=== dturner0 [n=david@bee-eater.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dturner0 [n=david@bee-eater.demon.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] [12:51] LaserJock: do you know of any good general purpose chem programs (for like quickly calculating the molecular weight of something) [12:51] easychem? [12:51] ..EasyChem doesn't do that [12:51] bummer, I thought I'd make you do a "Kyral falls down" ;-) [12:52] I'll just calc it manually [12:52] umm, I think perhaps xdrawchem or chemtool [12:53] I don't have my dapper box on me so I can't remember which one exactly. Both might do it. [01:01] I wonder if anyone finds it ironic that I was kicked out of the place I was studying Chem by my Chem TA [01:13] I'd kick you out too ;-) [01:16] .... [01:16] baka === imtheface [n=sueisfin@ip107-167.cbn.net.id] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-69-90.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === k31th [n=k31th@keiths.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:16] any body who wrote the Makefiles or scripts for the docteam repo around? === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp134-160.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:38] hi KingBahamut [02:40] LaserJock, [02:41] how goes it? [02:50] KingBahamut: it's going. way too much to do and not enough time to do it in :-) How bout yourself? I suppose the forums keep you busy. === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:15] hi robotgeek jsgotangco and mhz [03:15] hi LaserJock [03:16] morning [03:16] hi you ppls [03:34] hey LaserJock === Madpilot [n=bburger@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:47] i should probably document this in breezy, so later all. === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:13] hi all [04:17] hello Madpilot jsgotangco [04:18] hi Burglaptop [04:18] hi Madpilot [04:19] hi all [04:21] geez our new logout dialog looks out of place [04:21] http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/JPEG/Logout_dialog.png [04:21] compare the lockscreen one with everything else [04:22] yes [04:23] however, they don't look out of place with tango, which is to green/blue for me [04:25] tango's icon for their locale is a US and German flag [04:38] You know the problem with that dialog? [04:39] It's not big enough [04:39] It should be full-screen [04:39] and if you use a dual-headed setup, it should use both screens [04:39] mpt: gah, I was just thinking that it sprawls a bit too much as it is... === mpt prods Madpilot's sense of sarcasm [04:40] heh... :P [04:41] mpt: no, I think you should have to scroll to see all the buttons ;-p [04:41] oooh yeah [04:41] a scrolling list! [04:41] Or even better, a menu that you have to open to see the options! [04:42] Windows 2000 did that, so it must be right! [04:42] also, insist on having ashutdown reason [04:42] but don't expose that information anywhere logical [04:42] (what WERE Microsoft thinking) [04:44] I think that each time it is opened that the buttons should be randomly placed without text [04:45] LaserJock: best suggestion yet! [04:45] we could randomly switch icon themes too, so the icons are randomized as well [04:45] ooh, randomized buttons, like WinZip [04:45] mpt: the problem with full screen is the amount of mouse movement needed [04:45] but corners could be interesting [04:45] man, if only the docteam was in charge. Dapper would be AWESOME! [04:45] Burglaptop: you could hook it to the mouse properties [04:46] HrdwrBoB: huh? [04:46] and increas sensitivity when the shutdown dialog was acticated [04:46] ugh [04:46] *activated [04:46] the amount of mouse movement needed in gnome has really come to head recently, as my touchpad is borked [04:46] Is Tango going to be default icon theme for dapper, or is it still Human? [04:46] Madpilot: human, afaik [04:46] or just have each button mapped to a mouse button. left click restarts, right click shutsdown :-) [04:47] however, apparently mark is paying somebody to do professional art for this release [04:47] the cure for that is to never use a touchpad [04:48] sadly a mouse doesn't work when you sitting on a couch === Burglaptop enjoys the wonders of wireless [04:48] Burglaptop: yeah, trackpoint :) [04:48] cool - I switched this Breezy install over to Tango a few days ago, and it's... odd... plus, being incomplete, a lot of the icons are still Human's anyway... === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:00] have you guys tried Flight4 yet? [05:00] not yet [05:00] I'm burning a LiveCD as we speak, actually [05:00] ...and peering the LiveCD torrent, too [05:01] hmmm, I'm impatiently waiting for the install iso to download. Does the LIveCD have espresso on it? [05:02] yes [05:02] I think I just figured out how to get Ubuntu on my iMac. There is a program called Q which a cocoa port of qemu and it has a universal binary! [05:03] Burglaptop: but the