[12:07] <kjaer> I am wondering, are you focusing primarily at schools for small kids ?
[12:09] <kjaer> In my opinion you could add some latex packages for chemisty and physics. And also some kind of computer algebra system. Then it would suit perfectly for highschool students.
[12:10] <kjaer> And documentation for the latex packages, how this makes your life easier.
[12:58] <Gadi> has anyone here had problems with debootstrap today against the us mirror?
[01:49] <dsaa|away> is it posible to install edubuntu directly from HD to HD?
[01:51] <Burgwork> dsaa|away, yes, as you would Ubuntu
[01:52] <dsaa|away> bugwork: how?
[01:52] <dsaa|away> burgwork i mean.
[01:53] <Burgwork> dsaa|away, sorry, no clue
[01:53] <Burgwork> wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation may have something
[01:54] <dsaa|away> burgwork: thanks
[01:55] <jjjjjjj> ehllo
[01:56] <Burgwork> hey
[01:57] <jjjjjjj> well i will take my chance and ask:  in windows when I add a user I can say the user has to change password at next logon.  I dont see that in edubuntu
[01:57] <jjjjjjj> how long does a pw last in ubuntu?
[01:58] <Burgwork> there is that option in Ubuntu as well, but this is better to ask in #ubuntu
[01:59] <jjjjjjj> i am using edubuntu sorry
[02:00] <Burgwork> it would be the same in either
[02:00] <jjjjjjj> do you know where?
[02:00] <jjjjjjj> in the os i do this?
[02:00] <Burgwork> sorry, no idea
[02:01] <jjjjjjj> well thanks for at least replying.... i hardly come here because no one ever responds. <sigh>
[02:01] <jjjjjjj> good luck
[02:01] <Burgwork> np
[05:29] <mhz> jsgotangco: ping
[05:29] <mhz> jsgotangco: ever trasnformed avi into vcd ?
[05:30] <jsgotangco> not in linux though
[05:30] <mhz> hmm
[05:34] <mhz> jsgotangco:  mencvcd matrix matrix.avi
[05:35] <mhz> mjpehtools
[05:35] <mhz> it is not in main
[08:24] <enyc> meep
[08:24] <enyc> q-)
[08:26] <enyc> I would like to know about squidguard+edubutu (or othor web-filtering...) in dapper-to-come release ;-)
[08:31] <enyc> meep
[08:31] <enyc> ;-)
[08:36] <enyc> meep
[08:36] <enyc> ;-)
[08:51] <highvoltage> enyc: beep
[08:51] <highvoltage> ogra mentioned privoxy a while ago, which i like a lot. not sure what happened about that. i was meaning to ask him.
[08:58] <jsgotangco> ARRGHGHHH
[08:58] <jsgotangco> Gcompris hijacks my resolution setttings
[08:58] <jsgotangco> then decides to go kthxbye
[09:00] <jsgotangco> oohhh
[09:00] <jsgotangco> nice error message
[09:01] <jsgotangco> segfault and that's it
[09:01] <jsgotangco> Kaiser_Away, x86 or amd64?
[09:01] <Kaiser_Away> x86, my mate was investigateing, so I'm not sure of the details
[09:02] <jsgotangco> it also happens in amd64
[09:02] <Kaiser_Away> hm
[09:03] <jsgotangco> Kaiser_Away, does the intro music finish first before crashing?
[09:04] <Kaiser_Away> jsgotangco: not sure, i wasnt sitting at it, i just got told (and got given back a pc with a funny res)
[09:05] <jsgotangco> ok i'll do a trace
[09:07] <jsgotangco> Kaiser_Away, the best gcompris performance i had was in hoary...in breezy, sound doesn't work on me
[09:08] <Kaiser_Away> jsgotangco: i had never seen it before Breezy - not the sort of app i ususaly use ;)
[09:09] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:23] <highvoltage> hi pips1 
[09:23] <highvoltage> pips1: i talked to znarl (ubuntu sysadmin), he said he'll try his best to have proto.edubuntu up by tomorrow
[09:25] <lucasvo> pips1: hoi ;-)
[09:26] <lucasvo> pips1: you are doing the homepage for edubuntu?
[09:27] <highvoltage> hi lucasvo 
[09:28] <highvoltage> pips1 will be helping out on the new drupal site, he has lots of ideas for the drupal implementation
[09:30] <lucasvo> only typo3 
[09:30] <lucasvo> which rocks
[09:32] <highvoltage> we've decided to stick to drupal now, though. since we've changed our minds too much in the past
[09:32] <lucasvo> np
[09:33] <lucasvo> http://vincisolutions.wservices.ch/index.php
[09:33] <lucasvo> (typo3))
[09:34] <pips1> highvoltage, hi
[09:34] <pips1> lucasvo, hi
[09:35] <lucasvo> pips1: where are you frim?
