[12:07] <Hobbsee> allee: it should look like this?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9079
[12:09] <Hobbsee> or did i screw it up?
[12:10] <allee> Hobbsee: I can't tell.  because the picture in in pixel and the size of a pixel varies from monitor to monitor :(
[12:10] <Hobbsee> allee: well, more is the syntax correct?
[12:10] <Hobbsee> was what i was actually asking
[12:11] <allee> Hobbsee: oh, yes that's correct
[12:11] <Hobbsee> okay :)
[12:11] <allee> Hobbsee: no
[12:11] <Hobbsee> ok :)
[12:11] <Hobbsee> testing
[12:15] <Hobbsee> mmm...much nicer - pity fonts in system settings doesnt change *all* fonts no matter what, even if you've specified them in the past
[12:16] <allee> Hobbsee: not all fonts?  which apps do not change?
[12:16] <Hobbsee> the clock in the kicker, and kopete/konv which i'd changed previously
[12:16] <allee> Hobbsee: ah, btw.  congrats.  Now maybe the first time you realy see the size you've chosen in control center
[12:17] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[12:17] <Hobbsee> it all looks nicely spread out now :D
[12:17] <Hobbsee> openoffice doesnt take the font setting either
[12:18] <allee> Hobbsee: afaiu _Sime is fixing 'syncing dpi to gnome apps'
[12:18] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:18] <Hobbsee> afaiu?
[12:19] <allee> I've read here about it, but have not seen the pkg nor tried it
[12:19] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:19] <allee> s/gnome/gtk/
[12:19] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:19] <Hobbsee> ooh nice!
[12:22] <allee> hmm, seem like fonts are now bigger in firefox than in konqueror. I remember it was vice versa before.
[12:23] <Hobbsee> yeah, mine have always been, unless i set it in the gtk-qt-thingo module in kcontrol to be a couple of font sizes less
[12:23] <Tm_T> Important bug in kwin rules gestion
[12:23] <Tm_T> ?!
[12:25] <allee> Hobbsee: xdpyinfo | egrep 'resolution|dimension'
[12:25] <Hobbsee>   dimensions:    1024x768 pixels (286x217 millimeters)
[12:25] <Hobbsee>   resolution:    91x90 dots per inch
[12:25] <allee> firefox assume 96 dpi here
[12:26] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:26] <allee> Hobbsee: so for you fonts should be same (assume gnome/gtk default font size and kde default are the same)
[12:26] <Hobbsee> yeah they are now, i think
[12:26] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:27] <allee> I have 
[12:27] <allee>   dimensions:    1400x1050 pixels (287x215 millimeters)
[12:27] <allee>   resolution:    124x124 dots per inch
[12:27] <allee> so hopefully after dpi are synced Firefox match better here
[12:29] <Hobbsee> allee: your wiki is wrong - it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf not /etc/xorg.conf which is what i think you had
[12:35] <allee> bah, right or course.
[12:35] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:48] <allee> Hobbsee: is section Monitor example better?  See wiki
[12:49] <Hobbsee> allee: much better!
[12:49] <allee> buh, thx
[09:35] <viviersf> erm
[10:01] <viviersf> oi
[10:01] <viviersf> skaramba + xmms = :(
[11:05] <Riddell> viviersf: why?
[11:05] <viviersf> cos
[11:05] <viviersf> why does superkaramba need xmms
[11:06] <Riddell> it has an xmms plugin
[11:06] <viviersf> so superkaramba also needs like
[11:06] <viviersf> kweather
[11:06] <viviersf> etc ?
[11:07] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[11:08] <Tonio_> Riddell, sorry, I just saw I didn't upload the good version of knetswitch.... miss patches and cleaned tarball...
[11:30] <viviersf> btw Riddell , that moodin thing is basicly open version of linspires ksplash
[11:42] <Riddell> yes
[11:44] <Riddell> mornfall: we should have an "MP3 etc support" .desktop file along with adept-installer for libxine-extracodecs
[11:46] <Riddell> viviersf: we can compile superkaramba without xmms if there's reason it gets in your way
[11:46] <viviersf> would be nice Riddell 
[11:46] <viviersf> see
[11:46] <viviersf> i dont believe in having 2 of the same thing install
[11:47] <viviersf> *installed
[11:47] <viviersf> i got amarok
[11:47] <viviersf> impi will have superkaramba
[11:47] <viviersf> but i dont want xmms aswell
[11:47] <viviersf> also
[11:47] <viviersf> is that gonna drop xmms support in karamba ?
