[03:18] <mhz> Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 22 Feb 02:30 UTC: Ubuntu-Cl | 22 Feb 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 22 Feb 20:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 23 Feb 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 3 Mar 21:00 UTC: Documentation Team | 7 Mar 12:00 UTC: Community Council
[03:40] <mhz> mruiz: vendra jarufe?
[03:40] <mruiz> mhz: creo que s...
[03:41] <mhz> hasta que hora le esperamos?
[03:41] <mruiz> te parece que a las 12 comencemos?
[03:43] <mhz> jarufe: buenas!
[03:43] <mhz> lo esperabamos
[03:43] <mhz> mruiz: jarufe: pipi y vuelvo al tiro (2 mins)
[03:43] <jarufe> mhz: holas 
[03:45] <jarufe> mruiz: hola
[03:46] <mhz> okis senores, Ubuntu-Cl entra en sesion
[03:46] <mhz> pueden presentarse para registro de logs?
[03:46] <mhz> registro = efecto
[03:47] <mhz> mruiz: ?
[03:47] <mhz> jarufe: ?
[03:47] <jarufe> mhz, wait 3 second 
[03:50] <mhz> mruiz: ?
[03:50] <mhz> Bueno..
[03:50] <jarufe> mruiz ? 
[03:50] <mhz> En el wiki estaba esta agenda
[03:50] <mhz>     *
[03:50] <mhz>       Plan 2006 de Difusion de Ubuntu y sabores
[03:50] <mhz>     *
[03:50] <mhz>       Organizacion del Wiki
[03:50] <mhz>     *
[03:50] <mhz>       Implementacion del Foro en ubuntu-cl.org
[03:50] <mhz>     *
[03:50] <mhz>       Definicion de Equipos en Ubuntu-cl
[03:50] <mhz>     *
[03:50] <mhz>       Traduccion del CoC
[03:50] <mhz>     *
[03:51] <mhz>       Tour Ubuntu LA (posibilidad de replicarlo en Antofa y sur?)
[03:51] <mhz> Trabajaeremos en ese orden?
[03:51] <mhz> trabajaremos = discutiremos en ese orden
[03:51] <mhz> ?
[03:51] <jarufe> okey me parece 
[03:51] <mhz> le damos, entonces
[03:51] <mhz> Plan 2006 de Difusion
[03:52] <mhz> En mi humilde opinion (IMHO), un Plan de Difusion incluye marketing
[03:52] <mhz> estamos de acuerdo?
[03:52] <jarufe> total%
[03:53] <mhz> Marketing involucra: Definiciones de Objetivos, Definiciones del "producto", Definiciones del "usuario/publico"
[03:53] <mhz> Definiciones de "donde se insertara el producto"
[03:53] <jarufe> cuales son los recursos que tenemos en estos momentos .. para comenzar con una base ...? de plantiamientos --- 
[03:53] <mhz> Apoyo de Canonical en cuanto a "merchandising"
[03:54] <mhz> uso de un buen nombre como Ubuntu
[03:54] <mhz> dominio web
[03:54] <mhz> servidores
[03:54] <jarufe> muy importante ...eso 
[03:54] <mhz> ML
[03:54] <mhz> y pronto el foro hosteado bajo el mismo dominio oficial
[03:55] <mhz> y la creencia de Canonical que en Chile haremos cosas
[03:55] <mhz> A nivel "gente", yo solo he sabido de jarufe y mruiz
[03:55] <jarufe> creo k el foro es un  canal importantiso .. 
[03:55] <mhz> sip
[03:55] <jarufe> yo conozi algunos k se lo llevo la net 
[03:56] <mhz> para mi, al menos, si no hay constancia, no "apoyo" con que contar
[03:56] <mhz> o sea, en un plan, no podria considerar a personas que "a veces" o "a lo mejor" participan
[03:58] <mhz> Entonces, en recursos "fisico" tenemos toda la infraestructura web de canonical
[03:58] <mhz> y el merchandising de los CDs
[03:58] <jarufe> mhz ? 
[03:58] <mhz> y algunas otras cosillas que podriamos solicitar (pero en mucha menor cantidad)
[03:58] <mhz> jarufe: ?
[03:59] <jarufe> se tiene algun limites de gente para la administracin de ubuntu-cl ... 
[04:00] <jarufe> o eso queda a criterio de los adm... 
[04:00] <jarufe> ?
[04:00] <mhz> nope, pero si un "perfil ideal"
[04:00] <mhz> 1) Ubuntero (firma de CoC)
[04:00] <mhz> 2) que se le conozca constancia en labores comunitarias
[04:01] <mhz> 3) que no sea vaca
[04:01] <jarufe> lo pregunto como experiencia ... de lo que se vivio el comienzo de ubuntu-cl 
[04:01] <mhz> :)
[04:01] <jarufe> habia como 20 adm 
[04:02] <mhz> jarufe: para mi, un admin tiene tareas especificas
[04:02] <mhz> mientras ese admin las cumpla... para que tener 3 mas que repitan la rueda?
[04:02] <mhz> volviendo a Difusion,
[04:02] <jarufe> mm okey 
[04:03] <mhz> propongo que una vez hayamos definido todo lo mencionado al incio, 
[04:03] <mhz> listemos las distintas posibilidades "concretas" de llevar a cabo activiades de difusion
[04:04] <jarufe> oka ... cuando ya se tendra el foro en el dominio ubuntu-cl.org 
[04:04] <jarufe> ?
[04:04] <mhz> hoy tengo muchas ideas pero si no tenemos claras las capacidades de respuesta para afrontar tareas.. dificilmente podremos hacer siquiera un install fest :D
[04:04] <mhz> jarufe: de momento, para mi, mruiz es Mr. Foros
[04:05] <mhz> mruiz: el foro esta ok, cierto?
[04:05] <jarufe> okey pero mientras centralizemos todos ... seria  mejor ... 
[04:05] <mhz> jarufe: lo que creo que falta es mudarlo a ubuntu-cl
[04:06] <jarufe> mhz, me gustaria saber las ideas k tienes ... para ir complementando y acoplando las mias 
[04:07] <mhz> jarufe: okis, cero problema. las listare en el wiki manana en la noche
[04:07] <mhz> revisa RecentChanges y te suscribes a las paginas editadas
[04:08] <mruiz> :D
[04:08] <mruiz> me ca :S
[04:08] <mhz> jarufe: estas de acuerdo que antes de lanzarnos a discutir actividades, primero definamos esos puntos mencionados?
[04:08] <jarufe> hola mruiz 
[04:08] <mruiz> hola jarufe
[04:08] <mruiz> mhz, jarufe: de qu me perd?
[04:08] <jarufe> comenzamos con el primer pto 
[04:08] <mhz> mruiz: estamos analizando Difusion
[04:08] <mruiz> ok
[04:09] <jarufe> en resumen ... 
[04:09] <jarufe> tenemos lo fisico y la  merchandising  
[04:09] <mhz> mruiz: yo propongo definir las bases sobre las cuales elaboraremos un Plan de Difusion y Marketing de Ubuntu-cL
[04:10] <mhz> agregar un FODA (resumido) y hacer una lista de actividades que creamos podremos relaizar durante el 2006
[04:10] <mhz> obviamente, la definicion de todo eso sera en el wiki, no en IRC (podriamos estar hooooraaaas)
[04:11] <mhz> jarufe: estas de acuerdo?
[04:11] <mruiz> jajaja
[04:12] <jarufe> oka 
[04:12] <mhz> mruiz: de acuerdo?
[04:12] <mruiz> mhz, jarufe: estoy de acuerdo con elaborar el plan... la idea sera fijar una misin/visin, luego objetivos y actividades
[04:12] <mhz> si pues
[04:13] <mhz> eso lo hacemos en el wiki
[04:13] <mhz> yo me ofrezco a crear las paginas con el contenido inicial y ustedes lo bombardean
[04:13] <jsgotangco> chile team meeting? :)
[04:13] <mruiz> jsgotangco: yes 
[04:14] <mhz> jsgotangco: yup
[04:14] <jsgotangco> coolies
[04:14] <mhz> until 00:30 if no one else arrives
[04:14] <mhz> asking for the 'floor' ;0
[04:15] <mhz> and jsgotangco at 12 utc, edubuntu-devel  ;D
[04:15] <jsgotangco> no one really uses this room at this time
[04:15] <mhz> mruiz: jarufe: pasamos al siguiente punto ?
[04:15] <mhz> jsgotangco: we know, hence we took advantage
[04:16] <mhz> mruiz: jarufe: pasamos al siguiente punto ?
[04:16] <mruiz> mhz: ok
[04:16] <jarufe> vamos 
[04:16] <mhz> = Organizacion del Wiki =
[04:16] <mhz> El wiki por su naturaleza misma es "comunitario"
[04:17] <mhz> no obstante, podemos establecer las normas minimas de esa colaboracion
[04:17] <mhz> y la estructura del wiki
[04:17] <mhz> jarufe: mruiz: para que necesitamos el wiki ?
[04:18] <mruiz> creo que el wiki nos serve harto para la documentacin... comoc hablbamos el otro da es factible ocupar moin2docbook 
[04:19] <jarufe> via de comunicacin ... muy importante ...   
[04:19] <mruiz> nos permite coordinar fcilmente actividades
[04:19] <mhz> mruiz: jarufe: yo opino lo mismo
[04:20] <mhz> mruiz: jarufe: yo opino lo mismo, pero llevo mas de 2 anos trabajando con los devel de Moin wiki, por ende mi vision de como usarlo esta muy lejos de ser 'objetiva'
[04:20] <mruiz> jajaja
[04:21] <mhz> en consecuencia, podrian disenar una estructura (jpg, dia, etc) del sitio que cada uno se imagina y las nalizamos?
[04:21] <mruiz> adems es un medio sencillo,ordenado
[04:21] <mruiz> ok
[04:21] <mhz> mruiz: cuando crees que la puedes tener?
[04:21] <mhz> jarufe: ?
[04:22] <mruiz> mhz: el viernes puede ser
[04:22] <mhz> mruiz: perfecto
[04:22] <mhz> jarufe: ?
[04:22] <jarufe> okey .,.. 