[09:35] <lucasvo> s/i/o/g
[09:35] <pips1> lucasvo, zurich
[09:35] <pips1> you?
[09:35] <highvoltage> perhaps i should try nscreen too :)
[09:36] <highvoltage> gnu screen doesn't always play nicely with gnome-terminal
[09:45] <divansantana> ogra: U there?
[09:45] <divansantana> ogra: Have good news for a change! :D
[09:56] <lucasvo> pips1: ich auch
[09:56] <lucasvo> highvoltage: it is almost working
[09:57] <lucasvo> they only offer blackberry service for  big companies with special contracts
[11:40] <juliux> ogra, you have done a great job for dapper
[11:40] <juliux> ogra, it is very fast boot up
[11:42] <jsgotangco> JaneW, are we having a meeting later?
[11:43] <JaneW> jsgotangco: hi, yes
[11:45] <jsgotangco> JaneW, ok might not come on time, my update is that the preview of docs are now in doc.ubuntu.com but i want to ask the group if a quickguide is still desirable i already have something in my laptop but i haven't upladed yet because it has some pngs....if the cookbook still has no update, i would push for the desktop quickguide since i already have made some screenshots and text
[11:46] <JaneW> jsgotangco: ok, I'll mention that
[11:46] <JaneW> jsgotangco: there was discussion of release notes yesterday
[11:47] <jsgotangco> they can do it on wiki then i'll move to svn
[11:47] <JaneW> jsgotangco: they want to keep the announcements very lean and link the release announcements to the release notes for each derivative
[11:48] <jsgotangco> thats better
[11:49] <jsgotangco> ok i'll try to catch up later then
[12:32] <mhz> JaneW: hi there, have you been able to talk with Mr. S.?
[12:36] <JaneW> mhz: no, but I have mailed him
[12:37] <JaneW> mhz: afaik he gets back to London next week...
[12:37] <mhz> JaneW: oh, then, you knowing him, what would be the best tip for me? move on?
[12:39] <mhz> JaneW: move on = dont consider his support and just use the resources I have available today?
[12:39] <JaneW> mhz: have you tried mailing cvd? she would know if he has asked for it to be scheduled in his dairy...
[12:39] <JaneW> mhz: mail her at claire@canonical.com
[12:39] <mhz> JaneW: oh, that I'll do immediately, thx
[12:44] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu dev Update Meeting in 15 mins in #ubuntu-meeting
[12:45] <JaneW> time to get a coffee/beverage of choice/last smoke/toilet break/dog walk etc ;)
[12:46] <highvoltage> thanks for the coffee/dog reminder
[12:50] <mhz> highvoltage: hi there!!!
[12:55] <highvoltage> hi mhz !!!
[12:59] <pips1> hi mhz, I was hoping you would make it to the "website meeting" on monday, to join our heated debate :-)
[01:00] <mhz> pips1: me too but i had a very stupid accident :(
[01:00] <pips1> oh
[01:00] <highvoltage> mhz: how so?
[01:02] <mhz> highvoltage: i landed over a 'cement' field, with my left elbow, left knee and my right hand, so I hardly walk and the elbow injury pain is killing me
[01:02] <highvoltage> ouch
[01:02] <mhz> highvoltage: i could easily see the bone of it 
[01:02] <highvoltage> how did you land? were you running or was this from a vehicle?
[01:02] <mhz> and it looked so 'ugly' that my daughter started to cry
[01:03] <highvoltage> JaneW: perhaps we should schedule seperate rambling sessions for #edubuntu ;)
[01:03] <mhz> ;)
[01:03] <highvoltage> mhz: hope it gets better real soon.
[01:03] <mhz> highvoltage: i was running to the meeting :D
[01:03] <highvoltage> nothing worse than having to work when you hurt
[01:03] <highvoltage> oh no!
[01:03] <mhz> highvoltage: thx
[01:04] <mhz> me too! so I can sleep on well
[01:08] <enyc> < highvoltage> ogra mentioned privoxy a while ago, which i like a lot. 
[01:08] <enyc>                      not sure what happened about that. i was meaning to ask 
[01:08] <enyc>                      him.
[01:08] <enyc> hrrrm
[01:08] <enyc> highvoltage: thanks for letting me know ;-)
[01:16] <pips1> enyc, most people are in #ubuntu-meeting right now
[01:44] <JaneW> flint makes me feel violent
[01:44] <ogra> heh
[01:45] <ogra> FITS !
[01:45] <jsgotangco> i'll chuck in a quickguide if it still fits the cd
[01:45] <jsgotangco> well actually i've already written like 1/4 of it
[01:46] <mhz> jsgotangco: it will fit
[01:46] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes your version was great, I have NO idea what they are doing now.