[11:47] <Riddell> yes it will
[11:48] <viviersf> ok
[11:48] <viviersf> then dont do it
[11:48] <viviersf> :)
[11:49] <Riddell> sorted
[11:53] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/32442 "Fonts in KDE/Kubuntu turned huge"  hmm, we're probably going to get a lot of these
[11:57] <viviersf> lol Riddell 
[11:57] <Tonio__> hi again
[11:58] <Tonio_> Riddell ping ?
[11:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: oyo
[11:58] <Riddell> yo
[11:58] <Tonio_> hi Riddell... working with windows :-(
[11:59] <Tonio_> I have uploaded a bad version of knetswitch
[11:59] <Riddell> what's wrong with it?
[11:59] <Tonio_> I have the good one here but cannot pbuild (windows inside)
[11:59] <Tonio_> lintian warnings, no kdepot patch, no .desktop patch etc.....
[12:00] <Tonio_> if I send you the link of the good package, can you pbuild and upload it to revu ?
[12:00] <Riddell> sure
[12:00] <Tonio_> thanks ;) windows is a pain, really.......
[12:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/566485
[12:01] <Tonio_> here are the links, not sure if it builds, but it should :)
[12:02] <Riddell> hmm, it needs a root password to run
[12:03] <Tonio_> Riddell the application ?
[12:03] <Riddell> knetswitch desperately needs to learn how to layout UIs so they aren't a fixed width
[12:03] <Tonio_> I didn't test it, just had the time to test gnetswitch, which works nicelly
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho damn.... doesn't sound good
[12:05] <Riddell> needing a root password to run is a blocker
[12:05] <Riddell> since not all users will be in the admin group, they won't be able to run it
[12:07] <viviersf> hmmm moodin is l33t
[12:08] <hunger> What is moodin?
[12:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: doesn't it make usage of sudo ? I didn't have problems with gnetswith
[12:09] <Tonio_> hunger: a kdm theme engine, very nice one ;)
[12:09] <Tonio_> dapper will use a moodin theme by default
[12:10] <hunger> Tonio_: Then I will see it eventually.
[12:10] <hunger> Tonio_: It is not yet used, is it?
[12:10] <viviersf> you guys know of aby bugs with : run 
[12:10] <viviersf> ?
[12:10] <hunger> viviersf: run what?
[12:11] <hunger> The run command thingy works great for me.
[12:11] <viviersf> hmmm
[12:11] <viviersf> doesnt work in my virtual machine
[12:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, and not all user accounts can use sudo
[12:12] <hunger> viviersf: You are refering to the Alt-F2 dialog, aren't you?
[12:12] <viviersf> yes
[12:13] <viviersf> but
[12:13] <viviersf> the one in the menu doesnt work either
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell, what is the difference on that point kwifimanager or knetworkconf ? they do require admin access to configure interfaces too
[12:15] <Tonio_> or am I missing something ?
[12:16] <hunger> What is the recommended way to use WLAN in kubuntu anyway?
[12:16] <Tonio_> hunger, unfortunately nothing.....
[12:16] <Tonio_> all existing tools don't really work for the moment
[12:17] <hunger> no progress in that area for over a year now.
[12:17] <Tonio_> dapper+1 will have knetworkmanager, but actually kwifimanager is bugging, knetworkmanager too.... don't know about this knetswitch cause I couldn't test it anyway
[12:18] <hunger> I really wonder why the kde guys have not come up with something yet.
[12:18] <Tonio_> hunger, agree with you on that point
[12:18] <hunger> Tonio_: breezy was supposed to have network-manager! Then it was dapper... now it is dapper+1.
[12:18] <Tonio_> hunger, I know ;)
[12:18] <hunger> Lets hope the mess will indeed get fixed till then.
[12:18] <viviersf> heh
[12:19] <viviersf> new impi gonna have qt network tool
[12:19] <hunger> Tonio_: I am not complaining... just depressed.