[04:22] <jarufe> yo me comprometo para el viernes ... 
[04:22] <mhz> genial
[04:22] <mruiz> :)
[04:22] <mhz> =  Implementacion del Foro en ubuntu-cl.org =
[04:22] <mruiz> pero es un modelo del wiki, o del sitio que queremos de ubuntu-cl?
[04:22] <mhz> mruiz: usted tiene el baston
[04:23] <mhz> mruiz: estructura de como deseas / imaginas que debieramos usar el wiki de ubuntu-cl
[04:23] <mhz> secciones, 
[04:23] <mhz> usos, etc
[04:24] <mhz> es nuestro sitio y ese sitio usa Moin (para bien o mal)
[04:24] <mhz> hagamos de el lo que mejor imaginemos
[04:24] <mhz> mruiz: cachai, gallo?
[04:24] <mhz> :D
[04:24] <jarufe> wuajajaj xD
[04:24] <mruiz> jarufe, mhz: respecto a los foros ... quisiera plantear una reestructuracin de los contenidos del foro; se han ido aadiendo foros de discusin a medida de la necesidad
[04:25] <mruiz> adems tengo ideado "convocar" a los usuarios ms activos para esta tarea y designarlos como moderadores
[04:25] <mruiz> jarufe, que opinas?
[04:26] <jarufe> revisando el foro un ajuste  de foros k estan muy vagos seria bueno ... 
[04:26] <mhz> mruiz: me gusta la idea de convocar, y creoi que tendra estrecha relacion con el plan de difusion
[04:26] <jarufe> para evitar las duplicidades de topic 
[04:26] <mruiz> sip...
[04:27] <mruiz> tcnicamente hablando, con phpBB2 nos ha sido bastante llevadera la administracin de los foros
[04:27] <mhz> "ajustes"  que es eso para foros?
[04:28] <mruiz> y lo mejor es que existe como paquete dentro de la distribucin, lo que significa un mayor nivel de seguridad 
[04:28] <jarufe> seguiremos con phpbb2 
[04:28] <jarufe> ?
[04:29] <mruiz> creo que es una buena opcin... qu ms podra ser, jarufe?
[04:31] <mhz> mruiz: jarufe: en todo caso, es muy importante que los acuerdos tecnicos (tecnologia a usar, secciones aincroporar, normas, estructura del wiki, etc) quede registrado siempre en el wiki. El Community Council se basa en gran medida para aceptar a un nuevo miembro en su colaboraciones de Foros, ML, wiki, bugs, y desarrollo
[04:32] <mruiz> mhz: entonces debemos crear esas secciones...
[04:32] <mhz> sip, yo tambien me ofrezco para la creacion de esas secciones, una vez acordemos despues del viernes, la estructura final inicial de l wiki
[04:33] <mruiz> jarufe: corra compadre!
[04:35] <mruiz> actualmente tengo un anlisis de estadsticas de acceso para los foros... va viento en popa...
[04:35] <mruiz> lo pueden ver en http://ubuntu-cl.no-ip.org/cgi-bin/awstats.pl
[04:36] <mruiz> el problema es que google y muchos sitios quedaron con informacin "amarrada" a www.ubuntu.cl
[04:36] <mhz> mruiz: jarufe: siguiente punto?
[04:36] <mhz> 1 ...
[04:36] <mhz> 2 ...
[04:36] <mhz> 3...
[04:36] <mhz> 4...
[04:36] <mhz> 5...
[04:36] <mhz> =  Definicion de Equipos en Ubuntu-cl =
[04:36] <mhz> Propongo que esos equipos sean definidos una vez tengamos listos los puntos anteriores
[04:37] <mhz> No obstante, creo saludable comenzar a probarnos y conocernos en cuanto a responsabilidades
[04:37] <mruiz> sip
[04:37] <mhz> De momento, cualquier anomalia de una ML, Foro, wiki o cualquier canal oficial hosteado y entregado por el CC a cualquier LoCo team
[04:37] <mhz> es responsabilidad de quien tenga myor rango/experiencia a la vista del CC
[04:37] <mhz> en este caso, yo seria el primero que llamarian para pedir explicaciones
[04:37] <mhz> hasta ahora, jamas me he mandado un condor
[04:37] <mhz> o
[04:37] <mhz> lo que es "my raro" 
[04:37] <mhz> :D
[04:37] <mruiz> que condoro, por ejemplo?
[04:37] <mhz> pero jamas ha sido mi intencion hacerme cargo de todas las cosas
[04:38] <mhz> condoro seria =  ser agresivo con algun visitante
[04:38] <mhz> no cumplir al CoC
[04:38] <mhz> ser cabron
[04:38] <mhz> etc
[04:38] <mhz> criticar directamente a alguien sin averiguar razones
[04:38] <mhz> etc
[04:39] <mhz> o sea, ser desatinado!
[04:39] <mhz> En fin, de momento veo ciertos canales ya funcionando
[04:39] <mhz> Foro, (que aun no logro comunicarme con henrik)
[04:39] <mruiz> canales?
[04:39] <mhz> Wiki y ML
[04:39] <jarufe> entonces como queda definido el equipo ... 
[04:40] <mhz> jarufe: mruiz: propongo, momentaneamente, a mruiz Mr. Foro, jarufe Mr. ML, mhz Mr. Wiki
[04:40] <mruiz> jajaja sip
[04:41] <mhz> y veamos como nos sentimos ahi, como nos relacionamos con las comunidades, etc
[04:41] <mruiz> sabes, me preocupa el ML... cmo "revivirlo" ?
[04:41] <mhz> obviamente, nos reportamos mutuamente y nos ayudamos siempre
[04:41] <mhz> mruiz: esa es justamente una parte de Difusion
[04:41] <mruiz> cuando apareci el foro, "todos" se fueron para all
[04:42] <mhz> en un ML hay movimiento solo cuando suceden cosas
[04:42] <mhz> mruiz: de nosotros depende que sucedan cosas
[04:42] <jarufe> pero todo las todas de decisiones pueden ser establecido en el wiki, foro y ml ... 
[04:42] <mruiz> :)
[04:42] <mhz> jarufe: ?
[04:43] <mhz> jarufe: si claro, pero cada encargado es responsable de gestionar el correcto funcionamiento de las tareas asignadas segun objetivos
[04:43] <mhz> jarufe: manana pueden existir 10 decisiones en el wiki
[04:44] <mhz> eso no significa quelas decisiones les saldran patitas y comenzaran a auto-gestionarse
[04:44] <mhz> alguien debe hacerlas
[04:44] <jarufe> en eso estamos claros 
[04:44] <mruiz> creo que, por as decirlo, es bueno "replicar" la informacin... para que llegue a ms gente: no todos estn acostumbrados al foro, ML o Wiki
[04:44] <jarufe> pero nos somos un equipo ? 
[04:44] <jarufe> debemos comunicarnos ... 
[04:45] <mruiz> claro
[04:45] <mruiz> haber, haber, me perd....
[04:45] <mruiz> jarufe: a que te refieres con la comunicacin?
[04:45] <mhz> jarufe: ? cuando hemos dicho que no nos comunicariamos?
[04:45] <jarufe> wait... 
[04:45] <jarufe> es el tema k planteo ... 
[04:46] <jarufe> referente llevemos de la mano las informacion en los 3 frentes
[04:47] <mhz> aun no comprendo, con peras y manzanas, por fa ;)
[04:47] <jarufe> yo digo k toda la informacion k se estableca en el wiki 
[04:48] <jarufe> tambien la podemos comunicar en el foro y ML 
[04:48] <jarufe> ahora si ?
[04:48] <mruiz> ahhh
[04:48] <mhz> ahhh, si poh!
[04:48] <mruiz> yo dije lo mismo :D
[04:48] <mhz> yo no, no tan claro
[04:48] <mhz> jarufe: sip
[04:49] <mhz> esa es la idea
[04:49] <mhz> jarufe: mruiz: acuerdo en los equipos momentaneos?
[04:49] <mruiz> sip
[04:49] <jarufe> yep  
[04:49] <mhz> Oh, falta un canal! IRC
[04:50] <mhz> Seveas me pasara ubuntu-cl
[04:50] <mruiz> :S
[04:50] <mhz> registrado por alguien mas  en irc.freenode
[04:50] <mruiz> quien?
[04:50] <mhz> ni idea
[04:50] <mhz> pero Seveas es el encargado
[04:50] <mhz> asi que el se hace cargo de recuperarlo :D
[04:50] <mhz> y nosotros de usarlo
[04:50] <mhz> :D
[04:51] <mhz> cuando exista ubuntu-cl para Chile, deberemos definir que uso le daremos
[04:51] <mruiz> ok
[04:51] <mhz> pero discutamoslo cuando suceda, les parece?
[04:51] <jarufe> oka... .
[04:51] <mhz> =  Traduccion del CoC =
[04:51] <jarufe> un pregunta -- antes de continuar ...
[04:52] <mhz> dale
[04:52] <jarufe> mruiz, kien esta de adm del ML ?
[04:52] <mruiz> mhz!
[04:52] <jarufe> oka 
[04:52] <jarufe> continuemos 
[04:52] <mhz> jarufe: pero te dare acceso para que lo hagas tu mismo
[04:52] <mhz> Mr. ML
[04:52] <mhz> ;)
[04:53] <jarufe> gracias mhz 
[04:53] <mhz> de nada, maestro
[04:53] <mhz> BTW, jarufe sabes lo que es admin una ML ?
[04:54] <mhz> hasta hora es casi puro spam, pero ademas de eso, implicara mantener comunicacion con la ML, semanlmente, una vez que tengamos el plan
[04:54] <mhz> = Traduccion del CoC =
[04:55] <mruiz> wait
[04:55] <jarufe> no he administrado ML ... solo portal y foro... pero jarufe ya esta gOOgleando 
[04:55] <mhz> me encantaria traducirlo pero cada vez veo ma lejano hacerlo, al menos hasta Mayo :(
[04:55] <mhz> jarufe: te logeas, decides que mails se van pa la casa, y cuales llegan a la lista
[04:56] <mhz> todo mediante botones
[04:56] <mruiz> :o
[04:56] <mhz> super simple
[04:56] <lguerra> perdon que me meta, sera que yo podria trabajar con ubuntu-cl, ?