install cd is still the same? I thought they were going to just have 1 cd. [05:03] LaserJock: the install cd is still teh same [05:04] they are only going to ship and promote the live cd [05:04] I see so will dapper+1 not have the install cd at all? [05:04] hmm, LiveCD finished burning - I'll eat, then mess with Dapper [05:04] no, the install cd will always be there [05:05] ok [05:05] there are lots of use cases for it, but it won't be promoted [05:05] I wonder if this qemu on OSX is worth a place somewhere on the wiki, if it isn't there already? [05:05] if you got to download and install Ubuntu, by default you will get the live cd [05:05] go for it [05:06] There isn't a lot of Ubuntu-on-PPC stuff anywhere, on the wiki or in our docs [05:07] Madpilot: well it's actually Ubuntu-on-macintel which is more important at the moment since you can't install Ubuntu on them [05:07] LaserJock: you have a macintel? [05:07] yes [05:07] bastard [05:07] ;) [05:07] my boss just bought 2 17" iMacs [05:08] I told him I wanted an AMD64 box but he insisted [05:09] he used to be hard core linux (emacs +fvwm were his main apps) but OSX has won him over. Now we have 4 iMacs in the lab. [05:11] it's very easy to slip and fall prey to the dark side [05:12] yeah, I'm more productive on the mac I think, unfortunately. [05:12] I'm very irritated at how much software for OSX can cost [05:13] but if darwin ports gets working for the intels then I can get most of my linuxy apps that I'm used to [05:14] I find OSX to be a lot more linux friendly than Windows though, which is nice. I can still do most of my work in a terminal. [05:15] ah, they're both friendly from my perspective. Just gimme a fullscreen terminal and ssh client, and I'm off. [05:18] but OSX has an X server, python, lots of *nix commands, etc already in it. PuTTY is pretty cool though. [05:18] yep, which is why it's a short slide down to the dark side === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:20] crimsun: well, as long as I have to pay for it I'll probably not get a Mac. It still seems overpriced for the hardware. [05:22] mpt: can said you would help us with the BetterWikiDocs spec? === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:08] Burglaptop, yes [06:08] not during work hours, though :-) [06:11] mpt: when is non-work hours for you? [06:11] that you are awake and available, that is [06:14] in about four hours [06:15] what time is it there? [06:16] mpt: ^ [06:17] 18:17 [06:23] he at least OSX has emacs built in [06:28] and Aquamacs is pretty nifty === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === EricNeon [n=eric@203.148.3.94] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:51] hi [07:07] ho === carthik [n=carthik@user-0cej755.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:30] mpt: what about tomorrow morning? That is during work for me [07:30] What is during work, and is that good or bad? [07:32] mpt: during work is 9-5 and I can take a few moments off during lunch [07:32] 6-3pm, your time [07:33] Tomorrow morning I'm out rock climbing or something, sorry === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp134-160.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-143-238.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jdub_ [n=jdub@ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-183-61.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke hugs mpt === mpt hugs mdke === jdub [n=jdub@ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-162-127.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-183-61.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:47] what's the hugging about? [09:58] jsgotangco, if #ubuntu-desktop can be fill of hugs, #ubuntu-doc can too :-) === mpt hugs jsgotangco [09:58] good idea [09:58] lol === jsgotangco hugs mpt === jsgotangco hugs Kamping_Kaiser [09:59] o_0 === Kamping_Kaiser hugs jsgotangco and mpt [10:00] yay, group hugs [10:00] woot [10:00] as long as its not grope hug [10:00] :) [10:01] lol :) depends whos involved ;) [10:01] hm. probablyu not CoC that comment, sorry :/ === Kamping_Kaiser tries to learn C++, as an excuse to not learn docbook... i shoudl probalby just bite that bulet [10:02] That is so backwards [10:02] Docbook is just XML [10:02] just xml? [10:03] XML is easy [10:03] [10:03] That's all you need to know [10:04] um. that's easy. none of the docbook i looked at looks that easy o_0 [10:04] its just descripting tags [10:05] its meant to be readable [10:05] so ... hm. *thinks about that for a bit* [10:06]