[12:19] <viviersf> maby part of it will be pushed to kubuntu
[12:19] <hunger> And I am definitly not complaining about the ubuntu-people. Not their fault that nothing works properly.
[12:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: fair point
[12:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: revus done
[12:53] <mornfall> Riddell: shouldn't be a problem, just drop in a .desktop file into /usr/share/app-install/desktop/
[01:34] <viviersf> Riddell, who does the usplash img for kubuntu ?
[01:34] <Riddell> viviersf: sladen
[01:34] <Riddell> because I wouldn't let him go to sleep until he'd done it
[01:35] <viviersf> haha 
[01:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well if he's done it, can we have a look at it?
[01:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it's been in since breezy
[01:41] <Hobbsee> ah, i thought you ment tonight :)
[01:42] <Hobbsee> s/ment/meant - i cant spell tonight!
[02:28] <Hobbsee> night all - see you in a few more hours...
[02:47] <Tonio_> re
[02:47] <Tonio_> Riddell, I was just looking at revu, doesn't gnetswitch run ?
[02:47] <Tonio_> works for me....
[02:47] <Riddell> segfaults straight away for me
[02:47] <Tonio_> hum strange...
[02:47] <Riddell> yes
[02:48] <Tonio_> you're right for the licence in copyright.... I didn't have much time to package them so I did quick....
[02:48] <Tonio_> I will update them toonight, shouldn't be long
[02:49] <Riddell> knetswitch managed to crash when I tried to setup my wifi interface
[02:49] <Tonio_> okay, I didn't have any technical possibility to test this one....
[02:49] <Tonio_> maybe it is a bit too young to be added to universe
[02:50] <Tonio_> I will discuss with upstreams about improvements to perform, packaging for dapper+1 and eventually backporting them for dapper
[02:50] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[02:50] <Tonio_> Riddell, there are to much problems to be okay for tomorrow????
[02:51] <Tonio_> s/????/...., sorry
[02:51] <Riddell> I'm happy to upload netswitch and knetswitch if you fix the copyright issue and find someone else to revu
[02:51] <Riddell> hi freeflying 
[02:51] <Tonio_> Riddell, okay, that's the most important
[02:51] <freeflying> Riddell: mvo has talked about scim and skim with me 
[02:51] <Tonio_> gnome already has good tools for the network config
[02:52] <Tonio_> Riddell, I will try to correct them today, but with windows, it'll be hard ;)
[02:52] <freeflying> Riddell: he agree on adding IM variable into scim/skim ,so shall I modify skim for that ?
[02:53] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, if it can be done without getting in the way of non-skim users
[02:54] <freeflying> Riddell: but if we add that into scim/skim , all user will have scim/skim startup when they loginto their desktop 
[02:55] <Riddell> freeflying: that's what I thought, so we can't really do that
[02:55] <freeflying> Riddell: the bset way is add them into langauge-pack-zh/ko/ja-base
[02:58] <freeflying> Riddell: or let the postintall of language-pack- ppackage do it 
[02:58] <freeflying> s/ppackage/package
[02:59] <Riddell> I agree
[03:00] <freeflying> But pitti don't agree 
[03:00] <Riddell> bah
[03:01] <freeflying> hwo can we persuade pitti for that 
[03:04] <freeflying> Riddell: may you set this Bug31149 fixed , for ttf-arphic-uming is reverted 
[03:06] <Riddell> done
[03:06] <Riddell> I'll talk to pitti when I have a moment
[03:07] <Tonio_> Riddell, just reuploaded the two packages
[03:08] <Tonio_> raphink is revuing them, and I'll let you know if it okay for him
[03:08] <Tonio_> I didn't touch gnetswitch, too late to investigate, and not as important as knetswitch...
[03:08] <Riddell> it could just not like me, someone else might have it working fine :)
[03:11] <jjesse> is there a reason that adept updater does not show any new updates but apt-get dist-upgrade showed 25 that needed to be installed?
[03:11] <mornfall> jjesse: could you be more specific?
[03:13] <jjesse> sure as of this morning the adept-update-notifier ( i think that is the one that sits in the system tray) showed no updates, yet sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade showed 25 updates and 8 new packages to be installed
[03:14] <mornfall> jjesse: notifier does not do apt-get update... and you may have the cronjob turned off
[03:14] <jjesse> mornfall: how do I turn the cron job on?  shouldn't it be on by default?