[04:56] <jarufe> si conozcco ciertas funciones de un adm ,.. 
[04:56] <mhz> lguerra: en que sentido?
[04:56] <jarufe> solo k no he metido las manos 
[04:56] <lguerra> pues si, es que quiero hacer cosas y he hecho algunas, pero me estoy cansando de que -co no haga nada
[04:56] <mhz> jarufe: ah, ok. pero ya sabes que estamos mruiz y yo para ayudarte cuando lo pidas
[04:57] <mhz> lguerra: hehehe
[04:57] <lguerra> entonces me gustaria involucrarme con un LoCo 
[04:57] <jarufe> eso no es necesario mencionarlo 
[04:57] <mhz> lguerra: lo lamento
[04:57] <mruiz> lguerra: como va ubuntu-co??
[04:57] <mhz> lguerra: de momento, en esta etapa super incial, no tengo idea, pero seguro que mas manos son bienvenidas
[04:58] <lguerra> mruiz, solo visitalo y te das cuenta, 
[04:58] <mhz> lguerra: quizas, si mruiz y jarufe estan de acuerdo, podrias ayudarnos con la revision del plan que disenaremos para el periodo abril -septiembre
[04:59] <mhz> lguerra: si te refieres a #ubuntu-co
[04:59] <mhz> yo hace raaaaaartoooooo mencione que era una locura dividir hispanoparlantes en IRC
[04:59] <mruiz> mhz. jarufe: me parece buena idea que alguien "externo" revise la planificacin... como una auditora
[04:59] <mhz> salvo que feuran para tareas super especificas
[04:59] <lguerra> gustoso les colaboraria, y si desean puedo irme encargando de la traduccion del CoC
[05:00] <mhz> lguerra: podrias revisar el Plan de Difusion que tendremos listo en 2 semanas y meientras traducir el CoC ?
[05:00] <mruiz> encuentro ms oportuno que trabajemos en la importancia del CoC para la comunidad Ubuntu
[05:00] <mhz> jarufe: mruiz: que opinan de eso para lguerra ?
[05:00] <mruiz> mhz: no problem
[05:01] <jarufe> yo no tengo ningun problema contar con lguerra 
[05:01] <mhz> mruiz: claro, es importante definir la relevancia para la comunidad pero de momento es preciso traducirlo
[05:01] <mruiz> mientras ms gente (comprometida) se una al barquito, mejor
[05:01] <lguerra> sips, yo traduzco Coc y me avisan cuando este listo el plan de Difusion
[05:01] <mhz> lguerra: entonces +1 al CoC +1 a la revision
[05:01] <mruiz> adems es necesario explicar con peras y manzanas la importancia de las llaves gpg y su correcto uso
[05:02] <lguerra> oks.
[05:02] <mhz> lguerra: tienes 2 semanas para desde manana para el CoC
[05:02] <mhz> mruiz: exacto
[05:02] <mhz> pero no crees que eso sera tarea del Plan de Difusion?
[05:03] <mhz> lguerra: gracias!
[05:03] <lguerra> oks mhz espero tenerlo antes
[05:03] <mhz> lguerra: lento pero seguro es mejor
[05:03] <mhz> lguerra: recuerda que tambien se viene el Tour
[05:03] <lguerra> una ultima pregunta, publico en ubuntu-cl el CoC traducido?
[05:04] <mhz> lguerra: sip, todos tus vances ahi
[05:04] <mhz> para suscribirnos y editar
[05:05] <mhz> mruiz: jarufe: podriamos reunirnos el jueves para tratar el utlimo punto en agenda? yo podria resumilres todo en un mail y discurtimos el jueves?
[05:05] <mruiz> vale, np
[05:05] <mhz> jarufe: ?
[05:05] <mruiz> buena primera reunion
[05:05] <jarufe> pero debe ser despues de las 00:00 
[05:06] <jarufe> esta semana estoy saliendo muy tarde 
[05:06] <mhz> mruiz: sip, me quedo contento, pero creo que aun podemos ir algo un poco mas rapido
[05:06] <mhz> jarufe: oops
[05:06] <mruiz> claro... 
[05:06] <mhz> 00:00 a las 00:45 ?
[05:06] <jarufe> esa es la falta de trainners 
[05:06] <jarufe> cada vez avanzaremos mas rapido 
[05:06] <mhz> ah, claro
[05:07] <mhz> mi primera reunion IRC fue aca mismo con edubuntu-devel
[05:07] <mhz> en 65 minutos resolvieron sobre 7 temas!!!
[05:07] <mhz> entre 6 perosnas que eramos en esa epoca
[05:07] <mruiz> pero.."la prctica hace al maestro"; no te preocupes
[05:08] <mhz> claro! no me preocupo, me siento re contento!
[05:08] <mhz> jarufe: gracias por llegar
[05:08] <mhz> mruiz: gracias por asisit tambien
[05:08] <mhz> lguerra: muchas gracias por ayudarnos
[05:08] <mhz> y para finalizar
[05:08] <mruiz> mhz, lguerra , jarufe: gracias a uds
[05:09] <lguerra> mhz, mruiz, jarufe  un placer poder colaborar en algo
[05:09] <mhz> yo manana, despues de la reunion de edubuntu-devel
[05:09] <mhz> enviare un amil a ustedes 4 con los acuerdos
[05:09] <jarufe> me siento muy contentos amigos: mruiz mhz lguerra xD
[05:09] <mhz> yo igual
[05:09] <mruiz> jarufe: al fin avanzamos!
[05:09] <mhz> confio en que tenemos herramientas y power suficiente
[05:10] <jarufe> ooooohhhh si ... 
[05:10] <jarufe> mruiz, te dije k teniamos k seguir al conejo blanco . 
[05:10] <mhz> obviamente, la idea es que al menos nos reunamos cada 15 dias
[05:10] <mhz> pero en esta etapa, propongo 1 vez por semana
[05:10] <mruiz> jajaja... por el camino amarillo
[05:10] <mhz> ?
[05:11] <mhz> ah, debe ser del problema del pasado?
[05:11] <mruiz> claro
[05:13] <mruiz> podra ser ms temprano la reunin?  pronto comienzan las clases :S
[05:13] <mhz> por favor!
[05:13] <mhz> :D
[05:14] <mhz> o podriamos rotar horarios y asi todos felices?
[05:14] <mruiz> buena idea...
[05:14] <mruiz> que tal jarufe, lguerra?
[05:14] <mhz> si somos 4, deberiamos proponer 4 horarios
[05:14] <mhz> ideales para cada uno
[05:15] <mhz> y asi, 1 vez por mes te toca tu ideal
[05:15] <lguerra> uhmmm, yo solo tengo un unico problema, acabo de llegar de clases, 
[05:15] <mhz> lol
[05:15] <mhz> lguerra: cambiate de TZ!
[05:15] <lguerra> jajajaja
[05:15] <mhz> lguerra: aca son las 01:15 AM
[05:16] <jarufe> el sistema de votacion de horarios alternativo me parece ideal 
[05:16] <jarufe> dentro del wiki 
[05:16] <mhz> ah, okis
[05:16] <lguerra> para mi es facil cualquier horario menos el comprendido entre 18:00 UTC y 2:30 UTC
[05:17] <mhz> okey, revisemos ese tema hasta el viernes, donde volveremos a tener contacto via email para definir una pronta reunion estructural de wiki
[05:17] <mruiz> ok
[05:18] <mruiz> buenas noches amigos
[05:18] <mhz> estamos ok con todo entonce? me puedo ir a la cama?
[05:18] <mhz> buenas!
[05:18] <jarufe> vamos a descanzar ... 
[05:18] <mhz> y recuerden si pueden...
[05:18] <mhz> 12 UTC
[05:18] <mhz> edubuntu-devel
[05:18] <mhz> aca mismo
[05:18] <lguerra> aca estare
[05:18] <mhz> 09:00 AM Chile
[05:18] <mhz> Nos belmont!
[05:18] <lguerra> 07:00 AM Colombia
[05:18] <mruiz> chaoo
[05:18] <jarufe> aloja 
[05:18] <lguerra> Chao
[05:19] <mruiz> +
[12:58] <JaneW> 2 mins to Edubuntu dev Update Meeting
[12:59] <highvoltage> Hi everyone
[01:00] <JaneW> hello, are we all here?
[01:00] <pips1> hi
[01:00] <JaneW> hispacey, jelkner, pips1, mhz, highvoltage
[01:00] <JaneW> is ogra here?
[01:01] <jelkner> hi Jane!
[01:01] <JaneW> we are waiting on flint, jsgotangco, kjcole ...
[01:01] <JaneW> Can we try to keep focused and on topic today please?
[01:02] <JaneW> Else we just ramble for 2+ hours 
[01:02] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes, is there an agenda?
[01:02] <JaneW> jelkner: do you have time constrainst today?
[01:02] <jelkner> yes, i'm getting ready to leave for PyCon, and i was out yesterday
[01:02] <JaneW> nless otherwise stated the meeting agenda is as follows:
[01:03] <JaneW>     *
[01:03] <JaneW>       Technical
[01:03] <JaneW>           o
[01:03] <JaneW>             Progress over past week
[01:03] <JaneW>           o
[01:03] <JaneW>             Issues/ Blocks
[01:03] <JaneW>           o
[01:03] <JaneW>             Planned Activities for coming week
[01:03] <JaneW>     *
[01:03] <JaneW>       Documentation
[01:03] <JaneW>           o
[01:03] <JaneW>             Progress over past week
[01:03] <JaneW>           o
[01:03] <JaneW>             Issues/ Blocks
[01:03] <JaneW>           o
[01:03] <JaneW>             Planned Activities for coming week
[01:03] <JaneW>     *
[01:03] <JaneW>       Art Work
[01:03] <JaneW>           o
[01:03] <JaneW>             Progress over past week
[01:03] <JaneW>           o
[01:03] <JaneW>             Issues/ Blocks
[01:03] <JaneW>           o
[01:03] <JaneW>             Planned Activities for coming week
[01:03] <JaneW>     *
[01:03] <JaneW>       Management and/or Community - any further issues that need to be discussed. These may be tabled in advance as required.