[10:06] [10:07] foo [10:07] Kamping_Kaiser: visit http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/ for details [10:07] looking [10:10] just copy the existing stuff in the docs [10:10] that's what I always do :) [10:10] lol mdke :) [10:11] wonder where i can get that docbook stuff in printed form. [10:11] Docbook the Definitive Guide (O'Reiley) [10:13] that's online and on paper, good stuff [10:14] oh o_0 yelp opens stuff. didnt do that last time i tried [10:18] ok. *goes to have a hack* === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-156-35.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.213.42] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=bburger@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:33] hi all - just spent several hours poking around the Flight4 LiveCD - very cool stuff! [10:35] hi Madpilot [10:35] hi Kamping_Kaiser [10:36] :) [10:36] did espresso work? [10:36] didn't try the installer, actually. [10:36] bah that's not testing [10:36] :) [10:36] lol [10:36] just messed with xchat-gnome - which didn't impress me all that much - and a few other things [10:37] well actually [10:37] Alacarte allows editing of all the menus, not just the Applications one [10:37] xchat-gnoe is an acquired taste so it seems [10:37] Madpilot, i didnt even notice that === jsgotangco has an edubuntu workstation flight4 in front [10:38] jsgotangco: that's pretty much the reason I tried Flight4 - so someone can write a "How to edit menus" section for UDG [10:39] oohhhh [10:40] but some of the other new shininess is pretty cool [10:40] I'm still surprised at how FAST the Dapper LiveCD is - but the last LiveCD I tried on this machine was a Hoary one... === mdke gets stuck into BetterWikiDocs [10:41] whoa [10:41] google news is now out of beta [10:41] i just added an ubuntu filter and it showed me all ubuntu news [10:43] even feature freeze got in desktoplinux [10:51] one interesting bug in Alacarte - there is no "New Entry" button right on the main panel like Breezy's Edit Menu app [11:16] menu editing diff sent to the list [11:19] you are a god [11:21] nah, I just fake it :P [11:22] [11:24] we still need *something* on printers in UDG, even if it's just a link to a wiki page or linuxprinting.org or something... [11:26] a link to lp.o would be a good start :/ [11:26] and on sharing printers... wonder if i can do something on that. [11:27] please do - all I know about printers is "I bought an HP, plugged it in, and it worked." :P [11:27] Madpilot, im sure you can afford a cheap HP printer :D [11:27] lol Madpilot [11:28] jsgotangco: I've got one, that's what I meant === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-129-211.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:35] http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/566465 i think i missed something - can someone have a look at this doesnt validate? [11:35] how often do the HTML versions of our SVN docs get built? After every new commit? [11:39] once a day [11:39] you can request mdke for a manual trigger though [11:39] mdke, can we make this like twice a day at least? === manicka [n=manicka@203-206-250-50.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:40] twice or even more times per day would be good, editing will probably pick up even more as our deadline gets closer [11:43] we could do twice a day [11:43] don't forget tho that the server is pretty busy with trying to support all the users reading help.u.c [11:44] true - doc.u.c & help.u.c share a machine, then? [11:44] yes [11:46] mdke, how big is the load? [11:50] i don't know [11:52] install a stats package :P [11:54] i've set it to twice a day === ompaul_ [n=ompaul@213-202-162-127.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:16] okie dokie === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:21] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ is a giant workaround for the poor quality of http://www.ubuntu.com/ ... [12:24] that's fairly blunt :P [12:25] Oh, I'm not putting that in the spec :-) [12:25] "Our next release, sometime early 2005, will be roughly 5.04." [12:25] lol [12:26] mpt: does it actually say that somewhere on u.c? gah... [12:26] mpt, can I have your time machine I want to undo a mistake I made early last year [12:27] Madpilot, yes, and the weird thing is the surrounding questions are more or less up-to-date [12:28] except for "Soon after the Warty release, updated packages will be available in our development branch on an ongoing basis ..." [12:29] I know that parts of the FAQ are horribly irrelevant now - we were picking it apart here a while ago... [12:30] ok, that's kind of gutwrenching procrastination === mpt returns to BetterWikiDocs [12:38] mdke, I don't see that moving pages from one wiki to another solves the "Documentation is not in one place" problem -- it solves other problems, but not that one [12:38] It doesn't stop the DSF from existing, it doesn't stop ubuntuguide.org from existing, etc [12:39] Madpilot, I still have it on webpage/FAQ and I was looking for guidence on it [12:39] on the wiki [12:41] ompaul: I'll have a look tomorrow - thanks for the reminder [12:42] mpt, the docs I'm talking about which are in different places are the ones we have control over [12:42] i.e. 1. our stuff on