[03:15] <mornfall> i'd believe it would
[03:15] <mornfall> but i somehow doubt it is my competence to decide that
[03:15] <mornfall> i did not turn it on here and it's on
[03:15] <jjesse> Riddell: what do you think about that, shouldn't it run automatically?
[03:16] <mornfall> i still think it should be solved at the cronjob level not at notifier level
[03:16] <allee> What can/should I do about rsibreak (REVU) codeine (in NEW) ?      # toma ping ;) so you find this later
[03:16] <mornfall> it's easy to implement apt-get update thingy but, uhm, evil
[03:16] <jjesse> mornfall: then the doc should include how to turn on the cron job
[03:17] <mornfall> i don't write docs though... it's in /etc/apt/ somewhere
[03:17] <mornfall> (probably apt.conf.d or somesuch)
[03:17] <jjesse> mornfall: grin i'm supposed to update the adept guide :)
[03:18] <mornfall> and it's a bit late to include a gui thingy to turn it on (feature freeze)
[03:18] <Tm_T> sad, I can't use composite in KDE
[03:18] <Tm_T> doesn't work very well
[03:19] <jjesse> understand that
[03:20] <freeflying> why package in debian sid has not a .orig.tar.gz ?
[03:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: we're going to need a new kubuntu-default-settings soon so we can set the default fonts to something sane, else the number of "KDE fonts huge" bugs will explode
[03:30] <Tonio_> yep
[03:31] <freeflying> Riddell: what will be the default font for kubuntu
[03:31] <Tonio_> Riddell, it is finished, just need to look with amarok
[03:31] <Tonio_> I can send it to you during the meeting toonight
[03:31] <Tonio_> everything is integrated, including the new kdm theme etc....
[03:32] <Tonio_> freeflying, DejaVu, 9
[03:35] <freeflying> anyone would reiew on this for me http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1957
[03:37] <Riddell> freeflying: it needs a .orig/.diff.gz, not a native package
[03:37] <freeflying> Riddell: I wonder why no orig file in debian sid pool
[03:38] <Riddell> freeflying: almost all packages in debian should have .orig files
[03:38] <Riddell> only ones which don't are packages of programs made only for debian
[03:38] <Tonio_> Riddell, just found the problem with amarok :)
[03:38] <Tonio_> I can send you the package immediately
[03:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool
[03:38] <Tonio_> 	install -m644 artwork/metabar/*  "$(SETTINGS_DIR)/kde-profile/default/share/apps/amarok/themes/kubuntu"
[03:38] <freeflying> Riddell: http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/ttf-alee.html
[03:38] <Tonio_> s/metabar/amarok
[03:39] <Riddell> freeflying: you win, guess the debian packager did it wrongly :)
[03:40] <freeflying> Riddell: also there no diff.gz 
[03:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: aah
[03:40] <freeflying> Riddell: I also wonder how can it be in debian's pool
[03:41] <Riddell> freeflying: packages either have .orig/.diff.gz  or just a .tar.gz (which is called a native package)
[03:41] <freeflying> Riddell: native file can be included into debian ?
[03:42] <Tonio_> Riddell, just writting the changelog and send you the package
[03:42] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, it's idended for programmes which are made only for debian without an upstream release (e.g. adept)
[03:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: put it on revu
[03:42] <Riddell> if you can
[03:43] <freeflying> Riddell: got it , thx , so this package need repackage for ubuntu ?
[03:43] <Tonio_> Riddell, I will
[03:45] <Riddell> freeflying: it's probably not worth repackaging it for ubuntu, we can just sync from debian
[03:46] <Riddell> native packages make it harder to keep updated since you don't know what changes you've made, but as long as the debian packager keeps it up to date there's no advantge to us changing the package
[03:47] <freeflying> Riddell: then it's hard for those type package been included into main ?
[03:51] <Riddell> freeflying: no that won't be a problem, as I say so long as debian keeps the package up to date we just use that (even if the packaging is less than perfect)
[03:52] <freeflying> Riddell: can this package be synced from debian ?it will fix bugs #6439
[03:54] <Tonio_> Riddelllittle question cause I don't have a dapper machine here
[03:55] <Tonio_> Riddell, is there an entry in K menu, System, for Konqueror using filemanagement profile ?