[01:03] <JaneW> would anyone like to table any specific items for today which deviate from the above?
[01:04] <JaneW> If anything needs a lengthy discussion we'll schedule a sep time for it, as we eventually did last week for the Drupal/Moin decision
[01:04] <JaneW> hi ogra
[01:04] <JaneW> jelkner: can we let ogra go first?
[01:04] <jelkner> sure
[01:04] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes, let him loose please
[01:04] <JaneW> great, I prefer it that way :)
[01:04] <JaneW> ogra: HIT IT
[01:05] <ogra> i have not much to say, the final work on the goals is done, flight4 is out ....
[01:05] <JaneW> w00t!
[01:05] <highvoltage> ogra++
[01:05] <pips1> clap clap
[01:05] <JaneW> ogra: are all your goals implemented fully?
[01:05] <JaneW> besides the deferred ones of course
[01:05] <mhz> _o/ \o/ !!
[01:06] <JaneW> argh, I am getting oops's in LP so can't check
[01:06] <ogra> JaneW, nope , we decided to defer the nbd (swap over network) part for dapper+1 since the change we want is to intrusive
[01:07] <highvoltage> oh no :(
[01:07] <flint> oh it is early...
[01:07] <ogra> so thin-client-memory-usage will only be partially implemented... but i'll put up a doc how to set it up manually, its very easy
[01:07] <JaneW> ogra: screensaver default images - that's still pending images right - but it's not edubuntu specific...
[01:07] <highvoltage> that was my favourite dapper ltsp feature
[01:07] <highvoltage> ogra: so swap over nbd can still be done manually?
[01:07] <JaneW> ogra: so it's as done as it;s going to be then? t-c-m-u..?
[01:08] <ogra> JaneW, 3/4 is implemented, i need to create an empty package in ubuntu-artwork for it... then its technically done 
[01:08] <ogra> (screensaver-default-image)
[01:08] <ogra> JaneW, yup... there will only be fixes i'll merge from the debian guys now ...
[01:09] <ogra> the rest is implemented ... 
[01:09] <JaneW> ogra: is mdz aware of/happy with that?
[01:09] <highvoltage> ogra: apart from the swap-nbd question, how much RAM does a thin client currently use? i haven't had a chance to check yet.
[01:09] <ogra> i think so ...
[01:09] <JaneW> ogra: cool
[01:09] <ogra> he told me not to do the nbd stuff anymore ... 
[01:09] <JaneW> ogra: well done! You are well within the deadlines this time :))
[01:09] <JaneW> ogra: is there more to squeeze in before FF?
[01:10] <ogra> since what we want is a totally automatic swapserver ... and thats not achievable in time
[01:10] <flint> morning jonathan, ollie at this stage can we still reset the default file in firefox?  btw I missed. what is nbd?
[01:10] <ogra> only fixes on the artwork package and one fix on gnome-settings-daemon is pending
[01:10] <highvoltage> ogra: the content filtering, enyc asked about that this morning, so i told him you were thinking of privoxy at some point. did you go with that, or something else?
[01:10] <ogra> highvoltage, willow
[01:10] <spacey> hi
[01:10] <highvoltage> flint: morning
[01:11] <JaneW> highvoltage: we have someone willing to pay $100 for 'aprental control' pref dans guardian
[01:11] <highvoltage> ogra: this one?
[01:11] <JaneW> highvoltage: ogra likes willow for Dapper+1
[01:11] <ogra> highvoltage, http://www.digitallumber.com/software/willow/
[01:11] <highvoltage> ogra: i was just about to post that link, thanks
[01:11] <ogra> it works with very low maintenance 
[01:11] <JaneW> sorry aprental=parental
[01:12] <highvoltage> nice. low maintenance++
[01:12] <ogra> but you can also do very fine grained stuff with it ...
[01:12] <JaneW> ogra: what do you still need before edubuntu 6.04 is DONE?
[01:12] <highvoltage> how does it work, with a web interface?
[01:12] <JaneW> ogra: TESTING and bug filing...
[01:12] <ogra> JaneW, exactly ...
[01:12] <spacey> willow works great
[01:12] <spacey> have it few months in production now
[01:12] <JaneW> ogra: the 3 x artwork selections for the 3 themes
[01:13] <flint> willow looks interesting!
[01:13] <ogra> a wee for nbd would be great ... i'd really have loved to get it in ... but well ...
[01:13] <JaneW> ogra: the screensaver images
[01:13] <ogra> *week
[01:13] <spacey> ogra: can't get it packaged in universe/multiverse?
[01:13] <flint> ollie what is nbd? 
[01:13] <ogra> spacey, tomorrow is feature freeze ...
[01:13] <JaneW> ogra: don;t fight mdz on it, but if it can be done safely we should
[01:13] <ogra> flint, an easy way to setup swap over network 
[01:13] <spacey> so1  day left?
[01:13] <spacey> :p
[01:14] <flint> ok
[01:14] <JaneW> ogra: what time is FF at midnight in LA tomorrow night?
[01:14] <ogra> flint, the current problem is that you need to create a swapfile before you can use it ...
[01:14] <ogra> JaneW, no idea ... but i hope so :)
[01:14] <flint> gotcha...this is the workstation blues...
[01:15] <highvoltage> ogra: the way that ltsp.org creates swapfiles, is that too crude?
[01:15] <JaneW> ogra: actually it will probably be around the time of our meeting
[01:15] <ogra> flint, and i'm working on a patch that creates it automatically, so you can run the daemon via inetd and just get swapspace on demand
[01:15] <JaneW> ogra: we'll know what's made it and what hasn;t by then, and mdz will probably make selective exceptions then too
[01:16] <JaneW> ogra: the meeting is at 20:00UTC tomorrow
[01:16] <ogra> highvoltage, the fix needs to be done in nbd-daemon to get it right... nit with wrapper scripts
[01:16] <ogra> ah, fine ...
[01:16] <highvoltage> ogra: ok
[01:16] <flint> JaneW, the one thing I want to know is can you reset the firefox default page on the install cd?
[01:16] <ogra> flint, reset ?
[01:16] <ogra> how ?
[01:17] <flint> set it to something else rather than what it is.
[01:17] <ogra> what is it ? i have no fresh install handy
[01:17] <ogra> i thought it was the current edubuntu intro page ...
[01:17] <flint> the standard ubuntu page
[01:17] <ogra> hmm, sure ? 
[01:17] <flint> which comes in as a file
[01:18] <ogra> nope, as an alternative ...
[01:18] <JaneW> ogra: wasn;t there a translation issue with having the edubuntu page last time?
[01:18] <flint> I am thinking that there may be a more useful page for an educator, or possibily links to other files in the edubuntu documentation on that page.
[01:18] <ogra> i'll look if there is anything wrong in the artwork package with the set alternative stuff
[01:19] <flint> ogra, ollie could you reset the base url as part of an artwork shift?
[01:19] <ogra> you mean matching the selected age of the theme ? 
[01:20] <flint> ogra, the more I play with the prototypes the more I realize that the key to getting good information about operation of edubuntu is the browser default
[01:20] <flint> this is where i believe a teacher will start to look for guidance
[01:20] <ogra> flint, but thats also the page you see every browerstart ...
[01:20] <mhz> JaneW: what do you mean by "JaneW ogra: wasn;t there a translation issue" ?
[01:20] <flint> thus it is at this point that the documentation display processneeds to begin...
[01:21] <highvoltage> ogra: local device support, is that also affected by the nbd problem?
[01:21] <ogra> oh, JaneW one issue ... i'm waiting for the schooltool guys to finish theor new package ... the old one wont work with our zope ...
[01:21] <flint> ogra, that is fine, I can live with links off the base "ubuntu" page, but you gotta admit that having an ubuntu page default in edubuntu is a bit odd and confusing...
[01:21] <JaneW> mhz: afair we finished the about edubuntu page late and didn't have the required translations...
[01:22] <JaneW> ogra: oic, when is it due?
[01:22] <mhz> JaneW: translations as in "other languages" ?
[01:22] <JaneW> mhz: yes, install languages
[01:22] <ogra> its currntly not on the CD ... brian promised me a package before 23rd ... but it doesnt look good ... i'll talk to mdz later today
[01:23] <JaneW> ogra: oh dear, what's the likely outcome?
[01:23] <ogra> i know sabdfl has interest in getting the latest schooltool in
[01:23] <flint> ogra, does this have to do with the zope2 verses zope3 thing?
[01:23] <JaneW> ogra: does it look like we won;t have schooltool again?
[01:23] <ogra> so matt wont object i guess
[01:23] <mhz> JaneW: lguerra (in here, helping ubuntu-cl and edubuntu-es) can help us with translations into spanish if still neded
[01:23] <ogra> again ?
[01:23] <JaneW> I do think sabdfl would try to get it in
[01:23] <flint> JaneW, you gott have schooltool
[01:24] <JaneW> flint: we want schooltool - but it needs to be ready in our scheduled timeframe...
[01:24] <flint> ogra, they have like a "runtime" where they include their silly zope3 as a package.
[01:24] <flint> ogra, what did Tom Hoffman say about schooltool?
[01:24] <ogra> flint, not feasable for us
[01:24] <jelkner> JaneW: I need to run.  Kevin and I will give an update on the cookbook next week.
[01:25] <mhz> JaneW: ohhhm you mean, "late" so there will be no translations ?
[01:25] <JaneW> jelkner: how's it looking?
[01:25] <jelkner> we are dealing with hardware now
[01:25] <JaneW> jelkner: mail the list the mean time or we can schedule a sep discussion?
[01:25] <jelkner> setting up a lab so we can take screen shots extra
[01:25] <JaneW> jelkner: how about tomorrow?
[01:25] <JaneW> jelkner: that would be great :)
[01:25] <jelkner> i'm leaving for PyCon
[01:25] <jsgotangco> ohhh PyCon
[01:26] <jelkner> see you all next week
[01:26] <JaneW> jelkner: can screenshots be sent to you, I am sure some other would be happy to scrape the for you...