[01:47] <JaneW> I am grateful for what they are doing, but if it amounts to nothing it will have been a tremendous waste of time
[01:47] <jsgotangco> i dunno sorry to say i consider it vaporware for now
[01:47] <jsgotangco> if they continued with my original sources, they have already covered 1/3 of the content
[01:47] <jsgotangco> back then, the problem was how our LTSP will be executed
[01:48] <Yagisan> JaneW: I can see what you mean
[01:48] <highvoltage> almost mentioned this in #ubuntu-meeting, but it's a bit off-topic
[01:48] <JaneW> I am not sure whether to have faith in them pulling it off, or moving to a plan B already...
[01:49] <highvoltage> i've come a bit further with Xola: http://jonathancarter.co.za/projects/xola/index.py
[01:49] <highvoltage> check the "I need diagnostic lab information." I think it's kinda cool.
[01:49] <highvoltage> i want to do a similar diagnostic page for edubuntu, when it's more mature.
[01:49] <JaneW> I feel like in all the time we have talked about it I could have just done it (though I prolly couldn't have)
[01:49] <JaneW> highvoltage: thanks I will look
[01:49] <mhz> JaneW: in Chile we have  a saying: "Dont place all eggs in same container" (or something like that, sorry for translation)
[01:50] <Yagisan> mhz: Don't play all you eggs in one basket
[01:50] <mhz> hence, Planb B and C should always be on progress along with Plan A
[01:50] <Yagisan> s/play/place
[01:50] <highvoltage> in English, there's a saying "Don't put all your eggs in one basket"
[01:50] <mhz> Yagisan: oh, much better!
[01:50] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: is that za_EN
[01:50] <mhz> highvoltage: hehee, that too
[01:50] <Yagisan> heh - beat highvoltage
[01:51] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yeah, I suppose so!
[01:52] <JaneW> mhz: here it's 'don't put all your eggs in one basket'
[01:52] <mhz> okis
[01:52] <JaneW> sorry I am slow
[01:52] <JaneW> the wiki version of the cookbook is gone...
[01:52] <mhz> so JaneW, dont feel bad to have 3 plans
[01:53] <JaneW> thing is flint has a different MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE each week
[01:53] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:53] <JaneW> a few weeks back he was very worried about the picture of Richard Stallman and it HAD TO BE CHANGED
[01:53] <mhz> my idea would be: Plan A -> Jelkner and Kjcole work    Plan B -> Jsgotanco and Mhz quickguide   Plan C -> highvoltage's
[01:54] <jsgotangco> mhz: that's terrible 3 plans...
[01:54] <mhz> hehehehe
[01:54] <jsgotangco> mhz: you'll kill the project manager
[01:54] <mhz> lol
[01:54] <JaneW> mhz: but highvoltage's is specific to SA and the tuxLabs stuff...
[01:54] <JaneW> which is back to where we started ;)
[01:54] <jsgotangco> yeah
[01:55] <jsgotangco> it doesn't help that i stated the cookbook out of sheer boredom
[01:55] <mhz> JaneW: oh sure, but it can be summarized easily in 10 days of active work
[01:55] <mhz> active = at least 3 hours among 10 people
[01:55] <mhz> 3 hours a day
[01:55] <jsgotangco> mhz: this is not the real issue imo
[01:56] <jsgotangco> mhz: our current LTSP has some modifications with the previous LTSP
[01:56] <mhz> yup
[01:56] <jsgotangco> but they're not big changes
[01:56] <mhz> I know that
[01:56] <jsgotangco> so a any manual can still apply if the 5.10 was used
[01:56] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: did you get my soft-module update?
[01:56] <Yagisan> but they are *important* changes
[01:56] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: it covers edubuntu ltsp, as apposed to ltsp.org
[01:56] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i haven't
[01:56] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: it's almost like a diff-doc to the old cookbook
[01:57] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i can merge it if you want
[01:57] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: in that case, i'll make a plan to get it out
[01:57] <mhz> JaneW: see? doable
[01:57] <mhz> not ideal but doable
[01:57] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: i already had an original 1/3 document and they decided to do again from scratch
[01:58] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: could I see your document. If it is already 1/3 done, it should already be very useful
[01:58] <mhz> .oO(not bzr??)
[01:58] <mhz> ;)
[01:59] <juliux> re
[01:59] <mhz> jsgotangco: lol
[01:59] <mhz> I know, I know
[01:59] <highvoltage> JaneW: i don't think it helps adding fuel to the flint fire ;)
[02:00] <juliux> hm why is the ubuntu server so slow? dont want wait 6h for edubuntu fligth4 image
[02:00] <JaneW> highvoltage: you are right
[02:00] <JaneW> OMmmmmm
[02:00] <mhz> JaneW: lol
[02:01] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i guess this is a good time to take out those fish stockings...