[04:00] <Tonio_> Riddell, because you asked, I tried to change konq's minimum font size to 8, but that causes problem
[04:00] <freeflying> Riddell: still have kubuntu CD? there are too much request for it now ?
[04:01] <Tonio_> Riddell, with dpi set, 7 corresponds to 8 in css, with is very commonly used on the web...
[04:01] <Tonio_> verdana 8 is maybe the most commonly used font used today...
[04:02] <Riddell> freeflying: not many, but e-mail me your postal address again and I'll see if I have any boxes spare after FOSDEM this weekend
[04:02] <Riddell> freeflying: and I haven't had any photos of happy chinese kubuntu CD receivers :)
[04:02] <freeflying> Riddell: it's easy , but you shall pay me the postage this time 
[04:03] <freeflying> :)
[04:03] <Riddell> freeflying: send me the receipts or photos of receipts and I'll send you the postage
[04:05] <freeflying> Riddell: I'll send it you , hmm
[04:06] <seth|lappy> why does https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-February/006702.html have a debian version number when it isn't in Debian?
[04:06] <seth|lappy> or can I just not find it there
[04:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1958 <- k-d-s uploaded
[04:09] <seth|lappy> tabs on top for Konversation? Oh sadness.
[04:09] <seth|lappy> default theme Square? More sadness.
[04:09] <seth|lappy> All other things: goodness
[04:09] <seth|lappy> :P
[04:11] <allee> Riddell: What can/should I do about rsibreak (REVU) codeine (in NEW) ?      # toma ping ;) so you find this later
[04:11] <jjesse> mornfall: i've been thinking about the adept-update-notifer, how does it know if there are updates available if it is not doing an apt-get update ??
[04:12] <mornfall> jjesse: it looks at cache timestamp, so if something does apt-get update it notices
[04:12] <freeflying> Mez: ping
[04:12] <mornfall> that something is usually the cronjob
[04:12] <allee> jjesse: mhh, maybe just a head and if-modified size request on security Packages.gz
[04:13] <allee> s/size/since/
[04:13] <Riddell> allee: NEW will be processed eventually, I've seen a few things processed today
[04:13] <allee> 'k
[04:14] <Riddell> allee: UVF exceptions should be requested on ubuntu-motu (but check on #ubuntu-motu if you want to confirm)
[04:14] <Riddell> allee: you need to include a rationale (i.e. does it fix more things than it breaks)
[04:14] <allee> Riddell: I added a comment on revu about the rationale
[04:15] <Riddell> allee: you'll need to post to ubuntu-motu mailing list (or find someone else to do it)
[04:16] <allee> Riddell: 'k I'll go first irc then ml
[04:16] <jjesse> the notifier does not start by default correct?
[04:16] <Riddell> jjesse: it does now (just not in flight 4)
[04:16] <jjesse> sorry for what may seem like stupid questions, but need to document how to get it working
[04:16] <jjesse> but if the notifier starts by default but doesn't check for updates is it giving the user a false sense that there are no updates?
[04:17] <Riddell> jjesse: it does check for updates, it just doesn't run apt-get update itself
[04:17] <jjesse> Riddell: then why did i not having any updates until i ran apt-get update?
[04:17] <Riddell> but the cronjob will run within 24 hours and adept-notifier will notify then
[04:17] <jjesse> once again probablly stupid questions
[04:18] <Riddell> jjesse: probably you don't have the cronjob running, I forget the command to check for that
[04:18] <jjesse> is the cronjob setup by default then? i didn't add a cron job i know that :)
[04:19] <mornfall> [NOTRASH] morn@lor-k-dapper/k3:~ -> apt-config dump | grep Period | grep Lists
[04:19] <Mez> freeflying, ping
[04:19] <mornfall> APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1";
[04:19] <freeflying> Mez: how about backport scim and skim now ?