[01:26] <JaneW> jelkner: enjoy
[01:26] <jelkner> thanks
[01:26] <pips1> what is the status on teacher tool? (sorry for not being up to date)
[01:27] <JaneW> jsgotangco: we are just moving onto docs now, good timing
[01:27] <ogra> pips1, no new status, student-control-panel is packaged, does one basic function and still needs love
[01:27] <mhz> JaneW: jsgotangco and I have some advances
[01:27] <jsgotangco> oh cool
[01:27] <highvoltage> ogra: local device support, is that also affected by the nbd problem?
[01:27] <ogra> highvoltage, not really ...
[01:27] <JaneW> ogra:  what happened with Linus's tool, he never responded to my message...
[01:27] <highvoltage> ogra: so there will be some kind of local dev support?
[01:27] <ogra> highvoltage, even i'm willing to do some testing with nbd ...
[01:28] <highvoltage> cool. and local app support?
[01:28] <mhz> jsgotangco: is this ok https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuQuickguide/RoadMap
[01:28] <ogra> JaneW, no license, not package ... he didnt answer on several requests
[01:28] <jsgotangco> checking
[01:28] <ogra> s/not/no/
[01:28] <JaneW> highvoltage: local device support is defefferd sadly
[01:28] <highvoltage> ok.
[01:28] <flint> ogra, could local storage and multimedia at the workstation relate?
[01:28] <JaneW> ogra: pity
[01:28] <jsgotangco> wow
[01:28] <jsgotangco> tick marks!
[01:29] <mhz> jsgotangco: sure, (./)
[01:29] <JaneW> mhz: cool page :)
[01:29] <flint> ogra, I have been doing some work and have concluded that they do.
[01:29] <ogra> highvoltage, i want it completely implemented in dapper+1 .... but for dapper the user needs to use the scripts from ltsp.org and ltspfs/ltspfsd from universe
[01:29] <jsgotangco> errr
[01:29] <jsgotangco> the question is
[01:29] <mhz> JaneW: thx
[01:30] <flint> ogra, how documented (or not) are the ltsp scripts?
[01:30] <ogra> flint, not yet
[01:30] <Yagisan> ogra: we have a howto for that ?
[01:30] <JaneW> mhz: jsgotangco would be able to tell you more about the translation issue from last time - I didn't really understand it myself.
[01:30] <ogra> i'll do a big documentation run on the wiki before release
[01:30] <flint> ogra, ollie do you think i can get them running in a lab environment?
[01:30] <mhz> JaneW: okis, i'll talk to him and lguerra at the end of meeting
[01:30] <JaneW> ogra: do you know when you'll have a chance to look at that? I think the more time we give the doc guys to polish the better...
[01:31] <ogra> flint, try it out ... search for ltspfs on the ltsp.org wiki ... there are howtos and scripts
[01:31] <mhz> ogra: sorry, "documentation run" ?
[01:31] <ogra> JaneW, as soon as i'm not allowed to code anymore ;)
[01:31] <jsgotangco> hold one gimme a minute i gotta go downsstairs
[01:31] <ogra> read: after feature freeze :)
[01:31] <flint> mhz, nice doc page.  I would like to get together with you about a documentation hack I kinda have in mind...
[01:31] <JaneW> did everybody see what the outcome of the Drupal/Moin decision was? We are going with Drupal.
[01:31] <Yagisan> mhz: he means update and check documentation
[01:31] <JaneW> ogra: heh, ok fair enough :)
[01:32] <JaneW> ogra: at 'pens down'
[01:32] <ogra> :)
[01:32] <mhz> flint: okis, let's discuss it with jsgotangco and see if we can do it
[01:32] <mhz> Yagisan: oh, hi there. Got it thx
[01:33] <mhz> JaneW: yeah, I saw it :( snif, but ok
[01:33] <Yagisan> mhz: srry - was late @ work
[01:33] <flint> highvoltage, regarding documentation, I actually proofread every one of the 150 pages of the original tuxlab doc.  It is not a bad piece of work.
[01:34] <flint> ogra, is the original tuxlab doc on the distro somewhere?
[01:34] <ogra> nop
[01:34] <flint> ogra, the damn thing is not that big.
[01:34] <mhz> flint: highvoltage: it is an excellent piece of work
[01:34] <highvoltage> mhz: flint: wow. thanks!
[01:35] <flint> JaneW, the hack is that we spruce up jonathan's prose, and stick in on the distro in html with a link off the default firefox page...
[01:35] <JaneW> flint: it;s on the wiki
[01:35] <pips1> how are general ubuntu features that are important to a school lab with edubuntu doing? e.g. 
[01:35] <highvoltage> i wanted to talk about that
[01:35] <pips1> network-authentication
[01:35] <flint> JaneW, that is not as good for the user as having it when they need it, at install time when the net is not working.
[01:36] <highvoltage> what's the chance that we can have some links at the top of that html page?
[01:36] <JaneW> flint: after the amount of time that has been spent on turning into an Edubuntu cookbook it seems silly to go back to the original a third time...
[01:36] <ogra> pips1, deferred
[01:36] <highvoltage> there's no links to the local schooltool installation, currently.
[01:36] <pips1> network-magic
[01:36] <pips1> ?
[01:36] <jsgotangco> :D
[01:36] <highvoltage> can we have it in FF as bookmarks at least or something?
[01:36] <pips1> ogra, oh, that's a shame, that was one of my favorites
[01:36] <ogra> pips1, partially included (network-manager is on the CD but not preinstalled)
[01:36] <jsgotangco> mhz: i'm already done with screenshots
[01:36] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes I think we should have some relevant book marks
[01:37] <ogra> highvoltage++
[01:37] <flint> JaneW, the tuxlab stuff was never on the distro.  if it could fit, i say put it up, Kevin Cole, what do you think?
[01:37] <mhz> jsgotangco: yup, I remember you mentioned that to me, hence it is already ticked ;)
[01:37] <JaneW> kevin is not here
[01:37] <highvoltage> ogra: what did I do to deserve that? :)
[01:37] <JaneW> flint: we always wanted to customise the cookbook first
[01:37] <ogra> highvoltage, schooltoll links :)
[01:38] <jsgotangco> mhz: can we work on the TOC and layout later if you're not doing anything after this
[01:38] <flint> JaneW, you are facing a deadline... the cooks cannot make.
[01:38] <highvoltage> ah
[01:38] <mhz> flint: +1
[01:38] <JaneW> flint: have they said so? They haven't told me they can't make it...
[01:38] <mhz> JaneW: at least as a "complementary alternative"
[01:38] <jsgotangco> i don't think they can make it
[01:39] <JaneW> flint: plus I have asked them for weeks and wekks to aim for 'good enough' as a base
[01:39] <spacey> whats the deadline?
[01:39] <flint> JaneW, this should not be that hard a command decision.  The deadline is tomorrow, they are on their way to Pycon.
[01:39] <JaneW> we can always improve on something that's done
[01:39] <ogra> spacey, documentation freeze
[01:39] <spacey> thats not tomorrow right
[01:39] <ogra> yup
[01:39] <highvoltage> JaneW: well said
[01:39] <jsgotangco> tommorow is feature freeze
[01:39] <JaneW> flint: FEATURE FREEZE is tomorrow
[01:39] <mhz> jsgotangco: I am going to the doctor and then I have 3 meetings. I'll be home tonite at 01:00 UTC
[01:39] <flint> fair enough when is doc freeze?
[01:39] <jsgotangco> mhz: ok i
[01:39] <JaneW> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule
[01:39] <jsgotangco> mhz: ok i'll chug something in the wiki
[01:40] <mhz> jsgotangco: but, yes, i guess it is time we meet again
[01:40] <JaneW>  March 23rd
[01:40] <JaneW> 	DocumentationStringFreeze 
[01:40] <JaneW> 1 month
[01:40] <jsgotangco> i'll finish my g-a-i stuff first won't take a lot
[01:40] <mhz> jsgotangco: and yes, I can spend 10 munites for a quick meeting after this one
[01:40] <highvoltage> g-a-i?
[01:40] <flint> JaneW, fair enough, march 23rd.  they can make it by then.
[01:40] <ogra> highvoltage, the last item in your menu ;)
[01:40] <spacey> cookbook is not really documenationstring
[01:40] <JaneW> flint: exactly
[01:40] <ogra> gnome-app-install
[01:41] <highvoltage> aaaaah
[01:41] <JaneW> we have been trying to get the Cookbook going since July August last year...
[01:41] <flint> JaneW, what I really want is that the documentation be on the CD and be linked at the default firefox page so you do not have to look for it.
[01:42] <JaneW> to me first goal is to get the damn thing DONE, and then we can decide what to do with it
[01:42] <flint> JaneW, elkner and the boys only got involved in November 2006.
[01:42] <JaneW> flint: that would be nice yes
[01:42] <pips1> what are the educational applications that are running on the server by default? schooltool? moodle?
[01:42] <jsgotangco> lol that's like hmmm 10 months to go
[01:42] <JaneW> flint: I am not directing my anger at them at all. jsgotangco tried valiantly before that...
[01:42] <ogra> schooltool only ...
[01:42] <highvoltage> pips1: you mean the web based stuff?
[01:42] <pips1> highvoltage, yes
[01:43] <flint> ogra, ollie, jane said the link off the firefox default page would be nice, is it possible?
[01:43] <ogra> moodle never went to main ...
[01:43] <jsgotangco> i was the only guy who started it and i did good progress i'd say :P
[01:43] <pips1> ogra, i see
[01:43] <flint> JaneW, you really look beautiful when you are angry :^)
[01:43] <JaneW> flint: thing is we could point to it from the wiki in the about docs if necessary
[01:43] <ogra> i also excluded postgresql from the default install, i notices users tend to prefer mysql ... so its up to them to choose
[01:43] <highvoltage> flint: with words like thay, you'll just make her more beautiful :)
[01:44] <flint> JaneW, you look truly radiant when you are bitter...
[01:44] <JaneW> jsgotangco: indeed, plus you did the other docs so I am grateful
[01:44] <flint> :^)
[01:44] <jsgotangco> hmm new kernel
[01:44] <flint> JaneW, what I am after is that the docs be available even if you do not have connectivity.
[01:45] <pips1> ogra, so what non-web non-ltsp servers are runnung by default?