help.ubuntu.com, and 2. the wiki docs [12:43] i'm not referring to ubuntuguide, or anything else [12:48] mdke, random idea, why not have the CSS changed in the wiki so it points out at the top of the page that help.ubuntu.com exists? [12:49] like a further tab you mean? [12:51] no [12:51] who reads tabs? [12:51] no like inline in the page [12:52] an invariable piece of text at the top of page - for further information maybe explore help. ... [12:52] something that says this is not definitive [12:52] but allows respect to the author [12:53] that just perpetuates the division between "official" and "unofficial" docs [12:53] kind of like did not find what you wanted why not visit "ResouceCentral" [12:53] which I really don't like [12:53] okay question, can anyone tell me how many pages are on the wiki? [12:54] it is not a dividing line is it a community validation [12:57] it's in the spec [12:57] 5000 or so [12:58] one person working alone never made stone soup, and so I see no difference between wiki and help that is all [12:58] there is an end product difference but they are "ubuntu" [12:59] i'm not sure if you're agreeing with the spec or not === ompaul is not sure either :) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [01:03] My take on it is this: If I look for a parallel idea, I am thinking of the wiki as lots of individual packages on sourceforge, and the contents of kernel.org. The help.ubuntu.com is a Ubuntu/Debian/$version. Just cos it does not make it to help does not make it better or worse, it might just be undiscovered. So I think when someone is on sourceforge a disservice is done to them as they may be missing the fact that a patched and p [01:03] olished version is sitting in their distro, lets not talk about dependency hell. That is how I see it. [01:04] for that purpose I think it is valid to point from sourceforge to distros if you can - and it is all Ubuntu === mdke blinks [01:06] mdke, is it just mud, or did I manage to make myself clear? [01:09] not clear, but it's not your fault [01:09] i'm distracted by work [01:09] i dont have time to concentrate :) [01:14] sourceforge is not a good model for anything :-P [01:18] mpt, did you get my explanation of the "documents are not in one place" thing? [01:19] mpt, then the point was well and truely lost [01:30] mdke, yes, I understood [01:31] mdke, I've knocked up the first half of the spec [01:31] Feel free to scream at me [01:31] ompaul, I *think* you're inadvertently explaining why Launchpad is a good thing :-) [01:32] mpt, read it. looks good. I may add a couple of small changes [01:34] I dont like as much as [possible in the design section [01:34] well, that excludes the DSF, for example [01:35] hmm, maybe it should just say "all help documents currently on the Ubuntu wiki". [01:36] ok [01:37] done [01:41] Has anyone thought about how i18n should be handled on help.ubuntu.com? === mpt falls asleep [01:43] mpt, not really, often the translations end up on individual loco websites [01:43] help.ubuntu-it.org for example === Kamping_Kaiser wonders why a docbook document is saying xml has to be declared first thing - when it is. anyone know? [02:12] erk, a lot of the CC meeting was discussing specs [02:12] mdke, in the long term I'd like specs stored and edited on Launchpad itself [02:18] me too [02:24] mpt, i might ask Mark to have a look at the spec and act as approver, any objections? [02:24] whoa, that's raising the bar :-) [02:24] i don't think it's a CC thing [02:24] ok [02:24] is it raising the bar? [02:25] mpt, can I take out the bit about FrontPage? there is no reason that point couldn't be fixed simply by renaming the home page of the existing wiki [02:26] i think it detracts from the point that documentation should have better visibility [02:28] mdke, done [02:29] thanks === mdke hugs again === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:34] mpt, i'm not sure I follow the lack of Structure point [02:35] that seems to me that it could be solved without a move [02:35] categories, namespaces etc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:37] It's a social thing, not a technical thing [02:37] remove it if you think it detracts from the point [02:41] mpt, I've reworded it slightly, tell me what you think [02:46] good [02:46] though, repetitious === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lambert [n=todd@c-24-125-47-253.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp199-93.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === k31th_ [n=k31th@keiths.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@194.125.86.92] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:02] mdke: ping? === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-87-85.