[04:20] <Riddell> hmm, that command gives no output
[04:20] <Riddell> that's not good
[04:21] <Mez> freeflying, backports are currently impossible with soyuz
[04:21] <Mez> plus... scim doesnt seem to want to pick up the control hack
[04:31] <Riddell> mornfall: turns out update-notifier includes a file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic which is what turns on the daily update
[04:31] <Riddell> so adept should include the same file, probably as /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/11periodic
[04:32] <mornfall> aha
[04:32] <mornfall> fun :)
[04:32] <mornfall> now the question is how update-notifier made it to my system
[04:32] <mornfall> but yes, cool with me
[05:10] <jpatrick> Riddell: kautoclick is in
[05:51] <allee> uhm, something in todays updates is a bit picky.  First konversation hangs now kmail :(  Rebooting and crossing my finger that I get my 99% finished mail back ...
[06:23] <allee> 96 dpi fake on 124 dpi is no good, sorry. I tried, I give up. 15 minutes and my eyes start hurting.  Even moving the monitor 15 cm nearer to my eyes does help.
[06:40] <_Sime> allee: what does xdpyinfo have to say about your screen size and resolution?
[06:42] <allee> _Sime: hi just wanted to ping you.  See http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/snapshot-fake-and-real.png
[06:43] <allee> _Sime: from displayconfig-restore.py it looks like (width,height,width_mm,height_mm) = xserver.getScreens()[0] .getDimensions()  give back garbage
[06:44] <allee> _Sime: how can I run this without logout/in  (I would like add some print statementes)
[06:48] <hunger> Ahhh... I see moodin in the archives!
[06:49] <jpatrick> hunger: yep, got there yesterday
[06:49] <hunger> jpatrick: Wasn't there 2h ago:-)
[06:50] <_Sime> allee: just looking at the code. I screwed up on of the calculations. :-/ ( where displayconfig-restore.py averages the v + h DPIs)
[06:50] <jpatrick> hunger: I saw yesterday afternoon
[06:50] <hunger> jpatrick: Lucky you:-)
[06:51] <jpatrick> (it is my package ;-) )
[06:51] <hunger> jpatrick: So I'll log out and take a look at it.
[06:52] <allee> _Sime: he, he.    but 124 + (124/2) => 186 what is bigger than 140  ?   But xft.dpi is 96 not 186
[06:54] <hunger> jpatrick: NICE!
[06:55] <allee> _Sime: w_dpi and h_dpi is also wrong
[06:55] <hunger> Will kdm get a similar theme as well?
[06:55] <allee> dpi = dots/mm * 25.4
[06:55] <jpatrick> hunger: which is why we chose it =)
[06:55] <allee> _Sime: I'll fix it and try ...
[06:55] <Riddell> _Sime: how can I use a qt iterator in pyqt since python doesn't like ++ ?
[06:56] <hunger> Too bad that it isen't visible for longer:-)
[06:59] <allee> no obvious difference between 120 dpi (approx) and 124 (real), good.  See http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/snapshot-fake-approx-and-real.png
[06:59] <hunger> How can I remove the outdated ksplash-engines?
[06:59] <jpatrick> hunger: which theme are you using?
[06:59] <hunger> jpatrick: For what?
[06:59] <jpatrick> moodin
[06:59] <hunger> jpatrick: Are there several?
[06:59] <jpatrick> yep
[07:00] <jpatrick> just search for it at kde-look.org
[07:01] <hunger> jpatrick: I am using ksplash-engine-moodin.
[07:01] <jpatrick> default then i guess
[07:01] <hunger> jpatrick: I won't hunt around for eye candy:-)
[07:02] <jpatrick> hunger: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29426
[07:03] <hunger> jpatrick: That is not what I am seeing...
[07:03] <jpatrick> ?
[07:05] <hunger> jpatrick: kcontrol->appearance & Themes->splash screen->moodinKDE.
[07:05] <jpatrick> hunger: it still has to go to kubuntu-default-settings
[07:06] <hunger> jpatrick: So I'll wait for that to happen:-)
[07:08] <allee> logout/in ...
[07:10] <kmon> hi
[07:10] <hunger> Hi there.
[07:12] <kmon> I've noticed my fonts where changed recently, can I ask what package changed this? kubuntu-meta?
[07:12] <hunger> kmon: Did they change in size?
[07:12] <kmon> yep
[07:13] <hunger> kmon: That should have been caused by "fixing" the screen resolution to 100dpi.
[07:13] <hunger> kmon: Ask Tonio_ how he did that.