[01:45] <pips1> mysql ... and ...?
[01:45] <ogra> samba ... 
[01:45] <ogra> no mysql
[01:45] <pips1> ah
[01:45] <pips1> ok
[01:45] <highvoltage> samba runs by default?
[01:45] <ogra> no database preinstalled, as i said above
[01:45] <ogra> highvoltage, yes, but also with the default locked down config ...
[01:45] <flint> ogra, samba is cool, lets not forget that you are running nfs by gosh!
[01:45] <JaneW> flint: agreed, but once again it is a timing thing, the sooner we get a product, the more we can do with it. If we can get a simple doc out as a first draft that would be great. We can add more graphics and better pics of RS etc etc afterwards...
[01:46] <ogra> flint, samba is for windows integration ...
[01:46] <Yagisan> pips1: also tftp, dhcp
[01:46] <highvoltage> oh, btw
[01:46] <flint> JaneW, I want to motivate the boys by saying that "here is the hole your stuff must fill by 3/23"
[01:46] <ogra> Yagisan, yes, the ltsp dedicated things
[01:47] <flint> ogra, na, windows is just a passing fad, it will never catch on... :^)
[01:47] <Yagisan> ogra: of course. I just try to be complete
[01:47] <JaneW> I think questions are how large will it bem and how much space do we have available?
[01:47] <spacey> oh btw, should the cookbook actually explain how things work or just say like click here and there 
[01:47] <spacey> ?
[01:48] <flint> ogra, it is fine as homage to the past however :^)
[01:48] <pips1> Yagisan, ogran, thanks for your infos :-)
[01:48] <pips1> groa 
[01:48] <pips1> ogra
[01:48] <pips1> sorry :-)
[01:48] <flint> pips1, you forgot arog...
[01:48] <pips1> hehe
[01:48] <ogra> hehe
[01:48] <jsgotangco> spacey: the orginal cookbook used LTSP with an RH distro i believe
[01:48] <jsgotangco> i might be wrong
[01:48] <jsgotangco> its been a while since i read it
[01:49] <flint> pips1, you should have seen what I did to jonathan's name... :^)
[01:49] <spacey> yeah but how much explaination should it give
[01:49] <pips1> flint, missed that :-(
[01:49] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: IIRC you are correct
[01:49] <jsgotangco> and our LTSP is designed differently 
[01:50] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: the original cookbook used K12-LTSP, then Ubuntu + LTSP.org
[01:50] <jsgotangco> there
[01:50] <flint> spacey, if you are referring to the default documentation page in firefox, it should be a default whale of documentation.
[01:50] <spacey> flint: i'm not
[01:51] <flint> highvoltage, how big was the tuxlab doc in html?  maybe 3 megs with the damn pictures (absolutely optional btw)
[01:51] <spacey> i'm just asking in which way the cookbook should be written. Like we have these services which do.. etc. or just say the commands to enter/what to click.
[01:51] <highvoltage> flint: something like that. and a lot of those pics aren't needed, anyway
[01:51] <highvoltage> (like the RMS or Linus ones)
[01:52] <flint> spacey, I am less concerned witht he content right now and more concerned with where the user finds it.
[01:52] <highvoltage> spacey: in my experience it helps to keep things as simple as possible in docs
[01:52] <flint> ogra, you got a spare 5 megs on the install?
[01:52] <jsgotangco> meh
[01:52] <spacey> well i think there should at least be enough information to understand what your doing a bit, and the pieces fall together (possibly)
[01:53] <flint> highvoltage, jonathan your words made the tuxlab book.  be proud.
[01:53] <ogra> flint, not sure ... we're pretty much out of space, as always
[01:53] <flint> highvoltage, the fact that you did not date the artist is a mystery best left to history. :^)
[01:54] <flint> ogra, aw ollie just a few megs?
[01:54] <highvoltage> flint: perhaps she dated someone else at TSF at that stage ;)
[01:54] <highvoltage> for just text without images it should be less than 300k
[01:54] <flint> highvoltage, gotta get you out of the computer room more often...
[01:54] <ogra> flint, i cant tell unless i tried ... i need to make a edubuntu-docs package anyway today ...
[01:54] <highvoltage> ogra: may i help there?
[01:55] <JaneW> ** 5 mins
[01:55] <flint> ogra, what should i do send you a slimmed down tuxlab so you can see if you can fit it in?
[01:55] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm getting the hang of .deb packages. it seems it's easier than I always made it out to be.
[01:55] <ogra> highvoltage, its 3 commands and editing a few lines in the rules file to make an empty package, not really exciting :)
[01:55] <Yagisan> flint: sure, we'll just dump, um - how about edubuntu-desktop for space ? seriously it can't fit.
[01:56] <flint> JaneW, let jonathan send a debian, could ollie link it to the default url for firefox?
[01:56] <JaneW> flint: are you in contact with kjcole and jelkner atm?
[01:56] <flint> Yagisan, harsh, but we could just go to icewm or dsl :^)
[01:56] <ogra> flint, i'm not yet sure if i like the idea to ship tuxlabs ltsp 4.1 documentation ... some stuff will break heavily if you use it
[01:56] <JaneW> flint: we *need* to know if/when they are going to be able to finish - else we'll need to look at considering a Plan B option
[01:57] <flint> JaneW, the position here is that this represents the "box" their documentation must fit in if it is to be clickable from the default firefox page.
[01:57] <JaneW> flint: I am still hoping they can pull it off, since they had good ideas and invested a lot in it
[01:57] <highvoltage> ogra: can i still do it!
[01:57] <ogra> flint, but jsgotangco has the start of a quickguide and we have still 4 weeks ... so that might be finishable in time ...
[01:58] <flint> JaneW, if (wnen) they do then their deathless prose replace the tuxlab book. and get the default click off of firefox.
[01:58] <JaneW> flint: I don't see the point, we were looking at possibly printing the book and making it a .pdf etc etc, so why is this suddenly a concern?
[01:59] <flint> JaneW, the book part is fine.  while playing with edubuntu in the lab I noticed that if you have no network connectivity you have no easy access to any guidance, which is when you need it.
[01:59] <flint> JaneW, jonathan does a serviceable job of a network troubleshooting guide in the tuxlab book.
[01:59] <ogra> flint, if we ship such a link in edubuntu, we must make sure the webpage is there the next 5 years ....
[02:00] <ogra> at least in dapper ...
[02:00] <flint> JaneW, maybe these are two separate documentation pieces, i do not know...
[02:00] <JaneW> ogra: 3
[02:00] <mhz> ogra: ooooh, good point (5 years!)
[02:00] <ogra> JaneW, classroom*server*
[02:00] <highvoltage> yes, so no switching from drupal for the next 5 years!
[02:00] <flint> ogra, exactly.  this is internal get it running documentation for the server and workstation install.
[02:01] <JaneW> ogra: ah, yes good point
[02:01] <JaneW> highvoltage: heh
[02:01] <flint> highvoltage, jonathan this is a simple html page clickable from firefox.  i care not for the moin drupal issue in this case.
[02:01] <mhz> highvoltage: 5 years too?
[02:01] <mhz> :(
[02:02] <mhz> :D
[02:02] <pips1> highvoltage, had to laugh about that!
[02:02] <flint> ogra, how much space for onboard documentation?
[02:02] <ogra> flint, see above
[02:02] <JaneW> ok our time is up
[02:02] <jsgotangco> cool
[02:02] <JaneW> meeting over
[02:02] <flint> ogra, it is not a web page, it is just html that loads as a default.. 
[02:03] <jsgotangco> ciao
[02:03] <flint> JaneW, thanks for the excellent meeting. 
[02:03] <JaneW> OM
[02:04] <flint> ogra, you going back to #edubuntu?
[02:04] <ogra> i'm always in #edubuntu :)
[02:04] <pips1> see you at #edubuntu
[02:04] <flint> ogra, i do not get what you mean by "classroom*server*" just want clarification.
[02:05] <ogra> flint, 5 years support instead of 3
[02:06] <flint> ogra, so what you are saying is that anything on that disk has to stand the test of five years of technical change.   That is a long damn time.
[02:06] <ogra> yes
[02:07] <flint> ogra, this is why the whole moin-moin / drupal thing is not a fight I have a dog in.  Who knows who the winner of this would be.
[02:07] <mhz> Thx guys for a lovely meeting
[02:07] <jsgotangco> yes really productive
[02:07] <jsgotangco> we should have more of this stuff next week
[02:08] <flint> I believe that in the Lifecycle you are contemplating HTML ver 1 will still be readable.  
[02:09] <pips1> flint, xhtml1-strict should be, too 
[02:10] <pips1> flint, I was missing you in our shoot out session ;-) 
[05:23] <lguerra> Hi, someone can tell me were i read logs to Edubuntu meeting at this morning? in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ not appear this
[05:24] <ogra> lguerra, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[05:24] <lguerra> ogra, tks
[09:00] <Riddell> shall we have a kubuntu meeting?
[09:00] <Lure> sure
[09:01] <Riddell> all iteams on agenda are from Hobbsee, but she's not here
[09:02] <jpatrick> damn timezones
[09:03] <Pygi> ah well :P
[09:03] <[Nirvana] > jpatrick: there was that link on the meeting page though... still... I had to rush home from school (it's starts at 3 EST)
[09:04] <apachelogger> very quite for a meeting?!
[09:04] <Nirvana> we're not all here
[09:04] <jpatrick> where's raphink ?
[09:04] <Riddell> 20:01 < Riddell> all iteams on agenda are from Hobbsee, but she's not here
[09:04] <Riddell> so if anyone has any other business, go ahead
[09:04] <raphink> oh thanks for poking me jpatrick 
[09:04] <raphink> :)
[09:05] <jpatrick> you said you wanted to talk before FF
[09:05] <raphink> jpatrick: yeah, but I think it was mostly about allee's and Tonio's stuff
[09:05] <raphink> it seems tonio is not here tonight though
[09:05] <raphink> I'll try to call him
[09:05] <Riddell> we have moodin and keep in, I'll be reviewing Tonio's kubuntu-default-settings tomorrow and uploading
[09:06] <jpatrick> probably got cut off again
[09:06] <jpatrick> what about knemo?