[02:01] <mhz> JaneW: I can offer nice tea cup from my garden
[02:01] <JaneW> jsgotangco: behave!
[02:02] <JaneW> woof
[02:03] <mhz> so JaneW can we have 3 plans or 2 is fine ?
[02:03] <JaneW> mhz: I think 2
[02:03] <JaneW> mhz: we can always combine 2&3 I think...
[02:03] <mhz> Yagisan: don't talk aboiut food please, I have not eaten in 12 hours
[02:03] <mhz> JaneW: okis.
[02:04] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: can you send me the doc when you get it thnx
[02:04] <JaneW> mhz: is mhz_cooking broken?
[02:04] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: just getting permission, it's a pre-release doc. i think i'll upload it and then post to edubuntu-devel
[02:04] <mhz> JaneW: however, I do admit that jelkner and kjcole wikied the status 2 weeks ago and called for help.
[02:04] <Yagisan> highvoltage: we don't need ops here - thx
[02:04] <mhz> JaneW: hehe
[02:04] <JaneW> mhz: yes I am not going to bale on them yet, but I am feeling less 'safe'
[02:05] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: ok thanks cheers
[02:05] <JaneW> highvoltage: who made you boss? ;)
[02:05] <highvoltage> some idiot called chanserv
[02:05] <JaneW> heh
[02:06] <jsgotangco> mhz: i'm going to ignore your roadmap for a while, i don't think we have time to create elaborate plans 
[02:06] <mhz> JaneW: i was going to post 'me offering' but then we talked about a quick guide with jsgotangco and it sounded more doable for my time-availability
[02:06] <mhz> jsgotangco: okis, what do you propose?
[02:06] <jsgotangco> mhz: write
[02:07] <mhz> jsgotangco: write about whatever we feel is needed?
[02:08] <squareyes> Evening all
[02:08] <mhz> jsgotangco: ?
[02:08] <mhz> squareyes: hi there
[02:09] <jsgotangco> mhz: yup based on EdubuntuQuickguide which is doable
[02:09] <flint> ogra, we can continue here if you feel up to it.
[02:09] <flint> jsgotangco, you got a url for me on the quickguide?
[02:09] <jsgotangco> flint: hold on i'm moving content
[02:10] <squareyes> Have been having a play with edubuntu, when I run one of the games, and close it down, the Education heading in Applications list disappears. I s this a known bug?
[02:10] <mhz> jsgotangco: so the last 3 point have priority now? #
[02:10] <mhz> Write the Introduction to the Guide
[02:10] <mhz> #
[02:10] <mhz> Write and show the environment the user may see in Edubuntu
[02:10] <mhz> #
[02:10] <mhz> Add some references to get additional information and support
[02:10] <flint> jsgotangco, no problemmo, keep in mind I actually studied the damn tuxlab book, it was not bad...
[02:10] <jsgotangco> flint: i'm not writing a server book
[02:11] <jsgotangco> ill brb first
[02:11] <flint> jsgotangco, what the distro needs is a quick guide that a stressed and ignorant installer can find.  the firefox default page...
[02:11] <mhz> flint: this is for a teacher-student (not admins) needing a quick "let's see this edubuntu thing"
[02:11] <ogra> squareyes, breezy or dapper ? this happened very early in the dapper development cycle, but is solved since quite a while
[02:12] <highvoltage> flint, jsgotangco: http://jonathancarter.ossn.co.za/files/howto/
[02:12] <flint> mhz, show me something.  the last thing anyone needs is the pablum of the ubuntu default page IMHO.  they need something more than this.
[02:12] <mhz> ogra: nice F4 announcement BTW
[02:12] <highvoltage> there are two openoffice documents with the new edubuntu-y stuff
[02:12] <ogra> mhz, heh, it had weird grammar ... 
[02:13] <highvoltage> meant to replace certain parts of the old cookbook.
[02:13] <ogra> edubuntu-y ?
[02:13] <flint> highvoltage, christ jonathan, this is only a half a meg!!!!
[02:13] <mhz> flint: yup, we have no "firefox default page", iirc
[02:13] <flint> why the f**k cannot we get this on the distro ollie?
[02:13] <ogra> mhz, we have one ... its just broken it seems
[02:13] <highvoltage> flint: it's not an entire cookbook, only some updates (and it includes images)
[02:13] <squareyes> Not sure, am using ubuntu breezy at the moment,happened yesterday, , will be back if I re-boot, is there anyway to get it back otherwise?
[02:14] <flint> ogra, it is not broken, it is the standard default page that the ubuntu firefox product installs.