[07:13] <kmon> I see.
[07:13] <kmon> Ok, the problem is that they look very big in my laptop
[07:14] <kmon> I don't know if anyone else has the same impression
[07:14] <hunger> kmon: Either change the resolution back or change the fonts.
[07:14] <kmon> I've done the latter
[07:14] <hunger> kmon: The problem (as I see it) is that most apps assume 100dpi...
[07:15] <allee> _Sime: this seems to fix it: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Xg35jG24.html
[07:15] <hunger> kmon: I hate the idea of fixing the resolution to some basically random value, but it looks like this fixes font issues for lots of people.
[07:16] <kmon> hunger: ok, thanx for the explanation
[07:16] <hunger> kmon: You are welcome.
[07:21] <kmon> bye
[07:31] <pef> hello
[07:39] <allee> hunger: It's better that in the sense that most monitor have ~ 96 dpi (new default for dpi < 140) and not 75 dpi (old fallback if driver gets it wrong)
[07:40] <Tm_T> I used to force dpi to wrong to get fonts smaller
[07:43] <Tonio_> hunger, fonts are not forced within kubuntu-default-settings
[07:44] <Tonio_> but the default font size will be change within that package soon
[07:44] <_Sime> Riddell: what do you want to iterate over? (for x in qThingy: print x ?)
[07:45] <Riddell> _Sime: ah, I can do a for loop over a qt iterator?
[07:45] <Riddell> it's a qlistviewitemiterator
[07:45] <Riddell> I discovered iterator += 1 works
[07:45] <_Sime> Riddell: try looping over the container  itself.
[07:45] <_Sime> allee: yes, that code looks better.
[07:46] <Riddell> now I'm wondering why my application seems to consider itself ascii
[07:49] <_Sime> This DPI bug seems to be really p*ssing people off.
[07:49] <_Sime> Riddell: if you want a fixed and updated guidance release right now, then let me know.
[07:50] <_Sime> Riddell: and I'll put one up on the site.
[07:50] <hunger> _Sime: It is a bug? I thought it was supposed to be a feature?
[07:50] <_Sime> hunger: it is a buggy feature.
[07:50] <Riddell> _Sime: no rush
[07:50] <hunger> _Sime: and so far I just saw the to be expected problems.
[07:51] <hunger> _Sime: Like ppl having to change font sizes.
[07:51] <_Sime> Riddell: ok, it can wait to next week.
[07:51] <_Sime> hunger: some people got the (way!) wrong DPI setting which was a lot more disturbing that desired.
[07:51] <_Sime> s/that/than/
[07:52] <hunger> _Sime: When is the dpi set at all?
[07:52] <_Sime> Riddell: BTW, I keep the Changelog for Guidance up to date in SVN if you want to track fixes. :)
[07:52] <hunger> _Sime: Nothing changed here... maybe because I hardcoded my settings into xorg.conf?
[07:52] <_Sime> hunger: during login/KDE startup.
[07:53] <_Sime> hunger: for most people the change in DPI should be just slight.
[07:53] <hunger> _Sime: Even if the dpi value is set up?
[07:53] <_Sime> hunger: what do you mean?
[07:55] <_Sime> hunger: what did you have in xorg.conf?
[07:56] <hunger> _Sime: I set the screen resolution there and the size (in mm).
[07:56] <hunger> _Sime: X calculates the dpis from there during startup.
[07:56] <_Sime> hunger: yes, but what *was* your DPI?
[07:56] <hunger> _Sime: 131dpi
[07:58] <jpatrick> hello nlindblad 
[07:58] <_Sime> hunger: when things are working you should get 120 DPI.
[07:58] <_Sime> hunger: not a big change in that case.
[07:58] <hunger> _Sime: Why? That is definitly wrong.
[07:58] <jjesse> Riddell: when you get a chacne can you talk w/ mdke on #ubuntu-doc in regards to what he needs to do to get things looking correctly on doc.ubuntu.com
[07:58] <hunger> _Sime: 131dpi is exactly the right setting.
[08:00] <_Sime> hunger: http://pastebin.com/567194
[08:00] <nlindblad> hi jpatrick
[08:01] <hunger> _Sime: Outch... a ugly hack for a broken environment.