[09:06] <Riddell> I'll look at that tomorrow along with kubuntu-default-settings
[09:06] <Riddell> i.e. does it work out of the box
[09:06] <apachelogger> jpatrick: you think his isp tries to stop kubuntu's progress?
[09:07] <Lure> what about font DPI and reduced font sizes?
[09:07] <allee> kubuntu-default-settings miss a entry so one gets not prompted to create an index (does not work due to htdig missing)
[09:07] <Riddell> Lure: I'll be reducing the font sizes along with  kubuntu-default-settings tomorrow :)
[09:07] <Riddell> allee: interesting point
[09:08] <Lure> Riddell: just KDE defaults or also individual apps (Konsole, Konversation...)?
[09:08] <Riddell> Lure: kde font sizes affect all apps
[09:08] <Lure> most, not all - quite some apps have own font setting 
[09:09] <Lure> for example, Konversation is at 11pt
[09:09] <jpatrick> in the chat window?
[09:10] <Riddell> Lure: 11 is the current default (in kdeglobals)
[09:10] <allee> Lure: konversation adapts to kde defaults 
[09:10] <Lure> OK, then fine - I know when I wanted to reduce defaults, I had to change quite some manually
[09:11] <allee> Btw. is the tabs at top of konversation and konsole set in stone?  Did anyone from usability comment on pro/con of it
[09:11] <[Nirvana] > I know I proposed this last meeting, but is it still all right to debate the regeneration of K menu on KDE upgrade issue?
[09:12] <[Nirvana] > * I was at a school meeting if anyone was wondering *
[09:12] <Riddell> allee: it's not set in stone, but I think anyone can argue either way and be quite valid, it's mostly personal preference 
[09:12] <allee> Big plus of down is that 'interesteing things in konsole, konversation is happening at the buttom.  So having tabs there reduces need to move mouse/eyes
[09:12] <Riddell> [Nirvana] : what's the issue
[09:12] <[Nirvana] > can I C/P it from what I wrote?
[09:12] <Lure> I would agreed with allee - similar for Kopete (as it will be tabbed by default now)
[09:12] <Riddell> [Nirvana] : sure
[09:13] <[Nirvana] > it's the third bullet on this page (under Agenda): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings/16-02-06
[09:13] <allee> This is different form e.g. konqueror where there is not prefered location in a web page/ file listing.  So better keep tabs at top, next to the other action ake toolbars and menus
[09:13] <Riddell> allee: exacely, and the argument the other way is consistency with konqueror
[09:14] <allee> allee: I argue that those are two different kinds of apps that deserve a different layout
[09:14] <[Nirvana] > also, what was the posistion on the klickibunti idea?
[09:14] <Riddell> [Nirvana] : you'll have to tell us what the "cool Settings feature under Actions" is
[09:14] <allee> Riddell: I agree consistency is very important, but work flow  and the way you use apps is it too
[09:15] <Riddell> [Nirvana] : ask amu about klickibunti, I think he just needs someone to code it (put a web wrapper on his scripts) and test it
[09:15] <[Nirvana] > Riddell: One sec, will post screenie
[09:16] <[Nirvana] > I only have what it looks like now... not a before/after screenie btw :(
[09:17] <[Nirvana] > OK, screenie: http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kmenu9nw.png
[09:18] <[Nirvana] > Settings, and System Menu are NOT there when you upgrade from 3.4 to 3.5(.1)
[09:19] <[Nirvana] > what I did was delete all kde settings and re-install kubuntu-desktop (with 3.5.1) 
[09:19] <Riddell> [Nirvana] : those were deliberately removed to avoid duplication
[09:20] <Riddell> I can't remember how they were removed, might have been a patch to kicker, else a settings in kubuntu-default-settings
[09:20] <Riddell> but Settings is already in System Settings or KControl and System Menu is on kicker by default
[09:21] <[Nirvana] > ahh, I just thought it was easier to use this way, in my opinion
[09:22] <Riddell> might be the Extensions= option in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kickerrc
[09:22] <Riddell> yes, it is
[09:22] <Riddell> any other business?
[09:23] <Riddell> groovy, I'll go and do the dishes then
[09:23] <[Nirvana] > hehe
[09:26] <raphink> sorry I was on the phone with tonio
[09:27] <raphink> he can't make it this time either but has two things to say
[09:27] <jpatrick> Riddell's gone....
[09:27] <jpatrick> but fire away!
[09:27] <raphink> jpatrick: so where are we now? or is the meeting over already?
[09:28] <jpatrick> well, he went to do the dishes
[09:28] <raphink> hmm ok
[09:28] <raphink> is there actually a meeting? Like is there someone taking notes to make a report and so on?
[09:29] <raphink> hmmpf doesn't seem so
[09:29] <jpatrick> what did he have to say?
[09:29] <raphink> ok well two things
[09:29] <[Nirvana] > spit it out raphink!!! lol :P
[09:29] <raphink> the first one is about the default graphic program in KDE
[09:29] <raphink> right now we have krita as default
[09:30] <jpatrick> oh goodie
[09:30] <raphink> krita is very complex, although complete too
[09:30] <raphink> most people don't want to use krita for basic stuff
[09:30] <[Nirvana] > krita is hard to use
[09:30] <raphink> koloupaint is much more simple
[09:30] <raphink> easier to use 
[09:30] <raphink> kolourpaint sorry
[09:30] <raphink> and kolourpaint is already in main
[09:30] <raphink> so it might be a good idea to have it as default instead of krita
[09:30] <jpatrick> but Krita's like Photoshop
[09:31] <raphink> so most users don't have to figure out about layers and so on
[09:31] <raphink> when they only want to draw a square or a circle
[09:31] <raphink> graphic designers can install krita, but most users don't want it
[09:31] <allee> raphink: when/where is krita (as default) called automaticly?
[09:31] <raphink> allee: ?
[09:32] <raphink> allee: I'm not talking for myself, but reporting for Tonio since he couldn't make it, so I'm not prepared to questions ;)
[09:32] <allee> raphink: other way round.  What do you mean with default
[09:32] <Riddell> krita is there to match gimp in ubuntu
[09:32] <raphink> allee: krita is installed in the default profile it seems
[09:32] <[Nirvana] > true, there was another one, on DSLinux... like xpaint or something, he gave it good praises (and he doesn't even know that his computer is running linux, I told him it was Win95, because it is an intell 166)
[09:32] <Riddell> krita in SVN is looking really nice in terms of usability improvements
[09:32] <raphink> Riddell: yes, and we believe this is not what it should be, unless our users are graphic designers
[09:33] <raphink> Riddell: the point is that most basic users want to draw circles and squares
[09:33] <raphink> not having to deal with layers, filters, etc.
[09:33] <Riddell> then use openoffice
[09:33] <allee> ahh, kolourpaint is not in kubuntu-desktop.  
[09:34] <raphink> open-office is too heavy for simple stuff
[09:34] <raphink> allee: yes that's it
[09:34] <allee> yes, rest of the familie used kolourpaint
[09:34] <Lure> raphink: so suggestion is to replace krita or to add kolourpaint?
[09:34] <raphink> so that's Tonio's proposal to have kolourpaint installed by default
[09:34] <allee> so depending on target audience  kolourpaint is too less, or krita too much
[09:35] <raphink> Lure: yes, either
[09:35] <Lure> I think Krita should be installed by default as it is great app
[09:35] <Lure> but dummy paint is also fine with me ;-)
[09:35] <raphink> some might complain about redondance
[09:36] <raphink> but I don't think krita and kolourpaint are redundant
[09:36] <raphink> they don't really do the same thing
[09:36] <allee> if krita or kolourpoint depends on audience. the are not the same
[09:36] <raphink> yes
[09:36] <raphink> so what are opinions ?
[09:36] <raphink> 1) keep it with krita only 
[09:36] <raphink> 2) replace krita with kolourpaint
[09:37] <raphink> or 
[09:37] <raphink> 3) get both 
[09:37] <raphink> what do you think?
[09:37] <Riddell> 1
[09:37] <[Nirvana] > Maybe they can both be packaged. Kolourpaint can be dubbed "basic image manipulation program" or "basic image editor" so users will know the difference.
[09:37] <jpatrick> 1++
[09:37] <raphink> 3
[09:37] <Lure> 1 (personally), but also fine with 3
[09:37] <[Nirvana] > 3
[09:37] <allee> 3) -- because we should serve both  newbies and experts
[09:38] <Riddell> 3 is not an option, that's against the whole single CD idea
[09:38] <raphink> Riddell: ok
[09:38] <raphink> then I'm for 2
[09:38] <raphink> if 3 is no option
[09:38] <allee> Riddell: then whom do we want to serve first?  newbies or exports?
[09:38] <[Nirvana] > 2 for me too, though 3 would be a blessing
[09:39] <allee> experts know now to install stuff,  newbies don't
[09:39] <Riddell> as I say krita is improving well in terms of usability (although that won't be in dapper)
[09:39] <raphink> allee: with the single CD, I want to serve newbies for sure
[09:39] <allee> so then my vote would be 2) only add kolourpaint
[09:39] <raphink> Riddell: a program that has layers, filters and such is not suitable for any newbie imo, however easy to use it claims to be
[09:39] <allee> s/add/deliver Kolourpoint/
[09:40] <raphink> I don't want my mom, sister of girlfriend to both about technical design stuff
[09:40] <raphink> s/both/bother/
[09:40] <allee> + kids
[09:40] <raphink> allee: hehe yes
[09:41] <raphink> so ok let's remove 3) since ti's not an option
[09:41] <raphink> so 
[09:41] <raphink> 1) keep only krita
[09:41] <toma_> does ubuntu ship gimp by default?
[09:41] <raphink> 2) get only kolourpaint
[09:41] <raphink> I vote 2
[09:41] <Riddell> toma_: yes (although it's the first thing to remove on space constraints)
[09:42] <raphink> toma_: I'm nto sure actually
[09:42] <raphink> I remember having to install gimp 
[09:42] <allee> 2 me too
[09:42] <[Nirvana] > I vote 2
[09:42] <raphink> I installed ubuntu not long ago on a few machines and I remember gimp was not installed
[09:42] <toma_> then i would vote 1. you dont have to use layers
[09:42] <raphink> bye [Nirvana]  
[09:43] <raphink> jpatrick: ?