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:54] LaserJock, yes [07:58] mdke: i just wanted to discuss the copyright of scripts/Makefiles [07:58] ok, shoot [07:59] just a sec. [08:03] ok, so according to the docteam license all scripts and Makefiles should be GPL'd [08:05] but none of the scripts or Makefiles I saw were GPL'd [08:08] how does one gpl a script? === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:10] but a GPL preamble at the top. Just a sec, I'll give you an example [08:10] LaserJock, that's fine, as per the mailing list, you can go ahead and commit it [08:11] -> dinner [08:11] mdke: I think the problem is that the original authors have to GPL it. We can't just arbitrarily relicense it. [08:13] mdke: for example for validate.sh has "author: Sean Wheller (froud) sean@inwords.co.za" === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-87-85.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:10] LaserJock, good point. Ok, let's contact him and ask, and if he is not happy, then we'll have to get another validate script [09:11] mdke; ok, you going to do that? or should I? ubuntu/Makefile is better because it just says "# Ubuntu Documentation Project " [09:14] yeah, that's fine [09:14] i'll mail sean [09:15] great, I'll try to go through the repo more and find files we need to change, etc. [09:15] feel free to change translate.sh [09:16] k [09:16] although I suppose it only needs to be GPL if it is in the source package, is that right? [09:16] we don't need the validate or translation scripts in the source package [09:17] I'm not sure but it probably wouldn't hurt to make it a policy to have proper copyrights when we make these scipts [09:17] well what is the reason that it needs to be GPL? [09:17] because it's in ubuntu main right? [09:17] no [09:18] why? [09:18] because we state on DocumentationTeam/License that all non-docs such as scripts, Makefiles, etc. are GPL and for the packaging I have to at least account for the copyright of all the files in the source. [09:19] I'm not sure what all goes into the source package but I got to looking at scripts,etc. and noticed that the didn't have any licensing really [09:19] right, so anything not in the source package doesn't matter === mdke emails sean anyway [09:21] not strictly but if we say on the wiki that they are GPL but then the files don't say that ... I just think it might be wise to clear up the licenses for non-docs in the repo [09:21] ok [09:21] go ahead with translate.sh then [09:21] i'll ask jbailey sometime [09:22] I'm going to build the source package and just see what gets included [09:22] and address those first [09:22] LaserJock, read the README [09:22] the README.debian rather [09:23] ah yes. I knew I had seen that before [09:24] we can amend that list obviously [09:26] I'm going to unpack the source package and take a look because it isn't obvious to me what exactly gets included [09:26] right now validate and translate will be there === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-87-85.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:35] mdke: ok so here is something. ubuntu/default.css is GPL. shouldn't it be FDL/CC-SA? [09:36] LaserJock, where is the source of the css? If it is a derived work, it might be gpl [09:36] *head swims* [09:36] it's derived from some docbook related thing yeah [09:36] mdke: me too. [09:37] this is quickly becoming a headache. Debian policy says that I have to account for the licenses of *every* file in the source package, I believe. [09:38] so I either have to list them individually or be able to make blanket "this directory is FDL/CC-SA" statements [09:40] say that all scripts and css are gpl? [09:40] are they? [09:41] then make them gpl :) [09:41] if I can ;-) [09:42] we'll ask where necessary [09:42] hey Burgwork [09:42] you wanna do a usability review of the current desktop guide? [09:42] ok, so maybe to start we can weed out scripts that don't need to be in the source package like validate.sh [09:43] LaserJock, ok, but as you say, we can make them gpl anyway, just for consistency [09:43] sure [09:49] mdke, in my copious free time, sure [09:49] heh [09:49] I can commit to doing it next week, no earlier [09:49] any tips appreciated [09:49] no need to commit :) [09:49] just whatever you can do, is great [09:49] just a diff will do ;-) === Burgwork avoids responsiblity [09:50] LaserJock, actually, I even have commit rights, even though I don't exercise them very often [09:50] I did join the doc team in Dec 2004, after all [09:51] I know, I was just being trying to liven my mood after this licensing thing. :-) [09:52] I'm now installing Flight4 in a OSX qemu so I think that might help as well, hopefully. [09:55] who can translate this to English: [09:55] Kino is an advanced video editor. It features excellent integration with IEEE-1394 for capture, VTR control, and recording back to the camera. It captures video to disk in Raw DV and AVI format, in both type-1 DV and type-2 DV (separate audio stream) encodings. 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