[02:14] <mhz> ogra: sorry, we =  in the quickguide, yet
[02:14] <ogra> squareyes, look in the bugtracker, i think its documented somewhere ...
[02:14] <flint> ogra, did the chroot thing get fixed in flight 4?
[02:14] <ogra> mhz, i have a edubuntu homepage in my breezy installs ...
[02:15] <squareyes> OK thanks ogra
[02:15] <mhz> ogra: yes, me too
[02:15] <ogra> flint, which chroot thing ? 
[02:15] <mhz> ogra: we use that as base for dapper?
[02:15] <ogra> i thought so ...
[02:15] <flint> ogra, i ignored the error I got at install with flight 3 and got a very serviceable edubuntu dapper.
[02:15] <ogra> the moodle part needs to be redone ... and a link to the locka schooltool install should go in
[02:16] <ogra> *local
[02:16] <flint> ogra, I talked with you on the chroot error i got... remember? (so many bugs so little time - the Oliver story  :^)
[02:16] <ogra> flint, its all fine now ... it just appears that ltsp-update-sshkeys isnt run from the installer ...
[02:16] <ogra> so one manual command left that i have to track down ...
[02:17] <flint> ogra, yea, that's it, that's the ticket! :^)
[02:17] <ogra> as ssoon as i have time today i'll make the last merges from debian/skolelinux to ltsp ...
[02:17] <mhz> ogra: see deadlines in https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuQuickguide/RoadMap
[02:17] <mhz> sorry
[02:17] <flint> I will download the flight and try to break it!
[02:17] <mhz> ogra: see deadlines in http://mhz.homelinux.org/elwiki/FunPictures
[02:17] <ogra> flint, go !
[02:18] <squareyes> Thanks for the help, take care, bye for now
[02:18] <mhz> and Mistakes, ogra 
[02:19] <flint> mhz, termin ist termin, excellent!
[02:19] <mhz> heheh
[02:19] <ogra> heh
[02:20] <pips1> mhz, termin LOL
[02:20] <mhz> http://mhz.homelinux.org/elwiki/FunPictures/CustomerService
[02:21] <flint> anyway, ollie, am I asking too much to get something on that firefox default page that is usefull?
[02:21] <pips1> ogra, i did the same thing like flint, I installed flight3 and have been updating without probs ever since... should I install flight 4 and see how that works?
[02:22] <flint> b back in a few minutes...
[02:23] <Yagisan> hands up everyone here that likes fedora boxes.
[02:23] <mhz> flint: why dont you wiki a page listing the topics you would consider 'useful' in the default page of firefox. Maybe we already have the info and it only a matter of putting all pieces together
[02:23] <ogra> pips1, as you like... good to hear that upgrading worked so far
[02:23] <mhz> Yagisan: down _0_
[02:24] <Yagisan> see - no hands. After having to fix one today I know why
[02:24] <ogra> the most intresting changes were in ltsp ... thats most worth testing though
[02:24] <pips1> ogra, i can't test any of the ltsp server stuff though, i only go a single workstation for testing here :-/
[02:24] <pips1> ah, well...
[02:24] <Yagisan> pips1: vmware - qemu ?
[02:25] <pips1> Yagisan, sorry, no, I meant to get vmware installed, but haven't found the time to actually do it :-/
[02:26] <Yagisan> pips1: its in universe
[02:26] <Yagisan> slower, but works mostly similar.
[02:26] <pips1> Yagisan, cheers
[02:26] <mhz> jsgotangco: gotta go to doc now. I'll be back near 01:00 AM UTC (thursday). Please even email me or wiki your summary of a proposal we work on these next 10 days (or less) for the quick guide so I can comment it. Thanks man. Oh, and let me know if i continue working on the Category Cross-listing for moin.
[02:26] <Yagisan> I have used it to test workstation mode, but it *should* also do networking
[02:27] <mhz> well, guys, Bye all! see ya tomorrow
[02:27] <flint> mhz could i do this on the ubuntu documentation page that exists?
[02:27] <Yagisan> see you mhz
[02:27] <mhz> flint: hmm, wikiing is better so we can all work on it and subscribe to changes. 
[02:27] <flint> ogra, I can test the ltsp and give you a-b timing comparisons...
[02:28] <mhz> Yagisan: bye Yagisan 
[02:29] <flint> ogra, I am so uninterested in the differences between a moin, a wiki and drupal.  Is there something wrong with me?
[02:29] <Yagisan> flint: in one word. yes.
[02:29] <highvoltage> flint: short answer: yes.
[02:29] <flint> ogra, do not answer that last question, answer this one instead.  
[02:29] <Yagisan> ;)
[02:29] <highvoltage> Yagisan: ^5
[02:29] <flint> lol
[02:30] <flint> for my money you guys are all like great solo guitar players, and one likes a fender, and the other a gibson, and the third a silvertone.  I just like the the music.