[09:43] <allee> toma_: but they clutter interface.  krita is not useable by 'familie' or grandma Muriel ;)
[09:43] <jpatrick> 2++
[09:44] <raphink> allee: oh you've got a grandma Muriel?
[09:44] <toma_> allee: then krita has changed a lot, i admit im not up-to-date.
[09:44] <raphink> krita is aimed to replace photoshop 
[09:44] <raphink> or gimp
[09:45] <toma_> allee: but i hate really limited apps, last time i saw kolourpaint i was less then impressed. I could not do the simple things as i wanted
[09:45] <jpatrick> If we have KOffice in Dapper+1, then we'll have Krita then
[09:45] <raphink> toma_: most people on windows pirate photoshop and use paint
[09:46] <Lure> jpatrick: that is potentially good point
[09:46] <allee> It's it somehow possible to add a 'Krita (install)' menu ?  (ditto for koffice)
[09:46] <toma_> allee: isnt edubuntu for your kids?
[09:46] <raphink> toma_: no it's for schools
[09:46] <jpatrick> toma_: something I was going say
[09:46] <raphink> toma_: edubuntu is not aimed at children
[09:46] <allee> edubuntu does much more
[09:47] <raphink> not directly at least
[09:47] <toma_> ok
[09:47] <raphink> imo
[09:47] <raphink> anyway, there's no rush on this, but Tonio wanted to point this out
[09:48] <Lure> should we replace krita with kcolourpaint+digikam ;-)
[09:48] <Lure> I am sure everybody has digital photos these days...
[09:48] <raphink> digikam has nothing to do with it
[09:48] <allee> Again: would it be an option to somehow make it 'trival' to install apps that should be there but didn't fit on CD?
[09:48] <allee> candidates: krita, koffice, ..???
[09:48] <raphink> allee: mornfall is working on this
[09:49] <allee> raphink: great!
[09:49] <raphink> allee: making a new adept stuff that will do as the simple installer for ubuntu
[09:49] <jpatrick> allee: koffice will get openoffice out
[09:49] <raphink> there has been snapshots last week I think
[09:49] <raphink> jpatrick: not so far ;)
[09:50] <raphink> ok anyway
[09:50] <raphink> that's about it
[09:50] <raphink> ;)
[09:50] <allee> jpatrick: _when_ we move to koffice.  It should be very easy to add openoffice, even for newbies
[09:51] <raphink> jpatrick, Riddell : Tonio also said he needs MOTUs to review netswitch/knetswitch (so either of you+me or something like this)
[09:51] <toma_> isn't koffice comparable with kolourpaint as krita is with openoffice?
[09:51] <jpatrick> yeah, I could
[09:52] <raphink> toma_: ??
[09:52] <Riddell> raphink: I've revu'ed it, go ahead
[09:52] <raphink> toma_: you mean if koffice is to ooo what kolourpaint is to krita?
[09:53] <raphink> Riddell: well that's it
[09:53] <allee> lets postpone the koffice debat to dapper +1
[09:53] <raphink> I think Tonio would like knetswitch to be in Kubuntu by default ideally
[09:53] <raphink> but I doubt this is possible right now
[09:53] <toma_> it seems inconsitent to me to choose for kolourpaint+openoffice, i would expect kolourpaint+koffice and krita+openofffice for users who want more
[09:53] <Riddell> raphink: I don't think it's ready
[09:53] <raphink> yes
[09:54] <Riddell> raphink: there's user inteface issues, but also I've had it freeze on me
[09:54] <raphink> but there's nothing else that is
[09:54] <raphink> and the fact is that many people use wifi
[09:54] <raphink> and there's no kde tool for it that is good enough
[09:54] <Riddell> until knetworkmanager
[09:55] <raphink> which is not to happen for now
[09:55] <raphink> I mean we haven't seen it so far
[09:55] <allee> yeah, network management is bit of a mess.
[09:55] <Riddell> no, it needs a CVS network-manager
[09:56] <allee> Riddell: will it be possible to backport knetworkmanager to dapper?  If yes, it may not make sense to invest energy in new tools for dapper that are better replace by something else
[09:57] <allee> (the 'else' is knetworkmanager)
[09:57] <jpatrick> raphink: are you uploading?
[09:57] <raphink> uploading what jpatrick ?
[09:57] <Riddell> allee: no, it can't be backported
[09:58] <jpatrick> netswitch/knetswitch
[09:58] <allee> argl :(
[09:58] <allee> So
[09:58] <allee> a) keep the status as in breezy
[09:58] <raphink> jpatrick: no
[09:58] <raphink> jpatrick: not yet
[09:58] <allee> b) try to add *netswitch working before release
[09:58] <raphink> jpatrick: but I can do it
[09:58] <allee> more?
[09:58] <jpatrick> raphink: I'm doing netswitch
[09:59] <raphink> the fact is that the netswitch developers have basically redone the whole program in a week for us
[09:59] <raphink> as Tonio asked them to modify some stuff
[09:59] <raphink> they've been improving and programming it again for Dapper
[10:00] <raphink> so we kind of owe them a good place for their work ;)
[10:00] <raphink> they even developed knetswitch so it could be included in Kubuntu before FF
[10:01] <allee> I assume we can request addition to main later (when we know it's ready for default use)
[10:01] <allee> +?
[10:01] <raphink> sure
[10:02] <raphink> I'm sure after the work they've done for us they're ready to make it better 
[10:02] <raphink> fix bugs and so on
[10:02] <raphink> :)
[10:02] <raphink> ok well no reaction
[10:02] <raphink> anyway, the idea is to get it in universe for now
[10:03] <raphink> and we'll see how it goes
[10:03] <raphink> any other point to be talked about?
[10:03] <allee> raphink: sounds good.  I can offer some time in this field.  But if upstream is actively involved there maybe no need
[10:04] <jpatrick> netswitch uploaded
[10:04] <raphink> yes
[10:04] <raphink> tonio knows about this
[10:04] <raphink> ok :)
[10:04] <raphink> good :)
[10:05] <allee> end?
[10:05] <raphink> I guess
[10:05] <raphink> who is leading the meeting?
[10:05] <jpatrick> you
[10:05] <raphink> hahaha
[10:05] <raphink> no, I came late, can't be ;)
[10:06] <raphink> ok well if no one has anything to say, then the meeting is over
[10:06] <raphink> :)
[10:06] <raphink> hmm 
[10:06] <jpatrick> unless Hobbsee pops out right now
[10:06] <raphink> we just have to plan next one
[10:06] <raphink> I guess in two or three weeks
[10:07] <jpatrick> same time
[10:07] <Riddell> I'm busy in two weeks
[10:07] <raphink> sure
[10:07] <raphink> ok
[10:07] <raphink> three weeks?
[10:07] <raphink> the 15th of march
[10:07] <raphink> is that fine?
[10:08] <jpatrick> yep
[10:08] <raphink> allee, Riddell ?
[10:08] <allee> isn't this too late?
[10:08] <allee> I mean ..
[10:08] <raphink> not for me at least
[10:08] <jpatrick> please note that the Kubuntu devs are evening people
[10:09] <allee> shouldn't hte next meetng be some kind of status and todo before release.  to assign open points
[10:09] <Riddell> fine for me
[10:09] <allee> jpatrick: late in sense far away
[10:09] <allee> so 3 weeks are too far away
[10:10] <raphink> hmm
[10:10] <raphink> well riddell is busy in 2 weeks
[10:10] <raphink> and 1 week is too early
[10:10] <raphink> since our main goal in the near future will be to fix bugs
[10:10] <raphink> so there won't be much to talk about in a week I think
[10:10] <jpatrick> write docs
[10:11] <allee> well, let Riddell fix the date.  I assume only him knows the big picture and where more work & coordination is needed
[10:11] <raphink> yes, too
[10:11] <toma_> a bit ot, but i've a bit time left, if you need some simple hack or app for kubuntu, let me know. 
[10:11] <raphink> sure
[10:11] <raphink> toma_: bugfixing?
[10:11] <allee> toma_: -d switch for media2path please
[10:11] <toma_> allee: duck
[10:12] <toma_> raphink: fixing is ok, hunting not
[10:12] <jpatrick> toma_: https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+assignedbugs
[10:12] <Riddell> toma_: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/langpacks-desktopfiles-kde  :)
[10:12] <raphink> sure
[10:12] <Riddell> March 15th is fine
[10:12] <raphink> Riddell: ok
[10:12] <raphink> then we go for the 15th
[10:13] <raphink> 20UTC
[10:13] <allee> raphink: yes
[10:13] <raphink> right?
[10:13] <jpatrick> fine with me
[10:13] <Riddell> yes
[10:13] <raphink> good :)
[10:13] <toma_> thnx for the pointers, will read them
[10:13] <raphink> meeting is over then :)
[10:13] <raphink> :)
[10:14] <jpatrick> who's doing mintues?
[10:14] <raphink> hehe good question :)
[10:14] <jpatrick> suppose it's me
[10:14] <raphink> you did it very weel last time jpatrick :D
[10:15] <raphink> thanks jpatrick 
[10:15] <toma_> allee: please do, i lost track of what you wanted, you seemed confused back then
[10:15] <toma_> (or send a mail)
[10:15] <allee> -d return path to device (not mountpoint as returned by default)
[10:16] <toma_> like in /dev/sda1 ?
[10:16] <allee> toma_: I've send mail to ubuntu-motu to get rsibreak in.  No response yet
[10:17] <allee> yes.
[10:17] <toma_> i saw that, thanks for taking the time to write that message. 
[10:17] <toma_> allee: ok, i'll look into it.
[10:18] <allee> toma_: I have to go now. there a debian user meeting downtown today.  So I can't do anything to push rsibreak before midnight
[10:18] <toma_> ok
[10:19] <allee> bye all!  Maybe I here again after midnight. Maybe not :)
[10:20] <toma_> have fun
[11:03] <kwwii> hi all
[11:41] <kwwii> guess I missed it
[11:41] <kwwii> bye all