[08:02] <hunger> _Sime: How do I turn that of?
[08:02] <_Sime> hunger: that's life
[08:05] <nlindblad> jpatrick: long time since we spoke dude
[08:05] <hunger> Ah! I already have guidance turned off:-) No wonder it doesn't mess with my settings.
[08:06] <hunger> Why is this kde-guidance? Dosn't this apply to ubuntu just as well?
[08:09] <_Sime> DPI is directly selectable in gtk/gnome. So there it is already kind of worked out.
[08:11] <Riddell> jjesse: he should know, the files need to be put at /stable on the webserver
[08:13] <jjesse> Riddell: i thouhgt you mentioned something about him missing the kdelibs or something?
[08:16] <allee> _Sime: Little fake dpi demo  snapshot-pseudo-dpi-demo.png snapshot-pseudo-dpi-demo1.png at http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/
[08:17] <Riddell> jjesse: that where the files are yes (I think)
[08:17] <nlindblad> how come there's still not a standard for whether to use /mnt or /media?
[08:19] <allee> nlindblad: FHS is pretty clear about what /mnt is for
[08:20] <allee> nlindblad: before they came up with /media  the used /mnt, due to lack in phantasie
[08:20] <jpatrick> nlindblad: sorry about that, X froze
[08:21] <nlindblad> allee: yeah
[08:22] <nlindblad> allee: but it would be more logical with just /media
[08:24] <nlindblad> jpatrick: oh
[08:24] <nlindblad> jpatrick: bad driver?
[08:24] <jpatrick> no
[08:24] <jpatrick> lack of RaM
[08:24] <jpatrick> RAM*
[08:24] <nlindblad> how much?
[08:25] <jpatrick> I have 128
[08:25] <nlindblad> oh, :(
[08:25] <nlindblad> that's not much
[08:25] <jpatrick> which is why I need that new computer
[08:25] <nlindblad> yeah
[08:25] <jjesse> my test machine has less then that and it runs dapper fine :)
[08:25] <nlindblad> my server, the "crappiest" box I own, has 256MiB
[08:31] <nlindblad> jpatrick: what do you intend to buy then?
[08:32] <jpatrick> I'm not buying it
[08:32] <nlindblad> okey
[08:32] <nlindblad> stealing?
[08:32] <nlindblad> you know that's illegal, right?
[08:33] <jpatrick> apparently my schools giving me one because 1) they have one extra 2) I'm a geek
[08:33] <nlindblad> and it's better than your current?
[08:33] <jpatrick> dunno yet
[08:34] <nlindblad> that's a very long time
[08:34] <nlindblad> still not paid?
[08:34] <jpatrick> no
[08:34] <nlindblad> okey
[08:34] <nlindblad> so, you just sleep till noon then IRC all day?
[08:35] <jpatrick> :)
[08:35] <nlindblad> I take that as a yes
[08:35] <jpatrick> I go cycling and other stuff
[08:35] <jpatrick> mostly homeowkr
[08:36] <nlindblad> okey
[08:36] <Lure> _Sime: I think they just discuss DPI issue with your script in #kubuntu
[08:37] <nlindblad> Lure: yes
[08:37] <nlindblad> and they seem to have a fix
[08:52] <jpatrick> not much on the agenda today
[09:04] <allee> raphink: meeting
[10:37] <jpatrick> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings/22-02-06
[10:40] <jpatrick> ah silence is golden...
[10:45] <jpatrick> night
[10:50] <Hobbsee> uh oh...
[10:50] <seaLne> is the irc log mentioned on the wiki just not generated yet or is it wrong?
[10:51] <Hobbsee> probably not generated yet - the IRC logs will be there though
[10:51] <Hobbsee> from the link that's on that wiki page
[10:52] <seaLne> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2006-02-22.html 404s
[10:52] <seaLne> for me anyway and its not in the directory listing
[10:53] <Hobbsee> seaLne: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-current.html
[10:53] <seaLne> ah, doh :)
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm so sorry!
[11:17] <Hobbsee_away> darn
[12:00] <mornfall> Hobbsee_away: you are she?
[12:00] <mornfall> interesting :-)
[12:06] <Hobbsee_away> mornfall: no, i'm a male with a first name of sarah :P