[02:31] <flint> ogra, my thought for the day relates to multimedia on a workstation.  If you had local storage could you play it on a workstation?
[02:32] <flint> with local storage could you display multimedia content (eg full frame dvd video) on a local worksation with a dvd player as the local storage device?
[02:33] <flint> ogra, just want an opinion here...  this is my fanciful thought for the morning.  Had a long night.
[02:33] <ogra> unlikely ... 
[02:34] <ogra> only if you run the mediaplayer locally as well
[02:34] <flint> flint, realizes that he has really got Oliver pensive...
[02:34] <ogra> else the data has to got through the net several timmes
[02:35] <flint> ogra, yea, that is what I thought.  the local storage would need to have local applications available to exploit the local storage... excellent point
[02:35] <ogra> i.e: from the local CD drive to the desktop on the server ... there it gets played by the mediaplayer and the video picture is forwarded through the net to the client ... thats one time to much ...
[02:35] <flint> so you travel down a slippery slope whenever you start on the path of local storage...
[02:36] <ogra> they are unrelated
[02:36] <flint> ogra, last night I played wth vobs over the net.  This is not a fun way to deliver content...
[02:36] <ogra> one is about storage, one about multimedia playback
[02:37] <flint> ogra, I would like to hold the grail of local media playback for ltsp in  my hand and drink from this chalice. :^)
[02:38] <flint> flint, clearly maintains his vanity...
[02:38] <ogra> go ahead ... note that my focus for dapper+1 is already on local devices ...
[02:38] <flint> ogra, and a powerful focus it is my friend.  thanks for your thoughts.
[02:39] <flint> ok let me go and torrent down flight 4.  I do not feel right if I am not complaining about something :^)
[02:41] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: this is awesome
[02:41] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: its like a full rewrite
[02:41] <jsgotangco> hmm
[02:41] <jsgotangco> actually
[02:41] <jsgotangco> it *is*
[02:42] <jsgotangco> its a bit advanced though
[02:42] <jsgotangco> JaneW: it seems highvoltage wrote a cookbook
[02:42] <ogra> lets cook then :)+
[02:43] <Yagisan> can I have fires with that ?
[02:43] <Yagisan> mmm - pyromania
[02:43] <jsgotangco> it starts with setup
[02:43] <jsgotangco> then adding users
[02:43] <jsgotangco> troubleshooting
[02:44] <jsgotangco> i can incorporate this
[02:47] <Yagisan> highvoltage: your tuxlabs book
[02:48] <Yagisan> it looks rather good. I'm reading it now
[02:50] <pips1> ogra, I updated to links from flight 3 to flight 4 on this page https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu I hope that's in your sense (hh, "in deinem Sinn")
[02:51] <ogra> yup, thanks a lot :)
[02:51] <pips1> I didn't quite catch what you said about willow... (is that for dapper+1 ?)
[02:51] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: that's meant to be an update to the content the the old one, so it's probably not suitable on it's own, and it is still very tuxlab-based
[02:52] <highvoltage> Yagisan: thanks :)
[02:52] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: there are some, but the start/install part is applicable
[02:54] <pips1> ogra, what's the story with the willow content-filtering? will that be in dapper?
[02:54] <ogra> nope
[02:55] <ogra> its not packaged yet, it takes quite some time to get such a package right ...
[02:55] <pips1> oki, ic
[02:55] <ogra> i want automatic transparent proxying if possible 
[02:55] <ogra> thats tricky to implement right
[03:00] <prognus> hi all
[03:00] <pips1> btw, did the latest update, went ok
[03:01] <pips1> prognus, hi
[03:02] <zakame> evening edubunteros! :D
[03:02] <prognus> I'm trying to use edubuntu, I setted up a box and boot a fat client
[03:02] <prognus> but I can't login on the client....
[03:03] <prognus> someone could help me? (maybe in pvt?)
[03:04] <ogra> prognus, try running: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys and try again to login
[03:04] <prognus> ok
[03:06] <prognus> worked!!!
[03:06] <prognus> thanks ogra
[03:06] <ogra> :)
[03:06] <prognus> but my gnome have no theme
[03:07] <ogra> thats breezy ? 
[03:08] <prognus> dapper fligth-4
[03:09] <ogra> ah ... 
[03:09] <prognus> I was with the same user on server and client
[03:09] <ogra> you are logged in twice with this user, right ?
[03:09] <prognus> yes... sorry
[03:09] <pips1> ogra, gcompris won't launch...
[03:10] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/26_allow_single_user_multiple_logins.patch
[03:10] <ogra> that one is waiting for inclusion
[03:10] <ogra> it fixes the theme issue 
[03:10] <ogra> can you start it from a terminal and see whats the eroor ? 
