubuntu203:25
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ograthe version is right ... hmm ...03:27
pips1well, I did dpkg -l gcompris03:27
pips1that doesn't give me the installed version, but the latest version in the db, right?03:28
pips1how do I find out the actual installed version no.?03:28
prognusedubuntu has an lts.conf? I can't find....03:29
ogranope, that command is right ... 03:29
pips1oh03:29
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ograif the line starts with ii03:29
ograthen its installed03:29
Yagisando I still get to hear at the server when everyone logs on ?03:29
pips1it does start with ii03:29
ograprognus, nope, create one in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf03:30
pips1what is the util that allows you to retrieve more info about crashes?03:31
prognusok, thanks again03:31
pips1jsgotangco, I have the same symptoms, i.e. the intro music is played, my resolution get's hijacked and then crashes03:32
jsgotangcoyup that's amd64 sympton in flight403:33
jsgotangcobut strange, i updated, it works now03:33
ograhere as well03:33
pips1doesn't work for me, even after i updated just now ??? 8-O03:33
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jsgotangcocan you run it on console and see it you get segfault errors03:34
ograpips1, try mv ~/.gcompris ~/.gcompris.bak03:34
jsgotangcoheh segfault is already an error03:34
pips1you mean, I should start it from console like '# gcompris' ?03:35
pips1ogra, jsgotangco what should I try first?03:35
ogramove the dir and run it from console afterwards ...03:36
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jsgotangcopips1: you can try ogra first03:36
Yagisannight all03:36
pips1ah03:36
ograso you have tested both ;)03:36
pips1ok03:36
pips1ok, I moved the dir to .bak and then launched it from the menu --> crash03:38
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pips1ak, I tried launching it from console, I got some error msg there, but I guess I need to pipe it into some txt file, because now I get the white screen and I need to reboot03:42
pips1sorry, bear with me, I'm not that experienced with linux debugging :-)03:43
ograin any case please file a bug about it ...03:44
pips1ah, I get some error about the locale...03:46
pips1ogra, in malone, right?03:47
pips1well, looks my prob looks like this one https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gcompris/+bug/2964303:50
pips1but how can I capture the console message ... so I can compare it with this bug report ?03:50
pips1jsgotangco, any tips how to "capture" my console output before the crash?03:51
jsgotangcohmmm?03:56
jsgotangcojust run gcompris from console...03:56
pips1well, yes, then I see some messages on the console, but only for a very short time, and then I get the crash an need to reboot03:57
jsgotangcothe console doesn't say anything?03:57
jsgotangconot even segfault?03:58
pips1it does, but I don't have time to read it, before my resolution gets hijacked, that is...03:58
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alejandroogra, have you tested audio support with LTSP?04:23
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jjjjjjjhello?06:47
DeeJay1hi06:47
jjjjjjjdo you use vsftpd by any chance?06:48
DeeJay1nope, sorry06:48
jjjjjjjnp06:48
jjjjjjji was going down the lstp road when i got sidetracked by vsftpd06:49
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jjjjjjjer ltsp i mean06:50
jjjjjjjmy goal is to try a classroom server with thin clients06:50
jjjjjjji'm not a teacher... my wife is tho.  but it could be a computer centre too where it is used.06:51
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fyzixHas any of you tried the flight4 edubuntu livecd?09:46
fyzixIts my impression that it has a totally dull bootsplash, and there is no shutdown-splash. what do you think?09:47
fyzixwould it be wrong to file a bug?09:59
ogra_shutdown splash is planned for dapper+1, it was no target for this release ...10:00
ogra_the format of the bootsplash has changed, so the old image looks a bit streched ...10:00
fyzixogra ok. but also the acknowledge "ok" during boot are grayish. Isn't Edubuntu supposed to look more lively?10:07
ogra_we're supposed to get the same artwork ubuntu and kubuntu get before release, i havent seen anything yet though ...10:08
fyzixok, I guess it's just to wait then...10:09
ogra_what you see is the breezy bootsplash, it was a quick gimp work shortly before the deadline ...10:09
ogra_i agree that the colors are a bug ...10:09
fyzixhehe :-)10:09
fyzixogra I tried writing the livecd with 8x speed like you told me to in the bug report, It didn't help anything though10:11
ogra_but if it works on two other machines, i doubt its CD related ...10:14
fyzixyeah, but I have no idea what else it could be... I suppose I don't use that computer anyway, but still, somebody else might have problems with it.10:15
ogra_its the only report i have about it so far ...10:18
ogra_did you try the computer with another bootable CD ?10:19
fyzixI will try that later, but as far as I remember it has always had a problem with ubuntu livecds. It got kubuntu breezy installed though, so install cd should work.10:22
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] _azarusI may not be searching well enough but I'm unable to find the default root password for Edubuntu. Anyone know it?10:46
ogra_there is none 10:46
] _azarusDon't you hate it when the answer is so obvious it's painful? ;)10:47
ogra_https://wiki.edubuntu.org/RootSudo10:47
] _azarusThanks for that.10:48
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juliuxogra_, the bootsplash on the thinclient is very great!!11:08
ogra_:)11:08
juliuxi have installed flight4 on my laptop11:08
juliuxand my thinclients have now 128MB ram11:08
ogra_cool11:10
juliuxi will take my laptop and 2 thinclient to the cebit11:10
juliuxand will show ubuntu and edubuntu dapper on it11:10
ogra_cool :=)11:11
juliuxand i have bought a python with gut book11:11
juliuxs/gut/gui11:11
ogra_hehe11:12
juliuxbecaue i have a free semster 11:13
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ubuntu__jinty: hi11:30
jintyhey ubuntu__11:31
ubuntu__jinty: oops, sorry, pips1 here (writing from a dapper flight 4 live cd :-)11:31
jintyanything interesting happening?11:31
jintyahh11:31
ubuntu__jinty: well, apart from the feature freeze in ubuntu?11:31
jintyhi again, been a while11:31
ubuntu__jinty: how is the schooltool packaging situation?11:32
jintyshould be resolving itself very shortly11:32
jintyI am actually doing a final test on my local machine right now11:32
lucasvoubuntu__: any url of the work you have already done?11:32
ubuntu__jinty: yes, it's been quite a long time... i got sucked up completely by my "day job" which turned out to be a day and night job ;-)11:33
ubuntu__jinty: good one!11:34
ubuntu__lucasvo: there isnt much too see yet...11:35
lucasvook11:36
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ubuntu__jinty: all the best with your packaging! looking forward to put st to the test :-) 11:38
ubuntu__got to reboot... cu11:38
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