[03:12] <pips1> the screen resolution get's adjusted, I get a white screen, with only the normal gnome menu items at the top, a big red cursor, but I can't click on anything and the harddisk is still doing some reads...
[03:12] <pips1> i.e. behaves like a soft freeze
[03:12] <pips1> ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't do anything
[03:13] <pips1> can't switch to another console either
[03:14] <pips1> hmm
[03:14] <prognus> I logged with another user and all works fine, thanks
[03:14] <prognus> edubuntu have something implemented about local devices?
[03:15] <ogra> not it dapper ...
[03:15] <ogra> will be in dapper +1
[03:17] <prognus> I'll try to implemet ltspfs
[03:17] <pips1> ogra, gcompris works for you?
[03:19] <jsgotangco> it works after an updated
[03:19] <jsgotangco> s/updated/update
[03:19] <pips1> well, I just did an update 30 mins ago...
[03:20] <ogra> pips1, yes, it does
[03:20] <jsgotangco> mine didnt work from flight4, but ogra updated it and it now works
[03:20] <jsgotangco> pips1: does it crash after the intro music ends?
[03:20] <pips1> maybe it's an amd64 prob?
[03:20] <pips1> jsgotangco, aha
[03:21] <ogra> nope, i tested the fix on amd64
[03:21] <ogra> the only arch i dont test on is normally i386 :)
[03:21] <ogra> since you can mostly assume it works there if it wirks on the two other arches ...
[03:22] <jsgotangco> from flight4, it only plays the intro music then crashes
[03:22] <jsgotangco> and it used to hijack the resolution on mine
[03:22] <jsgotangco> but after the upload its tame now
[03:23] <ogra> that was th plan with this upload ;)
[03:24] <pips1> hmm, my system is up to date...
[03:25] <pips1> gcompris 7.2-1ubuntu2
[03:27] <ogra> the version is right ... hmm ...
[03:27] <pips1> well, I did dpkg -l gcompris
[03:28] <pips1> that doesn't give me the installed version, but the latest version in the db, right?
[03:28] <pips1> how do I find out the actual installed version no.?
[03:29] <prognus> edubuntu has an lts.conf? I can't find....
[03:29] <ogra> nope, that command is right ... 
[03:29] <pips1> oh
[03:29] <ogra> if the line starts with ii
[03:29] <ogra> then its installed
[03:29] <Yagisan> do I still get to hear at the server when everyone logs on ?
[03:29] <pips1> it does start with ii
[03:30] <ogra> prognus, nope, create one in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
[03:31] <pips1> what is the util that allows you to retrieve more info about crashes?
[03:31] <prognus> ok, thanks again
[03:32] <pips1> jsgotangco, I have the same symptoms, i.e. the intro music is played, my resolution get's hijacked and then crashes
[03:33] <jsgotangco> yup that's amd64 sympton in flight4
[03:33] <jsgotangco> but strange, i updated, it works now
[03:33] <ogra> here as well
[03:33] <pips1> doesn't work for me, even after i updated just now ??? 8-O
[03:34] <jsgotangco> can you run it on console and see it you get segfault errors
[03:34] <ogra> pips1, try mv ~/.gcompris ~/.gcompris.bak
[03:34] <jsgotangco> heh segfault is already an error
[03:35] <pips1> you mean, I should start it from console like '# gcompris' ?
[03:35] <pips1> ogra, jsgotangco what should I try first?
[03:36] <ogra> move the dir and run it from console afterwards ...
[03:36] <jsgotangco> pips1: you can try ogra first
[03:36] <Yagisan> night all
[03:36] <pips1> ah
[03:36] <ogra> so you have tested both ;)
[03:36] <pips1> ok
[03:38] <pips1> ok, I moved the dir to .bak and then launched it from the menu --> crash
[03:42] <pips1> ak, I tried launching it from console, I got some error msg there, but I guess I need to pipe it into some txt file, because now I get the white screen and I need to reboot
[03:43] <pips1> sorry, bear with me, I'm not that experienced with linux debugging :-)
[03:44] <ogra> in any case please file a bug about it ...
[03:46] <pips1> ah, I get some error about the locale...
[03:47] <pips1> ogra, in malone, right?
[03:50] <pips1> well, looks my prob looks like this one https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gcompris/+bug/29643
[03:50] <pips1> but how can I capture the console message ... so I can compare it with this bug report ?
[03:51] <pips1> jsgotangco, any tips how to "capture" my console output before the crash?
[03:56] <jsgotangco> hmmm?
[03:56] <jsgotangco> just run gcompris from console...
[03:57] <pips1> well, yes, then I see some messages on the console, but only for a very short time, and then I get the crash an need to reboot
[03:57] <jsgotangco> the console doesn't say anything?
[03:58] <jsgotangco> not even segfault?
[03:58] <pips1> it does, but I don't have time to read it, before my resolution gets hijacked, that is...
[04:23] <alejandro> ogra, have you tested audio support with LTSP?
[06:47] <jjjjjjj> hello?
[06:47] <DeeJay1> hi
[06:48] <jjjjjjj> do you use vsftpd by any chance?
[06:48] <DeeJay1> nope, sorry
[06:48] <jjjjjjj> np
[06:49] <jjjjjjj> i was going down the lstp road when i got sidetracked by vsftpd
[06:50] <jjjjjjj> er ltsp i mean
[06:50] <jjjjjjj> my goal is to try a classroom server with thin clients
[06:51] <jjjjjjj> i'm not a teacher... my wife is tho.  but it could be a computer centre too where it is used.
[09:46] <fyzix> Has any of you tried the flight4 edubuntu livecd?
[09:47] <fyzix> Its my impression that it has a totally dull bootsplash, and there is no shutdown-splash. what do you think?
[09:59] <fyzix> would it be wrong to file a bug?
[10:00] <ogra_> shutdown splash is planned for dapper+1, it was no target for this release ...
[10:00] <ogra_> the format of the bootsplash has changed, so the old image looks a bit streched ...
[10:07] <fyzix> ogra ok. but also the acknowledge "ok" during boot are grayish. Isn't Edubuntu supposed to look more lively?
[10:08] <ogra_> we're supposed to get the same artwork ubuntu and kubuntu get before release, i havent seen anything yet though ...
[10:09] <fyzix> ok, I guess it's just to wait then...
[10:09] <ogra_> what you see is the breezy bootsplash, it was a quick gimp work shortly before the deadline ...
[10:09] <ogra_> i agree that the colors are a bug ...
[10:09] <fyzix> hehe :-)
[10:11] <fyzix> ogra I tried writing the livecd with 8x speed like you told me to in the bug report, It didn't help anything though
[10:14] <ogra_> but if it works on two other machines, i doubt its CD related ...
[10:15] <fyzix> yeah, but I have no idea what else it could be... I suppose I don't use that computer anyway, but still, somebody else might have problems with it.
[10:18] <ogra_> its the only report i have about it so far ...
[10:19] <ogra_> did you try the computer with another bootable CD ?
[10:22] <fyzix> I will try that later, but as far as I remember it has always had a problem with ubuntu livecds. It got kubuntu breezy installed though, so install cd should work.
[10:32] <fyzix> \quit
[10:46] <] _azarus> I may not be searching well enough but I'm unable to find the default root password for Edubuntu. Anyone know it?
[10:46] <ogra_> there is none 
[10:47] <] _azarus> Don't you hate it when the answer is so obvious it's painful? ;)
[10:47] <ogra_> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/RootSudo
[10:48] <] _azarus> Thanks for that.
[11:08] <juliux> ogra_, the bootsplash on the thinclient is very great!!
[11:08] <ogra_> :)
[11:08] <juliux> i have installed flight4 on my laptop
[11:08] <juliux> and my thinclients have now 128MB ram
[11:10] <ogra_> cool
[11:10] <juliux> i will take my laptop and 2 thinclient to the cebit
[11:10] <juliux> and will show ubuntu and edubuntu dapper on it
[11:11] <ogra_> cool :=)
[11:11] <juliux> and i have bought a python with gut book
[11:11] <juliux> s/gut/gui
[11:12] <ogra_> hehe
[11:13] <juliux> becaue i have a free semster 
[11:30] <ubuntu__> jinty: hi
[11:31] <jinty> hey ubuntu__
[11:31] <ubuntu__> jinty: oops, sorry, pips1 here (writing from a dapper flight 4 live cd :-)
[11:31] <jinty> anything interesting happening?
[11:31] <jinty> ahh
[11:31] <ubuntu__> jinty: well, apart from the feature freeze in ubuntu?
[11:31] <jinty> hi again, been a while
[11:32] <ubuntu__> jinty: how is the schooltool packaging situation?
[11:32] <jinty> should be resolving itself very shortly
[11:32] <jinty> I am actually doing a final test on my local machine right now
[11:32] <lucasvo> ubuntu__: any url of the work you have already done?
[11:33] <ubuntu__> jinty: yes, it's been quite a long time... i got sucked up completely by my "day job" which turned out to be a day and night job ;-)
[11:34] <ubuntu__> jinty: good one!
[11:35] <ubuntu__> lucasvo: there isnt much too see yet...
[11:36] <lucasvo> ok
[11:38] <ubuntu__> jinty: all the best with your packaging! looking forward to put st to the test :-) 
[11:38] <ubuntu__> got to reboot... cu